The Candice Malcolm Show - Mark Carney to be sworn in on FRIDAY ｜ Mr. Dress Up 2.0 ｜ Liberal’s surging in the polls ｜ Poilievre needs a new strategy

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00:01:30.000 Thank you so much for tuning in. We have a great show for you today. We're going to talk about Mark Carney. News has broke that he will be confirmed and sworn in as Prime Minister tomorrow. We'll talk about that.

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00:02:46.000 It goes by Marty of North. He's been a professional engineer by training for over 40 years. And I guess he's now a podcaster. So, gentlemen, thank you so much for joining the show.

00:02:56.160 Yeah. Happy to be here. Actually, Clyde and I were, it feels like me and Clyde just got off his show. We were on till what, last night, midnight or something like that.

00:03:06.920 Far too late. Far too late. Lost to Pakistan in this country. That's why we're on. I mean, there's like 2025 is off to a crazy start. 1.00

00:03:14.700 It certainly is. It certainly is. And it seems like, you know, things change like every day. Like some days I feel like, okay, Polyev has taken back control of the narrative and he is leading things and he's doing really well.

00:03:26.040 And then a poll will come out that shows a liberal majority. And it's like, it's totally, every day is something totally different. So let's start with this news that we are seeing from Canadian press and CTV is reporting that Mark Carney will be sworn in as Canada's 24th prime minister tomorrow, along with his cabinet.

00:03:46.440 So Carney, Governor General Mary Simon's office has confirmed that the swearing-in ceremony of prime minister and his cabinet will officially take place at Rideau Hall at 11 a.m. Eastern in Ottawa.

00:04:00.840 So that's that. I mean, there was some rumors circulating that he wouldn't officially be sworn in, that he would call an election right away, or that maybe he would try to prolong his time and do this later.

00:04:12.540 But it looks like it's going to happen tomorrow.

00:04:14.640 Now, I guess the question is, do you think he will trigger an election right away, or do you think he'll try to govern, try to pull in Jagmeet Singh and continue to maintain some kind of a coalition?

00:04:25.520 Mario, I'll go to you first.

00:04:27.560 Well, that's the million-dollar question.

00:04:31.920 The Liberals definitely got a bounce in the last little while with him, with their leadership campaign, with him getting chosen.

00:04:38.660 You know, some people question the polls there. They always say that the polls are paid for.

00:04:42.760 Sure, they're paid for, but they do show a trend, and I do believe that the Liberals have narrowed that gap in the popular vote.

00:04:51.820 So I think, and I think Trump, or sorry, Trump, I think Carney's a one-trick pony myself.

00:04:56.920 I think he's being paraded as an economist, you know, with a resume, you know, Bank of Canada, Bank of England.

00:05:04.280 So he's a one-trick pony.

00:05:05.280 You can see that because they're not making him speak on other issues.

00:05:09.360 He's not talking about whatever, social issues or anything like that.

00:05:13.580 So because he's a one-trick pony, and he's getting a boost from Trump right now, he needs to strike while the polls are hot.

00:05:21.620 And I think he's going to, I hope he misreads the polls, and I hope he calls an election.

00:05:25.500 And I think he will.

00:05:26.220 I think he'll call it an election because if he delays this for too long, waiting till October, let's say, that's six months where he'll have to come in front of the press and answer questions and talk about his real policies, other policies other than just the Trump tariffs.

00:05:43.500 And I think on that, he'll flounder.

00:05:45.340 So he'll call it an election.

00:05:46.720 That's my bet.

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00:06:19.560 What do you think?

00:06:19.980 I don't think he can hang on to this for too much longer because the longer he hangs on to it,

00:06:25.420 the more fuel that Pierre Polyev will have in debates and just in campaigning against him.

00:06:30.880 He did run on the promise of getting rid of the consumer carbon tax.

00:06:35.660 Now, he can do that day one as he's sworn in.

00:06:38.440 The PMO doesn't have to go to the parliament to request this.

00:06:43.160 He can just make the carbon tax zero percent.

00:06:46.160 You can do that with a stroke of a pen.

00:06:47.720 So this is going to be fodder for him going forward.

00:06:51.900 He probably his best bet would be go into an election.

00:06:55.340 So he doesn't have much time as the prime minister at that.

00:07:00.320 But we don't know.

00:07:01.140 We don't know what he possibly could do.

00:07:03.020 All I know is that Mark Carney, who's a busy guy with a lot of things on his plate,

00:07:07.400 he didn't do this just to be prime minister for five minutes.

00:07:10.440 Yeah.

00:07:10.600 And just one last thought on this.

00:07:13.460 I mean, if he doesn't call an election, he's going to have to sit in the gallery of the House of Commons.

00:07:19.840 And so, I mean, months of that, of not being able to himself answer the questions from Pierre,

00:07:26.400 I think that would be disastrous for him.

00:07:29.080 I think you're right.

00:07:30.240 Like, I think that the more that Canadians see and learn about Mark Carney, the less appealing he is.

00:07:34.700 Like, I don't know any Canadian that's sitting around, like, you know what we really need? 1.00

00:07:38.520 A globalist banker who has all of his experience in, like, transnational corporations,

00:07:43.300 moving companies out of Canada, investing in, like, our competitors,

00:07:47.060 and opposing, basically, our main industry in Canada.

00:07:50.640 Well, I think Carney, also as a retail politician, he doesn't really have a lot of experience.

00:07:54.780 And the more that we see him out in the field and interacting with regular Canadians,

00:07:59.100 the more out of place he seems. 0.99

00:08:00.360 So he was in Hamilton yesterday at a steel plant, and he, he's just so silly. 0.98

00:08:05.540 Like, this is totally like Mr. Dress Up 2.0. 0.96

00:08:08.020 We can show some images.

00:08:09.520 So the front row there are the liberal, like, his liberal team, I guess,

00:08:13.420 and they're all dressed up as if they are steelworkers.

00:08:15.520 The steelworkers are behind them.

00:08:18.060 But then when he's giving his speech, the steelworkers are gone,

00:08:20.980 and those are all just liberal MPs behind him, all dressing up,

00:08:24.980 pretending, I guess, that they're blue-collar working Canadians.

00:08:27.260 And his speech that he gave was sort of less than inspiring.

00:08:30.760 He was umming and ahhing his way through.

00:08:33.120 It kind of actually made Justin Trudeau seem articulate in comparison.

00:08:36.980 We have a little clip of him speaking from Hamilton yesterday.

00:08:41.620 We are ready to sit down with the Americans, with the U.S. government.

00:08:47.160 I'm ready to sit down with President Trump at the appropriate time

00:08:50.760 under a position where there's respect for Canadian sovereignty.

00:08:58.300 So I don't know that he's a very clear communicator.

00:09:01.020 I don't think he's had a lot of experience doing this.

00:09:03.180 I mean, he's never been elected for anything ever.

00:09:05.320 He's never been a member of parliament.

00:09:07.200 And so he's not really tested.

00:09:08.960 I think it's a huge risk for the liberals to just, like,

00:09:11.680 draw him into an election.

00:09:12.700 But then on the other hand, you know, I think that the media will cover for him.

00:09:15.760 The media will paint him like a competent hand steering us through rocky times.

00:09:21.380 And so he doesn't know how to do that much.

00:09:23.180 Yes and no.

00:09:23.840 I mean, one thing that's already happened just in the last five days

00:09:27.640 since he was elected is the number of old clips of him that are showing up.

00:09:31.960 They weren't showing up during the campaign

00:09:33.560 because the liberals weren't going to bring him up.

00:09:35.760 And the conservatives weren't actually bringing him up on purpose, I think.

00:09:39.660 Now that he's the leader, now it's being unleashed.

