Trudeau’s last SCANDAL on his way out the door
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In this episode of The Candice Malcolm Show, host Candice talks to Professor David Millard Haskell about his new piece, "Invite Canada's Conservatives to Join the United States." He also talks about the gold heist at Pearson Airport, and the possibility that the suspects are not even Canadian.
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Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show. Thank you so much for joining us
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Again, it really helps us out. I want to talk about Justin Trudeau. I want to talk about
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the gall of this man who announced back in early January that he was resigning. He said he was
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resigning. He was stepping down. He wasn't going to lead us anymore. And now he just won't go away.
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He inserts himself in the discussion with President Donald Trump. We know that the
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reason, at least part of the reason, why Donald Trump is being so aggressive towards Canada is
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because he doesn't like our Prime Minister. He doesn't like Justin Trudeau. Well, here we are
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in the final days of Justin Trudeau's time as Prime Minister. And what does he do? He announces an
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unbelievably large infrastructure project, which I promise you will go insanely over budget if it ever
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gets completed. We're going to get into all of that. I also want to talk about an incredible story
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that was broken by our friends over at True North, and you can find the story on Juno News,
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about the gold heist suspects, the people who are presumed to have carried out that gold heist
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that happened in Pearson Airport. They're not only still large, they're not even in Canada. There's
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evidence now that suggests that they're just sort of living large in places like Dubai and India.
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So we're going to talk about all of that. But to start off the show today, folks, I want to bring
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in a person who I have tremendous respect for, Professor David Millard Haskell, who's an associate
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professor at Wilfrid Laurier University. Prior to being a professor, he was actually in our realm,
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he was a journalist, and he had a successful career working in the media for TVO and several other radio
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stations and television stations. And he is also a current senior fellow, research fellow over at the
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Aristotle Foundation. Sorry. So, David, thank you so much for joining the program today.
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So I saw one of the pieces that you had recently written with great interest over on an outlet
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called The American Conservative. You have a piece called Invite Canada's Conservatives to Join America.
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So I'm going to get you to walk us through this proposal. Before, just for the audience, let's show a clip
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of President Trump making an offer about a united North America.
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Canada and the United States, that would really be something. You get rid of that artificially drawn
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line, and you take a look at what that looks like. And it would also be much better for national
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security. Don't forget, we basically protect Canada.
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So a lot of Canadians see that and hear that and feel terrified. Others, though, I think that
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there's a significant percentage, I don't know if it's 10% or a quarter, it's up to 50%, especially
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young men, that hear that and say, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I think that we might have
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a better future if we're all one, one big united country. Very counter to what the elites and legacy
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media and politicians basically have all stripes, it seems. But I found your piece interesting,
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because you kind of get into into some of the details of why Americans might not want Canadians,
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right? Why they might not want to absorb us. So why don't you tell us a little bit about what you wrote?
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Well, what I do, Candace, is I look at three options that the Trump administration may want to
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consider. And the first thing I talk about is that they probably wouldn't want all of Canada.
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And I move in that direction, saying that if you if you look at Canada itself, we lean
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politically to the left. And if it if the Trump administration were really trying to
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bolster conservatism in the US, the worst thing they could do would be to bring all Canada on board.
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So currently, we're at what about 41 million people. And if if this left leaning country,
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which Canada is a 41 million people came in holus bolus into the US, that'd be like the equivalent of
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the state of California. So what they'd see is about 45 to 48 new representatives in the lower
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House of Congress, and then in the Senate, two more there. And it would decidedly tip the scales
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toward really radical leftist ideology in the US. And Trump wouldn't want that. I mean,
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could you imagine? They've just secured what we'd call a mega base, they've really got a mega foundation,
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and it would be upended by absorbing all of Canada. So I kind of poo poo that idea. And they must be aware
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of that, right? They must be. But we we also see that there seems to be a special relationship
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between Daniel Smith, and also President Trump. I mean, she went down to Mar-a-Lago, and she was
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chatting with him. We don't know what was actually said. But but she's holding her cards very close
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to the chest. She's not she's not saying anything about going alone, or anything like that. But I make
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that suggestion in my piece. I say, you know, from a strategic point of view, Trump might want to
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consider making an overture to the province of Alberta. And I look at it like this. First of all,
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they already do a lot of trading in terms of natural gas and oil, right? Like 80% of Alberta's
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natural gas and oil goes to the US anyway. If Alberta were able to be that 51st state as opposed to
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Canada, all Canada, there'd be some significant benefits economically there. There'd be no trade
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barriers there. In addition, people in Alberta, I mean, even 60, 65% are really solidly conservative.
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So again, that would benefit President Trump, he's going to get people in who are already aligned with
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him ideologically. From the point of view of people in Alberta, we know that they're dissatisfied
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with the arrangement, as it applies to equalization payments, for example, I mean, almost to the tune of
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a couple billion every year. And most of that goes to provinces, while most of it goes to Quebec,
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who doesn't even want pipelines, right? It must be so frustrating for people in Alberta to see the money
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that is raised from their natural resources primarily go to a province that is trying to
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ruin them financially. So, I mean, we know that within the province already, there's a real separatist
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Whoops. Did we lose you there, David? You're frozen on my end. Maybe it's me, though.
