The Candice Malcolm Show - May 07, 2025


Trump WALKS ALL OVER Carney in EXPLOSIVE Oval Office meeting


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Candace Malan talks about the embarrassing first bilateral meeting between Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney and President Donald Trump in the Oval Office, and why it was a disaster for both of them. She also explains why it's a good thing that Canada chose a new Prime Minister.

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00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Candace Malcolm, and this is The Candace Malcolm Show.
00:00:05.500 All right, folks, we are doing a second episode today because something unbelievable just
00:00:09.340 happened in Washington, D.C. Mark Carney and Donald Trump met in the Oval Office.
00:00:13.880 Things were going OK, kind of.
00:00:15.820 Donald Trump was sort of humiliating.
00:00:17.620 Mark Carney, like, low level, just taking jabs and shots.
00:00:20.460 And then the Q&A happened and everything unraveled and fell apart.
00:00:24.340 And it was chaos.
00:00:25.100 And it was humiliating for Mark Carney and for Canada.
00:00:27.560 We're going to get to it all.
00:00:28.680 But quickly, if I could just ask you to do me a quick favor, hit the like button.
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00:00:37.180 All right, folks.
00:00:38.000 So Mark Carney was in Washington, D.C.
00:00:41.140 As I said, they did their first official bilateral meeting between the Canadian delegation and
00:00:46.260 the Americans in the Oval Office with President Donald Trump.
00:00:49.360 I think this was a bad idea in the first place.
00:00:51.580 I think that after what happened with Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky, he was just absolutely
00:00:57.220 lambasted in this Oval Office, in that exchange that happened where J.D.
00:01:01.420 Vance and Donald Trump just absolutely destroyed him.
00:01:04.860 And it was so devastating for Zelensky and his image and everything he was trying to do.
00:01:10.020 I'm surprised that any world leader would go into this stage again, into the sort of lion's
00:01:15.140 den.
00:01:15.380 And yet here we have Mark Carney, just what, one week and a half after winning the Canadian
00:01:20.180 election, shows up in Washington with his delegation.
00:01:23.740 And let me just add that his delegation is entirely made up of former Trudeau liberal
00:01:28.880 cabinet ministers.
00:01:29.600 So from the Trump perspective, the same administration that he absolutely loathed, right?
00:01:35.080 Justin Trudeau was out there undermining and trying to embarrass President Trump at every
00:01:39.420 opportunity, always taking jabs at Trump, always sort of trying to pretend that Canadians were 0.54
00:01:44.080 somehow better than Americans and taking shots at Trump.
00:01:47.740 Same with Chrystia Freeland, his former deputy prime minister.
00:01:50.580 You know, the whole idea, the whole reason why Carney was even able to get elected in the
00:01:55.320 first place is in part because he represented change in the minds of some Canadians.
00:01:58.720 It's not really a new administration.
00:02:00.500 When you show up with Dominic LeBlanc, Melanie Jolie, and I believe that's Bill Blair, the same
00:02:05.320 people that were part of the Trudeau government.
00:02:07.040 But alas, this is what happened.
00:02:09.240 And I want to basically play it to you in its entirety, and I will jump in and make comments
00:02:15.480 where necessary.
00:02:16.700 So here it is, folks.
00:02:18.160 This is the first bilateral agreement, bilateral meeting between President Trump and Prime Minister
00:02:23.840 Mark Carney.
00:02:25.020 It's a great honor to have Prime Minister Mark Carney with us.
00:02:28.680 As you know, just a few days ago, he won a very big election in Canada.
00:02:32.480 And I think I was probably the greatest thing that happened to him, but I can't take vote.
00:02:38.940 His party was losing by a lot, and he ended up winning.
00:02:43.840 So I really want to congratulate him.
00:02:45.540 It was probably one of the greatest comebacks in the history of politics, maybe even greater
00:02:50.040 than mine.
00:02:51.740 But I want to just congratulate you.
00:02:54.200 It was a great election, actually.
00:02:55.860 We were watching it with interest, and I think Canada chose a very talented person, a very
00:03:00.320 good person, because we spoke before the election quite a few times.
00:03:05.000 And to not...
00:03:05.580 Okay, we could stop it there for a second, or you could just mute it, and we'll keep it
00:03:08.400 playing.
00:03:08.820 So, folks, at home watching, Trump just spends a minute here just talking about the renovations
00:03:12.840 that they've done to the Oval Office.