00:09:42.540 They show old videos of him saying all sorts of things like, you know,

00:09:46.100 how he feels about the carbon tax, the true carny.

00:09:50.340 So that's coming out.

00:09:51.380 As for that meeting yesterday, that, you know, he purposely picked that steel mill

00:09:57.320 because, again, some of his earlier comments on steel,

00:10:00.840 like he literally made a comment about a month ago during the campaign

00:10:04.320 that I'm going to transfer the carbon tax away from consumers,

00:10:08.900 put it on big producers.

00:10:10.240 Somebody brought up steel.

00:10:11.340 And then he said, well, people don't use steel anymore.

00:10:13.800 So he was trying to backpedal that.

00:10:15.860 And that's what we saw yesterday.

00:10:18.880 And the other part of yesterday is he sneaks in and out.

00:10:22.620 Like even the media can't get to him.

00:10:25.900 They're still sheltering him from the media.

00:10:27.960 They don't want him answering off-the-cuff questions

00:10:30.400 because he has no answers.

00:10:32.140 Or he'll tell the truth, which is very problematic.

00:10:35.940 Yeah.

00:10:36.420 I mean, we know what he really believes

00:10:37.900 because he hasn't been shy about it.

00:10:39.960 And like, you know, you're talking about how he was,

00:10:42.300 there are old clips circulating of him saying stuff.

00:10:45.220 It's not like they're even that old.

00:10:46.600 It's like things from a month ago or two months ago or three months ago

00:10:49.560 where he's saying that we need a shadow carbon tax.

00:10:51.880 So, you know, he's saying, let's get rid of the carbon tax

00:10:54.480 because nobody likes it and it is divisive.

00:10:56.640 Well, we know how he feels.

00:10:58.360 He wrote a 600-page book.

00:11:00.380 And one of his values apparently is to be modest.

00:11:03.260 But while being modest, he's touting a 600-page book.

00:11:06.860 Right.

00:11:07.620 And yeah, and in there he talks about the urgent need

00:11:11.180 to implement all kinds of regulations and taxes in the economy

00:11:14.540 to basically shut down fossil fuels

00:11:17.160 or at least reduce our dependence on them.

00:11:21.420 And so we know what he really believes.

00:11:22.940 I think to me the question is whether or not the media is going to push this guy,

00:11:28.400 whether we're going to have the true role of a media,

00:11:31.540 which is to try to, you know, push the people in power,

00:11:35.320 get the truth, help Canadians understand who he is.

00:11:38.200 My concern is that the media is so in the bag for the Liberals,

00:11:41.480 are so dependent on the taxpayer money that the Liberals have given them

00:11:44.740 to sustain their industry that they're not going to.

00:11:47.140 It's going to be a walk in the park for Mark Carney.

00:11:49.340 He's never going to be tested.

00:11:50.240 He's not going to be chased and pressed to answer these sorts of questions.

00:11:55.360 The media is just going to take it face value.

00:11:56.840 OK, he doesn't want to talk about carbon taxes.

00:11:59.420 Let's not press him on that.

00:12:01.080 Let's just move on to something else focused more negatively on Pierre Polyev.

00:12:04.980 Clyde, what do you think?

00:12:06.540 What do you think is going to happen?

00:12:08.560 Well, I think Liberal voters, I mean, the Canadians are voted.

00:12:11.460 They're primed to vote Liberal.

00:12:12.920 When we saw they when ahead of Justin Trudeau stepping down, we had MPs coming to the news

00:12:19.180 and saying, I have my constituents calling me up and saying, I love you.

00:12:24.180 We want to have you as our MP.

00:12:26.420 But if Justin Trudeau is the leader, we're not going to vote for you.

00:12:29.080 We're going to switch to the Conservatives.

00:12:30.500 As soon as Justin Trudeau stepped down, this is this is where I think the polling is coming

00:12:34.340 from.

00:12:34.620 I think it's people going back to, you know, sit with their Liberal MPs and be happy with

00:12:40.420 that because Justin Trudeau is not the leader.

00:12:42.700 Now, Mark Carney is not going to be any better than Justin Trudeau.

00:12:44.960 He's more of the same.

00:12:46.780 He's bringing in roughly the same cabinet.

00:12:49.320 I mean, we got the announcement that Marco Mendicino is coming in and same with David Lamedi.

00:12:53.820 So we are getting a Justin Trudeau 2.0.

00:12:56.360 It's just they're they're they're masking it.

00:12:58.180 And this is something that came up in our live stream last night that, you know, we have

00:13:01.640 Pierre Polyev with Axe the Tax and we have Mark Carney with Mask the Tax because he's

00:13:06.500 bringing it in.

00:13:07.660 It's he's just he's just making it look like we don't have that by getting rid of the

00:13:11.080 consumer side of it.

00:13:12.020 It's going to be much bigger, actually.

00:13:13.960 Yeah.

00:13:14.160 Well, like Clyde's referring to liberals like Ken McDonald in Newfoundland, right?

00:13:18.940 He said it two, three times, like my constituents want me want Trudeau to step down.

00:13:23.960 They didn't say they don't want liberals.

00:13:25.500 They literally said they want Trudeau to step down.

00:13:27.480 And let's face it, for the last 157 years, liberals have been in power 70 percent of the

00:13:33.680 time in this country.

00:13:34.680 I mean, it is our it is our tendency.

00:13:36.900 We vote liberal.

00:13:39.060 Yeah, I mean, and that's sort of what the latest polls are showing.

00:13:43.300 So I want to jump to the polls.

00:13:45.220 Leger released a poll just over the weekend that found that the liberals and the conservatives

00:13:50.560 are now tied at 37 percent.

00:13:54.460 And I mean, this is like this is this shows that the strong lead that Pierre Polyev had

00:14:02.540 just two months ago may be completely gone.

00:14:06.640 This is modeled out is even more terrifying because it shows a clear liberal lead, possibly

00:14:13.740 even a liberal majority government.

00:14:15.360 So it would result in the liberals getting 176 seats, the conservatives 137.

00:14:21.300 And this is what the map of Canada would look like.

00:14:23.580 You can see the greater Toronto area almost entirely going back to the liberals, Atlantic

00:14:28.120 Canada, again, going back to being red and much more red even throughout the prairies.

00:14:33.600 And so, I mean, this isn't this isn't some fringe polling company.

00:14:37.520 This isn't Frank Braves putting up liberal propaganda.

00:14:40.480 Leger is the gold standard.

00:14:41.960 They are considered the best pollsters in Canada.

00:14:44.300 And so if this is the position that we now face ourselves, that we now find ourselves

00:14:48.260 in, I think it's a big, big problem and a major concern for the conservatives.

00:14:52.140 It's a problem.

00:14:53.080 It's similar to 2021.

00:14:54.580 I mean, in 2021, we all thought we were facing an open net and and we couldn't and the conservatives

00:14:59.540 couldn't do it because mostly of of the mainstream media getting behind the liberals.

00:15:05.600 I just want to say one thing, too.

00:15:06.900 I agree that the Leger polls are pretty good.

00:15:09.060 But the other thing, if you believe the election of the Carney's election results, they put

00:15:15.600 them up on their website and you could go look at them.

00:15:18.160 Carney won all the writings.

00:15:19.620 Right.

00:15:19.760 So when you voted in the liberal leadership, your vote was still assigned to the writing

00:15:24.340 where you lived.

00:15:25.160 And he defeated Freeland and he defeated Gould and Bayless in their own writings.

00:15:31.940 And so so liberals came out and they voted for change and they're going to try and capitalize

00:15:37.560 on that.

00:15:38.300 So so that's for me, that's the most interesting thing that I want to look at tomorrow is who

00:15:43.800 made it into Carney's cabinet and who didn't, because that's the tough navigation for him.

