The Candice Malcolm Show - Trudeau’s disastrous visit to Tk’emlúps First Nation

00:00:00.000 Prime Minister Justin Trudeau finally visits the Dikem Loops First Nations and things get pretty awkward.

00:00:05.700 We'll talk about his disastrous visit. I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.

00:00:13.940 Hi everyone, thank you so much for tuning into the show, tuning into the podcast.

00:00:18.000 We've had a busy week here at True North on Monday.

00:00:20.900 We did a live stream covering the Alberta municipal election as well as the referendum question on equalization.

00:00:27.960 I had Aaron Gunn on my show yesterday. He's running for leader of the BC Liberals and he sounds totally different than a normal politician.

00:00:36.180 He speaks with common sense and conviction and he's not afraid to discuss issues that are thorny and to go against the woke left mob.

00:00:44.920 Well, in all of the excitement that was going on this week, I didn't cover this trip that the Prime Minister took to Kamloops, to the Dikem Loops First Nation.

00:00:52.860 And I want to go through it on the show today because it was pretty awkward, pretty uncomfortable for the Prime Minister to finally go and I want to unpack that.

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00:01:42.940 So today I want to talk about this awkward, awkward trip that the Prime Minister took to Kamloops.

00:01:48.260 But I'm going to give you a little bit of background first because there is a lot of underlying stories and narratives here

00:01:54.920 and the underlying stories are so important to the stories.

00:01:58.100 So in case you've been living under a rock and you haven't been paying attention to the sort of prevailing media narrative

00:02:03.060 over the past six months or so, it all started here.

00:02:06.240 I'm talking about the unmarked graves found at residential schools.

00:02:09.100 The story that blew up across the international media led to really egregious claims against Canada,

00:02:14.980 accusations of mass graves, which were untrue, accusations of genocide that Canada committed, which is untrue,

00:02:21.500 horrible, terrible, unfair comparisons, basically saying that Canada's residential school programs

00:02:27.700 were the equivalent of the Nazi Holocaust against the Jews, which is just absolutely wrong on so many levels.

00:02:34.080 And I'm one of the only voices, I think, in Canada who has been willing to come out and challenge this narrative

00:02:40.440 to say that it's untrue, to talk about the facts, to bring the narrative back to the facts of the story

00:02:45.060 and to talk about how so much of the sensationalism, the moral panic that came from this story

00:02:51.640 was not in fact tied to the facts on the ground or tied to reality.

00:02:55.540 It really, really got sensationalized.

00:02:57.340 I had a piece over at tnc.news that went viral.

00:02:59.960 It's the most read piece in the history of True North.

00:03:02.780 It's called Six Things the Media Got Wrong About the Graves Found Near Residential Schools.

00:03:07.140 I encourage you to head on over and take a look at that if you haven't already.

00:03:11.300 And things got so out of hand from that narrative, from that false narrative that the legacy media pushed

00:03:15.800 and the moral panic that they created, that we then saw dozens and dozens of churches across Canada,

00:03:21.640 over 50, get vandalized, desecrated, or burnt to the ground without really much of a reaction,

00:03:28.120 without really any kind of outcry, outroar from the political class.

00:03:32.300 Instead, we saw people, elites in our society, actually cheering them on, justifying it,

00:03:38.080 making excuses for the arsonists and for the vandals.

00:03:40.960 It was really quite something, one of the worst displays of behavior in recent memory in Canada.

00:03:46.240 And it all originated from this band, from the Takenloops First Nation,

00:03:50.800 from a press release that they put out saying that they had confirmed that there were unmarked graves on their property.

00:03:56.700 And again, if you go back to my piece that I wrote, many people would assume from the narrative,

00:04:03.300 from the way that the media reported on it, that there had been some kind of an excavation,

00:04:06.760 that they had actually found the remains of children.

00:04:09.560 They weren't, they didn't.

00:04:10.580 They used ground-penetrating radar, which is a very rudimentary technology.

00:04:15.020 And basically, all that they determined was that there was some soil movement.

00:04:19.240 And even the lead researchers came later, did a press conference where they explained that they had no way of knowing

00:04:26.040 how many graves were there, how many bodies were there, whether they were children, whether they were First Nations.

