The Candice Malcolm Show - The Biggest LOSERS of the 2025 Canadian Election

00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Candace Malcolm, and this is The Candace Malcolm Show.

00:00:04.040 Happy Friday, everyone.

00:00:05.020 We have a great show for you.

00:00:06.660 Obviously, we had the big election on Monday night.

00:00:09.200 Thank you, everyone, who tuned into our live broadcast.

00:00:11.960 Our goal was to replace the CBC.

00:00:14.040 We didn't quite get there, but we had a fantastic night.

00:00:16.440 Great guests, great insight.

00:00:17.820 We had a decision desk making the live calls.

00:00:20.180 So we really appreciate everyone who joined us.

00:00:22.440 Because the election went so late, our broadcast ended at 2 a.m., not all of the dust had sort

00:00:26.700 of settled.

00:00:27.060 So we're going to do a recap today of the election and talk about who I think are the

00:00:32.720 biggest winners and the biggest losers of the campaign.

00:00:36.420 There were a lot of losers, and we're going to go through them all.

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00:00:48.240 Okay, to join me on this episode, we're going to have a lot of fun today on The Candace Malcolm

00:00:51.280 Show.

00:00:51.700 And I am pleased to be joined by one of my favorite political commentators, Wyatt Claypool.

00:00:56.320 He is the founder of the National Telegraph and a political commentator based in Calgary.

00:01:00.840 Wyatt, thanks for joining us.

00:01:02.480 Absolutely.

00:01:02.960 Thanks for having me on.

00:01:04.160 Okay, so let's just go through the final count.

00:01:06.360 We have the, this is as of Friday morning.

00:01:08.720 I think most of the votes are in, but there will be, of course, a few recounts.

00:01:12.440 So the way that it all finished is that the Liberal Party of Canada is sitting at 168

00:01:16.960 seats.

00:01:17.580 They got 8.5 million votes, 43.7% total.

00:01:22.980 And then next we have the Conservatives' 144 seats, 8,089,000 votes, which represents 41.3%.

00:01:30.460 The NDP had seven seats, 1.2 million, which was 6.3 seats.

00:01:34.520 Interestingly, the Bloc also had 6.3% of the vote, but they have a much more efficient

00:01:39.620 breakdown because they only run candidates in one province in Quebec.

00:01:43.620 So they got 23 seats for their 1.2 million.

00:01:47.100 Green Party effectively got wiped out in this election.

00:01:49.400 One seat for their crazy leader, Elizabeth May, and 1.3% of the vote, 240,000 in change

00:01:55.580 votes.

00:01:56.140 And the PPC also got wiped out, zero seats, only 140,000 votes, 0.7% of the campaign.

00:02:03.760 Interestingly, there was a flip.

00:02:05.540 So the Liberals lost a closely contested seat to the Bloc Quebecois after vote validation.

00:02:10.740 I think it ended up switching by like 70 votes, which is enough to switch it over.

00:02:15.040 So sometimes in democracy, it really comes down like every single vote matters.

00:02:18.860 This election was so close.

00:02:20.020 It was really won just in a handful of seats across the country.

00:02:22.880 Remember, the magic number to get a majority is 172.

00:02:26.840 Liberals finished at 168.

00:02:28.520 It looks like I think there'll be a handful of recounts, but my guess is it'll roughly stay

00:02:32.600 the same at 168.

00:02:35.020 And so I know that there's been some speculation about this idea that all the Liberals would

00:02:39.720 have to do is convince four NDP or four Green or four Block members, or not Green, one

00:02:45.520 Block, four Greens to just cross the floor and come on over to the Liberals.

00:02:49.460 I think that's highly unlikely because just as you may say you can find four people from

00:02:54.440 other parties to cross the floor to the Liberals, you could also very easily have four Liberals

00:02:59.480 be convinced to cross the floor to the Conservatives to spoil it for Mark Kearney and be given,

00:03:04.640 you know, a special position in the Conservative Party.

00:03:06.820 It goes both ways.

00:03:07.580 We've seen that happen before.

00:03:08.980 So I don't see any pathway to Mark Kearney magically coming up with a majority here.

00:03:12.980 What do you think?

00:03:13.980 Well, you're right.

00:03:14.900 It's an arbitrary argument that, well, look, they only need five seats.

00:03:19.340 So why don't five NDP MPs move over so then they can fill the speaker position and they

00:03:25.520 can have their full majority without having to tie break votes?

00:03:28.140 It's like, OK, but and I've said this in many shows before, there is a reason why the

00:03:33.260 Liberal Party and the NDP are different parties.

00:03:36.120 It's not just because they just decided they like the color orange better.

00:03:40.440 Jagmeet Singh had very much obscured the differences between the Liberals and the NDP, but like

00:03:45.500 what many NDP MPs have said, they are not crossing the floor.

00:03:49.200 And I think that they'd be fools to not see what the party is going to be like once they 0.56

00:03:53.760 pick a new leader. 0.95

00:03:54.480 They have been through three cycles with the same guy.