00:03:14.960 But you could just see it from the beginning, like, Mark Carney has put in an awkward situation,
00:03:18.900 right?
00:03:19.060 Because Trump does what Trump does, right?
00:03:20.920 He says that he himself, like, Trump was the greatest thing that's ever happened to Mark
00:03:24.880 Carney, and Mark Carney just has to kind of make a face.
00:03:26.980 Like, it's not his turn to talk.
00:03:28.220 And so he can't, like, talk over Trump and interrupt him.
00:03:30.800 Yeah, you can see from the B-roll here that they're just still talking about the renovation
00:03:34.400 that's gone on in the room around him.
00:03:36.360 Trump loves to sort of facilitate and be the host.
00:03:38.780 But Carney's put in an awkward situation there.
00:03:40.620 He just kind of has to smirk.
00:03:41.980 Trump takes credit, basically, for what happened to Carney.
00:03:44.640 He says it was the greatest political comeback in history, even more of a political comeback
00:03:48.520 than his own.
00:03:49.700 So what he's really saying is that, like, the liberals were completely devastated and down
00:03:53.540 and out.
00:03:53.980 And if it wasn't for him, Carney wouldn't be there, wouldn't be a prime minister, which is true.
00:03:57.760 We all know this, right?
00:03:58.780 But the fact that he is at a official, bilateral, like, state-by-state meeting here, and Trump
00:04:04.160 is saying this, it's just embarrassing for Carney.
00:04:06.620 I'm going to skip ahead here because Trump goes down a tangent.
00:04:09.380 You can see he's zooming in on Marco Rubio because he starts talking about the Houthis and
00:04:13.280 funding wars in the Middle East and beyond.
00:04:15.340 You can see J.D. Vance there as well, the vice president.
00:04:17.420 I'll just skip ahead here, and we can go back to Trump speaking about Canada.
00:04:22.140 Mark, would you like to say a few words?
00:04:23.760 Well, thank you, Mr. President.
00:04:25.480 I'm on the edge of my seat, actually.
00:04:28.660 But thank you for your hospitality and, above all, for your leadership.
00:04:33.820 You're a transformational president, a focus on the economy with a relentless focus on the
00:04:39.440 American worker, securing your borders, ending the scourge of fentanyl and other opioids,
00:04:46.380 and securing the world.
00:04:49.600 And I've been elected with my colleagues here, with the help of my colleagues here, I'm going
00:04:54.760 to spread the credit, to transform Canada with a similar focus on the economy, securing our
00:05:02.700 borders, again, on fentanyl, much greater focus on defense and security, securing the
00:05:09.060 Arctic and developing the Arctic.
00:05:10.360 And, you know, the history of Canada and the U.S. is we're stronger when we work together,
00:05:15.360 and there's many opportunities to work together.
00:05:17.280 And I look forward to, you know, addressing some of those issues that we have, but also
00:05:21.340 finding those areas of mutual cooperation so we can work.
00:05:24.980 That's great.
00:05:25.520 Very nice.
00:05:26.080 Thank you very much.
00:05:26.920 It's a very nice statement.
00:05:27.860 Okay.
00:05:28.220 So let me just pause it for a second there.
00:05:30.160 Let me just pause it.
00:05:30.820 So from, like, that in and of itself was actually pretty good, right?
00:05:34.380 Like, I wouldn't say that Mark Carney necessarily, like, went in there and kissed the ring, but
00:05:38.340 he was jovial, he was friendly, he was affable.
00:05:40.780 You could tell that they have a better relationship and a better rapport than Trump did with Trudeau.
00:05:44.820 So already they're on to a better start.
00:05:46.940 But, you know, despite the quite positive, I would say, back and forth, it was quite short.
00:05:51.040 Again, Trump spent, like, half of the time that he was talking, talking about the room
00:05:54.020 he was in, and then a different war in a different part of the world, and not really
00:05:57.580 much about Canada other than taking credit for our election.
00:06:00.120 And then Mark Carney kind of said what he had to say.
00:06:01.860 He was much more deferential to Trump than he ever would have been in Canada.
00:06:05.980 Now, remember, here at Juno News, we actually reported this.
00:06:08.640 We reported that the head of the Eurasia Group, who employs Mark Carney's wife and employs
00:06:14.000 Mark Carney's advisor, Gerald Butts, this is Ian Bremner, he said that Canada would quietly
00:06:19.340 fold after the election, that Mark Carney would quietly fold.
