Toronto AS DANGEROUS as Iraq + RCMP & CBC agree that “traditional values” are radical and extremist
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Ron Chinzer joins the show to talk about the growing problem of violent crime in the GTA, including the acquittals of a teen who claimed self-defence in a fatal Toronto school shooting, and a man who said he felt like he was in a third-world country.
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Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.
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A little later in the episode, I'm going to play an outrageous clip that has been going
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viral online of an RCMP staff sergeant on the CBC talking about extremism.
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She literally uses the example of someone who might be becoming extreme by saying someone
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So having traditional values, according to the RCMP and according to the CBC, makes
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But first, I'm very pleased today to be joined by a new guest on the program and a new face
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Ron is the host of our new show called The Crime Report, which airs every Friday here
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So Ron was the conservative candidate in Oakville East during the recent 2025 federal election
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Unfortunately, he did not win his seat, but their loss is our victory because he has now
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He's a former police officer with more than 20 years of law experience in law enforcement,
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specializing in gang prevention and organized crime.
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So he's a perfect person to be talking about the absolute crisis of violent crime, of home
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invasions, of carjacking, just out of control, third world crime that is happening in Toronto.
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It happens now in places like Calgary, Vancouver, Montreal, but Toronto is sort of ground zero
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Like we're normalizing the idea that, hey, in Canada, sometimes violent thugs just break
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into your house in the middle of the night, hold you and your family hostage and steal
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And I cannot believe that it was not a bigger issue in the recent election.
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But anyway, Ron, very pleased to have you on the show.
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Very pleased to have you joining us with Juno News and welcome to the show.
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So the story that I want to talk to you about first is the story that broke out of Toronto
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So a jury has acquitted a teen who claimed self-defense in a fatal Toronto school shooting,
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saying he carried a gun because his neighborhood, which is Scarborough, which is a part of Toronto,
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So a jury found on Friday that this 20-year-old man who's 20 years old, he was accused of
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He claimed that the victim was 18-year-old Jefferson Gurrier, was lunging at him with a
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And so this young man, whose name is concealed because he was a minor during the time of the
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incident, pulled out a gun and shot him four times, killing him.
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And so the fact that a jury in Canada buys a story that, hey, you know, Toronto is kind
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We've let in so many people from so many different backgrounds who don't have any respect for
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So our city now feels like a third-world war zone.
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So I'm just wondering if we can get your thoughts on this story, Ron.
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This and my thoughts are going to be similar to anybody else who probably read this and looked
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If you look at what's been happening in the GTA and the rest of the country, but let's
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just hammer down the GTA over the last couple of years.
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This is where, you know, even when I read this, I was confused because it doesn't set a solid
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On one hand, you have people defending their homes and their families getting charged in
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And these are normal, innocent people, by the way.
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And then on the other hand, you have within the same month, a jury acquitting somebody who
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had said, look, I had to defend myself because my neighborhood in Toronto reminded me of
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And that is telling because if somebody who grew up in a, you know, third-world potential
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conflict zone started to recognize that within our streets in the city of Toronto, being the
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largest municipality in the country, that says a lot more than I think we're giving credit
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It's unbelievable that we are dealing with this crime crisis in Toronto where you have
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There was a couple examples of cases where people weren't initially charged.
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There's a, I'm thinking of a story, Milton, Ontario, back in July 23, murder charges were
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dropped against a Milton, Ontario man who shot and killed a home intruder.
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You know, someone comes into your house and is armed and you shoot them in self-defense.
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But back to the Toronto case in the Toronto story.
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So this caused a lot of concern for parents, moms in Toronto thinking, you know, I'm sending
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You kind of assume that they're going to be safe, that there's not going to be guns and
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And yet, I mean, clearly the jury believed this man's story.
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Just to clarify, he's still facing illegal firearm charges.
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He remains in custody and returns to court next week to address the remaining firearm charges.
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So it's not a full acquittal at this point, but still, I kind of wondered about the precedent,
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So if you're allowed to carry a gun, are you allowed to carry a concealed weapon now in
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I mean, if this young man was acquitted, clearly a jury believes that Toronto is now so unsafe
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that one needs to carry, you know, not just a weapon in your home to protect yourself
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from potential invaders, but a concealed weapon that you would even bring to a school.
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I mean, does this form any sort of precedent and what do you make of that?
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I think there's a couple of precedents that it sets here.
