The INSIDE SCOOP on my day in Ottawa and interview with Pierre Poilievre
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In this episode of The Candice Malan Show, Candice talks about her exclusive interview with opposition leader candidate Pierre Polyvenc about immigration, crime, inflation, the election, and much more. She also announces the launch of a new media company, Juno News, with Kian Bextie.
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Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm and welcome to the Candice Malcolm Show. We have a great episode
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for you today. I'm so excited. I have a bunch of things to announce. As you may have seen on
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social media, as you may have seen in our emails, I'm launching a new media company. So many of you
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have followed our journey all along. I started True North nine years ago in my living room.
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It has grown into an incredible fact-based independent news company, media company,
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that really is changing the media landscape. Well, I am teaming up today with Kian Bextie,
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who is the founder of The Counter Signal, a fantastic independent journalist from Calgary,
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Alberta. I just absolutely love his fearless brand of journalism. We're teaming up today
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to announce Juno News. So Juno News will be a hub and a platform where you can find all of True
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North's reporting and all of the news, plus Kian Bextie's brand and his own journalism,
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plus documentaries, podcasts, videos. We have so much for you. So head on over to JunoNews.com,
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subscribe. And if you subscribe, you get exclusive access to the interview that I conducted with
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Pierre Polyev. I'm going to tell you all about the behind the scenes behind that interview. I'm
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going to share with you exclusive clips. And then at 7pm tonight, we are going to air the full interview
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for subscribers over at JunoNews.com. So make sure you go check that out. I really want you to see
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the interview. It was great. I got to sit down with Pierre, asked him a wide range of issues and
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topics. We discussed so many things from immigration to crime. We talked about inflation. We talked about
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Trudeau. We talked about the election. We talked about a lot of things. So you're really going to
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want to check that out. So I want to tell you a little bit about the interview because it almost
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didn't happen. I had been kind of talking behind the scenes with Pierre Polyev's team and the OLO,
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the Opposition Leader's Office. And we decided to confirm the interview. We chose Wednesday. We
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decided that that was when it was going to happen. And basically, we were about to fly out. And all
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of a sudden, anyone who's in Ontario right now knows that we are facing severe winter weather right now.
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It was a very cold day in Ottawa. And there was sort of like a pending blizzard that
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was supposed to roll through and completely shut down the airports and everything. And so my husband
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and I were flying out in the morning to get to Ottawa for the interview. Didn't even know if the
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plane was going to take off, what was going to happen. Fortunately, we got there, landed, got into
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a car, rushed downtown to the Conservative Party's headquarters. And I got to go in there, made it just
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in time to sit down with Pierre. He's such a nice guy, very gracious, gave us lots of time. There were
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no parameters or restrictions around the interview. I got to ask any questions that I wanted. It was a
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lot of fun. I really enjoyed my conversation with him. He surprised me with some of his answers, but
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really just solid stuff. And I really want you to be able to watch that full interview. So like I said,
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7 p.m. tonight. You have to subscribe though. Go to Juno News and subscribe. I'll give you a little
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teaser of what the interview looks like. So here is one of my favorite exchanges of the interview
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when we were talking about illegal immigration and what Mr. Polyev would do to crack down on illegal
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immigration. One of the other things that's happening in the states right now in the new
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administration is that President Trump has been serious about deportations. And a couple weeks ago,
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we had Secretary of State Marco Rubio saying that if he were the Canadians, he'd be concerned that a lot
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of the bad people that are in the United States right now might try to sneak up into Canada. This
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happened last time Trump was president, Mr. Trump was president, where we had people crossing illegally
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through Roxham Road, thousands and thousands and thousands. And it was disgraceful. I went there
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myself, Pierre, and I couldn't believe it. You had CBSA officers acting like bellhops, lifting their
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suitcases, putting them into buses, taking them to Toronto or Montreal, their choice. They got to choose
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where they would go. So we were sort of facilitating illegal entry into our country. I believe Roxham Road
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has been closed. But I'm sure that happens in other places. I'm wondering, what would you do to stop
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bad people that are about to be deported from the United States from just walking across into Canada?
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Well, they closed Roxham Road 30 days after I issued an ultimatum to Justin Trudeau that he had to close
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it or that we would move a non-confidence. And so he actually met my ultimatum and closed it,
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which proved that what they had been saying before was all a lie. They claimed they had no way of closing
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it. Well, of course they had a way of closing. They didn't want to. We have, we're a nation with borders
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and we have the ability to seal our borders against illegal crossers and to block people from coming
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in. And those that get onto our soil, what you need to do is just do a last in first out refugee review of
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their claim. And this is how it works. If you're the last person into the country, then you immediately have your claim
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heard, which means that within a couple of weeks, if your claim is false, you're sent back.
