Ontario braces for the “sixth wave”! (Ft. Sue-Ann Levy)
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Ontario is now bracing for the dreaded sixth wave of COVID. Will we continue to repeat the exact same mistakes over and over again? Have we learned anything from the past two years? To find out, True North's own Sue Ann Levy joins Candice to break down the latest in Ontario and to figure out what is going on with the sixth wave.
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Ontario is now bracing for the dreaded sixth wave of COVID. Yes, you heard that correct,
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the sixth wave. Will we continue to repeat the exact same mistakes over and over again?
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Have we learned anything from the past two years? I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice
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Malcolm Show. Everyone, thank you so much for tuning into the program. So yes, it's been
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more than two years since we were told two weeks to flatten the curve. Yet here we are in April 2022,
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and the reaction to another wave of COVID is as if nothing has changed. So many people go back to
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the same default position that we need masks, we need lockdowns, and we need more vaccines. Nothing
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has changed despite everything that we've learned over the past two years. So to help me break down
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the latest in Ontario and to figure out what is going on with the sixth wave of COVID is True North
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own Sue Ann Levy. As you know, Sue Ann is an investigative journalist and reporter here
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at True North. She recently retired after 30 years of investigative reporting with the Toronto Sun and
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Post Media. She's a two-time investigative award-winning journalist, nine-time winner of
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Toronto Sun's Reader's Choice Award and for News Writer of the Year. So Sue Ann, thank you so much for
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joining us today. Oh, you're welcome. Very welcome. So since the pandemic began, you've been reporting
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on so many issues that we've had with public health restrictions, with the government's default
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restrictions when it comes to COVID. So many times they are contradictory, they're nonsensical,
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they'll recommend one thing one week, and then something totally different a week later. So
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what do you make of this latest sort of fear mongering that we're seeing over, I suppose, I mean,
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I don't even know what happened. You know, I thought the fourth wave was Omicron. I don't know what the
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fifth wave was, but all of a sudden now we're into a sixth wave, apparently. And a lot of people are
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beating the same drum that we need to restrict and make some of the same mistakes we've made all
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along. What do you make of it, Sue Ann? Well, you know, the interesting thing is those who do get
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COVID, and at this point, if they've had two or three, if they've been boosted like me, then it would
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be very, very mild, I think, in most cases. Now they're announcing on social media, and it just
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is nauseating. They're announcing on social media that they have COVID as if they've joined some
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secret club, you know, some secret cult. And the other thing is, you know, the implication is that
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now that kids are unmasked in schools, that this is causing this sixth wave. You know, the problem is
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that you've got all these lefty doctors, these politicians, fearful politicians, who listen to the
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same people over and over and over again. And the lefty doctors don't want to give up their 15
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minutes of fame. I hate to sound cynical, but that's what it's all about. It's so interesting,
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because I had a sort of contrarian minded doctor on the show a couple weeks ago, Dr. Matt Strauss,
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and he was very opposed to masking. He said that there just isn't the data when it comes to the
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research. It shows that anyone under the age of 50, anyone wearing a cloth mask, these things don't
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actually help prevent COVID. It's kind of like a security blanket on your face. And yet you find
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so many doctors on the other side saying, yes, we need these precautions, we need these measures,
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especially for little kids who are at such small, small risk of developing any serious illness
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from COVID. I mean, you wrote a piece about masks in schools saying with masking, it's time to leave
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the kids alone. What do you have to say when it comes to this idea that little kids have to wear
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masks? Well, some of them have only known masking for the last two years in schools. And, you know,
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you've got to think about the other side, you got to think about the social implications,
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the fact that people can't see each other's faces. You know, maybe adults want to hide behind masks,
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but they can't see each other's faces. It's very kind of antisocial. And like you said,
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first of all, there's two things. The risk of young kids, the statistics have proven it,
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the risk of young kids actually picking up, first of all, picking up COVID and then actually getting
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really sick from it is very low. We know that this has been a disease of the elderly. You know,
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I've tracked the statistics over the last two years, we've lost an enormous number of people in
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long-term care homes, enormous number of seniors in retirement homes. This is not a disease or a virus
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of the young. And the other thing is that, you know, masking them is, it's just not good for their
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mental health and wellbeing. And nobody wants to think about the other side, you know, about the
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mental issues that have arisen as a result of COVID and the lockdowns and the masking. And you're
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right. A cloth diaper on your face does not protect you. I mean, for me, I wore it and went along with
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it because I knew that I had to. And I thought, you know, this is ridiculous, but if everybody else is
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doing it and it's a mandate, then you have to, as soon as I got down to Florida, off came the mask,
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because, you know, the other thing is wearing the mask, I think, doesn't protect you. You know,
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it doesn't make you immune to other things that are flying in the air. I mean, you're, you're,
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you know, closing up your, your, your nose, your mouth, and you're, you're not breathing in things
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normally. And, you know, I have to wonder about your immunity to everything else.
