The Candice Malcolm Show - August 27, 2025


NO SETTLERS： How Canada is setting up an apartheid system


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27 minutes

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198.05289

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5,513

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92

Misogynist Sentences

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Hate Speech Sentences

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00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show. We have a great episode for you
00:00:06.540 today, folks, and I want to thank today's sponsor, which is Albertans Against No Fault Insurance,
00:00:11.260 but more on them later. So as viewers may know, maybe you don't, I am originally from British
00:00:17.140 Columbia. I was born and raised in Vancouver. I lived in the suburb of Keresdale, which is sort
00:00:21.760 of right in the middle of old Vancouver. When I was a little older, we moved down to Tawasson,
00:00:26.800 where I lived for a few years. I eventually went to high school on Vancouver Island,
00:00:31.040 and then I basically, I went away to university. I went to the University of Alberta. After
00:00:34.900 university, I lived in Vancouver for a very short time. My first job out of university was at the
00:00:39.720 Fraser Institute in Vancouver. So I worked there in 2007. I'm showing off how old I am right now,
00:00:45.320 2007, and then I went to graduate school, and I haven't lived in Vancouver since. I haven't lived
00:00:49.580 there in nearly 20 years. My parents are still out there. My siblings and their families live there,
00:00:54.580 so I visit every year, two times a year sometimes, but I don't live there anymore. So I can't really
00:00:59.040 say that I am a British Columbian anymore, although I am very connected to the province because I grew
00:01:04.100 up there. My family's there. And, you know, it shaped who I am. I love nature. I love spending time
00:01:08.580 outside. And I still, in some ways, you know, am of British Columbia. But nowadays, when I watch what
00:01:15.260 is happening in that province, I'm shocked. I can't believe it. It's like watching a dystopian
00:01:20.780 movie or like a novel about how governments are just heading in the totally wrong direction. It
00:01:27.420 is almost like a farcical example of how things go too far under woke governance. So we're going to
00:01:33.800 dive into that a little bit today, specifically to talk about Joffrey Lake Park, which is a provincial
00:01:39.960 park north of Whistler, up past Pemberton. It's just an absolutely stunning, beautiful part of the
00:01:45.820 province. And you may have been following this story a little bit. So back in April, it was
00:01:51.880 announced by the B.C. government that the Joffrey Lakes Park would be closed to non-Indigenous
00:01:56.940 visitors for 17 days. Yes, you heard that correctly. If you were not Indigenous, you could not step foot
00:02:02.680 in this provincial park. There was a second closure that happened earlier this summer. In June, for 15 more
00:02:09.420 days, the park was closed to everybody but First Nations. So if you are white or if you are an
00:02:16.100 immigrant to Canada, you were not allowed in the park. Yes, in Canada in 2025, we are now blocking
00:02:22.100 public spaces based on race, based on skin color, based on creed. That doesn't sound a lot like Canada,
00:02:28.220 doesn't sound like a free country. Well, it's happening again. In September, the province has now
00:02:32.280 announced a 32-day closure on this park. So I want to try to understand what is happening a little bit
00:02:40.560 more. And I'm pleased to invite a new guest on the program. I've never had her on before. I'm talking
00:02:43.960 to Caroline Elliott. Caroline is a senior fellow at the Aristotle Foundation for Public Policy,
00:02:48.620 and she sits on the board of B.C.'s Public Land Use Society. So, Caroline, welcome to the program.
00:02:54.180 Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much for having me. So I think if it wasn't for
00:02:58.780 your social media presence, we wouldn't know about how wild some of this stuff is. You've
00:03:04.420 done a great job of cataloging it. So can you just explain to the viewer, like, what is happening?
00:03:09.500 What is the rationale? Why is this happening? Thank you. Yeah, I think a lot of this flies under
00:03:14.520 the radar, and it really shouldn't, because I would argue this is probably the single biggest issue
00:03:20.140 facing British Columbia in terms of its future, its cohesiveness, its prosperity. This particular file
00:03:27.800 and the way the provincial government is handling it has been absolutely disastrous. It's causing
00:03:33.380 huge uncertainty from private property to investment to just where we stand as British
00:03:38.640 Columbians amongst one another and how we relate to one another. So it's really, really troubling.
