The Candice Malcolm Show - O'Toole was weak and dishonest to run as a progressive

00:00:00.000 Aaron O'Toole misrepresented who he was to Conservative members.

00:00:03.280 He promised that he was true blue, and then he ran a campaign as a weak-willed red Tory

00:00:07.400 who refused to stand his ground or defend Canada.

00:00:10.040 I'm Candace Malcolm, and this is The Candace Malcolm Show.

00:00:16.740 Hi everyone, thank you so much for tuning into the podcast today.

00:00:19.560 Now, you've probably noticed that we here at True North and here at The Candace Malcolm Show

00:00:23.520 have been much more critical than usual of the Conservatives and of Aaron O'Toole.

00:00:28.260 Now, I know that much of the reason why people like this program, like this channel,

00:00:32.720 the reason that you tune in to True North is because we don't typically take an overly critical view of Conservatives.

00:00:38.700 That's what the legacy media does.

00:00:39.940 The legacy media is there day in, day out to criticize Conservatives,

00:00:43.740 to show their double standard, to push Liberal talking points,

00:00:47.000 push the Liberal worldview, push Liberal wedge issues,

00:00:49.400 and basically do Dustin Trudeau's dirty work.

00:00:51.800 We're different. We give Conservatives a fair shot.

00:00:54.320 We try to remain open-minded, and we don't innately have a bias or a bigotry against Conservatives.

00:01:01.500 So much of the legacy media, deep down, those journalists hate Conservatives.

00:01:05.220 They don't like Conservative values. They don't like Conservative people.

00:01:07.940 They don't want those values represented in their Parliament, in their government, in their society.

00:01:13.040 And that is why they're so unfair to Conservatives.

00:01:15.840 Here at True North, we disagree. We like Conservative values.

00:01:18.460 We think that Conservative values are Canadian values, and that is incredibly important to show both sides.

00:01:24.580 So yes, so to people who like True North because we're typically more fair to Conservatives,

00:01:29.820 and they wonder this week, why is Candace, why is True North being so unfair to Conservatives?

00:01:34.700 It's for that exact reason.

00:01:36.340 We want to see a Conservative party that is strong, a Conservative party that is Conservative.

00:01:40.840 There's no point in having two Liberal parties.

00:01:42.960 And so the reason that we are being critical of Erin O'Toole and of the Conservative party

00:01:47.580 is because we hope that they will listen, and we hope that they will learn

00:01:50.300 that the way that you win an election in Canada is not to apologize for Conservatives.

00:01:55.220 It's not to back away from your Conservative values.

00:01:57.560 It's not to flip-flop and change your mind and look indecisive and look weak.

00:02:02.280 The way to win as a Conservative is to own it, is to be proud of it,

00:02:06.580 to push common sense, to push your values, and to not appear like you're unsure,

00:02:13.080 or that you're afraid, or that you're embarrassed, or that you're trying to hide something.

00:02:17.880 And that is the reason why we are being critical in this week after the election.

00:02:21.940 Hopefully, we can all move past this stronger.

00:02:25.000 So I want to go back in time a little bit on the program today,

00:02:27.660 and I want to talk about how Erin O'Toole became leader of this party,

00:02:32.620 how he became the leader, and what he did in order to get there.

00:02:36.060 So recall that after Andrew Scheer stepped down from leader in 2019,

00:02:40.500 there was a leadership race to replace him as leader of the Conservative Party.

00:02:44.460 There were four main candidates that emerged sort of as a frontrunner.

00:02:48.000 So we had Peter McKay, who is a very high-profile politician from Nova Scotia.

00:02:54.720 He was a cabinet minister in the Harper government,

00:02:57.380 and he was sort of known as one of the leaders of the Progressive Conservative Party

00:03:01.440 that merged with the Canadian Alliance to create the new iteration,

00:03:04.500 which was the Conservative Party of Canada.

00:03:07.100 He was a central figure in that.

00:03:09.040 So he comes from the PC side of the party, the Progressive Conservative side.

00:03:13.660 He's a well-known red Tory.

00:03:16.000 Other candidates, we had Erin O'Toole, and we'll get into him in a moment.

00:03:19.940 Next, we had Leslie Lewis, who's a tremendous candidate.

00:03:22.780 She's very well-educated, very articulate, social conservative.

00:03:26.780 She's from Toronto.

