The Candice Malcolm Show - The Charter didn’t stop Canada’s Covid slide towards tyranny

00:00:00.000 As liberals celebrate the 40th anniversary of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms,

00:00:04.640 many Canadians are wondering, if the Charter couldn't protect our freedoms during COVID,

00:00:08.640 then what is it good for? I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.

00:00:23.920 Hi, everyone. Thank you so much for tuning into the podcast. So as you probably saw,

00:00:27.700 there was a lot in the media last week about the Charter of Rights and Freedoms,

00:00:31.980 celebrating the Charter, acting as if that was the creation of Canada, as if Canada didn't have

00:00:37.400 a constitution prior to it, as if Canada wasn't really a country prior to it. Liberals love to

00:00:42.420 hold up the Charter as the sort of golden point of Canadian government and why we have our very

00:00:49.260 freedoms. It was signed into law about 40 years ago, 40 years ago in mid-April. So liberals over

00:00:55.240 at the Globe and Mail celebrated this. They had a piece saying Canada's Charter turned 40 on Sunday,

00:01:00.200 and it's still as radical and enigmatic as it was back in 1982. Well, the Charter is supposed to

00:01:05.980 protect Canadians' individual rights and freedoms against excessive government force and laws that

00:01:12.120 do not respect our individual dignity and our individual liberty. But as we all experienced

00:01:17.240 during COVID, heavy-handed government edicts routinely appended our most basic human rights.

00:01:23.500 Our religious freedoms were not upheld, as Section 2 is supposed to guarantee.

00:01:27.940 Pastors and church ministers were arrested and jailed for the crime of holding a church service.

00:01:33.860 Well, meanwhile, up the street, Costco and Walmart and big-box stores were allowed to stay open

00:01:39.060 with no harassment from the government whatsoever. Also in Section 2 of the Beloved Charter,

00:01:44.440 it lists fundamental freedoms like our right to free speech, to freedom of assembly, to press freedoms,

00:01:49.940 which of course were all violated by Justin Trudeau and his Emergencies Act, which disproportionately

00:01:55.260 used force against peaceful protesters. The Charter is supposed to protect our mobility rights. Let

00:02:00.480 me just read from Section 6. Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in, and leave 0.88

00:02:06.700 Canada. Rights to move and gain livelihood. So every Canadian has the right to move to or take up

00:02:13.680 residence in any province and to pursue the gaining of a livelihood in any province. Now, of course,

00:02:18.880 it has not been the case in Canada for over two years now. So many Canadians are still today 1.00

00:02:24.000 barred from travel. They can't even flee the country if they wanted to. So today I want to

00:02:30.020 talk more about the Charter and its many failings. And to do so, to help me do so, is our friend

00:02:35.640 John Carpe. John Carpe is the founder and president of the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms,

00:02:42.060 which was formed as a voice for freedom in Canada's courtroom. John has received the Pyramid Award

00:02:47.400 for ideas in public policy and recognition for his work in constitutional advocacy. The

00:02:52.240 Justice Centre's mission is to defend constitutional freedoms for Canadians through litigation

00:02:56.120 and education. John has devoted his entire legal career to defending constitutional freedoms

00:03:01.000 through litigation and education by resisting the unjust demands of intolerant government

00:03:06.780 authorities. So, John, thank you so much for joining the program.

00:03:10.440 Glad to be with you, Candice.

00:03:11.640 Okay, so let's just ask the basic question. Why didn't the Charter protect our freedoms during

00:03:16.800 COVID?

