Mark Carney LOST the election last night
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In this special Good Friday edition of the podcast, host Jordan Peterson is joined by Wyatt Claypool, founder of the National Telegraph and host of the YouTube channel The National Telegraph, to discuss the Canadian election debate.
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Mark Carney has three passports, Canada, United Kingdom, Ireland, a globalist with options.
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He hasn't seen Canada in a decade, calls himself a European, not a Canadian.
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Told U.S. Congress last year, he's a Brit, he's back to lord over you.
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Yes, we will get to the shenanigans, the complete and utter breakdown of the legacy media, of the debates commission,
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cancelling the scrum to try to stop, I think, try to stop Kian Bextie from asking another devastating question of Mark Carney,
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or maybe trying to stop Alex Dalton from doing the same.
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I'm very pleased to be joined by a great new guest.
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I've never had him on the show today, but I'm quite excited.
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He's a political commentator and founder of the National Telegraph.
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He's a very smart person, so very pleased to have him on the show.
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I would want to be doing nothing else but analyzing the debate for the next 24 hours,
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even if it is Good Friday, because, I don't know, I'd live for it.
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I'd crawl the walls if I tried to do anything else.
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Well, I feel that way, too, although I am trying to give my children, like, a religious education,
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and I think Good Friday is supposed to be the most somber day of our Christian year,
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and so I try to use this day to teach them and, obviously, to go to church and all that kind of thing.
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But I just, I couldn't not record a show today, just given what happened last night,
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and I do think it will have an impact on the election.
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I think that Pierre Polyev may have saved his campaign last night.
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I think he may have won the election last night.
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I don't want to be too overconfident because this tends to happen with conservative commentators.
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I don't always vote conservative, but I will be this time.
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I think Pierre Polyev absolutely knocked it out of the park.
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I don't think that he's run a perfect campaign.
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I don't think he's run, I'm not one of those people that say, like, he's run a flawless campaign.
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I'll talk about them after the campaign ends, but last night I think he redeemed himself.
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He looked prime ministerial, and he did what he needed to do.
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I'm curious, what were your takeaways and what were your thoughts on the debate, Wyatt?
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Well, first off, it actually did confirm something I had said about the French debate the previous night,
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that Polyev, I gave him, if we're giving letter grades, I gave him a B- in the French debate.
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He didn't come off abrasive like the media tries to paint him,
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so he would have just, you know, proven people wrong in Quebec that he's this abrasive Trump-like figure.
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He had some good answers, had a couple good jabs, but it wasn't brilliant.
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And I thought he was saving himself for the English debate.
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Why telegraph a bunch of your best attacks in French that Marc Carney and the liberal crew can then write up good answers for,
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Because the conservatives don't have that much to gain.
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They don't have that many seats they could win in Quebec.
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They can really just hold on to their incumbents and maybe grab up a Montreal suburb or Mount Royal,
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This debate, Pierre Polyev may want to lock up murderers for the rest of their lives,
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but he committed a murder on stage of Marc Carney.
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And I'm not trying to be, like, a cheerleader here.
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To this night, he basically did everything he needed to do.
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He would wallop Carney, and then he'd go back to looking, like, right down the barrel of the camera,
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and then turn into positive Pierre, and that I have a positive vision for the country,
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I know some people are even saying he should have gone more aggressive.
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No, he was perfect with his amount of aggression because he needed to snake it always back into
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I have a positive vision so that he doesn't play into the unfair media narrative again
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that he is an abrasive, pugilistic, Trump-like figure who you cannot vote for
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You know, I agree because I think that what the liberal plan was, what the strategy was,
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was to paint Pierre Polyev as mini-Trump, as Canada-Trump.
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And from a fair-minded view of a fair-minded Canadian watching that debate, there was just no comparison.
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Like, you cannot watch Pierre Polyev and see any comparison to Trump.
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And I think that that line of argument was just absolutely eviscerated last night.