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It's so true. My, my son goes to a little preschool, he's three years old, and he goes
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to preschool for two hours in the morning. And they make the kids wear masks, which just drives
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me absolutely crazy. But it's funny, because the kids all still get sick, right? Like, like,
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my son comes home with a runny nose, you know, like half the kids in his class have a runny nose,
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like the idea that the mask would stop anyone from, from, from anything. I mean, it's, it's just,
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it's, it's, to, to me, it's, it's unconscionable that they still make kids wear it. And for myself,
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I, I don't even send my son every day, because I don't like the idea that he is wearing a mask. I,
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I argue with the teachers and the administrators, and they say, well, you know, it's not really up
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to us. It's, it's frustrating that they still force kids to do that. And, and, and to your point,
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you know, when, when we first, two years ago, when we were first told two weeks to flatten the curve,
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we didn't really know anything about COVID, right? We just thought, okay, this is a strange
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virus from China, let's, let's be as precautious as possible. You know, we started to learn the data
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fairly quickly, that, that, that the majority of the deaths were coming in long-term care facilities,
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that, you know, that, that, that little kids didn't, that little kids were basically not at risk of
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dying from COVID. The, the, the, the numbers were so minuscule, so small, um, the, the comorbidities
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or the, the underlying conditions that people had with COVID deaths, uh, was so stark. And, and yet,
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it seems like the, the public policy hasn't really adjusted to address that, Sue Ann. It's, you know,
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to your point, you, you say that these are lefty doctors and lefty teachers and administrators.
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Usually people on the left are the ones that care about mental health and, and, and these kind of like
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secondary, uh, impacts. And yet when it comes to COVID, they, they don't really focus on,
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you know, the, the, the, the way that little kids aren't able to communicate the potential,
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uh, you know, speech impediments or, or communication barriers that can be developed,
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the long-term impact for mental health on young, on young kids and teenagers.
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Like, I, I just don't really understand why they're still beating the same drum, why they don't
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see the broader picture and, and, you know, why they're so, uh, tunnel vision focused on,
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on COVID. What, why do you think that is? Oh, I think that the fear mongering has created this,
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as I said, in the column for true North, I think it's created this group, this, I don't want to say
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nation, but certainly as a select group of people. And I find particularly in Toronto and big city
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of a COVID obsessed hypochondriacs. They think every sniffle, every sneeze, every cough is related
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to COVID. And it's almost in some ways narcissistic, but they're, they're just fearful. Uh, they parade
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on social media with their masks on, uh, they, you know, they're outside with masks. It defies
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all logic. And I, I think people have just been, uh, so indoctrinated by our politicians,
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so indoctrinated by public health, by lefty doctors that, um, they're just downright fearful.