00:03:43.440 With Joffrey Lakes, obviously, you've got two Indigenous groups there who claim title to the land
00:03:49.720 that the park is on. Keep in mind, claiming title is different than actually proving your title in
00:03:55.620 court. So right now, it's provincial land, it's public land, it's a provincial park that's loved
00:04:00.380 by British Columbians, and it's been shut down with the provincial government's endorsement,
00:04:06.020 essentially. It's an increasing number every year, 39 days in 2023. It was 60 days last year,
00:04:13.880 and now we're at 69 days. So you can see where the trend is going. Again, these are just two nations
00:04:18.880 asserting title over one area. There's 200 plus First Nations in BC, and virtually the entirety of the
00:04:25.060 province's landmass is claimed as traditional territory by one nation or another. So you can
00:04:30.340 see why I'm kind of so troubled by where this could end up going in terms of accessing the landmass as
00:04:38.620 a whole across British Columbia. And so what is their justification? Like, why is it that these
00:04:43.620 bands are claiming that they have to have full access to the park that no one else can come there?
00:04:48.560 Well, they're sort of, the way they explain this, they want to do some cultural practices in the
00:04:55.040 park, they want to hunt, they want to harvest. So quite aside from the notion of hunting in a
00:05:01.380 provincial park, which a lot of people might be a little bit uncomfortable with, it's more an issue
00:05:06.560 of, can we actually be shutting down provincial parks on the basis of ethnicity in British Columbia?
00:05:12.380 That's the real fundamental question. The provincial government seems to think that's just fine.
00:05:17.020 We had the minister responsible, the Minister of Indigenous Relations, Spencer Chandra Herbert,
00:05:23.020 on a radio show, just talk recently about how he thinks that is just fine. So expect more of these
00:05:29.880 is the issue. And I think what's really happened is the province has set this tone, right? One of the
00:05:35.280 NDP MLAs stood in the legislature and encouraged British Columbians to refer to themselves as settlers
00:05:42.140 and colonizers and uninvited guests on Indigenous land. Talking about British Columbia as a whole,
00:05:48.820 well, what does that do to citizens? How does it make us view ourselves in relation to one another?
00:05:53.360 Is it an absolute recipe for conflict?
00:05:56.200 Well, it seems like a cult, okay? From an outsider's perspective, when you hear people say,
00:06:00.400 I am an uninvited visitor, an uninvited guest on this land, it makes me feel like they're part of
00:06:06.460 some kind of weird cult that I don't want anything to do with. And part of the problem, I think,
00:06:11.560 Caroline, is the way that the media covers this. It always makes it seem totally reasonable,
00:06:16.000 totally justified, and if anything, that the government isn't making enough concessions.
00:06:19.840 So Vancouver Sun article on August 21st, just last week, colonial decision-making. First Nations
00:06:26.440 denounced the Joffrey Lake's closure as too short. It's too short. So like you said, every year they're
00:06:32.560 adding another 20 days to the amount of time that they can ban people from a park based on their skin
00:06:37.880 color. And according to this headline in the Vancouver Sun, it's colonial decision-making. I want to
00:06:43.420 play a little montage of just how this is covered by the legacy media. Again, they make it seem like
00:06:49.820 the First Nations are being totally reasonable. This is totally normal in a Western liberal
00:06:53.360 democracy. And if anything, it's just that they're not getting enough time. Let's play that clip.
00:06:58.740 A popular BC park is facing closures in the coming months as local First Nations reconnect with the
00:07:04.840 land. The Lilwen and Nkwakoa nations have announced that Joffrey Lake's Park will be closed to visitors.
