The Candice Malcolm Show - Trudeau’s last SCANDAL on his way out the door

00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show. Thank you so much for joining us

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00:00:36.800 Again, it really helps us out. I want to talk about Justin Trudeau. I want to talk about

00:00:41.520 the gall of this man who announced back in early January that he was resigning. He said he was

00:00:47.520 resigning. He was stepping down. He wasn't going to lead us anymore. And now he just won't go away.

00:00:52.400 He inserts himself in the discussion with President Donald Trump. We know that the

00:00:56.960 reason, at least part of the reason, why Donald Trump is being so aggressive towards Canada is

00:01:01.920 because he doesn't like our Prime Minister. He doesn't like Justin Trudeau. Well, here we are

00:01:05.600 in the final days of Justin Trudeau's time as Prime Minister. And what does he do? He announces an

00:01:10.720 unbelievably large infrastructure project, which I promise you will go insanely over budget if it ever

00:01:16.960 gets completed. We're going to get into all of that. I also want to talk about an incredible story

00:01:23.040 that was broken by our friends over at True North, and you can find the story on Juno News,

00:01:27.760 about the gold heist suspects, the people who are presumed to have carried out that gold heist

00:01:33.760 that happened in Pearson Airport. They're not only still large, they're not even in Canada. There's

00:01:38.880 evidence now that suggests that they're just sort of living large in places like Dubai and India.

00:01:44.400 So we're going to talk about all of that. But to start off the show today, folks, I want to bring

00:01:49.600 in a person who I have tremendous respect for, Professor David Millard Haskell, who's an associate

00:01:55.280 professor at Wilfrid Laurier University. Prior to being a professor, he was actually in our realm,

00:02:00.640 he was a journalist, and he had a successful career working in the media for TVO and several other radio

00:02:07.840 stations and television stations. And he is also a current senior fellow, research fellow over at the

00:02:13.840 Aristotle Foundation. Sorry. So, David, thank you so much for joining the program today.

00:02:20.160 It's a pleasure.

00:02:20.800 So I saw one of the pieces that you had recently written with great interest over on an outlet

00:02:28.800 called The American Conservative. You have a piece called Invite Canada's Conservatives to Join America.

00:02:36.160 So I'm going to get you to walk us through this proposal. Before, just for the audience, let's show a clip

00:02:41.680 of President Trump making an offer about a united North America.

00:02:47.200 Canada and the United States, that would really be something. You get rid of that artificially drawn

00:02:53.680 line, and you take a look at what that looks like. And it would also be much better for national

00:02:58.880 security. Don't forget, we basically protect Canada.

00:03:01.360 So a lot of Canadians see that and hear that and feel terrified. Others, though, I think that

00:03:10.000 there's a significant percentage, I don't know if it's 10% or a quarter, it's up to 50%, especially

00:03:16.080 young men, that hear that and say, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I think that we might have

00:03:21.680 a better future if we're all one, one big united country. Very counter to what the elites and legacy

00:03:28.000 media and politicians basically have all stripes, it seems. But I found your piece interesting,

00:03:33.520 because you kind of get into into some of the details of why Americans might not want Canadians,

00:03:40.160 right? Why they might not want to absorb us. So why don't you tell us a little bit about what you wrote?

00:03:45.200 Well, what I do, Candace, is I look at three options that the Trump administration may want to

00:03:51.440 consider. And the first thing I talk about is that they probably wouldn't want all of Canada.

00:03:57.920 And I move in that direction, saying that if you if you look at Canada itself, we lean

00:04:03.360 politically to the left. And if it if the Trump administration were really trying to

00:04:09.920 bolster conservatism in the US, the worst thing they could do would be to bring all Canada on board.

00:04:16.800 So currently, we're at what about 41 million people. And if if this left leaning country,

00:04:25.200 which Canada is a 41 million people came in holus bolus into the US, that'd be like the equivalent of

00:04:31.360 the state of California. So what they'd see is about 45 to 48 new representatives in the lower

00:04:41.760 House of Congress, and then in the Senate, two more there. And it would decidedly tip the scales

00:04:48.560 toward really radical leftist ideology in the US. And Trump wouldn't want that. I mean,

00:04:55.600 could you imagine? They've just secured what we'd call a mega base, they've really got a mega foundation,

00:05:02.480 and it would be upended by absorbing all of Canada. So I kind of poo poo that idea. And they must be aware

00:05:09.280 of that, right? They must be. But we we also see that there seems to be a special relationship

00:05:15.040 between Daniel Smith, and also President Trump. I mean, she went down to Mar-a-Lago, and she was

00:05:21.680 chatting with him. We don't know what was actually said. But but she's holding her cards very close

00:05:27.280 to the chest. She's not she's not saying anything about going alone, or anything like that. But I make

00:05:34.160 that suggestion in my piece. I say, you know, from a strategic point of view, Trump might want to

00:05:42.000 consider making an overture to the province of Alberta. And I look at it like this. First of all,

00:05:51.600 they already do a lot of trading in terms of natural gas and oil, right? Like 80% of Alberta's

00:05:57.520 natural gas and oil goes to the US anyway. If Alberta were able to be that 51st state as opposed to

00:06:06.000 Canada, all Canada, there'd be some significant benefits economically there. There'd be no trade 0.58

00:06:13.040 barriers there. In addition, people in Alberta, I mean, even 60, 65% are really solidly conservative.

00:06:23.840 So again, that would benefit President Trump, he's going to get people in who are already aligned with

00:06:29.200 him ideologically. From the point of view of people in Alberta, we know that they're dissatisfied

00:06:35.680 with the arrangement, as it applies to equalization payments, for example, I mean, almost to the tune of

00:06:42.800 a couple billion every year. And most of that goes to provinces, while most of it goes to Quebec,

00:06:49.280 who doesn't even want pipelines, right? It must be so frustrating for people in Alberta to see the money

00:06:56.560 that is raised from their natural resources primarily go to a province that is trying to

00:07:03.520 ruin them financially. So, I mean, we know that within the province already, there's a real separatist

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00:07:44.480 Whoops. Did we lose you there, David? You're frozen on my end. Maybe it's me, though.