00:03:18.640 Two reasons come to mind immediately. One is that Canada has too few courts, too few judges. And so

00:03:25.480 it always takes years for important issues to get a court ruling compared to the United States, where

00:03:33.920 they seem to get court rulings on very significant lockdown measures, masks, quarantines, all kinds of

00:03:42.660 issues. And they get their rulings in weeks or sometimes months. And in Canada, it's never in weeks

00:03:51.860 or months. It always takes years. And that's a problem. When you've got governments violating our

00:03:58.700 rights and freedoms, we are into the 25th month, 26th month. The hardest part about the two weeks to

00:04:06.000 flatten the curve has been the first two years. And we don't have too many court rulings yet. We have

00:04:12.360 one in Manitoba and the other ones are moving through at the pace of molasses in February. So that's one big

00:04:20.460 problem. The second problem is that the Charter Section 1 gives governments the possibility of going to

00:04:27.920 court and concocting justification for violating rights and freedoms. And if that aligns well with the

00:04:37.060 judge, and if the judge is persuaded, then the judge will say, well, yes, okay, this law did violate religious

00:04:44.260 freedom or freedom of association, freedom of peaceful assembly, or this law does violate your right to bodily

00:04:50.460 autonomy to decide for yourself what gets injected into your body or not. But that's okay, because the judge

00:04:57.500 thinks that it's reasonable. And so we've got this Section 1 of the Charter that allows governments to

00:05:06.560 violate our freedoms if they can persuade a judge. And then it's really the luck of the draw. I mean, do you get a

00:05:13.760 do you land before a judge who really understands and appreciates fundamental freedoms, who actually demands that the

00:05:23.580 government come forward with persuasive evidence, not just speculation and modeling and fear mongering? Or do you get a judge who's more

00:05:33.020 pro-government? And those judges exist as well?

00:05:37.380 Well, it seems like there's a lot more of the pro-government judges. From my perspective, it seems like a lot of the judges make their

00:05:43.340 ruling based on their own views, rather than being tied to the sort of basic principles of protecting individual rights and

00:05:51.920 freedoms. So, John, why was this Section 1 put into the Charter? If the whole purpose of the Charter was as an addition to our

00:05:58.820 Constitution, to make sure that that federal government couldn't overreach and that individual rights were protected, if judges were just

00:06:04.640 going to interpret the law based on, well, the government was just trying to do its best or I agree with these rules and so I'm not

00:06:11.040 going to overturn it. I mean, why was that placed in and what good is a Charter with that in there?

00:06:17.380 Well, people were warned in 1982. People that looked at the Charter closely said, hey, wait a minute. This is going to give

00:06:27.120 unelected, unaccountable judges a lot of power to make rules about our laws and it's going to give this new legislative power to judges that

00:06:38.280 they've not had before. And this kind of fell on deaf ears. You know, Pierre Elliott Trudeau, at the time, there was television

00:06:45.760 advertisements with, you know, geese flying across the sky and this is Canada's chance to bring the Constitution home from Britain and there was

00:06:55.260 not a lot of debate on this question of, you know, do we want a Charter that gives judges the power to strike down laws. Now, more

00:07:06.040 specifically, you ask about Section 1 and I would venture a guess that it was put in there to have some kind of a mechanism

00:07:13.320 to recognize that rights are not absolute. And so the wording of Section 1 is that the Charter guarantees rights and freedoms,

00:07:25.260 subject to reasonable limits prescribed by law that can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

00:07:36.040 Now, it sounds good. So any violation of your freedom of speech, freedom of religion has to be reasonable and the onus is on

00:07:46.820 the government to justify it demonstrably. It sounds good, but it does give a lot of latitude to judges.

00:07:56.560 Well, that's unfortunate. I want to ask you because you mentioned that there was one case that made its way through

00:08:00.960 in Manitoba. Can you, off the top of your head, I don't know if you can, can you tell us a little bit

00:08:05.080 about what that case is and which rights it seeks to protect?

00:08:09.420 So we had the Justice Centre acted for some individuals and churches in the province of Manitoba.

00:08:16.560 We took the lockdown measures to court. We brought forward medical doctors, other scientists.

00:08:23.740 We had Dr. Jay Bhattacharya from Stanford University in California, world-renowned scientist and one of the co-authors

00:08:35.420 of the Great Barrington Declaration. We had other medical witnesses.

00:08:40.420 And we put forward very persuasive evidence as to the harm of lockdowns and questioning whether lockdowns were saving lives.

