The Candice Malcolm Show - The WOKE takeover of our schools. How it happened, and what we can do to fight back

00:00:00.000 I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show. Thank you so much for tuning in

00:00:10.080 today. We're going to take a little bit of a break from talking about politics and news

00:00:13.520 and talk more on the cultural front, talk about families and kids and education. So I've mentioned

00:00:18.520 this on the podcast before, but I love summer and I'm a huge proponent of getting kids outside

00:00:23.920 in nature. So one of the things my family and I do is the kids take part in the Thousand Hour

00:00:29.580 challenge. I try to make sure that they spend 1,000 hours per year outside, which boils down

00:00:35.220 to a little less than three hours per day. It's a lot easier in the summer. So you kind

00:00:40.060 of have to bank up your time, spend more time outside in the summer so that you can get away

00:00:44.060 with less time during the winter, but especially for boys. I have a six-year-old son and him

00:00:49.720 and I love to get outside and I'm a firm believer in boys being able to move, being able to be

00:00:54.700 boys, run around, be rambunctious. A friend of mine was actually at our Canada Day party,

00:01:00.160 told me about a study that she had read and I looked into this afterwards, that boys need

00:01:04.200 about two hours of strenuous exercise. And they've done tests on this and found that when boys and

00:01:10.160 especially young boys, but also all the way up to teenagers, when they're spending that much time

00:01:14.400 outside running around engaging in strenuous exercise, their attention improves, their test scores

00:01:20.320 improve. So if you give a boy a math test and get his score, and then you take that same boy the

00:01:25.200 next day, you get him to run around outside for two hours and give him the same math test,

00:01:28.520 he'll actually perform better the second time. And so we do. My son and I, most mornings we go out,

00:01:34.900 we live near a forest and we go to the trailhead. We'll do sometimes five mile walks, eight kilometers.

00:01:41.340 And my son loves it. He just loves being outside in nature. And I think part of the problem with

00:01:46.000 modern day schools really is that they try to make every child the same, right? They try to make

00:01:52.620 every child fit in the same box. They act, they treat boys sometimes like they're dysfunctional

00:01:58.240 girls because they don't have the same attention span. They can't sit still. It's not that they're 0.99

00:02:02.000 not learning. They just don't learn the same way. And for me, I have so many problems with the

00:02:06.480 education system. My kids don't go to schools. They don't go to traditional schools at all. Granted,

00:02:11.320 they're young. I have a one-year-old, three-year-old, a four-and-a-half-year-old,

00:02:14.680 six-year-old. So they're, they're all quite young. But for now, the way to go for me certainly

00:02:20.280 is homeschooling. Not everybody has that option. Obviously not everybody has the option

00:02:25.340 to avoid public schools. But it's really interesting. And I saw this in the hub earlier

00:02:31.080 this week. And so I wanted to invite the author on Ginny Roth. But she did a deep dive into Ontario, 1.00

00:02:38.400 the growth in independent schools in the province versus the growth in public schools. So this is

00:02:44.020 really interesting. From 2013 to 2023, the cumulative percentage of change in Ontario public

00:02:49.100 school enrollment was just 1.2%, right? And meanwhile, there was a 22% cumulative growth

00:02:55.320 in Ontario independent schools. So imagine the population growth and increase in population over

00:03:01.100 the past decade. And yet public school system enrollment has remained relatively flat. And

00:03:07.120 you know, anecdotally, so many of the parents that I talked to, public school is just not an option.

00:03:12.200 Given the total woke takeover of the schools, given the agenda that has been inserted in, you know,

00:03:20.320 it's not just pushing sort of the worst of the woke cultural movement onto children. But I mean,

00:03:29.480 there's just, there's just so many problems. And I'm sure we'll get to a bunch of those. So I want

00:03:32.460 to introduce Ginny. Ginny is a partner at Crestview Strategy. She advises clients on public affairs and

00:03:37.620 government relations. She also served as the director of communication for Pierre Polyev's

00:03:41.040 successful conservative leadership campaign. So Ginny, welcome to the podcast. Thank you so much for

00:03:46.180 joining us. Thanks, Candice. It's nice to be here. So tell us about this piece you wrote,

00:03:51.140 Why Ontario Needs Independent Schools. You had a co-author here, and you're sort of talking about how

00:03:59.500 Ontario, unlike many other provinces in Canada, doesn't offer parents the same kind of choice.

00:04:05.960 So why don't you walk us through your argument?