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I think the first thing being that, you know, first off, whenever there's a jury trial or
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So that's up to the accused person to decide, are we going to go by a trial by a judge, which
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is going to be a very technical trial, or are we going to go by jury where we think we
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have a better chance of convincing them of the situation that we're in being, can I put a jury
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member into the position that I'm in and would that jury say, well, you know what, in that
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You know, I can remember being a police officer earlier on when all these crime shows used
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to come out and all these crime shows, they would find a piece of glass and they'd analyze
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it in forensics and they'd tell you to make and model and speed and all these things you
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But we would go to trials and we'd have juries and defense lawyers saying, well, there was
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no DNA, there was no evidence, regardless of this person being known to police, caught
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on video, other evidence of the scene, the community and the jury would always ask for
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things that sometimes they would see in movies.
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And in this particular case, you know, the other part of this that's interesting to me
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on the outer layer is what's changed in our culture and our community now as a society
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where for some people, we can put ourselves in their shoes like this and say, yes, you were
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You said you felt unsafe in your neighborhood and somebody lunged at you allegedly, according
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to this article, and you decided to respond with shooting and killing them ultimately.
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I mean, add on to that, that there were other students nearby that the accused shooter was
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The other person apparently was a bully, his bully, who tormented this young man.
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And he, so he shot and killed him in the schoolyard, just outside in a parking lot, which again,
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And it becomes, you know, well, what's the repercussion for this type of behavior?
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We all send our kids to school under the guise and under the, the true responsibility at the
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school, you're going to do everything in the best interest of my kid, especially when
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And most of us parents in Canada, you know, one income is not enough.
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So realistically, most people I speak to, like all my friends, once our kids are at school,
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we have this blind trust that they're going to be safe there.
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We have this blind trust that they're going to be reasonable.
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But when you see this happening, especially in places like Toronto on the outskirts, again,
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And this is where we talk about ideologies, you know, Toronto got rid of school officers
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back in like 2015 because they said it was racist and they said it was, it was not
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The reason I bring that up was this happened in a school.
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We have a jury now who's, who's probably changed their mind and their culture on a
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And then you have, uh, you know, now, now law enforcement now is being told, come back
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And I think this is where most reasonable people see these results and they start asking
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themselves, well, I've been asking for months, where is the clarity on how I can defend
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Meanwhile, something in your face caught on camera where the person isn't really saying I
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And that's where most normal, good people who don't get a gun to protect themselves
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illegally are saying, guys, where is the lines here?
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And this is where you have what I feel like is sometimes a two tier justice system.
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I mean, especially given that presumably this firearm was not legally acquired.
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I want to go down memory lane a little bit, just three years ago, a trigger warning to the
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I'm going to play a clip of former prime minister, Justin Trudeau here.
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He was on a podcast and he told us that in Canada, you cannot use a gun for self-defense.
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We have a culture where the difference is guns can be used for hunting or for sport
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And there are lots of gun owners and they're mostly law respecting and law abiding.
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But you can't use a gun for self-protection in Canada.
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That's not a right that you have in the Constitution or anywhere else.
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Import the third world, gut our justice system, make our cities incredibly unsafe, and then
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go out there and tell Canadians, oh, by the way, that gun that you have, we're going to
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And you don't have the right to defend yourself if someone is invading your house or in this
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case of this young man in Toronto who was lunging at you with a knife, according to our former
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prime minister there, you don't have self-defense.
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I mean, to me, this is like how to destroy a country in three easy steps.
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But I wonder what Justin Trudeau would say about this current case and a young man who
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presumably came to Canada under Justin Trudeau's watch.
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He feels like the country he came to is more like Iraq than the Canada that you and I grew
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Likely, he would pivot back to this young man, this 17-year-old who grew up in such a
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And what are all the things that we could have offered this person so this never happened?
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Which is, look, it's a conversation that should be had.
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But again, he's not looking at the most obvious of things here.
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You know, when you have, in this particular case here, this young person who murdered another
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young person, they had an illegal firearm with one specific purpose and one intent, to protect
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Now, let's take a look at law-abiding firearm owners in the country.
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They get routine background checks on a daily basis with the purpose of other things.
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They have the guns for hunting, for sports shooting, their collectibles.
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And then here you have somebody who got an illegal gun, allegedly, for one specific purpose,
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And they were found not guilty of a serious crime being murdered.
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And this is, again, where you have this two-tiered system of two perspectives.
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Now, look, you can have anything with you and not have it for a purpose of having it self-defense.
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So, for example, you can walk around the streets with a knife on you.
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But if you get stopped by police and you say, yes, I have this knife on me because I use it
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to cut my apples or cut my oranges, that's not illegal.
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If you say, I have this with me because it's for self-protection and for self-defense,
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Now you're stuck and you're going to get charged with it.
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There is no logical reason for a 17-year-old to have a firearm with them at school.
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Number one, how did you get access to this firearm?
