Mark Carney to be sworn in on FRIDAY ｜ Mr. Dress Up 2.0 ｜ Liberal’s surging in the polls ｜ Poilievre needs a new strategy
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Mark Carney will be sworn in as Canada's 24th Prime Minister on January 20, 2019 at Rideau Hall in Ottawa, Canada, along with his cabinet, at 11:00am ET. Mario and Clyde discuss what that means for the economy and the future of the country.
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Thank you so much for tuning in. We have a great show for you today. We're going to talk about Mark Carney. News has broke that he will be confirmed and sworn in as Prime Minister tomorrow. We'll talk about that.
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It goes by Marty of North. He's been a professional engineer by training for over 40 years. And I guess he's now a podcaster. So, gentlemen, thank you so much for joining the show.
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Yeah. Happy to be here. Actually, Clyde and I were, it feels like me and Clyde just got off his show. We were on till what, last night, midnight or something like that.
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Far too late. Far too late. Lost to Pakistan in this country. That's why we're on. I mean, there's like 2025 is off to a crazy start.
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It certainly is. It certainly is. And it seems like, you know, things change like every day. Like some days I feel like, okay, Polyev has taken back control of the narrative and he is leading things and he's doing really well.
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And then a poll will come out that shows a liberal majority. And it's like, it's totally, every day is something totally different. So let's start with this news that we are seeing from Canadian press and CTV is reporting that Mark Carney will be sworn in as Canada's 24th prime minister tomorrow, along with his cabinet.
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So Carney, Governor General Mary Simon's office has confirmed that the swearing-in ceremony of prime minister and his cabinet will officially take place at Rideau Hall at 11 a.m. Eastern in Ottawa.
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So that's that. I mean, there was some rumors circulating that he wouldn't officially be sworn in, that he would call an election right away, or that maybe he would try to prolong his time and do this later.
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But it looks like it's going to happen tomorrow.
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Now, I guess the question is, do you think he will trigger an election right away, or do you think he'll try to govern, try to pull in Jagmeet Singh and continue to maintain some kind of a coalition?
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The Liberals definitely got a bounce in the last little while with him, with their leadership campaign, with him getting chosen.
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You know, some people question the polls there. They always say that the polls are paid for.
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Sure, they're paid for, but they do show a trend, and I do believe that the Liberals have narrowed that gap in the popular vote.
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So I think, and I think Trump, or sorry, Trump, I think Carney's a one-trick pony myself.
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I think he's being paraded as an economist, you know, with a resume, you know, Bank of Canada, Bank of England.
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You can see that because they're not making him speak on other issues.
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He's not talking about whatever, social issues or anything like that.
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So because he's a one-trick pony, and he's getting a boost from Trump right now, he needs to strike while the polls are hot.
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And I think he's going to, I hope he misreads the polls, and I hope he calls an election.
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I think he'll call it an election because if he delays this for too long, waiting till October, let's say, that's six months where he'll have to come in front of the press and answer questions and talk about his real policies, other policies other than just the Trump tariffs.
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A wrestler to face a robot, that will have to happen.
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So whatever you think is going to happen in the future, you can invest in it at Wealthsimple.
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I don't think he can hang on to this for too much longer because the longer he hangs on to it,
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the more fuel that Pierre Polyev will have in debates and just in campaigning against him.
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He did run on the promise of getting rid of the consumer carbon tax.
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The PMO doesn't have to go to the parliament to request this.
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So this is going to be fodder for him going forward.
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He probably his best bet would be go into an election.
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So he doesn't have much time as the prime minister at that.
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All I know is that Mark Carney, who's a busy guy with a lot of things on his plate,
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he didn't do this just to be prime minister for five minutes.
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I mean, if he doesn't call an election, he's going to have to sit in the gallery of the House of Commons.
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And so, I mean, months of that, of not being able to himself answer the questions from Pierre,
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Like, I think that the more that Canadians see and learn about Mark Carney, the less appealing he is.
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Like, I don't know any Canadian that's sitting around, like, you know what we really need?
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A globalist banker who has all of his experience in, like, transnational corporations,
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moving companies out of Canada, investing in, like, our competitors,
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and opposing, basically, our main industry in Canada.
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Well, I think Carney, also as a retail politician, he doesn't really have a lot of experience.
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And the more that we see him out in the field and interacting with regular Canadians,
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So he was in Hamilton yesterday at a steel plant, and he, he's just so silly.
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So the front row there are the liberal, like, his liberal team, I guess,
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and they're all dressed up as if they are steelworkers.
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But then when he's giving his speech, the steelworkers are gone,
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and those are all just liberal MPs behind him, all dressing up,
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pretending, I guess, that they're blue-collar working Canadians.
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And his speech that he gave was sort of less than inspiring.
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It kind of actually made Justin Trudeau seem articulate in comparison.
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We have a little clip of him speaking from Hamilton yesterday.
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We are ready to sit down with the Americans, with the U.S. government.
