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- June 10, 2022
Trudeau’s narrative on the use of the Emergencies Act continues to crumble
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The Trudeau government's narrative about its decision to invoke the Emergencies Act
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continues to crumble, and poly of derangement syndrome reaches a new level in the legacy
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media.
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It's Fake News Friday, I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.
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Hi everyone, thank you so much for tuning into the podcast this week, and as usual,
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I am joined by my colleague Harrison Faulkner, producer at True North and a journalist as
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well.
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Harrison, welcome to the program.
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Thanks for having me, Candice.
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So we have a couple of announcements, some big changes, big news happening here at True
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North.
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We continue to grow, we continue to reach more and more Canadians every single week, every
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single month.
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The growth that we've seen so far in 2020 is truly astonishing.
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We've nearly doubled our size since last year, and last year was also a great year for us.
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We covered the election, we continue to grow, we hit all kinds of things.
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So we just continue to grow.
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I think there's so many Canadians out there who have an appetite for something different
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from the legacy media.
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They like the independence of True North.
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They don't want to have talking points crammed down their throat, and they see that there
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is something wrong with the way that the media tells a story.
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So just to say we're really happy with the direction True North is going, and again, to
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the audience, people tuning in, just thank you so much for your support, for continuing
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to tune in, to share our stories, those who financially support us.
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We are incredibly grateful.
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We receive all of our money from our viewers.
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We don't take money from the government.
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We don't take the Trudeau government's bailout grants.
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We're not involved in any of those schemes.
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So the way that we are funded is entirely by people who appreciate our journalism, enjoy
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our reports, and put their wallets where they're, back it up with their wallets.
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And we truly do appreciate that.
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So Harrison, we have a couple of new podcasts that we are introducing.
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Folks might have seen Rupa Subramania.
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She launched her own podcast.
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We're incredibly overjoyed to be joined by her at the network.
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She's a writer over at the National Post and a freelance journalist, and she does some
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great work.
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She lives in Ottawa, and she covered the Trekker Convoy, I think, better than just about anybody.
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So she had her first episode this week.
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If you haven't tuned in already, go check that out right after you watch this show.
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It was really, really great.
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She talked about the World Economic Forum and sort of drilling down into what they do,
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what they want to do.
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And same with the World Health Organization, talking about these two supposedly taboo topics
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that we're not supposed to talk about.
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These really, you know, powerful lobby groups, essentially, that want to coordinate global
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policy.
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So Rupa does a deep dive into that.
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And then we're really pleased yesterday to release another brand new show.
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This one hosted by you, Harrison.
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Harrison Faulkner, Ratioed.
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So why don't you tell us a little bit about your new show, Harrison?
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Yeah, so it is basically going to be a social media commentary show.
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We're going to go into some of the worst takes of the week, some of the cringiest social media
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posts.
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We're going to laugh, make fun of some of these posts, and we're also going to provide some
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much-needed commentary.
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I made this point on the show yesterday, Candice, that social media really is the new cultural
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battleground for these issues.
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And I think True North recognizes that and wants to make sure that our audience can get
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some good coverage on what's going on on these social media feeds.
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Because, I mean, there's just so much content.
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As you know, when we have this show every week, we pretty much have too much content to get
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into.
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So we're going to try and tackle that issue by creating this new show, Ratioed.
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So I'm super excited to have the opportunity and really looking forward to having the show
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grow and be a serious part of what we offer here at True North.
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Well, we're all really excited about it, Harrison.
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You're part of Generation Z, or I don't know what you call yourselves, Gen Z or iGen.
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And I think part of the interesting thing about your show is tapping into the sort of zeitgeist
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among your generation, pointing out some of the sort of very extreme woke ideology that
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does exist in your age group, which is, I don't think, the norm.
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I don't think that's sort of where the average, moderate, young Canadian is.
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But sort of seeing the sort of stuff that they put out there about themselves and sort
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of how out of tune it is with the rest of the Canadian population.
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Tell us about the title, Ratioed.
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What does that mean?
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Well, so Ratioed is basically when a social media post gets way more comments or way more
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quote tweets than likes.
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So it basically is the one big indicator that you miss the mark on social media if your post
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gets ratioed.
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And I think, Candace, you raise a good point there about how this is what our generation
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is talking about.
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We are paying attention now to what these, I mean, frankly, you could call them, there
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are radicals out there that are pushing very extreme political agendas on social media,
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and they have no shame in putting it out there.
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So we just want to try and talk about it, show people what is being said.
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And I think the rise of accounts like libs of TikTok, if you've seen them on Twitter,
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posting these videos of these teachers talking about gender ideology or what else, whatever
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sort of radical political movement is in style, usually it gets picked up by these accounts.
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And there's a real appetite for people to talk about these things and to show people just
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how insane things are getting in this generation.
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So like I said, I mean, I think it's what our audience wants.
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It's a new opportunity for us to break into a new audience group as well, a new demographic,
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which I think is valuable for everyone.
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And I think it's just much needed content, really looking forward to it.
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Well, one of the things that I find really interesting is that the media has really picked
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up on this woke culture and they've sort of channeled it.
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And a lot of them have taken it on, you know, not just media, but big corporations, corporate
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Canada, you start to see these strange phenomenons where, you know, people put their pronouns in
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their bios and, you know, all of these sort of woke critical race theory concepts creeping
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into corporate governance.
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But at the same time, I noticed that when it comes to polling, right, young Canadians, people
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in their 20s were very against the lockdowns.
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They were very, they were the most, the group most likely to support the truckers and support
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the sentiment behind the truckers.