00:07:10.860 The province says the park will be closed to the public September 2nd to October 3rd. It's the second
00:07:15.920 closure this year a total of 68 days a little more than half of what the nations wanted the
00:07:22.160 upcoming month-long closure was only about half of what the nations wanted and friday dozens of
00:07:28.640 demonstrators blocked the access road to the park the beating of drums and singing plays out during
00:07:38.560 a ceremony behind this bins and vehicles form a barricade so you get the theme there which is
00:07:44.640 basically just that this this was only half of the time they wanted so really it's just more than
00:07:49.920 reasonable what do you what do you make of the media coverage out there well look um we have to
00:07:54.480 start from the very simple premise that bc's provincial parks belong to all british colombians
00:08:01.040 so a day-long closure on the basis of one's ethnicity is frankly wrong it's just not permissible
00:08:08.320 in a liberal society where everyone has the right to access the same things as everyone else does
00:08:13.760 so you know they could have asked for a year-long closure and gotten six months and they still might
00:08:18.480 be mad or you could ask for a decade-long closure and get five years the length of time requested
00:08:22.800 doesn't make the government's acquiescence to close it at all right right so that's a that's a really
00:08:28.560 critical thing um you know speaking of the the commentary by some of those protesters uh it wasn't
00:08:33.920 in the clips you played but there were some who said no number of visitors is acceptable right so you
00:08:39.600 know and and keep in mind when they are protesting there they're shutting down a crucial uh route
00:08:44.640 highway 99 through there that a lot i used that route this summer going up to some areas in the
00:08:49.680 interior of bc it's a very busy route families are stuck in their cars with their kids on hot days
00:08:54.640 because uh of of because of frankly i think it is the the expectations the province has actually set
00:09:01.360 for first nations you talk about stolen land you talk about uh the province being steeped in
00:09:06.560 colonialism you talk about settlers you talk about uninvited guests well guess what now first
00:09:12.640 nations you can almost not blame them for saying well look like you're saying all this stuff we're
00:09:17.120 going to take you at your word and we're going to go do this stuff and so i i really think that the
00:09:21.680 the frustration has to be directed right at the squarely at the provincial government for setting the
00:09:26.960 stage for this in the first place they've really created a chaos chaotic situation where it's really
00:09:31.360 hard to tell this in control anymore you're right because it's sort of like it's it's virtue signaling
00:09:37.200 and they're just using all of the correct left-wing buzzwords uh but people take that literally and
00:09:42.480 seriously and it's like okay uh you're settlers so this is our line not yours i want to talk a little
00:09:47.520 bit about this bc uh like you mentioned highway 99 blockades um because again you can see in the media
00:09:54.080 coverage that they're sort of like celebrating these blockades as some kind of beautiful cultural moment like
00:09:59.280 i'm old enough to remember when tamara litch was put on trial uh for you know blocking traffic and
00:10:05.600 that was the whole thing that it was that she was being a menace and that it was mischief um for
00:10:10.880 blocking the highway well here you see first nations blocking the highway so this was friday august 22nd
00:10:16.480 first nations halt traffic on a bc highway over disrespectful joffrey lakes closure members of these
00:10:23.120 two first nations held the ceremony blocking the highway near pemberton bc on friday to voice frustration
00:10:27.840 with the province's plan to limit the upcoming closure of the parks so they want to have more
00:10:34.960 access to the parks without anybody else they didn't get exactly what they wanted and so this
00:10:39.840 is sort of like a collective temper tantrum that they're holding except for again you know it's
00:10:45.280 their right to protest and the media celebrate it where we know um when there's other kinds of closures
00:10:50.240 like this they don't they don't treat it um quite the same way what do you make of that well you know
00:10:55.120 you look at one of the signs that the protesters was holding in that clip you you just showed where
00:10:59.920 it says bc has no jurisdiction uh that is you know and and we're talking about a provincial highway a
00:11:05.520 critical route again families and cars like i have a five-year-old and an eight-year-old and that drive
00:11:10.480 is so long to actually get to that area in the first place literally nothing in between for for long
00:11:16.160 long stretches of time no gas station no brakes suddenly you're stopped in the middle of the highway like
00:11:20.640 it it actually really frustrates me to see that uh as a parent let alone you know the the other kind
00:11:26.560 of broader philosophical issues of the societal problems of what's going on here um but that bc has
00:11:31.680 no jurisdiction sign is really uh it's really important to actually focus in on that i think