00:08:51.620 We put forward the medical and scientific evidence and the judge ruled against us and upheld all of these government measures,

00:09:00.340 but didn't really do a deep probing analysis of that evidence, but said, well, in times of crisis,

00:09:08.760 we really should just kind of defer to government. And it wasn't the deep and engaging type of analysis that we would have wanted.

00:09:16.180 And so we have appealed this to the Manitoba Court of Appeal, and we'll see if we do better at that level.

00:09:24.400 Well, good for you. And I'm curious as to why Manitoba was the place that you chose,

00:09:28.840 because I saw that the JCCF put out a ranking of the worst charter violators among the provinces.

00:09:34.920 It seems like, well, I can ask you for more details on this, but it goes Quebec number one,

00:09:40.040 British Columbia number two, Manitoba was number three.

00:09:42.560 So maybe you could tell us a little bit about this list and then why specifically you chose to do the legislation in or do the court case in Manitoba.

00:09:51.220 So when you're able to launch a constitutional challenge, it's often a constellation of different factors,

00:09:56.280 like having willing clients, having a good fact scenario that's going to put your clients into the best light.

00:10:04.360 So it was just kind of the convergence of various circumstances.

00:10:11.260 It wasn't that we really looked at Manitoba and said, well, we want to do Manitoba before we do other provinces.

00:10:17.980 It's more like it just came together there first.

00:10:21.100 But we also have litigation against lockdowns or against vaccine passports or both in BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario.

00:10:29.660 And it's only recently that we've got a full-time lawyer in Quebec.

00:10:35.640 And so we are hoping to do more litigation there as well, but have not been in the past as much.

00:10:44.860 So, well, that's great.

00:10:46.080 Congratulations on getting someone in Quebec.

00:10:48.300 John, why don't you tell us about the ranking, though?

00:10:50.640 What was it that made Quebec the worst offender during COVID?

00:10:53.920 Because I think you could talk to people in just about any province and they would think that their province was the worst.

00:10:58.500 I know I spent a bunch of time in Ontario during lockdowns and it was horrible there.

00:11:03.260 Alberta's been bad, people complaining. 0.88

00:11:05.760 Most of my family's out in British Columbia, including some unvaccinated family members who've basically been housebound because they can't go places.

00:11:13.160 And, you know, everyone probably feels like they are in the worst place.

00:11:17.200 So how did you come about this ranking and why was it that you deemed Quebec to be the worst?

00:11:22.320 So these assessments are somewhat subjective.

00:11:27.900 So, you know, somebody else could come along with a different ranking and it's not a mathematical equation.

00:11:33.680 It's not a science.

00:11:34.740 But we thought Quebec was the worst when you looked at the curfews, which I think Quebec was the only province that had those. 1.00

00:11:43.420 Utterly unscientific.

00:11:45.260 The politicians themselves, when asked, you know, are curfews going to save lives?

00:11:49.440 And they said, well, we don't know.

00:11:50.560 But just this fanatical obsession that, you know, if it might help just a little bit, let's just violate people's rights and freedoms, even if we have no idea if it's going to help save lives.

00:12:02.640 We'll do it anyway, just in case it might help.

00:12:05.340 That seems to be the attitude there.

00:12:07.240 So they had curfews, they closed the border with Ontario, which is violation of the charter mobility rights.

00:12:14.780 They had restrictions on travel within Quebec, depending on whether it was an orange or red or green zone.

00:12:22.400 They were the only province that was, took it upon, where the government actually thought so highly of itself that it could dictate who does and who does not come into a house of worship.

00:12:38.940 Blatant violation of religious freedom, where instead of the mosque, the synagogue, the church making its own decision about its own house of worship as to who is able to come in or not, the Quebec government said, if somebody's not had the COVID shots, they are not to come into the house of worship.

00:12:56.900 So they basically usurped the legitimate civil authority of, like private authority of houses of worship to practice their religious freedom by deciding, you know, who comes into the mosque, who does not.

