The Candice Malcolm Show - April 04, 2022


Ontario braces for the “sixth wave”! (Ft. Sue-Ann Levy)


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Ontario is now bracing for the dreaded sixth wave of COVID. Will we continue to repeat the exact same mistakes over and over again? Have we learned anything from the past two years? To find out, True North's own Sue Ann Levy joins Candice to break down the latest in Ontario and to figure out what is going on with the sixth wave.

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00:00:00.040 Ontario is now bracing for the dreaded sixth wave of COVID. Yes, you heard that correct,
00:00:04.700 the sixth wave. Will we continue to repeat the exact same mistakes over and over again?
00:00:09.560 Have we learned anything from the past two years? I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice
00:00:13.400 Malcolm Show. Everyone, thank you so much for tuning into the program. So yes, it's been
00:00:28.760 more than two years since we were told two weeks to flatten the curve. Yet here we are in April 2022,
00:00:35.160 and the reaction to another wave of COVID is as if nothing has changed. So many people go back to
00:00:40.780 the same default position that we need masks, we need lockdowns, and we need more vaccines. Nothing
00:00:46.480 has changed despite everything that we've learned over the past two years. So to help me break down
00:00:52.360 the latest in Ontario and to figure out what is going on with the sixth wave of COVID is True North
00:00:57.460 own Sue Ann Levy. As you know, Sue Ann is an investigative journalist and reporter here
00:01:01.780 at True North. She recently retired after 30 years of investigative reporting with the Toronto Sun and
00:01:06.820 Post Media. She's a two-time investigative award-winning journalist, nine-time winner of
00:01:11.540 Toronto Sun's Reader's Choice Award and for News Writer of the Year. So Sue Ann, thank you so much for
00:01:17.080 joining us today. Oh, you're welcome. Very welcome. So since the pandemic began, you've been reporting
00:01:23.440 on so many issues that we've had with public health restrictions, with the government's default
00:01:29.420 restrictions when it comes to COVID. So many times they are contradictory, they're nonsensical,
00:01:34.840 they'll recommend one thing one week, and then something totally different a week later. So
00:01:40.220 what do you make of this latest sort of fear mongering that we're seeing over, I suppose, I mean,
00:01:45.800 I don't even know what happened. You know, I thought the fourth wave was Omicron. I don't know what the
00:01:50.120 fifth wave was, but all of a sudden now we're into a sixth wave, apparently. And a lot of people are
00:01:54.540 beating the same drum that we need to restrict and make some of the same mistakes we've made all
00:01:59.920 along. What do you make of it, Sue Ann? Well, you know, the interesting thing is those who do get
00:02:04.580 COVID, and at this point, if they've had two or three, if they've been boosted like me, then it would
00:02:10.700 be very, very mild, I think, in most cases. Now they're announcing on social media, and it just
00:02:18.220 is nauseating. They're announcing on social media that they have COVID as if they've joined some
00:02:23.520 secret club, you know, some secret cult. And the other thing is, you know, the implication is that
00:02:30.300 now that kids are unmasked in schools, that this is causing this sixth wave. You know, the problem is
00:02:38.220 that you've got all these lefty doctors, these politicians, fearful politicians, who listen to the
00:02:44.480 same people over and over and over again. And the lefty doctors don't want to give up their 15
00:02:49.020 minutes of fame. I hate to sound cynical, but that's what it's all about. It's so interesting,
00:02:53.880 because I had a sort of contrarian minded doctor on the show a couple weeks ago, Dr. Matt Strauss,
00:02:59.980 and he was very opposed to masking. He said that there just isn't the data when it comes to the
00:03:04.640 research. It shows that anyone under the age of 50, anyone wearing a cloth mask, these things don't
00:03:10.100 actually help prevent COVID. It's kind of like a security blanket on your face. And yet you find
00:03:14.920 so many doctors on the other side saying, yes, we need these precautions, we need these measures,
00:03:20.900 especially for little kids who are at such small, small risk of developing any serious illness
00:03:25.980 from COVID. I mean, you wrote a piece about masks in schools saying with masking, it's time to leave