00:03:57.420 At least give someone else a chance for a bit.

00:03:59.840 And if they're smart, they'll actually try and re-embrace the blue collar labor vote

00:04:04.700 they used to have back in the day.

00:04:06.440 And they'll probably treat this minority government more like Jack Layton treated the 2004 Paul

00:04:13.520 Martin minority government.

00:04:15.180 Because back then, Jack Layton understood, even though, yes, the Liberals are more like

00:04:20.420 them than they are the Conservatives, that he needed to be able to pull the plug if he

00:04:25.120 was actually going to be able to gain more political power.

00:04:27.480 Jagmeet Singh lost because he had no red line that he was willing, if crossed, to pull the

00:04:33.220 plug on Justin Trudeau and just let him sink.

00:04:36.220 Well, and we know he came out the week of the campaign and basically just said, we purposefully

00:04:40.460 propped up the Liberal government, even though we didn't agree with it, because we were just

00:04:43.260 dead set against Pierre Polyev and the Conservatives winning majority, which is totally counter to

00:04:49.000 any type of principle or even good strategic management of a political party.

00:04:53.520 Okay, I want to move on to talk about the PPC vote split.

00:04:56.360 There was a lot of comments and concern over this.

00:05:00.400 So from our account here at Juno News, we found that there were three seats where the

00:05:05.360 PPC vote was the difference, was the difference.

00:05:08.540 So Brampton East, you can see here that the Liberals got 23,600 votes.

00:05:13.040 The Conservatives got 21,600 votes.

00:05:16.060 So the difference was fewer than 2,000.

00:05:18.740 And the PPC came in right there with 2,300, enough to spoil it.

00:05:23.420 One riding over in Brampton, North Caledon.

00:05:26.060 You had the Liberals with 22,600.

00:05:29.060 The Conservatives with 22,000 and change.

00:05:31.540 And the PPCs with 600 votes.

00:05:33.980 Again, that's the difference, more than the difference right there.

00:05:36.580 Finally, just a little bit further over, in Kitchener-Costoga, the Liberals won with 30,000.

00:05:42.960 The Conservatives, 29,000, almost 500, basically.

00:05:46.840 And the PPCs with 700.

00:05:48.700 So such small margins and such a small number from the PPC.

00:05:51.740 I, again, I don't know for sure that every single PPC member, every single PPC voter,

00:05:58.520 sorry, is also a Conservative voter.

00:06:00.420 I think that a lot of people who go to the PPC are just protesting the system.

00:06:04.460 They're protesting the two parties.

00:06:06.340 They are anti-establishment.

00:06:08.440 And so I don't know that those were easy, easily, you could easily turn those people

00:06:14.120 into Conservative voters when it's such a small number.

00:06:17.640 But at the same time, obviously, it's frustrating to Conservatives to see just those three seats.

00:06:21.300 Obviously, three seats won't make a difference.

00:06:23.000 Like we talked about, the Liberals did win by enough to have more of a comfortable minority.

00:06:27.360 But still, every seat does matter.

00:06:29.520 So what do you make of this line of arguing?

00:06:32.540 I would sort of probably split those two areas into two different situations with the PPC.

00:06:39.960 In Brampton, the situation wasn't so much that, oh, don't they know that they should

00:06:44.640 be voting for the Conservatives in order to stop the Liberals?

00:06:48.280 They should be trying to get rid of the Liberal government. 0.98

00:06:50.760 They're obviously, like, super corrupt.

00:06:53.240 The problem was, is that in Brampton East, the PPC candidate, Jeff Wall, had tried to

00:06:59.000 contest one of the Ridings Conservative Party nominations and was arbitrarily kicked out.

00:07:04.700 And so it was less that he was running for the PPC because he liked the PPC and more so

00:07:09.780 that he was looking for an easy political vehicle to go after the party after having removed

00:07:14.840 him as a candidate.

00:07:15.620 And he ended up having a few other Hindu Canadians join him in running for the PPC in the Brampton

00:07:22.040 area out of protest.

00:07:24.200 People can agree with it.

00:07:25.320 They cannot agree with it.

00:07:26.400 They can say maybe he should suck it up and just get over it.

00:07:29.920 It's just that's politics at the end of the day, that if you end up messing with the wrong

00:07:33.780 person, they may not just go home and feel sad about it.

00:07:36.460 They may do something about it.

00:07:37.920 And then in Kitchener, Conestoga, this is more of, I would say, a lot of PPC guys, and

00:07:46.380 I even voted PPC in 2021.

00:07:48.400 I couldn't possibly vote O'Toole, and I'm in a safe Conservative riding.

00:07:52.660 But the people who are left over, I would say, are very much like the Green Party.

00:07:57.060 They are too anti-establishment to vote for any mainstream party.

