The Candice Malcolm Show - Mark Carney LOST the election last night

00:00:00.000 Mark Carney has three passports, Canada, United Kingdom, Ireland, a globalist with options.

00:00:10.700 He hasn't seen Canada in a decade, calls himself a European, not a Canadian.

00:00:20.300 Told U.S. Congress last year, he's a Brit, he's back to lord over you.

00:00:26.560 No, Canada's not his home, it's his throne.

00:00:56.560 Yes, we will get to the shenanigans, the complete and utter breakdown of the legacy media, of the debates commission,

00:01:04.060 cancelling the scrum to try to stop, I think, try to stop Kian Bextie from asking another devastating question of Mark Carney,

00:01:11.980 or maybe trying to stop Alex Dalton from doing the same.

00:01:14.540 So we're going to get to all of that today.

00:01:16.060 I'm very pleased to be joined by a great new guest.

00:01:18.920 I've never had him on the show today, but I'm quite excited.

00:01:21.060 His name is Wyatt Claypool.

00:01:22.580 He's a political commentator and founder of the National Telegraph.

00:01:26.220 He has a YouTube channel.

00:01:27.420 His videos are so insightful.

00:01:28.760 He's a very smart person, so very pleased to have him on the show.

00:01:32.120 Wyatt, thank you for joining us today.

00:01:34.820 Absolutely.

00:01:35.580 I would want to be doing nothing else but analyzing the debate for the next 24 hours,

00:01:40.480 even if it is Good Friday, because, I don't know, I'd live for it.

00:01:43.600 I'd crawl the walls if I tried to do anything else.

00:01:45.760 Well, I feel that way, too, although I am trying to give my children, like, a religious education,

00:01:52.320 and I think Good Friday is supposed to be the most somber day of our Christian year,

00:01:56.400 and so I try to use this day to teach them and, obviously, to go to church and all that kind of thing.

00:02:01.520 But I just, I couldn't not record a show today, just given what happened last night,

00:02:05.580 and I do think it will have an impact on the election.

00:02:08.440 I think that Pierre Polyev may have saved his campaign last night.

00:02:11.400 I think he may have won the election last night.

00:02:13.440 I don't want to be too overconfident because this tends to happen with conservative commentators.

00:02:17.840 Myself, I do lean conservative.

00:02:19.200 I do lean to the right.

00:02:20.000 I don't always vote conservative, but I will be this time.

00:02:22.940 I think Pierre Polyev absolutely knocked it out of the park.

00:02:26.140 That was the strongest that I have seen him.

00:02:28.320 I don't think that he's run a perfect campaign.

00:02:30.680 I don't think he's run, I'm not one of those people that say, like, he's run a flawless campaign.

00:02:34.000 I think he has made some errors and mistakes.

00:02:35.800 I won't dwell on them now.

00:02:36.640 I'll talk about them after the campaign ends, but last night I think he redeemed himself.

00:02:41.620 I think that he came out swinging.

00:02:44.440 He looked confident.

00:02:45.640 He looked poised.

00:02:46.640 He looked prime ministerial, and he did what he needed to do.

00:02:50.160 I'm curious, what were your takeaways and what were your thoughts on the debate, Wyatt?

00:02:54.400 Well, first off, it actually did confirm something I had said about the French debate the previous night,

00:03:00.160 that Polyev, I gave him, if we're giving letter grades, I gave him a B- in the French debate.

00:03:06.040 He didn't come off abrasive like the media tries to paint him,

00:03:08.880 so he would have just, you know, proven people wrong in Quebec that he's this abrasive Trump-like figure.

00:03:14.720 He had some good answers, had a couple good jabs, but it wasn't brilliant.

00:03:18.480 And I thought he was saving himself for the English debate.

00:03:21.280 Why telegraph a bunch of your best attacks in French that Marc Carney and the liberal crew can then write up good answers for,

00:03:28.180 for the, frankly, the real debate?

00:03:30.360 Because the conservatives don't have that much to gain.

00:03:32.560 They don't have that many seats they could win in Quebec.

00:03:35.580 They can really just hold on to their incumbents and maybe grab up a Montreal suburb or Mount Royal,

00:03:41.400 and that's pretty much it.

00:03:42.760 This debate, Pierre Polyev may want to lock up murderers for the rest of their lives,

00:03:49.280 but he committed a murder on stage of Marc Carney.

00:03:52.340 And I'm not trying to be, like, a cheerleader here.

00:03:56.000 I gave him a B- the previous night.

00:03:58.920 To this night, he basically did everything he needed to do.

00:04:03.120 He would wallop Carney, and then he'd go back to looking, like, right down the barrel of the camera,

00:04:08.460 and then turn into positive Pierre, and that I have a positive vision for the country,

00:04:13.520 and this is how we fix our problems.

00:04:14.760 It was very well handled.

00:04:16.560 I know some people are even saying he should have gone more aggressive.

00:04:19.940 No, he was perfect with his amount of aggression because he needed to snake it always back into

00:04:25.400 I have a positive vision so that he doesn't play into the unfair media narrative again

00:04:31.600 that he is an abrasive, pugilistic, Trump-like figure who you cannot vote for

00:04:37.360 if you believe in Canadian values or whatever.

00:04:39.780 You know, I agree because I think that what the liberal plan was, what the strategy was,

00:04:45.220 was to paint Pierre Polyev as mini-Trump, as Canada-Trump.

00:04:49.120 And from a fair-minded view of a fair-minded Canadian watching that debate, there was just no comparison.

00:04:55.800 Like, you cannot watch Pierre Polyev and see any comparison to Trump.

00:05:00.160 And I think that that line of argument was just absolutely eviscerated last night.

00:05:03.700 Like, they didn't even try, right?

00:05:05.040 Like, you could see that Polyev's strategy, especially towards the end, was to try to tie Mark Carney to Justin Trudeau

00:05:11.460 and try to say this is just a continuation of Trudeau's government.

00:05:14.840 He was an advisor.

00:05:15.940 He was there.