00:03:36.140 the kids alone. What do you have to say when it comes to this idea that little kids have to wear
00:03:42.700 masks? Well, some of them have only known masking for the last two years in schools. And, you know,
00:03:47.960 you've got to think about the other side, you got to think about the social implications,
00:03:51.580 the fact that people can't see each other's faces. You know, maybe adults want to hide behind masks,
00:03:57.300 but they can't see each other's faces. It's very kind of antisocial. And like you said,
00:04:03.740 first of all, there's two things. The risk of young kids, the statistics have proven it,
00:04:09.440 the risk of young kids actually picking up, first of all, picking up COVID and then actually getting
00:04:15.640 really sick from it is very low. We know that this has been a disease of the elderly. You know, 0.99
00:04:21.320 I've tracked the statistics over the last two years, we've lost an enormous number of people in
00:04:26.100 long-term care homes, enormous number of seniors in retirement homes. This is not a disease or a virus
00:04:32.560 of the young. And the other thing is that, you know, masking them is, it's just not good for their
00:04:39.440 mental health and wellbeing. And nobody wants to think about the other side, you know, about the
00:04:46.560 mental issues that have arisen as a result of COVID and the lockdowns and the masking. And you're
00:04:54.180 right. A cloth diaper on your face does not protect you. I mean, for me, I wore it and went along with
00:05:02.700 it because I knew that I had to. And I thought, you know, this is ridiculous, but if everybody else is
00:05:09.680 doing it and it's a mandate, then you have to, as soon as I got down to Florida, off came the mask,
00:05:16.980 because, you know, the other thing is wearing the mask, I think, doesn't protect you. You know,
00:05:24.180 it doesn't make you immune to other things that are flying in the air. I mean, you're, you're,
00:05:29.280 you know, closing up your, your, your nose, your mouth, and you're, you're not breathing in things
00:05:36.020 normally. And, you know, I have to wonder about your immunity to everything else.
00:05:42.520 It's so true. My, my son goes to a little preschool, he's three years old, and he goes
00:05:46.720 to preschool for two hours in the morning. And they make the kids wear masks, which just drives
00:05:52.140 me absolutely crazy. But it's funny, because the kids all still get sick, right? Like, like,
00:05:58.960 my son comes home with a runny nose, you know, like half the kids in his class have a runny nose,
00:06:03.800 like the idea that the mask would stop anyone from, from, from anything. I mean, it's, it's just,
00:06:10.380 it's, it's, to, to me, it's, it's unconscionable that they still make kids wear it. And for myself,
00:06:16.500 I, I don't even send my son every day, because I don't like the idea that he is wearing a mask. I,
00:06:21.520 I argue with the teachers and the administrators, and they say, well, you know, it's not really up
00:06:25.500 to us. It's, it's frustrating that they still force kids to do that. And, and, and to your point,
00:06:31.660 you know, when, when we first, two years ago, when we were first told two weeks to flatten the curve,
00:06:35.620 we didn't really know anything about COVID, right? We just thought, okay, this is a strange
00:06:39.000 virus from China, let's, let's be as precautious as possible. You know, we started to learn the data 1.00
00:06:46.240 fairly quickly, that, that, that the majority of the deaths were coming in long-term care facilities,
00:06:50.240 that, you know, that, that, that little kids didn't, that little kids were basically not at risk of
00:06:58.920 dying from COVID. The, the, the, the numbers were so minuscule, so small, um, the, the comorbidities
00:07:04.660 or the, the underlying conditions that people had with COVID deaths, uh, was so stark. And, and yet,
00:07:10.200 it seems like the, the public policy hasn't really adjusted to address that, Sue Ann. It's, you know,
00:07:16.900 to your point, you, you say that these are lefty doctors and lefty teachers and administrators.
00:07:22.140 Usually people on the left are the ones that care about mental health and, and, and these kind of like
00:07:26.620 secondary, uh, impacts. And yet when it comes to COVID, they, they don't really focus on,
00:07:32.700 you know, the, the, the, the way that little kids aren't able to communicate the potential,
00:07:37.420 uh, you know, speech impediments or, or communication barriers that can be developed,
00:07:43.180 the long-term impact for mental health on young, on young kids and teenagers.