00:08:00.880 And they will never come over because their actual list of demands will shift just so that

00:08:07.140 they can keep saying that they're a little bit too pure for the Conservative Party.

00:08:11.080 I made a video at one point where I had gone over some of the issues that PPC people were

00:08:17.620 having, some of the candidates on why you should vote for them, not the Conservative.

00:08:21.040 It was easily debunkable that they were saying, well, you know, Polyev has never stood up against

00:08:26.360 gender theory.

00:08:27.120 Well, Polyev has never stood up against, he never stood up against lockdowns or mandates.

00:08:31.780 He never did like this or that.

00:08:33.620 It's like, it's, you can just easily verify he did.

00:08:36.520 But these people, even if you ended up showing them that he did, it's still not good enough

00:08:40.640 because that's not the point of the party to actually get some principled policy position.

00:08:45.260 Is this to be better than the Conservatives?

00:08:47.600 No, that's absolutely right.

00:08:48.840 And I think that the idea is that you always vote for the most Conservative candidate that can

00:08:53.100 win, right?

00:08:53.700 And I like Maxine Bernier.

00:08:55.020 I think, I didn't vote in the leadership contest because I'm not a Conservative Party member,

00:08:59.100 but I would have been happy if Maxine Bernier had won the leadership of the party after Stephen

00:09:03.300 Harper stepped down.

00:09:04.420 I thought he was really good on cultural issues, really good on economic issues like supply

00:09:07.920 management.

00:09:08.520 He barely lost the leadership race to Andrew Scheer, right?

00:09:11.940 And it seemed like he could have had a great future in the party.

00:09:14.880 He decided to leave.

00:09:16.080 And I get the protest, right?

00:09:17.240 I understand in 2019 why you might have voted for Maxine Bernier to protest against the Conservative

00:09:22.220 Party going too soft, specifically on immigration, refusing to talk about it.

00:09:25.580 In 2021, definitely the COVID issue was madness.

00:09:30.140 Like, I'll tell you, Wyatt, watching the 2021 debate, all candidates debate with the leaders

00:09:35.380 and seeing that ridiculous propaganda video that they all put out promoting the vaccine,

00:09:40.180 speaking in unison, speaking like, honestly, like, it was creepy. 0.52

00:09:44.160 And to have the Conservative do that, like, the whole idea of a Conservative is our values

00:09:48.040 are different and they articulate the differences and they don't just succumb to the liberal

00:09:51.760 narrative.

00:09:52.140 So seeing a leader succumb to the liberal narrative, I'm all for it.

00:09:54.600 I'm all for, in 2021, voting for the People's Party.

00:09:58.380 But this time around, I just didn't see the imperative.

00:10:01.220 I didn't see the push.

00:10:01.920 Go ahead. 1.00

00:10:02.840 Yeah, I was just going to, I hated that stupid, we're all in this together video. 0.99

00:10:07.020 I don't know, there's never a moment where speaking in unison isn't creepy or as if it's 0.99

00:10:14.040 going to put people at ease because all these people are reading a script.

00:10:16.880 But yeah, the PPC now, they're basically a dead party.

00:10:20.840 The only thing I find annoying, because the thing is, I don't even not support small parties.

00:10:26.260 I flew on my own expense to Ontario in February just to hit doors for the new blue party of

00:10:32.720 Ontario because I don't think that Doug Ford is a good premier and I don't think the

00:10:36.680 PC party is doing anything conservative.

00:10:39.060 So you should be trying to prop up an alternative.

00:10:42.440 The problem is, my problem with the PPC, and this is a problem with all the elections,

00:10:46.980 they don't even try.

00:10:48.280 That's the problem.

00:10:49.480 I don't like when people take small donor money and they basically just burn it on pretending

00:10:55.180 like they're going to be standing up to the system or something like that.

00:10:58.520 I completely agree with that.

00:11:00.320 We'll get to more.

00:11:00.900 Okay.

00:11:01.060 I want to get to the biggest winners and the biggest losers in the election.

00:11:04.140 We'll get to a little bit more on Maxine Bernier in that.

00:11:06.880 First, I want to start with the winners.

00:11:08.480 I'm not going to sugarcoat it.

00:11:09.660 I'm not going to lie to the audience.

00:11:11.140 I will say the biggest winner of the election was Mark Carney and the Liberals.

00:11:14.160 They pulled off something absolutely remarkable.

00:11:16.740 It was spectacular.

00:11:17.940 The reversal in fortunes that we saw in this country.

00:11:20.740 Mark Carney took a party that was down and out.

00:11:23.420 There was a certain point at the early part of 2025 where the NDP was actually pulling ahead

00:11:28.160 of Justin Trudeau and the Liberals, it was possible that the Liberals were going to get

00:11:32.140 wiped out.

00:11:33.380 Mark Carney showed up and managed to do something that just rarely happens in politics, a total

00:11:38.620 reversal of fortune.

00:11:40.640 He had the legacy media working in overdrive for him.