00:11:36.880 because what bc is actually doing across the across the entire province is actually um abdicating their
00:11:43.520 jurisdiction over huge swaths of land uh you see it with the seashell foundation agreement uh we're talking
00:11:49.360 about 1.2 acres of public land that's going to be subject to all kinds of decision making some of
00:11:53.520 which where the province is not at the table at all again decision making over public land by groups
00:11:58.000 that now know that um only a very tiny proportion of indigenous british colombians actually have a role
00:12:03.680 in electing uh you have uh the the the agreement up in uh the with the tukotan nation over a large
00:12:10.880 area of land where their consents require to permit any mines happening like this is happening
00:12:15.120 everywhere uh it's happening up and down the the sunshine coast uh or sorry the um sea to sky
00:12:20.080 corridor as well so it's really troubling to see i don't see how this ends anywhere but in a very very
00:12:27.520 divisive place well i think we're already there and to uh you know canadians across the country
00:12:33.040 watching you know in disbelief what's happening in british columbia it's not just in british columbia
00:12:37.040 there was a story last week in the cbc about a manitoba first nations barring non-indigenous hunters
00:12:43.040 from crown land so it might be starting in british columbia but it's happening everywhere and in
00:12:48.880 large part it comes from this united nations declaration undrip uh which a lot of people
00:12:56.560 you know believe that it is a good step towards reconciliation um bc has embraced this and signed
00:13:03.360 it basically into law and there was some polling done by angus reed that shows that british columbians
00:13:08.640 are divided over undrip equal numbers say it's a necessary step and equal numbers say it goes too
00:13:14.960 far to limit provincial authority i imagine if more people really read it and understood what
00:13:20.640 prior informed consent means because that is what is required with these bans and there's there's never
00:13:26.240 enough consultations right you can consult all day and they'll still say that there wasn't enough
00:13:30.400 consultation it basically gives first nations a veto and basically does hand over control of the land
00:13:37.440 and then we saw this caroline with a recent court case that we covered extensively on this show
00:13:42.400 with cowichan so folks uh this is in richmond british columbia which is part of vancouver it is
00:13:47.600 where the vancouver airport is it is the suburb right in the middle of vancouver and there was
00:13:53.200 a ruling that found that some 800 acres now belongs to this cowichan valley even though cowichan is on
00:13:59.840 vancouver island so this tribe came and did their hunting um and that because of that claim this was
00:14:05.760 actually found you know caroline at the top you were saying that the joffrey lakes closures was
00:14:09.840 happening just over a land claim and not found to be their land title in court well this one was
00:14:15.120 found in court and i feel like that is a scary direction um that we are headed uh there was an
00:14:20.880 article in the uh vancouver sun written by a former treaty negotiator and lawyer robin junger basically
00:14:29.120 saying that the bc government through the cowichan land ruling that they didn't make the strongest
00:14:33.680 arguments perhaps intentionally uh what did you make of that ruling yeah so that ruling is huge
00:14:40.880 and i think uh if there's any good to come of it and it's very scarce that amount of good but if
00:14:47.280 there's any good it's the fact that the public is finally realized what realizing what's at stake
00:14:51.760 with the policy direction taken by this provincial government uh it's really thrown the entire basis
00:14:56.320 of property ownership under a cloud of confusion and uncertainty obviously that's the kind of bedrock of how
00:15:02.480 we you know how we how we run our economy how we how we own our land as homeowners or whatever like
00:15:07.600 this is a a real real issue so they declared aboriginal title over private land in the province
00:15:12.320 that's the first time that's ever been done by a court mind you the provincial government set the tone
00:15:17.680 for doing this which was referenced in the court decision by overlaying aboriginal title
00:15:22.720 on private land in the case of their haida agreement uh which is a whole other issue uh but but
00:15:28.080 they're basically laying the groundwork for exactly these rulings they also excuse me as uh robin younger
00:15:33.600 pointed out in the column you mentioned they did they kind of had the bc's lawyers fighting with one
00:15:37.920 hand tied behind their back because they had issued a directive under david eby who's now premier but when
00:15:43.440 he was attorney general he'd actually issued a directive telling uh government lawyers you can't
00:15:48.160 argue certain arguments to protect private property or it wouldn't have been worded that way but
00:15:53.520 essentially they weren't able to make the best arguments that that that enabled them to depend
00:15:58.400 on private property uh so shockingly uh private property now is uh under a great deal of uncertainty