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But we will try our best, folks, to get David back on. You know, what he was talking about kind of
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reminds me a little bit of what Jordan Peterson said. Jordan Peterson had a recent piece in the
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National Post where he basically just says, look, Canada has to offer a better deal to Alberta than
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what Donald Trump is offering. Because Donald Trump, you know, love him or hate him, he is
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making an offer to the Canadians that does appeal to many Canadians. Not all of them, not even a majority.
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Like I said, it depends on what poll you're looking at. Anywhere between 10% to 15% of the country.
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But it is interesting to even just think about, like, the demographics of the people. I watched a
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Rebel video yesterday where the journalist was walking around Calgary asking people what they
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thought about it. And downtown Calgary, I think he was on Stevens Avenue, it seemed like almost everyone
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he was talking to was for the idea. Interesting. I was talking to some family friends in the GTA,
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talking to people who are first generation Canadians, immigrants. And they basically said
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everyone in their social circle likes the idea. They think, why not? Why not join the Americans?
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They are a more prosperous country, richer country, lower taxes. If you take patriotism and love of
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country out of the equation, and you just look at it in terms of what's the best for like my finances
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and my family, it's hard to argue that Canada might not be better off with this offer. And
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particularly Alberta, because as David was saying there, they haven't been treated very fairly,
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very nicely in this confederation, in our Canadian Union. The idea that they get taxed and the
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equalization system means that money from Alberta, excess money gets sent to other parts of the
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country, poor parts of the country, places like Quebec and the Maritimes, where they don't have the
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same attitude towards resource development towards pro-capitalism. They lean more towards big
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government and socialism. So they get to waste the money and spend them on big projects and big
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government. And Alberta is the one paying the bill. So it's such an interesting topic of conversation.
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And we're still working to see if we can get David back on the line. But I want to talk a little bit about,
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you know, just when it comes to Canada-US relations. The Canadian ambassador said that Canada's making
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progress. So in an interview with CBC's Power and Politics, the Canadian ambassador to the US,
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woman named Kristin Hillman, said that the president, US president, is pleased with Canada's progress,
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pleased with the things that Justin Trudeau has done to try to protect the border, to try to crack down
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on fentanyl, maybe appointing that fentanyl czar was a step in the right direction. So here is a clip
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from Wednesday. The president was pleased with the announcements we made, but not only the
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announcements, the progress that we are making in the fight against fentanyl, in the fight against
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irregular migration, illegal migration. For example, illegal migration from Canada to the United States is
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down 90 percent in recent months. And we have taken important measures with respect to the fight
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against fentanyl. And that's not all she said. She also added that everybody that she is talking to
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in Washington believes that Trump's March 4th deadline for the 25 percent tariffs on Canada is
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tied to this effort. And so she believes that they are taking steps in the right direction. Maybe we will
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avoid a trade war after all those play that clip. Everybody that we are talking to are saying that
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the March 4th deadline is tied to continued efforts on our part and together with them to to fight in
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particular the scourge of fentanyl. So are you getting signals then that we might get it reprieved
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because we've had some success already at the border with fentanyl? So I'm getting signals that the
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work that we are doing and the results that we are achieving is is well received. And
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So on the one hand, we have the, you know, Trudeau administration, Trudeau government officials,
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including the ambassador there, saying we're taking efforts. We're working with the Trump
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administration. They're happy with our progress. We're doing the things that they want on the way
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to hopefully avoiding a trade war. But then on the other hand, the Trudeau liberals, they just can't
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resist, right? They can't help but trying to demonize Donald Trump, trying to undermine him,
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using him as a political wedge in Canada. Because in Canada, we all know Trump isn't very popular,
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especially in the center. Centrist Canadians, normal Canadians don't really like his style,
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don't like Trump. And so it's a perfect wedge issue for the liberals. All they have to do is
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compare conservatives in Canada to Trump, and it'll sufficiently scare centrist voters enough
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to want to abandon the conservatives. So, you know, despite all the progress that they're supposedly
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making in negotiating, the liberals released an attack ad framing Pierre Politev in negative light
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and comparing him to Donald Trump, let's play that clip.
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actuarial. Everything is broken. Everything is broken.
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Fake news. Fake news. The left-wing censorship regime. Their woke censorship ideology. Defeating
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the radical left. Radical leftist authoritarian. We want those great Canadian truckers to know that
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I'm proud of the truckers and I stand with them.
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Have turned our once great cities into cesspools of bloodshed and crime.
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Unleashed a crime wave like we have never seen.
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They want to demonize Trump even at a moment when they're trying to negotiate with him.
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It's like there's so much of an incentive for the liberals to have a trade war.
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The more that we're involved in a trade war, the more that they're telling the sort of center and normal Canadians to wrap themselves in the flag, be proud of Canadian, buy Canadian.
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That sentiment is actually good politically for the liberals.
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So it seems like they would almost rather sacrifice the country and have a trade war rather than have mutual prosperity for all.
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But, you know, have a potential conservative government back.
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I think we have David Haskell back on the line.
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And if we do, we can continue that conversation.