00:11:43.200 They crafted the perfect narrative.

00:11:44.980 It was, I've said it before on the show, it was like a black swan event where you had 0.87

00:11:48.400 Donald Trump making these ridiculous comments, Canadians getting really worried about the 0.58

00:11:52.240 literal annexation or the effects of trade wars. 0.89

00:11:55.100 Mark Carney coming in as this sort of stable, competent, middle-of-the-road banker.

00:11:59.140 We know that that isn't true, but so many Canadians fell for it and you have to hand

00:12:03.180 it to them for being just so manipulative and so good at it.

00:12:07.860 It's like they're so good at being evil and they pulled it off.

00:12:10.820 Unbelievable.

00:12:11.700 I think more winners in this election were certainly independent media, independent citizen

00:12:17.140 journalists, content creators, podcasters.

00:12:20.160 You saw a whole new class of individuals, so many of them we had on our show.

00:12:24.380 But they were there breaking it down, getting huge numbers on platforms like YouTube, TikTok,

00:12:30.560 X.

00:12:30.920 I mean, there's like 20 or 25.

00:12:32.880 And for me, I've been doing this independent media gig for the last, I think, four elections,

00:12:37.780 2015, 2019, 2021, 2024, 2025.

00:12:41.600 This was the first one where I really felt like I just had good company.

00:12:45.040 There were so many people around saying the same kind of thing, doing the same kind of

00:12:48.280 thing.

00:12:48.400 It didn't feel so lonely.

00:12:49.540 I think in previous elections, it was just like true north and the rebel basically fighting

00:12:53.660 against everyone.

00:12:54.600 And this time it felt like there was more of a critical mass.

00:12:56.760 Obviously, we didn't have enough to push it over for the good side, for the conservatives.

00:13:01.660 But I think that the future is being laid out in front of us.

00:13:04.920 I think that the legacy media really have lost their grip.

00:13:07.700 And I hope and I pray that this was the last election that they were actually able to set

00:13:12.120 the narrative because, yes, we put cracks in the narrative.

00:13:15.540 They still said it, though.

00:13:16.900 And so I think, yes, we were the winners, but the legacy media still had their day.

00:13:22.880 Just a few more winners election.

00:13:24.280 I think new conservative MPs.

00:13:25.740 I'm very excited about a handful of freshmen or first time elected MPs.

00:13:30.020 People like Andrew Lawton, who we had on the show yesterday, former True North journalist.

00:13:33.440 Matt Strauss, who was an incredible fighter for the fighting against the madness in a group

00:13:39.920 thing during COVID.

00:13:41.040 He was elected.

00:13:42.460 Aaron Gunn, documentary filmmaker and independent journalist out in British Columbia was elected.

00:13:46.320 And David Bextie, Kian Bextie's father, was elected.

00:13:49.220 So there's a whole slate of new conservative candidates that I am very excited about.

00:13:53.640 Final winner for me was Danielle Smith and for the future of Alberta.

00:13:58.140 She just came across as being so strong, so confident in her views, really speaking differently

00:14:04.680 than the crowd and being able to articulate herself.

00:14:07.620 And I think that the movements, the strategy that she's had post-election, changing the

00:14:11.540 citizenship initiative, referendum requirements, and coming out demanding a reset in the relationship

00:14:17.800 with Ottawa.

00:14:18.860 I think Danielle Smith definitely came out as a big winner of the campaign. 0.99

00:14:22.020 OK, Wyatt, what did you think of my winner's list?

00:14:23.820 And do you have your own?

00:14:24.660 I thought especially the one about independent media is good, not just because I work in

00:14:29.800 independent media, you know, you don't exist just to gas each other up.

00:14:34.100 But genuinely, you're right.

00:14:35.760 Back in the last election, there wasn't really a big collection of people covering the news.

00:14:40.980 It was, yeah, just a few collections of networks, a few niche YouTubers, and that was it.

00:14:47.100 I'm going to add another winner to your list.

00:14:50.140 It hurts me to say it, but a big winner of the night was Bruce Fanjoy, a man who had been

00:14:56.960 mocked for probably two years trying to take on Pierre Polyev in Carlton.

00:15:00.560 And was he helped by a big boundary redistribution?

00:15:04.440 Yes.

00:15:04.780 Was he helped by the fact that Pierre Polyev really didn't have time to run his own riding?

00:15:09.440 Yes.

00:15:09.840 But, you know, if you win the seat, you still get the credit for it.

00:15:13.720 But I will even add that the Conservative Party still had a good night.

00:15:17.040 There were certain areas, you could say, that the southwestern Ontario Conservatives did really,

00:15:23.420 really well.

00:15:24.460 We won Windsor West and both Windsor ridings, despite some of those not having gone Conservative

00:15:30.100 since 1935, I believe.

00:15:32.540 And so there are a lot of good highlights around the country for the Conservatives.

00:15:36.640 The fact that the Conservatives' vote has actually become far more efficient than it was in previous

00:15:41.620 elections.

