The Candice Malcolm Show - The one group of people Canadians openly discriminate against： the unvaccinated

00:00:00.320 Thousands of Canadians have lost their jobs, their education, and their well-being as a result of

00:00:05.840 vaccine mandates and vaccine passports. They're the one group in society we are now allowed to

00:00:10.960 denigrate, demonize, and scapegoat. And the legacy media refuses to report on the devastating effects

00:00:17.920 of these mandatory vaccines, but we at True North were willing to do that.

00:00:21.360 I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.

00:00:23.440 Hi everyone, thank you so much for tuning in. You know, if you watch the legacy media,

00:00:32.000 if you tune into the CBC, you would see a lot of scapegoating of the unvaccinated. You would see

00:00:38.320 very visceral reactions. There is an infamous now Toronto Star front page headline that said,

00:00:44.000 let them die. I can't imagine any other group in society being treated the way that our society

00:00:49.600 has been treating the unvaccinated, treating them as if they're barely human, that they don't have 1.00

00:00:55.040 the same rights and freedoms as the rest of us. And according to our law now, they don't. They don't

00:00:59.520 have the same rights and the same freedoms as other Canadians, even though they are Canadians.

00:01:04.480 One of the most shocking things of the 2021 federal election this year was the way that Trudeau was

00:01:10.000 openly bashing these Canadians, like as if they weren't actually Canadian citizens, as if they didn't

00:01:15.440 deserve the same dignity, respect and rights as other Canadians. It was disturbing to see. And again,

00:01:21.520 no other group would be treated this way, no other group. And so to talk about this today,

00:01:25.680 I wanted to bring back Samuel Say. We had him on the show yesterday and this is an area that he's

00:01:30.480 really good at as well. So I invited him to come on again today. So if you don't know Samuel, you should

00:01:35.440 really check him out. He runs the website slow2write.com. He's a scholar and a writer based in Brampton,

00:01:41.680 Ontario. And he has a lot of areas of expertise. Usually he's out there investigating and critiquing

00:01:49.120 critical race theory and talking about biblical theory. But one of the things that he did that

00:01:54.400 was really, really useful and interesting was that he created a long form piece of writing about people

00:02:02.560 and their individual stories of how they've been affected, how their freedom has been upended

00:02:07.360 because of the vaccine mandates and their own personal unwillingness to get vaccinated.

00:02:12.320 Really heartbreaking story. So first of all, Samuel, thank you so much for joining the Canada's

00:02:16.160 Welcome Show again today. Thank you for having me again. I appreciate it.

00:02:20.480 Okay. So why don't you tell us, first of all, how did this idea come to fruition? So really, you put

00:02:26.640 out an open call and you heard back from a lot of Canadians. So how did this idea come up and tell

00:02:31.440 us a little bit about it? Yeah. Well, it started because I've been following just the lockdowns and

00:02:40.800 especially the vaccine issue. And I was very concerned already that a number of, you know,

00:02:47.840 black people that I know a lot of my family and friends would be heavily impacted by the vaccine

00:02:55.440 mandates. And I was just thinking about how, you know, last year, our federal and provincial governments

00:03:00.480 talked about how they, they care about black lives matter and everything else. And yet they're about

00:03:06.400 to push a mandate that would disproportionately harm black people. And I was really bothered by that

00:03:13.120 hypocrisy. And then I reached out to a good friend of mine now, Jamil Giovanni, who was an author and

00:03:19.680 a radio host. And he is the Ontario government advocate for community opportunities. So I said,

00:03:26.000 look, Hey, this is in your area. Doug Ford hired you for this. I would love to have maybe

00:03:33.920 do something with you on this. And he's a great guy. He said, you know what, let's think of something.

00:03:40.000 And then he mentioned, you know, Sam, maybe we should have a place on your website to have people

00:03:45.120 share their stories on how the vaccine mandates are harming them. And then we will share it with the

00:03:50.640 Ontario government and then see how they re how they respond to that. And I can't go in detail,

00:03:55.840 actually, but we know that it did have some impact. Some of these stories have had an impact

00:04:00.640 in their mandates, as much as we don't like the mandates, we know it could have been much worse,

00:04:06.960 if not for these stories that we were able to able to collect. So then I ended up, you know,

00:04:12.880 creating a space on my on my blog, slow to write for people to share their stories. And we've received

00:04:17.520 over 100 entries so far from people across mostly Ontario, but across all of Canada sharing how

00:04:25.280 these mandates are harming their lives. You know, it's really interesting, it's rarely reported that

00:04:31.280 vaccine hesitancy is highest in black indigenous communities. And, you know, we had you on the show 0.65

00:04:36.400 yesterday, and we talked all about critical race theory. And we know that so many of these initiatives

00:04:40.800 are sort of, in theory, at least designed to help black indigenous people, you know, realize a greater

00:04:47.200 level of opportunity in our society. And yet, at the exact same time as they're advocating,

00:04:51.840 some people in the lab are advocating for these, you know, woke ideological

00:04:57.120 ideas, like critical race theory, or the ideas that come from critical race theory.