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What that does is it sends the signal to everyone who might come in the future that they're going to be sent
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home all automatically. The problem right now is that if someone gets in illegally, they then, and even if
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they're not, they're not a real refugee, they're not fleeing danger, they have seven or eight years
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of appeals, appeals, appeals, during which we're paying for hotels and lawyers and food and health care
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above and beyond what Canadians get. Above and beyond what Canadians get. So that then attracts
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more people to say, oh, hey, if I get to Canada, even though I'm not a real refugee, I can get into the
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country and I'll be bounced around in the system at someone else's expense forever. If we solve that
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problem, the message would go out very quickly that Canada is not a place you come to make a false or
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fraudulent claim. And I believe you would see a very real reduction in the number of people who
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even tried to come. I have a lot of sympathy for real refugees. My wife is a refugee. This has been
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a wonderful refuge for people who genuinely have claims, and that still will be the case when I'm
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Prime Minister. But we can't take in fraudulent, fake claimants and pay their bills for seven years
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So there it was. And again, we're going to release the entire interview tonight at 7 p.m. on our website,
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junonews.com. Head on over there, subscribe so you can make sure that you get access and you can
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watch that entire interview. Okay, folks, let's get to the news today because there is quite a bit
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to get to today. I want to talk about the premiers. So the Canadian premiers all went down to Washington,
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D.C. They're all trying to negotiate, trying to figure out what is happening with the tariffs,
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trying to make some inroads with the Trump administration. Kind of a little too little too
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late, guys. But at least they're finally there doing what Danielle Smith did from day one,
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which is just have some face time, have some one-on-one time, get to know people, try to figure
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out what is exactly going on behind these threats. How can we negotiate a better deal? How can we
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secure a better life for everybody in North America? We all want the same stuff here. We all
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want secure borders. We all want safe streets. We all want to get drugs off our streets. We don't want
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criminals. We don't want terrorists. We don't want illegal immigrants. We all agree. And we all want a
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strong economy. We want mutually beneficial things. So let's go down and talk about it. This is
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something that came out of it that I just think is so embarrassing. Okay. So first you had Doug
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Ford, Ontario premier. He's in the middle of the election. He's striking a good tone. A lot of people
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I talk to around Ontario, they might not like Doug Ford that much. They might not like the conservative
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government that much, but they like the way that he's approaching the situation, his tone and his
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ideas. And so graciously, you know, he was asked, who in the White House did you meet with? Who were you
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meeting with? And he politely said, you know, I'm not at liberty to say, but we had some productive
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meetings. And I think that's the way to go. You don't go out and name people's names and expose
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what the conversations were like when you're in the middle of a negotiation. So Doug Ford kind of
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playing it smart. And then on the other hand, you have the BC premier, David Eby, who came right out
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and just said everything. So here we have global news reporting that BC premier, David Eby says the
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premiers had a frank conversation with Trump administration officials about the 51st state
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comment and stressed it's a non-starter. Eby says that the two representatives that they met with,
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and then he names them, deputy chief of staff, James Blair and director of presidential personnel,
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Sergio Gore agreed to share a few items with Trump. One, the willingness to engage,
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two, work on key areas of agreement, and three, that Canada would never be the 51st state.
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Well, I think David Eby was speaking out of terms because James Blair himself, the person who he met
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with, commented and replied to this on X. He said it was pleasant to meet with the premiers. To be clear,
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we never agreed that Canada would not be the 51st state. We only agreed to share Premier Eby's
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comments. Further, we said the best way to understand President Trump's position is to take
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what he says at face value. Unbelievable, folks. Unbelievable. So because David Eby was out there
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speaking out of turn, because he volunteered the information to the media that the 51st state
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comment is off the table, well, that obviously annoyed the Trump administration. That obviously
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annoyed Mr. Blair. So what did he do? He doubled down because this is what we're doing. We're in the
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middle of a negotiation. You have the Canadians speaking out of turn, saying that they agreed to
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something that the Americans said, no, no, no, that's one of our main negotiating sticks. This
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is a stalking horse, folks. This is what the Americans are threatening Canada with so that they
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can get a better trade deal. And by Canada saying, no, no, no, this is off the table. It's not going to
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happen. It's just making the Americans double down. This is just bad negotiation tactics. Again,
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everybody should go out and read the art of the deal, okay? Donald Trump has let us know
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from, for years. He published this book like 30 years ago. We know how he negotiates a deal. We
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know his strategy. This is just one of his tactics. And now that he's president, he's using it. And so
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is his administration. So to have the BBC premier come out and do this, it was a gaffe. It was a faux pas.
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It was embarrassing. It doesn't help the negotiation. Again, I think that premier Ford is taking the right
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approach. Okay, well, we got some further clarity. We had another speech. So Justin Trudeau is
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gallivanting around Europe. You know, guys, this is so frustrating. So frustrating, folks. We have a
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crisis in Canada, right? We are facing impending doom with a tariff threat from the U.S. administration,
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okay? And what is our prime minister doing? Gallivanting across Europe, going from city to
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city, engaging in the kind of international development stuff that he prefers, frankly,
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than rolling up his sleeves and doing the hard work. We don't have parliament. We don't have
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government in session. And then here we have Prime Minister Justin Trudeau trying to stir the pot,
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trying to gain favor for his Liberal Party, get more people. You know, the more people are afraid
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of the Americans, the better that the Liberals are doing in the polls. So here's Trudeau speaking at
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a press conference in Brussels, Belgium. Justin Trudeau told reporters, again, he said this in the past,
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he says, there's not a snowball's hell in chance that Canada will ever be the 51st state.
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And he added, at the same time, we have to take seriously what President Trump says. Let's play
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that clip. There's not a snowball's chance in hell that Canada will ever be the 51st state.
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At the same time, from having worked with President Trump for over eight years now,
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I can tell you that we have to take seriously what he says and make sure we're responding
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appropriately. So after initially not taking the comments by Trump very seriously, remember that
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Trudeau sort of laughed it off at the beginning, which I think is actually the right approach. I
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talked to Preston Manning and he agreed. He thinks that this was all initially meant as a joke to kind
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of ruse Trudeau and tease Trudeau, and that it's really the Laurentians and the media that are
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blowing things out of proportion, making it seem like it's a real threat that Canada is about to
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get annexed any minute. Well, Stephen Harper, the former conservative prime minister, jumped in and
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shared serious concern. So Stephen Harper was speaking on Tuesday in Ottawa at a launch party for
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his book, Flags of Canada. And there he said that US President Donald Trump's annexation threats
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should be met with unwavering determination to preserve this country's independence at any cost.
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He said that Canada should accept any level of damage to fight back against Donald Trump. So it seems
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like former Prime Minister Stephen Harper really takes this threat literally. And he does think that
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Trump is trying to take over Canada, that it is a serious, literal threat, that we should be willing
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to accept any level of damage. I don't agree with that, folks. I think that, again,
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this is all part of the negotiation. And look at what Danielle Smith had to say in Washington,
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D.C. She says that she thinks that they're making inroads and that things are going well.
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So the people who are on the ground talking to American officials and Republican insiders in
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Washington, someone like Danielle Smith, says, like, let's not lose our minds over this.
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Let's keep calm and negotiate a deal. Here is what Danielle Smith had to say.