00:04:08.500 Sure. Yeah. So I should also give credit to my co-author, Brian Dykema. He and the people at

00:04:13.240 Cardus, which is a think tank in Canada, have done a lot of work, like a lot of the research work that

00:04:17.860 underpins this argument was done by Cardus. So people should check them out if they're interested

00:04:22.200 in learning more. And our premise was basically our own sort of surprise at how in almost every

00:04:30.380 other province in Canada, there's some element of school choice. And by that, we mean there's some

00:04:36.240 evenness to the playing field when it comes to independent schools and public schools.

00:04:42.340 That includes in, you know, NDP-governed British Columbia. People, I think, know about school choice

00:04:47.900 in Alberta, but really provinces across the country, most of them have this option. In Ontario,

00:04:53.520 we do not. We have a public system that is totally funded by the state and run by the state.

00:04:59.780 We also have a Catholic system, which is sort of weird to have one religion represented and

00:05:04.840 completely funded by the state. And then when it comes to independent schools, whether it's a religious

00:05:11.180 school, a niche like a nature school or something like that, that's appealing to a specific type of

00:05:16.740 parental preference or a private school, expensive private school, most of which are in Toronto and

00:05:23.900 the surrounding area, they all are kind of on their own. There's, they're regulated in some ways by the

00:05:28.880 province, but not much. And the only way that parents can opt into that is if they can afford to.

00:05:35.080 Now, to your point about the increase in interest in independent schools, there are a lot of independent

00:05:40.560 schools that are trying everything in their power to make it an option for parents. So a lot of the

00:05:45.680 smaller independent schools, especially the religious ones, have programs for lower income

00:05:50.080 students and families to be able to attend. And they truly try to find ways to make it affordable

00:05:56.340 and keep costs down. And so it's interesting, because the fact that there's so much interest,

00:06:01.080 even despite the fact that it's hard to attain, if you don't have extra money to spend on schooling,

00:06:07.120 that tells me that if there was a way to even the playing field a little bit,

00:06:10.260 you know, for instance, if the per student amount, the province is spending on education could just

00:06:16.480 follow the student to their school of choice, I think you would just see a massive uptick in uptake.

00:06:22.520 And I could say my family is an example of that. I have a son in the Toronto District School

00:06:27.780 Board. He's in junior kindergarten. We're doing okay, but we have really expensive childcare costs,

00:06:33.860 because I also have a toddler. And we don't, we don't, we're not really members of a faith

00:06:37.820 community. So we don't really have an option when it comes to a religious school. And so

00:06:42.080 we're kind of stuck with the private system. You know, if we were in Alberta, I would be sending

00:06:46.140 my son to a classical school for sure. But we don't have classical school in Ontario. It's too bad.

00:06:51.320 It's interesting that you write in your piece that the average private school tuition in Ontario is

00:06:56.980 something around $13,000, which, you know, just the cost of it, right, if you were to get a bill for

00:07:01.860 that much, it's more than most families can handle. And yet for so many people, especially my generation,

00:07:07.200 your generation, it's like, they're so used to paying for some kind of a daycare, because most

00:07:12.060 moms do work. And daycares or a nanny or whatever it is that you choose to do, are so much more 0.99

00:07:19.160 expensive than that, right? Like many people are paying thousands of dollars a month to have that

00:07:24.120 option. And so if you're used to that, and you budget that in when the child is young, you can

00:07:29.580 continue to pay that. Although of course, if you have multiple kids like you do, and I do,

00:07:33.380 it becomes a lot more, a lot steeper. I want to sort of rewind a little bit and just talk about

00:07:40.820 perhaps the reason, like, like, why is it that the enrollment in public schools is basically flat?

00:07:46.940 I mean, I know it. And this is a conversation that comes up with almost every mom I speak to in

00:07:51.380 Ontario. It's like, what has happened to the schools in Ontario, right? It's been a total woke

00:07:56.880 takeover. Not just the idea that teaching children that boys can be girls and girls can be boys,

00:08:02.740 but also teaching them that Canada is an irredeemably racist country, that white people 0.91

00:08:08.000 are oppressors, that so much of your life is determined by immutable characteristics like

00:08:13.680 your race and gender. It seems to just be so overwhelmingly steeped into the curriculum.

00:08:18.760 On top of that, you can add in sort of a fanaticism around science and climate science in particular.