00:05:01.200 At the same time, those are some of the loudest voices advocating for really heavy handed measures

00:05:06.480 against unvaccinated. Is there a disconnect here? Like, do the people advocating not realize

00:05:12.160 who the unvaccinated people in large part are? Or, I know, Doug Ford, first, you resisted the

00:05:18.960 idea of a vaccine mandate, so you didn't want to create a split society. And yet, you know, that's

00:05:23.520 sort of what we're what we have at this point. So, yeah, I wonder if you could just address that?

00:05:28.480 Yeah, well, last year, I didn't believe them. And I don't believe them this year as well,

00:05:32.240 that they don't care about Black Lives Matter. They don't care about black people, anything like that.

00:05:35.520 I'm not saying they're racist. I'm just saying that it's all just politics. They'll say anything 0.94

00:05:40.320 they need to say to win elections. So, last year, when, you know, I mean, Trudeau went to the Black

00:05:45.280 Lives Matter rally and bent his knee, admitting that Canada is systemically racist. Well, that would

00:05:50.560 mean then that he is saying that he is the leader of a racist system. That would be him saying that he

00:05:55.120 is a racist. He doesn't really believe that. Of course he doesn't. He's just saying that because

00:05:58.000 he thinks that's what's best for him to do politically. And the same...

00:06:00.880 Well, he also said that he believed that Canada was committing genocide.

00:06:04.960 Not that we did commit genocide, not that Canada committed genocide in the past,

00:06:09.040 but that Canada is currently committing genocide. So, him admitting that would be admitting that he

00:06:14.800 is a genocidal prime minister, which, you know, is pretty wild that he admitted that and then he

00:06:20.080 got away with it. The media just gave a pass about that. But anyway, I'll let you continue because I

00:06:23.680 interrupted you. Virtuously. It's really bizarre. We live in a society where, you know, the way to get

00:06:29.440 to be seen as a virtuous person is to admit that you're a homo person, even though you don't really mean it. 1.00

00:06:33.520 That's just our society right now. So, in the same way, you know, the reason why they're doing

00:06:38.800 what they're doing, even though they know it's harming mostly black people or not mostly, but

00:06:43.760 it's a personal number of black people or just people, it's because they know what's best for

00:06:47.840 them. At least they think it's best for them politically to be doing this anyway. 0.82

00:06:51.280 So, can you tell us some of the, I mean, I read through some of the stories. I have to admit,

00:06:56.400 I didn't read them all because I found them pretty just heartbreaking, frankly, to read.

00:07:02.640 But can you share some of the, like, the gist of some of them or some of the ones that you found

00:07:07.600 particularly difficult to read? Absolutely. Some of the most, there are a lot. I've read every single

00:07:16.560 one of them and it's been difficult. It's difficult to read them because people are sharing their

00:07:22.560 their difficult, difficult stories. So, there are many immigrants who've mentioned how

00:07:28.160 they left their countries, they left a communist or oppressive regime to come to Canada for freedom.

00:07:33.520 And then now they're thinking, what do they come here for? Because the same things that were

00:07:37.360 happening, well, the same things they saw in their original nations are not being happening,

00:07:41.520 are happening here, where they're not being treated as second-class citizens. I heard from,

00:07:46.560 from nurses who were like, you know, at the beginning of this pandemic, they're being referred

00:07:51.120 to as heroes. But now they're being told, at the time anyway, that if you don't get vaccinated,

00:07:57.360 not only are you not a hero, you're not, you know, you're not worthy of working, working for us.

00:08:02.480 I've also heard from those one person in particular that was especially heartbreaking for me.