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I think that we've just seen, Candace, that somebody doesn't want this conversation to happen.
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I think that it could be Trudeau trying to tamper with some of this stuff.
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And actually, I covered this on the show yesterday.
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Watching the sort of censorship regime that's happening in Europe, right?
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The way that they crack down on, I mean, there was a 60 Minutes piece highlighting this idea that there's a police force in Germany that goes and raids your house and takes away your laptop and your phone if you post things that they deem to be insulting racists online.
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I'm sure that Justin Trudeau and his liberals would love to have powers like that.
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But let's go back to your piece, David, because when you're off the line, I said, you know, Jordan Peterson had a piece in the National Post saying that Canada has to offer something better for Alberta because what Trump is offering could be appealing to a lot of Albertans.
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And maybe it's time that Canada realizes that, wakes up and says, wow, we're really taking advantage of a certain part of the country.
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Yeah, well, I was in agreement with Jordan on that.
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One of the things that hasn't come up, and this is very Machiavellian, but I mean, all politics is Machiavellian.
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One of the things that I've wondered about is why would the people surrounding Daniel Smith not say, shouldn't we be at least pretend that we're interested in this offer from Trump?
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Or shouldn't we do a little bit of back channel to see what might be out there?
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And the reason I say that is we know from history since the 1960s, the province of Quebec, the government of Quebec has been able to wrestle incredible additional rights and privileges from the Canadian Federation simply by saber rattling related to separation.
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And so I get it, and I think it's noble and honorable that Alberta has not really gone that route.
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But, you know, if you've got the world superpower on one knee holding a ring, maybe you can get a pretty nice proposal from the other suitor.
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So I just, and again, this is Machiavellian, of course, but all politics is, and I wonder why the Alberta government hasn't at least, or maybe they are, maybe they are.
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They really should, I think, examine their options.
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And I only say this, listen, I'm not from Alberta.
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And so I'm looking at this strictly from a political strategic point of view.
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There are immense benefits that could come to Alberta were it to become the 51st state.
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And, I mean, even Trump has mentioned that it'd be about a 60% reduction in taxes off the top.
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They'd also not have to do equalization payments.
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In the United States, the way that the states divvy things up, it's a much smaller pot.
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There is sort of a collective pot that comes from state to state that they try to equal out the disadvantages in other states that are more poor, like Alabama, Missouri.
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But it's nothing, nothing like we have in the equalization payments.
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And those equalization payments, really, there's no motivation.
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We haven't heard any kind of motivation from any of the party leaders at the top, whether it's Polyev or Trudeau, to ever adjust these things.
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So it seems like same old, same old for people in Alberta.
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So, again, there are some things that I'm interested in.
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Are they happening in terms of back channel with Alberta?
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Alberta, certainly there are avenues to explore there.
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I said that all Canada, probably it'd be a bad idea for Trump to absorb all Canada.
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In my piece, Invite Conservatives to Become Americans, that appears in the American Conservative magazine.
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Maybe we want to talk about that third option that I also mentioned in the piece.
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We haven't gone there yet, if that's all right with you, Candace.
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Well, before we do, I want to just raise this concern because I think when Donald Trump first mentioned the 51st state, I'm thoroughly convinced it was a joke.
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He was talking about how Wayne Gretzky should be the governor and basically kind of trying to troll our prime minister.
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You could tell that they have a tense relationship, let's put it that way.
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And then it seemed like the more that he said it out loud and the more reaction he got, he kind of leaned into it.
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I think that he's serious about having a better deal.
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He doesn't understand why Canada doesn't have a proper military, why, you know, there's so much protection that happens from the American perspective.
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For me, it makes sense because, you know, why would we rebuild our own military when they have one right there?
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We should probably work more closely with them.
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We should follow their guidance in terms of securing our border and fixing our broken immigration system and cracking down.
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But I didn't think that he was literal because of some of the questions that you raised.
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Like, I don't think that any right-minded Republican president would want to invite 40 million potentially left-wing Democrats into the country.
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I don't think that they would want to have two more Democratic senators, which Canada would pretty much always have.
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And so, you know, when you get into the kind of like real nitty-gritty of it, a political union, it doesn't make sense for the Americans.
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I think that Canadians are too, you know, well, our entire country was built on the idea that we're not Americans, that we wanted to stop, you know, we wanted to remain loyal to the crown and not participate in the revolution.
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So it seems like, you know, it seems like a hard fit to make this a political union.
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And so I think the pieces, the issues that you raise in your piece are correct.
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But then that leads to the question for you, David, do you think Trump is literal?
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Do you think that he literally wants to absorb Canada, invade, or, you know, create this union in a literal way?
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And you've hit all the main points that I would raise, Candace.
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Definitely, he did start out and he was trolling.
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But I think that it caught some wind in that sale.
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There's some, there's some, okay, he said, I don't want to buy the farm.
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But I wouldn't mind rustling a few of the cattle.
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And in his art of the deal, I mean, this is a guy who wrote a book all about negotiation.
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And he basically says, say crazy things at the start.
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And see, it's sort of like shake the tree and see which apples drop.
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And so he was probably looking for the reaction and he's gotten some reaction.