00:07:47.820 Like, I, I just don't really understand why they're still beating the same drum, why they don't
00:07:52.280 see the broader picture and, and, you know, why they're so, uh, tunnel vision focused on,
00:07:57.800 on COVID. What, why do you think that is? Oh, I think that the fear mongering has created this,
00:08:03.680 as I said, in the column for true North, I think it's created this group, this, I don't want to say
00:08:10.240 nation, but certainly as a select group of people. And I find particularly in Toronto and big city
00:08:17.480 of a COVID obsessed hypochondriacs. They think every sniffle, every sneeze, every cough is related
00:08:26.440 to COVID. And it's almost in some ways narcissistic, but they're, they're just fearful. Uh, they parade
00:08:34.960 on social media with their masks on, uh, they, you know, they're outside with masks. It defies
00:08:42.500 all logic. And I, I think people have just been, uh, so indoctrinated by our politicians,
00:08:49.820 so indoctrinated by public health, by lefty doctors that, um, they're just downright fearful.
00:08:56.900 And it's a bunch of sheep. They're a bunch of sheep, but you know, there was an NDP, um, I guess,
00:09:03.640 rally yesterday in Toronto and no one could come unless they produced their vaccine cards. It was
00:09:12.080 outside by the way, um, at the evergreen brickworks, which is a lovely place and it's all outdoors and
00:09:19.360 they had to wear masks to attend. It was insane. It just defies logic, but you know, they're clinging
00:09:27.820 on. I don't know whether it's, you know, a way of controlling people, uh, intimidating the crowd,
00:09:35.760 but I think people are speaking up and saying enough. I, and you know, I have had people attack
00:09:42.200 me on social media for suggesting enough is enough. Um, don't you care about health? Don't you care
00:09:49.220 about little children, big children as seniors? I wear a mask around seniors. You know what? I lost
00:09:55.360 my dad to COVID. My mom is 88. You think I don't take precautions? It's crazy that everything that's
00:10:02.620 going on now defies all logic. Well, and, and it's such a one-sided way of looking at it. Like,
00:10:08.320 oh, don't you care about kids? It's like, well, don't you care about kids? Don't you want kids
00:10:11.840 to be able to have a free childhood where they don't have to feel so restricted and, and kids
00:10:16.520 growing up with paranoia and fear and adults telling them that, that everything could be at risk. I mean,
00:10:22.180 what I, I, you know, I look at, uh, the, the sort of like, you, we, we talk about Gen Z and how
00:10:28.180 they're very protected and how they want college speech codes and they need safe spaces and all
00:10:32.260 this kind of stuff. Um, I, I can't imagine what the generation is growing up now, how, how, how much,
00:10:37.760 you know, more like that they're going to be just given that they're growing up in this environment
00:10:41.340 where, you know, we're told that we have to live in bubbles and that, you know, everything could
00:10:45.500 potentially kill them. It's like, what, what kind of impact is this going to have on, um, that next
00:10:51.020 generation? There was a survey that came out over the weekend, Sue Ann, uh, from the Canadian press,
00:10:55.160 they reported on it saying that there was a survey. It was, it was actually conducted by
00:10:58.440 the Canadian hub for applied and social research from the university of Saskatchewan. And it found
00:11:03.060 that Canadians are more divided than ever. They're completely divided over COVID-19 politics. Um,
00:11:09.480 40% of Canadians said that they have lost, uh, contact with a close relative or a friend
00:11:15.240 over disagreement over pandemic politics. Um, that the majority of Canadians, 72% said that the COVID-19
00:11:21.960 pandemic and the 2021 federal election were the two most divisive issues, um, that, that they've
00:11:28.760 lived through. And, you know, I think, I think a lot of people are seeing this, that people are wound
00:11:33.840 up really tight, um, that people are angry, that there's a lot of disagreement. You see it play out
00:11:39.180 on social media. You talk about how you were attacked. I think a lot of people feel that way.
00:11:43.480 People who are outspoken about either being pro-vax or anti-vax, this, this issue is just
00:11:49.000 dividing Canadian is really bad for our country. And yet we keep revisiting it over and over again. 0.98
00:11:54.040 It's like, can't, maybe we should just let it go. You know, six wave, who cares? Why are we even
00:11:59.140 focusing on it? If, if it's an endemic and so many people have, have either gotten it and had
00:12:04.080 herd immunity or, or developed herd immunity among the population, or they're fully vaccinated.