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Like, you could see that Polyev's strategy, especially towards the end, was to try to tie Mark Carney to Justin Trudeau
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and try to say this is just a continuation of Trudeau's government.
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That was the comparison that really stuck and really stood out.
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I didn't even hear them trying to compare him to Trump.
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I feel like the Trump angle of this election has become moot.
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It's no longer the driving issue of the campaign.
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It was hardly even really the focus of the debate last night.
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I thought that the Liberals and the NDP were going to really go hard on President Trump.
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But you could see after two hours on stage, the focus of the debate, as it rightly should have been,
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and I give the moderator, Steve Pakin, a great deal of credit for this.
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It was on life in Canada, on the issues of the day-to-day issues for everyday Canadians, cost of living, housing, crime, even immigration.
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Those are the important issues of our country, and that was the focus.
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And so any kind of line of argument to say that the Conservatives are like Trump, it just didn't work and it fell flat.
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So, Wyatt, I want to show we put together a little montage of what I thought were the highlights of the debate.
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It's a bit on the longer side. It's three and a half minutes, but we are going to see the highs and the lows.
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I would say that most of the lows were around Jagmeet Singh and his annoying habit of just interrupting everybody nonstop.
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But I also, I think from this montage, you can see how Polyev was shining his confidence.
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And you can see Mark Carney was just sort of flat, sort of stale, boring, dry.
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I don't know if they were trying to make him come across as just like a boring person.
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Like, you want the Prime Minister to be boring, especially after nine years of Justin Trudeau.
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So, let's play this clip, and if at any point you want to pause it, just let us know and we will pause it and talk about it.
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You claim to be very different from Mr. Trudeau.
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Now, the point is to show that you are any better than Mr. Trudeau.
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The no-new development law, C-69, guarantees there will not be a one-stop shop because it requires the government of Canada to actually duplicate the same project.
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Have one-stop shop over any energy development.
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Mr. Trudeau, we just got to let him finish the sentence.
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It takes now 17 years to get a major project approved in this country.
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In the entire G7, we cannot afford a fourth liberal term.
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Keystone, which is the pipeline which has helped to increase oil and gas exports by 50% in this country, that is an asset of the people of Canada.
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And the question of what to do is, so it's not a subsidy that has disappeared, it's actually an asset of Canada.
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Mr. Carney, Justin Trudeau's staffers are actually here with you at this debate in Montreal, writing the talking points that you are regurgitating into the microphone.
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How can we possibly believe that you are any different than the previous 10 years of liberal government?
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That was the moment in the debate where Mark Carney directs permanently.
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25 seconds left in this segment for you to respond to that.
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What have you negotiated but fiscal paradises in Bermudas or Cayman Islands?
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You have to prove something and you have to reveal what you own in those companies if you want people to believe you.
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Since you've had the opportunity to get your top secret security clearance and you've refused, why?
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Well, first of all, I have got my security clearance when I was a minister.
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I got top secret clearance at the time, so there's no problem getting that.
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But when the government made this recent offer, they said that if I got the secret security clearance briefings,
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that I would be gagged under the security law and I could be prosecuted if I spoke freely about matters of foreign interference.
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Now, given that Canada has experienced Chinese interference by Beijing, the government of China,
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in two consecutive elections, I needed to do my job to speak freely without fear of prosecution.
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And that was not something I would be allowed to do.
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Even Thomas Mulcair, the former leader of the NDP, said that when he was the leader of the opposition,
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he never would have accepted the kind of gag order that your government and Mr. Trudeau's government was attempting to impose on me.
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And it's good that I'd made that decision because it has allowed me to speak freely.
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At all my rallies, even when they're really big, I would stand in front of a flag and greet every single person
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and hear their stories and learn their struggles.
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And that was always touching to me, that they would put their faith in me or in any of us.
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But we've been in such a rush because we have to get off to the next event, so we haven't been able to stop and do that.