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If you have it loaded, ready to go, and you're saying it's for my defense and you're in a
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school setting, that has to be heightened and amplified to be like, well, what's the bigger
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And then what is the net outcome if we don't find a guilty plea?
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But this is probably why they went by way of jury.
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The jury doesn't understand the technicalities.
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They're going to go on an emotional lens of, let me paint a picture of this poor kid in
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this environment, which look, I'm sure it's a tough environment, but we have to look at
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He killed somebody and he had a weapon for one single purpose, unlike most lawful gun
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Well, I think I speak for so many parents in the GTA, Ron, when I say that the complete
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crime crisis that we're experiencing is terrifying.
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There's several other social media influencers who are constantly sharing clips of home invasions,
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people breaking into someone's house in the middle of the night, presumably trying to
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It's unbelievable this happens in our country, in Canada.
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You were talking to me a bit off air about why this is happening, what's led to it.
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And one of the things that I want to highlight to the audience is the fact that we just don't
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have laws on the books to deal with this kind of thing.
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If someone breaks into someone's home and holds the family hostage, it basically gets
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treated as like a property crime, almost like a slap on the wrist, which is so unconscionable.
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So maybe you can just sort of walk us through what's happening and what you think can be
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So what's happening is this is the evolution of crime.
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It's what is the path of least resistance funny enough to be able to get the biggest outcome.
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So in this particular case, COVID happens, everybody gets locked in at home, mental health crisis,
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Drugs have to come from someplace, generally organized crime delivered by street level gangs.
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And then when gangs are dealing drugs, they have to defend their territory, which brings
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in a demand for firearms from the US because they got to defend it.
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Well, drug dealing became so dangerous in the GTA and the rest of the country that some
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They took some, you know, YouTube classes or whatever.
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Well, as the tech guys were stealing cars off of driveways using Bluetooth technology, the
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real hardened gang members and the real violent people started to realize dealing drugs is
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I'm going to pivot over to what they're doing, but I don't care for the tech.
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I'm going to go straight to home invasion style.
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Initially it was pickup trucks, you know, certain midsize SUVs, some cars getting stolen because
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These are all targeted people and they get surveilled, whether from a mall or a movie theater
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These violent guys will come in generally around four o'clock in the morning, smash in the
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front door with either firearms or hammer, immediately go to the master bedroom, hold
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up the family hostage, not only now still in the cars, but other valuables like purses,
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watches, and then they leave and they just leave a wake of violence in the past and they're
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And this becomes the, you know, the biggest issue is we don't know who the next victim
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And in this country, what I've seen is hilarious, but also very sad.
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You know, when I'd put up, we'd had a home invasion in my neighborhood a couple of days
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And, uh, the victim of it was an elderly male who was ransacked and then had his nose
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And then his adult son allegedly had tried to intervene and he was choked and these people
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And the comments said, well, you shouldn't have had five Rolexes.
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This is the problem you can never accept, um, not being able to live your life and say,
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well, if I live my life and I do well in life, I'm going to be victimized by it.
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This is on the pathway to countries like, you know, old Venezuela, certain parts of Mexico,
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certain parts of South America, where you are truly targeted because of your success
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and wealth resulting in sometimes child abductions.
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It's very predictable, but the lack of attention from our government is, is that is probably
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If they just paid attention to this, when it was starting to grow in from every expert
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being chiefs of police and police unions saying, we have a huge problem here years ago, we
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wouldn't be in this position, but even to the state, is anybody talking about it?
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No, I honestly felt like it was, it should have been one of the major issues of the federal
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I, from the conversations that I have, people I talk to, I hear about this every single
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And yet I feel like the media just hardly even wanted to talk about it, barely touched
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And I want to use this to pivot because the thing that they do care about apparently is
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We learned yesterday that the RCMP have charged military members for allegedly plotting to
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The RCMP have charged four men, including two active members of the Canadian Armed Forces,
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with being part of an extremist plot that event that allegedly involved creating an anti-government
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The news released Tuesday morning, Mountie said that the group was involved in allegedly ideologically
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motivated, violent plot to forcibly take land in and around Quebec City.
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So look, I don't know anything about this group.
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I don't see much evidence that they were right wing other than just the fact that they
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were part, there are two of them that were active members of Canadian Armed Forces, which
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But apparently they were nationalists, whatever that means.
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So I want to move this to a CBC interview that took place.
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So according to that interview, the CBC host, RT Pohl, was interviewing Staff Sergeant Camille
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And this was going viral online because it is just so insane.
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So I'm going to play the clip so you can hear her in her own words describing what it
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So radicalization in general quite often will show by people isolating themselves and changing
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their behavior, like changing what they're saying on a subject, like becoming more extremist.