00:12:09.080 Like what, why, why do we even continue to focus on it knowing that it's so divisive? Um, I'm,
00:12:13.980 I'm wondering what your experiences have been and why you think that we, uh, can't let this,
00:12:19.000 issue go, even though we know it's so bad for us, you know, it's fear and look, I'm triple
00:12:26.280 vaccinated. I'm boosted. And the way I feel is that if you asked me to get a vaccine to protect myself
00:12:33.520 and protect others, then I did it. I, I, I agreed to it. Uh, I've had some lingering side effects,
00:12:40.740 which are, are not fun, but, um, I did what I was asked to do and, you know, now I want to roam
00:12:49.360 freely. I want to live freely, you know? Uh, and I think that, uh, people keep, uh, moving the bar,
00:12:58.020 particularly politicians. And now they're talking about a fourth booster. And I've talked to other
00:13:02.800 people and they said, there's no way they're going to get another booster. I mean, how long
00:13:06.820 are we going to have this push on, be pushed on us? And Candace, I think that was a large part of
00:13:12.560 what the freedom convoy was all about, that people have been pushed. They've been isolated. They've
00:13:18.080 been locked down. They've been told how to live their lives for the last two years. And enough is
00:13:23.360 enough enough. Look, I think that in our population, those who haven't had COVID, we probably all will
00:13:30.360 have a mild form of COVID at one point. Two weeks ago, I had terrible, terrible cold. I thought it
00:13:35.780 was COVID. I got tested. No, it was just a cold. It was a really bad cold. Um, which I think I picked
00:13:41.620 up at the Trump rally with 12,000 unmasked people, but I was there and roaming free and enjoying my day.
00:13:48.560 Um, but you know, immediately everybody thinks it's COVID. We had a friend down here from, uh, Toronto
00:13:56.200 who didn't want to have dinner with even my wife, because she was exposed to me with my cold. I did not
00:14:02.400 have COVID. So it's just, it's been so ingrained in people that they've lost all sense of all common
00:14:09.520 sense, all sense of logic. It's funny because during the trucker convoy, I was waiting for the
00:14:14.680 headlines to say, Oh, this is going to be a super spreader event because that's what the media has
00:14:18.040 been obsessed with. Anytime there's a conservative minded protest, they focus on super spreaders.
00:14:23.380 Anytime it's a social justice, left-wing black lives matter protests, then it's, it's just 0.53
00:14:27.320 righteous, but the media always focused on it. So I was waiting for those stories and they never came.
00:14:31.240 And there was never any COVID wave that, that resulted from all of those truckers gathering.
00:14:36.100 I think because everyone kind of knew, okay, first of all, Omicron made everyone a little bit more
00:14:40.800 immune to COVID. And second, they were all outside and the chances of you getting COVID, uh, outside
00:14:45.280 are very, very low. But Sue, I wanted to ask you, cause I know you're, you're down in Florida
00:14:48.920 and you, you mentioned you went to the Donald Trump rally there. Uh, tell me a little bit about the
00:14:54.020 rally and tell me just more broadly about the difference between, cause you, you spent most of the
00:14:58.320 the pandemic, I believe in Toronto and Ontario around sort of the COVID hypochondriacs as you 0.88
00:15:03.520 call them. Um, and, and, and then, and then the second part in, in Florida where it's super relaxed
00:15:07.840 and they've kind of moved on and no one even talks about COVID, no one wears masks anymore. So maybe
00:15:12.520 you can comment on that, on the differences. Well, the only paranoid people down in Florida are
00:15:17.220 New Yorkers, frankly, because they've been so indoctrinated, but you know, it's interesting when I
00:15:22.280 first came down here, I saw a lot of people wearing masks in the grocery stores and Costco.
00:15:27.680 And in the last two weeks, it's been totally relaxed. You don't see hardly anybody wearing
00:15:32.840 masks. Uh, we went to a couple of theater performances in November and December into
00:15:38.640 January. There were strict rules about wearing masks. We had to show our vaccine cards, none of
00:15:43.820 that anymore. We just went to a play the other day, no masks, no, I mean, there were people wearing
00:15:49.300 masks in the audience, but no, no requirement. Um, nobody talks about it. Uh, I don't see the same
00:15:57.280 kind of signs anywhere. Walk into a grocery store, walk into a regular, you know, store,
00:16:03.540 one of my favorite dress stores, no issues. It's free. It's totally free. And the only time I had to
00:16:10.860 wear a mask was when I was at the Palm beach airport yesterday. That was a federal requirement.