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And I want you to know, out there, I haven't forgotten about you.
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So those were, I thought, the key moments of the debate.
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Even then, we had to be pretty selective with what we played because you could just, frankly,
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watch every single response Pierre Pauly have had, especially when directed at Mark Carney,
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Mark Carney there, and I really, really liked Pauly's attack on him for all of the liberal staffers
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who are just holdovers from Justin Trudeau to him,
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that Mark Carney literally does not have a different government than Justin Trudeau in any way, shape, or form.
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Even the people that are writing scripts for him are the exact same.
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That was the moment, I think, that Mark Carney's debate basically wrecked hard permanently.
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Even in that clip, if people go back and they listen to it, you can literally hear Yves-Francois Blanchet saying,
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oh, oh, ouch, that's bad, because he's on hot mic reacting to how, like, just nasty of an attack that is.
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And again, every time Mark Carney would start getting attacked by Pierre Pauly,
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he would just look like such a sourpuss for the next couple of minutes.
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Like, he'd start gripping the podium really hard, looking down his notes,
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or just looking forward like he's some disappointed lizard.
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Some say the bubbles in an aero truffle piece can take 34 seconds to melt in your mouth.
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Sometimes the very amount you're stuck at the same red light.
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Mark Carney's answers did not give any confidence to the soft liberal supporters
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that the liberal party is currently relying on.
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Now, I think many of the pollsters have a problem oversampling urban liberal areas,
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but even when you pull liberal supporters and conservative supporters
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on how likely they are to show up and vote for their chosen party,
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conservatives are at, like, an 80% rating for confidence,
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whereas liberals only had around 63%, 65% saying they're definitely voting liberal.
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There is a large chunk of liberals who, watching that debate,
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they may have, you know, had things confirmed about Mark Carney
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that were making them not super confident to show up,
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Like, I sometimes do wonder, like, how much of an impact do these debates really have?
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We were talking about this before we went to air,
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that I think the debates were scheduled way too late in the election cycle.
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I think that we're talking about the final week here,
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we're going into the long weekend, the Easter long weekend,
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and I'm not sure how much these debates will really move the needle.
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I think it would have been more helpful to have the debates
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at the beginning of the campaign so people could see the clips,
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they could think about it, it could inform their decision early on
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But your point about how, you know, conservatives are reliable voters,
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and the people who vote conservative are really fired up about it,
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and I think that Pierre Polyev represents certainly the best candidate
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that the conservatives have had in the last decade.
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You could even argue that he is more conservative than Stephen Harper.
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And I think that there is a lot of excitement around him,
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whereas Mark Carney, it's hard to get excited about him.
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He comes across as just very out of touch and very flat.
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Like, I really thought he was low energy last night.
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He just didn't really have the fire in his belly that Pierre Polyev had.
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I have been hearing from people around the GTA that have been campaigning
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for the conservatives saying that it's rough out there,
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like that when you go door knocking, it seems like a lot of people in and around,
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especially the 905, are going to be voting based on the Trump tariff issue.
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That didn't really seem to be the central issue of the debate last night.
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To me, it seems like that moment is over, that the news cycles have moved on,
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and that Trump is not front and center in the campaign anymore.
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As much as Mark Carney tries to make it, like, I don't know if you noticed this last night, Wyatt,
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but Mark Carney used the word crisis about 100 times.
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Fundamentally, we need to catalyze this crisis in Canada.
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And it's like, that was like the one thing that he was coached on.
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When Canadians are in fear, when they're nervous, when they're afraid,
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And so that was like his one thing that he kept going back to.
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I think that there is a cost of living crisis in Canada.
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And I think that that can very plainly be drawn to the Liberals.
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And so I guess I just want to know, like, do you think that this debate will have an impact?
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It definitely will, because people, when they think about, did this debate matter,
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they're wondering if it's going to be kind of a cavalry charge moment where the Conservatives
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go from being at 39% in the polls, they overtake the Liberals, and they hit 52.