00:08:23.420 It seems to me that the curriculum in Ontario has become militantly woke. And I do not understand

00:08:30.440 how this has happened under a conservative government. I mean, Doug Ford in part was elected

00:08:35.800 because Canadians and people in Ontario were fed up with Fulton McGinty and Kathleen Wynne in part

00:08:41.860 because they imposed a sex education curriculum that the parents were very uncomfortable with.

00:08:46.980 And so I remember Doug Ford campaigning, saying, we're going to get this stuff out of the

00:08:51.100 classrooms, right? And so a lot of us put faith in the conservative government to fix this problem.

00:08:56.580 And instead, it's like the exact opposite has happened. And things have gotten so bad

00:09:00.200 that, you know, you have to like kind of pre-teach your children or warn them to block out a lot of

00:09:07.540 messages that they're going to receive if they do go to public school. And so many people I know just

00:09:11.140 refuse to put their children into the schools. But I mean, you work in public affairs. Can you help us

00:09:16.800 understand, help the audience understand, like how does this happen? Yeah. So first of all, I'd add a

00:09:21.220 few things to that list. Like you're talking about cultural and social issues, and those are really

00:09:24.400 important because these years are so formative and kids are spending so many hours in school.

00:09:29.620 But there's also this question of like math and pedagogy and how math is taught and whether

00:09:34.860 rote timetable and repetition and the things that we know work to teach kids math are emphasized

00:09:40.900 enough in the curriculum. Reading. If your parents don't read to you, if you're a lower income kid,

00:09:45.820 you depend on learning how to read in school. The idea that phonics isn't as prominent as it

00:09:50.900 used to be in the curriculum, like proven methods for teaching kids to read. Just the basics, right?

00:09:55.760 Forget about all the extra woke stuff, which is equally concerning. Like the government's like,

00:10:00.000 I think, tried to take really, really small steps on that front because to your point,

00:10:04.200 the public demands it. So they've tried to bring back some basic math curriculum. They've tried to

00:10:10.360 limit phone use in schools, which I think is also a real concern for parents.

00:10:13.800 But it's, they're kind of half measures. And I think that is a good hint about what's going on here.

00:10:20.260 There are institutions and they're all dominated by left-wing opinions and left-wing voices that

00:10:27.080 have more sway in the school system in Ontario than parents do. Certainly the teachers unions,

00:10:32.820 but also public servants in the Ontario Ministry of Education. I think one of the biggest offenders

00:10:38.860 here is OISE, the biggest teachers' college in Ontario that's teaching, that's identifying which

00:10:44.700 teachers, which people to train to be teachers and then training them to be teachers and how to be

00:10:49.260 teachers in pedagogy. And all of those institutions and environments are also the boards. You know,

00:10:56.700 to give the Ontario government a bit of credit, they've taken over a few boards because their

00:11:01.340 offences are so egregious that even this government couldn't sort of stand by. So all of these

00:11:07.020 institutional forces at play resist the kind of reform and priorities that you and I are talking

00:11:14.000 about. And not only that, they propagate and promote, whether you want to call it woke or sort of like

00:11:22.540 morally relativist or left-wing or whatever you want to describe it, those values, that content of

00:11:29.420 that curriculum, that those methods of teaching are all missions for these people who are in these

00:11:35.340 positions of power. And I think to push back on that, to resist would take a really, really strong

00:11:40.780 government that wants to burn political capital potentially and get, you know, negative media

00:11:45.700 stories written about them. And so there are downsides to that. And governments need to get re-elected. 0.94

00:11:49.900 That's part of their mission. And so you have to balance your ability to get re-elected and

00:11:56.140 to withstand political pressure with what you want to advance. And ultimately, if these education

00:12:01.340 reforms fall down the priority list, they just become not worth the fight, let's say. So I think

00:12:06.380 that's a lot of the rationale. And they have pursued some reforms where they felt like it was worth the

00:12:11.980 fight, whether it's on some of the math curriculum or limiting phones in schools. But pushing those reforms

00:12:19.180 further and tackling some of the other big items that we've talked about, I think, have just been

00:12:23.500 deemed to be not a high enough priority and not worth the political risk.

00:12:27.340 Well, I suppose it's a failing of people like me. Like, I mean, we need to make them a bigger priority

00:12:32.620 and a bigger issue so that Ontario Conservatives know that, you know, parents aren't happy, right?

