Trump EXPOSES Carney, CBC fakes story of conservative in-fighting (w⧸ MP-elect Andrew Lawton)
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Andrew Lawton is the newly elected MP for the riding of Elgin-St. Thomas-London South in Ontario. He joins us to talk about his transition from the legacy media world to the politics world, and why he decided to join the Tories.
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Hi, I'm Candace Malcolm, and this is The Candace Malcolm Show. We have a great episode for you
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today. We're going to talk about President Trump and his recent comments exposing Mark Carney.
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We've been reporting about this at Juneau News for over a month now, that there was a plan for
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Mark Carney to quietly fold to President Trump, quietly fold to the Americans right after the
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election. It took less than 72 hours for that to happen. Please do me a favor. I'm going to ask
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you to just quickly like this video. It just takes half a second. It really helps us with the
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algorithm. We want to get this show discovered by as many Canadians as possible. But before we get
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to the news, I'm very pleased today to be joined by one of my favorite guests at The Candace Malcolm
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Show, our friend, Andrew Lawton. Andrew is the Member of Parliament-elect for Elgin St. Thomas,
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London South. Andrew, congratulations and welcome to the show.
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Hey, thank you. It's good to be back, albeit in a very, very different capacity, but I'm very
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grateful to be here. Absolutely. So viewers know, and I'll just quickly recap their memory. Andrew
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is a longtime journalist. He was a radio host in London, Ontario. And then when he left the legacy
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media, oh, I don't know, maybe five or six years ago, we hired him. We scooped him up at True North
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and he moved his radio show over to our airways. And he was a longtime mainstay for True North. And
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sadly, we lost Andrew Lawton because he decided to abandon the independent media and join the
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Conservatives. We're very happy for you, Andrew. And he just recently was elected. So Andrew,
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why don't you walk us through your journey? Tell us about what it's like to go from being on this
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side of the interview to the other side and how the campaigning went out in London.
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Well, let me say, I haven't abandoned independent media. I'm still a strong supporter and a strong
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ally. And I'm happy to be here and will continue to support independent journalism. But my goodness,
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when the challenge of my role at True North as managing editor and host of my show was that
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I was on the front lines of a lot of the challenges facing this country for so long. And I was seeing,
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I was talking about just the decline and the hardship. And I had interviewed Pierre Polyevre and
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I'd reported on the Liberals and Mark Carney and all of that. And, you know, when time was coming up to
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where the election was, we thought was going to be, I felt I could not spend this election on the
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sidelines that the stakes were just too high. And I decided to, there was a longtime conservative
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member of parliament in a local riding that was not running again. And I really thought long and
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hard about it. I prayed about it and reluctantly talked to you about it. And knowing, knowing you
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would, you know, be encouraged, as you were very encouraging, but also at the same time, I think
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probably secretly hoping I might lose so that I could stay at True North. But you know what, I was so
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grateful for the support of not just you and our team, but all of the audience as well, a ton of
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whom I learned were right there in the riding. And we're so excited that, you know, they now had the
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opportunity to cast a ballot for me. And we fought, you know, really hard for the nomination. And then
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I became the candidate in November. And for the last, what is it, five, five months now, we've been
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plugging away day in, day out. And we're really honored with the victory we had with over 50% of the
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vote on Monday night. Wow, congratulations. And so was it what you expected? Or how are you feeling
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post election? Disappointed? Excited? What's it like at this point? It's funny you mentioned that
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it was a bit bittersweet, because we were so focused on our local riding and our campaign. And that was
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the only thing and you really like, when you're out knocking on doors, as I was from morning to night,
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you're not even really following the national story. So it took like, I had to take time each
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evening to catch up on, you know, what was happening with, you know, Pierre here and Mark
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Carney there, because that wasn't our what we were dealing with on the ground. And then at the end of
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it, we win. And we're so excited. And we're over the moon. And you have to take that moment and say,
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oh, wow, but yeah, we're actually disappointed, too. Because nationally, things didn't go the way
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they were supposed to. And the next day, so on Tuesday of this week, we were at the campaign office,
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just, you know, getting closing up loose ends and collecting signs and all of this stuff. And people
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were coming into the office. And I was expecting everyone to be all excited. And they're like,
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oh, this sucks. And I was like, well, no, it doesn't entirely. But but I understand it. So
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it was a bit of a bittersweet moment. But you know, the challenges that propelled me into politics
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are still there. And you know, I can use my voice now not, you know, doing a show, but in the House
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of Commons, holding the government to account and championing the very things that I ran on in the
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platform. And I'm very honored to have that opportunity to advocate for those values and advocate for
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for my constituents. I think there's a lot of silver lining to the election, of course, disappointing
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that Pierre Polyev didn't become prime minister. I think that's what so many people hoped and
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expected. But obviously, the Conservatives doing so well in Ontario, increasing, you know, the popular
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vote up to 41%. Unbelievable that 41% isn't enough to get to a majority in Canada anymore. And I just
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want to know, like, what's in store next? What is when do you get sworn in to be an MP? A lot of people
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asking questions around Pierre Polyev, and we'll get to some of the media reports about his future,
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presumably staying on as leader. What will happen, though, with him not having a seat in the Parliament?