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And it's a bunch of sheep. They're a bunch of sheep, but you know, there was an NDP, um, I guess,
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rally yesterday in Toronto and no one could come unless they produced their vaccine cards. It was
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outside by the way, um, at the evergreen brickworks, which is a lovely place and it's all outdoors and
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they had to wear masks to attend. It was insane. It just defies logic, but you know, they're clinging
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on. I don't know whether it's, you know, a way of controlling people, uh, intimidating the crowd,
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but I think people are speaking up and saying enough. I, and you know, I have had people attack
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me on social media for suggesting enough is enough. Um, don't you care about health? Don't you care
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about little children, big children as seniors? I wear a mask around seniors. You know what? I lost
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my dad to COVID. My mom is 88. You think I don't take precautions? It's crazy that everything that's
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going on now defies all logic. Well, and, and it's such a one-sided way of looking at it. Like,
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oh, don't you care about kids? It's like, well, don't you care about kids? Don't you want kids
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to be able to have a free childhood where they don't have to feel so restricted and, and kids
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growing up with paranoia and fear and adults telling them that, that everything could be at risk. I mean,
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what I, I, you know, I look at, uh, the, the sort of like, you, we, we talk about Gen Z and how
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they're very protected and how they want college speech codes and they need safe spaces and all
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this kind of stuff. Um, I, I can't imagine what the generation is growing up now, how, how, how much,
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you know, more like that they're going to be just given that they're growing up in this environment
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where, you know, we're told that we have to live in bubbles and that, you know, everything could
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potentially kill them. It's like, what, what kind of impact is this going to have on, um, that next
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generation? There was a survey that came out over the weekend, Sue Ann, uh, from the Canadian press,
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they reported on it saying that there was a survey. It was, it was actually conducted by
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the Canadian hub for applied and social research from the university of Saskatchewan. And it found
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that Canadians are more divided than ever. They're completely divided over COVID-19 politics. Um,
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40% of Canadians said that they have lost, uh, contact with a close relative or a friend
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over disagreement over pandemic politics. Um, that the majority of Canadians, 72% said that the COVID-19
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pandemic and the 2021 federal election were the two most divisive issues, um, that, that they've
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lived through. And, you know, I think, I think a lot of people are seeing this, that people are wound
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up really tight, um, that people are angry, that there's a lot of disagreement. You see it play out
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on social media. You talk about how you were attacked. I think a lot of people feel that way.
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People who are outspoken about either being pro-vax or anti-vax, this, this issue is just
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dividing Canadian is really bad for our country. And yet we keep revisiting it over and over again.
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It's like, can't, maybe we should just let it go. You know, six wave, who cares? Why are we even
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focusing on it? If, if it's an endemic and so many people have, have either gotten it and had
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herd immunity or, or developed herd immunity among the population, or they're fully vaccinated.
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Like what, why, why do we even continue to focus on it knowing that it's so divisive? Um, I'm,
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I'm wondering what your experiences have been and why you think that we, uh, can't let this,
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issue go, even though we know it's so bad for us, you know, it's fear and look, I'm triple
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vaccinated. I'm boosted. And the way I feel is that if you asked me to get a vaccine to protect myself
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and protect others, then I did it. I, I, I agreed to it. Uh, I've had some lingering side effects,
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which are, are not fun, but, um, I did what I was asked to do and, you know, now I want to roam
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freely. I want to live freely, you know? Uh, and I think that, uh, people keep, uh, moving the bar,
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particularly politicians. And now they're talking about a fourth booster. And I've talked to other
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people and they said, there's no way they're going to get another booster. I mean, how long
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are we going to have this push on, be pushed on us? And Candace, I think that was a large part of
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what the freedom convoy was all about, that people have been pushed. They've been isolated. They've
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been locked down. They've been told how to live their lives for the last two years. And enough is
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enough enough. Look, I think that in our population, those who haven't had COVID, we probably all will
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have a mild form of COVID at one point. Two weeks ago, I had terrible, terrible cold. I thought it
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was COVID. I got tested. No, it was just a cold. It was a really bad cold. Um, which I think I picked
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up at the Trump rally with 12,000 unmasked people, but I was there and roaming free and enjoying my day.
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Um, but you know, immediately everybody thinks it's COVID. We had a friend down here from, uh, Toronto
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who didn't want to have dinner with even my wife, because she was exposed to me with my cold. I did not
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have COVID. So it's just, it's been so ingrained in people that they've lost all sense of all common
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sense, all sense of logic. It's funny because during the trucker convoy, I was waiting for the
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headlines to say, Oh, this is going to be a super spreader event because that's what the media has
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been obsessed with. Anytime there's a conservative minded protest, they focus on super spreaders.
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Anytime it's a social justice, left-wing black lives matter protests, then it's, it's just
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righteous, but the media always focused on it. So I was waiting for those stories and they never came.
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And there was never any COVID wave that, that resulted from all of those truckers gathering.