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And we've seen with just someone like Pierre Polyev, the huge reach that he's been able
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to have with this sort of younger group of Canadians.
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So I wonder, Harrison, do you think the woke culture sort of represents your generation or
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do you think it's a deviation and that it's unfair to categorize all sort of Gen Z Canadians
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as part of this woke tribe?
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So I think it's definitely unfair to put us all into the extreme woke category, because
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I think that there's a huge rebound effect with all of this.
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The more extreme you go, the more people will eventually, I guess, get off the ship and realize
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just what, just what a disaster it was.
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And you push people to the edges.
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And I've seen polling and data that shows that the younger generation, a generation even
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below me is supposed to be one of the most conservative because they've been, they've
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been forced to listen to teachers, tell them insane things, or they're forced to watch things
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on TV that they know is just not right.
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So I think that there's definitely a rebound effect, right?
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If you, if you keep pushing too far, eventually people are going to come to their senses and
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realize actually, hold on, this is, this is actually insane.
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This is not at all what, this is not at all what we want for our society and for our life.
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And you were right about the trucker convoy, because of course, young people have to get
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out, they have to get jobs, and they're not going to be getting corporate cushy jobs where
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they can work from home necessarily.
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Usually that requires them to maybe working in retail or work at a restaurant.
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And if you shut everything down, or you force people to, for example, take a vaccine to get
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a job, that is going to have some sort of negative backlash.
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And of course, younger people are going to take issue with it when they're the ones that
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end up paying the price.
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So I know you've talked about this on your show about how actually the younger generations
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are oftentimes the most affected by these lockdowns, by these policies.
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I know that when you talked to Matt Strauss, he said that as well.
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And I think it's the case that there is, you know, if tapping into the nerve of younger
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Canadians who are really frustrated, really disappointed by the direction of the country,
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there's a lot to be done there.
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And there's a lot of people that want this sort of content.
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Well, that's so great.
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Ray showed with Harrison Faulkner, we're so excited to be hosting that.
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It's going to be every Thursday.
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So after you check out this episode, after you check out the Rupa Supermania show, go check
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out Ray showed with Harrison Faulkner is going to air every single Thursday here at True
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North.
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And so just final bit of announcements here at True North.
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So before for the last year and a half, the Candace Malcolm show has run every single day,
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Monday to Friday, and we've had so much fun putting that together.
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We are scaling the show back for the time being.
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So the Rupa Supermania show will fill the block on Tuesday, Ray showed with Harrison Faulkner
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on Thursday.
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We're going to be bringing in some new content as well to fill those slots.
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And part of the reason why is because I'm excited to announce my husband and I are expecting
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baby number three at our household.
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And so I will be taking time off starting this summer to be with my family, with my newborn
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and with my two other little kids.
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So that is why Candace Malcolm show won't be every day, won't be won't be on at all after
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July.
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And we're going to fill the slot in with lots and lots of other content at True North.
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And then I'll be back on the channel sometime later this year or early next year.
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And so we're all very, very excited.
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And we're going to continue to provide lots and lots of content to True North viewers.
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So with that, let's get to fake news Friday, Harrison.
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I think the big, big story of the week was that the Trudeau government's narrative around
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the Emergencies Act and around the trucker convoy just continues to crumble every single
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week, every single day with this, with this national inquiry, we learn things that just
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don't match with what the liberals were saying at the time, don't match with the liberal media
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narrative that was being spouted at the time.
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And we have yet another example this week.
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So this story just came out yesterday, Marco Medicino, the public safety minister, the media
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tells us that he was, he was just misunderstood.
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He was misunderstood when he said that the police asked for the Emergencies Act.
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So you will recall that Marco Medicino repeatedly told us that the reason that the government
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invoked the Emergencies Act wasn't because of Trudeau, it wasn't because of a liberal
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decision, it had nothing to do with partisanship, nothing to do with Trudeau's personal hatred
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for these truckers.
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It was all just the liberals were taking advice from law enforcement.
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And so really, it was a law enforcement that made the decision and not the political operatives
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in the liberal government.
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Well, we have heard over and over again now that that's not true.
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Every single law official, law enforcement official that has taken the stand in this
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national inquiry has said, no, that's not the case.
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And so the headline this week isn't that Marco Medicino was wrong.
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It wasn't that he lied and he misled the public and he misrepresented the situation.
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It wasn't even that he misspoke.
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It's that he was misunderstood.
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So he didn't have a misunderstanding.
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You did.
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He was misunderstood.
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And this is according to an official in the bureaucracy in his department.
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Everyone is covering for this liberal government.
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It is truly wild.
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So we put together some clips for you.
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First of all, this is a clip of Marco Medicino, who repeatedly said that the reason that the
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government invoked the Emergencies Act is because they were just following what the law enforcement
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said.
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Here is that clip.
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We invoked the Act because it was the advice of nonpartisan professional law enforcement.
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That's the reason why we had to invoke the Emergencies Act, and we did so on the basis
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of nonpartisan professional advice from law enforcement.
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We were following the advice of various levels of law enforcement, including the RCMP.
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After calling upon the police forces, we invoked the Emergency Measures Act.
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We wanted to be sure at bottom that we were giving law enforcement all of the tools and
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the resources that they needed.
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It was only after police told us that they needed this special power.
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The Ontario Association, the Canadian Association, law enforcement was very strong.
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I don't want to speak for every last serving member of law enforcement, but there was a very
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strong consensus that we needed to invoke the act.
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A strong consensus that we need to invoke the act.
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You can hear him say it over and over again, that it wasn't his decision, Harrison.
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It wasn't the liberal government.
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It wasn't anything to do with petty politics.