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I'm ready to sit down with President Trump at the appropriate time
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under a position where there's respect for Canadian sovereignty.
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So I don't know that he's a very clear communicator.
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I don't think he's had a lot of experience doing this.
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I mean, he's never been elected for anything ever.
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I think it's a huge risk for the liberals to just, like,
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But then on the other hand, you know, I think that the media will cover for him.
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The media will paint him like a competent hand steering us through rocky times.
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I mean, one thing that's already happened just in the last five days
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since he was elected is the number of old clips of him that are showing up.
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because the liberals weren't going to bring him up.
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And the conservatives weren't actually bringing him up on purpose, I think.
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Now that he's the leader, now it's being unleashed.
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They show old videos of him saying all sorts of things like, you know,
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how he feels about the carbon tax, the true carny.
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As for that meeting yesterday, that, you know, he purposely picked that steel mill
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because, again, some of his earlier comments on steel,
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like he literally made a comment about a month ago during the campaign
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that I'm going to transfer the carbon tax away from consumers,
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And then he said, well, people don't use steel anymore.
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And the other part of yesterday is he sneaks in and out.
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They don't want him answering off-the-cuff questions
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Or he'll tell the truth, which is very problematic.
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And like, you know, you're talking about how he was,
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there are old clips circulating of him saying stuff.
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It's like things from a month ago or two months ago or three months ago
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where he's saying that we need a shadow carbon tax.
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So, you know, he's saying, let's get rid of the carbon tax
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And one of his values apparently is to be modest.
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But while being modest, he's touting a 600-page book.
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And yeah, and in there he talks about the urgent need
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to implement all kinds of regulations and taxes in the economy
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I think to me the question is whether or not the media is going to push this guy,
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whether we're going to have the true role of a media,
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which is to try to, you know, push the people in power,
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get the truth, help Canadians understand who he is.
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My concern is that the media is so in the bag for the Liberals,
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are so dependent on the taxpayer money that the Liberals have given them
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to sustain their industry that they're not going to.
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It's going to be a walk in the park for Mark Carney.
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He's not going to be chased and pressed to answer these sorts of questions.
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OK, he doesn't want to talk about carbon taxes.
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Let's just move on to something else focused more negatively on Pierre Polyev.
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Well, I think Liberal voters, I mean, the Canadians are voted.
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When we saw they when ahead of Justin Trudeau stepping down, we had MPs coming to the news
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and saying, I have my constituents calling me up and saying, I love you.
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But if Justin Trudeau is the leader, we're not going to vote for you.
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As soon as Justin Trudeau stepped down, this is this is where I think the polling is coming
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I think it's people going back to, you know, sit with their Liberal MPs and be happy with
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Now, Mark Carney is not going to be any better than Justin Trudeau.
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I mean, we got the announcement that Marco Mendicino is coming in and same with David Lamedi.
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And this is something that came up in our live stream last night that, you know, we have
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Pierre Polyev with Axe the Tax and we have Mark Carney with Mask the Tax because he's
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It's he's just he's just making it look like we don't have that by getting rid of the
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Well, like Clyde's referring to liberals like Ken McDonald in Newfoundland, right?
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He said it two, three times, like my constituents want me want Trudeau to step down.
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They literally said they want Trudeau to step down.
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And let's face it, for the last 157 years, liberals have been in power 70 percent of the
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Yeah, I mean, and that's sort of what the latest polls are showing.
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Leger released a poll just over the weekend that found that the liberals and the conservatives
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And I mean, this is like this is this shows that the strong lead that Pierre Polyev had
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This is modeled out is even more terrifying because it shows a clear liberal lead, possibly
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So it would result in the liberals getting 176 seats, the conservatives 137.
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And this is what the map of Canada would look like.
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You can see the greater Toronto area almost entirely going back to the liberals, Atlantic
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Canada, again, going back to being red and much more red even throughout the prairies.
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And so, I mean, this isn't this isn't some fringe polling company.
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This isn't Frank Braves putting up liberal propaganda.
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They are considered the best pollsters in Canada.
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And so if this is the position that we now face ourselves, that we now find ourselves
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in, I think it's a big, big problem and a major concern for the conservatives.
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I mean, in 2021, we all thought we were facing an open net and and we couldn't and the conservatives
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couldn't do it because mostly of of the mainstream media getting behind the liberals.
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But the other thing, if you believe the election of the Carney's election results, they put
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them up on their website and you could go look at them.
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So when you voted in the liberal leadership, your vote was still assigned to the writing
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And he defeated Freeland and he defeated Gould and Bayless in their own writings.
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And so so liberals came out and they voted for change and they're going to try and capitalize
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So so that's for me, that's the most interesting thing that I want to look at tomorrow is who
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made it into Carney's cabinet and who didn't, because that's the tough navigation for him.
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He does have 40 liberal MPs who said they weren't running again.
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And then because of the leadership race, it did force partisanship within their group.
