The Candice Malcolm Show - Trump EXPOSES Carney, CBC fakes story of conservative in-fighting (w⧸ MP-elect Andrew Lawton)

00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Candace Malcolm, and this is The Candace Malcolm Show. We have a great episode for you

00:00:06.580 today. We're going to talk about President Trump and his recent comments exposing Mark Carney.

00:00:11.700 We've been reporting about this at Juneau News for over a month now, that there was a plan for

00:00:16.180 Mark Carney to quietly fold to President Trump, quietly fold to the Americans right after the

00:00:21.480 election. It took less than 72 hours for that to happen. Please do me a favor. I'm going to ask

00:00:27.000 you to just quickly like this video. It just takes half a second. It really helps us with the

00:00:30.540 algorithm. We want to get this show discovered by as many Canadians as possible. But before we get

00:00:35.700 to the news, I'm very pleased today to be joined by one of my favorite guests at The Candace Malcolm

00:00:40.400 Show, our friend, Andrew Lawton. Andrew is the Member of Parliament-elect for Elgin St. Thomas,

00:00:46.140 London South. Andrew, congratulations and welcome to the show.

00:00:49.780 Hey, thank you. It's good to be back, albeit in a very, very different capacity, but I'm very

00:00:54.460 grateful to be here. Absolutely. So viewers know, and I'll just quickly recap their memory. Andrew

00:00:59.720 is a longtime journalist. He was a radio host in London, Ontario. And then when he left the legacy

00:01:05.000 media, oh, I don't know, maybe five or six years ago, we hired him. We scooped him up at True North

00:01:09.360 and he moved his radio show over to our airways. And he was a longtime mainstay for True North. And

00:01:15.200 sadly, we lost Andrew Lawton because he decided to abandon the independent media and join the

00:01:20.760 Conservatives. We're very happy for you, Andrew. And he just recently was elected. So Andrew,

00:01:25.800 why don't you walk us through your journey? Tell us about what it's like to go from being on this

00:01:30.280 side of the interview to the other side and how the campaigning went out in London.

00:01:35.620 Well, let me say, I haven't abandoned independent media. I'm still a strong supporter and a strong

00:01:39.520 ally. And I'm happy to be here and will continue to support independent journalism. But my goodness,

00:01:45.760 when the challenge of my role at True North as managing editor and host of my show was that

00:01:51.660 I was on the front lines of a lot of the challenges facing this country for so long. And I was seeing,

00:01:58.080 I was talking about just the decline and the hardship. And I had interviewed Pierre Polyevre and

00:02:02.580 I'd reported on the Liberals and Mark Carney and all of that. And, you know, when time was coming up to

00:02:09.460 where the election was, we thought was going to be, I felt I could not spend this election on the

00:02:14.880 sidelines that the stakes were just too high. And I decided to, there was a longtime conservative

00:02:20.320 member of parliament in a local riding that was not running again. And I really thought long and

00:02:25.540 hard about it. I prayed about it and reluctantly talked to you about it. And knowing, knowing you

00:02:31.400 would, you know, be encouraged, as you were very encouraging, but also at the same time, I think

00:02:35.820 probably secretly hoping I might lose so that I could stay at True North. But you know what, I was so

00:02:40.900 grateful for the support of not just you and our team, but all of the audience as well, a ton of

00:02:46.320 whom I learned were right there in the riding. And we're so excited that, you know, they now had the

00:02:51.160 opportunity to cast a ballot for me. And we fought, you know, really hard for the nomination. And then

00:02:56.760 I became the candidate in November. And for the last, what is it, five, five months now, we've been

00:03:02.100 plugging away day in, day out. And we're really honored with the victory we had with over 50% of the

00:03:07.540 vote on Monday night. Wow, congratulations. And so was it what you expected? Or how are you feeling

00:03:13.380 post election? Disappointed? Excited? What's it like at this point? It's funny you mentioned that

00:03:19.300 it was a bit bittersweet, because we were so focused on our local riding and our campaign. And that was

00:03:26.340 the only thing and you really like, when you're out knocking on doors, as I was from morning to night,

00:03:30.920 you're not even really following the national story. So it took like, I had to take time each

00:03:36.180 evening to catch up on, you know, what was happening with, you know, Pierre here and Mark