00:15:49.920 That's another big factor we overlook.

00:15:51.600 He does have 40 liberal MPs who said they weren't running again.

00:15:55.960 And then because of the leadership race, it did force partisanship within their group.

00:16:01.380 Right. 0.99

00:16:01.580 Freeland's a big loser. 0.98

00:16:02.620 And then Freeland had a solid 30 or 40 MPs who threw their name behind her. 0.98

00:16:07.680 And then and then Carney had his camp.

00:16:10.120 So he's got to navigate that.

00:16:11.560 And I think he made a weird choice yesterday by choosing Marco Mendocino as his chief of staff

00:16:16.900 to help him do that.

00:16:17.880 But again, there's there's some really bad blood with Mendocino and the cabinet.

00:16:21.700 So I think we're going to see.

00:16:24.160 A divided liberal party emerge from this thing, it's not going to be as united as we think,

00:16:29.820 and that perhaps could be one reason why he might want to delay an election, because he's

00:16:34.240 going to I think he's going to have a divided party.

00:16:36.780 Yeah, a lot of interesting dates.

00:16:38.740 When Trudeau stepped down on January 6th, he said that part of the reason that he was stepping

00:16:43.800 down was because of these internal divides within his own party.

00:16:47.500 But then if you looked at the liberal leadership results that came out on Sunday evening, it

00:16:52.000 didn't seem like a divided party at all.

00:16:54.040 You know, 85 percent of the people voting went for Carney.

00:16:58.060 And I think there is a fact that some 60 percent of liberal members did not vote.

00:17:02.960 Yeah, not a not a divided part, but we don't know what happened to those two hundred and

00:17:08.460 fifty thousand voters, not a divided party.

00:17:12.300 You're right.

00:17:12.780 So that statistically, the the the membership voted for Carney, but it divided, call it a

00:17:18.020 divided cabinet or a divided caucus.

00:17:20.060 Call it a divided caucus, because, like I said, that 40, a third of his caucus said they're

00:17:27.140 not running again.

00:17:28.200 And then the other two thirds that are running again, a line behind Carney and Freeland.

00:17:32.500 So he's got that problem to navigate.

00:17:34.720 Interesting.

00:17:35.220 What do you think, Clyde?

00:17:36.100 Well, you look at the their actual election.

00:17:39.240 We had they were both like they were bragging about the fact that they got four hundred thousand

00:17:43.180 new members and somehow they none of them turned up to vote except one hundred and fifty

00:17:47.280 thousand people.

00:17:48.100 A number of people were disqualified for what reason?

00:17:51.140 A number of candidates were disqualified for what reasons?

00:17:54.380 Weren't very they weren't very forthcoming with all of this information.

00:17:58.220 It doesn't seem like a fair election by any standard.

00:18:02.560 So I think he was he was selected to be the leader of the liberals.

00:18:07.020 And I think there's some cynicism.

00:18:08.180 And that's why that's why the vote swung so far towards him.

00:18:12.580 Yeah.

00:18:12.680 The election results.

00:18:13.700 If you if you didn't know what had happened and you just look at the election results,

00:18:18.700 it looks transparent.

00:18:19.980 It looks one sided.

00:18:21.440 It looks unified.

00:18:22.320 It looks all those things.

00:18:24.140 And the more you look at it, the more it looks suspicious, the more it looks fabricated

00:18:27.680 to to to make everybody think that Carney's the guy.

00:18:31.340 Yeah.

00:18:31.520 It's sort of what they do in third world countries. 0.57

00:18:32.860 Right.

00:18:33.040 They say, like, look, we got a we held an election and our leader got ninety nine percent

00:18:37.040 and everyone voted and there was no coercion whatsoever.

00:18:40.260 You know, when someone's running up the scoreboard like that, it really makes you question it.

00:18:43.920 I want to move a little bit to back to the United States and potentially what will be

00:18:48.140 the ballot box question.

00:18:49.860 I'm sure the liberals would love this to be the ballot box question, to be a question

00:18:52.840 on President Trump and what we think of him as opposed to what we think of Mark Carney

00:18:58.240 and the liberals.

00:18:59.360 But just to go through the news again, yesterday in a CBS News interview, U.S. Commerce Secretary

00:19:06.400 Howard Lutnick said that Trump needed to break some guy in Ontario who is going to tax American

00:19:11.640 energy and that he breaks him.

00:19:13.360 He breaks him in a tweet.

00:19:14.600 So we see the Americans almost sort of doing a victory lap about this idea that Doug Ford

00:19:19.000 has folded, that he will no longer try to tax electricity going to the U.S.

00:19:22.600 Let's play this clip.

00:19:23.560 Nobody expected him to announce 50 percent tariffs this morning.

00:19:28.300 He needed to break some guy in Ontario who said he was going to tax American energy 25 percent.

00:19:36.400 The president of the United States in the White House says, oh, no, you won't and breaks

00:19:42.260 him.

00:19:43.260 Breaks him in what?

00:19:44.780 By a tweet and a truth.

00:19:49.140 It's true.

00:19:49.980 But in here in Canada, I saw a lot of people do victory laps saying that Ford had defeated

00:19:57.520 Trump somehow or other.

00:19:58.720 So, I mean, you know, calling it 4D, 5D chess.

00:20:03.440 I'm going to give this one to Trump.

00:20:05.800 OK, well, here we have Donald Trump speaking in the Oval Office on Wednesday.

00:20:12.000 Just, again, kind of reiterating this point that Ford's little threat didn't work.

00:20:16.580 Let's play that clip.

00:20:17.160 This is not going to be a tough battle, in my opinion, not going to be tough.

00:20:22.100 Just like when Ontario charged us, everybody said, oh, they just said this would be one

00:20:27.180 in one hour.

00:20:28.540 And they announced what we were going to do and they withdrew their little threat.

00:20:34.900 Oops.

00:20:35.540 So, yeah.

00:20:37.660 I love Trump.

00:20:38.300 What do you think there, Marty?

00:20:41.660 No, yeah.

00:20:43.720 You know, score one for Trump.

00:20:45.620 I mean, it's going to go back and forth.

00:20:47.160 Score one for Trump.

00:20:49.720 And by the way, that threat of cutting off power, it almost amounted to that, right?

00:20:57.780 Cutting off power.

00:20:58.600 That's almost an act of war.

00:21:00.220 I mean, you know, like same with people have said Alberta should, you know, we're being

00:21:04.040 pressured here to cut off our oil.

00:21:05.780 That's an act of war if you cut off something that critical to another nation.

00:21:10.600 And then we also had, I mean, I think, I honestly think to the original comment, will

00:21:17.820 it be the ballot question?

00:21:18.960 I don't think it will be because I honestly think this tariff war will be over in about

00:21:22.920 three weeks.

00:21:23.580 It's already over.

00:21:24.520 Like it's done, the salvos have been launched, and now we deal with the facts of it, or some

00:21:29.560 of it gets taken away.

00:21:31.720 But it's not going to be an ongoing battle.

00:21:34.320 The battle's happened.

00:21:35.440 It's already happened.

00:21:36.680 What about the second phase, though?

00:21:37.860 So we were told that the first phase of tariffs were over drugs and over dealing with fentanyl

00:21:42.440 and illegal immigration.

00:21:43.680 And then the April 2nd tariffs are going to be about evening the playing field or kind

00:21:49.600 of retribution for Canada's domestic subsidies.

00:21:52.660 Do you think that that could bring this all back to the forefront?

00:21:55.920 What do you think, Clyde?

00:21:56.800 So this is an interesting one because Donald Trump's taking the tactics of everyone in

00:22:01.740 Canada.