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He was just taking advice from the people who run the law enforcement side of things.
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Do you think he was misunderstood?
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What do you think of this take from the media?
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Well, Candace, I don't know how many times you can be misunderstood before it turns on the
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person saying it.
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It's not us who is misunderstood about what he's saying.
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He seems to be mistaken about the actual course of events that he was a part of.
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I mean, how many times have we seen this?
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I've been all over the inquiry and posting clips on my Twitter trying to get the message
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out there.
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Because one thing I've noticed is that aside from what we're covering here, Candace,
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there's not a lot of coverage happening on the inquiry.
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People are not reacting to the fact that, as you said at the beginning, Trudeau's narrative
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is totally crumbling apart.
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And just because you can, you know, the minister can say that he acted on the basis of law
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enforcement and the request of law enforcement.
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But if the RCMP commissioner, if the Ottawa police chief, the former Ottawa police chief
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who was fired because he wasn't doing enough, and the Gatineau mayor all say that they didn't
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request the government to invoke the Emergencies Act, and they confirm it in the inquiry, then
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it's clear, Candace, that this narrative is obviously just not the case.
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What Trudeau is trying to do is find a scapegoat.
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What the minister is trying to do is find a scapegoat other than himself to pin the blame
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on this horrible mistake, to invoke this ridiculous measure.
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I think, unfortunately for Marco Mendicino, he may be the one that gets thrown under the
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bus, because this inquiry has definitely not gone the way the liberals wanted it to.
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It seems that they're going into it.
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They appointed the liberal justice, right, the former liberal staffer who's now a judge
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to head the inquiry, and they had this probably mapped out in their minds about how they're
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going to get out of it.
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They're going to immediately start pinning the blame on the far right, on the extremists,
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as they tried many times, and it hasn't gone that way.
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The Bloc, the NDP even, and the conservatives, of course, and even the senators, almost all the
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senators on the inquiry have been taking the liberals to task over this and expose their
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narrative.
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Well, we have a clip of those officials that you did mention, so you can juxtapose what
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the minister is on camera saying repeatedly, that it was law enforcement that advised him,
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and then now let's look at what those law enforcement agents say when they were asked to testify in
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front of this inquiry.
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Here's that clip.
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As a law enforcement agency with primacy for national security, did you ask the government
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or representatives for the invocation of the Emergencies Act?
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No, there was never a question of requesting the Emergency Act.
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There was a question that we consulted with.
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Sorry, I don't mean to interrupt, but I'm sorry.
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So you never asked for it.
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Do you know of any other police leadership that asked specifically the government for
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the invocation?
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No, we actually reached out to various police agencies when there was talk about some of
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the authorities within that they were proposing, and of course, we were consulted.
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Did the Ottawa police make a request to the federal government to invoke the Emergencies
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Measures Act, yes or no?
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So we were involved in conversations with our partners and with the political ministries.
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We didn't make a direct request for the Emergencies Act.
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I'm wondering if you could confirm whether the city of Catano or its police services requested
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the federal government to invoke the Emergencies Act during the Freedom Convoy.
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Thank you very much for my question.
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No, the city of Catano did not declare an emergency request to the Act, but it did provide
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considerable support to the RCMP.
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Did yourself or anyone in the OPS request the invocation of the Emergency Act?
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I did not make that request.
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I'm not aware of anybody else in the Ottawa police service who did.
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So no one made the request?
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No one's aware of anyone who made the request?
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And to me, it kind of comes back to media coverage, because at the time, no one was holding
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this government to account.
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They had all bought into this idea that there was some kind of a January 6th moment coming
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in Canada, and that these people were truly reprehensible, they were white supremacists,
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they were probably all murderers, and they didn't need to stop.
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So the media allowed them to get away with this.
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And now, where it's time for some accountability, you're right, Harrison, they hardly cover this,
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right?
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It's not prime time.
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It's not being covered on the news.
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You go to CBC, National Post, Globe and Mail, any of these websites, they barely ever talk
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about it.
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And when they do, they run stories like this.
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So this was over in the Canadian press, and they just repeat what the liberals want everyone
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to know.
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Mendicino was misunderstood when he said, please ask for the Emergencies Act, according to this
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official.
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It's all misunderstanding.
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So they can't even bring themselves to say Mendicino is contradicted.
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Mendicino is caught in a lie.
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Mendicino's dishonesty is coming out.
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No, none of that.
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Just, again, very mild, very, you know, understated.
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He was just misunderstood.
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It wasn't even him that had the misunderstanding.
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It was you, the public, or you, the, you know, the media, or it was someone else.
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It was Canadians who misunderstood, not the minister.
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So absolutely no accountability from the legacy media in the way that they are covering
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this.
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And you made this point a couple weeks ago on the show, Harrison, I think it's worth
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repeating, that if this was in the US, if there was some kind of a unprecedented use
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of the authority of the federal government, suspending civil rights as much as you can
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in this country, using the entire force of the federal government, suspending all kinds
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of other charter issues and everything.
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And then there was an inquiry into it.
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It would be prime time.
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It would be on all of the news channels.
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It would be a huge story, especially if it was against a conservative government or a
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Republican government in the US.
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I mean, we have an example of this right now.
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There is a inquiry in the US into the January 6th riots.
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This happened 18 months ago.
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We pretty much have already gotten to the bottom of it and litigated it.
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A bunch of people have gone to jail.
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You know, 200 idiots stormed the Capitol.
00:18:59.080
And, you know, they're still dwelling on it, right?
00:19:01.140
And it is prime time.
00:19:02.100
The Democrats down there are trying to make it into this huge midterm election issue.