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So as for the timeline for me, I don't know, I'm learning a lot about this process. I'd obviously thought
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about what's going to happen when I'm in Parliament, but I hadn't really thought of that period between
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the election and there. I've already had some onboarding from the House of Commons, which has been really
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interesting. And I'm doing some orientation in Ottawa next week. And I think that it sounds like
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Parliament could be coming back pretty soon. So I don't know. But rest assured, if people follow me
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on social media, I'll have all the information about when the swearing in is happening. As far as
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Pierre goes, I think he should be tremendously proud of what he did. He not just ran a campaign that
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attracted, as you mentioned, 41% of the national popular vote. But that number is important,
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because that's higher than the Conservatives got, even when we won a majority government
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in 2011 with Stephen Harper. The issue was not the number of votes. The issue is that under the
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first-past-the-post system, the distribution can sometimes be a little bit messy. And what we saw
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this election was a surge in Conservative support, but a complete collapse of the NDP voice and vote.
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And that's very difficult to compete with if you have the NDP vote coalescing behind the Liberals,
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which happened in a number of ridings. Now, I'm not saying there's anything unfair about that. That's
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the democratic process. And I think it's a byproduct of the NDP being such a weak, non-existent political
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force over the last few years. If you're an NDP voter, and you're looking at your party just propping
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up the Liberals blindly in exchange for nothing, you're saying, all right, well, I guess, you know,
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why have the middleman? Why not just vote Liberal? And I think that's what a lot of New Democrats did.
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But conversely, a lot of New Democrat voters came to the Conservatives. We saw success in ridings that
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have oftentimes been NDP strongholds in my own city, in London, Fanshawe, one riding there that
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the Conservatives have held once in its history. And I think that was in 84 when Mulroney had that
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massive majority. We had a sweep of Windsor. We picked up in Hamilton. So these are areas that show
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that Pierre Polyev has expanded the Conservative base, which is what we always talk about as being
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necessary for a long-term victory. So I think there's a lot to be proud of. And Pierre will
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It's so interesting because there are some demographics, like all those union endorsements
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really helped Polyev, as you mentioned, with working class towns. Also young Canadians, like young
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voters really showed up for Pierre in a way that I haven't seen happen for Conservatives in a long
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time and new Canadians as well. There was a lot of riding like Unionville Markham went for the
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Conservatives, which is very interesting. All of Richmond Hill as well. Okay, Andrew, I want to get
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to the news because this, I think to so many Canadians who did not want Mark Carney to win,
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is so frustrating because this idea that the media narrative created from very early on that President
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Trump was a sexual threat to Canada and that Mark Carney was the man with the plan and he was the one
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that could combat Donald Trump. I think so many Liberal voters believe that and so many of them
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had that idea in their head. Well, it took less than 72 hours, from my perspective, for this illusion
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to just completely evaporate. And President Trump on Wednesday came out again with the 51st state
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rhetoric, with the, you know, just provocative statements about Canada. And I think he exposed
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Mark Carney for being two-faced because, again, Mark Carney, even in his election victory speech,
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even after the campaign was over, he doubled down on his anti-Americanism. He said in that speech
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that our relationship with the United States is over, which is so dramatic. And here is President
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Trump speaking glowingly about Mark Carney, saying that Mark Carney called him up and said,
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let's make a deal. And basically saying that he thinks that Pierre Polyev was harder on him than
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Mark Carney. This is all just totally in direct contradiction to the media narrative. So let's play this clip
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of President Trump in the Oval Office yesterday.