00:22:02.220 He's saying reciprocal tariffs is the way to go to get rid of tariffs.

00:22:06.040 Well, the problem is, is a lot of Canadians don't realize that we have ongoing tariffs.

00:22:10.520 Canada's been a real bad actor in this realm with huge tariffs.

00:22:15.620 And, you know, our supply management system, we've talked at length about that, but that's

00:22:19.700 not the extent of it.

00:22:20.780 We have, you know, protectionism across the board.

00:22:24.000 And Canada has got to stop doing that if they want to survive this, come out of this one,

00:22:30.140 unless they want to isolate themselves, which I don't think that is the right plan for Canada.

00:22:34.560 But what will end up having to happen is, you know, political leaders will have to touch

00:22:38.680 that third rail of, you know, supply management, which, you know, we know can make or break

00:22:44.200 politicians in this country.

00:22:45.700 But I think I think Donald Trump is doing that on purpose.

00:22:48.500 But at the end of the day, they want fair trade, we should be moving towards that.

00:22:53.420 And I think I think we can all come to the table and say, things need to be discussed

00:22:58.720 on this on this.

00:22:59.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think Trump got what he wanted from the tariff threats.

00:23:03.760 Actually, an interesting clip yesterday, I don't know if you saw that one.

00:23:06.900 But the the the president of Ireland visited the White House yesterday.

00:23:11.400 And that was hilarious, because that guy was doing like, he almost showed up like on on

00:23:16.260 on all fours saying, like, please don't hurt me, please don't hurt me.

00:23:19.520 And he literally went on a rant about here's what we're buying from you guys.

00:23:23.340 Like, that's all he talked about the poor president of Ireland.

00:23:27.180 So Trump's put the fear in a lot of world leaders.

00:23:31.560 And yeah, he's accomplished what he wanted.

00:23:33.120 So yeah, I don't think this will be a ballot question.

00:23:35.440 Or hopefully it's not.

00:23:37.020 Well, I hope you're right.

00:23:38.320 And just to touch on something that Clyde mentioned, which is supply management.

00:23:41.400 We talked about this on the show yesterday.

00:23:42.740 Like, there used to be such a strong libertarian sentiment that ran through the Conservative

00:23:47.060 Party, that issues like supply management of dairy was something that was debated.

00:23:51.340 And recall back in 2017, when Maxi Bernier was running for leader of that party, that was

00:23:56.460 sort of like one of his primary platforms was like, we're going to get rid of this sacred

00:24:00.460 cow, this Soviet style supply management system.

00:24:04.860 I don't hear very many people in the Conservative Party talking about that at all.

00:24:08.560 It reminds me that there is this essay written by Pierre Polyev at age 20, circulating online.

00:24:14.560 So this was written back in 1999.

00:24:16.560 Pierre Polyev wrote this essay for an essay contest for Magna International.

00:24:19.840 That's Frank Stronich's auto manufacturing company.

00:24:22.560 I guess he was one of the finalists or one of the winners.

00:24:24.140 And so his essay was published in a magazine.

00:24:26.220 And the archive has been going around online.

00:24:28.680 So I took the time to read it this morning.

00:24:30.680 The essay is called Building Canada Through Freedom.

00:24:32.940 And, you know, interestingly, Pierre Polyev, I mean, his views haven't really changed.

00:24:40.600 He's still pretty consistent in terms of his philosophy.

00:24:43.740 So he basically says, as prime minister, what I would do to improve the living standards is

00:24:48.900 not nearly as important as what I would not do.

00:24:51.500 So the whole essay is like, what would you do as prime minister?

00:24:54.680 20 years old.

00:24:55.920 And he comes up with like a three part plan to basically cut taxes and eliminate growth

00:25:01.140 in government spending.

00:25:01.940 He says that he would eliminate the capital gains tax, that he would raise a personal

00:25:07.640 exemption for income taxes to help the poor, and that he would reduce payroll taxes.

00:25:11.320 So interesting, even at 20, he wasn't like throwing out like wild ideas.

00:25:16.540 It was very pragmatic and very like marginal.

00:25:19.240 But you can see the theme of like, you know, he's devoted to free markets, freedom, and lowering

00:25:26.300 the government and almost like laying out this idea of doge in Canada before.

00:25:31.940 You know, 25 years before Elon Musk did, and he wanted to go through every program in government

00:25:35.640 and see whether it was worthwhile.

00:25:38.140 The one part that is sort of a contradiction to what he believes today, he has a whole section

00:25:43.560 here on democratic reform.

00:25:45.340 He calls for an elected Senate.

00:25:47.440 And then he also says this, I'll just read here because it's pretty interesting.

00:25:52.100 He says, finally, I'd make a personal commitment.

00:25:54.100 I would resign after serving my second term in office.

00:25:57.240 The beauty of genuine democracy is it permits average citizens to serve their country in

00:26:01.400 public office.

00:26:02.600 Politics should not be a lifelong career and elected officials should not be allowed to

00:26:06.200 fix themselves in the halls of power in a nation.

00:26:08.680 And then he later writes that I would therefore institute a two-term limit for members of

00:26:15.400 parliament.

00:26:16.300 So I guess his views on that have changed since he's been in office for some 20 years.

00:26:22.500 But what do you gentlemen think of this idea of Canada having freedom, building Canada

00:26:30.480 through freedom?

00:26:31.440 I'll go to you, Clyde.

00:26:32.260 Sorry about that.

00:26:32.820 I still have a landline, which can't be muted.

00:26:36.560 So I like a lot of Pierre's ideas.

00:26:39.860 And obviously the one about term limits, I mean, I don't know how a politician could become

00:26:44.620 prime minister with only two terms, unless you're Mark Carney, which you don't have to

00:26:49.280 be a politician to get yourself in there.

00:26:51.200 But not everyone's a billionaire.

00:26:52.640 And not all Canadians are billionaires and can't get themselves in that position.

00:26:56.160 I think it takes a little while politically to get to work yourself up to running for prime

00:27:00.480 minister.

00:27:00.760 So if you were to say two terms for the prime minister office, that could be a possibility.

00:27:07.680 I'm definitely for an elected Senate.

00:27:11.000 I would go even further and I'd say we should be electing all kinds of other positions.

00:27:15.400 You should be electing your sheriff.

00:27:17.180 We should be electing judges in Canada.

00:27:20.340 That's just my purview.

00:27:21.540 But Pierre Pauly has a lot of good takes on a lot of things.

00:27:24.800 He's just been quiet about those good takes lately.

00:27:26.940 And I think this is why he's falling in the polls.

00:27:28.760 Is he's talking, you know, these points about about reciprocal tariffs.

00:27:33.720 He's talking about Ukraine.

00:27:35.300 He's talking about things that just don't resonate with the average conservative in

00:27:38.460 Canada or, you know, just fence sitters.

00:27:40.880 People who are like, you know, sick of the liberals.

00:27:42.920 When he sounds a lot like the liberals right now, he's not going to pull very well at all.

00:27:47.880 I think he should get back to his roots.

00:27:49.240 And I think he should be more bolsterous about his roots and his opinions that he's had in

00:27:53.040 the past.

00:27:53.900 Be proud of him.

00:27:54.960 Wear them on his sleeve and not be apologetic about it at all.

00:27:59.260 In fact, be the Pierre Pauly that we got used to in the campaign for the conservative leadership

00:28:03.560 where he was unapologetic and he would take on the media about these things.

00:28:07.560 He doesn't seem to be doing that.

00:28:08.680 And I think it's reflecting in the polls.

00:28:10.580 What do you think, Marty?

00:28:12.640 A lot to unpack there.

00:28:14.200 I mean, I wish Pierre would stick to that essay.

00:28:17.600 I haven't read that essay, but I remember hearing about it.