00:07:54.480 But we will try our best, folks, to get David back on. You know, what he was talking about kind of

00:07:59.760 reminds me a little bit of what Jordan Peterson said. Jordan Peterson had a recent piece in the

00:08:06.240 National Post where he basically just says, look, Canada has to offer a better deal to Alberta than

00:08:14.720 what Donald Trump is offering. Because Donald Trump, you know, love him or hate him, he is

00:08:20.400 making an offer to the Canadians that does appeal to many Canadians. Not all of them, not even a majority.

00:08:28.960 Like I said, it depends on what poll you're looking at. Anywhere between 10% to 15% of the country.

00:08:35.360 But it is interesting to even just think about, like, the demographics of the people. I watched a

00:08:40.640 Rebel video yesterday where the journalist was walking around Calgary asking people what they

00:08:45.600 thought about it. And downtown Calgary, I think he was on Stevens Avenue, it seemed like almost everyone

00:08:50.240 he was talking to was for the idea. Interesting. I was talking to some family friends in the GTA,

00:08:57.360 talking to people who are first generation Canadians, immigrants. And they basically said

00:09:02.160 everyone in their social circle likes the idea. They think, why not? Why not join the Americans?

00:09:08.240 They are a more prosperous country, richer country, lower taxes. If you take patriotism and love of

00:09:13.280 country out of the equation, and you just look at it in terms of what's the best for like my finances

00:09:19.840 and my family, it's hard to argue that Canada might not be better off with this offer. And

00:09:26.800 particularly Alberta, because as David was saying there, they haven't been treated very fairly,

00:09:33.760 very nicely in this confederation, in our Canadian Union. The idea that they get taxed and the

00:09:41.280 equalization system means that money from Alberta, excess money gets sent to other parts of the

00:09:46.320 country, poor parts of the country, places like Quebec and the Maritimes, where they don't have the

00:09:50.880 same attitude towards resource development towards pro-capitalism. They lean more towards big

00:09:56.400 government and socialism. So they get to waste the money and spend them on big projects and big

00:10:01.200 government. And Alberta is the one paying the bill. So it's such an interesting topic of conversation.

00:10:07.840 And we're still working to see if we can get David back on the line. But I want to talk a little bit about,

00:10:15.760 you know, just when it comes to Canada-US relations. The Canadian ambassador said that Canada's making

00:10:28.640 progress. So in an interview with CBC's Power and Politics, the Canadian ambassador to the US,

00:10:34.320 woman named Kristin Hillman, said that the president, US president, is pleased with Canada's progress,

00:10:40.400 pleased with the things that Justin Trudeau has done to try to protect the border, to try to crack down

00:10:45.360 on fentanyl, maybe appointing that fentanyl czar was a step in the right direction. So here is a clip

00:10:50.240 from Wednesday. The president was pleased with the announcements we made, but not only the

00:10:57.520 announcements, the progress that we are making in the fight against fentanyl, in the fight against

00:11:02.960 irregular migration, illegal migration. For example, illegal migration from Canada to the United States is

00:11:08.400 down 90 percent in recent months. And we have taken important measures with respect to the fight

00:11:14.720 against fentanyl. And that's not all she said. She also added that everybody that she is talking to

00:11:21.520 in Washington believes that Trump's March 4th deadline for the 25 percent tariffs on Canada is

00:11:28.400 tied to this effort. And so she believes that they are taking steps in the right direction. Maybe we will

00:11:33.360 avoid a trade war after all those play that clip. Everybody that we are talking to are saying that

00:11:39.200 the March 4th deadline is tied to continued efforts on our part and together with them to to fight in

00:11:47.040 particular the scourge of fentanyl. So are you getting signals then that we might get it reprieved

00:11:51.920 because we've had some success already at the border with fentanyl? So I'm getting signals that the

00:11:58.160 work that we are doing and the results that we are achieving is is well received. And

00:12:03.360 So on the one hand, we have the, you know, Trudeau administration, Trudeau government officials,

00:12:08.720 including the ambassador there, saying we're taking efforts. We're working with the Trump

00:12:12.640 administration. They're happy with our progress. We're doing the things that they want on the way

00:12:17.360 to hopefully avoiding a trade war. But then on the other hand, the Trudeau liberals, they just can't

00:12:22.640 resist, right? They can't help but trying to demonize Donald Trump, trying to undermine him,

00:12:27.440 using him as a political wedge in Canada. Because in Canada, we all know Trump isn't very popular,

00:12:32.160 especially in the center. Centrist Canadians, normal Canadians don't really like his style,

00:12:36.800 don't like Trump. And so it's a perfect wedge issue for the liberals. All they have to do is

00:12:41.760 compare conservatives in Canada to Trump, and it'll sufficiently scare centrist voters enough

00:12:46.640 to want to abandon the conservatives. So, you know, despite all the progress that they're supposedly

00:12:50.960 making in negotiating, the liberals released an attack ad framing Pierre Politev in negative light

00:12:59.280 and comparing him to Donald Trump, let's play that clip.

00:13:03.920 actuarial. Everything is broken. Everything is broken.

00:13:10.800 Fake news. Fake news. The left-wing censorship regime. Their woke censorship ideology. Defeating

00:13:16.720 the radical left. Radical leftist authoritarian. We want those great Canadian truckers to know that

00:13:23.280 We are with them all the way.

00:13:24.940 I'm proud of the truckers and I stand with them.

00:13:27.180 Have turned our once great cities into cesspools of bloodshed and crime.

00:13:31.440 Unleashed a crime wave like we have never seen.

00:13:39.360 So they can't help it.

00:13:40.740 They want to demonize Trump even at a moment when they're trying to negotiate with him.

00:13:46.780 This is a problem in Canada, right?