00:03:40.360 Carney there, because that wasn't our what we were dealing with on the ground. And then at the end of

00:03:44.580 it, we win. And we're so excited. And we're over the moon. And you have to take that moment and say,

00:03:48.220 oh, wow, but yeah, we're actually disappointed, too. Because nationally, things didn't go the way

00:03:52.580 they were supposed to. And the next day, so on Tuesday of this week, we were at the campaign office,

00:03:57.740 just, you know, getting closing up loose ends and collecting signs and all of this stuff. And people

00:04:03.120 were coming into the office. And I was expecting everyone to be all excited. And they're like,

00:04:07.120 oh, this sucks. And I was like, well, no, it doesn't entirely. But but I understand it. So 0.98

00:04:11.400 it was a bit of a bittersweet moment. But you know, the challenges that propelled me into politics

00:04:17.860 are still there. And you know, I can use my voice now not, you know, doing a show, but in the House

00:04:23.460 of Commons, holding the government to account and championing the very things that I ran on in the

00:04:27.720 platform. And I'm very honored to have that opportunity to advocate for those values and advocate for

00:04:32.680 for my constituents. I think there's a lot of silver lining to the election, of course, disappointing

00:04:36.700 that Pierre Polyev didn't become prime minister. I think that's what so many people hoped and

00:04:40.480 expected. But obviously, the Conservatives doing so well in Ontario, increasing, you know, the popular

00:04:45.960 vote up to 41%. Unbelievable that 41% isn't enough to get to a majority in Canada anymore. And I just

00:04:53.140 want to know, like, what's in store next? What is when do you get sworn in to be an MP? A lot of people

00:04:58.120 asking questions around Pierre Polyev, and we'll get to some of the media reports about his future,

00:05:02.580 presumably staying on as leader. What will happen, though, with him not having a seat in the Parliament?

00:05:08.440 So as for the timeline for me, I don't know, I'm learning a lot about this process. I'd obviously thought

00:05:13.240 about what's going to happen when I'm in Parliament, but I hadn't really thought of that period between

00:05:17.360 the election and there. I've already had some onboarding from the House of Commons, which has been really

00:05:23.120 interesting. And I'm doing some orientation in Ottawa next week. And I think that it sounds like

00:05:29.320 Parliament could be coming back pretty soon. So I don't know. But rest assured, if people follow me

00:05:34.060 on social media, I'll have all the information about when the swearing in is happening. As far as

00:05:39.160 Pierre goes, I think he should be tremendously proud of what he did. He not just ran a campaign that

00:05:43.820 attracted, as you mentioned, 41% of the national popular vote. But that number is important,

00:05:49.080 because that's higher than the Conservatives got, even when we won a majority government

00:05:53.940 in 2011 with Stephen Harper. The issue was not the number of votes. The issue is that under the

00:06:00.580 first-past-the-post system, the distribution can sometimes be a little bit messy. And what we saw

00:06:05.500 this election was a surge in Conservative support, but a complete collapse of the NDP voice and vote.

00:06:13.400 And that's very difficult to compete with if you have the NDP vote coalescing behind the Liberals,

00:06:19.460 which happened in a number of ridings. Now, I'm not saying there's anything unfair about that. That's

00:06:23.260 the democratic process. And I think it's a byproduct of the NDP being such a weak, non-existent political

00:06:30.400 force over the last few years. If you're an NDP voter, and you're looking at your party just propping

00:06:36.040 up the Liberals blindly in exchange for nothing, you're saying, all right, well, I guess, you know,

00:06:40.520 why have the middleman? Why not just vote Liberal? And I think that's what a lot of New Democrats did.

00:06:45.740 But conversely, a lot of New Democrat voters came to the Conservatives. We saw success in ridings that

00:06:51.520 have oftentimes been NDP strongholds in my own city, in London, Fanshawe, one riding there that

00:06:56.940 the Conservatives have held once in its history. And I think that was in 84 when Mulroney had that

00:07:01.860 massive majority. We had a sweep of Windsor. We picked up in Hamilton. So these are areas that show

00:07:09.060 that Pierre Polyev has expanded the Conservative base, which is what we always talk about as being

00:07:14.120 necessary for a long-term victory. So I think there's a lot to be proud of. And Pierre will

00:07:19.020 continue to lead this party.