00:19:06.460
Again, compare that to here in Canada, where the Trudeau government did something really
00:19:11.300
unprecedented.
00:19:12.420
This emergency act had never been used before.
00:19:15.380
It's supposed to be there for wartime, you know, for an invasion or some kind of internal
00:19:21.800
uprising.
00:19:22.860
And yet, basically, no accountability.
00:19:27.160
It's such a stark difference in how the media treat liberals versus how they treat conservatives.
00:19:33.000
Completely.
00:19:34.560
And again, going back to the narrative that the law enforcement requested the act.
00:19:39.560
If the US government told the Canadian government to do this, or if the province of Ontario told
00:19:45.020
the Canadian government to do this, why not say that?
00:19:47.580
Just say to Canadians, in fact, we were instructed by the provinces and we were instructed by the
00:19:53.040
United States to do this.
00:19:54.480
Would that be fair justification?
00:19:55.960
Likely not.
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But if that's the justification, if that's the truth, come out there and say it.
00:20:00.600
Like, don't pin the blame on the cops, who will then just tell the actual truth to the
00:20:05.100
people and say, no, we didn't request it.
00:20:06.980
And like you said, Candace, again, if this was a January 6th style committee, then the
00:20:11.780
liberals would be doing a lot better than they are.
00:20:14.060
I mean, the January 6th committee, to this day, are, I mean, they just basically shackled
00:20:19.700
a former Trump office administrator in an airport and did it in public and brought him in, basically
00:20:25.880
put him into, into the, into the brig because he was subpoenaed by the January 6th committee
00:20:31.740
and didn't show up.
00:20:32.900
So again, there's, there's a total difference, right?
00:20:35.280
The media coverage of the January 6th committee and the actions of that committee are, are
00:20:40.660
basically taking place and they're actually, you know, making serious headway, if you want
00:20:45.500
to call it that.
00:20:46.220
And this committee, which I think was designed to prop up the liberal narrative is totally
00:20:50.800
failing.
00:20:51.140
I mean, it's just exposing the entire, the entire debacle that was the emergencies act.
00:20:56.400
And throughout this whole time, Candace, we have to go through this long list of, of narratives
00:21:01.380
that the liberals have put out there about the emergencies act or about the events in
00:21:05.680
Ottawa that have since crumbled.
00:21:07.340
I mean, we can just go down the list.
00:21:08.380
Let's start with the wealthy donors from March 18, 2022, Blacklocks reported that in fact,
00:21:14.740
the, the wealthy foreign donors, Blacklocks reported that in fact, it was Canadians who donated
00:21:18.680
this line about it all being from America, from the American ultra rich right wing is
00:21:23.780
not the case.
00:21:24.400
It was proven false.
00:21:26.000
Another one, the RCMP saw no evidence of terrorist financing.
00:21:29.880
So again, we were told this is a, this is a terrorist act of foreign funding to, to incite,
00:21:34.720
cite some sort of government over, you know, government takeover turned out to be false.
00:21:40.520
Again, the next one, the convoy was funded by Canadians, not foreigners.
00:21:44.320
Like I said, they said, they said the convoy was funded by the Americans and by people
00:21:47.920
from around the world.
00:21:48.480
And it was actually just funded by the grassroots FinTrack, the financial advisor, they said
00:21:53.720
that, that they told the government that there was no ideologically motivated, violent
00:21:58.860
extremism that was funding, funding the event.
00:22:02.200
I mean, just, I'm not even going to go down the list.
00:22:04.740
I mean, there's so many of them, the firearms at Coutts, the arson attempt in Ottawa, the woman
00:22:09.520
who danced in the war monument.
00:22:10.740
Again, all of these sorts of things, all the, all the attempt by the liberals to paint this
00:22:14.800
convoy as something it wasn't are all starting to unravel.
00:22:19.420
Well, there was never anything there, there anyway.
00:22:21.760
And we knew that in real time, we were watching the convoy, the media reporting on it was like
00:22:26.020
a totally different event.
00:22:27.000
Whatever they were watching, they were cherry picking the craziest people they could find
00:22:30.560
and blowing stories out of proportion that were easily debunkable at the time.
00:22:34.420
And they have since been debunked.
00:22:36.200
And I'm very grateful for True North for going through and documenting that so that
00:22:40.320
we have it on record that, you know, just about every major narrative that the lead, that
00:22:44.460
the legacy media spun up from the Tucker Convoy has turned out to be wrong.
00:22:48.880
And right, when they created this national inquiry, the point was, why did the Trudeau government
00:22:53.700
use this tool that should have never been used?
00:22:56.700
Let's look into why the government used it.
00:22:59.120
Of course, Trudeau and his liberal spin doctors and his friends in the media painted it as if,
00:23:04.180
no, no, the purpose of this inquiry is to look into the truckers and try to find out what their
00:23:08.160
motives were and their ties to violent extremism and terrorism or whatever.
00:23:12.940
And so they set it up that way in the media, as if this was a national inquiry into the
00:23:18.000
truckers rather than a national inquiry into the politicians who used the full force of
00:23:22.940
government against the truckers.
00:23:25.000
And then to your point that you made about how Mark Manichino maybe get, maybe ending up
00:23:30.400
being thrown under the bus, it's like, you know, they created this show trial and it's
00:23:34.960
kind of backfiring on them because all of the information that comes out just keeps, they
00:23:38.820
keep shooting themselves in the foot.
00:23:40.140
It keeps becoming incredibly evident and obvious to Canadians that there was no real justification,
00:23:46.320
that it was all spin.
00:23:47.700
It was all smoke and mirrors.
