Wyatt Claypool is a political commentator and founder of the National Telegraph. He has been a long-time supporter of the Western Separatist movement, and has been involved in some of the movement's most successful efforts. In this episode, we discuss the dark side of the separatist movement and why we should be wary of it.
00:00:00.000I'm Candace Malcolm, and this is The Candace Malcolm Show. So one of the topics that we have been discussing in depth since the federal election is the issue of Western separatism, Western independence.
00:00:12.880And I will say that we have been covering it more from a perspective that we find it interesting here at The Candace Malcolm Show. We're interested in the idea, not that we promote it, not that we like the idea of splitting up Canada, but we are interested in the movement.
00:00:22.940And we have been highlighting some of the other voices that have been leading this movement, people like Keith Wilson, the constitutional lawyer who helped us break down the changes to the Citizens Initiative Act announced by Premier Daniel Smith.
00:00:34.680We've also had Premier Daniel Smith on the program, not talking about this specifically, but we also recently had Preston Manning on the show earlier this week.
00:00:41.800That episode really blew up. A lot of people are really interested in Preston's vision for the future of this country.
00:00:47.240Well, we also want to sometimes show the other side of the story. And that is why I invited Wyatt Claypool on the show today.
00:00:54.480Wyatt is a political commentator and founder of the National Telegraph. And I don't know your perspective on it per se, Wyatt, but I know that you have some concerns and some skepticism as an Albertan, as a Calgary native yourself.
00:01:06.880So I wanted to have you on today to sort of just explore the other side, the dark side of this movement and why we should perhaps have some more caution towards it.
00:01:15.060So I'll hand it over to you and you can explain your position.
00:01:18.380Well, thank you for having me on to talk about this. And hopefully I'm not going to disappoint people by sounding like, you know, nervously pessimistic, because in a certain sense, my personal perspective doesn't matter.
00:01:28.660If anything, I would say I'm the most agnostic person on Western separatism as someone living in the West, as you could possibly get.
00:01:34.600I really just care about the numbers. If you're going to try and do something and you want it to succeed, you should want there to be the proper, you know, the proper soil, the infrastructure there in order to actually be able to get the victory across the finish line.
00:01:50.100And when I look at Western separatism, I'm going to first, at least let's talk about my province of Alberta.
00:01:57.320I'm going to look at the results for getting rid of daylight savings time.
00:02:03.080The daylight savings time referendum in Alberta failed.
00:02:07.000And now we're going to try and go for Western separatism in sort of a glory shot of only maybe a year's worth of organizing because Mark Carney got reelected as prime minister.
00:02:18.580And I hate Mark Carney. I don't like the liberals.
00:02:21.280And you could say that in theory, it's good for Alberta to separate.
00:02:25.800It's good for Saskatchewan to separate from Canada.
00:02:30.840And the thing is, whenever we start getting into like whenever you start to say it's not really feasible to actually succeed in this referendum, at least this time, people say, well, don't you know how bad things are?
00:02:46.080But whenever I look at the polling, whenever I look at just the realities on the ground of the kind of mountains, you're going to have to ascend in order to win the victory.
00:03:01.120Even many of them are very good at politics.
00:03:04.200But you need to have like a thousand people around the province organizing who are fantastic at politics to get something like this across.
00:03:13.460And I don't even think at this point they maybe would even win in the rural areas at this point.
00:03:48.000Well, it's interesting that you say that because it reminded me of the 2021 referendum that Alberta asked when it came to equalization payments.
00:03:55.260Now, in my mind, this should have been an absolute slam dunk.
00:03:58.380Asking Albertans whether they want to continue to subsidize the rest of the provinces, often ones that deliberately don't develop their own natural resources and are morally opposed to it.
00:04:09.160They're more than happy to take the checks from Alberta.
00:04:11.640This should have been an 80-20 slam dunk issue.
00:04:13.940And I remember feeling, like, quite surprised when it came back.
00:04:16.740And so, again, April – or sorry, this was on October 18th, 2021.
00:04:21.020The question was, should Section 36 of the Constitution Act, Parliament, and the Government Canada's commitment to the principle of making equalization payment be removed from the Constitution, right?
00:04:30.520And so, just knowing all that background that Alberta just pays way more – I don't know the exact numbers, but they pay billions and billions more than they get back in services every year.