00:04:31.600 We don't know any of that.

00:04:32.860 It's all sort of unconfirmed in speculation.

00:04:35.560 However, it still blew up into this huge narrative.

00:04:37.980 So that's the first important context and background.

00:04:40.460 The second important piece of background for this story today is that this chief, Chief Roseanne Cashmere,

00:04:47.120 was very public in inviting Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to come to her ceremony on Truth and Reconciliation Day.

00:04:53.720 So September 30th of this year, Canada observed Truth and Reconciliation Day the first time in our history.

00:04:59.400 The holiday was created by Justin Trudeau and the Liberals.

00:05:02.720 Instead of taking up the invitation from this chief, from this very high-profile chief,

00:05:07.000 and her reserve that everyone knows is the one that started the whole narrative about the unmarked graves,

00:05:13.680 Trudeau instead chose to lie to the public to say that he was in Ottawa in official meetings

00:05:19.300 when, in fact, where he actually was, was in Tofino.

00:05:22.520 Instead of observing this national holiday that so many Canadians do,

00:05:25.960 so many Canadians instinctively understand that our history isn't perfect,

00:05:30.360 that there were things that happened, that we all deeply regret programs

00:05:33.800 and federal government initiatives that were wrong,

00:05:37.120 that have had very negative impacts on First Nations, Canadians, and those communities.

00:05:41.960 And I think residential schools is absolutely one of those.

00:05:44.220 In no way, shape, or form have ever defended residential schools.

00:05:47.620 I don't think that they were a good idea.

00:05:49.040 I generally oppose large, sweeping federal government programs,

00:05:53.060 especially ones that break up families and remove kids from their homes.

00:05:56.680 My criticism was always about the media narrative and the way that they talked about the story

00:06:01.860 in a way that was sensationalizing it and pushing ideas that weren't true.

00:06:06.780 So all this is to say that Trudeau got into big, big trouble for not commemorating this holiday

00:06:11.480 that so many Canadians did observe, rightly so, 1.00

00:06:14.960 and taking steps towards more reconciliation, more fairness,

00:06:18.300 and more quality of outcome for First Nations Canadians.

00:06:21.180 So instead of doing any of that, Trudeau was off on the beach, and it was very, very bad.

00:06:25.460 So that's all the context.

00:06:26.920 Now, here we are on Monday.

00:06:28.480 Justin Trudeau is finally in Kamloops.

00:06:31.160 He's at the Kamloops First Nations,

00:06:32.620 almost three weeks after he skipped the original invitation to visit on Truth and Reconciliation Day.

00:06:37.560 And when speaking to the press, this is what I'm talking about when things get awkward,

00:06:40.860 because Chief Roseanne Kashmir, good for her,

00:06:43.740 she is absolutely unintimidated by the Prime Minister.

00:06:46.340 She's not impressed by him, and she lets him know it.

00:06:48.920 So here we see the two sitting side by side,

00:06:51.620 Prime Minister Justin Trudeau sitting next to Chief Roseanne Kashmir,

00:06:54.800 and she absolutely slams Trudeau. 0.94

00:06:57.580 She absolutely destroys him while he is sitting right next to her.

00:07:01.480 And just watch the look on Trudeau's face.

00:07:03.760 He is just being put in his place, being shamed in a way that MPs in Ottawa,

00:07:09.480 you know, maybe it does happen from time to time with Conservatives,

00:07:12.760 but Trudeau is usually just so smug when it comes to any criticism.

00:07:16.800 So to see him being criticized very fairly and rightly by a First Nations woman, 1.00

00:07:22.840 a strong First Nations leader, a strong woman, is absolutely classic.

00:07:27.500 So here is the clip.

00:07:28.660 It's about two minutes long.

00:07:29.960 And just watch, just look at the look on Justin Trudeau's face.

00:07:33.760 What a sad, sorry, pathetic excuse for a leader in this country.

00:07:37.160 When we imagined welcoming Prime Minister Trudeau to our community,

00:07:43.640 it was envisioned that it would be an opportunity for him to interact

00:07:48.040 with a wide array of survivors, intergenerational survivors,

00:07:52.180 and many different First Nations as part of September the 30th,

00:07:57.640 the first National Day of Truth and Reconciliation.