00:05:17.020 And this is a fourth liberal term.

00:05:19.080 That was the comparison that really stuck and really stood out.

00:05:22.680 I didn't even hear them trying to compare him to Trump.

00:05:25.060 I feel like the Trump angle of this election has become moot.

00:05:29.480 It's no longer relevant.

00:05:30.720 It's no longer the driving issue of the campaign.

00:05:34.260 It was hardly even really the focus of the debate last night.

00:05:37.380 I thought that the Liberals and the NDP were going to really go hard on President Trump.

00:05:42.740 We saw that a bit more in the French debate.

00:05:44.540 But you could see after two hours on stage, the focus of the debate, as it rightly should have been,

00:05:49.420 and I give the moderator, Steve Pakin, a great deal of credit for this.

00:05:52.700 It was on life in Canada, on the issues of the day-to-day issues for everyday Canadians, cost of living, housing, crime, even immigration.

00:06:01.000 Those are the important issues of our country, and that was the focus.

00:06:04.560 And so any kind of line of argument to say that the Conservatives are like Trump, it just didn't work and it fell flat.

00:06:10.760 So, Wyatt, I want to show we put together a little montage of what I thought were the highlights of the debate.

00:06:16.720 It's a bit on the longer side. It's three and a half minutes, but we are going to see the highs and the lows.

00:06:23.060 I would say that most of the lows were around Jagmeet Singh and his annoying habit of just interrupting everybody nonstop.

00:06:29.980 But I also, I think from this montage, you can see how Polyev was shining his confidence.

00:06:35.480 And you can see Mark Carney was just sort of flat, sort of stale, boring, dry.

00:06:40.500 I don't know if they were trying to make him come across as just like a boring person.

00:06:44.940 Like, you want the Prime Minister to be boring, especially after nine years of Justin Trudeau.

00:06:49.960 But I think that that is another takeaway.

00:06:51.980 So, let's play this clip, and if at any point you want to pause it, just let us know and we will pause it and talk about it.

00:06:59.480 So, let's play that clip.

00:07:00.840 You claim to be very different from Mr. Trudeau.

00:07:04.900 Now, the point is to show that you are any better than Mr. Trudeau.

00:07:08.840 The no-new development law, C-69, guarantees there will not be a one-stop shop because it requires the government of Canada to actually duplicate the same project.

00:07:21.380 Have no rules, have no regulation.

00:07:22.200 Have one-stop shop over any energy development.

00:07:25.400 Mr. Trudeau, we just got to let him finish the sentence.

00:07:26.460 That thing that is pollute.

00:07:27.100 Let's just let him finish the sentence.

00:07:28.180 It takes now 17 years to get a major project approved in this country.

00:07:36.540 In the entire G7, we cannot afford a fourth liberal term.

00:07:42.020 Keystone, which is the pipeline which has helped to increase oil and gas exports by 50% in this country, that is an asset of the people of Canada.

00:07:52.820 We own it.

00:07:53.320 Keystone is not owned by Canada.

00:07:56.140 That's an American pipeline.

00:07:58.240 And the question of what to do is, so it's not a subsidy that has disappeared, it's actually an asset of Canada.

00:08:02.100 Mr. Carney, Justin Trudeau's staffers are actually here with you at this debate in Montreal, writing the talking points that you are regurgitating into the microphone.

00:08:11.300 How can we possibly believe that you are any different than the previous 10 years of liberal government?

00:08:18.220 That was the moment in the debate where Mark Carney directs permanently.

00:08:23.400 25 seconds left in this segment for you to respond to that.

00:08:26.740 Look, I do my own talking points.

00:08:29.040 Thank you very much.

00:08:29.820 You say you are a great negotiator.

00:08:32.500 What have you negotiated but fiscal paradises in Bermudas or Cayman Islands?

00:08:38.060 You have to prove something and you have to reveal what you own in those companies if you want people to believe you.

00:08:46.180 Since you've had the opportunity to get your top secret security clearance and you've refused, why?

00:08:53.180 Well, first of all, I have got my security clearance when I was a minister.

00:08:58.720 I got top secret clearance at the time, so there's no problem getting that.

00:09:02.160 But when the government made this recent offer, they said that if I got the secret security clearance briefings,

00:09:09.120 that I would be gagged under the security law and I could be prosecuted if I spoke freely about matters of foreign interference.

00:09:17.820 Now, given that Canada has experienced Chinese interference by Beijing, the government of China,

00:09:25.480 in two consecutive elections, I needed to do my job to speak freely without fear of prosecution.

00:09:32.540 And that was not something I would be allowed to do.

00:09:34.840 Even Thomas Mulcair, the former leader of the NDP, said that when he was the leader of the opposition,

00:09:40.680 he never would have accepted the kind of gag order that your government and Mr. Trudeau's government was attempting to impose on me.

00:09:48.080 And it's good that I'd made that decision because it has allowed me to speak freely.

00:09:51.860 At all my rallies, even when they're really big, I would stand in front of a flag and greet every single person

00:09:57.320 and hear their stories and learn their struggles.

00:10:02.960 And that was always touching to me, that they would put their faith in me or in any of us.

00:10:07.820 But we've been in such a rush because we have to get off to the next event, so we haven't been able to stop and do that.

00:10:13.720 And I want you to know, out there, I haven't forgotten about you.

00:10:17.820 So those were, I thought, the key moments of the debate.

00:10:21.400 Wyatt, what did you think?

00:10:23.000 Even then, we had to be pretty selective with what we played because you could just, frankly,

00:10:27.640 watch every single response Pierre Pauly have had, especially when directed at Mark Carney,

00:10:32.160 and it could be considered a highlight.

00:10:33.960 Mark Carney there, and I really, really liked Pauly's attack on him for all of the liberal staffers

00:10:41.020 who are just holdovers from Justin Trudeau to him,

00:10:44.540 that Mark Carney literally does not have a different government than Justin Trudeau in any way, shape, or form.

00:10:50.140 Even the people that are writing scripts for him are the exact same.