00:04:38.460And that went 61 percent for the yes side and only 38 percent no.
00:04:43.680So, 38 percent of Albertans said, no, no, no, we want to continue this deal that we get.
00:04:47.500To me, that showed that it had become like a partisan issue, right?
00:04:50.440That it was really 61, 62 percent of people saying they are in agreement with the Conservative government and then 40 percent, almost 40 percent, saying that they are opposed to it, which makes me think these referendums are so politicized in Alberta that the question isn't really the question.
00:05:05.400I think that was also part of the point that you wanted to make, that when you break down who would support a vote for secession, it really goes down to partisan lines.
00:05:16.680So, this is an Angus Reid poll that came out last week, referendum reality, half in Alberta and Saskatchewan call for vote on independence, fewer to actually leave.
00:05:26.080And when you look at the breakdown, this is what is super interesting, is that UCP supporters, the United Conservative Party, are kind of split, not quite split, because you still have 33 percent saying that they would definitely vote to leave and then 32 percent leaning leave.
00:05:42.280So, that's that 60 percent I was talking about.
00:05:43.740But then when you look at NDP voters, a full 93 percent say definitely would stay, right?
00:05:50.960And so, somehow in Alberta, it has become like a left-right issue.
00:05:55.000And what you would end up running into, in my opinion, is that this is going to be a really great practice of unity for the NDP in Alberta and Saskatchewan, because the numbers are pretty much the exact same in Saskatchewan, between the Saskatchewan party and the Saskatchewan NDP.
00:06:08.700It's going to be very unifying for the left, and it's going to be very divisive for the right.
00:06:13.420And not divisive for the right, like, but if we try hard enough, we'll be able to win.
00:06:27.920And the issue was never the issue when you, when you have these referendums, like you're like correctly pointing out about the referendum on equalization.
00:06:36.140It started becoming about, do you like Canada or do you like Alberta?
00:06:40.780Even though that's a very easy slam dunk issue that we shouldn't be subsidizing the entire provinces, like social welfare systems and like healthcare and whatnot, if they can't figure out their own public finances to like for decades at a time.
00:06:54.940The thing is, like right now, we're going to be going in with a question where it is explicitly, do you want independent Alberta or do you want Canada, which is pretty, it's going to be a fairly permanent or at least a semi-permanent decision.
00:07:09.600You're going to have a lot of retirees, a lot of upper middle class, nervous people, a lot of immigrants.
00:07:16.500We're just going to vote Canada because they're, frankly, they don't live out in rural areas where all the oil and gas work is being done and who have experienced the kind of like anti like farming kind of policies of the government to support the supply management, like like cartels out east.
00:07:36.440It's, you're just not going to be able to do it.
00:07:39.300And my fear again is that in the next provincial election, this is going to be the thing that they hang around Daniel Smith's neck in order to beat her, especially if separatist parties are in running in the race.
00:07:50.360It's going to be very easy for the NDP to come up the middle in 23 with basically no other parties other than the NDP and the UCP seriously running.
00:07:58.000It came down to like a thousand, two thousand votes in Calgary that separated us from an NDP government and a UCP government.
00:08:06.060Same thing in Saskatchewan. I think it was only 500 votes in Saskatchewan.
00:08:09.620And that was all just one or two seats in Saskatoon going one way or the other would have changed everything.
00:08:15.600It's so interesting. And you're right. It's close. Like it's not a slam dunk issue.
00:08:19.680I think that a lot of people in central Canada and Quebec and Ontario, they might not really know the details of like who would support a movement like this.
00:08:27.240Like, is it just like the hard right flank? Is there appetite for this?
00:08:31.660We had Kim Bextie on the show the other day and he was saying that the idea in central Canada is that it's a bunch of like hillbillies and rednecks that are supporting this.
00:08:38.600Whereas from his perspective, it is like the most sophisticated of business people and investors that are the most serious about this.
00:08:45.940One of the cautions that I've been hearing from people in Alberta is this Republican Party of Alberta is sort of run by maybe, I don't know, like an outsider, a fringe character named Cam Davies.
00:08:58.080So I want to play this clip of Cam talking about how the momentum for an Alberta republic is growing in Calgary and Edmonton and urging Albertans to sign his petitions.
00:09:09.080Alberta cities are full of energy, innovative people, bold ideas, and a drive to succeed.