00:13:13.420 And based on what criteria, the government stepped in and told the houses of worship, everybody has to be vaccinated.

00:13:20.280 No other province did that on a province by basis, although British Columbia did that for one of its health regions, the, there's one health region in the north that tried the same thing.

00:13:34.980 Other provinces violated religious freedom less severely.

00:13:39.200 British Columbia did close houses of worship entirely for a year and two months, which was, puts it up right behind Quebec.

00:13:45.560 But to finish off on Quebec, it's just the combination of curfews and telling houses of worship who is or is not allowed to attend the travel restrictions and then all the other lockdowns and raising the possibility as a serious item for that Premier Legault said, we're going to impose a tax on people that have not had two COVID shots.

00:14:15.120 And we're going to bar these people from grocery stores.

00:14:18.100 Now, the government backed down, may have been related to a warning letter received from the Justice Centre from our Quebec lawyer.

00:14:25.800 I don't know.

00:14:26.800 They backed down.

00:14:27.760 But the very fact that the Quebec government would actually seriously consider and announce that they were definitely going to impose a tax on people based on vaccination status.

00:14:37.920 Just just and last, very last point on Quebec, they still have mask mandates, the only place in Canada, probably the only place in North America where you have to wear a mask when you're in public spaces.

00:14:52.980 It's it's it's really remarkable that we are still living in this sort of dystopian nightmare.

00:14:58.900 John, there's been a lot of discussion recently about the sort of robustness of our institutions, the strength of our ability to sort of move on from COVID.

00:15:07.500 You wrote in a recent op-ed with the JCCF, you compared communism to Canada's pandemic response.

00:15:12.880 You said the utopian goal of communism and the utopian goal of a world with no COVID, both ideologies use the same have been used the same way to trample human rights and constitutional freedoms.

00:15:22.140 I'm wondering, like when you hear, for instance, conservative politicians say that Trudeau is acting like a dictator and then the response from the Laurentian elites in the media is just to absolutely clutch their pearls and say, how dare you say something like that about Trudeau?

00:15:38.000 But yeah, at the same time, we've lived through two years of just heavy handed, you know, really, really intensive government overreach.

00:15:45.000 Yeah, I wonder if you could kind of elaborate on your comparison of communism to our COVID reaction and then speak more broadly about the robustness of Canada to withstand these kind of emergencies that take two years to trample on our rights.

00:16:00.040 And, you know, we're still we're still not completely out of the woods.

00:16:04.760 So governments never take your rights and freedoms away without proffering a good pretext or a nice sounding excuse.

00:16:13.100 So dictators need an enemy who could be the enemy.

00:16:17.900 Well, it could be let's look at communist Russia, 1917, right on through to 1991.

00:16:25.740 The enemy is capitalism, capitalists, wealthy landowners, people that oppress the workers.

00:16:33.620 They are the enemy.

00:16:34.600 So in order to fight the enemy and build our socialist utopia, we have to take away your freedom of speech, your freedom of religion, your parental rights to raise your own children as you deem best, your freedom of association, your freedom of peaceful assembly.

00:16:48.340 We're taking away all your rights and freedoms, but it's for your own good, because we got these evil capitalists and aristocrats and landowners and factory owners that are oppressing the proletariat.

00:16:59.500 So we have to fight the bad guys.

00:17:01.260 Therefore, we need to take away your rights and freedoms.

00:17:03.560 Now, that's a dictator's playbook.

00:17:05.440 It's over and over again.

00:17:06.700 Adolf Hitler in Germany said you have to be very afraid of the communists and the Jews.

00:17:11.920 And so we got to protect Germany from Jews and communists. 0.99

00:17:16.120 So we're going to take all your rights and freedoms away.

00:17:18.500 And that's exactly what the Nazis did. 0.86

00:17:20.740 As soon as they came to power, freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of peaceful assembly, the full freedom of religion, mobility rights, everything was taken away.