00:03:27.500 She's from an immigrant family and community, and she was great.

00:03:31.340 But the problem with Leslie Lewis is that she was unknown to Conservatives.

00:03:35.520 She didn't have a deep history in the party, a little bit inexperienced,

00:03:38.720 and that kind of came out a little bit during the campaign.

00:03:41.540 And no one really knew if she had what it would take to win.

00:03:45.200 And finally, we had Derek Sloan, who is a social conservative.

00:03:48.700 He was really seen as being strong on some of the issues.

00:03:51.980 However, it became very apparent through his campaign that he was irresponsible,

00:03:56.820 he was selfish, and a bit of a loose cannon.

00:03:58.740 He really didn't have what it took.

00:04:00.920 And because of it, just shortly after he lost,

00:04:03.820 he ended up leaving the Conservative caucus and moving to Alberta,

00:04:06.940 running a bizarre independent campaign, and basically got no support whatsoever.

00:04:11.380 So he shot himself in the foot, and he is out of the picture.

00:04:15.020 But back to the leadership race.

00:04:17.780 So we had these two social conservative candidates that each had their own flaws.

00:04:21.980 And then we had these two sort of more experienced candidates,

00:04:25.460 former cabinet ministers, both of them, both Erin O'Toole and Peter McKay.

00:04:29.020 They're both from Atlantic Canada originally.

00:04:31.180 They're both from political families.

00:04:32.640 Both their dads were politicians and Conservative politicians, representatives.

00:04:37.480 And they're both sort of seen as red Tories.

00:04:40.100 So for Conservative voters, they didn't really have a very strong option.

00:04:43.600 There wasn't an obvious apparent leader out of the bunch.

00:04:48.200 It was sort of a given that probably Peter McKay would win

00:04:50.920 just because he had the most name recognition,

00:04:53.260 and he had this sort of well-known political pedigree.

00:04:56.380 It was sort of like the Conservative version of Justin Trudeau.

00:05:00.240 And that is when Erin O'Toole sort of emerged as a realistic option.

00:05:05.060 He is a former military man.

00:05:07.280 He seemed like he was really strong on law and order,

00:05:10.180 a fiscal conservative.

00:05:11.560 He was obviously not a social conservative.

00:05:13.500 He made it very clear from the beginning that he was not pro-life,

00:05:17.420 that he would not put any restrictions whatsoever on abortion.

00:05:21.680 However, he did claim that he would respect the beliefs of social conservatives,

00:05:26.740 that there would be room for them in the party,

00:05:28.760 which at the time was better than Peter McKay.

00:05:30.600 Peter McKay kind of came out there and said that the reason that Andrew Scheer lost the election

00:05:34.720 was because of his conservative values, his social conservative values.

00:05:38.020 And that was a problem to Peter McKay,

00:05:40.820 whereas Erin O'Toole proposed the other side and said,

00:05:43.980 no, there's room, there's a big tent, there's room for these people in my party.

00:05:48.580 And that was the reason why he won.

00:05:50.500 That was the reason why he won.

00:05:51.740 He presented himself as true blue.

00:05:54.300 He was strong on some of the issues.

00:05:56.080 He was adamantly opposed to a carbon tax.

00:05:58.580 He talked about balancing the budget.

00:06:01.000 He presented himself as a conservative.

00:06:02.980 This is what Erin O'Toole looked like back in 2020 when he was running for leader of this party.

00:06:08.920 Who's going to defend our history, our institutions against attacks from cancel culture and the radical left?

00:06:15.140 I am a proud conservative.

00:06:17.820 I've fought on a range of issues from military and veterans to foreign affairs, public safety, and certainly the economy.

00:06:25.040 I'm Erin O'Toole, and I'm running to unite conservatives on the path to victory.

00:06:29.900 I'm not a career politician.

00:06:31.560 I'm not a product of the Ottawa bubble.

00:06:34.220 Politics, he is a principled conservative.

00:06:36.780 He doesn't run away from a fight.

00:06:38.740 He doesn't get intimidated by the left or the media.

00:06:41.860 I'm pretty blue on all elements.

00:06:45.300 I do respect human rights and the decisions of our courts.

00:06:48.740 A plan to get serious on public safety, support the rule of law, and end the unfair demonization of law-abiding firearms owners.

00:06:56.420 So that was Erin O'Toole 18 months ago, and the Erin O'Toole that emerged on the campaign trail in the past six weeks was a different person.