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And we did see him move back a little bit when he instituted the tariffs in February.
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And then he said, well, you know, I've seen some action on your border that you're trying to secure your border.
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You're trying to take care of the fentanyl problem.
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So we know that he is looking for some very specific things as well.
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But to your point, yeah, he is, he's testing the waters.
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He's, he's really, he, I don't think he had a great game plan.
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But then we look at his speech that he gave in January, his inauguration speech.
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He made a point of saying, we are going to expand as a nation.
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Now, would that have been in there if there hadn't been some kind of buzz happening around
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his 51st state comments behind, around his Panama comments, around his Greenland comments?
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And he was getting some positive feedback on Greenland.
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Politically in the U.S., his comments about Panama were well received.
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In Canada, we didn't receive his idea of the 51st state generally as well.
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But there were probably people around him saying, you know, see what happens.
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But, but all this is to say that in his inauguration address, he actually makes a point of saying,
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I think that, well, I think it's pretty obvious that Justin Trudeau has done tremendous damage
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to our country and not just our country, like our society, our culture.
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It doesn't feel like we're bound by unity or a shared sense of belief in our country.
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You know, everything from the economics to the immigration to national unity.
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Like, I don't think that, you know, there's a flaring Quebec separatist movement in the Alberta
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or Western separatist movement has just gotten stronger over the last 10 years.
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Trudeau on his way out the door is promising, you know, a multi-billion dollar train, which
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But, you know, now would be the time, you know, from, from, from the outside.
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Anyway, it seems like America is pretty united around Donald Trump.
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And even, you know, people in, in tech in the Silicon Valley who are notoriously left-wing
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and Democrat, you know, even a fraction of those people are excited.
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You see people across the country kind of leaning into their excitement over this fresh
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start that they're having in the United States.
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And then meanwhile, in Canada, we have this like sad, broken system where we're about to
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have a prime minister basically installed from the World Economic Forum to be like a trustee
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And, and I do think that outside of the political, whoops, outside of the political bubble of like
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everyone in all the parties kind of agrees that you have to double down on Canada, Canada,
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Canada, if you, if you talk to like normal people and, and, and I mentioned this, you know,
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people who are hyperpolitical, I think the idea of joining the U S might actually seem appealing
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because they are, you know, lower taxes for your economy, more choice, more, you know,
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options in terms of where to live and, you know, what everything from like cell phone companies
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to airlines, like there's just a lot more choice in the United States.
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And, and, and particularly I worry about new Canadians, people who have, who have, you know,
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first generation who, who haven't grown up being Canadian or don't have a Canadian bloodline
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that they, that they have even less of an attachment to this country.
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Well, you, you've mentioned something that's I think pretty important.
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And it's the reasons, what are the reasons that someone would favor Canada?
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You know, what is it that we talk, Polly has been talking about Canada being broken.
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So I think that, that there's something in that, that Canada is broken, but there's a part
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of it that can't be fixed. And I think that there are people, normal people, you call them
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normal people who are looking at the things that can't be fixed in Canada. And then they're
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saying, maybe given that it can't be fixed, maybe we do have to look at this other option.
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And so the thing that can't be fixed is our constitution. And I mentioned this in my piece.
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I say that people, particularly those, what we'll call the hardcore conservatives who have been
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in the freedom movement. So those people are the people who were objecting to the COVID mandates.
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These are the people who are appearing before their school boards and are talking about radical
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gender ideology. These are the people who are doing public protests related to any number of radical
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leftist ideologies. So they've got skin in the game, right? We'll call them the freedom movement.
00:26:44.480
Well, those people have noticed that our constitution doesn't support them. Our constitution is broken.
00:26:51.020
So our constitution, part one of our constitution is our charter of rights and freedoms. A lot of
00:26:56.120
people don't understand that our constitution is two parts. It was adapted or adopted in 1982. And the
00:27:02.760
first part is the charter. And the charter says what your rights are supposed to be and how they're
00:27:08.560
supposed to be. It's supposed to be given to you. Well, our charter is rigged. I say rigged, meaning
00:27:15.560
it is against freedom. It is for identity politics and is actually against the promotion of Western
00:27:25.520
culture. And it's, and it's written right into it. And, and if you are someone in the freedom movement,
00:27:32.420
if you are a true conservative who has skin in the game and you've been speaking out against these
00:27:37.100
things, you've seen that you've seen that the very rules of the game, the things that actually,
00:27:43.860
uh, the, the rule book, the guidebook for our country is written in such a way that you cannot
00:27:50.060
win. And I'll get very specific about this. So section one of our charter, uh, says, well,
00:27:57.840
section two, first of all, section two gives you the rights. It says you have the right to freedom of
00:28:01.900
religion. Uh, you have the right to assembly, the right to freedom of expression. That all sounds
00:28:07.640
really good. But section one of our charter says that every one of those rights can be taken away
00:28:15.780
if it's justified in a free and democratic society. And, and you think, okay, well, as long as it's,
00:28:25.300
it's justified in a free and democratic society, well, what we've seen is that most of our judges
00:28:31.920
have been appointed by the liberals. And those liberal judges have suggested that what's justified,
00:28:39.780
it sure looks more like it would be justified in a communist country than a democratic country.