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The Conservatives need, in my estimation, if they can beat the Liberals in the popular vote
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by a point and a half or so, they have a minority government.
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The Conservative Vote Act over the past four years has actually become more efficient than
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it used to be, because it used to be a very regional party, where in Alberta you would
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win rural ridings by Saddam Hussein numbers, you get 89% of the vote, but in the GTA you're
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dropping ridings and you're only getting, you know, 25%, and the Liberals are able to pull
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I think that in this election, the Liberals have actually gained vote in places like Saskatchewan
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and in Alberta, especially with, you know, not to stereotype, but with older boomer voters
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who watch a lot of legacy media and don't like Donald Trump very much, but the Liberals
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are also gaining a lot of votes in places that they just don't need it or it's not useful
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Cool, Montreal was already the reddest place on the planet.
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And then you go to Saskatchewan, and when, yeah, the Liberals have gained votes, and maybe
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Whereas the Conservatives, their gains that they've made have mostly been in working-class
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So the Conservatives could potentially, obviously, lose this election, or they could win big,
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winning Hamilton ridings they never thought they were going to get, winning the southwest
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of Ontario, sweeping it, winning actually ridings in the Ottawa area.
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I've been door-knocking in the Ottawa area, and there was a chance to win Nepean.
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I was in a few polls in Canada yesterday, and I would say the sign ratio between the
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Conservative candidate, Greg Kung, and the Liberal, Jenna Suds, is like two to one or
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One thing I heard you say on your YouTube channel, Wyatt, was that you thought that from
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these debates, and particularly the French one, that you saw what could potentially be
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Something along the lines of, you know, Jagmeet Singh is obviously there for the Liberals,
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But that you potentially saw that Blanchett and Pierre Poliev could form a minority coalition
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So the reason why the Bloc Québécois and the Conservatives would go well together almost
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On many issues, the Bloc are to the left of both the Liberals and the NDP.
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They're quite to the left when it comes to issues around business taxes and equalization
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The way that they define Quebec culture tends to be very left.
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At the same time, the problem is the Bloc Québécois' long-term survival as a party relies
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If the Bloc Québécois upholds the Liberals again, they'll run into the same problems that
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Jagmeet Singh and the NDP currently have, where what's the point of voting for you if
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I can get the same thing by just voting for the Liberals, and they usually have a better
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So the Bloc need to effectively box the Liberals into the Montreal area and hold the
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onto all those semi-rural suburban ridings in the Montreal kind of a donut.
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If they don't, well, the Bloc are going to be back in the woods like they were in 2011
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And I can see that there is more overlap when it comes to the policy issues, particularly
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I saw that there was, like, both Yves Blanchet and Pierre Polyev were hitting Mark Carney on
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And I think that there could be some commonalities there.
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It would be interesting if Polyev formed a minority government and actually teamed up with
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I think that that might, you know, blow up some minds on the prairies to try to understand
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OK, let's move to the juicy stuff that happened at the debate last night.
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And so as folks know, after the French debate, our own Kian Bexty and Alex Sultan managed to
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And they asked two of the four questions to Prime Minister Mark Carney.
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And wow, did those clips of those questions ever go viral, overtook the Internet.
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And what we saw was basically a huge reaction from the legacy media.
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They could feel their monopoly over the news and what they think to be arbiters of the truth.
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And so what you saw during the day yesterday before the debate was the CBC basically trying
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Here is David Cochran on his show with the debates commissioner basically complaining and saying,
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how could you let non-government approved, basically, journalists get out there and ask
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I actually thought the debates commissioner did quite a good job here defending press freedom
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Kind of wild that you have a CBC interview like this.
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Like, you know, Rebel News got as many questions as I think CBC, Radio Canada, Press Canadian
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And some of them ventured into territory that really are not issues in this election campaign,
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And I'm not saying reporters should be restricted in terms of what they ask.