00:23:49.220
And they continue to play this game.
00:23:51.680
Harrison, the latest this past week again, is that the government is now hiding behind cabinet
00:23:56.500
confidentiality.
00:23:57.900
So we've seen this over and over again, Harrison, where first we had the Attorney General, David
00:24:03.220
Lamedi, who basically just refuses to answer questions.
00:24:06.660
And whenever he's pressed, he says, look, that's cabinet, that's confidential, it's part
00:24:09.720
of, it's protected under cabinet confidentiality.
00:24:12.440
I guess I thought that line works so well that even Brenda Luckey, who is the RCMP commissioner,
00:24:17.400
tried to use it.
00:24:18.040
The only problem, of course, is that Luckey is not part of cabinet, so she wouldn't have
00:24:22.280
cabinet confidentiality.
00:24:23.420
We have some clips here of, as you can see, just more obfuscation, refusing to answer basic
00:24:29.920
questions, refusing to be clear and honest with the public about why they used, again,
00:24:36.140
this unprecedented tool in the government powers.
00:24:40.580
And fortunately, getting called out a little bit by conservatives on the committee.
00:24:46.000
So let's play that clip.
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Is that correct?
00:24:47.820
I'm not going to betray cabinet confidence.
00:24:50.560
And so the financing measures came into place.
00:24:53.500
In those consultations, did you consult with provincial attorneys general?
00:24:58.300
There were, we did have a consultation report.
00:25:03.920
And there were, again, I'm not going to betray cabinet confidences.
00:25:09.940
I would ask that you undertake to provide the analysis and the information that you were
00:25:17.960
made aware of, that you relied upon to, you know, to be part of making the invocation
00:25:26.140
for this particular emergencies act, sir.
00:25:29.880
Thank you, Mr. Motz.
00:25:30.860
I understand the sentiment behind the question, and I certainly share the goal of transparency.
00:25:35.580
I think Canadians will understand that cabinet confidence is a critical part of our cabinet
00:25:42.740
governance system.
00:25:44.400
You know, we, we, I can't get into the details of specific discussions, but I can say that,
00:25:51.560
yeah.
00:25:51.660
Why can't we get into the details, Commissioner?
00:25:53.820
Sorry.
00:25:55.440
Well, because they were within cabinet, and I'm bound by that cabinet confidence.
00:26:01.460
But I can, I can talk about in general.
00:26:03.180
I provided the situational report, which would have provided them, uh, the details that
00:26:07.980
they needed to, uh, come up with some of the measures.
00:26:10.940
Are you still maintaining solicitor and client privilege?
00:26:13.580
Are you willing to waive that?
00:26:16.260
Well, I'm also bound by cabinet confidence as well.
00:26:19.580
You're not part of the cabinet.
00:26:21.320
You're not part of that confidence.
00:26:24.160
No, but I am when I provide them information in cabinet.
00:26:27.660
To be continued.
00:26:29.920
Oh, do I?
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Seconds.
00:26:31.440
Oh.
00:26:31.620
Go ahead.
00:26:31.920
You're not part of cabinet.
00:26:35.540
You're not an elected official.
00:26:38.420
So why are you hiding behind cabinet confidentiality?
00:26:41.880
Canadians want to know.
00:26:43.440
I would just request that the, um, questions go through the chair rather than directly to
00:26:48.300
the witness.
00:26:50.720
I didn't think we were that formal, Madam Chair, that we had to say through the chair.
00:26:54.380
We weren't before the badgering, but now we are.
00:26:56.140
Can the witness answer the question?
00:26:58.540
Uh, we stopped the clock.
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Okay, we'll go ahead.
00:27:00.560
It was 37 seconds.
00:27:02.260
Why do you feel you are bound by cabinet confidentiality as an unelected official?
00:27:07.720
When I'm providing information within cabinet, I'm bound by the rules of cabinet.
00:27:15.600
Are you part of the Liberal government, Ms. Lucky?
00:27:18.600
Not at all.
00:27:19.620
Are you a donor to the Liberal Party?
00:27:22.120
No.
00:27:23.340
You sure about that?
00:27:24.500
I'm sure.
00:27:25.920
Are you still citing cabinet confidentiality?
00:27:32.120
Yes.
00:27:32.480
So, Candace, as you can see there, they just have no interest in wanting to get to the bottom
00:27:37.620
of the facts.
00:27:38.220
They have no interest in trying to tell the truth.
00:27:40.100
You saw David Lametti there basically say the same thing in maybe five different ways
00:27:45.520
that, yeah, he understands that you want the answers.
00:27:48.460
He understands Canadians deserve the truth, but he's not going to give it to us.
00:27:51.700
He's going to hide behind cabinet confidence, cabinet confidentiality, as he says.
00:27:55.960
He doesn't want to divulge or break cabinet confidence.
00:27:59.180
And again, right at the end, you saw RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucky try to hide behind
00:28:03.560
cabinet confidence, too, almost as if she kind of wishes she was a part of cabinet.
00:28:08.000
But she's not.
00:28:08.720
That's just the truth.
00:28:10.200
She's a public servant, unelected, and whose job it is to do good by the people of Canada,
00:28:15.580
not to serve the prime minister at the time.
00:28:18.540
That's not the role of the RCMP Commissioner.
00:28:20.240
The RCMP Commissioner's role is to basically lead the Federal Police Service
00:28:25.760
and protect Canadians.
00:28:27.240
And part of that is telling the truth.
00:28:29.120
And rightly, Larry Brock of the Conservative Party, who's a part of the committee,
00:28:34.060
and I have to say as well, both conservatives on the committee,
00:28:36.920
Glenn Motts and Larry Brock have both done an excellent job at trying to hold people's
00:28:40.640
feet to the fire here.