00:12:38.380 Parents are very dissatisfied with the current state of things. And Jenny, I'll even expand it,

00:12:43.900 right? Because, yeah, I agree that so much of it is just, you know, activists that take over these

00:12:50.540 boards and have an outsized influence. But this also happens on the private side as well, particularly

00:12:55.900 in some of those elite schools. I know of, again, so many parents who have older children,

00:13:01.500 and they tell me, Candace, if my children were your children's age, I would never put them in 0.95

00:13:06.380 one of these schools, like Upper Canada College or Bishop Strong or, I mean, any of them,

00:13:12.300 Braggson Hall. I mean, sometimes we see sort of viral social media posts by someone like Jonathan Kaye

00:13:18.460 pointing out how these all-girls schools are promoting the fact that only 75 percent of their

00:13:24.460 student body identifies as girls, right? Or trying to push, you know, trans girls or, you know, 0.99

00:13:31.180 biological boys into girls schools and vice versa. I mean, so much of it seems to just be like a 1.00

00:13:37.740 cultural contagion that's happening, particularly around Toronto. I don't know if it's happening

00:13:44.060 as badly in other parts of the country, perhaps Vancouver. What can parents do to push back

00:13:49.660 against this at their other kids' schools? I think they have to have louder voices, right? We have no,

00:13:55.980 we have no special interest group representing parents. It doesn't really exist.

00:13:59.020 And most parents are busy, so they have concerns and they just don't, they're not equipped to give

00:14:05.740 voice to them. They, there's no organization to represent them. There are no activists channeling

00:14:10.620 their voices into high impact advertising or media stories or any of the kinds of things that put

00:14:17.180 pressure on governments. And if parents want to have impact, they have to have, they have to have that

00:14:22.460 voice. And so, you know, I think you are trying to do your part, Candace, and media institutions that

00:14:27.500 try to give voice to the other side of the story and to give voice to those parents are crucial.

00:14:33.580 You know, this is partially why we wrote this, why Brian and I wrote this op-ed, was to try to kind

00:14:37.180 of advance this message. And I will say we got a lot of engagement on it and interest. So I think

00:14:42.220 that speaks to this kind of like latent public opinion that maybe has not had a voice. But parents

00:14:49.260 have to activate. They should vote with their feet where they can. For those who can afford

00:14:53.420 independent schools, you know, they are. Right? I think that's another thing that happens

00:14:57.660 is there's less pushback on the public curriculum because the people who are frustrated with it try

00:15:01.340 to opt out if at all possible. So there's almost this like built-in challenge that as the more fed

00:15:06.540 up you get, the more you're likely to opt out and therefore kind of give up the fight

00:15:10.220 on making the change. And so it's challenging. But I think parents will ultimately prioritize

00:15:21.100 the education of their kids if they can. And if they have the opportunity to have a voice,

00:15:25.180 they should speak up. And they should apply pressure locally too. Parents who push back on

00:15:29.820 principals and teachers often get heard. And so it's worth it. It's worth it to speak up.

00:15:35.900 I 100% agree. I want to pick up on one of the things you said, which is about how parents often

00:15:42.700 opt out. So if you're fed up with the school system, you might just decide to pull your child,

00:15:47.020 which is then one fewer family advocating for the kinds of sensible changes. I want to shift the

00:15:52.060 conversation a little bit on that note, because I recently had lunch with a few Jewish friends in

00:15:56.860 Toronto. And to me, that's like a whole different level to the crisis in education for our Jewish

00:16:04.060 friends and neighbors. And that is that there has been a total wave of anti-Semitism in Canada post

00:16:09.660 October 7th. I mean, it's wild to think that a terrorist attack where Jewish families were

00:16:14.060 murdered in their houses and in their beds would lead to hatred against Jews in Canada. And yet here

00:16:19.100 we are and it's happened. And I have personal friends who are Jewish in Toronto who have decided to

00:16:24.220 not just pull their children out of the school system, but leave Canada, actually leave the country

00:16:28.220 because they feel so unsafe. And I heard, and I saw a Twitter thread from an individual,

00:16:33.100 I don't know this person, his name's Michael Sachs, but he wrote a thread which really resonated with

00:16:37.900 me partially because I've heard the story from other Jewish friends. I'm going to read part

00:16:41.020 of this thread. He says, after 30 years as a proud Canadian citizen, a diehard Canucks fan,

00:16:45.580 and someone who's deeply loved this country, I've made the hardest decision of my life. I've moved my

00:16:49.020 family forward to the United States. I want to be clear about this decision. It wasn't made lightly,

00:16:52.940 and I never imagined leaving our community, our family, our friends, and yet here we are.