00:10:53.660 That was the moment, I think, that Mark Carney's debate basically wrecked hard permanently.

00:10:59.080 Even in that clip, if people go back and they listen to it, you can literally hear Yves-Francois Blanchet saying,

00:11:05.140 oh, oh, ouch, that's bad, because he's on hot mic reacting to how, like, just nasty of an attack that is.

00:11:13.300 And again, every time Mark Carney would start getting attacked by Pierre Pauly, 0.66

00:11:17.080 he would just look like such a sourpuss for the next couple of minutes. 0.57

00:11:20.640 Like, he'd start gripping the podium really hard, looking down his notes, 0.96

00:11:24.620 or just looking forward like he's some disappointed lizard.

00:11:27.040 It was just...

00:11:29.040 Some say the bubbles in an aero truffle piece can take 34 seconds to melt in your mouth.

00:11:33.500 Sometimes the very amount you're stuck at the same red light.

00:11:36.860 Rich, creamy, chocolatey aero truffle.

00:11:40.000 Feel the aero bubbles melt.

00:11:42.040 It's mind bubbling.

00:11:44.100 The optics were bad.

00:11:45.880 Mark Carney's answers did not give any confidence to the soft liberal supporters

00:11:50.320 that the liberal party is currently relying on.

00:11:52.780 Now, I think many of the pollsters have a problem oversampling urban liberal areas,

00:11:58.000 but even when you pull liberal supporters and conservative supporters

00:12:01.600 on how likely they are to show up and vote for their chosen party,

00:12:05.920 conservatives are at, like, an 80% rating for confidence,

00:12:09.220 whereas liberals only had around 63%, 65% saying they're definitely voting liberal.

00:12:14.400 There is a large chunk of liberals who, watching that debate,

00:12:18.620 they may have, you know, had things confirmed about Mark Carney

00:12:23.160 that were making them not super confident to show up,

00:12:25.760 and now they might not at all.

00:12:27.700 Yeah, I think that's right.

00:12:29.160 Like, I sometimes do wonder, like, how much of an impact do these debates really have?

00:12:32.840 We were talking about this before we went to air,

00:12:34.760 that I think the debates were scheduled way too late in the election cycle.

00:12:38.600 I think that we're talking about the final week here,

00:12:40.780 we're going into the long weekend, the Easter long weekend,

00:12:43.300 and I'm not sure how much these debates will really move the needle.

00:12:46.900 I think it would have been more helpful to have the debates

00:12:49.180 at the beginning of the campaign so people could see the clips,

00:12:52.320 they could think about it, it could inform their decision early on

00:12:55.120 before they've really set their mind in stone.

00:12:58.020 But your point about how, you know, conservatives are reliable voters,

00:13:02.620 and the people who vote conservative are really fired up about it,

00:13:05.600 and I think that Pierre Polyev represents certainly the best candidate

00:13:09.020 that the conservatives have had in the last decade.

00:13:11.640 You could even argue that he is more conservative than Stephen Harper.

00:13:16.120 And I think that there is a lot of excitement around him,

00:13:19.320 whereas Mark Carney, it's hard to get excited about him.

00:13:22.080 He comes across as just very out of touch and very flat.

00:13:26.820 Like, I really thought he was low energy last night.

00:13:29.000 He was boring.

00:13:30.120 He just didn't really have the fire in his belly that Pierre Polyev had.

00:13:35.160 I have been hearing from people around the GTA that have been campaigning

00:13:39.580 for the conservatives saying that it's rough out there,

00:13:42.120 like that when you go door knocking, it seems like a lot of people in and around,

00:13:47.060 especially the 905, are going to be voting based on the Trump tariff issue.

00:13:53.100 That didn't really seem to be the central issue of the debate last night.

00:13:56.540 To me, it seems like that moment is over, that the news cycles have moved on,

00:14:01.480 and that Trump is not front and center in the campaign anymore.

00:14:04.740 As much as Mark Carney tries to make it, like, I don't know if you noticed this last night, Wyatt,

00:14:09.640 but Mark Carney used the word crisis about 100 times.

00:14:12.980 Like, everything was a crisis.

00:14:14.640 It was the tariff crisis, the climate crisis.

00:14:18.200 Fundamentally, we need to catalyze this crisis in Canada.

00:14:21.500 Right.

00:14:21.960 And it's like, that was like the one thing that he was coached on.

00:14:24.780 Like, just keep using the word crisis.

00:14:26.280 When Canadians are in fear, when they're nervous, when they're afraid,

00:14:29.600 that's when they're going to vote Liberal.

00:14:31.280 And so that was like his one thing that he kept going back to.

00:14:34.700 But it just didn't seem to work.

00:14:36.520 I don't think it broke through last night.

00:14:38.360 I think that there is a cost of living crisis in Canada.

00:14:41.800 And I think that that can very plainly be drawn to the Liberals.

00:14:45.980 And so I guess I just want to know, like, do you think that this debate will have an impact?

00:14:50.600 Will it move the needle?

00:14:51.300 And was it enough?

00:14:52.280 It definitely will, because people, when they think about, did this debate matter,

00:14:57.860 they're wondering if it's going to be kind of a cavalry charge moment where the Conservatives

00:15:02.740 go from being at 39% in the polls, they overtake the Liberals, and they hit 52.

00:15:08.800 Elections aren't won like that.

00:15:10.860 The Conservatives need, in my estimation, if they can beat the Liberals in the popular vote

00:15:15.240 by a point and a half or so, they have a minority government.

00:15:17.760 The Conservative Vote Act over the past four years has actually become more efficient than

00:15:21.940 it used to be, because it used to be a very regional party, where in Alberta you would

00:15:26.840 win rural ridings by Saddam Hussein numbers, you get 89% of the vote, but in the GTA you're

00:15:33.140 dropping ridings and you're only getting, you know, 25%, and the Liberals are able to pull

00:15:37.640 out 35% victories over you.