00:06:21.860 I think that's what we just saw, right?
00:06:23.180 We just saw him say to Trump, you're a transformational president, you've done so much for the worker,
00:06:27.620 we really admire you, and we want to build up your relationship, and then hit all the
00:06:30.780 points that Trump want, and fentanyl, the border, the Arctic, carrying our fair share
00:06:35.420 when it comes to military expenditures, etc.
00:06:38.340 So really different than the Mark Carney on the election campaign, really different than
00:06:42.740 the Mark Carney that spoke to older liberal boomers and convinced basically all NDP voters
00:06:47.840 across the country to go on his side.
00:06:49.780 Quite a different look.
00:06:50.600 If I were one of those liberals, one of those people who was an NDP voter that switched sides
00:06:54.920 and put Mark Carney over the edge, I would look at that and feel a little bit betrayed,
00:06:58.840 feel a little bit like Mark Carney put his elbows down.
00:07:02.120 But that's just the start, right?
00:07:04.840 Then the Q&A happens, and then the media get their chance, and this is where things go really
00:07:10.180 sideways for Mark Carney.
00:07:12.140 Again, I don't really know why he agreed to do this in the first place.
00:07:14.700 If they had just done a quick meeting and, you know, say, here we are, we're doing our
00:07:18.760 meeting, we're going to go negotiate behind closed doors, that would have been better.
00:07:21.740 So journalists ask a question, and again, this is where it just gets really uncomfortable
00:07:24.480 because President Trump resumes his rhetoric, right?
00:07:27.040 The whole 51st state thing didn't go away.
00:07:28.900 Carney pretended that Trump respects Canadian sovereignty during the campaign, but that's
00:07:32.960 not even true.
00:07:34.040 President Trump, you can tell, he continues to think, he truly believes that it would
00:07:37.640 be better if North America were just one giant country.
00:07:40.520 And so he goes on his typical rant, basically, about how the border shouldn't exist, is artificial.
00:07:47.000 And Mark Carney's just left sitting there, looking sheepish, kind of grinning.
00:07:50.600 What can he really say?
00:07:51.660 He can't really say anything.
00:07:53.420 And President Trump is just walking all over him.
00:07:55.620 It's really, really embarrassing.
00:07:57.120 Okay, let's play this clip.
00:07:58.020 Mr. President, you have said that Canada should become the first state.
00:08:02.080 No, no.
00:08:03.800 Well, I still believe that, but, you know, it takes two to tango, right?
00:08:08.200 But no, I do.
00:08:09.220 I mean, I believe it would be a massive tax cut for the Canadian citizens.
00:08:13.660 You get free military, you get tremendous medical cares and other things.
00:08:20.360 There would be a lot of advantages, but it would be a massive tax cut.
00:08:26.000 And it's also a beautiful, you know, as a real estate developer, you know, I'm a real
00:08:29.580 estate developer at heart.
00:08:30.820 When you get rid of that artificially drawn line, somebody drew that line many years ago
00:08:35.200 with like a ruler, just a straight line right across the top of the country.
00:08:39.200 When you look at that beautiful formation when it's together, I'm a very artistic person.
00:08:45.420 But when I looked at that beauty, I said that's the way it was meant to be.
00:08:48.840 But, you know, I guess I do feel it's much better for Canada.
00:08:54.360 But we're not going to be discussing that unless somebody wants to discuss it.
00:08:58.080 I think that there are tremendous benefits to the Canadian citizens, tremendously lower
00:09:03.740 taxes, free military, which honestly, we give you essentially anyway, because we're protecting
00:09:08.940 Canada if you ever had a problem.
00:09:11.300 But I think, you know, it would really be a wonderful marriage because it's two places
00:09:17.880 that get along very well.
00:09:19.080 They like each other a lot.
00:09:20.940 Well, if I may, as you know from real estate, there are some places that are never for
00:09:27.940 sale.
00:09:28.280 That's true.
00:09:28.720 We're sitting in one right now, you know, Buckingham Palace, and you visited as well.
00:09:32.540 That's true.
00:09:33.600 And having met with the owners of Canada over the course of the campaign last several months,
00:09:39.560 it's not for sale, won't be for sale ever.
00:09:42.880 But the opportunity is in the partnership and what we can build together.
00:09:48.180 And we have done that in the past.
00:09:49.320 And part of that, as the President just said, is with respect to our own security.