00:16:57.260 It comes after years of watching the country I love erode into something unrecognizable. Now,

00:17:02.140 he talks about a few of the issues that I think we can all relate to that became sort of political

00:17:06.940 issues during the recent election campaign. Cost of living, our cities are in crisis. He's talking

00:17:12.220 about fentanyl and crime and just drug overdoses, homelessness. But then he goes on to sort of talk

00:17:19.820 more specifically about the Jewish community. He says, Canada's Jewish community expected solidarity

00:17:25.180 after October 7th, and instead we got gaslighting. Synagogues were vandalized, schools were shot at,

00:17:30.860 Jewish teachers intimidated, Jewish employees abused in their workplaces, union members treated

00:17:35.020 like second-class citizens, rallies glorifying terrorism have been allowed to take place in our 0.88

00:17:39.820 neighborhoods, at our places of worship, while Jewish students have had to fight for their basic

00:17:44.300 right in public schools. I've received multiple death threats over the years advocating for my community.

00:17:49.100 I mean, this is like a very real concern for people. You know, this individual was in Vancouver.

00:17:54.620 I'm sure it's bad there. It's also really bad in Toronto where, you know, having a Jewish identity 1.00

00:18:00.060 has been flipped into being a colonialist and somehow someone who advocates for genocide or something.

00:18:07.260 And I mean, the fact that, again, this is happening in Canada and it like barely makes the news,

00:18:13.020 Ginny. I'm wondering if you've observed this, you've heard about this as well and what you make of it.

00:18:18.780 I have observed it. I, like you, I have close personal friends who are thinking of literally

00:18:22.940 moving out of the country that they grew up in because they just can't imagine allowing their kids

00:18:29.580 to be raised in this type of environment. And there are all kinds of reports. There was a report

00:18:34.380 recently. I think it was, it came out yesterday or the day before. And one of the anecdotes was

00:18:38.700 that a young girl was told she was only half human by her teacher because she's Jewish.

00:18:44.940 That is wild to me. I, you know, if you told me that when I was young, I just wouldn't believe

00:18:49.580 that that would be possible in Canada. And so, yeah, I think this goes back to what we were talking

00:18:55.180 about earlier. Whether it has to do with the curriculum, the people who are crafting it

00:19:00.140 in the public service or the teachers who are promoting it and how they are taught in teachers

00:19:04.540 college. Like there is a worldview that is highly dominant, that is radical and not of all mainstream,

00:19:11.660 that inflects those institutions, that teaches that the world is divisible into the oppressed and

00:19:18.860 the oppressors and that Jewish people are oppressors and that therefore they need to be silenced or put 0.99

00:19:24.380 down. And it is like, it is toxic. It's not reflective of what most parents want for their

00:19:29.100 kids, forget whether or not they're Jewish. And I worry that not only is it impacting the kids in 0.80

00:19:35.020 school today, it's impacting like the future generations who are going to be taught in this

00:19:39.740 worldview, potentially in contradiction to what their parents are teaching them at home.

00:19:45.020 And so, yeah, I think so many things, you could write a whole other column about curriculum reform

00:19:50.220 and pedagogical reform and expectations for districts and teachers specifically and discipline

00:19:58.780 for teachers. There's not a lot of accountability in the teaching profession. You know, most people,

00:20:03.180 if they fail their jobs, they get fired, they make less money. That's obviously not true of teachers in

00:20:07.260 the public system. So it's too bad that we weren't able to approach a lot of those topics in the

00:20:13.500 op-ed. Maybe we need to write another one because I share your concern. And there's so many different

00:20:20.540 ways to go about fixing it. Our op-ed is just like a drop in the bucket.

00:20:24.940 Well, yeah, no, it's definitely interesting. I think that the cultural Marxism, the sort of idea that

00:20:29.500 there's oppressors and oppressed. And it is funny because I was talking to these Jewish friends and

00:20:33.580 you know, they were rehashing some of the same concerns that were raised in this Twitter thread.