00:15:40.360 I think that in this election, the Liberals have actually gained vote in places like Saskatchewan

00:15:46.180 and in Alberta, especially with, you know, not to stereotype, but with older boomer voters

00:15:51.400 who watch a lot of legacy media and don't like Donald Trump very much, but the Liberals

00:15:55.700 are also gaining a lot of votes in places that they just don't need it or it's not useful

00:15:59.400 to them.

00:16:00.040 They're gaining votes in Montreal.

00:16:01.960 Cool, Montreal was already the reddest place on the planet.

00:16:04.900 And then you go to Saskatchewan, and when, yeah, the Liberals have gained votes, and maybe

00:16:10.060 they have a chance at one riding.

00:16:11.500 Whereas the Conservatives, their gains that they've made have mostly been in working-class

00:16:16.560 neighbourhoods all around the country.

00:16:18.720 So the Conservatives could potentially, obviously, lose this election, or they could win big,

00:16:24.100 winning Hamilton ridings they never thought they were going to get, winning the southwest

00:16:27.540 of Ontario, sweeping it, winning actually ridings in the Ottawa area.

00:16:33.740 I've been door-knocking in the Ottawa area, and there was a chance to win Nepean.

00:16:37.720 There's absolutely a chance to win Canada.

00:16:39.960 I was in a few polls in Canada yesterday, and I would say the sign ratio between the

00:16:45.220 Conservative candidate, Greg Kung, and the Liberal, Jenna Suds, is like two to one or

00:16:50.540 three to one.

00:16:51.720 Wow, that's interesting.

00:16:53.100 One thing I heard you say on your YouTube channel, Wyatt, was that you thought that from

00:16:58.240 these debates, and particularly the French one, that you saw what could potentially be

00:17:04.120 two different coalitions forming.

00:17:05.760 Something along the lines of, you know, Jagmeet Singh is obviously there for the Liberals,

00:17:10.620 and that's his purpose.

00:17:11.620 I don't know that he'll win his seat.

00:17:12.600 I kind of think his career is finished.

00:17:14.740 But that you potentially saw that Blanchett and Pierre Poliev could form a minority coalition

00:17:21.340 government together.

00:17:22.360 Did I get that right?

00:17:23.180 Is that what you said?

00:17:24.080 And tell us about that.

00:17:25.600 Yeah.

00:17:25.780 So the reason why the Bloc Québécois and the Conservatives would go well together almost

00:17:31.000 has nothing to do with ideology.

00:17:32.640 On many issues, the Bloc are to the left of both the Liberals and the NDP.

00:17:37.320 They're anti-nuclear energy.

00:17:39.260 They're quite to the left when it comes to issues around business taxes and equalization

00:17:44.660 and whatnot.

00:17:45.640 A very pro-equity type party.

00:17:47.980 The way that they define Quebec culture tends to be very left.

00:17:51.220 At the same time, the problem is the Bloc Québécois' long-term survival as a party relies

00:17:57.600 on the Liberals basically being defeated.

00:18:00.720 If the Bloc Québécois upholds the Liberals again, they'll run into the same problems that

00:18:05.480 Jagmeet Singh and the NDP currently have, where what's the point of voting for you if

00:18:09.920 I can get the same thing by just voting for the Liberals, and they usually have a better

00:18:13.500 chance of winning the election anyways.

00:18:15.680 So the Bloc need to effectively box the Liberals into the Montreal area and hold the

00:18:21.220 onto all those semi-rural suburban ridings in the Montreal kind of a donut.

00:18:27.300 If they don't, well, the Bloc are going to be back in the woods like they were in 2011 0.93

00:18:32.120 with Gilles Duceppe.

00:18:34.500 Interesting.

00:18:35.100 Yeah, that is interesting.

00:18:36.200 And I can see that there is more overlap when it comes to the policy issues, particularly

00:18:41.240 around immigration.

00:18:42.660 I saw that there was, like, both Yves Blanchet and Pierre Polyev were hitting Mark Carney on

00:18:48.920 the Century Initiative stuff.

00:18:50.320 We heard that in both debates.

00:18:51.580 And I think that there could be some commonalities there.

00:18:54.580 It would be interesting if Polyev formed a minority government and actually teamed up with

00:18:58.520 the Bloc. 0.52

00:18:58.880 I think that that might, you know, blow up some minds on the prairies to try to understand

00:19:03.920 that coalition.

00:19:04.680 But it might be interesting.

00:19:05.840 OK, let's move to the...

00:19:07.000 It's an old social credit alliance.

00:19:10.680 Yeah, I can see that.

00:19:11.940 OK, let's move to the juicy stuff that happened at the debate last night.

00:19:16.900 So this is all just a total sideshow. 0.63

00:19:19.060 It is so ridiculous, but it's really telling. 0.59

00:19:21.040 And so as folks know, after the French debate, our own Kian Bexty and Alex Sultan managed to 0.89

00:19:27.960 get at the front of the line.

00:19:29.000 And they asked two of the four questions to Prime Minister Mark Carney.

00:19:32.480 Their questions were good.

00:19:34.040 They were tough, but fair.

00:19:35.480 And wow, did those clips of those questions ever go viral, overtook the Internet.

00:19:40.440 And what we saw was basically a huge reaction from the legacy media.

00:19:44.760 They did not like it.

00:19:45.740 They were not happy.

00:19:46.880 They could feel their monopoly over the news and what they think to be arbiters of the truth.

00:19:51.820 They could feel that slipping away.

00:19:53.500 And so what you saw during the day yesterday before the debate was the CBC basically trying

00:19:58.400 to lobby to have us removed from the debates.

00:20:01.860 Here is David Cochran on his show with the debates commissioner basically complaining and saying,

00:20:08.720 how could you let non-government approved, basically, journalists get out there and ask

00:20:14.620 these questions?

00:20:15.540 I actually thought the debates commissioner did quite a good job here defending press freedom

00:20:20.120 in Canada.

00:20:21.140 Kind of wild that you have a CBC interview like this.

00:20:24.540 But anyway, let's play this clip.

00:20:25.700 Will they be able to do what they did?