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I think diplomacy is working. I think that the fact that we got a 30 day reprieve was because we
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agreed to work on the cross border problem of fentanyl. I was pleased to see the federal
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government announced a fentanyl czar. And my administration has already been in touch with
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him to talk about how in Alberta, we can lend to the success of those efforts. So what I would say
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is what I've seen from this president is that he is prepared to make a deal.
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And in other news, Canada has finally appointed a fentanyl czar. So the Trudeau government on
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Tuesday appointed Kevin Brousseau, his national security advisor, has now become Canada's first
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fentanyl czar. Brousseau is a former senior officer in the RCMP rising up the ranks to become Manitoba's
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deputy commissioner in 2016. He left policing in 2019 to become a senior public servant, serving as
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the assistant deputy to Transport Canada and then associate deputy for the Department of Fisheries.
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Speaking to reporters in Washington, D.C., Finance and Intergovernment Affairs Minister Dominic LeBlanc
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said that he had spoken to Donald Trump's Commerce Secretary, Howard Lutnick, about Canada's new fentanyl
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czar, adding that he feels confident that they very much have their attention. Here is this clip from
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Washington. Howard Lutnick was there. The national economic advisor to President Trump was also
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there. We started the conversation by discussing our shared priorities around border security and the
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fight against fentanyl. We took stock of the good work that has been done around illegal migration.
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We spoke about the appointment of our fentanyl czar who will be in Washington in a few days. I'm confident
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that we very much have their attention. They made that clear to us that Canada is very much top of
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mind for the work that Mr. Lutnick's doing. That was encouraging. Okay, moving on. So yesterday on
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the show, I had Cosme Zherja, a senior reporter and journalist for True North, on the show. We spent
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the entire episode talking about Mark Carney and how he has not really been vetted. We don't really know
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much about him. And yet he's basically been selected to become Canada's next prime minister. He will
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probably be the prime minister sometime in early March after the liberal leadership vote. Well,
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I want to show this clip of Mark Carney that's making the rounds. He was in Kelowna, British Columbia.
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And here's what he tells the crowd. He says that all of the federal powers of the federal government,
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including the Emergencies Act, should be used against the Americans in this trade war. So first of all,
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the liberals are playing this up as a crisis, as an existential threat to Canada, because it's
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better for their electoral future if Canadians are afraid and worried and fearful and divided. This
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is the liberal playbook. They've used it over and over again. And Mark Carney, again, just lets the
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cat right out of the bag and says, hey, remember when we use those Emergencies Act illegally during
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the COVID Freedom Convoy to crack down on peaceful protesters? Well, we're going to do that again. We
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will use the emergency power once again. It's just one crisis, one emergency after the next for
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these people. And again, Carney showing us a different side of him that you probably won't
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see in the legacy media. Here is that clip. And something that my government is going to do
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is to use all of the powers of the federal government, including the emergency powers
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of the federal government to accelerate the major projects that we need in order to build this economy
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and take on the Americans. Now, True North and Juno News may be some of the only outlets in the country
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delivering the news, telling you the truth, telling you the facts about someone like Mark Carney,
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who is, again, very unvetted. The media is not looking at him critically. They are not showing
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Canadians the full picture. They're just giving him this sort of glossy, rosy honeymoon period. Like,
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look at this fresh new face. He's a smart central banker who's going to come save Canada from
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those mean, nasty Americans. Well, you deserve to see both sides. Canadians deserve to see both sides
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because otherwise Canadians aren't going to know who this man really is. And again, I'm worried that
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Canadians will make a colossal mistake in the next election if they don't learn more. And so, again,
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we've seen this in the polls. I had Hamish Marshall, great pollster, on the show earlier this week to
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talk about the fact that now that Trudeau is out of the picture and now that it looks like Mark Carney
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will be the person running. The election is actually going to be a lot tighter than we
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initially thought. It's not going to be a shoe-in for Pierre Polyev and the Conservatives. It's not
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going to be a cakewalk and an easy majority. So the latest polls to come out, this was in the National
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Post, a new lege poll suggests that a Mark Carney-led Liberal Party could boost Liberal support by six
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points, up to 37 percent, tying the Tories, tying the Conservatives. Unbelievable. Unbelievable if Canadians let
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the Liberals get away with what they've done to the country over the last nine years. I can't say this enough,
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folks. It is so important that we have independent media. We have an independent news source to hold people
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accountable, including the legacy media. Hold them accountable because they are not telling you the full story.
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They're not telling Canadians the truth. Please, I encourage you to go on over to JunoNews.com. Subscribe to our
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on over to JunoNews.com and please subscribe. Okay, moving on. So this Saturday is Flag Day. Yes, we have a Flag
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Day in Canada. It is the day where you're supposed to show your pride in the Canadian flag, honor the
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anniversary of the new flag of Canada. Remember, we used to have the red ensign. It was redone to show
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that we were more independent from the United Kingdom. We got the maple leaf. That has been our
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flag for some 60 years now. And this weekend is the day that you're supposed to remember that,
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fly the flag, show your patriotism. So it's interesting because we have seen a sort of resurgence
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of patriotism in Canada, a love of country, particularly on the political left, on the liberal side of the
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aisle. Recall that during the Freedom Convoy, during the depth of the COVID lockdowns, the Freedom Convoy
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came out and one of the rallying points that they had was a Canadian flag. They were fighting for
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their Canadian values that they felt had been taken away from the Trudeau government,
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their Canadian freedoms that are enshrined in our charter. They were using the flag as a rallying
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point to show, hey, look, we're all Canadian. We love this country and we want our country back.