00:07:09.760 He was a different, he had a different set of priorities.

00:07:12.640 He spoke differently.

00:07:13.480 He was talking about different things, and that is a problem that so many conservatives are having right now with Erin O'Toole.

00:07:20.080 It's not so much that he ran as a red Tory.

00:07:21.980 Look, there's room for red Tories in the party.

00:07:24.120 And when I say red Tory, it's not even really clear what this term means anymore,

00:07:27.120 because it used to mean someone who came from the progressive conservative wing of the party, the old party, that was sort of more big government.

00:07:33.440 They were okay with big spending.

00:07:35.240 They were sort of more socialist on the economic front.

00:07:39.500 And then, you know, they were conservative because of just party loyalty.

00:07:44.620 You know, perhaps they believed in law and order, these kind of things.

00:07:48.420 And then it really kind of changed to mean that a red Tory was someone who was liberal on social issues and moral issues.

00:07:55.780 They were pro-gay marriage, pro-abortion, all the same kind of things that the liberals on the left were,

00:08:01.800 but then maybe they were fiscally conservative.

00:08:03.980 And that was sort of what a red Tory was.

00:08:06.220 Today, it's not even really clear what it means.

00:08:08.760 It seems like the whole party is in support of gay marriage now, and that abortion issue is not going away.

00:08:13.740 There's people who really morally oppose to abortion.

00:08:16.760 And then other people who just really don't care about the issue and they don't want to talk about it,

00:08:21.060 they don't want it to be central in the campaign, they just want it to go away.

00:08:23.980 And because of that, they'll just sort of mirror the liberal talking points on that issue.

00:08:28.540 So this term, red Tory, it's not even really clear in today's landscape.

00:08:32.480 Like, is a red Tory woke?

00:08:34.540 Are they far left?

00:08:35.840 Do they believe that little kids should be getting hormone treatments to change their gender?

00:08:41.540 Like, these are questions that haven't really been addressed.

00:08:44.620 But back to Erin O'Toole.

00:08:46.760 The problem with him in this campaign was the fact that he had presented himself as the real deal,

00:08:51.980 as a real conservative.

00:08:53.360 And then as soon as the writs were drawn up and he started speaking,

00:08:56.820 it became really clear that his strategy was to basically hug the liberals,

00:09:01.420 show the Canadian public that he was very much a liberal,

00:09:04.740 and that the main difference between him and Trudeau was that he was just more competent,

00:09:08.540 a better manager.

00:09:09.220 And so he would continue to promote Justin Trudeau's vision for the country.

00:09:13.100 He would just be a better manager of that government.

00:09:16.440 And that's why he failed.

00:09:17.060 That's why he lost the election, because he really just didn't provide a clear enough distinction

00:09:22.060 between him and Trudeau.

00:09:23.480 And no, nobody wants a conservative party that promotes liberalism.

00:09:27.040 They want a conservative party that promotes conservatism.

00:09:29.500 So over at TNC, we compile a list of the five biggest flip-flops that Erin O'Toole did on the campaign.

00:09:36.100 So I'm going to go through those quickly.

00:09:37.640 So I think the first and the worst was that he proposed a carbon tax,

00:09:42.400 which was the exact opposite of what he had said earlier.

00:09:45.120 So during his conservative leadership campaign,

00:09:47.520 O'Toole was adamant that he would repeal the liberal government's federal carbon tax.

00:09:51.780 This is what that looked like.

00:09:53.100 This is a picture of him with the Canadian Taxpayers Federation signing a pledge,

00:09:57.480 saying no carbon tax pledge.

00:10:00.000 I, Erin O'Toole, promise that if elected prime minister of Canada,

00:10:02.680 I will immediately repeal the Trudeau carbon tax and reject any future carbon tax or cap-and-trade scheme.

00:10:10.740 And here it is, signed, Erin O'Toole, dated June 18th, 2020.

00:10:15.880 Okay, so we all know how that went down.

00:10:18.560 A few months later, in April 2021, Erin O'Toole released his party's climate change policy,

00:10:24.140 and it included this whole complicated scheme where they put a price on carbon,

00:10:28.720 and then they played this, like, weird semantics game where they tried to say,

00:10:32.800 no, it wasn't a carbon tax, it was a carbon savings account,

00:10:36.180 even though Justin Trudeau also claims that his carbon tax is not a carbon tax, it's a carbon price.