00:07:21.140 It's so interesting because there are some demographics, like all those union endorsements

00:07:25.260 really helped Polyev, as you mentioned, with working class towns. Also young Canadians, like young

00:07:30.600 voters really showed up for Pierre in a way that I haven't seen happen for Conservatives in a long

00:07:34.720 time and new Canadians as well. There was a lot of riding like Unionville Markham went for the

00:07:41.800 Conservatives, which is very interesting. All of Richmond Hill as well. Okay, Andrew, I want to get

00:07:45.960 to the news because this, I think to so many Canadians who did not want Mark Carney to win,

00:07:51.700 is so frustrating because this idea that the media narrative created from very early on that President

00:07:57.620 Trump was a sexual threat to Canada and that Mark Carney was the man with the plan and he was the one

00:08:01.900 that could combat Donald Trump. I think so many Liberal voters believe that and so many of them

00:08:06.700 had that idea in their head. Well, it took less than 72 hours, from my perspective, for this illusion

00:08:12.140 to just completely evaporate. And President Trump on Wednesday came out again with the 51st state

00:08:17.880 rhetoric, with the, you know, just provocative statements about Canada. And I think he exposed

00:08:24.760 Mark Carney for being two-faced because, again, Mark Carney, even in his election victory speech,

00:08:30.000 even after the campaign was over, he doubled down on his anti-Americanism. He said in that speech

00:08:34.560 that our relationship with the United States is over, which is so dramatic. And here is President

00:08:39.740 Trump speaking glowingly about Mark Carney, saying that Mark Carney called him up and said,

00:08:44.380 let's make a deal. And basically saying that he thinks that Pierre Polyev was harder on him than

00:08:50.860 Mark Carney. This is all just totally in direct contradiction to the media narrative. So let's play this clip

00:08:55.760 of President Trump in the Oval Office yesterday.

00:08:59.100 President, the Minister of Canada ran against, not only against the Conservatives, but also against

00:09:05.020 you. Yesterday, he spoke about American betrayal. Are you interested in rebuilding relations with

00:09:15.660 Canada? And if so, how?

00:09:18.000 No, well, I think we're going to have a great relationship. He called me up yesterday. He said,

00:09:21.820 let's make a deal. You know, he was running for office. They were both, they both hated Trump.

00:09:27.180 And it was the one that hated Trump. I think the least that won. I actually think the Conservatives

00:09:33.020 hated me much more than the so-called liberal. He's a pretty liberal guy. But no, I spoke to him

00:09:38.960 yesterday. He couldn't have been nicer. And I congratulated him. You know, it was a very mixed 1.00

00:09:44.500 signal because it's almost even, even, which makes it very complicated for the country.

00:09:49.560 It's a pretty tight race. But he's a very nice gentleman. And we, he's going to come to the

00:09:56.640 White House very shortly.

00:09:58.460 To me, this shows that Mark Kearney is two-faced because to his Canadian audience,

00:10:02.260 he does the whole elbows up bit. He says our relationship is over. And he has very harsh

00:10:06.360 words for the Americans. And then according to Trump's retelling of it, I have no reason to

00:10:10.680 believe that Trump isn't being honest there. He's a very nice gentleman. You know, he's very nice.

00:10:14.580 He thinks that the Conservatives dislikes him more, which means that what Pierre Polyev was doing in

00:10:19.000 public is presumably also what's happening in private. Whereas for Mark Kearney, in public,

00:10:23.220 he's very harsh to Trump. In private, he's kissing the ring and being, you know, reconcilatory. What do

00:10:29.880 you think of all this, Andrew?

00:10:31.260 Yeah. I mean, the liberals were trying to stoke the very worst fear of what the U.S. was going to do

00:10:37.340 to Canada. And look, I think the U.S. threats needed to be taken seriously. And I think they

00:10:43.360 were. I think tariffs on their own are incredibly unjust. They're unjustified. They're wrong.

00:10:49.440 They hurt both countries. They put, in my writing especially, a lot of agriculture and manufacturing.