00:28:42.040
He just basically told Brenda Lucky straight up, you're not part of cabinet.
00:28:46.020
Why do you think you can hide behind cabinet confidence?
00:28:49.340
You're not actually bound by this cabinet confidence, so you have a duty to tell the truth.
00:28:53.740
But again, that doesn't work for Brenda Lucky.
00:28:56.100
And then, of course, Candace, they tried it one too many times.
00:28:59.200
Chalk it up as another win for the truckers.
00:29:01.820
The committee, headed by a liberal justice, as we talked about before,
00:29:05.480
is now telling the government that actually, we are going to request these documents.
00:29:10.380
We do have a duty to understand what the government knew at the time
00:29:14.200
and why they invoked the act.
00:29:16.520
So as you can see here, on June 3rd, True North wrote about the fact that the public inquiry
00:29:21.740
was now telling the government, we're going to request these documents from you.
00:29:25.960
We have to get to the bottom of what's going on.
00:29:27.840
So again, it's another L for Trudeau and the Liberals.
00:29:31.260
Their narrative is crumbling.
00:29:33.260
And their attempts to obfuscate, their attempts to hide,
00:29:36.500
are being called out by the liberal justice they handpicked to lead this process.
00:29:40.400
So it's really all falling apart for them, Candace.
00:29:42.480
Well, it's good to see someone is holding the liberal government to account.
00:29:47.040
It's too bad that our legacy media have no interest in covering it,
00:29:50.420
and which is why, again, I'm grateful for True North.
00:29:53.260
Well, Harrison, I want to talk about polyev derangement syndrome.
00:29:56.660
We had an entire episode of the show on it a few weeks ago, and it continues to thrive.
00:30:01.440
And so I covered this in my show earlier this week, an interview with Hamish Marshall,
00:30:05.560
where we talked about how the conservative numbers have just blown everyone's figures out of the park.
00:30:10.280
600,000 members, Pierre Polyev claims 311,958 on his website alone.
00:30:17.460
This is dwarfing any previous leadership race, any previous number of memberships sold by a political party.
00:30:25.300
And it's so interesting to see how the media narrative has been proven wrong, Harrison,
00:30:29.120
because remember, at first, when we saw those big rallies at the Pierre Polyev campaign,
00:30:34.560
the media sort of tried to downplay it.
00:30:36.240
They tried to dismiss it.
00:30:37.080
At first, they said that, oh, these big rallies are really just, you know, riding the coattails of the trekker convoy,
00:30:44.700
that these people aren't partisan, they're never going to sign up for members,
00:30:47.700
that Pierre's campaign is really disorganized, and they wouldn't be able to have the groundwork.
00:30:52.540
Well, that was all proven wrong, based on this claim from Jenny Byrne, Polyev's campaign advisor,
00:30:57.180
that no, no, all of those things are wrong.
00:31:00.100
Of course, my favorite narrative about the Pierre Polyev rallies with the media said that they were too white,
00:31:06.300
and that somehow discredited them because of the people,
00:31:09.020
the skin color of the people who go to your rallies apparently can be discrediting.
00:31:13.000
And so it's really interesting, of course, to compare how Polyev and the conservative leadership race in general,
00:31:19.720
you know, you see the media downplay it, compare it to how they covered Justin Trudeau.
00:31:23.680
A lot of people have been talking about this because back in 2013, Justin Trudeau claimed that his campaign
00:31:29.200
had signed up 150,000 to 160,000 people, and the media were, like, blown away.
00:31:34.440
They were celebrating.
00:31:35.400
They thought this was, like, a tremendous feat and that it showed how energetic Trudeau's fan base was
00:31:40.420
and how he was so engaging and how he had this big, all this momentum, right?
00:31:46.420
Recall that the liberals don't charge anything for their membership,
00:31:49.620
so all you really had to do was just, like, get someone to write down their name and email address,
00:31:53.080
and they didn't have to put any skin in the game, right?
00:31:55.800
Compare that to Pierre and the conservative party where you have to pay at least 15 bucks,
00:32:00.180
so you're not just some random person off the street.
00:32:02.380
You have to have that level of commitment to say,
00:32:04.380
I'm willing to part with some of my own money to show that I support this candidate.
00:32:08.900
So just so many aspects of what the media had said all along proving to be false,
00:32:13.960
but the media being the media, they just can't let it go,
00:32:16.660
and so they continue along this line, along this reasoning.
00:32:20.180
Almost all of the news stories that I saw about the conservative numbers,
00:32:24.560
they always say conservatives claim, or, you know, you see it right built into the headline
00:32:30.200
that this is a claim, that it's not verified, never trusted politician.
00:32:33.500
Don Iveson had a piece over in the National Post, and he said that no one really knows the real numbers.
00:32:39.280
It's a good rule of thumb in journalism to never believe anything that politicians or political parties say.
00:32:44.100
You have to be professional skepticism.
00:32:45.560
That's all well and good, and that is all true.
00:32:47.580
You do need to preface it, but the emphasis is there, right?
00:32:50.540
Just compare this to even just a story we just talked about, right?
00:32:53.900
Mendicino's out there changing a story, being contradicted left, right, and center,
00:32:57.160
and the media still runs with whatever the liberals say, that's the fact.
00:33:00.820
And then whenever a conservative says something, they always say allegedly,
00:33:03.940
or conservatives say, or candidates claim, having that suffix there just to say,
00:33:09.940
well, we just plant some doubt in the reader's mind, like, we don't really believe this.