00:10:41.300 So you had the same semantical game.

00:10:43.380 A lot of people were really mad about that when that came out.

00:10:47.420 And, you know, by the time the campaign rolled around,

00:10:50.820 Erin O'Toole was just basically spouting the same things that we heard from the liberals non-stop.

00:10:55.260 Here's a CBC article from August 2021.

00:10:58.020 How the Conservatives came around to supporting a carbon tax.

00:11:01.540 It says here, O'Toole now admits the most efficient way to reduce emissions is through putting a price on carbon.

00:11:07.820 And then here we go, in the last week of the campaign,

00:11:10.940 again, the Conservatives go to the Toronto Star.

00:11:13.860 This is a Toronto Star exclusive, the most left-wing newspaper in the country who hate Conservatives,

00:11:18.480 are getting exclusives from the Conservative Party.

00:11:20.740 And here it says, Erin O'Toole says,

00:11:22.720 that the liberals' carbon price won't automatically get scrapped if he's Prime Minister.

00:11:26.680 So he went from adamantly opposing carbon taxes so much that he was willing to sign a pledge and stand by it

00:11:32.080 when he wanted to run the Conservative Party to sort of being squishy about it,

00:11:37.560 saying, here's my plan, it's not a tax, it's a carbon price,

00:11:40.720 and it's going to go into a carbon savings account.

00:11:43.080 And then by the time the campaign rolled around, it was like,

00:11:45.820 no, Justin Trudeau's carbon taxes are here to stay.

00:11:49.100 Of course, that wasn't the only walk back that we saw during his campaign to become Conservative leader.

00:11:54.980 O'Toole was unequivocal that he would defund and privatize CBC's English properties.

00:12:00.240 He also said that he respects independent journalists

00:12:02.520 and that he would fully recognize the Independent Press Gallery of Canada,

00:12:05.880 that is the press gallery that I am the president of,

00:12:08.560 and that he said that he would give our press gallery equal standing to the PPG in Ottawa.

00:12:13.400 Then fast forward a few months in the Conservative platform,

00:12:16.220 O'Toole only pledged that he would review the mandate of the CBC.

00:12:18.880 He no longer said that he would defund it.

00:12:20.940 And throughout the campaign, he failed to grant interviews with independent journalists,

00:12:25.580 failed to let independent journalists into his campaign.

00:12:28.940 Next, this is something that really upset Social Conservatives

00:12:31.700 and people who believe that the purpose of the Conservative Party

00:12:34.600 is to push a moral vision for the country.

00:12:37.400 O'Toole had previously claimed that under his leadership,

00:12:39.980 Conservative caucus members would be able to vote freely,

00:12:42.460 vote according to their morals and according to their conscience.

00:12:45.080 But then, of course, during the campaign,

00:12:46.980 he said that MPs who do not fully support his platform

00:12:49.760 would not be able to sit in his caucus.

00:12:51.880 They would not be able to sit as Conservatives

00:12:53.960 unless they agreed with his platform,

00:12:56.180 which his platform was very socially left-wing.

00:12:58.860 So that's another flip-flop.

00:13:00.440 Next, he flip-flopped when it came to protecting the conscience rights

00:13:03.700 of doctors and hospital workers.

00:13:06.260 So in O'Toole's leadership platform,

00:13:08.760 when he was running for leadership of the Conservative Party,

00:13:10.920 he stated that he would protect the conscience rights

00:13:13.240 of doctors and health care workers.

00:13:15.440 He said that health care workers would have the right

00:13:17.260 to refuse patients looking for abortions

00:13:19.780 or looking to do euthanasia,

00:13:21.860 that that would be up to the doctor and their moral rights.

00:13:24.400 It said that Aaron O'Toole would defend the conscience rights

00:13:26.620 of all health care professionals

00:13:27.760 whose beliefs, religious or otherwise,

00:13:29.440 prevent them from carrying out or referring patients

00:13:31.380 for services that violate their conscience.

00:13:34.320 Then, in the party platform that came out during the election,

00:13:37.100 this promise was reiterated.

00:13:39.480 It says that we will protect the conscience rights

00:13:41.820 of health care professionals.

00:13:43.060 The challenges of dealing with COVID-19 have reminded us

00:13:45.680 of the vital importance of health care professionals.