00:08:07.920 This person has a history of, I think she's just 18 or 19 years old, she has a history of autoimmune

00:08:14.640 disease in her family, and she herself has an autoimmune disease. And she is supposed to be in her

00:08:22.960 I think in her second or last year of university, she would be the first person in her family

00:08:28.720 to get a degree. Her parents are both, you know, ill and they're not able to provide

00:08:34.640 suicide past the next few years. So they've been relying on her to finish her degree so that she 0.97

00:08:42.000 can provide for the family. And now because she can't get the vaccine because of her autoimmune, 0.99

00:08:48.240 you know, disease, she's not able to continue her studies right now. And she was telling me she's

00:08:54.080 depressed. And many people have been saying that their mental health have suffered greatly, that she's

00:08:58.480 depressed, she's crying every day, she has no hope. And it's deeply concerning. We know that mental

00:09:03.520 health and suicide has increased dramatically over the last couple of years over this. And I'm deeply

00:09:08.720 worried reading some of the stories about younger people and older people suffering in light of all

00:09:14.080 this. I also heard people who didn't want to take the vaccine because of their concerns about how it

00:09:19.360 would affect them, but because they were forced to into doing so because of their jobs or school, they

00:09:24.560 ended up having really bad adverse reactions from it. And, you know, so the stories are very difficult to read.

00:09:31.360 Well, it's really excellent journalism that you're doing over there. And it's sort of surprising that

00:09:37.040 the legacy media doesn't do this kind of thing, because we don't we don't see any sympathy whatsoever.

00:09:41.120 In fact, we see the opposite, we see sort of drumming up negativity and demonization. Obviously,

00:09:46.960 we saw it a lot during election, we continue to see it. And it's just sort of, you know,

00:09:51.440 par for the course for the legacy media. What do you think it is about the media,

00:09:56.800 Samuel, that make them so one sided on this issue, you know, so relentless in their sort of badgering

00:10:03.680 that the Canadians must all do this, this thing. And just full disclosure, and viewers know this,

00:10:09.600 I'm vaccinated, I decided to do it mostly because I just wanted to get back to regular life. And even

00:10:14.560 after doing it, it's like, we're never going to get back to regular life. You know, we did this

00:10:19.280 because we were told that if we did it, you wouldn't have to wear a mask anymore, you could travel more

00:10:22.960 easily. That's not true, obviously. And now there's a new variant. And they're saying,

00:10:28.640 well, your old vaccine doesn't work anymore. With this new variants, you got to go out and get

00:10:32.880 more vaccines. It's like, this is never ended, right. But specifically back to the media, like,

00:10:38.000 can you can you can you help me? What do you think it is that makes the media in Canada so one sided on

00:10:43.920 this issue? Yeah, there are a number of reasons why. So full disclosure as well, too, I'm actually

00:10:49.760 unvaccinated. I actually have COVID right now. You already knew that. But I have COVID. I've been

00:10:54.480 taking something other than I am I'm not against the vaccine. I just don't think I need it. And

00:10:59.840 I'm on day seven of, you know, having COVID symptoms. And besides congesting, I'm okay,

00:11:05.920 I've been taking an alternative. You know, I'm taking vitamins and other things to help myself,

00:11:11.520 you know, to overcome COVID. But I say all that because the media really has become very,

00:11:17.440 very friendly with big government and big pharma. And they don't want to go against the narrative,

00:11:23.760 seemingly. So I think that's one. The other thing is, I think they don't want, because they're very

00:11:29.520 much pro vaccine, which again, I'm okay with someone being pro vaccine, that's no problem.

00:11:34.800 The problem is, I think, since they become so tied to the narrative, they're not willing to show the

00:11:41.280 other side, because if they show the other side, then some people might realize that wait a minute,

00:11:44.480 the vaccine is not the only way to survive against COVID. And I think that's one of the problems.

00:11:52.640 The other thing I think too, is if you show the other side, if they were to highlight some of the

00:11:59.920 stories that I'm highlighting, they would understand why the vaccine may not be the best option for

00:12:05.200 everybody. Because then you will see some of the real stories of people having really bad adverse

00:12:09.920 reactions from this, and they don't want to do that. So they rather ignore people like myself and

00:12:15.760 the others.