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And then Freeland had a solid 30 or 40 MPs who threw their name behind her.
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And I think he made a weird choice yesterday by choosing Marco Mendocino as his chief of staff
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But again, there's there's some really bad blood with Mendocino and the cabinet.
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A divided liberal party emerge from this thing, it's not going to be as united as we think,
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and that perhaps could be one reason why he might want to delay an election, because he's
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going to I think he's going to have a divided party.
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When Trudeau stepped down on January 6th, he said that part of the reason that he was stepping
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down was because of these internal divides within his own party.
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But then if you looked at the liberal leadership results that came out on Sunday evening, it
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You know, 85 percent of the people voting went for Carney.
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And I think there is a fact that some 60 percent of liberal members did not vote.
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Yeah, not a not a divided part, but we don't know what happened to those two hundred and
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So that statistically, the the the membership voted for Carney, but it divided, call it a
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Call it a divided caucus, because, like I said, that 40, a third of his caucus said they're
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And then the other two thirds that are running again, a line behind Carney and Freeland.
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We had they were both like they were bragging about the fact that they got four hundred thousand
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new members and somehow they none of them turned up to vote except one hundred and fifty
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A number of people were disqualified for what reason?
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A number of candidates were disqualified for what reasons?
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Weren't very they weren't very forthcoming with all of this information.
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It doesn't seem like a fair election by any standard.
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So I think he was he was selected to be the leader of the liberals.
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And that's why that's why the vote swung so far towards him.
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If you if you didn't know what had happened and you just look at the election results,
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And the more you look at it, the more it looks suspicious, the more it looks fabricated
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to to to make everybody think that Carney's the guy.
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It's sort of what they do in third world countries.
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They say, like, look, we got a we held an election and our leader got ninety nine percent
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and everyone voted and there was no coercion whatsoever.
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You know, when someone's running up the scoreboard like that, it really makes you question it.
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I want to move a little bit to back to the United States and potentially what will be
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I'm sure the liberals would love this to be the ballot box question, to be a question
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on President Trump and what we think of him as opposed to what we think of Mark Carney
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But just to go through the news again, yesterday in a CBS News interview, U.S. Commerce Secretary
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Howard Lutnick said that Trump needed to break some guy in Ontario who is going to tax American
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So we see the Americans almost sort of doing a victory lap about this idea that Doug Ford
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has folded, that he will no longer try to tax electricity going to the U.S.
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Nobody expected him to announce 50 percent tariffs this morning.
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He needed to break some guy in Ontario who said he was going to tax American energy 25 percent.
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The president of the United States in the White House says, oh, no, you won't and breaks
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But in here in Canada, I saw a lot of people do victory laps saying that Ford had defeated
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OK, well, here we have Donald Trump speaking in the Oval Office on Wednesday.
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Just, again, kind of reiterating this point that Ford's little threat didn't work.
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This is not going to be a tough battle, in my opinion, not going to be tough.
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Just like when Ontario charged us, everybody said, oh, they just said this would be one
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And they announced what we were going to do and they withdrew their little threat.
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And by the way, that threat of cutting off power, it almost amounted to that, right?
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I mean, you know, like same with people have said Alberta should, you know, we're being
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That's an act of war if you cut off something that critical to another nation.
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And then we also had, I mean, I think, I honestly think to the original comment, will
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I don't think it will be because I honestly think this tariff war will be over in about
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Like it's done, the salvos have been launched, and now we deal with the facts of it, or some
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So we were told that the first phase of tariffs were over drugs and over dealing with fentanyl
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And then the April 2nd tariffs are going to be about evening the playing field or kind
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of retribution for Canada's domestic subsidies.
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Do you think that that could bring this all back to the forefront?
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So this is an interesting one because Donald Trump's taking the tactics of everyone in
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He's saying reciprocal tariffs is the way to go to get rid of tariffs.
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Well, the problem is, is a lot of Canadians don't realize that we have ongoing tariffs.
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Canada's been a real bad actor in this realm with huge tariffs.
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And, you know, our supply management system, we've talked at length about that, but that's
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We have, you know, protectionism across the board.
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And Canada has got to stop doing that if they want to survive this, come out of this one,
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unless they want to isolate themselves, which I don't think that is the right plan for Canada.
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But what will end up having to happen is, you know, political leaders will have to touch
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that third rail of, you know, supply management, which, you know, we know can make or break
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But I think I think Donald Trump is doing that on purpose.
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But at the end of the day, they want fair trade, we should be moving towards that.
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And I think I think we can all come to the table and say, things need to be discussed
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think Trump got what he wanted from the tariff threats.
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Actually, an interesting clip yesterday, I don't know if you saw that one.
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But the the the president of Ireland visited the White House yesterday.
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And that was hilarious, because that guy was doing like, he almost showed up like on on
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on all fours saying, like, please don't hurt me, please don't hurt me.
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And he literally went on a rant about here's what we're buying from you guys.