00:13:47.920 The last thing Canada can afford is to drive away

00:13:50.380 any of these professionals out of their profession.

00:13:53.420 But then, surprise, surprise, halfway through the campaign,

00:13:55.540 Aaron O'Toole flipped on that position

00:13:56.940 and said that doctors will not have the right

00:13:59.800 to refuse to refer patients for abortions.

00:14:02.540 He said they will have to refer because the rights to access

00:14:05.960 those services exist across the country.

00:14:08.400 We have to respect conscience rights,

00:14:10.280 but we have to be there for referral.

00:14:12.340 So, the exact opposite of what he had said all along.

00:14:15.720 So, as you can see, there's a trend going on here.

00:14:18.180 And the worst example of this flip-flopping

00:14:19.580 had to do with Justin Trudeau's gun ban,

00:14:22.340 which Aaron O'Toole had opposed.

00:14:24.300 He had used the support of gun owners,

00:14:26.580 legal gun owners, to win the leadership.

00:14:28.600 He relied on that support.

00:14:29.960 And then, when it came to the election time,

00:14:32.940 even though it was really clear in his platform

00:14:34.680 that he was going to reverse the liberal gun grab,

00:14:37.700 the liberals came out and banned 1,500 firearms,

00:14:41.480 rather arbitrarily.

00:14:42.640 Andrew Lawton, here at True North,

00:14:44.140 came up with an extensive documentary

00:14:46.340 looking at this issue.

00:14:47.300 So, if you want to know more about this issue

00:14:49.480 and understand it, go over and check out Assaulted,

00:14:51.980 which is Andrew Lawton's four-part series on this.

00:14:54.880 But regardless, Aaron O'Toole completely reversed his position.

00:14:57.620 And this is, to me, the most problematic one,

00:14:59.820 because when it comes to Justin Trudeau,

00:15:02.240 when it comes to the liberals

00:15:03.980 and the way that they ran their campaign,

00:15:05.580 this idea of creating wedge issues.

00:15:07.720 So, Aaron O'Toole is supposed to be a law and order guy.

00:15:10.820 He has a military background.

00:15:12.580 That is one of the strongest areas

00:15:14.840 that he had from a conservative perspective.

00:15:17.600 And so, you would expect that if Justin Trudeau

00:15:20.220 tried to create an election wedge issue over guns,

00:15:23.960 Aaron O'Toole would stand up and say,

00:15:26.000 do you know what, Justin Trudeau?

00:15:26.940 You want to make this election about law and order

00:15:29.020 and safety and illegal guns

00:15:30.780 and the problem of gun control.

00:15:32.520 Let's have that conversation.

00:15:33.620 Let's talk about the number of illegal firearms in Canada.

00:15:36.720 Let's talk about the way that you have loosened sentences

00:15:39.780 for people who are found with illegal guns.

00:15:41.720 How, let's talk about revolving door prison systems

00:15:44.120 that allow dangerous criminals

00:15:45.340 who commit violent acts with guns

00:15:47.620 are allowed back on the streets.

00:15:49.180 He could have turned the table.

00:15:50.280 He could have stood his ground and said,

00:15:51.540 if you're going after legal firearms owners,

00:15:54.180 what you should be going after is dangerous criminals.

00:15:57.540 That is what was expected of Aaron O'Toole.

00:15:59.740 That's the idea behind being a conservative.

00:16:01.860 Instead of allowing the liberals to create the narrative

00:16:04.440 and then just sort of weak-willed stepping back

00:16:07.760 and saying, oh, okay, well, we'll just change our position

00:16:10.300 and go with the liberal position.

00:16:12.020 No, conservatives want to see you standing up,

00:16:14.540 standing your ground,

00:16:15.400 fighting for your position and your values.

00:16:17.580 And again, Justin Trudeau is weak on this issue.

00:16:20.060 So why not go after Trudeau on an issue that he is weak?

00:16:24.140 This, in a nutshell, is why Aaron O'Toole lost the election.

00:16:27.880 It's not so much that he was a left-wing.

00:16:30.180 I don't think that Canadians, by and large,

00:16:32.140 really care about left versus right.

00:16:34.120 What they do care about is seeing someone who has conviction,

00:16:37.620 seeing someone who is confident and sure of themselves,

00:16:40.020 and seeing someone who has something to say,

00:16:42.400 who has a vision for the country

00:16:43.660 that's not just pushing platitudes,

00:16:46.260 pushing talking points,

00:16:47.320 saying the same banal platitudes

00:16:50.040 that we hear over and over from politicians.