00:12:17.280 Well, I had an interview the other day, Samuel, and the subject said that, you know, a lot of this

00:12:22.960 stuff, they're proving the conspiracy theorists, right? And I feel like that's kind of the case

00:12:28.560 here. It's like, they hide stories. So if you get sick from COVID, that's news, right? If you die from

00:12:35.200 COVID, that's front page news. If you get sick from the vaccine, or if you die from the vaccine,

00:12:39.520 they bury that they don't want anyone knowing. And it's like, the more that you bury that, the more

00:12:43.360 people start to wonder, like, hey, what, why aren't we hearing about this? Why, what was with the

00:12:48.800 discrepancy, people start to sort of look into it and doubt it. And I feel like they create

00:12:53.280 conspiracy theorists, but then also just the way that the goalposts are constantly moving. And some of

00:12:59.040 the things that people were predicting a year ago, and you know, oh, we're still going to be locked down,

00:13:04.000 oh, there's going to be forced vaccines and mandates, people said, oh, that that's a conspiracy.

00:13:07.200 And now we're living it, right? It's like, this is like a, the slippery slope kind of argument. But

00:13:12.960 I mean, just, you know, and now the next, the next thing is little kids, little kids who

00:13:18.240 don't really have it, you know, don't really die from COVID. The hospitalization numbers are so

00:13:22.560 minuscule that the mobility, fatality, case fatality rate is basically nothing. And yet little

00:13:29.920 kids are getting vaccinated. I read now that they're talking about getting babies vaccinated.

00:13:33.520 It's against COVID, you know, something that doesn't really pose a mortal threat to them.

00:13:39.440 It's sort of bizarre. And I'm sure through your reporting,

00:13:42.320 you realize that the people who are choosing not to get vaccinated, it's not just because they're

00:13:47.040 crazy. It's because they have a health reason or they have a legitimate reason that's sort of being

00:13:52.480 ignored. So what is the sort of big takeaway from your project? You said that you did have

00:13:59.040 a positive sort of interaction with the Ontario government. That's good to hear. But

00:14:03.920 what was the sort of the big, the big takeaway for you from the project?

00:14:07.600 Yeah, the big takeaway, honestly, is more, more discussed with the media. To be honest with you,

00:14:13.840 one of the things that broke my heart more was that people were telling me, Sam, thank you for doing

00:14:18.880 this. Thank you. No one, we don't want anybody out there who's amplifying our voice. And I know there's

00:14:25.760 true north. I know you guys are doing a great job with all this stuff. But legacy media is completely

00:14:31.280 ignoring all of this. So I was just sad that we don't have more people in our nation that will give

00:14:38.000 them voice. Again, some of them wrote essays, essentially, because they were finally glad that

00:14:46.800 they could talk about this. And not just so that I could share it on my blog so that people could see

00:14:51.680 it, but that they knew that some people in the government would be finally able to hear them.

00:14:56.160 So that's the first thing that comes to mind for me. That's great. No, that's really important work.

00:15:01.760 And also to me, because like I said, I'm vaccinated, but I don't have the, I don't have the ideology

00:15:08.160 that everyone must. Like, I don't, you know, we were told you get vaccinated to protect yourself,

00:15:13.360 right? So then in theory, it shouldn't matter who around me is vaccinated or not because I'm

00:15:17.040 protected. Well, it turned out that wasn't really true because, you know, they were saying, well,

00:15:21.120 you know, you can still get COVID even though you're vaccinated. I think we have to have more

00:15:24.400 empathy and more understanding that there are different paths for different people. We don't

00:15:29.280 all have the same health. We don't have the same bodies. We don't have all the same, you know,

00:15:33.520 backgrounds and underlying issues and age. And there's so many variations among us that why should

00:15:39.040 there be a one size fits all policy, especially coming down heavy handed from the government? Some

00:15:44.160 of the negative effects that I read about and that I saw on your blog have to do with the healthcare

00:15:49.280 system. So even though Ontario doesn't have a vaccine mandate implemented for healthcare workers,

00:15:55.200 many hospitals do. So as a result, we've seen delayed surgeries. We've seen patients turned away.

00:16:01.600 We've seen healthcare workers fired. We've seen shortages of healthcare workers. We've seen emergency

00:16:06.640 rooms shut down. You know, our healthcare system is already fragile. It's already,

00:16:11.440 I think fundamentally flawed because of the sort of single payer state run centralization and not

00:16:19.440 enough money going into the system. What do you think of our healthcare system? Can it recover from

00:16:25.920 the effects of the vaccine mandate? And how long do you think these mandates will be in place?