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While the left and the liberals hated that, they hated this idea that this sort of blue collar group
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of rowdy Canadians were saying enough of the lockdowns and that they were using the flag to
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the point where the left really separated themselves and denounced the flag. And they decided that the
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Canadian flag was a symbol of hate. It was a symbol of far right, whatever they called us. It was total
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nonsense and it was ridiculous. You know, we're talking about years and years of the left demonizing
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Canadians, telling us that we're racist, telling us that our country is genocidal and that we were
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built off of oppression. And really saying that they wanted nothing to do with Canada, I was happy
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for the political right to take over the flag and have that be our symbol because we still love our
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country. We still believe in our country. Well, now that we're in this trade war with the Americans
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and war of words between the Trump administration, more Canadians on the political left and the liberals
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are willing to use the flag and trying to take the flag back. Hey, I'll take it. I think that we should
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all rally around the flag, unite around the flag. And so if you saw, I did an interview with Preston
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Manning, the former leader of the Reform Party in Canada, and he had this message for Canadians. He
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said that the best way to root out anti-Canadianism is to fly the flag. Here is what that looked like
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when he told me on my show last week. This is anti-Canadianism. Try and root out the anti-Canadianism
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from our institutions. And one simple practical suggestions I've had to friends is to fly the
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flag. You know, when you go to the U.S. and go through the Midwestern towns or even in New
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England, every eight or nine house has one of these American flags on it. Americans, for all their
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faults that we continually point out, are basically proud of their own country. And one of the ways
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they show it is to fly the flag. Well, why don't we fly the flag? Why don't we fly the flag?
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And so, hey, I think that a lot of people may have seen our interview and agreed with us because
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Pierre Paulyev a couple of days later posted this clip on X. Similarly, encouraging Canadians to go out
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there, purchase a flag for Flag Day, celebrate the Maple Leaf, celebrate Canada. Here is what that looked like.
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This Saturday is, in fact, Flag Day. So I'm encouraging everyone, regardless of your political
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allegiance, to go out, get yourself a flag, big or small, put it on a flagpole in front of your home
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or through your window or in any other way that you can show our colors. We're very proud of this
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country. We'll never be the 51st state. We will always be a strong, self-reliant, sovereign country.
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So let's show that message by raising the flag.
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And just because some liberals and some left-wingers on social media are now trying to take the flag
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back doesn't mean that the actual Liberal Party of Canada has because they haven't officially
00:23:29.620
celebrated or recognized Flag Day since 2020. Remember that Justin Trudeau lowered the flag to
00:23:36.640
half-staff after that fake news hoax of the unmarked grave story came out. He left the flag down at half
00:23:42.780
mass for months and months. It was a total disgrace. It was so disgraceful for our country to be humiliated
00:23:49.140
that way with a prime minister who was basically saying that we should have shame. We should feel
00:23:53.160
shame in our country. We shouldn't fly the flag. We shouldn't celebrate being Canadians. That is the
00:23:57.660
wrong approach. I hope the Liberals will reverse that and once again recognize something like Flag Day,
00:24:02.600
but I don't think it's going to happen this year, we have seen some Liberal boosters online, like I said,
00:24:08.000
have a little change in tune, change of tone when it came to the flag. So I'm going to point
00:24:12.180
one of my favorite examples of hypocritical Liberals out. So this is an individual named Mike Gibbs. He is
00:24:18.220
a big Liberal supporter on X and he wrote this back in 2022. Okay, so this was three years ago.
00:24:23.640
He says on this Canada Day, I can't help but think perhaps we need a new flag or a refreshed flag
00:24:31.420
because Canada and arguably our flag was tarnished long before the convoy with centuries of blood and
00:24:38.400
genocidal murder of Indigenous nations. We need a reset. We need a new symbol. So that was on July 1st,
00:24:44.740
2022. Well, the same user, Mike Gibbs, now on February 10th, 2025 had this to say,
00:24:50.780
nothing better than a brand new Canadian flag. We just got it from Canadian Tire. F Trump,
00:24:57.280
F mega. And then he also wrote, you'd think it was Canada Day. I've never seen this many flags up
00:25:03.360
in Ajax before. The resistance to Trump and Canada is growing. All right, pal, you can see his Twitter
00:25:10.940
bio there, Mike Gibbs with the rainbow flag and the Ukraine flag. Him, he, him pronouns. Thanks, bud.
00:25:18.520
Thanks, bud. So this guy is saying that there's a resurgence in the Canada flag after just three
00:25:23.640
years ago telling us that it was genocidal. Yeah, I think we're tired of that. I think we see
00:25:27.420
through you and your noise. So rich, so much irony in the fact that it's now liberals telling us to
00:25:33.620
wrap ourselves in the flag when for years they have been the ones demonizing the flag. Okay,
00:25:38.760
I want to show you earlier I sat down with Keembexy. Like I said, we were in Ottawa for the release of
00:25:44.820
the new announcement of Juno News. So excited to bring this to you. We filmed a promo video outside
00:25:50.380
and then we went back inside and recorded this interview. So part of what we want to offer
00:25:54.980
to subscribers of Juno News is sort of an inside behind the scenes look at journalism. What is it
00:26:00.720
like to be an independent journalist? What is it like to go around the country and tell these stories
00:26:05.060
to Canadians? It was great to have this sort of fireside chat with Keembe, who is my co-founder
00:26:09.840
at Juno News. We hope to bring you conversations like this. We're going to offer it to subscribers
00:26:15.340
every month. You're going to get a sit down with Keembe and I where we talk about what we're working
00:26:19.340
on, what we're doing, give you a little behind the scenes of what it's like to be an independent
00:26:22.760
journalist in Canada. So here is what that interview looked like.
00:26:28.780
Hi everyone, I'm very pleased to be joined with my co-founder Keembexy. We have come together to start
00:26:34.680
a new media company, as you probably know, called Juno News. And I'm very pleased. We were actually
00:26:39.300
just outside filming and it is freezing cold in Ottawa. So if our noses are a little red and our
00:26:44.380
toes are a little cold, it's because we were outside for like half an hour. It kind of brought back
00:26:48.060
memories of the Freedom Convoy, didn't it? Yeah, frigid cold. The cold that you only get in Ottawa
00:26:52.940
when you're outside trying to capture the moment and the weather just doesn't cooperate.