00:20:27.280 Like, you know, Rebel News got as many questions as I think CBC, Radio Canada, Press Canadian

00:20:31.300 and CTV or Global combined last night.

00:20:33.740 There were almost 50 percent of the questions.

00:20:36.580 And some of them ventured into territory that really are not issues in this election campaign,

00:20:40.360 were not issues in that debate.

00:20:42.040 And I'm not saying reporters should be restricted in terms of what they ask.

00:20:45.080 But, you know, if the debate commission is going to organize these things, it didn't

00:20:49.140 seem to have control on it last night, sir.

00:20:52.620 Well, we're learning from what happened last night.

00:20:55.700 And you'll see, hopefully, a fair representation tonight.

00:21:00.300 But didn't the same thing happen in 2021?

00:21:02.880 Like, I remember vividly at the museum in Gatineau that the same sort of thing happened

00:21:08.500 with people stacking the microphones and the questions is going in a totally different direction.

00:21:12.720 Well, there's only so much we can do to control free speech, you know.

00:21:15.540 I understand that.

00:21:16.360 You understand that?

00:21:17.220 I just thought, you know, lifeguards got to look after the pool, right?

00:21:19.380 And, you know, the debate commission was set up for this.

00:21:22.560 And people are now calling for it to be completely scrapped because of what we saw last night.

00:21:26.400 I just wonder if you think there's a loss of public trust in the function of this organization.

00:21:32.200 I think the public will judge us on the debates themselves.

00:21:37.240 Yeah, OK.

00:21:37.660 So you could see that they were setting it up to say that these people shouldn't be here.

00:21:41.080 And we knew, I knew, I predicted this, that they were going to try to pull something.

00:21:44.060 I thought that they were going to try to remove our credentials or something that we'd have to go

00:21:47.220 to a federal court.

00:21:48.040 Again, like we did in 2019, the reason that True North, Juno News, and the Rebel are allowed

00:21:52.460 in the first place is because we sued and we won.

00:21:54.700 The federal court ruled in our favor.

00:21:56.360 So anyway, let's fast forward to the event itself.

00:21:59.480 And so the journalists are all in a room.

00:22:01.340 They're watching the debate on a screen.

00:22:03.420 And they're sort of getting ready for their part when they get to scrum the leaders afterwards.

00:22:08.280 And what unfolded was just pure chaos.

00:22:10.880 Like, I was doing a live broadcast, so I couldn't really pay attention to this stuff.

00:22:14.200 I just kept getting these clips being sent in by our reporters.

00:22:16.940 Like, you guys won't believe it.

00:22:17.960 This guy's having a temper tantrum.

00:22:19.640 Here we have, this is a bit on the longer time.

00:22:21.680 This is a reporter from the Hill Times.

00:22:23.520 And he's just not happy with Kian Bextie.

00:22:27.180 He overheard Kian talking about the question that he was going to ask to Mark Carney tonight.

00:22:31.500 He took major issue with that, defending a liberal candidate who had said some really

00:22:36.140 awful things on social media that Kian was able to get a hold of.

00:22:40.460 Anyway, then the Hill Times reporter turns his ear at Ezra LeVance, which is yelling.

00:22:46.000 Ezra, this is sort of just like unhinged behavior behind the scenes.

00:22:49.180 So let's play that clip, please.

00:22:50.800 I have respect for the industry and the profession.

00:22:53.460 Sure you do, yeah.

00:22:54.400 Your little chattering class.

00:22:56.380 Sure.

00:22:56.820 Third party advertisers that you work for.

00:22:59.240 Who are you?

00:22:59.880 Who do you work for?

00:23:01.220 Rebel News.

00:23:02.280 Who do you work for?

00:23:03.260 Rebel News, owned by Ezra LeVance, is a different company.

00:23:07.000 Why are you screaming?

00:23:08.260 So they can stop spreading misinformation.

00:23:10.160 Um, so.

00:23:12.760 Also, can you ask this question?

00:23:14.480 Why are you screaming, by the way?

00:23:16.820 Well, I want to make sure the guys filming it over there get the good audio.

00:23:20.080 Good.

00:23:20.800 Do you hear me okay?

00:23:22.580 Am I enunciating properly?

00:23:24.680 Do you want to put a level here, by the way?

00:23:26.460 Do you want, do you have one set up?

00:23:28.020 You got the levels ready for me?

00:23:29.900 Because you're clearly not doing any actual journalism while you're here.

00:23:32.680 You're supposed to maintain respectful discourse.

00:23:35.480 It's right here in black and white.

00:23:36.600 Why?

00:23:37.140 When you guys started gaming the rules and threatening to sue because you didn't get your way,

00:23:40.880 I assumed the rules were out the window.

00:23:42.980 He has third-party advertising trucks driving around this venue right now.

00:23:48.640 That's not a Rebel News ad on there.

00:23:50.760 You're lying.

00:23:51.500 Why are you lying?

00:23:52.820 It's owned by Rebel.

00:23:53.140 It's owned by you.

00:23:54.520 Oh, sorry, sorry.

00:23:55.540 The truck is for Canada, which is owned by you.

00:23:59.100 No, you're lying again.

00:23:59.460 Which is separate from Rebel News, which is also owned by you. 1.00

00:24:03.240 You're crazy. 0.99

00:24:03.680 You've got to control your emotions. 0.99

00:24:07.840 So, you know, basically, it was just chaos back there.

00:24:12.620 You know, it was a quiet room.

00:24:13.460 Everyone was trying to listen to the debate.

00:24:14.480 And this one reporter is just yelling at Kian, yelling at Ezra, can't really control his emotions,

00:24:20.940 saying, well, you guys game the system, and therefore, I don't have to follow the rules anymore.

00:24:25.700 And so I'm not sure why, if it was that kind of escalation of emotions,

00:24:30.180 or it was just simply because of the questions that we asked last night.

00:24:34.040 But shortly after that exchange that we just showed,

00:24:37.160 the debates commissioner came out in front of the journalists

00:24:40.380 and announced that, yes, the rumors are true.