00:09:16.960But our future is being shaped by leaders in Ottawa who don't live here and don't understand our culture.
00:09:24.960We've been held back by policies that handcuff our economy, punish our industries, and dismiss our potential.
00:09:32.060The Alberta Republican Party believes in independence because decisions about Alberta's future should be made here, not by the Laurentian elite.
00:09:41.160That doesn't sound like an extreme message to me.
00:09:44.320That sounds like perfectly common sense, but I don't know the ins and outs of all of these characters.
00:09:47.980So Kian Bextie on X wrote this in response to that clip.
00:09:51.840He wrote a public service announcement.
00:09:54.460He used to work for the B.C. liberals trying to stop John Rudd's conservative surge.
00:09:58.120After Danielle Smith refused to hire him in her government, he began plotting, I fully believe, that he launched this joke of a party to help Naheed Menchie get elected.
00:10:06.440And that, of course, is the NDP leader, Keith Wilson, a constitutional lawyer who was also on a show I mentioned last week.
00:10:12.480He says, if you want Alberta independence to succeed, please give this political party a pass.
00:10:17.280This party weakens our chances of achieving independence for our kids.
00:10:20.780So what do you make of all this, Wyatt?
00:10:22.000And I know Cam Davies, and I don't mind the guy.
00:10:24.380The guy is actually a very good marketer.
00:10:26.740At the very least, he's good at political communications, which is his sort of background.
00:10:31.520Again, and I would generally agree with Keith Wilson.
00:10:34.220And the only thing I would disagree with him is, as I really don't think that if you pass the Republican Party and you find a new vehicle, if that vehicle is going to succeed either.
00:10:43.200What we always see with the separatist movement in Alberta is that it very quickly devolves into utopianism, where everyone starts trying to debate what version of independent Alberta they want well before they even have the support to even come close, even get more than 25 percent of the vote in a referendum.
00:11:03.620And so everything splits up because people have disagreements on whether it should be the 51st date or whether we should be independent and if we should only leave if we also get Saskatchewan, too.
00:11:12.040It's one of these things where I think that the idea oftentimes gets going when people are highly emotional.
00:11:19.880And it seems like a great idea at the time, because right now it's probably a high watermark in Alberta for support for separatism.
00:11:26.220And that's even with 58 percent of people being against it and only in like the mid 30s in favor of it with a lot of people who, of course, still just don't have an opinion or don't know.
00:11:38.020People are emotional in one year's time, especially if like, you know, sorry to point out to people, but if Mark Carney lowers taxes even a little bit, people be like, oh, you know, life's not as bad.
00:11:50.520But people tend to have a high degree of an ability to kind of forget about issues, especially that take a lot of work to accomplish.
00:11:58.160People tend to forget when things even get a little bit better.
00:12:01.520I mean, I could play the opposite side of that coin, though, Wyatt.
00:12:04.540Like what happens if we get plunged into a recession?
00:12:06.900What happens if we can't sell our debt on a bond market and the loonies start spiraling?
00:12:11.340I mean, things could go really the other way here.
00:12:14.340I mean, Canada is in a dangerous spot.
00:12:16.420You post a video where you say that liberals want separatism to spread, to divide Canadians, and that you think this is all good for Mark Carney.
00:12:25.000But what happens if the economy crashes?
00:12:26.860And maybe explain to folks why you think that Mark Carney wants the separatist movement to spread.
00:12:32.520I think there is a low ceiling for how much support the separatist movement can get, even if, you know, bond markets crash and the dollar devalues heavily.
00:12:42.460I think there's just a lot of people who is just a no-go for them.
00:12:45.220Retirees in Calgary are the people who would absolutely destroy the referendum because you'd be having to win the rural areas like 90-10 to offset losing it massively in Edmonton and Calgary.
00:12:56.820Again, we're having, in provincial elections, it's close between the UCP and the NDP, which is a far easier choice to make in favor of the UCP.
00:13:06.460In the sense that it's a fiscally conservative party and we're going to be trying to, you know, like, stabilize the economy and lower tax and all this stuff.
00:13:14.100And it's still difficult to get people to show up and vote for that against the trade unionist NDP.
00:13:19.840Now the NDP, in the next election, this is why Carney and Naheed Nenshi and Carla Beck like this in Alberta, Saskatchewan, is because they get to run on, let's be pro-Canadian.