00:26:58.380
Well, we were talking about it because I lived in Edmonton for four years. I went to the University of Alberta
00:27:01.780
and I actually found that it was colder when I lived in Ottawa because in Edmonton, everyone knows
00:27:07.000
you're going to drive everywhere, right? So you're never really outside for too long. But Ottawa is
00:27:10.260
very much a walking city. So you end up outside a lot, walking from building to building. And it's
00:27:14.520
like a combination of the wind and just the wet cold. It's so cold. Yeah, it gets you down to your
00:27:19.020
bones. I can't stand it, coming from Calgary. But yeah, it's exciting about Juno. I really think that
00:27:24.940
this is going to change the media landscape in the country. Well, so why don't we, I mean, the point of
00:27:29.700
this conversation today is we want to do a bit more of a fireside chat. We're going to talk about
00:27:33.320
the news, but I also want to sort of unveil the curtains a little and let the audience know
00:27:37.800
a little bit like what it's like to be an independent journalist in Canada, like why we're
00:27:41.660
doing what we're doing. And one of the things I wanted to ask you, Kian, like we talked about it
00:27:46.660
a little bit when you came on my show before, but that footage of you with Justin Trudeau on the
00:27:50.580
beach in Tofino, like it's so incredible to me that you were able to do that and no legacy media
00:27:56.020
journalist was. You know, people that had so many more resources, you know, who, they know where
00:28:00.900
Justin Trudeau is. They know what he's doing, but they didn't bother to go and show up there.
00:28:06.660
You've had other opportunities where you've caught up with Trudeau at various places in the country.
00:28:09.880
I think I saw another video of you kind of chasing him out of a meeting somewhere on the East Coast.
00:28:15.420
So like, how do you do it? Like, how do you find him? How do you stake out? Like, tell us what goes
00:28:20.100
Well, a lot of it comes down to, I mean, our viewers at The Counter Signal, they're really
00:28:26.320
well-connected people. And we get tips every day. Oh, I saw the Prime Minister here. Oh, I saw Greta
00:28:31.940
Thunberg here. Oh, you know, all of these examples of citizen journalism that they're doing, that when
00:28:38.360
they send it to us, we're able to take action. Most people don't have the resources to fly across the
00:28:42.640
country and go find Trudeau when he's coming out of an oyster shop. You know, we do, though, luckily,
00:28:47.960
and we have the questions to pepper him with when he comes out. So it's a bit of a team
00:28:52.080
effort. It's a mutual relationship with our viewers who constantly, you know, they follow
00:28:57.180
his plane. They track it online and give us live updates of what's going on. And of course,
00:29:03.240
our team at The Counter Signal as well, I just couldn't do it without them as well. They are
00:29:07.960
constantly on the ball, finding new events, new locations where we're able to track them down
00:29:13.900
and ask questions. And it's not just Trudeau that we're interested in. It's every,
00:29:17.960
single politician in this country, whether they're conservative, whether they're united
00:29:23.000
conservative in Alberta, or whether they're a liberal in Ottawa. We want to hold the people
00:29:29.480
in power accountable because our viewers deserve nothing less.
00:29:33.220
I feel that way, too. So for me, I started in journalism as an opinion writer. I wrote in
00:29:37.540
the Toronto Sun, I wrote an opinion column. And it started out by me writing my opinion about the
00:29:42.420
immigration system. I was really opposed to what Justin Trudeau was doing in 2016 when he first
00:29:46.240
got elected. I thought that the Syrian refugee pledge was dangerous, just given the volatile
00:29:50.820
population over there and the research I was doing into how they were fast tracking it so people
00:29:56.460
weren't being vetted. They were just rushing people over. It was a total mess. And the more that I
00:30:00.700
wrote about immigration from like an opinion perspective, I started getting so many tips.
00:30:04.980
Like my inbox would just fill up with people inside the government, people who were working on
00:30:09.320
these very programs who kind of like I was onto something or MPs, people, I started getting so
00:30:14.280
many tips, even from immigrants themselves. Like I remember once I broke a story about how people
00:30:19.420
who were not citizens were being sent Elections Canada ballots. And it was literally sent to me
00:30:24.720
by someone who was not a citizen, who was like, hey, they're sending me this ballot. And like,
00:30:29.440
I'm not even supposed to vote in your country. So it is the amazing thing in journalism that like,
00:30:33.240
the more you do, the more it comes to you. It's definitely a positive feedback loop.
00:30:38.200
Yeah. And so much of it comes from the citizen journals. One of my favorite recent examples
00:30:43.660
was when we had the, you know, Elon Musk down there doing Doge in the U.S. and they were uncovering
00:30:50.760
all of the crazy, crazy programs that were happening at USAID or USAID. And then all of a sudden,
00:30:56.800
the sleuths went in and did the same thing to the Canadian equivalent. And, you know, there's a whole
00:31:01.940
thing about whether the website was down, whether they're trying to hide it, whatever happened
00:31:05.320
there. But regardless of that, it was like, all of a sudden, there were dozens, if not hundreds
00:31:09.340
of really amazing researchers finding the most ridiculous examples of these government programs
00:31:15.920
and putting them out there. So, you know, the media is stacked against sort of free-thinking,
00:31:23.280
free-speaking people in this country because the Trudeau government funds the legacy media,
00:31:27.400
like they pay for journalism. But I think that there's just such a groundswell of independent
00:31:32.700
voices, independent media. That's why I'm so excited to be in this space, like to launch
00:31:36.760
Juno News, to have this platform. I think it's like we're at the right place at the right time
00:31:40.640
because hopefully there'll be a change of government. I really hope Pierre Polyev follows through
00:31:45.320
and defunds the CBC like immediately, gets rid of all these other subsidies and programs to
00:31:50.600
journalists because there'll be a vacuum. Like I think, I imagine that a lot of those companies
00:31:54.280
will disappear and more Canadians will come to trusted independent voices. So that's why I'm
00:32:00.540
excited to be launching this. How do you feel? Well, what's terrible about the CBC, aside from
00:32:05.380
their just blatant partisanship, is that they're losing ad money, which is like the number one
00:32:11.040
indicator of a failing news site. Ads are how companies should be run, news companies should
00:32:16.680
be run. If you're not getting views on the site, then what's the point of the news company
00:32:23.940
existing in the first place? And the CBC is hemorrhaging ad revenue. They're supported by
00:32:27.980
our tax dollars, and we're supposed to hope that enough people are viewing it that they're sort of
00:32:32.720
able to sustain themselves, but that just hasn't been the case. It hasn't been the case with most
00:32:37.220
mainstream media legacy outlets, and that's why they rely on the journalism subsidy. On top of all
00:32:43.100
of the ad contracts that they have with the government of Canada and every other provincial government
00:32:47.820
in the country, which is, it's reasonable for governments to advertise on these platforms
00:32:52.040
because, you know, I was talking to someone about this yesterday. On the Counter Signal,
00:32:57.660
we have ads with the Alberta government, and the people that view our news, some of them are like
00:33:05.480
morally opposed to viewing anything in the mainstream media, and especially the CBC, but they still have
00:33:11.620
a right to view messaging that is important from the government, whether it's about budget plans or
00:33:18.280
important, like, announcements that they're making. And the federal government does the same thing
00:33:23.440
with legacy media outlets and even some, like, smaller media outlets. I don't think they pick and
00:33:28.580
choose favorites there, and I think that that's fine, but there's a difference between that and blatantly
00:33:33.440
subsidizing a media company because it's a media company.