00:15:42.160 In previous elections, they could win the popular vote and still come in with only 119 seats.

00:15:48.400 And now you can actually lose the popular vote and you can come in nearly almost at what

00:15:52.720 the Liberals had.

00:15:53.760 If one point just shifted from the Liberals to the Conservatives, it may be a completely

00:15:58.160 different election.

00:15:59.580 And I think you're right where the thing that the legacy media did and Mark Carney had

00:16:04.300 done, yes, they won the night, so they get the credit still.

00:16:07.740 At the same time, it's one of those tricks you can only pull once.

00:16:11.280 And my evidence is Chinese interference in this election did not go very well.

00:16:15.980 The CCP had no effect.

00:16:17.660 Chinese Canadians voted Conservative by quite a large margin because you can't pull the 1.00

00:16:23.580 same trick twice.

00:16:24.400 In 2021, they scared Chinese Canadians into thinking the Conservatives blame you for COVID 0.99

00:16:29.740 because you're Chinese, which was ridiculous. 0.97

00:16:32.360 But if you live potentially in a small media bubble of mostly listening to a few Chinese 0.92

00:16:37.720 publications sent to you over WeChat, you may be influenced.

00:16:41.360 This election, it didn't matter what they did.

00:16:43.960 It just did not work.

00:16:45.460 Chinese Canadians didn't want to hear it. 1.00

00:16:46.820 And they were just going to vote for whoever was going to perform well on drugs, crime and

00:16:51.160 taxes.

00:16:52.420 Absolutely.

00:16:53.020 And we can go through some of the writings that have a high Chinese population, like

00:16:57.120 Markham Unionville, like the Richmond writings out in British Columbia that did go Conservative.

00:17:01.500 So again, yeah, I did an entire show on Tuesday of the good news from the election.

00:17:06.860 And I did think that the Conservatives overperformed.

00:17:09.580 They picked up a lot.

00:17:10.500 I mean, I was going through some of the writings, Wyatt, in the 905, like Richmond Hill, the Vaughn

00:17:15.500 writings.

00:17:16.100 I mean, they were winning with like rural Alberta number.

00:17:19.180 Now I know David Bexty got elected with over 80%.

00:17:21.420 So there was no riding in Ontario where a Conservative got more than 80%.

00:17:25.000 But I mean, Melissa Lansman, one with a higher percentage in Thornhill, which is basically

00:17:30.560 Toronto, than Michelle Rempel did in Calgary, in King Vaughn, 62%.

00:17:37.760 So, you know, big numbers for the Conservatives, very close to Toronto.

00:17:41.420 So I do think that there is some good news. 0.87

00:17:43.780 OK, let's go through the losers.

00:17:45.360 Everybody wants to know who are our biggest losers of the election.

00:17:49.720 Number one, by far, far and away, the absolute biggest loser in the election, probably the

00:17:56.000 biggest loser in Canadian political history.

00:17:58.540 That award is going to go to Jagmeet Singh and the NDP, absolutely wiped out, losing

00:18:04.720 party status.

00:18:05.740 Jagmeet Singh loses his own riding, will go down in history as a laughingstock and a total

00:18:10.360 joke who enabled the worst government in Canadian history.

00:18:13.580 And I want you to get a load of this, Wyatt, because I noticed this from an individual named

00:18:19.300 Brett Cameron on X.

00:18:21.220 He posted this.

00:18:22.520 He writes, the number of campaigns that failed to get 10% of the vote, thereby not qualifying

00:18:27.680 for a juicy Elections Canada rebate check to repay bank loans and replenish the local

00:18:33.180 war chest.

00:18:34.020 You can look at this chart.

00:18:35.480 First of all, it is so absurd that taxpayers subsidize political parties in this country.

00:18:40.240 I mean, this is so ridiculous that the Elections Canada gives you a rebate check for the amount

00:18:44.720 of money that you spend on the campaign if you hit a certain threshold. 0.97

00:18:48.180 It's just silly.

00:18:48.740 But anyways, I disagree with the policy, but this is the reality of it.

00:18:52.380 So here is a list of conservative, liberal, NDP, block, green, and PPC, the number of

00:18:56.780 campaigns that they ran, and then the number that were below the 10%.

00:19:00.840 So conservatives had two below the 10%.

00:19:02.780 Libs had one.

00:19:04.180 The NDP had 296 out of 342 that were below 10%, meaning they won't get the rebate, meaning

00:19:13.280 I think the party is going to go bankrupt.

00:19:14.960 I think the party is going to go bankrupt because if you know political campaigns, a lot of

00:19:19.520 times, like he said, they take out bank loans.

00:19:22.360 They're literally running their campaign on debt in the hopes that the government is going

00:19:26.580 to write them a big subsidy check afterwards.

00:19:28.680 All they have to do is get 10% of the vote.

00:19:31.020 The NDP just didn't accomplish it.