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President, the Minister of Canada ran against, not only against the Conservatives, but also against
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you. Yesterday, he spoke about American betrayal. Are you interested in rebuilding relations with
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No, well, I think we're going to have a great relationship. He called me up yesterday. He said,
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let's make a deal. You know, he was running for office. They were both, they both hated Trump.
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And it was the one that hated Trump. I think the least that won. I actually think the Conservatives
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hated me much more than the so-called liberal. He's a pretty liberal guy. But no, I spoke to him
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yesterday. He couldn't have been nicer. And I congratulated him. You know, it was a very mixed
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signal because it's almost even, even, which makes it very complicated for the country.
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It's a pretty tight race. But he's a very nice gentleman. And we, he's going to come to the
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To me, this shows that Mark Kearney is two-faced because to his Canadian audience,
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he does the whole elbows up bit. He says our relationship is over. And he has very harsh
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words for the Americans. And then according to Trump's retelling of it, I have no reason to
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believe that Trump isn't being honest there. He's a very nice gentleman. You know, he's very nice.
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He thinks that the Conservatives dislikes him more, which means that what Pierre Polyev was doing in
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public is presumably also what's happening in private. Whereas for Mark Kearney, in public,
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he's very harsh to Trump. In private, he's kissing the ring and being, you know, reconcilatory. What do
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Yeah. I mean, the liberals were trying to stoke the very worst fear of what the U.S. was going to do
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to Canada. And look, I think the U.S. threats needed to be taken seriously. And I think they
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were. I think tariffs on their own are incredibly unjust. They're unjustified. They're wrong.
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They hurt both countries. They put, in my writing especially, a lot of agriculture and manufacturing.
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It threw a lot of that into jeopardy and peril. So threats did need to be taken seriously. But the
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liberals were trying to stoke the very worst. They were trying to say, you know, that they were trying
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to make all of these claims that weren't supported by anything between the Canadian conservatives and
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the Trump administration. And in the end, when Trump was speaking very candidly throughout the
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campaign about how he'd prefer the liberal, what I and others had said is that he prefers weak
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leadership. He knew that either a weakened Canada would be better for the U.S. or he knew that Mark
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Kearney was going to suck up and kiss the ring. I mean, we still do not know what Mark Kearney's
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business dealings are. He has never disclosed these things publicly. We don't know
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where his money is tied up. We don't even know if he has business dealings with Donald
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Trump. We actually have no idea. And the reality is, this was not some game of 3D chess on Trump's
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part. He was very clear that he wanted Mark Kearney in there. And I think we're seeing this.
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Well, you mentioned blind trust. Interesting news today. Brookfield Asset Management announced
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that they are reinvesting and investing in U.S. manufacturing. So this came out on Bloomberg.
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I'll read from it quickly. Brookfield Infrastructure Partner LP is looking to invest in U.S.
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manufacturing operations as companies plan to build new plants following President Trump's
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tariff plans. Brookfield is looking at providing capital to companies that are planning to bring
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new manufacturing back to the country, similar to the firm's $30 billion deal with Intel.
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So not only is Mark Kearney out there trying to make a deal with President Trump now the election
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is open, over, his company is also doing the thing that Trump wants to do. So from my perspective,
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Yeah, I think you're right about that. And I think, you know, the theme of this election
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for a lot of people was who's going to put Canada first. And Mark Kearney has not demonstrated
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a willingness to do that. And I'm not exactly optimistic, having seen how the first few days
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Okay, Andrew, I want to switch gears a little bit. I caught this on CBC on election night.