00:16:52.400 They want to hear someone who has an idea,

00:16:54.580 who has convictions, and who stands their grounds.

00:16:56.700 That's not what Aaron O'Toole did in this campaign.

00:16:59.420 Instead, he was sounding a lot like Justin Trudeau,

00:17:01.880 and you can see this on election night.

00:17:03.220 Now, I'm going to play this clip.

00:17:04.300 There's not anything wrong, per se,

00:17:06.040 with what they're saying here.

00:17:06.980 They're talking about how Canada is this great,

00:17:08.860 big, diverse country, and we're inclusive,

00:17:10.800 and we like everyone, and everyone's a part of it.

00:17:13.700 Yeah, that kind of stuff is just common knowledge at this point.

00:17:15.700 You don't really need to create a whole political speech

00:17:18.200 about how diverse and great this country is.

00:17:20.460 We hear that every day from the liberals.

00:17:22.340 And so, again, it's not like there's anything wrong with this message.

00:17:24.520 It's a fine message, but it doesn't inspire.

00:17:26.840 It doesn't excite.

00:17:27.780 It's more like we're being lectured about how we have to like each other.

00:17:31.340 Instead of really presenting this vision for the country,

00:17:34.640 it sounds like Aaron O'Toole here

00:17:36.180 is basically trying to convince you that he is just like the liberals.

00:17:39.960 So let's see this montage of, side by side,

00:17:43.400 Trudeau and Aaron O'Toole on election night

00:17:45.460 basically delivering the same speech.

00:17:47.900 No matter how you voted,

00:17:50.680 just like no matter where you come from,

00:17:52.940 what language you speak,

00:17:54.500 the colour of your skin,

00:17:56.040 the way you pray,

00:17:57.860 I hear you.

00:17:58.720 Above all,

00:18:01.500 we must continue to show Canadians

00:18:03.620 that whether you're black, white, brown,

00:18:06.680 or from any race or creed,

00:18:09.000 whether you're LGBTQ or straight,

00:18:12.140 whether you are an Indigenous Canadian

00:18:14.120 or came to Canada five weeks ago

00:18:16.740 or five generations ago,

00:18:19.440 whether you're doing well

00:18:24.600 or barely getting by,

00:18:26.300 whether you worship on Fridays,

00:18:28.300 Saturdays, Sundays,

00:18:29.620 every day or not at all,

00:18:31.260 you are an important part of Canada.

00:18:34.160 For our shared journey

00:18:36.420 on the path of reconciliation.

00:18:38.880 It's a conservatism that believes

00:18:40.540 reconciliation is more than a box to check.

00:18:44.500 It is the very keystone of Canada

00:18:46.680 reaching its potential.

00:18:48.400 And it starts with clean drinking water

00:18:50.660 as a basic human right

00:18:52.600 still denied to Indigenous children born today.

00:18:55.960 Let us not forget the past

00:18:57.980 and the dark days we have come through together,

00:19:01.640 but let us still more look to the future

00:19:04.460 and all that is still to come.

00:19:07.360 One that addresses is the challenges of today

00:19:10.320 while advancing the dreams of tomorrow.

00:19:12.860 And all that we have still to build together.

00:19:15.940 A conservatism that builds Canada up.

00:19:31.160 Let's build it up.

00:19:32.600 Canadians don't want weak politicians.

00:19:34.820 They want someone who is sure of themselves,

00:19:36.600 someone who stands their ground,

00:19:38.080 someone who presents and promotes

00:19:39.680 their views with passion and conviction.

00:19:42.200 They don't want another version of the Liberal Party.

00:19:44.280 They don't want a weak leader

00:19:45.700 who's going to change his mind

00:19:47.080 and just say anything to get elected.

00:19:49.720 That's why the Conservatives lost.

00:19:51.180 That's why Erin O'Toole is not Prime Minister today.

00:19:53.680 And if the Conservatives ever want to win in this country,

00:19:55.860 again, they have to figure this out

00:19:57.580 sooner rather than later.

00:19:59.060 I'm Candice Malcolm,

00:19:59.760 and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.

The Candice Malcolm Show - September 23, 2021

O'Toole was weak and dishonest to run as a progressive

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