00:08:01.620 Two letters of invitations were sent to his office to participate in our event.

00:08:08.860 For us, it was to show his commitment to rectifying the historical wrongs of residential school

00:08:15.660 and to grieve with our residential school survivors,

00:08:20.060 whether in person or by a virtual prerecorded greeting and message for all of us here.

00:08:28.380 Instead, in the middle of truth-telling, cultural grounding, and sharing that unfolded

00:08:34.420 as part of the commemoration of the very first National Day of Truth and Reconciliation,

00:08:38.420 in this arbor, a journalist quietly informed us that the Prime Minister Justin Trudeau

00:08:45.820 was on vacation in Tofino.

00:08:49.120 The shock, anger, and sorrow, and disbelief was palpable in our community,

00:08:56.740 and it rippled throughout the world, to say the least.

00:09:00.500 Today is about making some positive steps forward and rectifying a mistake.

00:09:09.700 So, pretty devastating stuff, pretty awkward for the Prime Minister,

00:09:13.280 and again, good for Chief Kashmir for just putting him in his place.

00:09:17.000 And while on that visit to Kamloops, that wasn't the only bad thing for Trudeau,

00:09:20.160 he also got fact-checked by a First Nations group

00:09:23.540 and basically got called out for saying something that wasn't true.

00:09:28.180 So, here's a story in the National Post about it.

00:09:30.420 It says, Truth and Reconciliation Centre disputes.

00:09:32.700 Trudeau claim all residential schools' records have been transferred.

00:09:36.460 It's time for that to be true.

00:09:38.300 So, here is just a bit of the background.

00:09:40.420 So, while Trudeau was in Kamloops, he told the media that all requested documentation

00:09:44.100 Ottawa has on residential schools had been turned over to the National Centre

00:09:48.080 for Truth and Reconciliation in Winnipeg.

00:09:50.780 We will continue to look to make sure that there are no others that we have remaining to turn over,

00:09:56.840 but we have, in our understanding, turned over all of those records.

00:10:00.340 Well, that is not true according to the National Centre for Truth and Reconciliation,

00:10:04.800 and they have rebuked his claim on their website.

00:10:07.980 They wrote this on their website.

00:10:09.340 It says,

00:10:10.080 At present, we are still waiting for Canada to provide the final versions of school narratives

00:10:14.560 and supporting documents used in the independent assessment process to the NCTR.

00:10:20.100 That's the National Centre for Truth and Reconciliation.

00:10:21.600 The statement also reads,

00:10:23.600 At present, we are also still unable to access Indian hospital records, federal health records,

00:10:29.120 and day school records.

00:10:30.520 All of these records are crucial not only to support missing children research,

00:10:34.080 but to fully and truthfully document the residential school system,

00:10:37.700 the children who died in the schools, and the ongoing legacy.

00:10:41.200 The statement ended saying,

00:10:42.200 If the Prime Minister is telling all Canadians and Indigenous peoples

00:10:45.040 that the National Truth and Reconciliation Centre holds all the records,

00:10:48.520 it's time for that to be true.

00:10:50.380 So again, pretty devastating stuff for a Prime Minister who virtue signals a lot

00:10:54.880 and likes to pretend that he is very empathetic and caring

00:10:57.600 and that he is the one that is going to help First Nations people in Canada

00:11:01.300 when we all know that that's not true.

00:11:03.080 We all know that Justin Trudeau doesn't really care about this stuff.

00:11:05.420 He only cares about appearing like he cares.

00:11:07.920 He doesn't actually like doing the hard work and following through on his promises.

00:11:12.320 And so that is all coming to light, and it is pretty amusing stuff.

00:11:16.900 And now all that being said, I think it is important,

00:11:20.000 especially on this show, on the Candace Malcolm show,

00:11:22.120 that we dissect the statements that both sides make.

00:11:25.280 So we don't let one side get away with statements that aren't true

00:11:28.780 just because the other side is saying things that aren't true.