00:19:32.480 In 87% of the ridings that they ran in, they're not getting the money.

00:19:36.680 Likewise, the block, sorry, the Green Party didn't make the threshold in 98% of the ridings

00:19:43.760 that they ran in.

00:19:44.300 They only made it in four ridings and the PPC in 100.

00:19:47.280 So the PPC is not getting any money.

00:19:48.700 The block is only getting it for four ridings.

00:19:50.260 And the NDP, 87%.

00:19:53.060 I predict that the party could go bankrupt.

00:19:55.660 What do you think, Wyatt?

00:19:56.940 100% they might have to sell the Layton building because that's how they usually were funding

00:20:01.300 their campaigns.

00:20:02.260 You bring in a good chunk of donations.

00:20:04.900 You put that up as like proof that you can fundraise to a bank.

00:20:08.380 Then you take out a massive few million dollar loan on the Jack Layton building in Ottawa.

00:20:13.480 And then you run a bunch of candidates.

00:20:15.100 And what I've heard from NDP insiders is it doesn't matter how that money was raised and

00:20:19.080 spent.

00:20:19.520 They just act like a kleptocracy after the election and steal all of the rebate checks 0.81

00:20:24.200 that every single riding was given until they actually pay off the building.

00:20:27.960 And then the local ridings can start to fundraise their own money again, knowing that they

00:20:32.800 will have to pay back their rebate to the party at once the election is over.

00:20:37.700 The thing with Jagmeet Singh too is that he probably didn't even benefit the liberals against

00:20:43.960 the Conservatives as much as he thought.

00:20:45.960 The blue collar ridings that the NDP held, the Conservatives grabbed them.

00:20:50.320 That's why they were winning so well in Windsor.

00:20:55.220 It's not that those were NDP ridings before, but the whole point is that the NDP had a substantial

00:20:59.460 vote there.

00:21:00.260 Oftentimes with the ridings where the Conservatives came in third, but they ended up grabbing up

00:21:05.080 pretty much 100% of the NDP vote because the type of person voting NDP in that area is

00:21:10.880 far more likely to go Conservative if the NDP pulls out and just puts up a paper candidate

00:21:15.720 and barely tries.

00:21:16.880 And then the other ridings that the NDP lost were in like downtown Vancouver, downtown Toronto,

00:21:22.840 where you should be competing as hard as possible because this is a riding where it's either

00:21:27.540 going to be Liberal or NDP.

00:21:29.080 But Jagmeet Singh had managed this election so poorly that it's basically just because of

00:21:35.560 the personality and character of some of their MPs that were able to hold on that got them

00:21:41.020 through.

00:21:41.640 So he ended up stripping out every single virtue for somebody on the left that the NDP held.

00:21:47.380 And so now the party basically came in a distant, distant fourth for what?

00:21:54.160 The benefit of giving like Mark Carney a slightly bigger minority when they could have had those

00:21:59.660 seats?

00:22:00.940 It's really interesting.

00:22:02.220 I don't know what will happen with the party.

00:22:03.740 They've got their work cut out for them, whether they do want to rebuild or whether they just

00:22:07.080 want to fold and put their votes in with the Liberals and then we'll have a real two-party 0.99

00:22:11.380 system in Canada.

00:22:12.920 But it's hard to imagine them recovering.

00:22:14.560 I want to move on because we've got a few more names to get to here.

00:22:16.660 So we talked about them quite a bit at the beginning of the show. 0.97

00:22:19.040 But Maxime Bernier and the People's Party were losers. 0.81

00:22:22.080 And the losing didn't stop for Maxime Bernier on Election Day. 0.99

00:22:24.520 He came out afterwards on X and he was just whining and he sounded like a sore loser.

00:22:29.640 I'm going to read what he had to say here on X.

00:22:31.680 He said, so in this election, the PBC lost roughly 700,000 of its 840,000 votes from 2021,

00:22:38.220 83%.

00:22:38.640 That's not a flex, man.

00:22:39.980 That's embarrassing.

00:22:40.860 You got wiped out and that's how you're responding.

00:22:43.500 He writes, I suspect the vast majority voted for the Conservatives having to succumb to the

00:22:47.420 don't split the vote.

00:22:48.560 We must beat the libs at this time hysteria. 0.91

00:22:51.340 No, that's not true.

00:22:52.040 I will admit I voted for Maxime Bernier and the People's Party in 2021 as well for the opposite

00:22:56.660 reason probably that you did, Wyatt.

00:22:57.960 I was living in Rosedale at the time, University of Rosedale, Christopher Young's riding, and

00:23:03.040 the Conservatives had absolutely no hope.

00:23:04.600 So my vote did not matter.

00:23:05.680 And I figured I might as well do the principal's vote.

00:23:07.360 I liked Maxime Bernier better than Aaron O'Toole.

00:23:09.240 I didn't want to reward the Conservatives for running a terrible left-wing campaign.