00:10:54.720 It threw a lot of that into jeopardy and peril. So threats did need to be taken seriously. But the

00:10:59.920 liberals were trying to stoke the very worst. They were trying to say, you know, that they were trying

00:11:04.560 to make all of these claims that weren't supported by anything between the Canadian conservatives and

00:11:08.900 the Trump administration. And in the end, when Trump was speaking very candidly throughout the

00:11:14.240 campaign about how he'd prefer the liberal, what I and others had said is that he prefers weak

00:11:19.040 leadership. He knew that either a weakened Canada would be better for the U.S. or he knew that Mark

00:11:24.620 Kearney was going to suck up and kiss the ring. I mean, we still do not know what Mark Kearney's 0.92

00:11:30.120 business dealings are. He has never disclosed these things publicly. We don't know

00:11:34.180 where his money is tied up. We don't even know if he has business dealings with Donald

00:11:38.180 Trump. We actually have no idea. And the reality is, this was not some game of 3D chess on Trump's

00:11:45.440 part. He was very clear that he wanted Mark Kearney in there. And I think we're seeing this.

00:11:49.400 Well, you mentioned blind trust. Interesting news today. Brookfield Asset Management announced

00:11:53.800 that they are reinvesting and investing in U.S. manufacturing. So this came out on Bloomberg.

00:11:59.100 I'll read from it quickly. Brookfield Infrastructure Partner LP is looking to invest in U.S.

00:12:03.040 manufacturing operations as companies plan to build new plants following President Trump's

00:12:07.360 tariff plans. Brookfield is looking at providing capital to companies that are planning to bring

00:12:11.620 new manufacturing back to the country, similar to the firm's $30 billion deal with Intel.

00:12:17.560 So not only is Mark Kearney out there trying to make a deal with President Trump now the election

00:12:22.460 is open, over, his company is also doing the thing that Trump wants to do. So from my perspective,

00:12:27.840 it seems like Trump is winning this trade war.

00:12:29.820 Yeah, I think you're right about that. And I think, you know, the theme of this election

00:12:34.320 for a lot of people was who's going to put Canada first. And Mark Kearney has not demonstrated

00:12:38.320 a willingness to do that. And I'm not exactly optimistic, having seen how the first few days

00:12:42.760 after the election are shaking out.

00:12:44.480 Okay, Andrew, I want to switch gears a little bit. I caught this on CBC on election night.

00:12:49.380 And here is Rosemary Barton speaking on election panel. And she's talking about how she's been

00:12:53.980 speaking to many conservatives who say that they want Pierre Poliev to step aside,

00:12:58.460 or that it's time to have a leadership review. Look, I talked to a lot of conservatives as

00:13:01.960 well. And I am not hearing this at all. So maybe Rosemary Barton has more conservative 0.94

00:13:06.420 friends than I do. I kind of doubt it. But I want to play this clip. You can see former

00:13:10.640 Alberta Premier Jason Kenney pushing back against it. But let's play this clip.

00:13:15.060 He was definitely laying the groundwork that he has no intention of leaving. And he was pointing

00:13:20.700 to the proof points as to why he deserves to stay and continue this fight. And I know

00:13:27.420 you think that he will. I do know people who are already gearing up to try and push him

00:13:33.720 out. We'll see what happens.

00:13:36.160 Well, I know a lot of conservatives in Canada. And I haven't heard that from anybody.

00:13:42.080 Not to say they don't exist.

00:13:43.940 Well, they exist. I don't know if they tell you, but they told me.

00:13:47.160 So, Rosemary Barton claiming to know more conservatives than Jason Kenney, than myself

00:13:52.680 and others. Look, I know that there was a bit of a campaign to undermine peer-poly of

00:13:57.400 during the election. That has all come out with the PCs, with Corey Tanike, who is Doug Ford's

00:14:03.360 chief of staff, a campaign manager. Doug Ford himself, there's been a bit of a back and

00:14:07.120 forth. Also, Tim Houston, the premier of Nova Scotia. I don't understand why, but he started

00:14:12.600 putting out campaign videos promoting himself right at the end of the election, which just seems

00:14:16.780 so wildly inappropriate to me. So, I know that there are some people in the orbit that are

00:14:23.680 looking to take peer-poly of his job, presumably. But as far as the grassroots and the base and

00:14:29.720 conservative partisans and members, this is not something that I'm hearing. So, I'm wondering if

00:14:33.540 you can react to all that.