00:13:48.240 It's like there's so much of an incentive for the liberals to have a trade war.

00:13:52.520 The more that we're involved in a trade war, the more that they're telling the sort of center and normal Canadians to wrap themselves in the flag, be proud of Canadian, buy Canadian.

00:14:00.720 Anti-Americanism is on the rise.

00:14:02.160 That sentiment is actually good politically for the liberals.

00:14:04.780 So it seems like they would almost rather sacrifice the country and have a trade war rather than have mutual prosperity for all.

00:14:13.260 But, you know, have a potential conservative government back.

00:14:16.700 I think we have David Haskell back on the line.

00:14:19.800 And if we do, we can continue that conversation.

00:14:21.960 David, are you with us?

00:14:24.160 Can you hear me?

00:14:25.440 Yes, I can.

00:14:26.380 Oh, fantastic.

00:14:27.500 We had to go by phone.

00:14:28.820 I think that we've just seen, Candace, that somebody doesn't want this conversation to happen.

00:14:35.080 I think that it could be Trudeau trying to tamper with some of this stuff.

00:14:41.560 I wouldn't put it past them.

00:14:44.140 Pardon?

00:14:44.940 I said I wouldn't put it past them.

00:14:46.700 We know that they love censorship.

00:14:48.320 And actually, I covered this on the show yesterday.

00:14:50.680 Watching the sort of censorship regime that's happening in Europe, right?

00:14:53.900 The way that they crack down on, I mean, there was a 60 Minutes piece highlighting this idea that there's a police force in Germany that goes and raids your house and takes away your laptop and your phone if you post things that they deem to be insulting racists online.

00:15:08.540 It seemed like maybe a possible preview.

00:15:11.500 I'm sure that Justin Trudeau and his liberals would love to have powers like that.

00:15:15.280 But let's go back to your piece, David, because when you're off the line, I said, you know, Jordan Peterson had a piece in the National Post saying that Canada has to offer something better for Alberta because what Trump is offering could be appealing to a lot of Albertans.

00:15:33.300 And maybe it's time that Canada realizes that, wakes up and says, wow, we're really taking advantage of a certain part of the country.

00:15:39.700 What did you think of that?

00:15:41.500 Yeah, well, I was in agreement with Jordan on that.

00:15:44.520 One of the things that hasn't come up, and this is very Machiavellian, but I mean, all politics is Machiavellian.

00:15:51.340 One of the things that I've wondered about is why would the people surrounding Daniel Smith not say, shouldn't we be at least pretend that we're interested in this offer from Trump?

00:16:05.860 Or shouldn't we do a little bit of back channel to see what might be out there?

00:16:10.080 And the reason I say that is we know from history since the 1960s, the province of Quebec, the government of Quebec has been able to wrestle incredible additional rights and privileges from the Canadian Federation simply by saber rattling related to separation.

00:16:30.240 And so I get it, and I think it's noble and honorable that Alberta has not really gone that route.

00:16:37.840 But, you know, if you've got the world superpower on one knee holding a ring, maybe you can get a pretty nice proposal from the other suitor.

00:16:49.820 So I just, and again, this is Machiavellian, of course, but all politics is, and I wonder why the Alberta government hasn't at least, or maybe they are, maybe they are.

00:17:01.820 They really should, I think, examine their options.

00:17:04.840 And I only say this, listen, I'm not from Alberta.

00:17:06.660 I'm an Ontario guy.

00:17:09.380 And so I'm looking at this strictly from a political strategic point of view.

00:17:14.560 There are immense benefits that could come to Alberta were it to become the 51st state.

00:17:22.700 And, I mean, even Trump has mentioned that it'd be about a 60% reduction in taxes off the top.

00:17:31.600 They'd also not have to do equalization payments.

00:17:34.980 In the United States, the way that the states divvy things up, it's a much smaller pot.

00:17:41.840 There is sort of a collective pot that comes from state to state that they try to equal out the disadvantages in other states that are more poor, like Alabama, Missouri.

00:17:55.260 But it's nothing, nothing like we have in the equalization payments.

00:17:59.260 And those equalization payments, really, there's no motivation.

00:18:04.800 We haven't heard any kind of motivation from any of the party leaders at the top, whether it's Polyev or Trudeau, to ever adjust these things.

00:18:14.100 So it seems like same old, same old for people in Alberta.

00:18:17.500 So, again, there are some things that I'm interested in.

00:18:21.680 Are they happening in terms of back channel with Alberta?

00:18:24.480 Alberta, certainly there are avenues to explore there.

00:18:28.580 We were talking earlier.

00:18:30.100 I said that all Canada, probably it'd be a bad idea for Trump to absorb all Canada.

00:18:36.440 In my piece, Invite Conservatives to Become Americans, that appears in the American Conservative magazine.

00:18:44.200 The second thing I talked about was Alberta.

00:18:46.560 Maybe we want to talk about that third option that I also mentioned in the piece.

00:18:51.260 We haven't gone there yet, if that's all right with you, Candace.

00:18:53.680 Well, before we do, I want to just raise this concern because I think when Donald Trump first mentioned the 51st state, I'm thoroughly convinced it was a joke.

00:19:03.360 He was talking about how Wayne Gretzky should be the governor and basically kind of trying to troll our prime minister.

00:19:09.740 You could tell that they have a tense relationship, let's put it that way.

00:19:14.020 And then it seemed like the more that he said it out loud and the more reaction he got, he kind of leaned into it.

00:19:20.700 Like, I don't know that he's literal.

00:19:22.100 I don't know that he is.

00:19:23.320 I think that he's serious about having a better deal.

00:19:26.000 He doesn't understand why Canada doesn't have a proper military, why, you know, there's so much protection that happens from the American perspective.

00:19:33.900 For me, it makes sense because, you know, why would we rebuild our own military when they have one right there?

00:19:39.280 We should probably work more closely with them.