00:28:45.940
And I can give you some examples. Uh, we could look at during the COVID mandates,
00:28:50.540
big box stores, Walmart was allowed to be open. Home Depot was allowed to be opened,
00:28:56.760
but conservative Christian churches who wanted to stay open, when they went to court, they were told,
00:29:02.400
sorry, your right to freedom of assembly, your right to freedom of religion. It has no standing
00:29:09.340
because we judges are saying that in a free and democratic society, the quashing of your rights
00:29:15.400
is justified. We could go a little bit in the past. We could look at the decision for the Trinity
00:29:19.780
Western law school. So Trinity Western university is a Christian university. They wanted to launch a
00:29:25.480
law school. Uh, but the law societies of British Columbia and Ontario said, no, that law school
00:29:34.100
will actually make people unsafe. It will make society unsafe because it's going to insist upon
00:29:39.700
Christian values. They made that argument. It went to the Supreme court. The Supreme court said,
00:29:44.780
we agree with the law societies. And therefore the Christians, the conservative Christians at
00:29:52.160
Trinity Western were told you can't have a law school. Uh, if we go back to really the beginning
00:29:58.780
of when the charter was used in order to suppress the rights of conservatives, we could look at a case
00:30:03.640
of a Christian printer in Toronto, Scott Brockie, who wanted to, sorry, he wanted to refuse a client.
00:30:12.720
He said, my Christian values do not allow me to print what you want me to print. He even said,
00:30:19.100
you can go somewhere else. Well, the client took him to court and the court said, sorry, you don't have
00:30:26.900
the right to your Christian values in your business. And they based it on section, uh, fit, sorry, section
00:30:33.880
one of the charter that said, we can pull any of these rights that are shown in section two, as long as we
00:30:41.340
can justify it in a free and democratic society. So for someone who is a true conservative, someone
00:30:48.460
with skin in the game and they're in Canada, they'll look across the border to the United States
00:30:53.100
where their bill of rights, rights talks about inalienable rights. Their constitution talks
00:30:58.000
about inalienable rights. And we've seen in case after case, they're actually upheld.
00:31:02.300
Right. Well, it's interesting, David, because I think there's an argument, a long argument,
00:31:07.340
um, on the conservative side of spectrum of like, who has the better system. And I think
00:31:11.400
many people, even, even conservative Canadians at one point argued that Canada has, I mean, Canada,
00:31:18.220
the reason that we didn't join the American revolution is because we were too conservative.
00:31:21.940
We, we didn't want that kind of change. We, we believed in, you know, steady, stable power and
00:31:28.180
governance. And, you know, the idea of a monarchy, you know, we would never design this kind of
00:31:32.900
government from scratch, but we have it. And it seems to work in, in some way. Uh, I, I don't hear
00:31:38.380
conservatives making that argument. I think you're right that post COVID post some of these decisions
00:31:42.460
that have happened, it's impossible to argue that our system upholds freedom, um, better than the
00:31:47.560
American. I think American system is full of flaws as well. Um, but just to bring it back to the
00:31:52.140
piece that you wrote, um, I wonder, you know, if, if Donald Trump were to read this piece and say,
00:31:56.600
yeah, that's a great idea, why don't we just invite all of the conservatives or all of the, um,
00:32:01.680
Albertans, uh, to join America, what, what, what would be left in Canada? I mean, I, I think that it would
00:32:06.400
be a pretty scary place to live if, if we kind of, you know, the people who were committed to freedom,
00:32:11.080
the people who were the, the small business owners and the people with Christian values and family
00:32:15.920
values, uh, got up and left. I, I, I would be kind of terrified as to what would be, uh, left and what
00:32:21.720
would happen to this country. I think that you wouldn't see everybody leave. Um, and what you're
00:32:27.720
describing is an Atlas shrugged movement, uh, Atlas shrugged moment, right? Um, when we read the book
00:32:33.960
by Rand about, uh, who is John Galt and there's this movement where all the people who are really,
00:32:40.520
in this case, the libertarians leave society, society basically crumbles. And I think you might
00:32:45.380
have something there, but of course, many of these people who are what I'd call the true
00:32:49.360
conservatives, they'd stay because they're natural born fighters. They've been fighting
00:32:53.180
from the beginning. They've got skin in the game. They're not going to leave, but let's say if some
00:32:57.660
of them did and the best estimate for the freedom movement of people with skin in the game, probably
00:33:04.180
a good proxy for that is how many people refuse to get vaccinated. How many people refuse to get,
00:33:10.480
uh, wear masks, how many people stood up publicly. It's probably about 10% of the population.
00:33:15.860
So you're probably talking about 4 million people and that's a, uh, about the size of Oklahoma.
00:33:22.860
So, you know, not a, not a shabby number of people. Could the United States absorb that
00:33:28.740
very comfortably, very comfortably. And in my piece, I suggest to the Trump administration,
00:33:35.340
if they'll ever read this piece, that what they could do is actually create almost like a refugee
00:33:42.140
visa. So they've done it for other countries where there's a persecuted class. Well, you could make
00:33:49.760
the case, you could definitely make the case that in Canada, those people who are part of the freedom
00:33:54.680
movement, those people who are truly public in their conservative values are a persecuted minority.