00:11:31.540 So one of the things that Chief Kashmir had said

00:11:33.820 is that the findings have been confirmed,

00:11:37.400 that the unmarked graves have been confirmed.

00:11:40.000 Well, that is not exactly true.

00:11:42.760 So to this day, there's still no follow-up and no proof

00:11:45.800 about that story of the 215 unmarked graves.

00:11:48.760 In fact, as I mentioned earlier in the show,

00:11:50.580 when they finally did do their presentation

00:11:52.440 and released the report that they had

00:11:54.380 that was done through a local university,

00:11:56.400 the main researcher said that the 215 number wasn't even true.

00:12:00.560 So you remember all those headlines,

00:12:02.160 215 unmarked graves, 215 children found.

00:12:05.720 215 was the number that we heard over and over again.

00:12:08.260 And that number has sort of become a rallying cry.

00:12:10.420 You see it in stickers.

00:12:12.100 You sometimes see it on store window fronts.

00:12:14.460 A lot of people use that 215.

00:12:16.340 You see it a lot on social media.

00:12:18.040 Well, according to the lead researcher who did the report,

00:12:21.140 she said that that 215 number isn't even accurate.

00:12:23.720 It isn't true, that the claim is more something about 200.

00:12:27.280 They expect roughly 200 graves that were found.

00:12:31.120 And she reiterated the idea that it is basically impossible

00:12:34.020 to confirm whether this is true,

00:12:36.520 whether these are actually graves,

00:12:38.260 who these graves belong to,

00:12:39.620 whether they were children at the residential school,

00:12:41.580 whether they were from a previous generation,

00:12:43.940 whether they were First Nations,

00:12:45.140 or whether they were the European settlers

00:12:47.500 who were there at the time.

00:12:48.980 We just don't know.

00:12:49.960 The only way to confirm that would be to do excavations,

00:12:53.560 to dig up and find the remains,

00:12:57.100 do carbon dating on the bones and all that kind of thing,

00:13:00.080 which is something that isn't happening at this point.

00:13:02.280 There's no plan to do that.

00:13:03.460 I can't imagine First Nations people wanting to do that, 1.00

00:13:06.820 wanting to dig up a burial space,

00:13:09.240 especially a sacred burial space.

00:13:11.140 So really, there is no confirmation.

00:13:13.620 There's no confirmation.

00:13:14.500 We still have a claim.

00:13:16.240 Even, like I said, the lead archaeologist,

00:13:18.060 a woman by the name of Sarah Bilio,

00:13:20.420 had to clarify that these results are probable

00:13:22.700 and that they are not confirmed.

00:13:24.480 This is what she said back in July

00:13:25.740 when they did that presentation

00:13:27.360 that was supposed to show the results

00:13:29.600 and confirm all this information.

00:13:31.060 She said, all residential school landscapes

00:13:33.680 are likely to contain burials and missing children,

00:13:37.040 and remote sensing, such as ground-penetrating radar,

00:13:39.860 merely provides some spatial specificity to this truth.

00:13:43.660 According to the Globe and Mail,

00:13:44.860 she also stressed her findings can't be confirmed

00:13:47.140 unless excavations are done at the scene,

00:13:49.660 which is why we need to pull back a little

00:13:52.040 and say that these are probable burials.

00:13:54.860 They are targets of interest for sure.

00:13:57.220 She said the sites have multiple signatures

00:13:59.280 that present like burials,

00:14:01.360 but that we do need to say that they are probable

00:14:03.820 until one excavates.

00:14:06.140 So again, the main researchers, the scientists,

00:14:08.800 the archaeologists say that these are probable graves.

00:14:11.340 And so when you have the chief of a First Nations

00:14:14.120 coming out saying that it is confirmed,

00:14:16.200 that's a political statement,

00:14:17.300 that is not a factual statement,

00:14:18.980 that is not based on the facts on the ground.

00:14:22.340 And there's more.

00:14:24.020 Chief Kashmir has also claimed

00:14:25.660 that some of the bodies were detected

00:14:27.020 were as young as three years old.

00:14:29.940 That again, this is not confirmed

00:14:31.700 by ground-penetrating radar.