00:09:54.940 And my government is committed for a step change in our investment in Canadian security
00:10:00.980 and our partnership.
00:10:02.440 And I'll say this as well, that the President has revitalized international security, revitalized
00:10:09.180 NATO, and us playing our full weight in NATO.
00:10:12.020 And that will be part of it.
00:10:12.980 That's true.
00:10:13.400 And they have.
00:10:16.580 They have.
00:10:17.700 I must say, Canada is stepping up the military participation because Mark knew, you know,
00:10:25.320 they were low and now they're stepping it up.
00:10:27.080 And that's a very important thing.
00:10:28.580 But never say never.
00:10:29.740 Never say never.
00:10:32.640 So just pure chaos.
00:10:34.200 Absolute, utter chaos in the Oval Office.
00:10:36.540 And, you know, Mark Carney's lucky that the camera was zoomed in on Trump when he was
00:10:40.320 talking about the 51st state and the artificial border, because I would have hated to see Mark
00:10:44.400 Carney's face.
00:10:45.380 I'm sure he was just smirking and grimacing like he was when they zoomed out and he was
00:10:48.960 on camera.
00:10:49.340 But folks, like, what can he really do, right?
00:10:50.740 He could have jumped in and said, no, Mr. President, that's not going to happen.
00:10:54.620 But it would have been rude.
00:10:55.380 And Mark Carney, you could tell that he's trying to be a gentleman and that he's a polite person.
00:10:58.960 And so that's not really in his temperament.
00:11:00.840 He comes back with a decent line.
00:11:02.060 You know, some properties are just not for sale.
00:11:03.540 And Trump says that's true.
00:11:04.420 That's true.
00:11:04.660 But then Trump gets the final line in.
00:11:07.260 Never say never.
00:11:08.000 Right.
00:11:08.440 And really, like, again, what can Carney say?
00:11:11.880 He's just setting Trump up.
00:11:13.260 This whole thing was kind of a setup.
00:11:14.800 It was kind of a trap that the Canadians walked right into.
00:11:17.360 OK, next, we have a clip of Donald Trump just basically calling out Chrystia Freeland,
00:11:22.280 talking about Trudeau and how much he despised him, talking about Chrystia Freeland.
00:11:26.400 This is not good, folks.
00:11:28.140 This is not good.
00:11:28.960 OK, let's play this clip.
00:11:30.240 Is the U.S. prepared to walk away from that pact?
00:11:33.700 Or what, USMCA?
00:11:35.400 No, not.
00:11:36.060 No, no.
00:11:36.680 It's fine.
00:11:37.160 It's there.
00:11:37.760 It's good.
00:11:38.500 We use it for certain things.
00:11:40.140 It's there.
00:11:40.740 We have the USMCA is a good deal for everybody.
00:11:42.640 I won't say this about Mark, but I didn't like his predecessor.
00:11:48.760 I didn't like a person that worked.
00:11:50.420 She was terrible, actually.
00:11:51.680 She was a terrible person.
00:11:53.260 And she really hurt that deal very badly because she tried to take advantage of the deal, 0.88
00:11:58.560 and she didn't get away with it.
00:12:00.640 You know what I'm talking about.
00:12:01.780 But, so, you know, I had a, we had a bad, we had a bad relationship having to do with
00:12:08.860 the fact that we disagreed with the way they viewed the deal, and we ended it.
00:12:12.860 You know, we ended that, that relationship pretty much.
00:12:16.400 Trudeau, when I spoke to him, I used to call him Governor Trudeau.
00:12:19.020 I think that probably didn't help his election.
00:12:21.060 But when I spoke to him, I said, so why are we, why are we taking your cars?
00:12:25.640 Why are we taking your, we want to make them ourselves.
00:12:28.000 I mean, I said, and if the price of your cars went up, or if we put a tariff,
00:12:34.340 if we put a tariff on your cars of 25%, what would that mean to you?
00:12:40.040 He said, that would mean the end of Canada.
00:12:42.160 He actually said that to me.
00:12:43.800 And I said, that's a strange answer, but I understand his answer.
00:12:48.880 But, no, I mean, it's hard to justify subsidizing Canada to the tune of maybe $200 billion a year.
00:12:58.480 We protect Canada militarily, and we always will.
00:13:01.700 We're going to, you know, that's not a money thing.
00:13:03.760 That's, but we always will.
00:13:05.160 But, you know, it's not fair.