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I think because everyone kind of knew, okay, first of all, Omicron made everyone a little bit more
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immune to COVID. And second, they were all outside and the chances of you getting COVID, uh, outside
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are very, very low. But Sue, I wanted to ask you, cause I know you're, you're down in Florida
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and you, you mentioned you went to the Donald Trump rally there. Uh, tell me a little bit about the
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rally and tell me just more broadly about the difference between, cause you, you spent most of the
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the pandemic, I believe in Toronto and Ontario around sort of the COVID hypochondriacs as you
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call them. Um, and, and, and then, and then the second part in, in Florida where it's super relaxed
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and they've kind of moved on and no one even talks about COVID, no one wears masks anymore. So maybe
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you can comment on that, on the differences. Well, the only paranoid people down in Florida are
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New Yorkers, frankly, because they've been so indoctrinated, but you know, it's interesting when I
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first came down here, I saw a lot of people wearing masks in the grocery stores and Costco.
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And in the last two weeks, it's been totally relaxed. You don't see hardly anybody wearing
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masks. Uh, we went to a couple of theater performances in November and December into
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January. There were strict rules about wearing masks. We had to show our vaccine cards, none of
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that anymore. We just went to a play the other day, no masks, no, I mean, there were people wearing
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masks in the audience, but no, no requirement. Um, nobody talks about it. Uh, I don't see the same
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kind of signs anywhere. Walk into a grocery store, walk into a regular, you know, store,
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one of my favorite dress stores, no issues. It's free. It's totally free. And the only time I had to
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wear a mask was when I was at the Palm beach airport yesterday. That was a federal requirement.
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Uh, at the Trump rally, there were 12,000 people, 12,000. I could not believe in Fort Lauderdale
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packing this arena. Almost every stand was full. They waited the entire day to hear Donald Trump
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after a succession of speakers. We were there from 1130 on and he didn't speak till about six
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o'clock. So it was, who else was there? What other speakers did you hear? And his Owen spoke
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and, um, Donald Trump Jr. Spoke and Dan Bongino spoke, uh, very, very interesting group of speakers.
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Um, and, uh, like I said, people waited and waited to hear him and he didn't disappoint. Uh, and might I
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add, no one was wearing masks at all, all 12,000 people that I estimated were there. Nobody was wearing
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masks. And so what was the, what was the purpose of the rally? Is he, is he running for president or
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what, what, what was the, what was the kind of, you know, rationale behind having this big rally
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here in Florida? He's been doing a series of them. He's done one in South Carolina. He did one in
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Michigan the other night. He's doing one in, I believe Georgia. I've been, I'm, I'm on his list
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now. So I, you know, I get requests to buy doormats and hats and all kinds of stuff and notices
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about his rallies. Um, but he's, he's doing a series and I think he's testing the waters to
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run. He's raising money. Um, frankly, I think a better choice would be if you asked me, Ron
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DeSantis, uh, there's some talk about him running and the next election. I think he's a kinder,
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gentler Trump, but he's tough and he puts his foot down and I really respect the guy. This is the
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governor of Florida, of course. Yeah. I'm surprised to hear you say that. Cause I, I do know that some
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people in Florida don't want to see him go. They, they say, you know, stop, stop talking about Ron
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DeSantis for, for president, because he's doing such a good job here in Florida that we don't
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want to lose him. Cause if without him, you know, we'll have some other, uh, either a Republican
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that doesn't have the spine that DeSantis has, or some awful Democrat that's going to bring in all
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the same kind of roles that we've had in Ontario and, and, and other sort of blue states,
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um, in the U S well, uh, that's, that's really interesting. And I know you reported from that
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rally. So I encourage viewers to go, go check that out. Cause it's really definitely interesting.
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And, uh, Sue, and you're keeping your finger on the pulse. I did have a final question for you.
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You mentioned that you were down at the airport yesterday. I know they're federally regulated,
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and I know that, that there's some push from airlines to get the Biden administration to drop the
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mask mandate, but, uh, more interesting than the mask mandate was who you bumped into at the, uh,
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local airport there in Palm beach, Florida. So why don't you tell us about that?