00:19:41.720 We should follow their guidance in terms of securing our border and fixing our broken immigration system and cracking down. 0.99

00:19:47.420 But I didn't think that he was literal because of some of the questions that you raised.

00:19:52.560 Like, I don't think that any right-minded Republican president would want to invite 40 million potentially left-wing Democrats into the country.

00:20:01.580 I don't think that they would want to have two more Democratic senators, which Canada would pretty much always have.

00:20:06.840 And so, you know, when you get into the kind of like real nitty-gritty of it, a political union, it doesn't make sense for the Americans.

00:20:12.940 I think that Canadians are too, you know, well, our entire country was built on the idea that we're not Americans, that we wanted to stop, you know, we wanted to remain loyal to the crown and not participate in the revolution.

00:20:25.820 So it seems like, you know, it seems like a hard fit to make this a political union.

00:20:30.560 And so I think the pieces, the issues that you raise in your piece are correct.

00:20:35.340 But then that leads to the question for you, David, do you think Trump is literal?

00:20:38.980 Do you think that he literally wants to absorb Canada, invade, or, you know, create this union in a literal way?

00:20:46.580 No, no, no.

00:20:47.140 And you've hit all the main points that I would raise, Candace.

00:20:50.200 Definitely, he did start out and he was trolling.

00:20:53.020 He was joking around.

00:20:54.840 But I think that it caught some wind in that sale.

00:21:00.340 And he thought, wait a minute.

00:21:02.620 There's some, there's some, okay, he said, I don't want to buy the farm.

00:21:07.180 But I wouldn't mind rustling a few of the cattle.

00:21:11.020 And in his art of the deal, I mean, this is a guy who wrote a book all about negotiation.

00:21:16.580 And he basically says, say crazy things at the start.

00:21:22.280 And see, it's sort of like shake the tree and see which apples drop.

00:21:27.120 And so he was probably looking for the reaction and he's gotten some reaction.

00:21:31.020 And that's his negotiation strategy.

00:21:34.800 And we did see him move back a little bit when he instituted the tariffs in February.

00:21:39.980 And then he said, well, you know, I've seen some action on your border that you're trying to secure your border.

00:21:45.000 You're trying to take care of the fentanyl problem.

00:21:48.360 And so he said, let's move that deadline.

00:21:50.460 So we know that he is looking for some very specific things as well.

00:21:55.020 But to your point, yeah, he is, he's testing the waters.

00:22:00.680 He's putting something up the flagpole.

00:22:02.660 See who salutes.

00:22:03.500 He's, he's really, he, I don't think he had a great game plan.

00:22:08.320 But then we look at his speech that he gave in January, his inauguration speech.

00:22:13.760 He made a point of saying, we are going to expand as a nation.

00:22:19.840 Now, would that have been in there if there hadn't been some kind of buzz happening around

00:22:28.780 his 51st state comments behind, around his Panama comments, around his Greenland comments?

00:22:36.620 And he was getting some positive feedback on Greenland.

00:22:40.540 Politically in the U.S., his comments about Panama were well received.

00:22:45.100 In Canada, we didn't receive his idea of the 51st state generally as well.

00:22:50.620 But there were probably people around him saying, you know, see what happens.

00:22:55.260 See what, see what apples fall.

00:22:57.660 But, but all this is to say that in his inauguration address, he actually makes a point of saying,

00:23:03.200 we are an expanding nation again.

00:23:07.340 So that, that to me signals something.

00:23:11.700 Yeah, I, I tend to agree.

00:23:14.140 I think that, well, I think it's pretty obvious that Justin Trudeau has done tremendous damage

00:23:18.940 to our country and not just our country, like our society, our culture.

00:23:22.460 It feels fractured.

00:23:23.700 It doesn't feel like we're bound by unity or a shared sense of belief in our country.

00:23:29.660 You know, everything from the economics to the immigration to national unity.

00:23:34.460 Like, I don't think that, you know, there's a flaring Quebec separatist movement in the Alberta

00:23:38.820 or Western separatist movement has just gotten stronger over the last 10 years.

00:23:42.700 Like, our country's broken.

00:23:43.900 We can't build a pipeline.

00:23:45.080 We can't build infrastructure projects.

00:23:47.540 Trudeau on his way out the door is promising, you know, a multi-billion dollar train, which

00:23:51.400 I predict will never get built.

00:23:53.820 But, you know, now would be the time, you know, from, from, from the outside.

00:23:59.360 Anyway, it seems like America is pretty united around Donald Trump.

00:24:02.880 They're pretty excited.

00:24:03.680 He's promising a golden age.

00:24:05.000 And even, you know, people in, in tech in the Silicon Valley who are notoriously left-wing

00:24:10.040 and Democrat, you know, even a fraction of those people are excited.

00:24:13.800 You see people across the country kind of leaning into their excitement over this fresh

00:24:19.020 start that they're having in the United States.

00:24:20.760 And then meanwhile, in Canada, we have this like sad, broken system where we're about to

00:24:25.700 have a prime minister basically installed from the World Economic Forum to be like a trustee

00:24:32.180 here and, you know, now would be the time.

00:24:36.120 And, and I do think that outside of the political, whoops, outside of the political bubble of like

00:24:41.140 everyone in all the parties kind of agrees that you have to double down on Canada, Canada,

00:24:46.620 Canada, if you, if you talk to like normal people and, and, and I mentioned this, you know,

00:24:52.360 people who are hyperpolitical, I think the idea of joining the U S might actually seem appealing

00:24:57.620 because they are, you know, lower taxes for your economy, more choice, more, you know,

00:25:03.460 options in terms of where to live and, you know, what everything from like cell phone companies

00:25:08.540 to airlines, like there's just a lot more choice in the United States.

00:25:12.240 So it's like, what are we holding onto?

00:25:14.520 And, and, and particularly I worry about new Canadians, people who have, who have, you know, 0.95

00:25:18.520 first generation who, who haven't grown up being Canadian or don't have a Canadian bloodline

00:25:22.280 that they, that they have even less of an attachment to this country.