00:33:37.420
Well, to the point about ads, it's one of those funny things. It's like, if the government wants to get
00:33:41.300
to your readers, that's the way to do it. And if you say no to those government ads, they're just
00:33:45.060
going to turn and try to find, they basically give the money to your competitors. So I don't really
00:33:49.680
have a problem with that. But the thing that drives me just absolutely crazy is, you know, the whole
00:33:54.540
premise behind the media bailouts is that the media companies said that there's no business case in
00:33:59.380
Canada, that you cannot make money and run a business and do journalism because Canadians aren't
00:34:04.140
willing to pay for it. Well, part of the reason they aren't willing to pay for it is because the CBC gives it
00:34:08.160
away for free, right? The CBC doesn't have a paywall. They don't require a subscription.
00:34:11.300
So they're doing all of this journalism, giving it away for free. And then they say to their
00:34:15.900
competitors, like, you know, you have to monetize by creating subscriptions and paywalls, but you're
00:34:20.780
competing on an uneven playing field because the CBC has them. But then even for the large newspapers
00:34:25.880
like the Toronto Stars and the Post Media, you know, they say that they need the government bailouts
00:34:31.400
just to exist and they wouldn't exist without it. But I think that the independent media has again
00:34:35.520
proven that the claim that they're making is false. It's not true. Canadians are willing to pay for
00:34:40.840
journalism. They're willing to pay for news. We're living proof of that, right? Like, look at the
00:34:44.680
businesses that we both built. Look at the Rebel. Like, there's so many Canadians that are willing
00:34:49.320
to pay for this. And we all have, like, successful thriving businesses because Canadians are so
00:34:54.140
passionate about paying for the news that they're willing to sometimes not even pay for the
00:34:57.580
subscription, but they want to donate and give us an extra $200 to make sure that, you know, we're
00:35:01.520
able to get the resources that we need. And so I think the entire premise of what they're saying,
00:35:08.060
what the newspapers and what the liberals and what the government says has just been completely
00:35:17.260
Okay, I want to talk about Cosmin Georgia's scoop at True North. But first, I just remembered
00:35:20.780
one other question that I wanted to ask you while we're still kind of talking behind the scenes
00:35:23.980
of what it's like to be a journalist. There's a picture on your X page that's a picture of you,
00:35:28.860
Tucker Carlson, Daniel Smith, Conrad Black, and who's the other one?
00:35:34.460
Jordan Peterson. Jordan B. Peterson. And like, I can't imagine like four bigger, plus yourself,
00:35:39.900
five bigger stars in the world of like Canadian conservatives. So how did you get that picture?
00:35:44.300
Yeah, that's so funny. Tucker was in Calgary on a speaking tour. And I was luckily lucky enough to
00:35:51.340
be invited into this room that they were all in. And we just all sort of got together for a quick photo.
00:35:57.180
And I mean, it looks it looks amazing. It's like it was a dream come true. And Tucker is so funny,
00:36:01.900
too. He's such a friendly guy. So is Jordan, Dr. Peterson. He's a fantastic person to get to know
00:36:09.340
and chat with. You know, and Conrad Black as well. He's a legend in the industry. So being able to chat
00:36:17.020
Yeah, my only problem whenever I, you know, I'm lucky enough to be in the room with any of those people
00:36:22.300
is like, how do I even prioritize what I'm going to talk to him about? Like, if I see Jordan Peterson,
00:36:25.900
I'm like, I have like 10 things that I want to ask him about. And it's like, you know,
00:36:29.100
you have like 10 seconds to say something to him. So that's very cool. Okay, let's get to Cosman's
00:36:33.420
scoop because we were talking a little bit about foreign aid. So Cosman Georgia over at
00:36:37.100
True North Wire broke a story exclusive liberal donors, former candidate lead foreign aid organization
00:36:43.580
that has received $180 million since 2015. Isn't this the way that it always goes with liberals? Like,
00:36:50.940
not only are they funding absolutely ridiculous wasteful programs, but somehow they find a way
00:36:56.220
to make their friends rich in the process. How much money was it? $180 million since 2015.
00:37:02.060
And the company includes former liberal donors, former a CEO who once ran for liberal nomination
00:37:10.700
under Justin Trudeau. And so this sort of cozy, cozy relationship that exists, I think something
00:37:15.740
like 70% of this organization's budget comes from Global Affairs Canada. It's called CUSO International.
00:37:23.740
Great digging, great research over there at True North by Cosman Georgia.
00:37:26.860
Cosman's great. Every time I see a new scoop, it's coming from him. He's always on top of it.
00:37:32.300
He always has, he, I don't know how he does it. I wish I, I wish I could have like the, the, the research
00:37:38.700
skills of that guy because he, no matter where it is in the world, whether it's in Canada
00:37:42.460
or in Europe, if someone like mentions Justin Trudeau in like some foreign parliament,
00:37:48.220
he's like published on it within like five minutes of it happening. It's amazing.