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Like, that's all he talked about the poor president of Ireland.
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So Trump's put the fear in a lot of world leaders.
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So yeah, I don't think this will be a ballot question.
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And just to touch on something that Clyde mentioned, which is supply management.
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Like, there used to be such a strong libertarian sentiment that ran through the Conservative
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Party, that issues like supply management of dairy was something that was debated.
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And recall back in 2017, when Maxi Bernier was running for leader of that party, that was
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sort of like one of his primary platforms was like, we're going to get rid of this sacred
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cow, this Soviet style supply management system.
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I don't hear very many people in the Conservative Party talking about that at all.
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It reminds me that there is this essay written by Pierre Polyev at age 20, circulating online.
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Pierre Polyev wrote this essay for an essay contest for Magna International.
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That's Frank Stronich's auto manufacturing company.
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I guess he was one of the finalists or one of the winners.
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The essay is called Building Canada Through Freedom.
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And, you know, interestingly, Pierre Polyev, I mean, his views haven't really changed.
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He's still pretty consistent in terms of his philosophy.
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So he basically says, as prime minister, what I would do to improve the living standards is
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not nearly as important as what I would not do.
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So the whole essay is like, what would you do as prime minister?
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And he comes up with like a three part plan to basically cut taxes and eliminate growth
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He says that he would eliminate the capital gains tax, that he would raise a personal
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exemption for income taxes to help the poor, and that he would reduce payroll taxes.
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So interesting, even at 20, he wasn't like throwing out like wild ideas.
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But you can see the theme of like, you know, he's devoted to free markets, freedom, and lowering
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the government and almost like laying out this idea of doge in Canada before.
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You know, 25 years before Elon Musk did, and he wanted to go through every program in government
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The one part that is sort of a contradiction to what he believes today, he has a whole section
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And then he also says this, I'll just read here because it's pretty interesting.
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He says, finally, I'd make a personal commitment.
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I would resign after serving my second term in office.
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The beauty of genuine democracy is it permits average citizens to serve their country in
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Politics should not be a lifelong career and elected officials should not be allowed to
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fix themselves in the halls of power in a nation.
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And then he later writes that I would therefore institute a two-term limit for members of
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So I guess his views on that have changed since he's been in office for some 20 years.
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But what do you gentlemen think of this idea of Canada having freedom, building Canada
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And obviously the one about term limits, I mean, I don't know how a politician could become
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prime minister with only two terms, unless you're Mark Carney, which you don't have to
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And not all Canadians are billionaires and can't get themselves in that position.
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I think it takes a little while politically to get to work yourself up to running for prime
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So if you were to say two terms for the prime minister office, that could be a possibility.
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I would go even further and I'd say we should be electing all kinds of other positions.
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But Pierre Pauly has a lot of good takes on a lot of things.
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He's just been quiet about those good takes lately.
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And I think this is why he's falling in the polls.
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Is he's talking, you know, these points about about reciprocal tariffs.
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He's talking about things that just don't resonate with the average conservative in
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People who are like, you know, sick of the liberals.
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When he sounds a lot like the liberals right now, he's not going to pull very well at all.
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And I think he should be more bolsterous about his roots and his opinions that he's had in
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Wear them on his sleeve and not be apologetic about it at all.
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In fact, be the Pierre Pauly that we got used to in the campaign for the conservative leadership
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where he was unapologetic and he would take on the media about these things.
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I mean, I wish Pierre would stick to that essay.
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I haven't read that essay, but I remember hearing about it.
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And they are his core values and I wish he would stick to it.
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The problem in Canada is that the people that advise Pierre, the strategists, they read it
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differently and somehow or other they're scared to be true conservatives.
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I think that's one of the problems with Pierre right now is the people on his campaign who
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You know, he's got some pretty good strategists.
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I'm like the same guys who advise Scheer and O'Toole before him.
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Pick a different path, folks, because whatever the conservatives have been doing in this country
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Well, it's interesting because from my perspective, I think that Pierre Pauly, like the thing I
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liked about him was that he's very sure of himself.
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He was very confident, especially when he was interacting with the media, right?
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Like he wasn't on his heels and sort of apologizing for being conservative.
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He had no problem smacking down a bad question, calling out the journalist and trying to hit
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like the premise, being like your premise is wrong and here is why.
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And and, you know, even forget about the policies.
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It was more like his attitude and his confidence.
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And then what I saw happen was after Trudeau resigned, he sort of became like a little bit
00:29:32.960
unsure of like what the what the mood of the country was, what the questions were.
00:29:37.460
And so he sort of came back into the sort of I don't know exactly how to say it, but
00:29:46.880
He's famous for this rather than just come out and say, hey, Trudeau's gone.
00:29:52.680
He's waiting to see he's being too much of a politician, which is waiting to see what
00:30:00.680
And people have been asking him a long time, weigh in before the poll results come in.