00:24:42.840 The scrum has been canceled.

00:24:44.900 Let's play that clip.

00:24:46.120 I'm Michel Camus, the executive director of the Leaders of the States Commission.

00:24:50.800 And I'm sorry to announce that there will be no scrum tonight with the leaders

00:24:55.420 because we don't feel that we can actually guarantee a proper environment for this activity.

00:25:02.180 Hello, comme je vous le disais.

00:25:04.080 The press room will be open until 11, so you can finish filing.

00:25:09.900 And I invite you to call the campaign.

00:25:12.700 If you're not in this message, you're not in this message.

00:25:17.580 Is there a problem?

00:25:18.940 Yes.

00:25:19.700 That's why.

00:25:20.880 She deserves a problem. 1.00

00:25:21.960 That's fine.

00:25:22.980 And so they would rather cancel the entire scrum

00:25:28.560 than have to worry about the question that Alex Sulton and Kian Bextie

00:25:33.380 may ask and may get to Mark Carney.

00:25:35.880 I see this as entirely the old guard protecting themselves, right?

00:25:40.080 They didn't want to be outshined again.

00:25:41.620 They didn't want to be embarrassed again by having independent journalists

00:25:44.680 ask better questions, ask more interesting questions, and really dominate.

00:25:49.800 And I think that what happened after the French debate

00:25:51.420 was that independent media showed, we proved, that we are here to stay.

00:25:57.620 We're not going anywhere.

00:25:58.640 Our questions are interesting.

00:26:00.120 Our clips got way more views than anything else.

00:26:03.140 I think that our clips probably eclipsed the number of views of the entire French debate.

00:26:07.940 They couldn't let that happen again.

00:26:09.360 They couldn't allow the legacy media to lose their grip,

00:26:12.560 and they couldn't allow Mark Carney to be humiliated once again by a question.

00:26:16.580 So they just had to eliminate the entire thing.

00:26:19.280 What did you make of all of that, Wyatt?

00:26:20.620 Well, it was a vote of non-confidence in Mark Carney's debate performance.

00:26:25.560 If it was just the fact that they didn't like your guys' questions about Mark Carney

00:26:29.620 did pretty well in the debate, I think they would have let him proceed to the Q&A.

00:26:33.100 It was the combination of the fact that they hate your guys' guts, 0.98

00:26:36.240 and Mark Carney just looked pathetic on stage, 0.99

00:26:39.240 that they couldn't have the humiliation continue, 0.98

00:26:42.580 both for Mark Carney and the legacy media being boxed out by the independent media.

00:26:46.720 And I like how they're pretending like you're gaming the system by, you know,

00:26:50.400 showing up, being on time, standing in line at the microphones.

00:26:55.260 They could do that same thing to you guys.

00:26:57.500 There's like 150 of them in the room, and there's about, you know, 15 independent media people.

00:27:03.460 Well, what makes it so difficult for them to do what you guys are doing?

00:27:07.940 The thing is that they don't like that the independent media has invaded the Friends Club.

00:27:13.400 Because the Friends Club, oh, you can take a question, then I'll take a question. 0.98

00:27:16.480 How about we both, like, ask Jagmeet Singh about the same stupid thing about climate change? 0.99

00:27:21.240 Everyone thinks it's... 0.99

00:27:22.140 So, like, these people would think it's clownish that Alex Sultan got up there

00:27:26.160 and asked his question about gender, but it's a good question.

00:27:31.080 It seems, oh, it's not on the topic of the debate.

00:27:33.580 Yeah, but it's something that people like Mark Carney have been dodging for years.

00:27:38.280 He sent his daughter to the Tavistock Institute.

00:27:40.720 It bears asking the question if he actually lives in material reality when it comes to gender.

00:27:46.900 Well, and the fact that they asked Pierre Polyev, like, in January, a reporter for CP24

00:27:52.640 asked Pierre Polyev if he thought there were two genders, right?

00:27:55.380 And last year, in February, after Danielle Smith announced her ban on these life-altering medications 0.55

00:28:01.980 and surgeries, sex change surgeries for children, they asked Pierre Polyev, they scrummed him.

00:28:06.640 Every member of what you call the Friends Club were pressing him, rightfully so.

00:28:11.660 It's their job as journalists trying to find out where he stood on this issue,

00:28:15.420 but they refused to do that for Mark Carney.

00:28:17.740 They refused to.

00:28:18.380 So we have to do the job that they refused to do.

00:28:20.900 And so, again, like, they believe that we are right-wing.

00:28:25.440 You know, the talking points that have come out from the media today is that we are right-wing agitators

00:28:32.300 and that we are conservative and that we have an agenda and that we're trying to raise money.

00:28:36.700 But the reality is that we're simply doing the job that they refuse to do.

00:28:40.080 We are, like, the mirror image of the legacy media.

00:28:42.680 They come out with bad faith questions against Pierre Polyev all the time.

00:28:46.020 I don't believe our questions were bad faith.

00:28:47.460 I think that they were genuine.

00:28:48.780 But the way that they see us is the same way that millions of Canadians view them.

00:28:52.800 And they can't cope with that.

00:28:54.580 They can't deal with it.

00:28:55.660 So the shenanigans continued because outside of the event, well, first of all, we had a liberal

00:29:02.360 staffer assaulting David Menzies of the Rebel on camera.

00:29:06.380 I'm going to play that clip.

00:29:07.060 You can see very clearly that he knocks the camera out of the journalist's hand and he

00:29:13.420 knocks another camera out.

00:29:14.980 Let's play that clip and I'll get your reaction.

00:29:19.120 Oh, Terry Gillan!

00:29:20.840 Hey! 0.99

00:29:22.040 What the hell? 0.98

00:29:23.060 Terry Gillan! 0.98

00:29:24.400 What are you going to...

00:29:25.720 You guys are out.

00:29:27.360 You touched me with that.

00:29:28.980 I did not touch you, sir. 1.00

00:29:30.240 You're a liar. 1.00

00:29:31.200 You're a goddamn liar. 1.00

00:29:32.840 You're a liar. 1.00

00:29:33.460 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:29:33.720 Nice try, guys.