00:25:26.460 Right.

00:25:27.040 Well, you, you've mentioned something that's I think pretty important.

00:25:31.040 And it's the reasons, what are the reasons that someone would favor Canada?

00:25:38.160 You know, what is it that we talk, Polly has been talking about Canada being broken.

00:25:45.660 So I think that, that there's something in that, that Canada is broken, but there's a part

00:25:50.460 of it that can't be fixed. And I think that there are people, normal people, you call them

00:25:55.300 normal people who are looking at the things that can't be fixed in Canada. And then they're

00:26:00.880 saying, maybe given that it can't be fixed, maybe we do have to look at this other option.

00:26:06.880 And so the thing that can't be fixed is our constitution. And I mentioned this in my piece.

00:26:13.200 I say that people, particularly those, what we'll call the hardcore conservatives who have been

00:26:20.080 in the freedom movement. So those people are the people who were objecting to the COVID mandates.

00:26:25.860 These are the people who are appearing before their school boards and are talking about radical

00:26:31.520 gender ideology. These are the people who are doing public protests related to any number of radical

00:26:39.740 leftist ideologies. So they've got skin in the game, right? We'll call them the freedom movement.

00:26:44.480 Well, those people have noticed that our constitution doesn't support them. Our constitution is broken.

00:26:51.020 So our constitution, part one of our constitution is our charter of rights and freedoms. A lot of

00:26:56.120 people don't understand that our constitution is two parts. It was adapted or adopted in 1982. And the

00:27:02.760 first part is the charter. And the charter says what your rights are supposed to be and how they're

00:27:08.560 supposed to be. It's supposed to be given to you. Well, our charter is rigged. I say rigged, meaning

00:27:15.560 it is against freedom. It is for identity politics and is actually against the promotion of Western

00:27:25.520 culture. And it's, and it's written right into it. And, and if you are someone in the freedom movement,

00:27:32.420 if you are a true conservative who has skin in the game and you've been speaking out against these

00:27:37.100 things, you've seen that you've seen that the very rules of the game, the things that actually,

00:27:43.860 uh, the, the rule book, the guidebook for our country is written in such a way that you cannot

00:27:50.060 win. And I'll get very specific about this. So section one of our charter, uh, says, well,

00:27:57.840 section two, first of all, section two gives you the rights. It says you have the right to freedom of

00:28:01.900 religion. Uh, you have the right to assembly, the right to freedom of expression. That all sounds

00:28:07.640 really good. But section one of our charter says that every one of those rights can be taken away

00:28:15.780 if it's justified in a free and democratic society. And, and you think, okay, well, as long as it's,

00:28:25.300 it's justified in a free and democratic society, well, what we've seen is that most of our judges

00:28:31.920 have been appointed by the liberals. And those liberal judges have suggested that what's justified,

00:28:39.780 it sure looks more like it would be justified in a communist country than a democratic country.

00:28:45.940 And I can give you some examples. Uh, we could look at during the COVID mandates,

00:28:50.540 big box stores, Walmart was allowed to be open. Home Depot was allowed to be opened,

00:28:56.760 but conservative Christian churches who wanted to stay open, when they went to court, they were told,

00:29:02.400 sorry, your right to freedom of assembly, your right to freedom of religion. It has no standing 0.94

00:29:09.340 because we judges are saying that in a free and democratic society, the quashing of your rights

00:29:15.400 is justified. We could go a little bit in the past. We could look at the decision for the Trinity

00:29:19.780 Western law school. So Trinity Western university is a Christian university. They wanted to launch a

00:29:25.480 law school. Uh, but the law societies of British Columbia and Ontario said, no, that law school

00:29:34.100 will actually make people unsafe. It will make society unsafe because it's going to insist upon

00:29:39.700 Christian values. They made that argument. It went to the Supreme court. The Supreme court said,

00:29:44.780 we agree with the law societies. And therefore the Christians, the conservative Christians at

00:29:52.160 Trinity Western were told you can't have a law school. Uh, if we go back to really the beginning

00:29:58.780 of when the charter was used in order to suppress the rights of conservatives, we could look at a case

00:30:03.640 of a Christian printer in Toronto, Scott Brockie, who wanted to, sorry, he wanted to refuse a client.

00:30:12.720 He said, my Christian values do not allow me to print what you want me to print. He even said,

00:30:19.100 you can go somewhere else. Well, the client took him to court and the court said, sorry, you don't have

00:30:26.900 the right to your Christian values in your business. And they based it on section, uh, fit, sorry, section

00:30:33.880 one of the charter that said, we can pull any of these rights that are shown in section two, as long as we

00:30:41.340 can justify it in a free and democratic society. So for someone who is a true conservative, someone

00:30:48.460 with skin in the game and they're in Canada, they'll look across the border to the United States

00:30:53.100 where their bill of rights, rights talks about inalienable rights. Their constitution talks

00:30:58.000 about inalienable rights. And we've seen in case after case, they're actually upheld.

00:31:02.300 Right. Well, it's interesting, David, because I think there's an argument, a long argument,

00:31:07.340 um, on the conservative side of spectrum of like, who has the better system. And I think

00:31:11.400 many people, even, even conservative Canadians at one point argued that Canada has, I mean, Canada,

00:31:18.220 the reason that we didn't join the American revolution is because we were too conservative.