00:37:51.900
Yeah. He's got an amazing research skills. One of the, I think probably the most read piece,
00:37:56.220
I don't know if it still is, but for a while, the most read piece we ever had on our website
00:38:00.300
was Cosman put together a map of Canada and he had geotagged all the locations where churches had been
00:38:06.540
burnt down in the aftermath of the unmarked graves hoax that happened. And this, this thing was like
00:38:12.700
referenced by like media companies all over the world. It was really amazing. The initiative that
00:38:17.020
he put together because we, we saw that it was happening. You know, all these churches are getting
00:38:20.300
burnt down and I don't think anyone had like put it all together in one location. So you could see
00:38:24.460
like, it's actually like, it's not just a few, it's not just a handful. We're talking about, I think it's
00:38:29.340
over a hundred churches. Yeah. So honestly, Cosman is as good as it gets. And again, a good win for
00:38:36.380
independent media that we have him on our side. This is why I know that this, this is going to
00:38:40.940
work out well, Juno, because the counter signals, you know, the biggest story that we ever published,
00:38:46.460
like it was, it was viewed so much, broke all the records on our site and around the world
00:38:53.660
was when we published that the 50th church had been burnt. Like once that happened, that, that was so
00:38:58.780
shocking to an American audience that it just, you know, it spread like wildfire to forgive the pun,
00:39:04.780
but it, it's tragic what has happened in this country. You know, if it, if it was any other
00:39:10.140
religion, this would have been treated almost akin to a genocide. What is going on with churches in
00:39:15.980
this country? And I feel like it is slowed down a little bit, but the legacy of that lie that there was
00:39:24.700
mass graves in the ground in Kamloops, they were, they were treating it like it was the Holocaust
00:39:30.380
that happened in this country, which is a, it's, it cheapens the Holocaust. And it's just a lie.
00:39:37.020
There, there were no mass graves, but, and, and the, the word is important. They're mass graves. They
00:39:41.980
were treating it like there was, there was piles of bodies of children buried, which of course, if that
00:39:46.700
did happen, that would be outrageous. That would be insane. And nobody, you know, if, if there was evidence
00:39:51.580
of that happening, we should try to uncover that evidence and expose that injustice,
00:39:56.380
that crime against humanity, that, that evidence just doesn't exist. And the mainstream media
00:40:01.020
willfully lied and misled the public about that in a way that has damaged the reputation of our country,
00:40:07.420
of the Catholic church, to, to another extent, and has warped the, it has warped the image of,
00:40:17.340
you know, an entire religion in this country and the history of our country among the eyes of the
00:40:22.220
world. Well, there's so many things I could say, but yeah, I mean, the, the use of the word mass
00:40:26.140
graves isn't intentional. Like when you think, when you hear that, you think of the Soviet Union or you
00:40:31.260
think of the killing fields of Cambodia or something like that. Like we're never talking about mass graves.
00:40:35.340
And the fact that they use that, I think you're right, that was deceptive. It was repetitive.
00:40:38.940
It was. And, and, and, and it was demoralizing. I think that that was the main thing. Like it's so
00:40:43.660
rich right now, Kian, to see Justin Trudeau and the liberals play this like team Canada, like with
00:40:48.940
the flag and take back the flag and everything. It's like, I'm sorry, you've spent the last nine
00:40:53.100
years and specifically since 2021, telling Canadians that they are racist, that they are, that their
00:40:58.940
country was built on genocide, that it is shameful to be Canadian, exaggerating things that happened in
00:41:04.780
our past, like no one's past is perfect. And I think that Canada made a lot of mistakes with that
00:41:08.460
program. I'm not in favor of residential schools at all. But the reality is they flamed a story,
00:41:14.540
flamed a hoax narrative that Canada had committed genocide, that I'm sorry, but priests and nuns
00:41:19.580
were out there murdering kids. Like it was never true. It was outrageous on the surface. And the
00:41:24.460
legacy media didn't challenge it. Instead, they just promoted it and propagated it. And it did take
00:41:29.100
the independent press. I know that there were some strong voices in the legacy media that came around
00:41:33.500
like Terry Glavin and he did great work on it. But that was like a year or two after the fact.
00:41:37.900
True North, we were telling these facts and reporting this in real time. And it was tough
00:41:42.700
because nobody wanted to hear it. And people were very upset that we would dare question the
00:41:47.900
narrative. And that's all we were doing at the time was just asking some simple questions like,
00:41:51.500
what do you mean ground penetrating radar? What does that mean? What does that entail? When is this
00:41:55.900
report going to be released? When can we see it? Like, what have you found? Just kind of basic questions.
00:42:00.620
And poking some holes in the narrative that we saw. And, you know, I think it's terrible what
00:42:06.220
Justin Trudeau did to the country, what the media did. Because, I mean, imagine like for any young
00:42:11.900
Canadian growing up, you know, you look at patriotism rates, the number of young Canadians
00:42:16.700
that say that they would move to the United States, it's like half. And it's like, well,
00:42:19.500
do you really blame them? They were raised at a time like telling, like, first of all,
00:42:23.580
there's not the same economic opportunities. But you also live in a country that tells them that there's
00:42:27.740
something wrong with them, that their country is wrong, that it was built off the back of something
00:42:31.580
horrendous. And it's the same thing for First Nations children. It's like, imagine being told
00:42:36.780
that narrative and trying to live in that country, being told that you're not, you're not ever really
00:42:41.020
going to have a fair shake. The country hates you, they try to commit genocide against you and your
00:42:45.020
people. Like, it's just such a horrible thing that they did. And that is one thing, I honestly think
00:42:49.340
that's one of the worst things that Justin Trudeau did to this country. A legacy of demoralizing and
00:42:54.380
destroying a generation, making it financially impossible to live, making it almost a crime to
00:43:04.300
love your country and support its history, despite the issues that it had. You know, you made a good
00:43:10.860
point. The residential school system was terrible. You know, I'm the last person that would ever support
00:43:17.020
the idea of a government coming into a family's home and taking kids. You know, that's nuts.