00:14:33.080 We can't confirm any details about the individuals

00:14:35.280 or how they died.

00:14:36.900 This is from a University of Lethbridge professor

00:14:39.540 named Dr. Paul Vermitz.

00:14:41.360 He says,

00:14:41.800 the radar isn't going to tell you who's down there,

00:14:44.380 nor is it going to tell you what they died.

00:14:46.660 He said that during a event hosted

00:14:49.100 by the Society for Academic Freedom and Scholarship,

00:14:51.960 as well as the Frontier Centre for Public Policy.

00:14:54.800 And according to the Canadian Archaeological Association,

00:14:57.720 it is not possible to identify grave locations

00:15:00.620 or the absence of graves

00:15:02.140 with 100% certainty using remote sensing.

00:15:05.680 They also say that archaeologists

00:15:07.660 will likely assign different levels of confidence

00:15:09.620 to their results in much the same way

00:15:11.620 as a weather forecaster predicts

00:15:13.280 the likelihood of the rain.

00:15:15.260 Now, all this isn't to downplay or diminish.

00:15:17.540 The experiences were,

00:15:18.840 which from all accounts were pretty horrific

00:15:21.080 for First Nations individuals

00:15:22.640 who did attend these residential schools.

00:15:24.340 It is just to say that we should take some caution

00:15:26.640 when we're talking about the story.

00:15:28.000 We should recognize that it is a very,

00:15:30.480 very heated subject.

00:15:32.020 Many Canadians feel a sense of remorse

00:15:33.600 or they feel ashamed by the way

00:15:35.020 that First Nations peoples were treated

00:15:36.860 in Canada in many instances.

00:15:39.260 And, you know, the feeling that they have

00:15:41.740 is that we want to right this wrong.

00:15:43.960 But by pushing stories that are sensationalized,

00:15:47.780 that are not really based on truth,

00:15:49.480 all it does is raise the temperature

00:15:51.080 and enables the sort of bold, far-left people

00:15:53.800 who just want to, like they said,

00:15:55.300 burn it all down, burn down the churches,

00:15:57.980 erase Canada, destroy our history. 0.98

00:15:59.860 We have to be pretty careful

00:16:01.060 and try to stick as closely to the facts.

00:16:03.040 The facts are bad enough as it is.

00:16:04.680 We don't need to exaggerate them to make them worse.

00:16:07.080 And when it comes to the story of the unmarked graves,

00:16:09.700 we should try to stick with the facts

00:16:11.460 and not allow the media and left-wing activists

00:16:14.460 to blow it out of proportion to sensationalize it.

00:16:17.700 Yes, horrible things happened at residential schools.

00:16:20.340 Were they mass killing fields

00:16:21.420 that we can equate to Nazi Germany?

00:16:23.260 No, they weren't.

00:16:24.240 That's not what they were.

00:16:25.300 That's not what happened.

00:16:26.020 That's not what the stories over the summer

00:16:27.620 of the unmarked graves proved.

00:16:29.540 In fact, we don't even know for certainty

00:16:31.520 what it is that we're talking about.

00:16:33.100 And it's important to stick to the facts

00:16:35.240 and the truth when we are reporting

00:16:36.900 when we're talking about such a sensitive issue.

00:16:39.820 Regardless, it was a very, very bad day

00:16:41.980 for Justin Trudeau, a bad week.

00:16:43.520 He was put in his place.

00:16:44.960 And I think that most Canadians

00:16:46.300 are starting to see through his nonsense

00:16:48.220 to recognize that he likes to virtue signal.

00:16:51.520 But when it comes to putting his money

00:16:53.380 where his mouth is,

00:16:54.260 when it comes to walking the walk,

00:16:55.540 he just isn't there.

00:16:56.660 He doesn't care.

00:16:57.380 He's not authentic.

00:16:58.540 And he was rightfully put in his place

00:17:01.040 this week in Can Loops.

00:17:02.240 Thanks so much for watching.

00:17:03.040 I'm Cadis Malcolm,

00:17:03.700 and this is The Cadis Malcolm Show.

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The Candice Malcolm Show - October 21, 2021

Trudeau’s disastrous visit to Tk’emlúps First Nation

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