00:16:05.520 so um this is absolutely initiated led by and sort of the circumstances created for exactly this kind
00:16:15.360 of ruling by this provincial government it's really quite interesting to see them run from it and
00:16:19.600 suddenly say oh we're going to appeal it we're we're really worried about private property too
00:16:23.680 when they laid this very groundwork they got us here and here we are right and and we're not going
00:16:28.640 to know the outcome of an appeal for god knows how long because it'll go to the supreme court of
00:16:32.240 canada eventually and i mean maybe a decade from now and in the meantime uh the the judge had put sort
00:16:38.000 of a um like a pause on implementing the the findings of her of her court case for about 18 months
00:16:43.600 so 18 months from now we're going to get to a place where an appeal has not been completed
00:16:47.760 and we and and people really aren't going to know what to do so it's uh it's a real problem
00:16:53.200 well again it's like this performative virtue signaling from the left where they want these
00:16:57.760 things to happen and then when the ramifications come out it's like well actually it's pretty scary
00:17:01.840 and it could really scare off investors or even families looking to buy a home in british columbia
00:17:07.360 it's like why would you buy a house when you don't know if the title is going to be any good there's
00:17:12.080 another aspect of this ruling uh that i want to talk to you about this is from law for breakfast
00:17:17.600 which is a popular blog written by dwight newman who's a law professor he writes the morally awkward
00:17:23.200 aspect of canada's law canadian laws aboriginal title test so part of the reason why cowichan was
00:17:32.240 given this land even though like i mentioned cowichan valleys of vancouver island and we're talking about
00:17:37.200 the mainland here and there are two other tribes the musqueam and the tawasan tribes that also claimed
00:17:42.160 this land and basically during the uh the evidence that was put into this court hearing we learned that
00:17:49.120 the cowichan maintained this land because they were such vicious cruel fighters that they that they had
00:17:56.800 extreme acts of violence that they would impose onto these other tribes including cutting off their
00:18:01.520 enemies heads and putting them on sticks threatening to enslave the chief's family this is all
00:18:07.120 written evidence that was put before trial here and so basically might is right the reason that they
00:18:13.520 had access to this land is because they were so viciously violent right and we're supposed to
00:18:18.000 ignore this violent history and tradition right the the the criticism against canada and colonialism
00:18:24.400 and the so-called settlers was that they use their system of violence to push first nations people off
00:18:28.960 the land well it turns out that the first nations people were quite violent themselves particularly
00:18:32.800 this cowichan tribe and that's now all in record so it's not disputable um i don't know if you uh saw
00:18:38.400 this part of the um ruling but uh what do you make of all this caroline yeah i i read uh the similar
00:18:44.640 passages and look like the reality is indigenous history like all of human history is rife with conflict
00:18:52.160 and contesting pieces of land and defending those pieces of land and just as it was when you know in
00:18:59.360 in other parts of the world you know for the the absolute majority of human history so yeah i mean
00:19:07.920 that was going on it's a part of the history that's not taught because you know a vancouver sun article
00:19:12.560 writing about uh the pre-colonial life uh in that couch and uh that new couch and title area uh was
00:19:19.280 saying you know what was life like back then and they're saying oh there was fishing and it was nice
00:19:23.600 they haven't got along well i think we have to actually give first nations also the credit
00:19:28.560 of their very interesting history and the fact that people were contesting land and and challenging each
00:19:34.880 other and that there was a history of warfare and and those kinds of things of course that happened
00:19:39.520 just like it happened everywhere in the world so i think it kind of like shines a light a little bit
00:19:44.880 i think on the education we receive and our kids receive about pre-colonial life uh you know it was
00:19:50.720 it was i think a hard life in many ways and there was a lot of violence just as there were in other
00:19:56.240 societies um at that stage in development so i really think that um the the bigger question kind
00:20:02.640 of to me as well that comes out of that is the issue of competing land claims by other first nations
00:20:08.160 um so people think like oh well we'll just give you know we'll allow this title claim there or that
00:20:13.920 you know we'll award title here and we'll award title there recognize it whatever the word is
00:20:17.680 um but when you start thinking about as i said earlier the the virtually the entirety of bt's
00:20:22.880 land mass is claimed by one first nation or another there's many overlapping claims um
00:20:27.680 that so not only are there kind of um challenges between first nations about whose land is what