00:14:35.300 Yeah. Look, I don't really care what Doug Ford is saying about the conservative leader. People who

00:14:43.640 are actually conservative are behind Pierre Polyevre and appreciate and understand what

00:14:48.540 he's done. And, you know, when I wrote my biography of Pierre, before I knew I'd be jumping into

00:14:53.340 politics, one of the points that I said there was that Pierre was leading a movement, not

00:14:58.620 just a party. And I think even with the unsuccessful outcome on election night, we saw that. We saw

00:15:05.100 that in the rallies. We saw that in the demographics shifting towards the conservatives. We saw it in young

00:15:10.520 people who are traditionally very difficult to get engaged in politics and very difficult to get out

00:15:15.440 to vote. And, you know, when I was out knocking on doors, areas that we did really well in in the

00:15:21.880 previous election, in my riding, we were still finding support there. But areas we didn't do well

00:15:29.280 in last time, we were finding a ton of support in because we were appealing to a demographic that

00:15:35.720 historically had not been voting or had not been voting conservative. And I think that itself is

00:15:40.740 really, really key. And it gives us something to build on moving forward. But there are people that

00:15:45.980 have their own ambitions and ulterior motives that are going to undermine Pierre, not because they think

00:15:49.860 it's in the best interests of the party, but because they think it's in their own best interests.

00:15:53.660 Well, I just don't see the constituency behind that. I think you're right that there it's not just the

00:15:58.280 political party. It is a movement. People are very invested in Pierre Polyevre. The excitement around him

00:16:03.100 has been there since he first declared leader. And I would say years before that, like I had him

00:16:07.240 on my show in 2020, 2021. And there were always really popular episodes, like people in the

00:16:12.820 audience, people in the conservative base really are inspired by Pierre Polyevre. So I just don't

00:16:18.180 see it coming. I think the media is trying to promote it and maybe some circles like people in the Ontario

00:16:22.660 PC party, which I don't understand. I think it's funny. And first of all, I think it's great to see

00:16:27.000 someone like Jamil Giovanni able to speak freely. We showed the clip of him yesterday, but he

00:16:33.080 he was out there on election night, just kind of finally just saying that we're not happy with

00:16:38.160 what Doug Ford did. He posted this hilarious meme on X, which I think, you know, a lot of the elite

00:16:43.980 establishment people were very angry at him for posting this meme. I thought, this is funny. We

00:16:48.860 have more and more millennials in the public office and, you know, they're kind of making light of

00:16:52.620 things like this. And so you can see Doug Ford ripping off an Ontario Peace t-shirt and having a

00:16:57.080 liberal shirt underneath looking like an old style wrestler. But Doug Ford himself came out and

00:17:02.900 addressed this. So he was speaking to reporters in Mississauga yesterday. And here's what he said

00:17:07.660 about the spat with Pierre Polyev. Why didn't you come out with Pierre Polyev and make these kinds

00:17:13.640 of statements during the campaign? I shouldn't interfere in the federal election. Last time I checked,

00:17:19.340 Pierre Polyev never came out in our election. Matter of fact, he, him or one of his lieutenants

00:17:26.520 told every one of his members, don't you dare go out and help the PCs. Isn't that ironic?

00:17:32.900 So, yeah, I don't know if it's just like an interpersonal spat or if they have some kind

00:17:38.140 of, maybe they're both wanting the same job. I don't know why Doug Ford is continuing this.

00:17:44.120 But I know Andrew Scheer, former conservative leader and conservative MP, was out there as

00:17:49.100 well. He was speaking on CTV's show with Vassie Capellos. And here is what he had to say.

00:17:54.760 Tim Houston said the conservatives are pushing more people away than pulling in. These are

00:17:59.560 conservatives. This isn't me just making it up. But it's just demonstrably false by the facts.

00:18:02.840 I mean, the facts are we, like, it doesn't make sense. But why didn't Pierre Polyev have

00:18:07.140 talked to Tim Houston or talked to Doug Ford? Isn't that weird? You can't simultaneously say

00:18:11.400 we pushed people away when we got more votes. That's just factually incorrect. That's just,

00:18:16.300 that doesn't work on a mathematical level. That's, I don't know what else to say. I mean,

00:18:21.360 we got more votes. We got a higher percentage. We won more seats. Clearly, we weren't pushing

00:18:25.880 people away. We reached historic highs. That's just a nonsensical statement that doesn't hold up