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But, you know, if the debate commission is going to organize these things, it didn't
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Well, we're learning from what happened last night.
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And you'll see, hopefully, a fair representation tonight.
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Like, I remember vividly at the museum in Gatineau that the same sort of thing happened
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with people stacking the microphones and the questions is going in a totally different direction.
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Well, there's only so much we can do to control free speech, you know.
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I just thought, you know, lifeguards got to look after the pool, right?
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And, you know, the debate commission was set up for this.
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And people are now calling for it to be completely scrapped because of what we saw last night.
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I just wonder if you think there's a loss of public trust in the function of this organization.
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I think the public will judge us on the debates themselves.
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So you could see that they were setting it up to say that these people shouldn't be here.
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And we knew, I knew, I predicted this, that they were going to try to pull something.
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I thought that they were going to try to remove our credentials or something that we'd have to go
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Again, like we did in 2019, the reason that True North, Juno News, and the Rebel are allowed
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in the first place is because we sued and we won.
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So anyway, let's fast forward to the event itself.
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And they're sort of getting ready for their part when they get to scrum the leaders afterwards.
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Like, I was doing a live broadcast, so I couldn't really pay attention to this stuff.
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I just kept getting these clips being sent in by our reporters.
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Here we have, this is a bit on the longer time.
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He overheard Kian talking about the question that he was going to ask to Mark Carney tonight.
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He took major issue with that, defending a liberal candidate who had said some really
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awful things on social media that Kian was able to get a hold of.
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Anyway, then the Hill Times reporter turns his ear at Ezra LeVance, which is yelling.
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Ezra, this is sort of just like unhinged behavior behind the scenes.
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I have respect for the industry and the profession.
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Rebel News, owned by Ezra LeVance, is a different company.
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Well, I want to make sure the guys filming it over there get the good audio.
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Because you're clearly not doing any actual journalism while you're here.
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You're supposed to maintain respectful discourse.
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When you guys started gaming the rules and threatening to sue because you didn't get your way,
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He has third-party advertising trucks driving around this venue right now.
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The truck is for Canada, which is owned by you.
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Which is separate from Rebel News, which is also owned by you.
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So, you know, basically, it was just chaos back there.
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And this one reporter is just yelling at Kian, yelling at Ezra, can't really control his emotions,
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saying, well, you guys game the system, and therefore, I don't have to follow the rules anymore.
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And so I'm not sure why, if it was that kind of escalation of emotions,
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or it was just simply because of the questions that we asked last night.
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But shortly after that exchange that we just showed,
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the debates commissioner came out in front of the journalists
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I'm Michel Camus, the executive director of the Leaders of the States Commission.
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And I'm sorry to announce that there will be no scrum tonight with the leaders
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because we don't feel that we can actually guarantee a proper environment for this activity.
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The press room will be open until 11, so you can finish filing.
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If you're not in this message, you're not in this message.
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And so they would rather cancel the entire scrum
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than have to worry about the question that Alex Sulton and Kian Bextie
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I see this as entirely the old guard protecting themselves, right?
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They didn't want to be embarrassed again by having independent journalists
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ask better questions, ask more interesting questions, and really dominate.
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And I think that what happened after the French debate
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was that independent media showed, we proved, that we are here to stay.
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Our clips got way more views than anything else.
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I think that our clips probably eclipsed the number of views of the entire French debate.
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They couldn't allow the legacy media to lose their grip,
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and they couldn't allow Mark Carney to be humiliated once again by a question.
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So they just had to eliminate the entire thing.
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Well, it was a vote of non-confidence in Mark Carney's debate performance.
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If it was just the fact that they didn't like your guys' questions about Mark Carney
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did pretty well in the debate, I think they would have let him proceed to the Q&A.
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It was the combination of the fact that they hate your guys' guts,
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that they couldn't have the humiliation continue,
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both for Mark Carney and the legacy media being boxed out by the independent media.