00:30:05.860
You know, somebody told me this didn't tell me, but I read this online yesterday or maybe
00:30:11.840
But somebody was talking to a friend of theirs who's an actor.
00:30:15.460
And that actor said that his his interpretation of Pierre, he looked at him through the lens
00:30:25.260
Something's changed in his demeanor, in his mood, everything.
00:30:33.380
Like, it almost feels like he's back in the mode that Aaron O'Toole and Andrew Scheer were
00:30:39.120
both stuck in, which is like waiting, reacting, like not leading the narrative and not having
00:30:46.700
So I was actually happy there was a press conference and a clip of Polyev circulating
00:30:56.120
You can see that the journalist is asking like a very loaded kind of gotcha question,
00:31:00.400
like what kind of experience do you have to deal with Donald Trump?
00:31:04.860
And then Polyev kind of like hits his stride here.
00:31:09.280
And this is what he needs to channel during the election to do well.
00:31:14.420
But you'll see the loaded question and then Pierre's response just goes better and better.
00:31:20.240
What economic and diplomatic experience do you have to go up against Donald Trump?
00:31:27.120
So I was the minister of jobs and housing in the Harper government, during which time
00:31:36.680
I helped Mr. Harper cut the GST, cut income tax, cut business tax and balance the budget.
00:31:44.420
Over my time in Parliament, I've been scrutinizing and studying the books on the Public Accounts
00:31:52.980
Committee, the Operations Committee, the Finance Committee.
00:31:56.080
And if you want any proof that my economic ideas are the best, the Liberals are all trying
00:32:01.480
to pretend that they're copying them right before the election.
00:32:04.480
All the big economic questions of the last five years.
00:32:13.440
So I think I think that that point is sort of hitting his stride.
00:32:24.220
What we've been seeing recently is not Pierre Polyev, but PR Polyev.
00:32:28.700
And that's that's really what we want to get away from, because that's that's the old
00:32:32.420
We're like living in the 1990s with the conservatives and their their political strategy.
00:32:44.120
It's you know, people want to compare him to Trump.
00:32:49.660
Why just be proud and bolsterous about your ideas and take on the media?
00:32:54.780
You'll probably get more airtime for doing that if because in campaigns, airtime is is
00:33:04.500
You want them to be showing your face all the time.
00:33:06.740
If they're showing Pierre Polyev more than Pierre Polyev is going to get more votes.
00:33:12.060
And if he's if he's challenging them, they're going to they're going to go into peer derangement
00:33:17.440
And that's the best thing that can happen for Canadian politics on the right.
00:33:21.580
If he's he's avoiding that and he'll do that to you know, he's he's he's almost, you
00:33:29.900
He could lose if he keeps going down this strategy.
00:33:31.460
And that clip, that clip shows that he has the core set of values that haven't changed.
00:33:37.220
So when you get put on the spot by a question, if you're if your narrative never changes
00:33:41.620
because you believe in it, then it's easy because you could see it in his eyes.
00:33:44.840
He's like, oh, and this, oh, and this like he's probably getting flooded with stuff that
00:33:48.940
he wants to say, but he has his 50 seconds to do it.
00:33:57.500
And if somebody says this has changed or this has changed, you go, yeah, I wrote that 25
00:34:04.080
But at the core, like focus on the core of the essay and say at the core, this is what
00:34:11.700
I mean, what he does well, like, you know, yeah, Carney Carney goes to a steel factory
00:34:15.660
and has to surround himself with with actors, whereas we know that Pierre keep doing what
00:34:23.820
Talk to the workers in the parking lot afterwards.
00:34:27.520
Yeah, I think there's a I've said this on a few shows lately.
00:34:32.660
There is a very solid path to victory for Pierre and and I hope they find it and get on that
00:34:41.240
You know, well, it's interesting that we're talking about, you know, it's 2025 and you
00:34:48.320
And it's interesting because because of Trudeau government regulation with regards to news
00:34:52.460
media and how we can operate on social media news.
00:34:56.120
Canadian news outlets cannot have a presence on Facebook or Instagram.
00:34:59.940
And I think that Pierre probably have used that to his advantage because he didn't have
00:35:03.740
to speak to Canadians through the filter of the media.
00:35:06.160
He could just go out and speak to them directly.
00:35:08.320
And so much of his strategy that really propelled him to such a large lead in the polls was just
00:35:13.860
him on social media, putting out these really polished documentaries, explaining issues like
00:35:23.920
I haven't seen as much of that, but I did want to tie this to a clip that really went viral
00:35:31.940
From last week, a high profile, large audience, American podcaster named Patrick Bette David
00:35:38.540
criticized Pierre Polyev and told him that he's made a huge mistake by not going on more
00:35:43.920
podcasts, so not meeting maybe Canadians or young men where they are, which is on these
00:35:49.220
sort of alternative platforms and podcasts where you can just sit down and have a real
00:35:53.520
I know you guys have both commented on this, but I want to, for our audience, play a bit of
00:36:00.080
Every time we invited Pierre, arrogant, pompous team, the only podcast he ever did is Jordan
00:36:21.040
You saw Vivek become a super sub because he went everywhere.