00:13:31.360They can ignore all their stupid socialist policies and they can make themselves the party of Canada and then Daniel Smith has to be the party enabling the separatist takeover of Alberta.
00:13:44.080Okay, well, we're going to have to keep that topic in mind and keep watching it, have you back on.
00:13:48.940There was a story I wanted to get to yesterday, but we didn't have time, so I'm going to go through it today, which is that this riding in Quebec, Terrebonne, in suburban Montreal, Elections Canada has called it, is going to the Liberals.
00:14:01.260Despite all of the shenanigans that we have been walking the audience through.
00:14:03.980So recall this, that on election night, this is according to CBC reporting, Terrebonne initially went to the Liberal MP by 35 votes.
00:14:11.180But after the standard validation process, the result flipped to the incumbent Bloc Quebecois MP by 44 votes.
00:14:18.640Yes, it swung by 79 votes somehow, somehow.
00:14:22.840And then this triggered an automatic judicial recount when the recount, the judicial recount happened.
00:14:30.360It went to the Liberals by one single solitary vote only to have a woman come forth from the Bloc saying, I voted for the Bloc, but Elections Canada didn't get my vote because Elections Canada made a mistake with the return envelope.
00:14:46.700Just an unbelievable chain of events that went on there.
00:14:49.980Well, the National Post is reporting that the vote in Terrebonne riding is the final vote, despite the uncounted mail-in ballot, that would make it a tie according to Elections Canada.
00:15:00.960And so Elections Canada said that they will be reviewing the special ballot system after this returned mail-in ballot.
00:15:06.540But that as far as this election result, it is final.
00:15:17.440In Elections Canada, I'm pretty sure they even acknowledge that they screwed up with the wrong address on the envelopes.
00:15:23.420Like, so apparently that we're just going by the rule of, well, what's one vote between friends when the Liberals need to win?
00:15:29.640Like, I think anyone, any reasonable person would look at this and say, hey, it's pretty hazy on who won here.
00:15:40.060I don't think that we're going to be able to squint and really say decisively it's one way or the other.
00:15:44.560They should probably be having a by-election.
00:15:46.580And good thing it seems like Yves-Francois Blanchet's not going to take this lying down.
00:15:51.060And I think he has a press conference schedule to address this issue because you shouldn't just accept this.
00:15:55.720And with so many Liberals wondering why or attacking, you know, usually it's not even, it's not major figures, but it's usually people online who are saying the election's rigged and whatnot.
00:16:06.780But when you have stupidity like this happening in individual writings like Terrebonne and you have 800 special ballots being kept in a box and left uncounted in British Columbia, it's like, can you not, can you not understand why people might think that these mistakes are not just mistakes?
00:16:42.080It's an American story, but I'm going to tie it back to Canada as well.
00:16:44.500So earlier this week, we saw that the United States has fast-tracked a group of refugees that have arrived in the United States.
00:16:51.340The Trump administration welcomed 59 white South Africans as refugees, saying they face discrimination and violence at home, which the country's government strongly denies.
00:17:01.640And so it's kind of just become an interesting spectacle on social media, especially.
00:17:06.380Here's the account and wokeness saying women and children, fathers who have stable jobs, not one single gang tattoo.
00:17:18.140And it does seem, at least from social media and the response, that the left does hate this group of refugees.
00:17:24.100Here is a left-wing account on X saying South African refugees, in scare quotes there, arriving in the U.S. looking like they haven't struggled a day in their life.
00:17:34.040And so, again, the response has really been wild.
00:17:38.140Here's another one from and wokeness saying TikTok influencers issues a direct threat to the 59 white refugees, saying that black people will be hunting them down.
00:17:47.900I believe we have a part of this clip basically just saying that white people shouldn't be allowed to be refugees in the United States.
00:18:38.920And I've done the whole like I visited Robben Island and understand the history of apartheid.
00:18:43.520However, it is pretty clear that things are not going very well for the white South Africans, that a lot of them are getting hunted down and killed, that their farms are being evaded and that there is targeted crime against them.
00:18:57.400Recall the ANC, the Nationalist Party that's in power there, which was Nelson Mandela's party.
00:19:37.720I don't think it's the ANC party who was engaging like the kill the boar chants.