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And I like how they're pretending like you're gaming the system by, you know,
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showing up, being on time, standing in line at the microphones.
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There's like 150 of them in the room, and there's about, you know, 15 independent media people.
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Well, what makes it so difficult for them to do what you guys are doing?
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The thing is that they don't like that the independent media has invaded the Friends Club.
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Because the Friends Club, oh, you can take a question, then I'll take a question.
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How about we both, like, ask Jagmeet Singh about the same stupid thing about climate change?
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So, like, these people would think it's clownish that Alex Sultan got up there
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and asked his question about gender, but it's a good question.
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It seems, oh, it's not on the topic of the debate.
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Yeah, but it's something that people like Mark Carney have been dodging for years.
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He sent his daughter to the Tavistock Institute.
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It bears asking the question if he actually lives in material reality when it comes to gender.
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Well, and the fact that they asked Pierre Polyev, like, in January, a reporter for CP24
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asked Pierre Polyev if he thought there were two genders, right?
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And last year, in February, after Danielle Smith announced her ban on these life-altering medications
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and surgeries, sex change surgeries for children, they asked Pierre Polyev, they scrummed him.
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Every member of what you call the Friends Club were pressing him, rightfully so.
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It's their job as journalists trying to find out where he stood on this issue,
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So we have to do the job that they refused to do.
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And so, again, like, they believe that we are right-wing.
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You know, the talking points that have come out from the media today is that we are right-wing agitators
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and that we are conservative and that we have an agenda and that we're trying to raise money.
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But the reality is that we're simply doing the job that they refuse to do.
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We are, like, the mirror image of the legacy media.
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They come out with bad faith questions against Pierre Polyev all the time.
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But the way that they see us is the same way that millions of Canadians view them.
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So the shenanigans continued because outside of the event, well, first of all, we had a liberal
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staffer assaulting David Menzies of the Rebel on camera.
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You can see very clearly that he knocks the camera out of the journalist's hand and he
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Let's play that clip and I'll get your reaction.
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Look, that is not the attitude of a winning campaign.
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Like, if you were feeling good about your candidate, that was Mark Carney's media person
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He hit David Menzies quite clearly twice there on that tape.
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Those people are flailing out of control because they know they're losing their grip on
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the narrative, on the media, and they know that their candidate had a very bad night.
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And it only had to do with Mark Carney having a bad night that he was acting like that.
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Because if he had a good night and the Q&A got canceled, hey, it's Mark Carney's birthday
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because he wants to have a good debate and not be asked any questions about it afterwards,
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unless it's from, like, you know, Katie Simpson or somebody like Stuart Benson from the Hill
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Times. So he was only raging because of the bad debate performance.
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And it's like, hey, guys, number one rule of politics, don't make, don't show what you're
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thinking, like, through your emotions. Do not do that because it's going to be very easy to
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exploit it. The conservatives are going to just keep drilling on these debate clips.
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They're probably going to turn them into advertisements, as they should.
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There are so many people who don't actually watch the debate live like we were talking about
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before, but they consume them through clips. So when we see abacus data coming out and saying
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that, like, 47% of people who watched the whole debate thought Polly have won, fantastic.
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That means if you can get more people to watch the debate clips, they'll eventually come to the
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same conclusion, which it's pretty difficult to get people to agree that the conservative
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won a debate because since Canada has so many lefty parties, there's a lot of other people
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who might say, oh, Jagme Singh won, or I think Carney won because I'm voting for him.
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So you can get nearly 50% of people to say he won. That's pretty big.
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I completely agree. And even the CBC had to admit that the conservatives and Pierre Polly have
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won the debate. Here is a clip of the Ad Issues panel where Andrew Coyne admits that Pierre
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I think Pierre Polly ever made some yards. I think he had a good night. He looked focused.