00:43:22.780
That didn't really happen, though. That's the thing. Like, that's why, you know,
00:43:26.540
True North published a book called Grave Error. Tom Flanagan, who's a renowned professor of political
00:43:30.860
science there, you know, he basically makes the point that the program was never compulsory.
00:43:35.660
This idea that they were coming in and swooping and taking kids is greatly exaggerated. And that the
00:43:40.700
numbers, like, it was a voluntary program. Most people actually wanted their kids to go,
00:43:44.540
because they wanted their children to have the opportunity to have a free education.
00:43:47.740
And they were top-notch education in many cases. So, I mean, so many of the things that we say and
00:43:54.780
hear about the residential school program are not true.
00:43:57.500
I think broadly speaking, I would say that it wasn't a good thing for the country. Just, you know,
00:44:03.580
I don't like the government intervening in most cases.
00:44:06.700
Yeah, like, I'm glad that the education is under the provincial jurisdiction. I wouldn't want a federal
00:44:12.460
Yeah, yeah, it would be a disaster nine times out of 10. But yeah, you know, that is Trudeau's legacy,
00:44:18.460
is the legacy of demoralizing a generation, making it financially impossible to
00:44:22.700
live and work in the country. You know, it's become almost a status symbol to have a home now.
00:44:29.020
That wasn't the case 10, 15 years ago. Once you turned 25, you were sort of on your way to,
00:44:36.220
you know, and you had a job and you started a family, you were on your way, you'd have a home.
00:44:42.700
And on top of that, you know, having kids at this point has become a status symbol.
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It's impossible to afford children in Justin Trudeau's Canada. And I think that's by design.
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Justin Trudeau doesn't really care if, if you're struggling to afford groceries,
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you're not fighting back against the government. That's, that's it, plain and simple.
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Well, I hope that, you know, having kids, I think having kids is one of the most important
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things that people can do. Like, like, it's really sad to me to see the plummeting birth rates,
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something that we don't talk about nearly enough. It's, it's really a alarming trend among young
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Canadians. There's not having kids. Millennials aren't having kids. Gen Z aren't having kids.
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I think the replacement rate is supposed to be 2.1. I think right now we're at like 1.3,
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which is just like terrifyingly low. And I think you're right. When people are demoralized,
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when they feel like they can't afford things, they're not going to take that next step in life.
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I wanted to quickly just, before we wrap it up, you know, the premiers are down in Washington, D.C.
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right now we, you know, we're hearing lots of different things come out of that event. But one
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of the things that frustrates me is when you have like the federal minister of international trade
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saying supply management is off the table. Like we're not willing to budge on this basically
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internal protectionist program that we have, that if you were American, you'd say that's a legitimate
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concern. So we're saying we're not willing to even talk about supply management of dairy. We would
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rather have 25% tariffs across the board on everything than worry about upsetting this
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one special interest group. You made the point that, you know, they were willing to sacrifice
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Alberta oil, right? But they're not willing to sacrifice this arcane, outdated communist program
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that protects a couple of hundred dairy farmers.
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That's literally the sacred cow of this country. The oil lobby could learn a few things from the
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dairy lobby. The dairy lobby is great at what they do because they have positioned themselves as like,
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these like supporters of small family farms. Like, like, if we didn't have this communist control
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over our milk and butter system, then family farms would cease to exist. It's like, no, that's not true.
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You know, if we let American dairy into the into this country, our farmers, you know, supposedly are great.
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You know, I think they are. I think that we have great, great farmers in this country and they will be
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able to manage their own supply. They'll be able to manage a high quality product. They'll be able to
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grow and compete. And who doesn't want American dairy products and more choice in their supermarkets?
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Who wouldn't want European cheese in their supermarkets? But for some reason, we are not allowed to allow
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that free market into our country. For what? To protect this massive lobby that has a ton of money
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to influence politicians. You know, that's how I started my career was actually exposing the dairy
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lobby for their manipulative tactics that they used on the Conservative Party and Andrew Scheer,
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when the Conservative Party was considering getting rid of supply management. And, you know, they,
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they promised their membership, the dairy lobby, that didn't matter what people voted for,
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they were going to get their way, which I think is, I think is sad. But, you know, I, I think that the
00:47:50.220
oil oil industry should take notes because, you know, the, the Ottawa, the government in Ottawa
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seems completely willing to sacrifice the oil and gas industry just, you know, over almost nothing.
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But they won't budge on this when our entire economy is on the line. It's embarrassing.
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Well, in, you know, especially given the reality that we live in, like we have a cost of living crisis,
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Canadians can't afford groceries at the same rate. I think like, what is it, 40% use a food bank,
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or 20%, sorry, have used a food bank, millions and millions of Canadians. It's like, how about we
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introduce a policy that might lower the prices, add some competition in there? I think you're right
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that Canadian dairy farmers do a great job and it's a good quality product, but couldn't we all benefit
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from some more competition? We do live in a free market society, or at least we're supposed to.
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They're treating our milk like OPEC. It treats oil.
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Which is, you know, it's, that's, it's shameful. Seeing milk go down the drain while, while food
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banks are running out of food. People are lining up, it's actually bread lines, and we're dumping
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milk down the drain to protect an archaic system that should not exist, and gambling our entire economy
00:48:59.980
over this one issue. This is what Donald Trump wants. He wants concessions on things that we should
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do, even though the Americans, you know, whether the Americans want us to do it or not. It'd be
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good for Canadians to open up the market and provide more milk to families so that single moms who have
00:49:15.420
three kids and are struggling can put milk in their kid's cereal bowl. You know, I looked at a jug of
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milk when I was going to the supermarket last week. It was like eight bucks for four liters of milk,
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and a stick of butter was even more than that. Like, it's outrageous.
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It is. It is. And, you know, again, this is kind of like a low-hanging fruit. It shouldn't take an
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American putting pressure on us from a trade perspective to do the right thing to help Canadians
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