00:18:30.160 to a second's worth of scrutiny. So is this conservative infighting a problem? Or do you

00:18:35.920 think that this is just, like, a couple of people with big egos who wanted the top job and saw this

00:18:40.640 as their opportunity? And then someone like Andrew Scheer just saying, you know, the facts don't show

00:18:45.200 that Pierre Polyev actually had a huge loss. The facts show that our strategy is working and we

00:18:50.920 continue. Do you think conservative inviting is a problem? Look, I think the law, I think people who

00:18:55.920 are invested in the conservative movement and invested in the Conservative Party of Canada's

00:18:59.740 success understand what we achieved in the last election and, while disappointed, understand that

00:19:05.100 we have a mandate to hold the government to account and continue. This is not a moment in which we have

00:19:10.020 to rebuild. This is a moment in which we have to just keep forging ahead and continuing to grow and

00:19:15.060 get our message out. And, you know, look, I go into this as someone honoured to be a member of

00:19:20.460 parliament in the next parliament. I would have loved to have been doing that in government. But,

00:19:24.740 you know, my role is just as important in opposition if that's where the chips have fallen

00:19:29.300 to hold the government to account. And look, I don't know how long the next parliament is going

00:19:33.180 to last, but I do know that Mark Carney has given every indication that he is going to actually be

00:19:38.340 worse than Justin Trudeau for the economy. He was parading himself around as this, you know,

00:19:44.140 fiscally responsible centrist, but then he put his platform out in the 11th hour of the campaign

00:19:48.620 that called for a quarter of a trillion dollars more in spending over the next four years

00:19:52.720 than Justin Trudeau, who never met a tax hike in spending increase he didn't like,

00:19:57.700 than he had planned in the fall economic update. So I think Canadians will see very quickly

00:20:03.300 that we could not afford to give the Liberals a fourth term.

00:20:06.820 Okay. I want to move on to the next topic here for you, Andrew, just quickly get your thoughts

00:20:11.640 on this. So we saw Premier in Alberta, Danielle Smith, come out and say, first of all, that she

00:20:16.740 wanted a reset in relations, laying out a whole bunch of ground rules for what she thinks the 1.00

00:20:21.540 new relationship between the feds and Alberta should look like. Simultaneously, she changed the

00:20:26.360 Citizens Initiative Act to lower the threshold that would trigger a referendum. We had a constitutional

00:20:32.840 lawyer, Keith Wilson, joined the show yesterday and laid all out for us. Really interesting

00:20:37.180 development. What do you say to the Canadians and specifically folks in Alberta who are just

00:20:43.660 so disappointed and so dismayed with the election results that they've lost faith in the system

00:20:48.400 and they are interested or at least flirting with this idea of Alberta sovereignty and independence?

00:20:55.220 I'll be perfectly candid. I haven't followed a lot of this. I've only seen the headlines,

00:20:59.220 but generally speaking, I love this country and I believe in this country and I think this country

00:21:03.720 has room for all of the different geographic areas, all of the different political groups

00:21:09.420 and factions that we have and we need to stand up for Canada. And I think that if people feel

00:21:14.120 alienated, it's because the federal government has either taken them for granted or actively

00:21:18.700 rejected them. And I am not going to give up on Canada. I don't want anyone else to either.

00:21:23.560 Well, that's very well put. And obviously we will continue to follow those developments. Hopefully

00:21:29.620 it doesn't come to that. Hopefully this parliament is short-lived and the Conservatives can figure out

00:21:34.000 a way to gain power in Ottawa so that it doesn't come to this. But very interesting. Appreciate your

00:21:40.280 time today, Andrew. Great to have you back on the show. Don't be a stranger. And we wish you all the

00:21:44.780 best in your next endeavour in Ottawa. Thanks very much, Candice and everyone. It's great to be back.

00:21:49.240 All right. That's Andrew Lawton, MP-elect in the riding of Elgin St. Thomas, London South. Great

00:21:55.280 to have him on the show. All right, folks, this is all the time we have for today. We'll be back

00:21:58.260 again tomorrow with all the news. Thank you so much. I'm Candice Malcolm. This is the Candice Malcolm

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The Candice Malcolm Show - May 01, 2025

Trump EXPOSES Carney, CBC fakes story of conservative in-fighting (w⧸ MP-elect Andrew Lawton)

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