00:31:21.940 We, we didn't want that kind of change. We, we believed in, you know, steady, stable power and

00:31:28.180 governance. And, you know, the idea of a monarchy, you know, we would never design this kind of

00:31:32.900 government from scratch, but we have it. And it seems to work in, in some way. Uh, I, I don't hear

00:31:38.380 conservatives making that argument. I think you're right that post COVID post some of these decisions

00:31:42.460 that have happened, it's impossible to argue that our system upholds freedom, um, better than the

00:31:47.560 American. I think American system is full of flaws as well. Um, but just to bring it back to the 0.84

00:31:52.140 piece that you wrote, um, I wonder, you know, if, if Donald Trump were to read this piece and say,

00:31:56.600 yeah, that's a great idea, why don't we just invite all of the conservatives or all of the, um,

00:32:01.680 Albertans, uh, to join America, what, what, what would be left in Canada? I mean, I, I think that it would

00:32:06.400 be a pretty scary place to live if, if we kind of, you know, the people who were committed to freedom,

00:32:11.080 the people who were the, the small business owners and the people with Christian values and family

00:32:15.920 values, uh, got up and left. I, I, I would be kind of terrified as to what would be, uh, left and what

00:32:21.720 would happen to this country. I think that you wouldn't see everybody leave. Um, and what you're

00:32:27.720 describing is an Atlas shrugged movement, uh, Atlas shrugged moment, right? Um, when we read the book

00:32:33.960 by Rand about, uh, who is John Galt and there's this movement where all the people who are really,

00:32:40.520 in this case, the libertarians leave society, society basically crumbles. And I think you might

00:32:45.380 have something there, but of course, many of these people who are what I'd call the true

00:32:49.360 conservatives, they'd stay because they're natural born fighters. They've been fighting

00:32:53.180 from the beginning. They've got skin in the game. They're not going to leave, but let's say if some

00:32:57.660 of them did and the best estimate for the freedom movement of people with skin in the game, probably

00:33:04.180 a good proxy for that is how many people refuse to get vaccinated. How many people refuse to get,

00:33:10.480 uh, wear masks, how many people stood up publicly. It's probably about 10% of the population.

00:33:15.860 So you're probably talking about 4 million people and that's a, uh, about the size of Oklahoma.

00:33:22.860 So, you know, not a, not a shabby number of people. Could the United States absorb that

00:33:28.740 very comfortably, very comfortably. And in my piece, I suggest to the Trump administration,

00:33:35.340 if they'll ever read this piece, that what they could do is actually create almost like a refugee 0.95

00:33:42.140 visa. So they've done it for other countries where there's a persecuted class. Well, you could make 0.95

00:33:49.760 the case, you could definitely make the case that in Canada, those people who are part of the freedom

00:33:54.680 movement, those people who are truly public in their conservative values are a persecuted minority.

00:34:01.320 I mean, from job loss to, to court cases, uh, to any number of, of public trials that they have to

00:34:09.740 endure, there is an argument to be made there. And if Trump were to say, okay, let's bring those people

00:34:16.680 in. Definitely. That is a form of expansionism. Now he was talking about geographic expansion,

00:34:24.020 but what about demographic expansion? You bring in those people who are already very much aligned

00:34:32.360 with what we'd say is the conservative movement in the U S the hardcore conservative movement in the

00:34:37.980 U S that could be a real benefit. Certainly the people in Canada who would be willing to,

00:34:43.420 to take that up, they'd benefit as well from lower taxes and, and from being in a place where you're

00:34:49.580 not the odd, odd duck anymore. And by that, even, even conservatives, uh, who are sort of party

00:34:59.000 adherents, they, they adhere to a party with conservative in their name. If they're a true

00:35:03.160 conservative, they don't fit in. I mean, the, the, the elites in their party actually disparage them.

00:35:10.320 They, they're embarrassed by them and they certainly don't speak out on the issues that are close to

00:35:16.200 them. And by that, I mean, look at our conservative leaders, uh, our most populous province is Ontario.

00:35:22.320 Doug Ford is the, ostensibly the head of the conservatives in Ontario. And he doesn't talk

00:35:29.720 about cultural issues at all. In fact, he abets what we would see as the most radical of leftist

00:35:36.740 policies in our education system. So we've got that. We've got Polly of who, who I understand,

00:35:42.960 listen, strategically from a strategic point of view, if you're in the lead, you say less winning,

00:35:49.160 say less. I get it. But man, doesn't he realize that the way that you open that Overton window,

00:35:56.780 the way that you make things permissible for discussion is by discussing them.

00:36:02.480 A leader leads at some point, you actually have to say the things. And I talked to friends of mine

00:36:09.100 who are deeply embedded in the federal conservatives and they say, Oh yeah. Oh yeah. You should hear what

00:36:15.760 he whispers about. And I'm just tired of the whispering. I, I think that, um, the reason that

00:36:23.160 in Canada we have so little support for conservative ideas is because our conservative leaders won't talk

00:36:30.360 about them. And so we, we find ourself in this catch 22. You actually have to begin talking about

00:36:37.720 things, uh, things that are relegated to the private sphere sphere will die in the public sphere.

00:36:44.480 You're right. You know, I listened to Pierre Polyev's Canada first, uh, rally on Saturday night.

00:36:49.980 And we actually did a deep dive, uh, on the show yesterday with Barbara Kaye. Barbara Kaye really

00:36:54.900 liked the speech and she walked us through it from her perspective. And I agree. I think that if you

00:37:00.020 look at it deeply, you can see a lot of things that would make conservatives happy. But then,

00:37:05.460 you know, on the surface, what, what, what, what you're really seeing is I can, I can be the

00:37:10.560 liberals more than the liberals. Look, I love the flag. I love Canada. I'm going to defend it. Like,

00:37:14.900 like kind of almost copying what they're focused on. Right. Instead of, instead of the election being

00:37:19.820 focused on how broken Canada is from Justin Trudeau, it's now focused on, um, who could, who can

00:37:25.840 be the better negotiator with Trump who could stand up against tariffs better. And it is, it's kind of

00:37:31.620 like playing on their turf and it's, it's, it's unfortunate, um, that he does that. But I think,

00:37:36.440 well, to be honest, David, that's the reason why we started Juno news is the reason I started true

00:37:40.500 north because I lost faith in our politicians to lead the way. I think that, you know, in a large

00:37:46.740 part, if you look at what's happening in the United States with the resurgence of a conservative

00:37:50.640 movement, it's not just Donald Trump, right? Donald Trump is at the front, but there's an entire

00:37:55.020 ecosystem, everything from, you know, Charlie Kirk turning point, getting young Gen Z, uh, 0.70

00:38:00.920 conservatives out, uh, in numbers, you know, the daily wire, a huge successful media company,

00:38:05.660 Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly, all of these voices out there pushing the message. Like it can't, we

00:38:10.560 can't, we can't just rely on a political leader to do it. Cause at the end of the day, they're going

00:38:14.460 to do what they need to do to get elected. Um, we need kind of all hands on deck and as many

00:38:19.200 people and voices as we can. So, um, with that, I'm going to thank you for joining us and hopefully

00:38:24.280 we'll have you, uh, on the show back cause it's great to have a conversation with you.