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And here is Rosemary Barton speaking on election panel. And she's talking about how she's been
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speaking to many conservatives who say that they want Pierre Poliev to step aside,
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or that it's time to have a leadership review. Look, I talked to a lot of conservatives as
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well. And I am not hearing this at all. So maybe Rosemary Barton has more conservative
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friends than I do. I kind of doubt it. But I want to play this clip. You can see former
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Alberta Premier Jason Kenney pushing back against it. But let's play this clip.
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He was definitely laying the groundwork that he has no intention of leaving. And he was pointing
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to the proof points as to why he deserves to stay and continue this fight. And I know
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you think that he will. I do know people who are already gearing up to try and push him
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Well, I know a lot of conservatives in Canada. And I haven't heard that from anybody.
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Well, they exist. I don't know if they tell you, but they told me.
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So, Rosemary Barton claiming to know more conservatives than Jason Kenney, than myself
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and others. Look, I know that there was a bit of a campaign to undermine peer-poly of
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during the election. That has all come out with the PCs, with Corey Tanike, who is Doug Ford's
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chief of staff, a campaign manager. Doug Ford himself, there's been a bit of a back and
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forth. Also, Tim Houston, the premier of Nova Scotia. I don't understand why, but he started
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putting out campaign videos promoting himself right at the end of the election, which just seems
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so wildly inappropriate to me. So, I know that there are some people in the orbit that are
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looking to take peer-poly of his job, presumably. But as far as the grassroots and the base and
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conservative partisans and members, this is not something that I'm hearing. So, I'm wondering if
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Yeah. Look, I don't really care what Doug Ford is saying about the conservative leader. People who
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are actually conservative are behind Pierre Polyevre and appreciate and understand what
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he's done. And, you know, when I wrote my biography of Pierre, before I knew I'd be jumping into
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politics, one of the points that I said there was that Pierre was leading a movement, not
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just a party. And I think even with the unsuccessful outcome on election night, we saw that. We saw
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that in the rallies. We saw that in the demographics shifting towards the conservatives. We saw it in young
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people who are traditionally very difficult to get engaged in politics and very difficult to get out
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to vote. And, you know, when I was out knocking on doors, areas that we did really well in in the
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previous election, in my riding, we were still finding support there. But areas we didn't do well
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in last time, we were finding a ton of support in because we were appealing to a demographic that
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historically had not been voting or had not been voting conservative. And I think that itself is
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really, really key. And it gives us something to build on moving forward. But there are people that
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have their own ambitions and ulterior motives that are going to undermine Pierre, not because they think
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it's in the best interests of the party, but because they think it's in their own best interests.
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Well, I just don't see the constituency behind that. I think you're right that there it's not just the
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political party. It is a movement. People are very invested in Pierre Polyevre. The excitement around him
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has been there since he first declared leader. And I would say years before that, like I had him
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on my show in 2020, 2021. And there were always really popular episodes, like people in the
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audience, people in the conservative base really are inspired by Pierre Polyevre. So I just don't
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see it coming. I think the media is trying to promote it and maybe some circles like people in the Ontario
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PC party, which I don't understand. I think it's funny. And first of all, I think it's great to see
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someone like Jamil Giovanni able to speak freely. We showed the clip of him yesterday, but he
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he was out there on election night, just kind of finally just saying that we're not happy with
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what Doug Ford did. He posted this hilarious meme on X, which I think, you know, a lot of the elite
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establishment people were very angry at him for posting this meme. I thought, this is funny. We
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have more and more millennials in the public office and, you know, they're kind of making light of
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things like this. And so you can see Doug Ford ripping off an Ontario Peace t-shirt and having a
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liberal shirt underneath looking like an old style wrestler. But Doug Ford himself came out and
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addressed this. So he was speaking to reporters in Mississauga yesterday. And here's what he said
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about the spat with Pierre Polyev. Why didn't you come out with Pierre Polyev and make these kinds
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of statements during the campaign? I shouldn't interfere in the federal election. Last time I checked,
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Pierre Polyev never came out in our election. Matter of fact, he, him or one of his lieutenants
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told every one of his members, don't you dare go out and help the PCs. Isn't that ironic?
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So, yeah, I don't know if it's just like an interpersonal spat or if they have some kind
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of, maybe they're both wanting the same job. I don't know why Doug Ford is continuing this.