00:17:34.560 And a lot of people supported it, sadly.

00:17:36.940 That's another thing about the dictators.

00:17:38.880 Another example would be some, you know, right-wing military dictatorships in Latin America.

00:17:47.720 Who do they say the enemy is?

00:17:49.300 The enemy is the communists.

00:17:51.020 So we got to protect you from communists.

00:17:54.020 Therefore, we're going to take away your rights and freedoms. 0.95

00:17:56.280 And we're going to lock you up in prison and torture you. 0.98

00:17:58.100 And we're going to have death squads all in the name of fighting communism, right? 0.97

00:18:02.320 The governments have committed horrible atrocities in the name of fighting communism.

00:18:07.000 You've got Idi Amin in Uganda, in East Africa, over 300,000 citizens murdered.

00:18:15.640 And he went after the Asian minority.

00:18:18.900 The 1% of Ugandans were East Indians.

00:18:22.020 And he forced them all out of the country.

00:18:24.780 Many of them came to Canada.

00:18:26.120 So now it's the same playbook.

00:18:30.580 The enemy is not, you know, communism or capitalism or terrorism.

00:18:37.220 The enemy is COVID.

00:18:40.080 And that extends to people that don't want to take the vaccine, whom our prime minister has described as anti-science, misogynist, extremist, racist.

00:18:52.560 Should we tolerate these people?

00:18:55.340 You have that kind of demonization of a minority.

00:18:59.000 And so people who don't see the playbook, I think, are probably just ignorant of history because it's the same thing.

00:19:05.480 When governments take away your rights and freedoms, they will create an enemy and they will proffer a nice sounding excuse for taking away your rights and freedoms.

00:19:18.340 Well, it's so interesting to see because I think you're completely right in your assessment of what is going on.

00:19:24.220 And yet, John, so many of the people who are doing just what you say or excusing someone like Justin Trudeau and doing that were the same people who were out last week, you know, banging the drum of Canadiana, saying how wonderful and enigmatic our charter is.

00:19:39.820 It's almost like ignorant of what's in the charter and what the charter was designed to do and what the charter was designed to respect.

00:19:46.160 So why is it that we have people who call themselves liberal, call themselves liberals, used to wrap themselves in the charter, who are the ones out there doing that?

00:19:54.840 And we saw it clear as day during the trucker convoy when Justin Trudeau came out on day one after being in hiding and having COVID and whatever else was going on with him, saying these people are Nazis. 0.60

00:20:06.680 You know, these truckers are Nazis. 0.61

00:20:08.520 So if you're standing with them, you're standing with people waving swastikas. 0.93

00:20:12.940 Like, why don't they have the self-awareness?

00:20:16.000 Why don't they understand, you know, what the purpose of the charter is and what the meaning of the term liberty is?

00:20:23.240 How do they square that circle and why the hypocrisy, why the lack of self-awareness?

00:20:30.700 Well, anything I say will be speculation, but I think there's a lot of inertia on the part of the so-called mainstream media, not just the CDC, but other media are getting government funding now.

00:20:44.680 You know, everything from television stations to newspapers and he who pays the piper calls the tune.

00:20:54.040 And so you've got government funded media who are preaching and proclaiming and promoting the government's narrative on COVID, on treatments for COVID, on lockdowns, on vaccines, everything in the past two years.

00:21:10.000 We've had the mainstream media kind of beating the government's drum, promoting fear, suggesting falsely that COVID is as dangerous as the Spanish flu of 1918.

00:21:21.840 Following the government's line on claiming that there are absolutely no cures or treatments for COVID whatsoever, proclaiming this message that lockdowns are saving lives, that lockdowns are doing more good than harm, preaching the gospel on the vaccines, that they are safe and effective.

00:21:42.220 The media have been cheerleaders now, fortunately, they are losing credibility every day as more and more people are just tuning out and more and more people are getting their news from, you know, their friends, their colleagues, their whatever streams, but they're not getting the media from the six o'clock news the way that Canadians were 40 or 50 years ago.