00:33:13.880
This is just what they're saying.
00:33:15.680
And that double standard is there.
00:33:18.160
And then we have another piece, Harrison, from our friend Gary Mason over at the Globe and Mail.
00:33:21.980
He wrote the most arranged piece a couple of weeks ago about Pierre Polyev.
00:33:26.000
Well, he continues down that line, so I'll read a little bit from this column.
00:33:30.620
He says,
00:33:30.940
His campaign is a well-oiled machine, so he's sort of reluctantly saying that Pierre Polyev is good at his job.
00:33:43.060
Can't help but throwing in that apparently his policies range from disturbing to bonkers.
00:33:47.100
Okay.
00:33:47.900
And he says, basically, Pierre Polyev's good fortune his supporters don't see his own hypocrisy.
00:33:53.320
He says, this is my favorite line from the piece,
00:33:55.260
Mr. Polyev is also a phony when it comes to his policies.
00:33:59.280
His oft-stated intention to make Canada the freest country on earth
00:34:02.500
certainly had an appealing ring to the mostly white protesters
00:34:05.760
who participated in the self-described freedom convoy earlier this year,
00:34:08.960
to whom he pandered shamelessly.
00:34:11.140
So you can't even come up with anything neutral or, I mean, this is just flat-out
00:34:16.960
anti-conservative hatred and bigotry masquerading as journalism.
00:34:21.800
What do you make of all this, Harrison?
00:34:23.440
Well, it totally is, Candice.
00:34:25.260
And, I mean, this is just what we've come to expect over these past few months.
00:34:28.600
One thing I just don't really understand, though, is that you're seeing the same amount of,
00:34:33.720
you know, you're seeing the same sort of vitriol and the same amount of negative coverage
00:34:37.320
from the legacy media that you would see directed to people like Maxime Bernier.
00:34:42.260
Pierre Polyev's campaign is staffed by pretty establishment figures in conservative politics,
00:34:48.080
people who have been around for many years, who have names inside conservative politics,
00:34:52.860
and journalists know that.
00:34:53.920
Pierre Polyev is not running some outsider anti-establishment campaign.
00:34:58.860
He's very much running from the inside of the conservative party.
00:35:02.780
And it just so happens to be that right now, Canada is going through a major moment where
00:35:07.340
we have a leader that has essentially, you know, severely damaged the trust of government
00:35:12.920
and people and has shown them that their charter rights, frankly, aren't that protected.
00:35:17.700
So, of course, a good candidate is going to jump on that and make it part of his campaign.
00:35:21.160
But it's just it's just kind of weird to me that the legacy media have decided to attack
00:35:27.140
Pierre Polyev so much and almost go go as far as to put him in the same category as someone
00:35:32.820
like Maxime Bernier.
00:35:34.060
It's kind of surprising to me knowing who's a part of Pierre's campaign.
00:35:37.160
And of course, you know, we get the usual content from the Canadian press about how it's just
00:35:43.700
a claim that the conservatives could be lying about this or they could not be telling the
00:35:47.820
truth.
00:35:48.620
And of course, when you compare that to the coverage that Justin Trudeau gets or the
00:35:53.200
coverage that the liberals will get when they have some sort of event like this, it's
00:35:56.640
never the same.
00:35:57.240
And of course, the media wants to take some sort of negative tone toward the conservatives,
00:36:01.620
because as your as your show title on Wednesday really pointed out, this is frightening for
00:36:07.240
the liberals.
00:36:08.000
I mean, this is this is frightening for the legacy media, for liberals, for the establishment
00:36:12.540
in Canada.
00:36:13.600
They have to reconcile with the fact that I think people are fed up with what they've been
00:36:17.240
given by these people.
00:36:18.740
They don't want to see this sort of this sort of constant negative press about them in the
00:36:23.680
media.
00:36:24.140
They don't want to see the government treat them this way.
00:36:26.020
People are fed up and I think they know their time is coming to an end shortly.
00:36:29.640
Absolutely.
00:36:30.340
I think that so much of the momentum behind the poly of campaign and the conservative
00:36:33.780
movement more broadly is just an absolute dismay and disgust over this liberal government,
00:36:40.920
over the way that they've been propped up by the NDP, an unelected coalition, the way
00:36:45.660
that the legacy media lies and covers for this government and the attitude of the Trudeau liberals.
00:36:50.640
I think there are so many Canadians who are apolitical or nonpartisan, who watch from
00:36:55.780
afar, and they've just had enough.
00:36:57.540
They're sick of it.
00:36:58.740
And that is part of the reason why there is this huge movement.
00:37:01.420
And it's like these elites and these gatekeepers and these Laurentians who, you know, they're
00:37:07.100
grasping onto their control of the country and they're seeing it slip away because people
00:37:11.740
are really waking up to this idea that somehow the Trudeau government is a well-run, respectable
00:37:20.120
government.
00:37:20.880
It certainly isn't.
00:37:21.960
Well, Harrison, we wanted to end this show on a bit of a lighter note.
00:37:25.600
I don't know if this is a lighter, if this is depressing or if it's funny.
00:37:29.560
I find it kind of funny.
00:37:30.780
But the Treasury Board of Canada is promoting this weird new concept that we should all put
00:37:37.640
our pronouns into our email.
00:37:39.900
So this is what the Federal Treasury Board of Canada, the people who, you know, basically
00:37:45.960
the people who let inflation run wild and, you know, look at the state of the finances
00:37:50.780
in our country.
00:37:52.160
You're wondering what is going on over at the Treasury Department.