00:19:42.420But that was a left wing, almost ally of the ANC where they'll never condemn them and they kind of end up providing the anti-white kind of muscle within South Africa.
00:19:52.920The people who push the policies that then justifies the ANC doing what they want because they'll take the more moderate middle road approach.
00:20:00.540But it's just the slightly less insanely racist approach that the other party would want them to take.
00:20:19.540It's almost like that other party ends up being the black bloc Antifa to their kind of progressive downtown Portland Democrat elected officials.
00:20:28.020It's kind of that relationship going on.
00:20:31.720And then there's this other crazy party that they'll kind of let go and do the dirty work of what they would like to do.
00:20:37.080But they're too busy, you know, like they're wearing suits and ties so they can engage in that sort of thing.
00:20:40.960And with that one lady in that TikTok video, too, who could guess why people are donating to Carmelo Anthony for stabbing that Metcalf boy to death?
00:20:54.060There's so many people out there who thrive and live off of resentment.
00:20:58.700And that is what is basically just fueling the opposition to these people moving to the United States.
00:21:05.160Oh, they don't look like they're starving.
00:21:07.100Well, I don't think you need to be starving for someone to want to kill you in a country.
00:21:12.080And if you call the police, they're not going to show up in time.
00:21:14.280And yes, they kill farmers in South Africa of both races.
00:21:18.540But they say it's very clear when they kill a white farmer, just based on the crime evidence alone, it was probably racial in at least in some elements of it.
00:21:28.100And so these people have a very good reason to leave.
00:21:30.720But people just cannot stand that something bad could happen to somebody who's not in their politically favored identity group.
00:21:39.000It's almost like, you know, racism is a bad thing.
00:21:42.300But if you're on the woke left, you think it's actually perfectly fine because you see everything as just being oppressor and oppressed power games.
00:21:50.440And so these people should maybe be killed.
00:21:53.320These people maybe should get, you know, attacked in America because I guess they existed when apartheid existed.
00:22:00.760These people only think in terms of group.
00:22:05.260All they think is in terms of group because they are fundamentally racists.
00:22:09.000It reminds me that Ryan Long, Ryan Long is a Canadian comedian.
00:22:12.780He did this really funny skit, I don't know, maybe five years ago where he was talking about how like the woke and the racists kind of agree on everything.
00:22:19.900And he had like it was like two guys and one was really woke and one was really racist.
00:22:32.800They're saying that, you know, white people have power innately and therefore they can't be victimized, which what is that really saying about white people?
00:22:47.240It's the woke left and it's the woke right people who just invert where they think that the algorithm of who's right and wrong should kind of move in the direction of.
00:22:56.160And I'm anti algorithmic thinking every single individual is an individual.
00:23:00.960And you should always take things as a case by case basis.
00:23:03.360Well, I said I wanted to tie it back to Canada because I think that there is a tie here in a couple of different ways.
00:23:09.360So this is Juno News reporting and Noah Jarvis from True North has this incredible exclusive Fed support immigration ad blitz promoting anti-Canada pro-DEI view.
00:23:19.140So these ads, I guess, showed up all over bus stops in Victoria.
00:23:59.920I didn't go through indigenous peoples.
00:24:02.220I went through basically their colonizer system.
00:24:04.540I found myself here as someone who's had similar background experiences where my grandparents were forced to leave during the Nakba in 1948.
00:24:12.620The Nakba, for people who don't know, is they call it the catastrophe when the Jews got their own country.
00:24:18.660And they call it ethnic cleansing, even though it was basically a partition where the Jews moved to one side and the Arabs moved to the other side.
00:24:25.500And they always talk about the fact that the Arabs were moved and they never talk about the fact that the Jews were also moved.
00:24:29.340Anyway, she writes that I felt an enormous sense of guilt.
00:24:33.040So basically just saying that Canada is not a legitimate country, that we're just colonizers.
00:24:37.980She went through the colonizer system and that really she should have gone through the elders to come to Canada.
00:24:43.280So kind of discrediting the entire notion of Canada.
00:24:46.280There's another one here, which is this other woman from Turkey who's part of the LGBT community.
00:24:54.440Rather than being grateful and appreciative to be here in Canada, she just kind of like slams Canada for being not as open to LG people as she presumed that they might have been.
00:25:03.760So this is this is what the government of Canada is.