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Well, uh, I didn't exactly bump into him. I saw him. He was trying to hide from me was mayor John
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Tory. Um, he has a home down here and, uh, you know, I'm just going to say that, uh, he has every
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right to travel, but I'm going to give the proviso that that very morning, yesterday morning,
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he posted something on Twitter, uh, that made it seem like he was in his office in Toronto. It was
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about the Raptors. So it's the whole thing again, like sneaking down to Florida, pretending you're
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not there, you know, just be open about it, be honest. Um, and I'm sure this isn't the first time
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he's come down and it was just, you know, it was so hypocritical, you know, you know about politicians
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and they pretend they're not traveling, but they are. And, uh, I don't think he was very happy to see
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that I saw him. And the reason I was at the gate is that air candidate didn't have anybody to wheel
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my mom to the gate. So I got a special pass. So he probably rude the day that I actually got the
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special pass to come to the gate. Well, maybe, maybe he called the security on you. And maybe
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that was the reason they thought you were a security threat because he was probably like,
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get this reporter out of here before she blows my cover. Well, no, it is interesting because I know
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there's no, there's no travel ban right now and there's no lockdowns happening right now,
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but, but the same type of people who encourage you to be, you know, encourage the public and,
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and lecture us and tell us to be hyper careful and, and to avoid contact and, and to not kind
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of go out there and live our lives. You know, they turn around in their personal life. They
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go down to their mansion in Florida and have a time with their family and do frankly, whatever
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they want. And there's sort of this, this opinion, cause I saw your tweet and I saw a lot
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of the reaction that people were angry that he was doing that, which, you know, politicians
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have every right to travel and they have every right to go on vacation just like the rest
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of us. But, but the, the issue is, is sort of the double standard and the idea that they're
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allowed to lecture us and tell us what to do. And then in their personal life, they just
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kind of go in and do whatever you want. What did you think about the reaction to your,
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to your story there? I thought it was, you know, very predictable and very, you know,
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in sync with, I mean, politicians are not very connected with the average person these
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days. And John Tory is no exception or how the average person feels, but here's a man
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who's pushing his vaccine ride clinics, things on the TTC vaccine read. He's got clinics in
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libraries. I'm beginning to wonder if he's going to have them on the golf courses, but
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the golf courses just opened in Toronto. I mean, he's ramming vaccinations down people's
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throats, five to 11 year olds, which I think is totally wrong. He's talking about taking
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precautions. I see him at photo ops with masks on inside, you know, it's just bizarre. So
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it's like left brain, right brain, you know, Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde, whatever you want to call
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it. But, you know, you, you preach this and, and he was one of the most Econian lockdown
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mayors in all of Canada. Poor Toronto has suffered tremendously. And, you know, then you
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see him standing at the airport, you know, with his little mask on, cause it's Palm Beach
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airport. What did he think people were, how they were going to react? I was actually shocked
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to see him in line. How did he think people were going to react?
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Well, he probably just assumed that no one would, no one would see him, but it's interesting
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to see the sort of populist reaction to a lot of these politicians. Like I, I mean, I think
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that the, the, the, the worst, the politician who was the first to get ousted was Aaron O'Toole
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for the conservatives. And I just remember when the truckers came to Ottawa and he, he
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originally didn't want to meet with them and he was sort of, didn't want to be associated
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with the populism. Um, he came out with his own, uh, trucker, uh, policy, what he would
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do alternatively to, uh, what Trudeau is doing with the, with the border ban. And his, his
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proposition was to have vaccine clinics at truck stops. And that was supposedly going
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to, going to fix this whole issue, which totally misunderstands the whole purpose of why the
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truck, the truckers weren't protesting because they didn't have access to vaccines, protest
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because they didn't want to have the mandate. Right. And the idea that some politician would
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say, Oh, it's okay. We'll just bring them. We'll bring the vaccines to you. It just totally
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shows how little some of these politicians really grasp the issues of the people in front
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of them. They don't. And listen, I, I, I would dearly love to find out how many people have
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actually shown up to those clinics. They are huge drain on resources. And I would bet you
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that the, the probably a handful of people have come and gotten vaxxed. People are just,
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it's over. People have had enough. And like Toronto is no exception, whatever place you're
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talking about, they've had enough, enough with the clinics, enough with the masking indoors
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to virtue signal, you know, it's crazy. I think that's a perfect way to end it. Sue Ann is perfect
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note to end it. Just let it, let it end, let it be over. We're done with it. Let us move on with
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our lives. Well, thank you so much for joining us, Sue Ann. Always great to have you on the show.
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That's Sue Ann Levy with True North. I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is the Candice Malcolm Show.