00:20:39.660 And it's like, you know, they were like, Candace, how would you feel if your identity was politicized

00:20:45.580 and that, you know, just being proud of who you are would be considered racist? And, you know, or the

00:20:51.020 synagogues being targeted. And I said, well, you know, that that has happened to Canadians, right? True 1.00

00:20:56.060 North has been at the forefront of reporting the fact that there have been 118 Christian churches

00:21:01.500 vandalized or burned down since the unmarked grave story came out in 2021. And yes, being a proud

00:21:07.500 English Canadian, or being proud of your race is certainly considered to be racist in Canada. So in

00:21:14.780 some ways, the issues that are facing the Jewish community are the same issues that English Canadians

00:21:20.060 have been facing for years as well. And, you know, I think that the problem is getting worse. And if we

00:21:25.180 don't stand up and fight against it, I mean, rather than picking up and leaving, I think it is better

00:21:30.460 probably to stay and fight. But I think that a lot of it does have to do with what you're saying, like

00:21:34.860 basic curriculum reform and not allowing the radicals to write the narrative and to write

00:21:40.460 the agenda for what children are taught just as like basic truths. What do you think?

00:21:45.820 Yeah, I totally agree. I think like so many with so many issues, giving voice to an organized

00:21:53.580 perspective that represents how average people feel is the way to try to find a solution to this.

00:22:01.340 You know, it's too bad because I think Pierre Polyev was making a lot of headway connecting with like

00:22:08.540 regular common sense Canadians about this kind of thing, more as it concerns public policy at the

00:22:14.060 federal level. And he won millions of votes on that basis. But because of Donald Trump and all sorts of

00:22:20.780 other circumstances, he didn't have the mandate to kind of to win and kind of bring that change to

00:22:26.380 federal departments, how universities are funded, etc. And because of the Canada US dynamics,

00:22:34.940 a lot of those issues have been like put on the back burner. And I don't know that Prime Minister

00:22:38.620 Mark Carney has had to address them. But they're still there, they're still simmering. And when you talk

00:22:44.780 to regular Canadians about these kinds of things, like they connect with it. And I think maybe this is like,

00:22:49.740 if we want to have a hopeful note, I don't think that these radical opinions and people

00:22:56.940 represent the mainstream. I just I really don't. They just have disproportionate power in our

00:23:01.740 institutions. And so any young person who has this common sense view who is able to make a difference

00:23:08.060 in an institution should do it. They should seek to like gather power and influence and continue to

00:23:15.180 sort of preach that common sense message. And I think in politics, we have to have a lot of

00:23:19.900 confidence that when we talk about these things, they resonate, even if there are nasty op eds written

00:23:24.140 about it in the government funded mainstream news. That doesn't mean that that reflects public

00:23:30.300 opinion. In fact, I think this kind of thing really does resonate with the average person in the general

00:23:34.380 public. And so we have to like take comfort in that and, you know, get some strength from it.

00:23:38.860 I completely agree. I think, well, I mean, you can look at public opinion studies, like only maybe 30%

00:23:44.620 of Canadians believe the narrative that Canada is like an irredeemably racist country or that somehow

00:23:49.660 we're settlers in someone else's country. I mean, 30% is a lot. But it's there's a clear majority that

00:23:56.300 oppose that kind of thinking. And I think you're right. Like, you know, I often feel like I'm swimming

00:24:01.820 upstream in the culture because I'm pushing back against so many things at once. And I think that there

00:24:06.780 is a cultural tipping point some sometime in 2023 or 2024, maybe, where all of a sudden,

00:24:12.700 all of my peers and friends of friends and people I know, like, would kind of quietly be like,

00:24:16.460 oh, I totally agree with you on this stuff. Like the transept has gone way too far.

00:24:19.820 The land acknowledgement stuff is just rolling your eyes at it. Like, and I do think that Poliev

00:24:25.020 was successfully able to pick up on that as unfortunate. And it shows you the power of the

00:24:29.660 propagandistic media in Canada that they have to just flip the switch on the election say,

00:24:34.700 oh, all of your problems have disappeared. And now let's focus the election on

00:24:38.460 US President Donald Trump, instead of all of the cultural issues that we're fighting day in and

00:24:43.020 day out. Ginny, I really appreciate your time and your insight. Thank you so much for joining the

00:24:46.300 podcast. Thanks, Candice. All right, that is Ginny Roth from Crestview Strategy. Folks,

00:24:51.900 that's all the time we have for today. Thanks so much for tuning in. I'm Candice Malcolm.

00:24:54.460 This is the Candice Malcolm Show. Thank you and God bless.

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The Candice Malcolm Show - July 17, 2025

The WOKE takeover of our schools. How it happened, and what we can do to fight back

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