00:25:06.120They find people who hate our country and then they promote them to like shove it down our throats and say, like, these are the people that we should be welcoming and celebrating.
00:25:14.800Yeah, I would honestly like these kind of people into our country who have like no sense of gratitude and don't want to be here and don't even recognize Canada as a legitimate country.
00:25:34.720And this is why on top of wanting the immigration rate for permanent residents lower to 100,000 per year, I'd also on top of that want it so that we have values tests.
00:25:44.800And if we detect that somebody doesn't actually like our country, is resentful towards our country, but is trying to move here, you can leave.
00:25:51.620I don't want I don't want people who don't want to be team players moving to Canada.
00:25:55.720If you're only moving to if you're don't if you don't want to be a Canadian, you can not be a Canadian.
00:26:01.620And the thing is that we're going to give you your wish and you can go back home because apparently our country is so racist and horrible and everything here is just like, you know, homophobic, xenophobic, whatever.
00:26:12.260Apparently, we're xenophobic at the same time.
00:26:13.980We let so many people enter the country every single year without even just asking them to barely sign the guestbook.
00:26:46.780It's just the reconciliation industry run amok.
00:26:52.000It's just basically every single thing that's going on in B.C. right now, when it comes to ban councils, when it comes to reserve land, when it comes to historical territory, it's all basically a slow march towards allowing ban councils to control all property.
00:27:11.580If it's silly, they're doing this because a whale washed up on the beach, and apparently this means that only Indigenous people can be on the beach now for some ceremony.
00:27:19.320It's all about trying to slowly dig away at the property rights of other British Columbians.
00:27:33.620That's why on Haida Gwaii, there was multiple, a couple families had their houses bulldozed because they had an association with someone who was selling drugs.
00:27:48.060So they can bulldoze the house, and the government doesn't show up to arrest anyone or do anything about it.
00:27:52.200We have this going on everywhere, that ban councils and all these treaty rights, all these, like, basically these, this control they have over the land is deemed like a absolute special right that can never be violated.
00:28:06.500And I think this whole, this whale beach story is just a microcosm of how ridiculous it's gotten.
00:28:11.720You can't even be on the beach at the same time.
00:28:13.840Well, if you can't be on the beach at the same time a dead whale's there, you're definitely never going to get a resource project through.
00:28:20.540I mean, I just think you're getting into very dicey territory where you say that based on the color of your skin and based on your ethnicity, you can or cannot enter government land.
00:28:30.260Like, I don't want any government agent policing what race someone is when they try to enter government building or crown land.
00:28:37.680I mean, it's just, it's really heading down a dark and dangerous path under the guise of progressivism.
00:28:43.800And, you know, you mentioned that example from Haida Gwaii.
00:28:46.480We still call it Queen Charlotte Islands.
00:28:48.760But, you know, it's just, it's just sort of scary, you know, collectivism run amok.
00:28:56.580And the thing is that it actually crosses party lines in British Columbia.
00:29:00.440You get the BC NDP, the BC Greens, who I call the farmers market communists.
00:29:04.960And you also have the BC Conservatives who will all engage at different times in this kind of, like, performative, well, we need to, we need to respect land title and we need to respect the consultation process for getting projects through.
00:29:18.240Right now we have debates where the BC Conservatives are trying to outwoke the NDP because the NDP aren't respecting consultations enough.
00:29:25.060It's like, guys, just tell, just shut down the province at this point.
00:29:28.040If we don't have the confidence in ourselves to do anything, then let's just, like, pack it in.
00:29:34.580Just call it Turtle Island province and then leave.
00:29:36.900Because this is obviously never, we're not going to get anything done here if we can't treat everyone as an individual and an adult who actually has to live in the real world.
00:29:45.640We just, we let banned, banned councils basically live in a different world and that we must now respect the rules and regulations they make up on the spot.
00:29:54.860It's so unbelievable, such a scary direction.
00:29:58.160And I'm sad to see that the BC Conservatives are engaging in that kind of thing because the whole point of an opposition is to impose this kind of thing.
00:30:04.460And I know a whole bunch of people in British Columbia don't like this stuff and they don't agree with it.
00:30:08.180They should have their voices heard and represented too.
00:30:10.880Wyatt Claypool, thanks so much for joining us.
00:30:12.400We always appreciate your time and your insights.