00:34:01.320
I mean, from job loss to, to court cases, uh, to any number of, of public trials that they have to
00:34:09.740
endure, there is an argument to be made there. And if Trump were to say, okay, let's bring those people
00:34:16.680
in. Definitely. That is a form of expansionism. Now he was talking about geographic expansion,
00:34:24.020
but what about demographic expansion? You bring in those people who are already very much aligned
00:34:32.360
with what we'd say is the conservative movement in the U S the hardcore conservative movement in the
00:34:37.980
U S that could be a real benefit. Certainly the people in Canada who would be willing to,
00:34:43.420
to take that up, they'd benefit as well from lower taxes and, and from being in a place where you're
00:34:49.580
not the odd, odd duck anymore. And by that, even, even conservatives, uh, who are sort of party
00:34:59.000
adherents, they, they adhere to a party with conservative in their name. If they're a true
00:35:03.160
conservative, they don't fit in. I mean, the, the, the elites in their party actually disparage them.
00:35:10.320
They, they're embarrassed by them and they certainly don't speak out on the issues that are close to
00:35:16.200
them. And by that, I mean, look at our conservative leaders, uh, our most populous province is Ontario.
00:35:22.320
Doug Ford is the, ostensibly the head of the conservatives in Ontario. And he doesn't talk
00:35:29.720
about cultural issues at all. In fact, he abets what we would see as the most radical of leftist
00:35:36.740
policies in our education system. So we've got that. We've got Polly of who, who I understand,
00:35:42.960
listen, strategically from a strategic point of view, if you're in the lead, you say less winning,
00:35:49.160
say less. I get it. But man, doesn't he realize that the way that you open that Overton window,
00:35:56.780
the way that you make things permissible for discussion is by discussing them.
00:36:02.480
A leader leads at some point, you actually have to say the things. And I talked to friends of mine
00:36:09.100
who are deeply embedded in the federal conservatives and they say, Oh yeah. Oh yeah. You should hear what
00:36:15.760
he whispers about. And I'm just tired of the whispering. I, I think that, um, the reason that
00:36:23.160
in Canada we have so little support for conservative ideas is because our conservative leaders won't talk
00:36:30.360
about them. And so we, we find ourself in this catch 22. You actually have to begin talking about
00:36:37.720
things, uh, things that are relegated to the private sphere sphere will die in the public sphere.
00:36:44.480
You're right. You know, I listened to Pierre Polyev's Canada first, uh, rally on Saturday night.
00:36:49.980
And we actually did a deep dive, uh, on the show yesterday with Barbara Kaye. Barbara Kaye really
00:36:54.900
liked the speech and she walked us through it from her perspective. And I agree. I think that if you
00:37:00.020
look at it deeply, you can see a lot of things that would make conservatives happy. But then,
00:37:05.460
you know, on the surface, what, what, what, what you're really seeing is I can, I can be the
00:37:10.560
liberals more than the liberals. Look, I love the flag. I love Canada. I'm going to defend it. Like,
00:37:14.900
like kind of almost copying what they're focused on. Right. Instead of, instead of the election being
00:37:19.820
focused on how broken Canada is from Justin Trudeau, it's now focused on, um, who could, who can
00:37:25.840
be the better negotiator with Trump who could stand up against tariffs better. And it is, it's kind of
00:37:31.620
like playing on their turf and it's, it's, it's unfortunate, um, that he does that. But I think,
00:37:36.440
well, to be honest, David, that's the reason why we started Juno news is the reason I started true
00:37:40.500
north because I lost faith in our politicians to lead the way. I think that, you know, in a large
00:37:46.740
part, if you look at what's happening in the United States with the resurgence of a conservative
00:37:50.640
movement, it's not just Donald Trump, right? Donald Trump is at the front, but there's an entire
00:37:55.020
ecosystem, everything from, you know, Charlie Kirk turning point, getting young Gen Z, uh,
00:38:00.920
conservatives out, uh, in numbers, you know, the daily wire, a huge successful media company,
00:38:05.660
Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly, all of these voices out there pushing the message. Like it can't, we
00:38:10.560
can't, we can't just rely on a political leader to do it. Cause at the end of the day, they're going
00:38:14.460
to do what they need to do to get elected. Um, we need kind of all hands on deck and as many
00:38:19.200
people and voices as we can. So, um, with that, I'm going to thank you for joining us and hopefully
00:38:24.280
we'll have you, uh, on the show back cause it's great to have a conversation with you.