00:28:21.220 And they are his core values and I wish he would stick to it.

00:28:24.460 The problem in Canada is that the people that advise Pierre, the strategists, they read it

00:28:33.040 differently and somehow or other they're scared to be true conservatives.

00:28:37.600 I think that's one of the problems with Pierre right now is the people on his campaign who

00:28:41.580 are leading his campaign.

00:28:42.700 I've been told this all the time.

00:28:43.720 Oh, trust, trust, trust.

00:28:44.760 You know, he's got some pretty good strategists.

00:28:46.320 I'm like the same guys who advise Scheer and O'Toole before him.

00:28:50.120 Pick a different path, folks, because whatever the conservatives have been doing in this country

00:28:55.100 for 15 years now hasn't worked very well.

00:28:58.500 So maybe a different path.

00:29:00.520 Well, it's interesting because from my perspective, I think that Pierre Pauly, like the thing I

00:29:03.960 liked about him was that he's very sure of himself.

00:29:05.940 He was very confident, especially when he was interacting with the media, right?

00:29:08.940 Like he wasn't on his heels and sort of apologizing for being conservative.

00:29:13.500 He had no problem smacking down a bad question, calling out the journalist and trying to hit

00:29:18.580 like the premise, being like your premise is wrong and here is why.

00:29:22.800 And and, you know, even forget about the policies.

00:29:25.200 It was more like his attitude and his confidence.

00:29:27.740 And then what I saw happen was after Trudeau resigned, he sort of became like a little bit

00:29:32.960 unsure of like what the what the mood of the country was, what the questions were.

00:29:37.460 And so he sort of came back into the sort of I don't know exactly how to say it, but

00:29:43.560 the confidence is a default position.

00:29:45.640 He's famous for this.

00:29:46.880 He's famous for this rather than just come out and say, hey, Trudeau's gone.

00:29:50.880 And this is my stance.

00:29:52.680 He's waiting to see he's being too much of a politician, which is waiting to see what

00:29:57.240 the popular opinion is.

00:29:59.020 And then he'll weigh in on something.

00:30:00.680 And people have been asking him a long time, weigh in before the poll results come in.

00:30:05.860 You know, somebody told me this didn't tell me, but I read this online yesterday or maybe

00:30:10.900 somebody shared it with me.

00:30:11.840 But somebody was talking to a friend of theirs who's an actor.

00:30:15.460 And that actor said that his his interpretation of Pierre, he looked at him through the lens

00:30:21.600 of an actor and he said, Pierre's changed.

00:30:23.720 He said, Pierre's changed recently.

00:30:25.260 Something's changed in his demeanor, in his mood, everything.

00:30:28.640 So, yeah, maybe maybe he's nervous.

00:30:32.320 Yeah, I kind of catch that, too.

00:30:33.380 Like, it almost feels like he's back in the mode that Aaron O'Toole and Andrew Scheer were

00:30:39.120 both stuck in, which is like waiting, reacting, like not leading the narrative and not having

00:30:45.380 that that built in confidence.

00:30:46.700 So I was actually happy there was a press conference and a clip of Polyev circulating 0.98

00:30:51.760 around on Monday.

00:30:53.280 And so I think this is Pierre at his best.

00:30:54.900 Right.

00:30:55.060 So I'm going to show you a clip.

00:30:56.120 You can see that the journalist is asking like a very loaded kind of gotcha question,

00:31:00.400 like what kind of experience do you have to deal with Donald Trump?

00:31:04.860 And then Polyev kind of like hits his stride here.

00:31:07.740 So I think I think this is him as his best.

00:31:09.280 And this is what he needs to channel during the election to do well.

00:31:12.580 So this is a bit of a long clip, 51 seconds.

00:31:14.420 But you'll see the loaded question and then Pierre's response just goes better and better.

00:31:18.620 So let's play that clip.

00:31:20.240 What economic and diplomatic experience do you have to go up against Donald Trump?

00:31:25.520 Oh, quite a lot, actually.

00:31:27.120 So I was the minister of jobs and housing in the Harper government, during which time

00:31:33.320 housing costs half as much as it does today.

00:31:36.680 I helped Mr. Harper cut the GST, cut income tax, cut business tax and balance the budget.

00:31:44.420 Over my time in Parliament, I've been scrutinizing and studying the books on the Public Accounts

00:31:52.980 Committee, the Operations Committee, the Finance Committee.

00:31:56.080 And if you want any proof that my economic ideas are the best, the Liberals are all trying

00:32:01.480 to pretend that they're copying them right before the election.

00:32:04.480 All the big economic questions of the last five years.

00:32:08.320 Mark Carney has been wrong and exactly wrong.

00:32:11.360 And I have been right.

00:32:13.440 So I think I think that that point is sort of hitting his stride.

00:32:16.840 And that's like the old Pierre that we like.

00:32:19.160 I want to see more of that.

00:32:20.680 What do you think there, Clyde?

00:32:22.120 Well, I definitely want to see more of that.

00:32:24.220 What we've been seeing recently is not Pierre Polyev, but PR Polyev.

00:32:28.700 And that's that's really what we want to get away from, because that's that's the old

00:32:32.000 strategy.

00:32:32.420 We're like living in the 1990s with the conservatives and their their political strategy.

00:32:37.340 We need to move into this new era of politics.

00:32:40.640 And this new era is bolsterous.

00:32:42.760 It's proud.

00:32:44.120 It's you know, people want to compare him to Trump.

00:32:46.740 We'll own that.

00:32:47.860 Own that.

00:32:48.280 They're going to compare him to Trump anyway.

00:32:49.660 Why just be proud and bolsterous about your ideas and take on the media?

00:32:54.780 You'll probably get more airtime for doing that if because in campaigns, airtime is is

00:33:00.540 key.

00:33:00.980 You want to be in on cameras.

00:33:02.840 You want to be in front of the media.

00:33:04.500 You want them to be showing your face all the time.

00:33:06.740 If they're showing Pierre Polyev more than Pierre Polyev is going to get more votes.

00:33:10.520 This is just the way things work.

00:33:12.060 And if he's if he's challenging them, they're going to they're going to go into peer derangement

00:33:17.100 syndrome.

00:33:17.440 And that's the best thing that can happen for Canadian politics on the right.

00:33:21.580 If he's he's avoiding that and he'll do that to you know, he's he's he's almost, you

00:33:26.260 know, like going to he he could lose.

00:33:29.900 He could lose if he keeps going down this strategy.

00:33:31.460 And that clip, that clip shows that he has the core set of values that haven't changed.

00:33:36.940 Right.

00:33:37.220 So when you get put on the spot by a question, if you're if your narrative never changes

00:33:41.620 because you believe in it, then it's easy because you could see it in his eyes.

00:33:44.840 He's like, oh, and this, oh, and this like he's probably getting flooded with stuff that

00:33:48.940 he wants to say, but he has his 50 seconds to do it.

00:33:51.880 I think he should own that essay of his.

00:33:55.320 It is his essay.

00:33:56.400 It is true to him.

00:33:57.500 And if somebody says this has changed or this has changed, you go, yeah, I wrote that 25

00:34:01.600 years ago and I've matured a little bit.

00:34:04.080 But at the core, like focus on the core of the essay and say at the core, this is what

00:34:07.820 I am.

00:34:08.260 I'm a conservative.

00:34:10.140 Get out there on that campaign trail.

00:34:11.700 I mean, what he does well, like, you know, yeah, Carney Carney goes to a steel factory

00:34:15.660 and has to surround himself with with actors, whereas we know that Pierre keep doing what

00:34:22.160 you're doing.

00:34:22.580 Go to that steel factory.

00:34:23.820 Talk to the workers in the parking lot afterwards.