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He was confident. He was fluent. He presented his case well. He was not just a critic, but also
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outlining his own plan. So I think by the normal standards of how you judge these debates,
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And I do agree with Andrew that Pierre Polly have had a good night.
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His goal was to sound more prime ministerial and look less like an attack dog that we've
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come to know in the House of Commons. And I do think that he succeeded in that.
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Wow. That feels good. What do you think, Wyatt?
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Oh, especially coming from Chantal Hubert, who has made it her life's work to never say
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something nice about Polly. I remember early on when Polly had first become the conservative
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party leader, because I have to bring this up. She wrote an article like a month after
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he became leader. It's like, see, look at his approval polling. He's not very well liked.
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He's going to be like a terrible conservative leader. They should go back to O'Toole.
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It's like, tell us you want the liberals to win. Just tell us. It's just sad. And Andrew
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Coyne, too. He was the main person I saw online yesterday raging about Rebel News and the True
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North Wire service and Juno News being at the debate. I don't know if Andrew Coyne even considers
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himself a conservative anymore. The man is somebody who I guess would, he considers himself conservative
00:32:55.420
because he wants to conserve leftist institutions and orthodoxies. He would be one of the people saying,
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don't break up the Soviet Union in Russia in the 1990s because we've had it for a very long time.
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I think that's probably right. I don't think that, it's interesting because I think people
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who, like for me, I used to read Andrew Coyne when I was in university and he was one of the people that
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helped inform my view in becoming a conservative in the first place. And so I think of him as someone
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on the political right, which makes me even more disappointed to hear his takes night in and night
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out. But it's interesting because my young staff, like my staffers who are in their 20s and like the
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Gen Z cohort, they don't connect him with the right at all. They just consider him like a hard left
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Justin Trudeau fan boy in the Globe and Mail and on CBC. And so it's interesting that you said that
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he's conservative because I don't think that people even put him in that category anymore.
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And it's an attitudinal conservatism. It's again that, well, we should preserve our institutions.
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So if the CBC has been around for a very long time, well, we should keep the CBC funding going on.
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And I call him what I call some people. He is an aesthetic moderate. He doesn't like supporting
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people who sound outside of the normal, even if they're entirely right. I know that this actually
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happens with Donald Trump a lot, where you'll get kind of like the never Trump Republicans in the U.S.
00:34:18.620
who, in fact, actually agree with all of Trump's policies, but they don't like Trump because he's
00:34:22.820
not normal. And I see that with people. They're like, well, if you take a photo of, or if you take
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a video clip of Polly of talking, he seems very rambunctious and populist, and that's not normal.
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And then you cut to Mark Carney, and he's boring and consistent, which means that he's the conservative
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choice in the mind of someone like Andrew Coyne.
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It's interesting. We live in such a strange country where you have leftist conservatives,
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or like basically, yeah, people that they, if you want to conserve Canada's order, you are a leftist
00:34:51.140
because Canada's institutions and Canada's order. I mean, it's a country, sadly, the last 50 years
00:34:57.180
has been built around like socialism and hard left ideas. And so anyone trying to conserve that
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is actually on the left. I think that when it comes to Andrew Coyne, I think Donald Trump broke
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his brain. And when I just, when I see him, when I hear him, I, I think, I think he just like lost
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his ability to be insightful because he's so angry and full of rage. Even yesterday, like Stephen
00:35:18.240
Taylor, who's a conservative commentator shared a clip of him. I don't want to play it, but he
00:35:22.220
basically was predicting the death of independent media. He said that last night was the nail in the
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coffin for us. And then Taylor posted that on X and accurately quoted him. And then in the replies,
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Andrew Coyne was like raging and like accusing Stephen Taylor of working for Ezra. Like you took
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my quote out of context. How dare you? Like, anyway, just a very angry, bitter person. And I sort of,