00:22:09.800 So I think that there's a bit of a bubble there.

00:22:10.820 So I think that there's a bit of a bubble there and there's a disconnect.

00:22:14.740 And for Canadians that were not on the ground in Ottawa, the mainstream media did push this message that these truckers were dangerous, violent criminals.

00:22:28.960 And sadly, I think that message has probably sunk in to the minds of at least some Canadians, hopefully not too many.

00:22:37.200 I agree with you that more and more people are tuning out, getting their news directly from the source.

00:22:41.620 That was one of the great things that we saw during the convoy was that a lot of Canadians were just streaming videos themselves.

00:22:48.080 You know, there were these viral videos going everywhere on TikTok and Instagram with millions of views, particularly even young Canadians on those platforms.

00:22:55.880 But I think even older Canadians, you know, rather than going to the CBC, they might get their news directly from, you know, the JCCF or True North or some alternative.

00:23:05.000 So there is some hope. I want to ask you again, though, about Canada's institutions.

00:23:11.460 Do you think we're in a good shape as a country? What do you think of the Charter at 40?

00:23:16.080 What do you think of the broader constitutional structure? How can we make these institutions more robust?

00:23:21.140 What needs to be done?

00:23:23.400 Boy, that's that's a very big question. We're in bad shape.

00:23:27.120 We have a we have a breakdown in the rule of law.

00:23:30.960 It was just striking and disgusting to see how the difference in 24 months between the Aboriginal and environmentalist protesters in February and March of 2020.

00:23:45.880 So right around the time that COVID was starting to become an issue, we had people blockading railway lines, making it impossible for ships in Halifax and Vancouver to unload.

00:23:57.300 And the cause they were fighting for was it was anti-pipeline in the name of traditional Aboriginal territory, even though the elected chiefs in those areas were pro-pipeline and were looking forward to the job creation and getting their 80 percent unemployment rates, which you see on some reserves, getting that down and getting people working.

00:24:19.020 But in the name of Aboriginal rights, in the name of anti-pipelines, we had these protesters that blockaded railway lines in Canada.

00:24:29.120 And the prime minister's response was to negotiate and to say, we have to be patient, even though that was definitely criminal conduct, to blockade a railway line, to blockade a highway and prevent any traffic, not just slowing down traffic, but an outright prohibition on train travel.

00:24:49.020 So then fast forward to 2021, we've got vandals in Manitoba at the legislature, tearing down and vandalizing a statue of Queen Victoria, which is criminal conduct, and police just stand by and watch.

00:25:04.660 And then we get the truckers in Ottawa, not a single trucker charged with any crime in the first three weeks that they're there, which tells you just how not illegal their behaviour was when there wasn't a single criminal charge.

00:25:22.580 So there's no charges laid, no arrests made.

00:25:26.060 And then you get this crackdown where the prime minister imposes martial law on the country, the Emergencies Act, and declares a national emergency.

00:25:37.080 And next thing you know, we've got police horses trampling women. 1.00

00:25:41.100 You've got unarmed protesters getting beaten by police clubs.

00:25:44.520 And you get this aggressive, physical repression of a peaceful protest.

00:25:50.480 So the double standard is glaring.

00:25:52.040 Where we're at in Canada is that if you're demonstrating for a cause that the prime minister is sympathetic to, even if you're blatantly breaking the law, you're not going to get in trouble.

00:26:05.100 Conversely, if you're protesting for a cause that the prime minister disagrees with, like our charter rights and freedoms that have been taken away from us the past two years, well, then we're going to have a ruthless physical suppression of peaceful protest.

00:26:22.380 That double standard is a violation of the rule of law.

00:26:27.040 And it's very, very scary.

00:26:28.340 Well, and you forgot in there that during the very, very beginning of the pandemic, right when no one really knew what it was and everyone was told to just stay inside to avoid catching this thing, all of a sudden we had a American-inspired Black Lives Rally movement that swept across Canada, even though it had nothing to do with our history or our justice system or our policing.