00:38:28.200 Yeah, it was great to be with you, Candace and apologies for, I don't, I have no idea

00:38:32.200 what happened technically here, but, uh, uh, I'm grateful that I was able to get back

00:38:36.280 and I've enjoyed our conversation. Okay. All right. We'll have you back again soon. Thank

00:38:40.120 you so much. That's David Haskell, a professor and wow. Uh, go check out his piece in the American

00:38:45.280 conservative because, uh, you know, sometimes I wonder if there's any, uh, conservative thinkers,

00:38:51.080 uh, Christian people left in Canadian academic halls. And so it's, it's refreshing and nice 0.99

00:38:55.800 to find some and, and here and, and know that they're, you know, part of the people that

00:38:59.720 are, um, influencing the, the younger generation. Okay, folks, I want to get to this announcement

00:39:05.960 yesterday because this is just so typical of liberals. They love announcing gigantic, uh,

00:39:12.320 you know, uh, aspirational, uh, big goals that, you know, usually they just don't get anywhere,

00:39:18.160 but Justin Trudeau on his way out the door, you know, we're counting down the days until he

00:39:22.000 will finally leave, finally leave us alone. I mean, I don't know that the next, uh, the next

00:39:28.340 thing that we're going to get after Justin Trudeau is any better. It looks like Mark Carney is going

00:39:31.140 to be installed and probably go down the same path. But yesterday in Montreal, prime minister

00:39:36.340 Justin Trudeau announces a six year $3.9 billion plan officially named Alto to build a high speed

00:39:43.720 rail line Quebec, connecting Quebec city to Toronto. So here is what that looked like.

00:39:50.060 Today, I'm announcing the launch of Alto, the largest infrastructure project in Canadian history,

00:39:56.500 a high speed rail network between Quebec city and Toronto with stops in Montréal, Laval,

00:40:03.500 Montreal, Ottawa, and Peterborough. It'll span a thousand kilometers with a hundred percent

00:40:09.600 electric trains that will reach speeds of 300 kilometers an hour.

00:40:15.320 Sorry. In what world do you announce that you're resigning? And then like two days before you leave,

00:40:20.120 you announced the largest infrastructure program in Canadian history. Like what, what gives you the

00:40:26.200 power to do that? I get that you're prime minister, you're on your way out. Nobody wants you. You were

00:40:30.400 absolutely at the bottom of the polls, the lowest you've ever been. I think you had 16% of Canadians

00:40:35.780 willing to stand behind you. And here you are announcing a huge project. These are the kind

00:40:41.200 of things you announce at the beginning of your tenure so that you can get them done. Justin Trudeau,

00:40:45.020 so typical, announces it at the very end. So here he is saying that Alto will be a pan-Canadian

00:40:49.760 endeavor that will supercharge the entire economy. Don't you love their opinion of pan-Canadian? Pan-Canadian,

00:40:56.040 from Justin Trudeau's perspective, is Quebec city all the way to west to Toronto. So sorry,

00:41:01.960 rest of Canada. Canada ends at Toronto. Here's Justin Trudeau saying that. Alto will be a truly

00:41:08.560 pan-Canadian endeavor using expertise and resources from coast to coast to coast. It'll turbocharge

00:41:16.840 our entire economy, create tens of thousands of good paying jobs, and open new opportunities for

00:41:23.220 Canadian businesses at every lake of our supply chain. Again, pan-Canadian all the way from Toronto

00:41:30.520 to Quebec City. So here is what the train would look like. Here's a map. It would go from Toronto

00:41:36.260 to Peterborough to Ottawa to Montreal to Laval, Trois-Rivières, and finish in Quebec City. So

00:41:41.600 this is pan-Canadian folks from Justin Trudeau's perspective. That's the whole country. I want to

00:41:48.360 play this clip because this is so telling. So I'm going to play a clip of a Q&A that Justin Trudeau faced

00:41:54.340 at the end of this announcement. You can hear a French reporter, I believe with Radio Canada,

00:41:57.960 CBC French, asking Prime Minister Justin Trudeau how he will ensure that future governments won't

00:42:04.880 just cancel this, right? Because the idea is like he's literally on his way out the door. His time

00:42:09.680 at Prime Minister is over so he can announce this all he wants. It's really up to the next person

00:42:13.880 whether or not they actually want to spend this money. Hello, we're bankrupt. We don't have any

00:42:17.600 money. We are completely over budget. Everyone who is running to replace Justin Trudeau is talking

00:42:21.660 about cutting the government, cutting the budget. Even Mark Carney is out there at least saying that

00:42:26.720 he's going to try to balance the budget. You have to cut to do that because Justin Trudeau

00:42:30.160 has basically doubled Canada's spending. So like, where are you going to get this money?

00:42:34.080 Those aren't the questions that the mainstream media is asking. The mainstream media is asking,

00:42:37.840 oh, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, how will you use the system to make sure that your plan remains

00:42:44.300 in power even though you will no longer be Prime Minister? Let's play that clip.

00:42:47.540 Do we have that clip, Sean? Will there be any guarantees to make sure that if there's

00:42:55.780 a successor, well, you will have a successor, if there's a next government, let's say the

00:43:00.260 Conservatives, won't be able or it won't be easy for them to stop the project?