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Like and if someone, you know, was very believed in equal gender rights, but all of a sudden are
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leaning towards like traditional values and that might be a sign that they're becoming more extremist.
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So if you're leaning more towards traditional values, if you used to believe in gender equality, so you used to
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believe the left wing propaganda that they brainwash with you at school, that men and women are exactly the
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And then, you know, you get a little older and you might have some traditional values.
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Maybe you want to get married and have some kids.
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But that means, according to this person, the staff sergeant in the RCPS spokesperson, I
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mean, she doesn't sound very forceful in her comments.
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She seems like a little confused by even what she's saying, but she's clearly reading from
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And this is what the CBC platforms, this is what our national broadcaster is putting into
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the ears and the minds of the captured class of Canadians that sit at home and watch the
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CBC lead you to believe that if you hold traditional values, Ron, you could be an extremist.
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Yeah, you know, I looked into this and this started in 2023 when initially RCMP had some
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sort of information of this group starting to band together.
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And then they were pretty active on social media to recruit people for the movement.
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So, you know, they outed themselves and they had been known about it.
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And I'm happy that these people were arrested, to tell you the truth, because of the cachet
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But what concerns me the most about this is the actual interview and the talking points,
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because generally speaking, when you're a police officer, there's an art to
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And the police service is going to put somebody who can be articulate and hit the points on
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And in there, she makes a very specific reference to family values being Western values, being
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Now, that would have come from a bullet point and that would have become from a talking point.
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And oftentimes those of us in a relationship will appreciate this.
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In this particular case, it's not how you said it.
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We know for a fact, this is not even debatable, that a healthy family is the strongest mitigator
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of a multitude of risk factors to develop a healthy lifestyle, both in some lenses of
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not being a criminal, not being a victim of a crime and generally living a healthy life.
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And what we see here is we see our national police force utilizing the most basic concept
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of every religious group, that a strong family is a strong community.
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And this is passed down through thousands of years of different cultures into us.
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And now we're being told by our national police force that any pivot back to that,
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to revalue family values as we know it here in Western society, is actually moving towards
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And when I looked at the extremism that they're referencing, they represent right-wing extremism.
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I've never seen, and I looked for it really much, about any mention of other extremisms
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Why is it always pivoting this way to the right way?
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And since when has the thousands of years of historic values that we all carry now moved
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I'd like to see the science and the evidence to say that we should be going the other direction
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And for those that have the length of time, 10, 15 years where studies are done, I can tell
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you that they say that these are not healthy avenues or paths.
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And it's really disappointing to see another police officer and a police organization represent
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Well, let alone the state broadcaster putting this out there and not pushing back in any
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Like the idea that, hey, if you have traditional values, you might be a right-wing or you might
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be an extremist and you might be on your way to becoming a terrorist.
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I mean, what does that say to all the Canadians out there watching, saying, wait a minute,
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is there something wrong with traditional values?
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Is that what our state broadcaster and our RCMP are trying to communicate to us?
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I mean, it just seems completely counter to like a healthy, happy society.
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And so to just put it all in perspective here, you know, you have rampant crime in Toronto.
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You have someone shooting someone else at a school in self-defense injury saying, well,
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yeah, I mean, Toronto is kind of like a rock now.
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And then here you have the state broadcaster and the police saying, you know, the real problem
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You know, my kids, I have, obviously I have kids like most people, I would say most people
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And for those of us who value family, I could say collectively, you know, my experience generally,
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not absolutely, but generally, those of us who really value family have either had the
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luxury of coming from a good family or understand the impact of not having a solid family.
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And we want to be the ones to break that cycle for our kids.
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So we do everything we can to create this healthy, happy family environment.
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And one of the best investigators I ever worked with, and this guy was leaps and bounds, one
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He had said to me, you know, you can't look at a single incident.
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You have to look at the constellation of facts and constellation of incidents.
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And when we look at this, when I look at the constellation over the last 10 years, in
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my mind and in my personal opinion, there is an absolute attack on family values, on meaningful
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education, on healthy peer groups, on strong individuals, and lastly, really strong communities.
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It's, we've been severed into these pockets of individualization that just break us apart,
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You know, when you live on your street and you know all your neighbors, it's a great
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When you don't know anybody, you're always living in a state of anxiety and a state of
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And I think it's, it becomes much easier to, to push a narrative or to control a movement
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when you don't have people talking to each other.
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And folks, check out the Crime Report with Ron Chinsner.
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And Ron, thank you so much for your time today.
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And thank you for joining the team here at Juno News.
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All right, folks, that's all the time we have for today.