00:23:12.660 So I voted for them.

00:23:13.660 And this time around, I didn't succumb to the don't split the vote hysteria.

00:23:16.740 I just put my vote back to the party where it usually is because last time around, it

00:23:21.040 was a protest vote.

00:23:21.900 Okay, I'll keep reading from Maxime Bernier.

00:23:24.300 He says, and yet that strategy failed.

00:23:26.420 We still have another liberal government and Poliev couldn't even win his own seat.

00:23:29.780 That's fair.

00:23:30.760 But the insane CPC trolls and the fake independent journalists and influencers paid by the CPC

00:23:35.820 are still accusing the PPC of helping Carney.

00:23:38.480 So all of a sudden, we're fake independent journalists.

00:23:40.720 I have interviewed Maxime Bernier on my show half a dozen times or more.

00:23:43.960 I've happily helped promote his cause through my platform.

00:23:47.700 And then the second I'm critical of him and others, he calls us fake independent journalists

00:23:52.760 and accuses influencers of being paid by the CPC.

00:23:56.020 I don't see any influence of that.

00:23:57.540 So to me, this is just poor form.

00:23:59.680 And then he goes on to say that Poliev dropped the ball and that the PPC is a better place

00:24:04.120 to vote.

00:24:04.400 This just comes across as very petty.

00:24:06.660 And yes, just to rub it in a little bit more, the People's Party of Canada got 141,000

00:24:10.840 votes across the country in this election.

00:24:13.180 That is fewer people than read my emails every single morning.

00:24:16.280 That represents 0.7% of the population.

00:24:19.260 And I'm sorry, Maxime Bernier, you didn't even come close in your own riding.

00:24:23.180 You lost by a landslide.

00:24:24.280 The Conservative candidate there got 60% of the vote.

00:24:26.660 You got 5.8%.

00:24:27.960 You only got 3,600 votes in your own riding.

00:24:32.360 This isn't really a political party anymore.

00:24:34.500 This is sort of just like a personality.

00:24:36.260 Like Maxime Bernier should just become a podcaster or become a public intellectual and go back to

00:24:41.340 leading the movement through ideas rather than through politics because he didn't even try

00:24:46.220 in his own riding.

00:24:46.700 He could have done what Elizabeth May did, just put all of her resources into meeting people,

00:24:50.920 getting to know everyone in the boats.

00:24:52.360 I mean, he used to represent that riding.

00:24:54.020 I don't understand why he just doesn't do better there.

00:24:56.280 He needs to have a seat in parliament if he wants to be a politician.

00:24:59.760 Otherwise, I just don't understand what the whole point of it is.

00:25:03.480 Wyatt, what are your thoughts?

00:25:04.820 Someone should go back and analyze, and I have, analyzed that race from 2019 when he

00:25:09.640 was trying to win re-election in Boas back when he was the incumbent.

00:25:14.140 And the problem was that he only lost by 10% back then.

00:25:18.280 I think that he was almost intentionally trying to lose because he only lost by 10% in 2019.

00:25:23.360 Basically never showed up.

00:25:24.700 Did no pre-canvassing before the election of his own riding.

00:25:27.860 Maybe was there for four or five days during the actual election in 2019.

00:25:32.780 And he was off in rural Saskatchewan and Alberta and British Columbia,

00:25:37.860 getting votes in places where they were maybe going to get 3% or 5%.

00:25:42.460 And Maxine Bernier then, in a race where, again,

00:25:45.520 if he just flipped 5% of the conservative vote to himself, it would be a tie ballgame.

00:25:49.900 And he, as like a French politician who was very much anti-immigration,

00:25:55.960 could have easily gotten a lot of Bloc Québécois voters to probably swap over

00:26:00.220 to vote for him if he was going to be in an even stronger voice on that issue.

00:26:03.940 I just don't think he really cares.

00:26:05.420 I had him on my show in 2021 and never again because he continues to lie about actually making

00:26:11.900 a constitution for his party.

00:26:13.620 That's the funny thing.

00:26:14.780 He always goes after establishment parties for being very hierarchical at the same time

00:26:19.020 that his party is effectively a dictatorship where, by the way,

00:26:22.080 he frequently swaps in candidates for other people that he just happens to like better

00:26:27.580 even if a nomination went on in a PPC writing. 0.97

00:26:30.520 So the man's a complete hypocrite when he has full power to be as principled as possible. 0.94

00:26:35.920 The thing, too, is at least Maxine Bernier has proven that the American podcast circuit 0.97

00:26:41.340 does not get you votes.

00:26:43.200 One, the PPC for some reason couldn't get over two-thirds of the candidates on the ballot.

00:26:48.240 But the man did a podcast tour with every single major conservative influencer in the U.S.

00:26:54.860 And turns out it doesn't matter because most, like, it sounds shocking,

00:27:00.020 but Canadians don't watch a lot of American political news.