00:16:16.300 Uh, at the Trump rally, there were 12,000 people, 12,000. I could not believe in Fort Lauderdale
00:16:22.660 packing this arena. Almost every stand was full. They waited the entire day to hear Donald Trump
00:16:29.900 after a succession of speakers. We were there from 1130 on and he didn't speak till about six
00:16:36.080 o'clock. So it was, who else was there? What other speakers did you hear? And his Owen spoke
00:16:41.440 and, um, Donald Trump Jr. Spoke and Dan Bongino spoke, uh, very, very interesting group of speakers.
00:16:50.920 Um, and, uh, like I said, people waited and waited to hear him and he didn't disappoint. Uh, and might I
00:16:59.420 add, no one was wearing masks at all, all 12,000 people that I estimated were there. Nobody was wearing
00:17:06.280 masks. And so what was the, what was the purpose of the rally? Is he, is he running for president or
00:17:10.880 what, what, what was the, what was the kind of, you know, rationale behind having this big rally
00:17:15.700 here in Florida? He's been doing a series of them. He's done one in South Carolina. He did one in
00:17:21.860 Michigan the other night. He's doing one in, I believe Georgia. I've been, I'm, I'm on his list
00:17:26.900 now. So I, you know, I get requests to buy doormats and hats and all kinds of stuff and notices
00:17:33.180 about his rallies. Um, but he's, he's doing a series and I think he's testing the waters to
00:17:38.540 run. He's raising money. Um, frankly, I think a better choice would be if you asked me, Ron
00:17:46.620 DeSantis, uh, there's some talk about him running and the next election. I think he's a kinder,
00:17:53.800 gentler Trump, but he's tough and he puts his foot down and I really respect the guy. This is the
00:18:00.580 governor of Florida, of course. Yeah. I'm surprised to hear you say that. Cause I, I do know that some
00:18:05.620 people in Florida don't want to see him go. They, they say, you know, stop, stop talking about Ron
00:18:09.680 DeSantis for, for president, because he's doing such a good job here in Florida that we don't
00:18:13.240 want to lose him. Cause if without him, you know, we'll have some other, uh, either a Republican
00:18:18.480 that doesn't have the spine that DeSantis has, or some awful Democrat that's going to bring in all 0.96
00:18:22.520 the same kind of roles that we've had in Ontario and, and, and other sort of blue states,
00:18:26.860 um, in the U S well, uh, that's, that's really interesting. And I know you reported from that
00:18:31.820 rally. So I encourage viewers to go, go check that out. Cause it's really definitely interesting.
00:18:36.480 And, uh, Sue, and you're keeping your finger on the pulse. I did have a final question for you.
00:18:40.700 You mentioned that you were down at the airport yesterday. I know they're federally regulated,
00:18:43.420 and I know that, that there's some push from airlines to get the Biden administration to drop the
00:18:47.880 mask mandate, but, uh, more interesting than the mask mandate was who you bumped into at the, uh,
00:18:53.700 local airport there in Palm beach, Florida. So why don't you tell us about that?
00:18:57.800 Well, uh, I didn't exactly bump into him. I saw him. He was trying to hide from me was mayor John
00:19:03.000 Tory. Um, he has a home down here and, uh, you know, I'm just going to say that, uh, he has every
00:19:09.640 right to travel, but I'm going to give the proviso that that very morning, yesterday morning,
00:19:15.620 he posted something on Twitter, uh, that made it seem like he was in his office in Toronto. It was
00:19:21.780 about the Raptors. So it's the whole thing again, like sneaking down to Florida, pretending you're
00:19:27.260 not there, you know, just be open about it, be honest. Um, and I'm sure this isn't the first time
00:19:34.560 he's come down and it was just, you know, it was so hypocritical, you know, you know about politicians
00:19:41.380 and they pretend they're not traveling, but they are. And, uh, I don't think he was very happy to see
00:19:48.320 that I saw him. And the reason I was at the gate is that air candidate didn't have anybody to wheel
00:19:53.260 my mom to the gate. So I got a special pass. So he probably rude the day that I actually got the
00:19:59.940 special pass to come to the gate. Well, maybe, maybe he called the security on you. And maybe
00:20:04.800 that was the reason they thought you were a security threat because he was probably like,
00:20:08.400 get this reporter out of here before she blows my cover. Well, no, it is interesting because I know 0.98
00:20:15.220 there's no, there's no travel ban right now and there's no lockdowns happening right now,