00:36:27.240
So it's not wrong, but he, and he mentioned team, right?
00:36:31.240
He said, Pierre's team, that's his handlers that are, that are not adapting.
00:36:36.980
Well, it's interesting because I mean, he, he did come on to my podcast and like, it took
00:36:42.720
a while for me to, to, to get to him and to, to convince him to do that.
00:36:46.340
But like, I don't have a huge audience like some of those Americans do, but I don't, I
00:36:50.520
don't see why he wouldn't just go out and go on to Joe Rogan, go on to like some of these
00:36:55.600
It was great that he did a Jordan Peterson show and I got, I think millions of views.
00:37:03.920
I don't know if that's because his team is too cautious and they're blocking him from
00:37:10.440
They, they, they're, they're playing it safe and playing it safe is, is coming in second
00:37:15.300
That that's really what it's going to come down to.
00:37:17.020
And then they don't control the material and that drives them nuts, right?
00:37:20.140
They want to have the B roll or whatever you call it.
00:37:24.000
I mean, that was why, that was why Carney didn't want anybody at his event the other
00:37:30.820
You could see that you can see what they produce during their events and what makes it out in
00:37:35.440
public versus what we produce when we're there.
00:37:37.780
So, um, yeah, 6 million views, I think he got within one day for going on Jordan Peterson
00:37:49.780
You got a hundred and probably 300,000 followers, right?
00:37:52.760
I mean, there's a million people that'll, that'll watch the us, uh, if he comes on our
00:38:04.420
People have lost the, the, the, the appetite for slogans and, and short form content.
00:38:13.380
And this is what won Donald Trump, won Millay their, their elections.
00:38:17.040
They went out, they were vulnerable, but they were, they were prepared.
00:38:20.320
And we know Pierre comes to the table prepared.
00:38:23.220
He can, he can withstand a three hour interview if it came down to it and, and, and come out
00:38:31.400
And this is, what's going to win elections in this new thing.
00:38:34.260
Now, what they're trying to do is, is, is get the vote of the liberal Torontonians.
00:38:42.760
Let's talk about getting people who are fence sitters who haven't voted before, maybe vote
00:38:47.660
occasionally, but they're, they're not going to be too excited when they see Pierre come
00:38:51.660
out and, and give honest, long form opinions on things.
00:38:55.960
This is what will get people who haven't voted energized.
00:39:05.160
Where the, the, the lowest voting demographic is the young male.
00:39:09.860
So like, if you wake up the young male as a voter, not as a, not in, you know, like you,
00:39:19.540
So get young males to vote and yeah, go on the podcast here.
00:39:24.780
Well, it's interesting, Clyde, that you mentioned the GTA and the Toronto voter.
00:39:28.520
Cause if we can go back to that map of Canada, the Leger poll, it shows like, it's really
00:39:33.980
unbelievable how this has flipped because I'm telling you like two months ago that that
00:39:37.760
bottom right corner that shows greater Toronto, like most of those seats were blue, all of
00:39:41.640
the suburbs, obviously there's still a few downtown writings that will basically always
00:39:46.120
But you see that that has now flipped at least according to this poll.
00:39:50.620
And so Pierre strategy of not trying to upset those voters and not trying to, I guess, alienate
00:39:57.520
them by being too much of a conservative or talking too much about freedom that hasn't
00:40:01.760
Like he's lost his voters anyway, according to this poll.
00:40:04.800
So like I, from my perspective, he has to do something and I would love to see him go
00:40:09.720
out there and go onto some of these big podcasts, but then you see the pushback that's happening.
00:40:14.360
Like I already saw it when that Patrick, that David clip was going viral of some kind of like
00:40:20.100
establishment conservatives, for instance, Jason Kenney, former premier of Alberta came out
00:40:26.940
You platformed Andrew Tate, who is a misogynist and a rapist, which is true.
00:40:31.760
But this idea of like guilt by association, like I can't do trouble.
00:40:40.220
I think you should go to where the audience is.
00:40:42.080
And if young males, like you said, Marty, are watching these podcasts, and that is what
00:40:46.720
helped J.D. Vance and President Trump have their opinions.
00:40:50.240
They change people's opinions of them, then Polyev should do the same thing and forget
00:40:54.800
about the risk-averse cancel culture people that will say, like, how dare you go on a
00:40:58.500
platform that had someone else that I don't like?
00:41:02.000
So you showed that map in that bottom corner, Toronto, right?
00:41:05.400
The five largest companies in Canada are banks.
00:41:10.140
So the five largest companies in Canada are the TD Bank, National Bank, Toronto Dominion,
00:41:14.440
and they're all based out of Toronto, and Polyev is protecting those banks if he doesn't go
00:41:21.760
after Toronto, and those banks are actually one of the biggest targets of Trump's right
00:41:29.140
And like, I would take advantage right now, the TD Bank got hit with a $3 billion penalty
00:41:39.160
And the president of the TD Bank walks away, he just resigns, his term is done next week.