00:29:34.580 You just hit me.

00:29:35.480 So he did it twice.

00:29:39.620 Look, that is not the attitude of a winning campaign.

00:29:42.880 Like, if you were feeling good about your candidate, that was Mark Carney's media person

00:29:46.680 there, Terry Gillan.

00:29:49.640 And to me, he was raging out of control.

00:29:51.880 He hit David Menzies quite clearly twice there on that tape.

00:29:56.340 That's not a confident campaign manager.

00:29:58.740 That's not a campaign that is winning.

00:30:01.220 Those people are flailing out of control because they know they're losing their grip on

00:30:04.740 the narrative, on the media, and they know that their candidate had a very bad night.

00:30:08.620 And it only had to do with Mark Carney having a bad night that he was acting like that.

00:30:13.020 Because if he had a good night and the Q&A got canceled, hey, it's Mark Carney's birthday

00:30:17.120 because he wants to have a good debate and not be asked any questions about it afterwards,

00:30:21.200 unless it's from, like, you know, Katie Simpson or somebody like Stuart Benson from the Hill

00:30:26.020 Times. So he was only raging because of the bad debate performance.

00:30:31.320 And it's like, hey, guys, number one rule of politics, don't make, don't show what you're

00:30:36.160 thinking, like, through your emotions. Do not do that because it's going to be very easy to

00:30:39.980 exploit it. The conservatives are going to just keep drilling on these debate clips.

00:30:44.580 They're probably going to turn them into advertisements, as they should.

00:30:47.820 There are so many people who don't actually watch the debate live like we were talking about

00:30:52.000 before, but they consume them through clips. So when we see abacus data coming out and saying

00:30:57.180 that, like, 47% of people who watched the whole debate thought Polly have won, fantastic.

00:31:02.980 That means if you can get more people to watch the debate clips, they'll eventually come to the

00:31:07.500 same conclusion, which it's pretty difficult to get people to agree that the conservative

00:31:11.800 won a debate because since Canada has so many lefty parties, there's a lot of other people

00:31:17.020 who might say, oh, Jagme Singh won, or I think Carney won because I'm voting for him.

00:31:20.540 So you can get nearly 50% of people to say he won. That's pretty big.

00:31:25.060 I completely agree. And even the CBC had to admit that the conservatives and Pierre Polly have

00:31:31.200 won the debate. Here is a clip of the Ad Issues panel where Andrew Coyne admits that Pierre

00:31:36.920 Polly have had a great night.

00:31:38.300 I think Pierre Polly ever made some yards. I think he had a good night. He looked focused.

00:31:42.600 He was confident. He was fluent. He presented his case well. He was not just a critic, but also

00:31:47.340 outlining his own plan. So I think by the normal standards of how you judge these debates,

00:31:52.020 I think he had a good night.

00:31:53.020 And I do agree with Andrew that Pierre Polly have had a good night.

00:31:56.240 His goal was to sound more prime ministerial and look less like an attack dog that we've

00:32:00.700 come to know in the House of Commons. And I do think that he succeeded in that.

00:32:03.580 Wow. That feels good. What do you think, Wyatt?

00:32:08.080 Oh, especially coming from Chantal Hubert, who has made it her life's work to never say

00:32:13.000 something nice about Polly. I remember early on when Polly had first become the conservative

00:32:18.180 party leader, because I have to bring this up. She wrote an article like a month after

00:32:21.740 he became leader. It's like, see, look at his approval polling. He's not very well liked.

00:32:25.700 He's going to be like a terrible conservative leader. They should go back to O'Toole.

00:32:29.440 It's like, tell us you want the liberals to win. Just tell us. It's just sad. And Andrew

00:32:36.560 Coyne, too. He was the main person I saw online yesterday raging about Rebel News and the True

00:32:42.880 North Wire service and Juno News being at the debate. I don't know if Andrew Coyne even considers

00:32:50.120 himself a conservative anymore. The man is somebody who I guess would, he considers himself conservative

00:32:55.420 because he wants to conserve leftist institutions and orthodoxies. He would be one of the people saying,

00:33:01.680 don't break up the Soviet Union in Russia in the 1990s because we've had it for a very long time.

00:33:08.000 I think that's probably right. I don't think that, it's interesting because I think people

00:33:12.460 who, like for me, I used to read Andrew Coyne when I was in university and he was one of the people that

00:33:18.020 helped inform my view in becoming a conservative in the first place. And so I think of him as someone

00:33:24.240 on the political right, which makes me even more disappointed to hear his takes night in and night

00:33:28.240 out. But it's interesting because my young staff, like my staffers who are in their 20s and like the

00:33:34.300 Gen Z cohort, they don't connect him with the right at all. They just consider him like a hard left

00:33:39.820 Justin Trudeau fan boy in the Globe and Mail and on CBC. And so it's interesting that you said that

00:33:45.780 he's conservative because I don't think that people even put him in that category anymore.

00:33:49.400 And it's an attitudinal conservatism. It's again that, well, we should preserve our institutions.

00:33:55.400 So if the CBC has been around for a very long time, well, we should keep the CBC funding going on.

00:34:01.040 And I call him what I call some people. He is an aesthetic moderate. He doesn't like supporting

00:34:08.660 people who sound outside of the normal, even if they're entirely right. I know that this actually 0.99

00:34:14.000 happens with Donald Trump a lot, where you'll get kind of like the never Trump Republicans in the U.S.

00:34:18.620 who, in fact, actually agree with all of Trump's policies, but they don't like Trump because he's

00:34:22.820 not normal. And I see that with people. They're like, well, if you take a photo of, or if you take

00:34:27.760 a video clip of Polly of talking, he seems very rambunctious and populist, and that's not normal. 0.99

00:34:32.440 And then you cut to Mark Carney, and he's boring and consistent, which means that he's the conservative

00:34:36.940 choice in the mind of someone like Andrew Coyne.