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But I know Andrew Scheer, former conservative leader and conservative MP, was out there as
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well. He was speaking on CTV's show with Vassie Capellos. And here is what he had to say.
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Tim Houston said the conservatives are pushing more people away than pulling in. These are
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conservatives. This isn't me just making it up. But it's just demonstrably false by the facts.
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I mean, the facts are we, like, it doesn't make sense. But why didn't Pierre Polyev have
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talked to Tim Houston or talked to Doug Ford? Isn't that weird? You can't simultaneously say
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we pushed people away when we got more votes. That's just factually incorrect. That's just,
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that doesn't work on a mathematical level. That's, I don't know what else to say. I mean,
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we got more votes. We got a higher percentage. We won more seats. Clearly, we weren't pushing
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people away. We reached historic highs. That's just a nonsensical statement that doesn't hold up
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to a second's worth of scrutiny. So is this conservative infighting a problem? Or do you
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think that this is just, like, a couple of people with big egos who wanted the top job and saw this
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as their opportunity? And then someone like Andrew Scheer just saying, you know, the facts don't show
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that Pierre Polyev actually had a huge loss. The facts show that our strategy is working and we
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continue. Do you think conservative inviting is a problem? Look, I think the law, I think people who
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are invested in the conservative movement and invested in the Conservative Party of Canada's
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success understand what we achieved in the last election and, while disappointed, understand that
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we have a mandate to hold the government to account and continue. This is not a moment in which we have
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to rebuild. This is a moment in which we have to just keep forging ahead and continuing to grow and
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get our message out. And, you know, look, I go into this as someone honoured to be a member of
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parliament in the next parliament. I would have loved to have been doing that in government. But,
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you know, my role is just as important in opposition if that's where the chips have fallen
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to hold the government to account. And look, I don't know how long the next parliament is going
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to last, but I do know that Mark Carney has given every indication that he is going to actually be
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worse than Justin Trudeau for the economy. He was parading himself around as this, you know,
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fiscally responsible centrist, but then he put his platform out in the 11th hour of the campaign
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that called for a quarter of a trillion dollars more in spending over the next four years
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than Justin Trudeau, who never met a tax hike in spending increase he didn't like,
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than he had planned in the fall economic update. So I think Canadians will see very quickly
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that we could not afford to give the Liberals a fourth term.
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Okay. I want to move on to the next topic here for you, Andrew, just quickly get your thoughts
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on this. So we saw Premier in Alberta, Danielle Smith, come out and say, first of all, that she
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wanted a reset in relations, laying out a whole bunch of ground rules for what she thinks the
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new relationship between the feds and Alberta should look like. Simultaneously, she changed the
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Citizens Initiative Act to lower the threshold that would trigger a referendum. We had a constitutional
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lawyer, Keith Wilson, joined the show yesterday and laid all out for us. Really interesting
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development. What do you say to the Canadians and specifically folks in Alberta who are just
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so disappointed and so dismayed with the election results that they've lost faith in the system
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and they are interested or at least flirting with this idea of Alberta sovereignty and independence?
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I'll be perfectly candid. I haven't followed a lot of this. I've only seen the headlines,
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but generally speaking, I love this country and I believe in this country and I think this country
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has room for all of the different geographic areas, all of the different political groups
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and factions that we have and we need to stand up for Canada. And I think that if people feel
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alienated, it's because the federal government has either taken them for granted or actively
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rejected them. And I am not going to give up on Canada. I don't want anyone else to either.
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Well, that's very well put. And obviously we will continue to follow those developments. Hopefully
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it doesn't come to that. Hopefully this parliament is short-lived and the Conservatives can figure out
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a way to gain power in Ottawa so that it doesn't come to this. But very interesting. Appreciate your
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time today, Andrew. Great to have you back on the show. Don't be a stranger. And we wish you all the
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best in your next endeavour in Ottawa. Thanks very much, Candice and everyone. It's great to be back.
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All right. That's Andrew Lawton, MP-elect in the riding of Elgin St. Thomas, London South. Great
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to have him on the show. All right, folks, this is all the time we have for today. We'll be back
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