00:41:46.960
And so hammer the banks, it sucks, but hammer the banks and hammer Ontario, and then you
00:41:53.200
will gain so much support in the rest of the country.
00:41:57.020
I mean, the banks used to be actually the number one target of all the politicians in
00:42:00.960
I don't know when they stopped being the targets.
00:42:03.040
Well, I know why, because they're so big and so powerful.
00:42:05.180
So yeah, there's, I think we keep coming back to the same conclusion.
00:42:12.700
The advisors of the conservatives right now, I don't think are doing a very good job of
00:42:18.640
And me and I are going to get criticized for saying this, and probably you, Candace, because
00:42:22.360
speaking the truth, man, I'm not against Pierre.
00:42:25.200
I like Pierre, and I want him to get it, but we're criticizing his team and his approach.
00:42:29.960
And we think he might be, I think he might miss an open net.
00:42:36.000
I mean, the fact that he was so far ahead, and he's not, I will point out that the betting
00:42:40.060
markets are still strongly in favor of a conservative winning.
00:42:43.340
So one Leger poll showing the liberals ahead doesn't necessarily mean this is a done deal
00:42:49.220
Actually, Marty, you posted this on X yesterday.
00:42:51.840
You said that the Poly market is still predicting a big conservative win.
00:43:01.480
So Pierre Polyev's odds of becoming prime minister haven't changed, at least in the last, I think
00:43:08.500
But then Brian Lilly also had a post about the MGM betting markets, and the serious odds
00:43:13.880
are still, again, in favor of the conservatives.
00:43:15.700
Almost a one-to-one chance of them winning, or 1.36, compared to the liberals, up at 2.87.
00:43:29.100
But I think that Polyev has to change something because the momentum has shifted and it's
00:43:34.640
going towards Mark Carney and the liberals, probably, you think.
00:43:38.820
Yeah, well, I absolutely think that he just needs to go back to being himself.
00:43:53.940
Whatever, you got to do what you got to do, but don't become a different character.
00:43:58.020
It's the new character that people are just not resonating towards, as well as, you know,
00:44:03.320
as the liberals move towards his strategy and saying, like, all the talking points, you
00:44:09.300
know, getting rid of the carbon tax, fiscal conservatism, all of this stuff.
00:44:19.740
But I'll be the one who actually implement them.
00:44:23.560
And this is what will actually get people to wake up and say, oh, OK, I still like that
00:44:30.400
Step away from this PR strategy stuff from Ottawa.
00:44:34.920
Well, and the other thing is, if the liberals have come towards him in terms of policies
00:44:38.760
like carbon tax, capital gains tax, and some others, I think it creates an opportunity
00:44:42.640
for him to come up with some new strategies, some new policies, sorry, based on his principles
00:44:47.440
of free market, like, why don't we hear like a huge major tax cut or, you know, some other
00:44:51.800
huge reform that will, again, differentiate the liberals from the conservatives, because
00:44:56.560
if the liberals want to run as fiscal conservatives, that's great for me.
00:45:01.760
But then I want to see more from the conservatives, maybe on social issues, maybe on some of the
00:45:06.680
woke things that have kind of gone way too far in Canada.
00:45:09.280
Like, let's hear, let's hear different things from Polly.
00:45:12.260
Actually, when you mentioned that, you remind me of another thing I want to point out.
00:45:17.020
The liberals have closed the gap with the conservatives, but it's not that the conservatives
00:45:21.280
dropped, it's that the liberals went up, and the liberals went up in popularity at the
00:45:26.840
So that's a really important thing to remember.
00:45:34.740
So, so the conservatives now, strategically, what they need to do is they need to try and
00:45:41.320
find where are they going to find their votes, they're not going to find too many more, they're
00:45:46.240
So they need to keep that, like, they didn't lose ground.
00:45:50.380
They didn't lose ground that the liberals regained some, maybe, maybe a strategy would be to
00:45:57.820
And I would like to add to that the conservatives can come out and talk about Mark Carney and
00:46:02.300
his fiscal conservatism, the whole, his new, newfound liking for that.
00:46:07.040
No, he's not going to be fiscally conservative.
00:46:19.460
He's largely, I would, I would, I would say that he's largely responsible for the housing
00:46:24.660
bubble in Canada because it's an asset bubble because of interest rates are way too low for way too long.
00:46:30.680
And this is, this is the legacy of Mark Carney.
00:46:43.500
Now, this is a very risky thing, but one thing Pierre should do is have a meeting with Trump.
00:46:48.440
Imagine if Pierre has a meeting with Trump before the election and they're buddy buddies,
00:46:53.060
you know, like Brian Mulroney, Ronald Reagan kind of buddy buddies.