00:38:28.200
Yeah, it was great to be with you, Candace and apologies for, I don't, I have no idea
00:38:32.200
what happened technically here, but, uh, uh, I'm grateful that I was able to get back
00:38:36.280
and I've enjoyed our conversation. Okay. All right. We'll have you back again soon. Thank
00:38:40.120
you so much. That's David Haskell, a professor and wow. Uh, go check out his piece in the American
00:38:45.280
conservative because, uh, you know, sometimes I wonder if there's any, uh, conservative thinkers,
00:38:51.080
uh, Christian people left in Canadian academic halls. And so it's, it's refreshing and nice
00:38:55.800
to find some and, and here and, and know that they're, you know, part of the people that
00:38:59.720
are, um, influencing the, the younger generation. Okay, folks, I want to get to this announcement
00:39:05.960
yesterday because this is just so typical of liberals. They love announcing gigantic, uh,
00:39:12.320
you know, uh, aspirational, uh, big goals that, you know, usually they just don't get anywhere,
00:39:18.160
but Justin Trudeau on his way out the door, you know, we're counting down the days until he
00:39:22.000
will finally leave, finally leave us alone. I mean, I don't know that the next, uh, the next
00:39:28.340
thing that we're going to get after Justin Trudeau is any better. It looks like Mark Carney is going
00:39:31.140
to be installed and probably go down the same path. But yesterday in Montreal, prime minister
00:39:36.340
Justin Trudeau announces a six year $3.9 billion plan officially named Alto to build a high speed
00:39:43.720
rail line Quebec, connecting Quebec city to Toronto. So here is what that looked like.
00:39:50.060
Today, I'm announcing the launch of Alto, the largest infrastructure project in Canadian history,
00:39:56.500
a high speed rail network between Quebec city and Toronto with stops in Montréal, Laval,
00:40:03.500
Montreal, Ottawa, and Peterborough. It'll span a thousand kilometers with a hundred percent
00:40:09.600
electric trains that will reach speeds of 300 kilometers an hour.
00:40:15.320
Sorry. In what world do you announce that you're resigning? And then like two days before you leave,
00:40:20.120
you announced the largest infrastructure program in Canadian history. Like what, what gives you the
00:40:26.200
power to do that? I get that you're prime minister, you're on your way out. Nobody wants you. You were
00:40:30.400
absolutely at the bottom of the polls, the lowest you've ever been. I think you had 16% of Canadians
00:40:35.780
willing to stand behind you. And here you are announcing a huge project. These are the kind
00:40:41.200
of things you announce at the beginning of your tenure so that you can get them done. Justin Trudeau,
00:40:45.020
so typical, announces it at the very end. So here he is saying that Alto will be a pan-Canadian
00:40:49.760
endeavor that will supercharge the entire economy. Don't you love their opinion of pan-Canadian? Pan-Canadian,
00:40:56.040
from Justin Trudeau's perspective, is Quebec city all the way to west to Toronto. So sorry,
00:41:01.960
rest of Canada. Canada ends at Toronto. Here's Justin Trudeau saying that. Alto will be a truly
00:41:08.560
pan-Canadian endeavor using expertise and resources from coast to coast to coast. It'll turbocharge
00:41:16.840
our entire economy, create tens of thousands of good paying jobs, and open new opportunities for
00:41:23.220
Canadian businesses at every lake of our supply chain. Again, pan-Canadian all the way from Toronto
00:41:30.520
to Quebec City. So here is what the train would look like. Here's a map. It would go from Toronto
00:41:36.260
to Peterborough to Ottawa to Montreal to Laval, Trois-Rivières, and finish in Quebec City. So
00:41:41.600
this is pan-Canadian folks from Justin Trudeau's perspective. That's the whole country. I want to
00:41:48.360
play this clip because this is so telling. So I'm going to play a clip of a Q&A that Justin Trudeau faced
00:41:54.340
at the end of this announcement. You can hear a French reporter, I believe with Radio Canada,
00:41:57.960
CBC French, asking Prime Minister Justin Trudeau how he will ensure that future governments won't
00:42:04.880
just cancel this, right? Because the idea is like he's literally on his way out the door. His time
00:42:09.680
at Prime Minister is over so he can announce this all he wants. It's really up to the next person
00:42:13.880
whether or not they actually want to spend this money. Hello, we're bankrupt. We don't have any
00:42:17.600
money. We are completely over budget. Everyone who is running to replace Justin Trudeau is talking
00:42:21.660
about cutting the government, cutting the budget. Even Mark Carney is out there at least saying that
00:42:26.720
he's going to try to balance the budget. You have to cut to do that because Justin Trudeau
00:42:30.160
has basically doubled Canada's spending. So like, where are you going to get this money?
00:42:34.080
Those aren't the questions that the mainstream media is asking. The mainstream media is asking,
00:42:37.840
oh, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, how will you use the system to make sure that your plan remains
00:42:44.300
in power even though you will no longer be Prime Minister? Let's play that clip.
00:42:47.540
Do we have that clip, Sean? Will there be any guarantees to make sure that if there's
00:42:55.780
a successor, well, you will have a successor, if there's a next government, let's say the
00:43:00.260
Conservatives, won't be able or it won't be easy for them to stop the project?
00:43:06.500
Listen, this high-speed rail in this country was always going to be a project that would
00:43:12.400
take long enough to build that it would cover multiple governments at all different orders
00:43:22.320
of government, from municipal to provincial to federal. And it takes a will and a determination
00:43:28.320
by a government to move forward and lock in this progress.
00:43:33.180
Yeah. So that's called a dictatorship, folks. So the journalist is teeing it up,
00:43:38.260
saying, how will you guarantee that this happens? Justin Trudeau says they're going to put contracts
00:43:41.780
in place, make sure things are signed so that a future government can't get out of it.