00:20:32.800 but then there's also challenges within first nations about who's responsible for decision making
00:20:37.360 if a project wants to get built who which is the which is the entity is it the elected chiefs is it
00:20:41.600 the hereditary chiefs uh maybe one group agrees to it and one group doesn't and when you just try to
00:20:47.280 think about a just govern the simple governability of a province where we have a very very heavy
00:20:52.560 natural resource element to to our economy um you kind of start thinking about like how is this going
00:20:57.920 to um how is this going to work and i frankly don't think it is going to i don't think it can't
00:21:04.000 and that's one of the reasons why i started the show by saying i think it's probably one of the
00:21:07.040 biggest issues facing british columbia in terms of its prosperity and its future opportunities
00:21:11.680 a hundred percent agree and i think that if it's happening british columbia now it'll be happening
00:21:15.280 the rest of the can in the rest of the country in the rest of canada in 5 10 15 years so it's
00:21:19.600 important to keep an eye on that carolyn elliott thank you so much for your time and insights
00:21:22.960 really appreciate it caroline has phd and she's a senior fellow with the aristotle foundation and
00:21:27.920 with bc public land use society carolyn thanks so much for joining us thank you all right folks i
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00:24:37.520 not going to save any money at all so why are we doing this in the first place well you said it was
00:24:42.480 an ndp scheme so i i mean last i checked we have a conservative government in alberta i know this is
00:24:47.840 the model that they use in british columbia which has long been led by the ndp and manitoba as well
00:24:51.920 so what why is this kind of a proposal even being introduced in alberta good question so um every
00:24:58.640 province that has brought in and adopted no-fault insurance has usually or or every single time has
00:25:04.960 been brought in by a socialist government uh in bc it was brought in by socialist government in in
00:25:10.000 saskatchewan it was brought in by socialist government and that's why we're all kind of scratching our heads
00:25:14.640 here why you know uh a conservative government is bringing in this you know ndp scheme of no-fault
00:25:20.240 insurance so what would you say would be an alternative plan then that you could reduce
00:25:24.320 premiums but without stripping away uh the rights as you say yeah so uh i think the insurance companies
00:25:30.960 have made it clear that 80 percent of their claims are minor injuries where you know maybe there was a
00:25:37.200 parking lot accident or maybe there was you know some sort of uh fender bender at 10 kilometers an
00:25:42.960 hour that's taking up about 80 percent of their um time and 80 of their expense so our we had a few
00:25:50.080 proposals and again some of them are more legal than others but a simple proposal was let's put a
00:25:54.800 deductible of ten thousand or fifteen thousand dollars on every claim so that someone with a
00:26:00.240 parking lot incident that goes to 20 treatments and gets better within 23 within sorry two months
00:26:05.040 gets nothing those are the ones that are holding up eighty percent of the time of the insurance
00:26:09.440 companies and the people with more serious injuries and with with more of a serious impairment
00:26:14.560 are still entitled to compensation less a deductible of a number of some some some something to be agreed
00:26:20.400 upon between government and the stakeholders that makes a lot more sense okay so tell us a little
00:26:24.960 bit about this campaign albertans against no fault you can visit uh you can learn more about the
00:26:28.880 campaign from visiting the website albertansagainstnofault.com so tell us about the campaign
00:26:33.440 yeah so uh we started a group uh which is not just for lawyers it's for the for anyone in the
00:26:38.720 public uh in alberta that doesn't like this plan so it's called albertan against no fault insurance
00:26:43.120 the acronym is and fee um you you can go on our website aanfi.com and it'll direct you to
00:26:51.280 things that you can do so you can reach out to your mla uh you know mlas are usually the people that
00:26:56.640 hear the complaints and take it up to government um you can sign our petition it's already close to
00:27:01.520 six thousand signatures um and then just get out there and and and tell everyone you can that you
00:27:07.120 don't like this plan like we're losing our rights we're going to pay more on insurance premiums the
00:27:11.840 insurance company takes all control of a victim's you know entry claim so i call it a lose lose lose
00:27:17.760 situation there's absolutely no winning for an albertan and and pretty much all the wins are going to
00:27:23.440 the insurance companies all right well that's ricky bagga from crash lawyers thanks so much uh for
00:27:29.520 your time and the information folks check out that campaign and that website all right that's
00:27:34.160 all the time we have for today thank you so much for tuning in we'll be back again tomorrow i'm
00:27:37.520 kennis malcolm this is kennis malcolm show thank you and god bless
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