00:34:26.060 Invite the media.

00:34:27.000 Come on.

00:34:27.520 Yeah, I think there's a I've said this on a few shows lately.

00:34:32.660 There is a very solid path to victory for Pierre and and I hope they find it and get on that

00:34:40.300 path.

00:34:41.240 You know, well, it's interesting that we're talking about, you know, it's 2025 and you

00:34:45.280 need to take a modern approach.

00:34:46.540 I think so many ways Pierre has done that.

00:34:48.320 And it's interesting because because of Trudeau government regulation with regards to news

00:34:52.460 media and how we can operate on social media news.

00:34:56.120 Canadian news outlets cannot have a presence on Facebook or Instagram.

00:34:59.940 And I think that Pierre probably have used that to his advantage because he didn't have

00:35:03.740 to speak to Canadians through the filter of the media.

00:35:06.160 He could just go out and speak to them directly.

00:35:08.320 And so much of his strategy that really propelled him to such a large lead in the polls was just

00:35:13.860 him on social media, putting out these really polished documentaries, explaining issues like

00:35:19.400 in a really clear and precise way.

00:35:21.720 And that really helped him.

00:35:23.920 I haven't seen as much of that, but I did want to tie this to a clip that really went viral

00:35:28.620 among Canadian politicos and commentators.

00:35:31.940 From last week, a high profile, large audience, American podcaster named Patrick Bette David

00:35:38.540 criticized Pierre Polyev and told him that he's made a huge mistake by not going on more

00:35:43.920 podcasts, so not meeting maybe Canadians or young men where they are, which is on these

00:35:49.220 sort of alternative platforms and podcasts where you can just sit down and have a real

00:35:52.660 conversation.

00:35:53.520 I know you guys have both commented on this, but I want to, for our audience, play a bit of

00:35:57.240 a clip and then we can all react to it.

00:36:00.080 Every time we invited Pierre, arrogant, pompous team, the only podcast he ever did is Jordan

00:36:06.900 Peterson.

00:36:08.160 So let me get this straight.

00:36:09.820 You saw Millay win because he went everywhere.

00:36:13.220 You saw Bukele win, he went everywhere.

00:36:15.940 You saw Trump win because he went everywhere.

00:36:18.700 You saw Bobby win because he went everywhere.

00:36:21.040 You saw Vivek become a super sub because he went everywhere.

00:36:23.400 And you don't?

00:36:24.300 You deserve losing everything.

00:36:27.240 So it's not wrong, but he, and he mentioned team, right?

00:36:31.240 He said, Pierre's team, that's his handlers that are, that are not adapting.

00:36:36.980 Well, it's interesting because I mean, he, he did come on to my podcast and like, it took

00:36:42.720 a while for me to, to, to get to him and to, to convince him to do that.

00:36:46.340 But like, I don't have a huge audience like some of those Americans do, but I don't, I

00:36:50.520 don't see why he wouldn't just go out and go on to Joe Rogan, go on to like some of these

00:36:54.860 big podcasts.

00:36:55.600 It was great that he did a Jordan Peterson show and I got, I think millions of views.

00:36:59.940 So he should do more of that, but he isn't.

00:37:03.220 And I don't know why.

00:37:03.920 I don't know if that's because his team is too cautious and they're blocking him from

00:37:07.600 doing that.

00:37:08.180 The team is just, is risk averse.

00:37:10.440 They, they, they're, they're playing it safe and playing it safe is, is coming in second

00:37:14.920 place.

00:37:15.300 That that's really what it's going to come down to.

00:37:17.020 And then they don't control the material and that drives them nuts, right?

00:37:20.140 They want to have the B roll or whatever you call it.

00:37:22.560 And, and, and, uh, they're afraid.

00:37:24.000 I mean, that was why, that was why Carney didn't want anybody at his event the other

00:37:27.480 day in Calgary is because we're recording.

00:37:30.820 You could see that you can see what they produce during their events and what makes it out in

00:37:35.440 public versus what we produce when we're there.

00:37:37.780 So, um, yeah, 6 million views, I think he got within one day for going on Jordan Peterson

00:37:43.180 and like, I'll, I'll, I'll say it.

00:37:45.760 I mean, I got 120,000 followers.

00:37:48.060 Clyde has 150,000 followers.

00:37:49.780 You got a hundred and probably 300,000 followers, right?

00:37:52.760 I mean, there's a million people that'll, that'll watch the us, uh, if he comes on our

00:37:58.240 show and it's free and it's quick.

00:38:00.240 And if he does a good job, poof.

00:38:03.100 Yeah.

00:38:03.440 Yeah.

00:38:04.420 People have lost the, the, the, the appetite for slogans and, and short form content.

00:38:11.140 People want to see authenticity.

00:38:13.380 And this is what won Donald Trump, won Millay their, their elections.

00:38:17.040 They went out, they were vulnerable, but they were, they were prepared.

00:38:20.320 And we know Pierre comes to the table prepared.

00:38:23.220 He can, he can withstand a three hour interview if it came down to it and, and, and come out

00:38:28.400 on top of that.

00:38:29.380 Now, none of the other candidates can do that.

00:38:31.400 And this is, what's going to win elections in this new thing.

00:38:34.260 Now, what they're trying to do is, is, is get the vote of the liberal Torontonians.

00:38:39.640 This is the strategy.

00:38:41.700 Quit that strategy.

00:38:42.760 Let's talk about getting people who are fence sitters who haven't voted before, maybe vote

00:38:47.660 occasionally, but they're, they're not going to be too excited when they see Pierre come

00:38:51.660 out and, and give honest, long form opinions on things.

00:38:55.960 This is what will get people who haven't voted energized.

00:38:59.140 This could win him the election massively.

00:39:01.640 And I'm talking at a, at a giant margin.

00:39:04.040 This is what people are craving.

00:39:05.160 Where the, the, the lowest voting demographic is the young male.

00:39:09.860 So like, if you wake up the young male as a voter, not as a, not in, you know, like you,

00:39:15.260 it's not enough to just wake them up.

00:39:16.940 You got to get them to vote.

00:39:18.260 Young males don't vote. 0.99

00:39:19.540 So get young males to vote and yeah, go on the podcast here.

00:39:23.020 That would be a, yeah.

00:39:24.780 Well, it's interesting, Clyde, that you mentioned the GTA and the Toronto voter.

00:39:28.520 Cause if we can go back to that map of Canada, the Leger poll, it shows like, it's really

00:39:33.980 unbelievable how this has flipped because I'm telling you like two months ago that that

00:39:37.760 bottom right corner that shows greater Toronto, like most of those seats were blue, all of

00:39:41.640 the suburbs, obviously there's still a few downtown writings that will basically always

00:39:45.100 go liberal.

00:39:46.120 But you see that that has now flipped at least according to this poll.

00:39:50.620 And so Pierre strategy of not trying to upset those voters and not trying to, I guess, alienate

00:39:57.520 them by being too much of a conservative or talking too much about freedom that hasn't

00:40:01.340 worked.

00:40:01.760 Like he's lost his voters anyway, according to this poll.

00:40:04.800 So like I, from my perspective, he has to do something and I would love to see him go

00:40:09.720 out there and go onto some of these big podcasts, but then you see the pushback that's happening.

00:40:14.360 Like I already saw it when that Patrick, that David clip was going viral of some kind of like

00:40:20.100 establishment conservatives, for instance, Jason Kenney, former premier of Alberta came out

00:40:24.800 and said, like, why would Pierre do your show? 0.98

00:40:26.940 You platformed Andrew Tate, who is a misogynist and a rapist, which is true. 0.90

00:40:31.760 But this idea of like guilt by association, like I can't do trouble. 0.90

00:40:34.680 Yeah, why are we doing that?