00:26:51.840 And the prime minister himself went out to that protest right in the spring of 2020 when COVID was brand new.

00:26:59.340 And then you had a bunch of epidemiologists and doctors saying that fighting against racism was so righteous and just that you couldn't catch COVID from getting it.

00:27:10.900 So, you know, we've had those contradictions for a long, long time.

00:27:14.400 John, it's not a healthy society when, you know, you have a prime minister who routinely breaks ethics rules and, you know, gets a slap on the wrist and gets to continue on.

00:27:23.620 It's not a healthy society, what you just described.

00:27:26.720 So I just had a final question for you here.

00:27:29.960 You know, we talked a little bit about how most of the restrictions are lifted, but they're not all lifted, particularly there's still many restraints on people who are unvaccinated.

00:27:39.800 Further lockdowns are looming.

00:27:41.460 We never know when they're just going to get brought back in.

00:27:43.860 And it seems like the provincial power, provincial government doesn't want to let go of those powers just yet.

00:27:48.380 So what is the JCCF doing to protect us going forward and how can Canadians ensure that our rights are protected and that this doesn't just keep happening again and again and again?

00:28:01.300 Well, we've got court actions across the country, but I've often said that winning in the court of public opinion is even more important than winning in the court of law.

00:28:13.860 Because if public opinion changes and people recognize how harmful and destructive and how utterly unscientific these measures are and have been, when that public opinion changes, you're going to see change in the law.

00:28:29.320 So the best thing that people can do is to try as much as possible to be in dialogue with others.

00:28:38.320 You know, some people, you've got people on both extremes that you can't talk to.

00:28:42.140 I mean, some people, they're just 100% pro-lockdown.

00:28:44.480 They don't want to hear anything.

00:28:46.280 They completely buy into the government and media narrative.

00:28:52.180 And there's other people, you know, equally passionate on the other side that are not going to be persuaded that lockdowns were good.

00:28:59.400 But there are people in the middle that are not firmly decided either way.

00:29:04.720 Those are the people that need to be reached.

00:29:06.960 So people can, you know, hand out brochures.

00:29:11.520 The Justice Centre has mailed out hundreds of thousands of brochures to people that will get a pack of 50 or 100, put them in the mailboxes of their neighbours.

00:29:20.020 If anybody wants to do that, contact info at jccf.ca.

00:29:25.140 Ask for brochures about our Charter Rights and Freedoms and the problems with the vaccine passport, those kinds of things.

00:29:32.620 Give out brochures to people.

00:29:34.580 But do the heavy lifting, do the hard work of persuading people that are in the middle, that are open to being persuaded.

00:29:41.900 Because the way out of this, unfortunately, it's just going to be a lot of hard work to change public opinion.

00:29:48.060 And apart from that, I think we're, the repression is going to continue if we don't change public opinion.

00:29:54.980 Well, I think that certainly with the trucker convoy, there was a little bit of optimism and good news there.

00:30:00.320 Because the fact that the truckers went out there, you know, they were greeted on the side of highways in minus 30 degree weather by families and people waving Canadian flags.

00:30:09.280 And many, many people did rally around those truckers.

00:30:12.100 Many more appreciated them silently at home or quietly, and you're hearing more and more of that.

00:30:15.920 So, you know, definitely the truckers changed the tone.

00:30:20.140 And I think that the work that the JCCF does is incredibly important in pushing back against just out of control government overreach and activism.

00:30:29.220 So, John, we really appreciate what you do.

00:30:31.600 Thanks for your time and coming on the show.

00:30:33.440 And we hope to have you back again soon.

00:30:35.640 Thanks so much for the invitation.

00:30:37.560 All right.

00:30:37.900 That's John Carpe of the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms.

00:30:40.880 You can check out their website at jccf.ca.

00:30:44.140 I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.

The Candice Malcolm Show - April 25, 2022

The Charter didn’t stop Canada’s Covid slide towards tyranny

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