00:16:30.720 I, you know, so I'm in the Peel region where every time I hear talk about, I hear talk about our

00:16:39.200 hospitals being overcrowded. I'm like, it's been overcrowded well before COVID. What are we talking

00:16:45.440 about? And this is, and this is very funny. This has been a major issue in the Peel region for some

00:16:50.080 time. Nevertheless, honestly, I said the very first, you know, within the first two weeks of the original,

00:16:58.880 the 15 days to sort of spread. Um, I mentioned that this is not going away anytime. Um, once you,

00:17:05.040 once we become so afraid that we give the government power, um, to protect us, um, from, from, uh, a virus,

00:17:14.320 we're in deep trouble. I knew that Ben, I knew that then in two years afterwards, we're still here.

00:17:18.880 Um, I have still heard, um, from credible people that there still might be lockdowns, uh, coming,

00:17:25.120 or at least most of your restrictions coming. Uh, and it seems like with the, the new variants,

00:17:29.600 um, there are, uh, it's become more and more legitimate over time. Uh, I don't, I don't,

00:17:34.400 unfortunately, I don't see this ending till well into maybe next year or early, um, early, uh, 20, um,

00:17:41.040 23. Uh, so I'm forgetting which, uh, these years, but I hope I'm wrong.

00:17:46.160 It's, it's all a blur, right? It's all a blur the whole, the last two years. Well, exactly. And,

00:17:50.480 and, you know, saying that kind of stuff two years ago would have gotten me called a conspiracy

00:17:54.240 theorist. And yet, uh, here we are two years in and you still have to wear a mask, uh, just to go

00:18:00.320 inside to get a coffee or to go on the subway or whatever. It's like, it doesn't, you're right.

00:18:04.880 The government got a little taste of the power and they're not going to easily let it go. Okay.

00:18:08.880 Well, final question for you, Samuel, what do you think Canadians can do? I mean,

00:18:12.640 there's a lot of people who refuse to get vaccinated. That's their prerogative, all the

00:18:16.080 power to them. Other Canadians that just want to get through the pandemic, they'll do anything just

00:18:20.960 to get through it. I, you know, to your point that we're giving the government so much power,

00:18:25.840 it's going to be hard to take it back or for them to relinquish it. What do you think the best

00:18:30.080 thing for Canadians to do in the face of all this? Uh, one of the most encouraging, um, things I,

00:18:36.160 I saw from the, um, the vaccine passport stories on my, on my blog is there were

00:18:42.480 a handful of vaccinated people, um, who were saying, look, they're vaccinated, they're pro the

00:18:49.440 vaccine, but they don't, they hate this vaccine, uh, these vaccine passport systems. So they were,

00:18:55.680 they refuse, um, to live as first class citizens in our country. And that blessed me so much. And I

00:19:02.240 think one of the things people can do is since most Canadians are vaccinated, reject these vaccine

00:19:07.760 mandates. Do not live as a first class citizen, because if you live as a first class citizen, 0.51

00:19:12.320 that means then that you are allowing second class citizens, uh, in your nation and don't do that.

00:19:17.120 If, if vaccinated people reject this system, then the system will collapse. They cannot, 0.83

00:19:21.920 then they can't do anything. So, um, that's what I, that's what I recommend for people to do.

00:19:26.400 That's great. And I, I just heard a story today about someone who did just that, that, that she was

00:19:32.000 going to the, going to the doctors, refused, even though she was vaccinated, refused to show her,

00:19:36.960 her card and said, no, I don't have to show it. I refuse. They said, no, you can't come in. She

00:19:41.840 goes, no, I know, I, I know my rights. I can come in and, and just completely refused. And part of the

00:19:46.640 reason why was because this person was, uh, you know, an immigrant from Eastern Europe and, and had

00:19:51.440 seen this, seen this movie before, and it didn't want to participate in a society that demanded to see

00:19:56.640 your papers just to go about your daily life. So, uh, Samuel, I think that's a great, very wise,

00:20:01.600 uh, good words of advice there. And thank you so much for joining the show, sharing, uh, your insight

00:20:06.320 and also just for undertaking this incredibly important, uh, work is sort of telling that,

00:20:12.080 that, that journalism like this isn't happening on the CBC. It's not happening in the mainstream.

00:20:16.000 It takes independent people like yourself to do it. And I definitely applaud you for, for taking this on.

00:20:21.200 Well, honestly, I'm just trying to follow, um, you know, your footsteps. Uh, I really appreciate

00:20:24.800 what True North does. So thank you so much. Oh, well, that's very kind. All right. Thank you so

00:20:29.600 much, Samuel, for joining. Thank you for tuning in. I'm Candace Malcolm, and this is The Candace Malcolm Show.

The Candice Malcolm Show - December 09, 2021

The one group of people Canadians openly discriminate against： the unvaccinated

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