00:40:36.660 Why is the right doing that?

00:40:38.720 I agree.

00:40:39.280 I don't think we should do that.

00:40:40.220 I think you should go to where the audience is.

00:40:42.080 And if young males, like you said, Marty, are watching these podcasts, and that is what

00:40:46.720 helped J.D. Vance and President Trump have their opinions.

00:40:50.240 They change people's opinions of them, then Polyev should do the same thing and forget 0.99

00:40:54.800 about the risk-averse cancel culture people that will say, like, how dare you go on a

00:40:58.500 platform that had someone else that I don't like?

00:41:00.540 I'll say this to Pierre, right?

00:41:02.000 So you showed that map in that bottom corner, Toronto, right?

00:41:05.400 The five largest companies in Canada are banks.

00:41:10.140 So the five largest companies in Canada are the TD Bank, National Bank, Toronto Dominion,

00:41:14.440 and they're all based out of Toronto, and Polyev is protecting those banks if he doesn't go

00:41:21.760 after Toronto, and those banks are actually one of the biggest targets of Trump's right

00:41:28.020 now.

00:41:29.140 And like, I would take advantage right now, the TD Bank got hit with a $3 billion penalty

00:41:36.500 for money laundering.

00:41:39.160 And the president of the TD Bank walks away, he just resigns, his term is done next week. 0.82

00:41:46.960 And so hammer the banks, it sucks, but hammer the banks and hammer Ontario, and then you 0.93

00:41:53.200 will gain so much support in the rest of the country. 0.97

00:41:57.020 I mean, the banks used to be actually the number one target of all the politicians in

00:42:00.280 this country.

00:42:00.960 I don't know when they stopped being the targets.

00:42:03.040 Well, I know why, because they're so big and so powerful.

00:42:05.180 So yeah, there's, I think we keep coming back to the same conclusion.

00:42:12.700 The advisors of the conservatives right now, I don't think are doing a very good job of

00:42:17.200 advising Pierre.

00:42:18.640 And me and I are going to get criticized for saying this, and probably you, Candace, because

00:42:22.360 speaking the truth, man, I'm not against Pierre.

00:42:25.200 I like Pierre, and I want him to get it, but we're criticizing his team and his approach.

00:42:29.960 And we think he might be, I think he might miss an open net.

00:42:33.860 Well, something's definitely not working.

00:42:36.000 I mean, the fact that he was so far ahead, and he's not, I will point out that the betting

00:42:40.060 markets are still strongly in favor of a conservative winning.

00:42:43.340 So one Leger poll showing the liberals ahead doesn't necessarily mean this is a done deal

00:42:47.340 and that Polyev has lost.

00:42:49.220 Actually, Marty, you posted this on X yesterday.

00:42:51.840 You said that the Poly market is still predicting a big conservative win.

00:42:55.020 And you can see it's 78% with the liberal 21.

00:42:58.500 And it hasn't really changed.

00:43:00.060 There isn't, you know, it's a plateau.

00:43:01.480 So Pierre Polyev's odds of becoming prime minister haven't changed, at least in the last, I think

00:43:06.680 this shows, just a week.

00:43:08.500 But then Brian Lilly also had a post about the MGM betting markets, and the serious odds

00:43:13.880 are still, again, in favor of the conservatives.

00:43:15.700 Almost a one-to-one chance of them winning, or 1.36, compared to the liberals, up at 2.87.

00:43:23.160 So it's not like they've blown it.

00:43:24.660 It's not like they've lost the election.

00:43:26.080 They still have a very, very good chance.

00:43:27.480 There's still the odds to win.

00:43:29.100 But I think that Polyev has to change something because the momentum has shifted and it's

00:43:34.640 going towards Mark Carney and the liberals, probably, you think.

00:43:38.820 Yeah, well, I absolutely think that he just needs to go back to being himself.

00:43:43.500 Again, it's Pierre Polyev that people like.

00:43:46.520 It's not this PR Polyev, this fake persona.

00:43:51.140 I know he ditched the glasses.

00:43:52.220 He got a new haircut and all of that stuff.

00:43:53.940 Whatever, you got to do what you got to do, but don't become a different character.

00:43:58.020 It's the new character that people are just not resonating towards, as well as, you know,

00:44:03.320 as the liberals move towards his strategy and saying, like, all the talking points, you

00:44:09.300 know, getting rid of the carbon tax, fiscal conservatism, all of this stuff.

00:44:14.060 Own it.

00:44:14.620 Own it.

00:44:15.020 Come out and tell the public.

00:44:16.640 Yeah, great.

00:44:17.400 You're trying to take my ideas.

00:44:19.060 That's fine.

00:44:19.740 But I'll be the one who actually implement them.

00:44:21.440 That's how it's going to come across.

00:44:23.560 And this is what will actually get people to wake up and say, oh, OK, I still like that

00:44:28.620 guy.

00:44:28.940 I still like what he's doing.

00:44:30.400 Step away from this PR strategy stuff from Ottawa.

00:44:33.900 It's terrible.

00:44:34.920 Well, and the other thing is, if the liberals have come towards him in terms of policies

00:44:38.760 like carbon tax, capital gains tax, and some others, I think it creates an opportunity

00:44:42.640 for him to come up with some new strategies, some new policies, sorry, based on his principles

00:44:47.440 of free market, like, why don't we hear like a huge major tax cut or, you know, some other

00:44:51.800 huge reform that will, again, differentiate the liberals from the conservatives, because

00:44:56.560 if the liberals want to run as fiscal conservatives, that's great for me.

00:44:59.060 I'm for that.

00:44:59.780 I'm for everyone being much more conservative.

00:45:01.760 But then I want to see more from the conservatives, maybe on social issues, maybe on some of the

00:45:06.680 woke things that have kind of gone way too far in Canada.

00:45:09.280 Like, let's hear, let's hear different things from Polly.

00:45:12.260 Actually, when you mentioned that, you remind me of another thing I want to point out.

00:45:17.020 The liberals have closed the gap with the conservatives, but it's not that the conservatives

00:45:21.280 dropped, it's that the liberals went up, and the liberals went up in popularity at the

00:45:25.440 expense of the NDP, right?

00:45:26.840 So that's a really important thing to remember.

00:45:29.800 The NDP, they really blew it.

00:45:32.580 Jagmeet, you know, stayed way too long.

00:45:34.740 So, so the conservatives now, strategically, what they need to do is they need to try and

00:45:41.320 find where are they going to find their votes, they're not going to find too many more, they're

00:45:44.600 they're, they're at their high percentage.

00:45:46.240 So they need to keep that, like, they didn't lose ground.

00:45:49.320 That's what I'm trying to say.

00:45:50.380 They didn't lose ground that the liberals regained some, maybe, maybe a strategy would be to

00:45:55.580 promote the NDPs.

00:45:56.760 I don't know.

00:45:57.820 And I would like to add to that the conservatives can come out and talk about Mark Carney and

00:46:02.300 his fiscal conservatism, the whole, his new, newfound liking for that.

00:46:07.040 No, he's not going to be fiscally conservative.

00:46:09.160 He doesn't have a track record of it.

00:46:10.440 Marty called him a one trick pony earlier.

00:46:12.320 What was his one trick?

00:46:13.560 He was turning the money printer on.

00:46:15.120 That's what he's done.

00:46:16.200 He did it.

00:46:16.840 He did it with the Bank of Canada.

00:46:18.040 He did it with the Bank of England.

00:46:19.460 He's largely, I would, I would, I would say that he's largely responsible for the housing

00:46:24.660 bubble in Canada because it's an asset bubble because of interest rates are way too low for way too long.

00:46:30.680 And this is, this is the legacy of Mark Carney.