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in some ways feel sorry for him. But I do think that last night, all those shenanigans were all based
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and rooted in the fact that they are trying to silence us. They could not handle the independent media
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out there running circles around the legacy media, asking real questions, getting more clicks and
00:36:02.700
more views. And our clips were going viral. And the, the, the whole, the whole episode was just them,
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like their last gasp, like raging against the changes happening in this country. The fact that
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the independent media is overtaking the legacy media in terms of relevancy and influence. And that was
00:36:20.520
just them like, like losing grip on their power. This will be the last election that the legacy media
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has an impact in my, in my estimation. Well, they were, they were upset that they weren't there to
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spin the, spin the debate exclusively. And if the conservatives win, and especially if the legacy
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media at least starts getting their subsidies reduced, you will see wall to wall columns about
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how independent media is what has turned Canada into a fascist state or whatever the narrative is
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going to be. Exactly. There is going to be independent media hysteria over the next two years about how
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independent media did all this to us, even as, you know, everything's fantastic potentially, because we
00:37:00.520
might have lower taxes. All these are like the most dour people you've ever met in your lives. Everything
00:37:05.160
could be sunny, warm birds chirping around them. And they'd be like, how can I survive this hellhole that I'm in
00:37:11.760
right now? Because we don't have Rosemary Barton on television 24 seven. It's so, it's so true. Although they
00:37:18.820
won't call us independent media, they'll call us extreme media and right wing media. And it's, it is
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like, they live in a different universe. I noticed that outside the debates yesterday, there was a
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feminist protest group that were wearing like handmaid's tail gowns, like as if we're going into
00:37:34.120
some kind of like a Christian fascism state. And I'm like, which, which party are they referring to?
00:37:38.860
Because last I checked all, like even the conservatives, it's, it's a very moderate centrist party that
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is left wing on social issues, more or less, especially on abortion. So it was just like,
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so out of touch. It's like, what, what are they talking about? It's like, are they reacting to
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the American election? Because yes, in the U S you know, Trump had a hand in over overturning Roe
00:37:57.560
versus Wade, which didn't ban abortion. It just put it back to the States. But it's like, it does feel
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like they're living in a fever dream. A lot of people like to live vicariously through American politics.
00:38:08.820
And when something interesting in Canada happens, I think these people get very excited because now I
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get to LARP as if I'm in a fascist state, even though that's not even what's happening in the
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U S at all. I've never seen a fascist cut the size of government in my life before.
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But anyways, with many of these people though, that's why like Polly did such a good job of the
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debate with the Trump question. He set the tone at the start that in fact, if you actually deeply
00:38:38.020
fear Donald Trump, you should be voting conservative because I'll make the country less weak and vulnerable
00:38:43.120
to the predations of the Americans. And now I don't think, I don't agree that that's what's even
00:38:48.740
going on. I disagree with tariff policies from Trump. At the same time, it's not like he's trying
00:38:53.700
to take over the country. The 54 state rhetoric is insane. But if that is your top issue, do you want
00:38:59.140
the people in who have been making the economy weaker per capita incomes going down, who have been
00:39:04.960
making sure that our military has been basically turned into a DEI HR department? Or do you want the
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people who are going to, you know, cut your taxes and actually, you know, arm up the military if you
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are deeply afraid that the Americans are going to run over the Montana border to start taking over
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Alberta? 100%. Well, I can't wait. I really hope this all happens. I hope that Polyev wins and then
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the media lose their minds and blame it on independent journalists. I can't wait for that. I'm here for it.
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And if that happens, it's going to be a fantastic two to four years.
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Good. Good for Juno News. So, all right, Wyatt, thanks so much for joining the show. I always
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appreciate the discussion. And folks, thank you so much for joining us. Have a wonderful and blessed
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Easter weekend. I hope you have some time to reflect on some gratitude and just, you know,
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our country is not perfect. But God has given us an amazing world and he's given us his son, which
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was sacrificed so that we could live eternally. So, thank you so much for joining the show. We'll
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be back again with the final week of the campaign next week. I'm Candace Malcolm. This is Candace