00:46:56.380
Like if Trump met him and everything goes good, then Pierre could eat.
00:47:00.600
Like that's the victory I would go after if I was Pierre right now.
00:47:03.780
But that's also risky because you could show up at the White House and end up having a Zelensky moment.
00:47:14.740
But my concern, and I think that this would be the concern of the strategists around Pollyve,
00:47:18.760
I don't know what Pollyve thinks about this, but that it could backfire,
00:47:21.580
that the liberals could use that image to say, Pollyve, he's just like Trump.
00:47:25.100
And then they would get their wish of running a campaign against Donald Trump.
00:47:31.920
How many, what percentage of Canadians have like complete Trump derangement?
00:47:36.140
Like how many of them really drank the Kool-Aid and believe the MSNBC talking points?
00:47:40.380
Because if it's like 20 to 30% of Canadians, then Pollyve could do that and he could win.
00:47:45.100
But if it's like 60 or 70% of Canadians that like wake up in fear of Donald Trump and hate him,
00:47:52.080
then Pollyve doing that would be a total disaster.
00:47:55.320
And on the flip side, I think Carney will avoid it because Carney will not,
00:48:05.620
He doesn't like bankers and snobs and people like that.
00:48:13.080
Carney, go visit Trump and have your Zelensky moment.
00:48:16.120
I think a lot of the people in Canada that have Trump derangement syndrome at the moment
00:48:19.800
are hardcore liberals anyway, and they're not going to vote conservative regardless.
00:48:23.700
So there's no point of pandering to those individuals.
00:48:26.240
Yeah, they'll squeak loudly, but you could use that to your advantage.
00:48:31.140
The more unhinged they get, the better the conservatives will look.
00:48:35.120
So I would say, you know, encourage it, make it happen more often
00:48:41.720
I live in an ultra conservative writing and I have weekly book club meetings with my neighbors.
00:48:49.460
And I was surprised at how many of my neighbors don't like Trump.
00:48:54.480
And I think what his latest salvo really soured a lot of people.
00:48:58.520
They probably did like Trump in the beginning, but some people truly don't,
00:49:04.160
you know, were shocked by Trump attacking us so viciously in the last little while.
00:49:09.140
Yeah, I can sort of relate to that as well, because I like Trump and I find him hilarious.
00:49:14.240
I don't think he gets enough credit for just being like entertaining and funny.
00:49:17.320
And I think that the team that he's assembled is really good.
00:49:19.740
I love the Make America Healthy Again movement.
00:49:21.660
And there's so much about it that I really like, but I have not liked this.
00:49:24.440
Like, I don't think that a terror for against your closest friend and ally is a good strategy.
00:49:28.200
I don't think that calling Canada the 51st state and repeating the Governor Trudeau thing,
00:49:32.580
even though it is kind of funny, but it's just so unhelpful to Canadian politics,
00:49:36.160
because it has just completely changed the entire conversation in Canada.
00:49:41.900
It's frustrating that an external force that we used to think was for good has derailed our politics so much.
00:49:49.160
And finally, the thing I liked about Trump was that I felt like we were going to have a golden age
00:49:52.780
and that it was going to be this like booming economy.
00:49:54.740
We're finally going to get like the roaring 20s that we were waiting for after COVID.
00:49:58.540
And yet, because of this whole tariff thing, I mean, the stock market is just in an absolute freefall.
00:50:03.660
And it doesn't really feel like we're like anybody's winning at this point.
00:50:07.780
His own citizens and his own advisors are telling him that, hey, Donald, like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:50:12.220
I mean, you know, yeah, to your point, Candace, I think last I looked,
00:50:16.660
the American market had lost $4.5 trillion in market cap.
00:50:22.860
And Americans checked off Trump mostly for economic reasons.
00:50:27.700
Here in Canada, we vote for health care and free checks for whatever reason,
00:50:38.940
Let's hear more from Robert Kennedy on making, you know, America healthy
00:50:44.400
and let some of the other people talk for a while.
00:50:55.500
There's the punitive ones that are aimed at Canada fixing, Canada and Mexico,
00:51:02.680
The issues with narcotics in the country, which are real issues.
00:51:06.680
And we're not, the numbers, the numbers, the 1% numbers, most people would dismiss that
00:51:13.240
with the amount that's actually being trafficked in the country.
00:51:24.000
In fact, I think that reciprocal tariffs is what our politicians are talking about against
00:51:30.660
I think if they would just come to the table and actually negotiate and say, you know, the
00:51:36.880
end goal here is to remove tariffs, that would be a great step in the right direction.
00:51:42.000
Now, there are a lot of, you know, cartels and monopolies in Canada that would suffer tremendously
00:51:50.500
Our economy would transition to a more modern economy.
00:51:54.320
And we could do really well with the United States as good partners.
00:51:57.640
I think that's the direction that he's trying to go.
00:51:59.760
I think he's having a hard time with that because there's pushback.
00:52:18.100
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