00:43:46.820
Yeah, that's not how it's supposed to work. A future government has authority to stop spending
00:43:52.960
money on wasteful projects if they see fit. Justin Trudeau doing everything they can. You know,
00:43:57.920
this reminds me of the high-speed rail project in California, because this is what I predict will
00:44:03.580
happen. I mean, it's already happened, folks. Look, it's been like 20 years since they promised to build
00:44:08.800
a cross-town LRT train line in Toronto, the Eglinton line. That thing has been under construction
00:44:14.600
for over a decade. It's nowhere near being complete. They can't even build a train, an LRT,
00:44:20.180
across Toronto. And yet we're supposed to believe that they're going to build one all the way up to
00:44:24.780
Quebec City. So in California, it's the exact same thing that's happening. So back in 2008,
00:44:29.960
California announced and agreed the voters approved to a measure that would put $10 billion towards a high-speed
00:44:38.020
rail project. It was supposed to go from Los Angeles to San Francisco. It was supposed to be
00:44:43.220
complete. By 2020, the estimated price tag was about $28 billion up to $35 billion. So just keep
00:44:49.840
in mind, Justin Trudeau says that his plan to build 1,000 kilometers of track will cost us $4 billion.
00:44:56.420
Even back in 2008, California, their train line is only 350 miles. They said it would cost about $35
00:45:03.120
billion. So 10x more than what Justin Trudeau says. And here we are in 2025, five years after
00:45:09.020
the California train was supposed to be completed. And it's nowhere close to being completed. It's
00:45:13.820
nowhere close to being completed. They basically abandoned the idea of doing it. And they've already
00:45:17.360
spent, listen to this, $128 billion in California. And they don't have the train line. They don't have
00:45:23.720
a train line. Here's a little explainer clip talking about what's happened in California.
00:45:27.760
November 4th, 2008, the people of California voted to fund this. A high-speed rail line.
00:45:36.180
Many countries around the world have had high-speed trains for decades. And this would be the U.S.'s
00:45:40.620
attempt to finally catch up. The train would whisk passengers from L.A. to San Francisco in under
00:45:46.360
three hours. And it was all set to open in 2020. Today, it's 2022. And California's high-speed rail
00:45:53.360
project is famous for being a disaster. It will be the most expensive project in state history.
00:45:58.960
A train that's going to nowhere. A train to nowhere. All that's there today is this one
00:46:02.620
section still under construction from Bakersfield to Merced. So rather than connecting two major
00:46:09.300
cities, it just connects two small towns along the way. They've spent $128 billion. And now even
00:46:14.280
Democrats, even Gavin Newsom is suggesting that he's going to abandon this absolute train wreck,
00:46:19.160
pardon the pun, of a project. And here we have Justin Trudeau just doing the exact same thing
00:46:23.540
out the door. It's so typical of liberals. They love these big projects. They have no idea how to
00:46:29.520
fund them. They have no idea how to carry them out. All they really care about is that, you know,
00:46:33.520
the contracts go to their friends and that they get some kind of legacy. No, Justin Trudeau.
00:46:37.940
Canadians don't want this. We need to, like, just completely ignore this because I don't think it
00:46:43.640
will ever happen. Okay, folks, I'm going to move on. I want to talk about the story that we broke
00:46:48.260
over at Juno News. This is our friends at True North, Alex Zoltan, who was a guest on the program
00:46:52.940
on Monday. He broke the story that suspects in Canada's largest gold heist are believed to be
00:46:58.180
living freely in India and Dubai. So nearly two years after a $20 million gold heist was pulled
00:47:05.580
off at Toronto Pearson's airport, the suspects still remain at large. So recently, CBC's Fifth Estate
00:47:13.940
attempted to track down some of the people who were involved and basically found that they have
00:47:19.460
warrants out for their arrest, but they're not in Canada anymore. They're living in Dubai. Other
00:47:24.300
suspects remain in Canada but on bail with no trial dates. One, there's one person that they caught and
00:47:31.200
they are in the U.S., in U.S. custody, facing charges. There is a total of nine suspects. We have a picture
00:47:38.100
of them here. These are the suspects who were charged in the spring of 2024. So you basically
00:47:45.640
have a bunch of people who look like they're from the Middle East and India. Not sure if any of them
00:47:50.400
are Canadian citizens or not, but it turns out that a lot of them are just living large and living their
00:47:56.740
lives in other parts of the world. You know, Canada, when it comes to our jail system, our police
00:48:06.360
system, it's a total joke. It's a total joke, a revolving door system. This is one thing that I
00:48:11.000
hope Pierre Polyev is serious about if he becomes prime minister, cracking down, issuing mandatory
00:48:16.100
minimums, putting people in prison who are repeat offenders, and deporting people who commit crimes
00:48:22.140
who are not Canadians. Okay, folks, I'm going to leave it at that. Thank you so much for joining us.
00:48:26.860
We have a very exciting special show for you tomorrow. I'm looking forward to that, and we'll be back
00:48:32.900
again tomorrow with all the news. Thank you so much. I'm Candace Malcolm. This is The Candace Malcolm Show.