00:43:06.500 Listen, this high-speed rail in this country was always going to be a project that would

00:43:12.400 take long enough to build that it would cover multiple governments at all different orders

00:43:22.320 of government, from municipal to provincial to federal. And it takes a will and a determination

00:43:28.320 by a government to move forward and lock in this progress.

00:43:33.180 Yeah. So that's called a dictatorship, folks. So the journalist is teeing it up,

00:43:38.260 saying, how will you guarantee that this happens? Justin Trudeau says they're going to put contracts

00:43:41.780 in place, make sure things are signed so that a future government can't get out of it.

00:43:46.820 Yeah, that's not how it's supposed to work. A future government has authority to stop spending

00:43:52.960 money on wasteful projects if they see fit. Justin Trudeau doing everything they can. You know,

00:43:57.920 this reminds me of the high-speed rail project in California, because this is what I predict will

00:44:03.580 happen. I mean, it's already happened, folks. Look, it's been like 20 years since they promised to build

00:44:08.800 a cross-town LRT train line in Toronto, the Eglinton line. That thing has been under construction

00:44:14.600 for over a decade. It's nowhere near being complete. They can't even build a train, an LRT,

00:44:20.180 across Toronto. And yet we're supposed to believe that they're going to build one all the way up to

00:44:24.780 Quebec City. So in California, it's the exact same thing that's happening. So back in 2008,

00:44:29.960 California announced and agreed the voters approved to a measure that would put $10 billion towards a high-speed

00:44:38.020 rail project. It was supposed to go from Los Angeles to San Francisco. It was supposed to be

00:44:43.220 complete. By 2020, the estimated price tag was about $28 billion up to $35 billion. So just keep

00:44:49.840 in mind, Justin Trudeau says that his plan to build 1,000 kilometers of track will cost us $4 billion.

00:44:56.420 Even back in 2008, California, their train line is only 350 miles. They said it would cost about $35

00:45:03.120 billion. So 10x more than what Justin Trudeau says. And here we are in 2025, five years after

00:45:09.020 the California train was supposed to be completed. And it's nowhere close to being completed. It's

00:45:13.820 nowhere close to being completed. They basically abandoned the idea of doing it. And they've already

00:45:17.360 spent, listen to this, $128 billion in California. And they don't have the train line. They don't have

00:45:23.720 a train line. Here's a little explainer clip talking about what's happened in California.

00:45:27.760 November 4th, 2008, the people of California voted to fund this. A high-speed rail line.

00:45:36.180 Many countries around the world have had high-speed trains for decades. And this would be the U.S.'s

00:45:40.620 attempt to finally catch up. The train would whisk passengers from L.A. to San Francisco in under

00:45:46.360 three hours. And it was all set to open in 2020. Today, it's 2022. And California's high-speed rail

00:45:53.360 project is famous for being a disaster. It will be the most expensive project in state history.

00:45:58.960 A train that's going to nowhere. A train to nowhere. All that's there today is this one

00:46:02.620 section still under construction from Bakersfield to Merced. So rather than connecting two major

00:46:09.300 cities, it just connects two small towns along the way. They've spent $128 billion. And now even

00:46:14.280 Democrats, even Gavin Newsom is suggesting that he's going to abandon this absolute train wreck,

00:46:19.160 pardon the pun, of a project. And here we have Justin Trudeau just doing the exact same thing

00:46:23.540 out the door. It's so typical of liberals. They love these big projects. They have no idea how to

00:46:29.520 fund them. They have no idea how to carry them out. All they really care about is that, you know,

00:46:33.520 the contracts go to their friends and that they get some kind of legacy. No, Justin Trudeau.

00:46:37.940 Canadians don't want this. We need to, like, just completely ignore this because I don't think it

00:46:43.640 will ever happen. Okay, folks, I'm going to move on. I want to talk about the story that we broke

00:46:48.260 over at Juno News. This is our friends at True North, Alex Zoltan, who was a guest on the program

00:46:52.940 on Monday. He broke the story that suspects in Canada's largest gold heist are believed to be

00:46:58.180 living freely in India and Dubai. So nearly two years after a $20 million gold heist was pulled

00:47:05.580 off at Toronto Pearson's airport, the suspects still remain at large. So recently, CBC's Fifth Estate

00:47:13.940 attempted to track down some of the people who were involved and basically found that they have

00:47:19.460 warrants out for their arrest, but they're not in Canada anymore. They're living in Dubai. Other

00:47:24.300 suspects remain in Canada but on bail with no trial dates. One, there's one person that they caught and

00:47:31.200 they are in the U.S., in U.S. custody, facing charges. There is a total of nine suspects. We have a picture

00:47:38.100 of them here. These are the suspects who were charged in the spring of 2024. So you basically

00:47:45.640 have a bunch of people who look like they're from the Middle East and India. Not sure if any of them

00:47:50.400 are Canadian citizens or not, but it turns out that a lot of them are just living large and living their

00:47:56.740 lives in other parts of the world. You know, Canada, when it comes to our jail system, our police

00:48:06.360 system, it's a total joke. It's a total joke, a revolving door system. This is one thing that I

00:48:11.000 hope Pierre Polyev is serious about if he becomes prime minister, cracking down, issuing mandatory

00:48:16.100 minimums, putting people in prison who are repeat offenders, and deporting people who commit crimes

00:48:22.140 who are not Canadians. Okay, folks, I'm going to leave it at that. Thank you so much for joining us. 0.99

00:48:26.860 We have a very exciting special show for you tomorrow. I'm looking forward to that, and we'll be back

00:48:32.900 again tomorrow with all the news. Thank you so much. I'm Candace Malcolm. This is The Candace Malcolm Show.

00:48:36.580 Thank you, and God bless.

The Candice Malcolm Show - February 20, 2025

Trudeau’s last SCANDAL on his way out the door

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