00:46:33.460 He'll bring on more inflation.

00:46:35.420 He'll bring on more fiscal woes for Canada.

00:46:38.440 And Pierre should really be banking on that.

00:46:41.640 Actually, you know what Pierre should do?

00:46:43.500 Now, this is a very risky thing, but one thing Pierre should do is have a meeting with Trump.

00:46:48.440 Imagine if Pierre has a meeting with Trump before the election and they're buddy buddies,

00:46:53.060 you know, like Brian Mulroney, Ronald Reagan kind of buddy buddies.

00:46:56.380 Like if Trump met him and everything goes good, then Pierre could eat.

00:47:00.600 Like that's the victory I would go after if I was Pierre right now.

00:47:03.780 But that's also risky because you could show up at the White House and end up having a Zelensky moment.

00:47:08.660 Hopefully not.

00:47:11.260 You know, I agree with that.

00:47:13.400 I think that Pierre should do that.

00:47:14.740 But my concern, and I think that this would be the concern of the strategists around Pollyve,

00:47:18.760 I don't know what Pollyve thinks about this, but that it could backfire, 0.98

00:47:21.580 that the liberals could use that image to say, Pollyve, he's just like Trump.

00:47:25.100 And then they would get their wish of running a campaign against Donald Trump.

00:47:28.500 And it would come back to Canadians, right? 0.93

00:47:30.380 Like can Canadians see through that? 1.00

00:47:31.920 How many, what percentage of Canadians have like complete Trump derangement?

00:47:36.140 Like how many of them really drank the Kool-Aid and believe the MSNBC talking points?

00:47:40.380 Because if it's like 20 to 30% of Canadians, then Pollyve could do that and he could win.

00:47:45.100 But if it's like 60 or 70% of Canadians that like wake up in fear of Donald Trump and hate him,

00:47:52.080 then Pollyve doing that would be a total disaster. 1.00

00:47:55.040 Yeah.

00:47:55.320 And on the flip side, I think Carney will avoid it because Carney will not,

00:48:00.600 Carney's not the kind of guy that Trump likes.

00:48:02.860 Trump will not like Carney on face value.

00:48:05.620 He doesn't like bankers and snobs and people like that.

00:48:09.760 So yeah, maybe let's try and encourage that.

00:48:13.080 Carney, go visit Trump and have your Zelensky moment.

00:48:16.120 I think a lot of the people in Canada that have Trump derangement syndrome at the moment

00:48:19.800 are hardcore liberals anyway, and they're not going to vote conservative regardless.

00:48:23.700 So there's no point of pandering to those individuals.

00:48:26.240 Yeah, they'll squeak loudly, but you could use that to your advantage.

00:48:31.140 The more unhinged they get, the better the conservatives will look.

00:48:35.120 So I would say, you know, encourage it, make it happen more often

00:48:38.900 because it'll be a winning strategy long term.

00:48:41.720 I live in an ultra conservative writing and I have weekly book club meetings with my neighbors.

00:48:49.460 And I was surprised at how many of my neighbors don't like Trump.

00:48:53.000 It truly shocked me.

00:48:54.480 And I think what his latest salvo really soured a lot of people.

00:48:58.520 They probably did like Trump in the beginning, but some people truly don't,

00:49:04.160 you know, were shocked by Trump attacking us so viciously in the last little while.

00:49:09.140 Yeah, I can sort of relate to that as well, because I like Trump and I find him hilarious.

00:49:14.240 I don't think he gets enough credit for just being like entertaining and funny.

00:49:17.320 And I think that the team that he's assembled is really good.

00:49:19.740 I love the Make America Healthy Again movement.

00:49:21.660 And there's so much about it that I really like, but I have not liked this.

00:49:24.440 Like, I don't think that a terror for against your closest friend and ally is a good strategy.

00:49:28.200 I don't think that calling Canada the 51st state and repeating the Governor Trudeau thing,

00:49:32.580 even though it is kind of funny, but it's just so unhelpful to Canadian politics,

00:49:36.160 because it has just completely changed the entire conversation in Canada.

00:49:41.900 It's frustrating that an external force that we used to think was for good has derailed our politics so much.

00:49:49.160 And finally, the thing I liked about Trump was that I felt like we were going to have a golden age

00:49:52.780 and that it was going to be this like booming economy.

00:49:54.740 We're finally going to get like the roaring 20s that we were waiting for after COVID.

00:49:58.540 And yet, because of this whole tariff thing, I mean, the stock market is just in an absolute freefall.

00:50:03.660 And it doesn't really feel like we're like anybody's winning at this point.

00:50:07.780 His own citizens and his own advisors are telling him that, hey, Donald, like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:50:12.220 I mean, you know, yeah, to your point, Candace, I think last I looked,

00:50:16.660 the American market had lost $4.5 trillion in market cap.

00:50:20.600 That's a big number.

00:50:22.860 And Americans checked off Trump mostly for economic reasons.

00:50:27.700 Here in Canada, we vote for health care and free checks for whatever reason,

00:50:32.480 whereas Americans truly vote for the economy.

00:50:35.720 And yeah, yeah, Trump, back off a little bit.

00:50:38.940 Let's hear more from Robert Kennedy on making, you know, America healthy

00:50:44.400 and let some of the other people talk for a while.

00:50:46.780 Yeah.

00:50:47.700 What do you think, Clyde?

00:50:48.700 Well, I'd agree.

00:50:49.320 I would agree with that.

00:50:50.120 So I think Trump's going hard.

00:50:53.460 Again, there's two sets of tariffs.

00:50:55.500 There's the punitive ones that are aimed at Canada fixing, Canada and Mexico,

00:51:00.920 fixing their border situation.

00:51:02.680 The issues with narcotics in the country, which are real issues.

00:51:06.680 And we're not, the numbers, the numbers, the 1% numbers, most people would dismiss that

00:51:13.240 with the amount that's actually being trafficked in the country.

00:51:16.700 You don't have to look that far to see it.

00:51:18.460 Sam Cooper's been doing great work on that.

00:51:20.000 The second round of tariffs are reciprocal.

00:51:22.380 And I think that they're fair.

00:51:24.000 In fact, I think that reciprocal tariffs is what our politicians are talking about against

00:51:29.340 Trump and his tariff runs.

00:51:30.660 I think if they would just come to the table and actually negotiate and say, you know, the

00:51:36.880 end goal here is to remove tariffs, that would be a great step in the right direction.

00:51:42.000 Now, there are a lot of, you know, cartels and monopolies in Canada that would suffer tremendously

00:51:47.720 to that.

00:51:48.460 But I think it would take some time.

00:51:50.500 Our economy would transition to a more modern economy.

00:51:54.320 And we could do really well with the United States as good partners.

00:51:57.640 I think that's the direction that he's trying to go.

00:51:59.760 I think he's having a hard time with that because there's pushback.

00:52:03.340 But I think that's the goal in the end.

00:52:05.820 Well, absolutely.

00:52:06.880 Thanks so much.

00:52:07.520 We have Clyde Do Something and Marty Atmarth.

00:52:09.360 Always fun to have you gentlemen on the show.

00:52:11.020 Thank you so much for joining us.

00:52:12.100 Cheers, everyone.

00:52:14.240 All right.

00:52:14.700 That's all the time we have for today.

00:52:15.800 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:52:16.780 I'm Candice Malcolm.

00:52:17.380 This is the Candice Malcolm Show.

00:52:18.100 We'll be back again tomorrow with all the news.

00:52:19.720 Thank you and God bless.

The Candice Malcolm Show - March 13, 2025

Mark Carney to be sworn in on FRIDAY ｜ Mr. Dress Up 2.0 ｜ Liberal’s surging in the polls ｜ Poilievre needs a new strategy

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