00:34:39.760 It's interesting. We live in such a strange country where you have leftist conservatives,

00:34:44.920 or like basically, yeah, people that they, if you want to conserve Canada's order, you are a leftist

00:34:51.140 because Canada's institutions and Canada's order. I mean, it's a country, sadly, the last 50 years

00:34:57.180 has been built around like socialism and hard left ideas. And so anyone trying to conserve that

00:35:02.360 is actually on the left. I think that when it comes to Andrew Coyne, I think Donald Trump broke

00:35:07.120 his brain. And when I just, when I see him, when I hear him, I, I think, I think he just like lost

00:35:13.240 his ability to be insightful because he's so angry and full of rage. Even yesterday, like Stephen

00:35:18.240 Taylor, who's a conservative commentator shared a clip of him. I don't want to play it, but he

00:35:22.220 basically was predicting the death of independent media. He said that last night was the nail in the

00:35:27.880 coffin for us. And then Taylor posted that on X and accurately quoted him. And then in the replies,

00:35:35.660 Andrew Coyne was like raging and like accusing Stephen Taylor of working for Ezra. Like you took

00:35:41.060 my quote out of context. How dare you? Like, anyway, just a very angry, bitter person. And I sort of,

00:35:46.720 in some ways feel sorry for him. But I do think that last night, all those shenanigans were all based

00:35:52.740 and rooted in the fact that they are trying to silence us. They could not handle the independent media

00:35:57.100 out there running circles around the legacy media, asking real questions, getting more clicks and

00:36:02.700 more views. And our clips were going viral. And the, the, the whole, the whole episode was just them,

00:36:09.120 like their last gasp, like raging against the changes happening in this country. The fact that

00:36:14.940 the independent media is overtaking the legacy media in terms of relevancy and influence. And that was

00:36:20.520 just them like, like losing grip on their power. This will be the last election that the legacy media

00:36:26.860 has an impact in my, in my estimation. Well, they were, they were upset that they weren't there to

00:36:31.040 spin the, spin the debate exclusively. And if the conservatives win, and especially if the legacy

00:36:37.980 media at least starts getting their subsidies reduced, you will see wall to wall columns about

00:36:43.620 how independent media is what has turned Canada into a fascist state or whatever the narrative is

00:36:49.180 going to be. Exactly. There is going to be independent media hysteria over the next two years about how

00:36:54.520 independent media did all this to us, even as, you know, everything's fantastic potentially, because we

00:37:00.520 might have lower taxes. All these are like the most dour people you've ever met in your lives. Everything

00:37:05.160 could be sunny, warm birds chirping around them. And they'd be like, how can I survive this hellhole that I'm in

00:37:11.760 right now? Because we don't have Rosemary Barton on television 24 seven. It's so, it's so true. Although they

00:37:18.820 won't call us independent media, they'll call us extreme media and right wing media. And it's, it is

00:37:24.920 like, they live in a different universe. I noticed that outside the debates yesterday, there was a

00:37:28.880 feminist protest group that were wearing like handmaid's tail gowns, like as if we're going into 1.00

00:37:34.120 some kind of like a Christian fascism state. And I'm like, which, which party are they referring to?

00:37:38.860 Because last I checked all, like even the conservatives, it's, it's a very moderate centrist party that

00:37:44.900 is left wing on social issues, more or less, especially on abortion. So it was just like,

00:37:49.560 so out of touch. It's like, what, what are they talking about? It's like, are they reacting to

00:37:52.640 the American election? Because yes, in the U S you know, Trump had a hand in over overturning Roe

00:37:57.560 versus Wade, which didn't ban abortion. It just put it back to the States. But it's like, it does feel

00:38:02.700 like they're living in a fever dream. A lot of people like to live vicariously through American politics.

00:38:08.820 And when something interesting in Canada happens, I think these people get very excited because now I

00:38:14.740 get to LARP as if I'm in a fascist state, even though that's not even what's happening in the

00:38:19.600 U S at all. I've never seen a fascist cut the size of government in my life before.

00:38:24.600 But anyways, with many of these people though, that's why like Polly did such a good job of the 0.95

00:38:31.820 debate with the Trump question. He set the tone at the start that in fact, if you actually deeply

00:38:38.020 fear Donald Trump, you should be voting conservative because I'll make the country less weak and vulnerable

00:38:43.120 to the predations of the Americans. And now I don't think, I don't agree that that's what's even

00:38:48.740 going on. I disagree with tariff policies from Trump. At the same time, it's not like he's trying

00:38:53.700 to take over the country. The 54 state rhetoric is insane. But if that is your top issue, do you want

00:38:59.140 the people in who have been making the economy weaker per capita incomes going down, who have been

00:39:04.960 making sure that our military has been basically turned into a DEI HR department? Or do you want the

00:39:11.400 people who are going to, you know, cut your taxes and actually, you know, arm up the military if you

00:39:16.480 are deeply afraid that the Americans are going to run over the Montana border to start taking over 0.85

00:39:20.980 Alberta? 100%. Well, I can't wait. I really hope this all happens. I hope that Polyev wins and then

00:39:28.300 the media lose their minds and blame it on independent journalists. I can't wait for that. I'm here for it.

00:39:33.480 And if that happens, it's going to be a fantastic two to four years.

00:39:38.420 It's great for SEO.

00:39:41.360 Good. Good for Juno News. So, all right, Wyatt, thanks so much for joining the show. I always

00:39:45.780 appreciate the discussion. And folks, thank you so much for joining us. Have a wonderful and blessed

00:39:51.160 Easter weekend. I hope you have some time to reflect on some gratitude and just, you know,

00:39:58.600 our country is not perfect. But God has given us an amazing world and he's given us his son, which

00:40:05.400 was sacrificed so that we could live eternally. So, thank you so much for joining the show. We'll

00:40:11.920 be back again with the final week of the campaign next week. I'm Candace Malcolm. This is Candace

00:40:17.400 Malcolm Show. Thank you and God bless.

The Candice Malcolm Show - April 18, 2025

Mark Carney LOST the election last night

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