00:20:20.520 but, but the same type of people who encourage you to be, you know, encourage the public and,
00:20:25.800 and lecture us and tell us to be hyper careful and, and to avoid contact and, and to not kind
00:20:32.020 of go out there and live our lives. You know, they turn around in their personal life. They
00:20:35.620 go down to their mansion in Florida and have a time with their family and do frankly, whatever
00:20:40.360 they want. And there's sort of this, this opinion, cause I saw your tweet and I saw a lot
00:20:44.780 of the reaction that people were angry that he was doing that, which, you know, politicians
00:20:49.000 have every right to travel and they have every right to go on vacation just like the rest
00:20:53.340 of us. But, but the, the issue is, is sort of the double standard and the idea that they're
00:20:57.220 allowed to lecture us and tell us what to do. And then in their personal life, they just
00:21:00.340 kind of go in and do whatever you want. What did you think about the reaction to your,
00:21:04.220 to your story there? I thought it was, you know, very predictable and very, you know,
00:21:09.160 in sync with, I mean, politicians are not very connected with the average person these
00:21:14.080 days. And John Tory is no exception or how the average person feels, but here's a man
00:21:19.000 who's pushing his vaccine ride clinics, things on the TTC vaccine read. He's got clinics in
00:21:25.700 libraries. I'm beginning to wonder if he's going to have them on the golf courses, but
00:21:29.120 the golf courses just opened in Toronto. I mean, he's ramming vaccinations down people's
00:21:34.660 throats, five to 11 year olds, which I think is totally wrong. He's talking about taking
00:21:40.020 precautions. I see him at photo ops with masks on inside, you know, it's just bizarre. So
00:21:46.400 it's like left brain, right brain, you know, Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde, whatever you want to call
00:21:51.600 it. But, you know, you, you preach this and, and he was one of the most Econian lockdown 0.72
00:21:57.400 mayors in all of Canada. Poor Toronto has suffered tremendously. And, you know, then you
00:22:05.040 see him standing at the airport, you know, with his little mask on, cause it's Palm Beach
00:22:10.160 airport. What did he think people were, how they were going to react? I was actually shocked
00:22:15.200 to see him in line. How did he think people were going to react?
00:22:19.960 Well, he probably just assumed that no one would, no one would see him, but it's interesting
00:22:24.360 to see the sort of populist reaction to a lot of these politicians. Like I, I mean, I think
00:22:29.520 that the, the, the, the worst, the politician who was the first to get ousted was Aaron O'Toole
00:22:34.720 for the conservatives. And I just remember when the truckers came to Ottawa and he, he
00:22:39.560 originally didn't want to meet with them and he was sort of, didn't want to be associated
00:22:43.760 with the populism. Um, he came out with his own, uh, trucker, uh, policy, what he would
00:22:49.240 do alternatively to, uh, what Trudeau is doing with the, with the border ban. And his, his
00:22:54.320 proposition was to have vaccine clinics at truck stops. And that was supposedly going
00:22:59.680 to, going to fix this whole issue, which totally misunderstands the whole purpose of why the
00:23:04.420 truck, the truckers weren't protesting because they didn't have access to vaccines, protest
00:23:08.660 because they didn't want to have the mandate. Right. And the idea that some politician would
00:23:12.400 say, Oh, it's okay. We'll just bring them. We'll bring the vaccines to you. It just totally
00:23:16.080 shows how little some of these politicians really grasp the issues of the people in front
00:23:20.980 of them. They don't. And listen, I, I, I would dearly love to find out how many people have
00:23:26.260 actually shown up to those clinics. They are huge drain on resources. And I would bet you
00:23:31.540 that the, the probably a handful of people have come and gotten vaxxed. People are just,
00:23:36.100 it's over. People have had enough. And like Toronto is no exception, whatever place you're
00:23:42.120 talking about, they've had enough, enough with the clinics, enough with the masking indoors
00:23:47.360 to virtue signal, you know, it's crazy. I think that's a perfect way to end it. Sue Ann is perfect
00:23:54.800 note to end it. Just let it, let it end, let it be over. We're done with it. Let us move on with
00:23:58.940 our lives. Well, thank you so much for joining us, Sue Ann. Always great to have you on the show.
00:24:02.720 That's Sue Ann Levy with True North. I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is the Candice Malcolm Show.