00:37:54.980
Well, this is what the brain trust over there are spending their time on, you know, informational
00:38:00.540
videos shaming Canadians and teaching us these good lessons about how we need to be more
00:38:06.940
inclusive.
00:38:07.280
So let's play this clip.
00:38:37.280
So there you have it, Harrison.
00:38:49.660
We would all be better off if we just, you know, left the ambiguity aside and left the
00:38:55.680
ambiguity aside and put our pronouns right out front and center so that we can all participate
00:39:01.400
in this weird identity game of sort of, you know, the whole gender, non-binary, gender
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ideology that's all the rage on the far extreme left.
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Well, now it's reached the Treasury Board.
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What did you think when you saw this tweet?
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It's such a strange corporate phenomenon, Candice, that basically everyone in a corporate gig or
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a government gig needs to display their preferred pronouns by their name.
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I think in pretty much every big company that is the policy, if you are, if you refuse, if
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you hold out because you don't believe that you have to disclose whether or not you're
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you, whether you go by he, him, or she, her pronouns like a normal person.
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If you hold out like that, you're going to be, you're going to basically be for, you're
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going to be pressured into doing it, or you're going to be shamed for not, for not adopting
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this, uh, this so-called, well, it's, it's, it's in the name of inclusivity, of course,
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but you're, you're not allowed to not do it.
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And now the government is telling you that you have to do it.
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It's just such a strange thing.
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I think, I think in, in, hopefully in my lifetime, at some point, we're all going to look back
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at this moment in time and just question what we were thinking.
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I, I really hope this is not something that exists for forever and maybe we can kind of
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get out of this weird moment that we're living through.
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And I hope that we do have some time to reflect and say, wow, that's just very strange.
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Just very strange that we're doing this all of a sudden.
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Well, first of all, I find the idea of pronouns like fundamentally arrogant and narcissistic
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because you're basically telling other people who you work with or whom you may interact
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with, this is how you will refer to me when I'm not around, right?
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This is, this is how like, like you will, you will refer to me as she and her.
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You will not refer to me in any other way for 99.9% of the population.
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It's, it's pretty obvious when you interact with someone and include, this includes trans
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people, because if you were a man who wanted to appear like a woman, you would dress like
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a woman and you would want people to refer to you using female pronouns.
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So the vast, vast overwhelming majority of people fall into a very easily identified category,
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he or she, and, and, and, you know, it's up to the discretion of the person.
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Sure.
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Sometimes there's some awkward interactions like the example of the treasury board where
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someone has a gender neutral name, an ambiguous name.
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Okay.
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You know, fine.
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You have an awkward little interaction like this email that we, that we saw, you know,
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how is it the end of the world?
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This, this more, this idea that, that everyone must call me what I say, you know, I thought
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it was a passing trend on social media from a couple of years ago, like when the whole
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Jordan Peterson, uh, you know, I refuse to be compelled to use pronouns.
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I, I, I really thought that it was kind of going to come and go, but it seems like now
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it's, it's, you know, it's not just the woke activists, but it's becoming more, like you
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say, mainstream and corporate and government circles.
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So we had the treasury board here.
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Why don't you tell us a bit about this, uh, WestJet story.
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That's, um, that's also making the headlines in the news.
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Well, so of course we prep for the, we prep for the show, Candace, uh, the prep has to
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be, you know, you do have to do a CBC scroll through because if you're ever short on content,
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just hit the CBC website and you'll find something immediately.
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And sure enough, before going to the air, we found this, this really strange CBC article
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where a transgender advocate calls out WestJet for forcing passengers to identify as male
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or female.
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Uh, she's very upset about the fact that a WestJet is not allowing, uh, this, I, I, this
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woman, I said, she, I don't want to misgender anyone.
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So I want to be careful here, of course, be horrible to offend someone.
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Uh, but she says that it's, it's a problem because she can't put X on her as her gender.
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And that because of this WestJet is violating her human rights.
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Now I have to say, I'm, I'm a bit of a fan of WestJet over these past few days.
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The WestJet CEO has been pretty vocal about trying to drop Canada's totally punitive and
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ridiculous travel restrictions.
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Um, and then here, the CBC, maybe they're trying to get at WestJet for taking shots at
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the government.
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Uh, well now apparently they're violating, uh, people's human rights because they're not
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allowing them to put X as their gender.
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God forbid.
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They, they just, they just want to keep it male and female.
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Um, not allowed to do that in mainstream Canadian culture anymore, Candace.
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It, you know, you're right that the CBC is so out of touch.
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It's so easy to just pop on over to the site and you could do an entire episode just on
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whatever's on the front page there, but really trying to push these very extreme niche issues.
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I think turning most Canadians off in the process because no one's really, uh, you're jumping
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up and down saying, yes, someone's human rights are being fundamentally violated because
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they're not allowed to identify as gender X.
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Uh, that's, that's not really the top, uh, you know, of all the things going on in the
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world, we've got inflation, we've got a looming recession, we've got a government with out
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of control spending.
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We, we have a fundamentally unserious prime minister, you know, for all the things to
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worry about in Canada, um, oh, not, not to mention any of the COVID stuff.
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Uh, I don't think that, that someone not being able to mark X as gender on a WestJet
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website, uh, is really top of mind to most Canadians.
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Well, I think that's a good point to end it, Harrison.
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Thanks for joining fake news Friday.
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We're really excited about your new show ratioed with Harrison Faulkner, which airs every Thursday
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here at true north.
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So Harrison, great to have you on the show.
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Thanks for joining us.
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Thank you, Candace.
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All right.
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That's Harrison Faulkner.
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I'm Candace Malcolm.
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It's fake news Friday on the Candace Malcolm show.
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