00:27:03.680 I know political Canadians will do that because they're interested in the U.S.,

00:27:07.640 but there was no way going on the Patrick Bette David podcast was going to help Pierre Polyev.

00:27:14.220 So thank you to Maxine Bernier for proving that nobody cares.

00:27:17.600 That's a really good point.

00:27:19.000 Okay, I want to quickly go through my final losers.

00:27:21.700 I'll just group them together.

00:27:23.260 The final losers for me in this campaign were the legacy media,

00:27:27.420 and shining in that was the CBC.

00:27:29.480 They were just so offended and so hurt by the things that happened at the debate,

00:27:34.300 and they couldn't hide it in their face.

00:27:36.020 They just came across as so unprofessional, so petty.

00:27:38.900 And I want to couple in with the legacy media,

00:27:41.300 the legacy media's favorite pollsters and the poll aggregators,

00:27:45.060 because they just got it wrong.

00:27:46.640 They got the election wrong.

00:27:47.800 I want to show you the 338 aggregate polls.

00:27:50.540 So this is taking all the fancy legacy media polls that happened during the campaign on any given day

00:27:54.960 and creating an aggregate list, so, like, kind of an average of them.

00:27:59.080 And here is what they had the day before the election.

00:28:03.120 Sorry, let me just pull it up here.

00:28:04.520 They had the Liberals at 43%, Conservatives at 39%, NDP at 8%, Block at 6%.

00:28:09.140 Okay, how did the election actually finish out?

00:28:10.860 The Liberals at 43.7%, so, okay, not terrible, 43% to 43.7%.

00:28:16.520 The Conservatives, though, at 41.3%, so they got them off by a full 2%,

00:28:21.220 and they got the NDP off by 2% as well.

00:28:25.420 So, again, like, why would we ever trust legacy media,

00:28:28.760 and why would we ever trust their pollsters again when they just got this one so wrong?

00:28:33.380 What do you think, Wyatt?

00:28:33.940 And that's aggregating some of the good ones with the bad ones.

00:28:37.940 The particularly bad ones were showing a 5% to 6% lead for the Liberals before Election Day.

00:28:44.840 So some polling is actually pretty good, but the thing is you have to be very selective with who you follow.

00:28:50.680 There isn't just this, oh, so you're denying the polls.

00:28:53.020 If I look, like, at an ECOS poll and it's saying a plus 8 Liberal victory, I'm saying that's not realistic.

00:28:58.280 When, I think it was some of the ones like Liaison Strategies and Research Co. towards the end,

00:29:02.860 we're still saying plus 5, plus 6 Liberals.

00:29:05.120 Like, well, that would have been a wipeout.

00:29:06.720 That would have been, like, 210 seats.

00:29:10.220 And, no, like, but just because Abacus or Main Street did a better job

00:29:15.480 does not then mean I'm going to be thinking,

00:29:18.360 oh, the polling industry is great because if you average it, it's not that bad.

00:29:22.240 But the polling industry outside of a couple of firms still has a really bad problem under polling conservatives.

00:29:29.720 And the thing is that you wonder how many people end up looking at it saying,

00:29:33.220 well, I'm not going to vote because the conservatives are losing by 6 or 7 points

00:29:37.440 based on these five pollsters, and there's only two that are even saying it's somewhat close.

00:29:42.520 Got to show up and vote because if the turnout was higher than 70%,

00:29:45.820 I think that would have actually carried the conservatives at least close to winning,

00:29:49.880 and it only came in, I believe, at, like, 68 and a half.

00:29:53.520 Yeah, well, that's totally the thing.

00:29:55.120 I think that the purpose of the polls in many ways, Wyatt, was to demoralize conservatives,

00:29:59.420 showing the Liberals with a huge lead, signaling to Canadians that the right thing to do was to vote Liberal,

00:30:04.780 was to put your elbows up, fight against Trump,

00:30:06.880 that whole ridiculous narrative that was constructed by the legacy media. 0.87

00:30:10.640 And so they were trying to demoralize. 0.66

00:30:12.320 I think that there was that sort of shy Tory effect

00:30:14.820 where they just didn't want to tell pollsters the truth.

00:30:17.480 And you're right.

00:30:18.340 When you take away the handful, the small handful of good ones like Abacus and Main Street,

00:30:22.520 which are at least not as biased as the other ones, the rest of the polls were even worse.

00:30:28.600 Okay, folks may be wondering why we haven't talked about Pierre Polyev and the conservatives.

00:30:32.480 Did we consider them a winner?

00:30:34.020 Did we consider them a loser?

00:30:35.080 We're going to do another segment where we're going to talk entirely about Pierre Polyev

00:30:38.680 and the conservatives and what we think they did right, what we think they did wrong.

00:30:42.260 So you're going to have to stay tuned for that.

00:30:44.340 All right, folks, thanks so much for tuning in.

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The Candice Malcolm Show - May 02, 2025

The Biggest LOSERS of the 2025 Canadian Election

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