00:13:08.020 But why are we subsidizing Canada $200 billion a year, or whatever the number might be?
00:13:13.260 It's a very substantial number.
00:13:15.020 And it's hard for the American taxpayer to say, gee whiz, we love doing that.
00:13:20.240 Thank you very much.
00:13:21.120 We're going to have a very short story.
00:13:22.720 Thank you.
00:13:23.780 Thank you.
00:13:25.280 So you could just see Mark Kearney so uncomfortable.
00:13:28.340 He's grasping his hands.
00:13:29.540 You remember he was doing that during the debate as well.
00:13:31.840 But you could tell when he's uncomfortable.
00:13:33.820 And how could you not be when President Trump is smashing and slamming your predecessor,
00:13:38.480 naming names with Chrystia Freeland, basically, and just saying how terrible she was,
00:13:41.460 and then pivoting on to the auto sector, which is so important to Canada, well, at least Ontario,
00:13:45.920 and so much of what Mark Kearney has done has been to promote them.
00:13:48.580 And then they just say, like, that's a wrap, cut it off, and time to go.
00:13:52.800 Again, I don't know why Kearney would have fallen into this trap.
00:13:56.660 Yes, they were friendly.
00:13:57.700 You can tell that they're actually probably good friends behind the scenes.
00:14:01.060 But I would describe that an entire scene as just like a train wreck, a car crash.
00:14:05.460 Not good for Canada.
00:14:06.920 Okay, so after that event ended, Mark Kearney left.
00:14:10.540 He went to a nearby building.
00:14:12.440 He was on a rooftop.
00:14:13.460 And he gave an address.
00:14:14.700 And I just want to show the very first question that was asked to him was from a Canadian reporter from the Toronto Star, I believe.
00:14:20.920 And she just says, look, your face during that meeting was a total tell.
00:14:24.680 Tell us what was going through your mind when Donald Trump was talking, and what were you really thinking?
00:14:29.820 Let's play this clip.
00:14:30.860 Good afternoon, Prime Minister Tonda McCharles, Toronto Star.
00:14:33.900 And I was watching your face through the meeting in the Oval Office.
00:14:37.660 And I wondered what was going through your mind when the President talked about re-erasing the artificial border,
00:14:43.880 and how he criticized your predecessor and Madam Freeland.
00:14:49.140 Well, thank you for, I guess, for your question.
00:14:52.740 I'm glad that you couldn't tell what was going through my mind as that was going through.
00:14:57.280 Look, with respect to the first point, the President has made known his wish about that issue for some time.
00:15:12.380 I've been careful always to distinguish between wish and reality.
00:15:16.740 I was clear there in the Oval Office, as I've been clear throughout on behalf of Canadians,
00:15:22.340 that this is never going to happen.
00:15:23.940 Canada's not for sale.
00:15:24.960 It never will be for sale.
00:15:25.920 Some things, as I said in the room, some things are never for sale.
00:15:31.340 And he agreed with that.
00:15:33.200 So I distinguish between the two.
00:15:36.240 And then with respect to the importance of re-establishing a constructive relationship for negotiations of a partnership,
00:15:44.100 of an economic and security partnership, which is what we were here for,
00:15:47.920 I look forward, not back, and I think we established a good basis today.
00:15:53.340 Okay, so kind of amusing that Cardi said, well, you're asking that question, so that's good that you couldn't tell what was going through my head.
00:16:00.060 Yeah, we could all tell, buddy.
00:16:01.560 We could all tell that you had made a very big mistake, a bad decision to go to that meeting in the first place,
00:16:06.560 and that you couldn't contain your uncomfortableness and your awkwardness and basically the fact that President Trump was humiliating you by continuing with this rhetoric,
00:16:16.120 showing that he doesn't respect you as much as you played that he did.
00:16:19.380 I will give him some credit that, yes, the relationship does seem to be better than it was under Trudeau,
00:16:25.320 in part because Donald Trump seems to take great joy and glee from the fact that Mark Carney had this huge political comeback because of Donald Trump.
00:16:34.440 Like, Pierre Polly have basically lost because Donald Trump inserted himself into our election.
00:16:40.280 I don't think that that's even a stretch to say that Trump is a major reason, if not the biggest reason, why Carney was elected.
00:16:47.100 And therefore, Carney kind of owes Trump, right?
00:16:49.900 Like, Trump believes that he kind of did Carney a favor by helping him stay in power,
00:16:54.920 and therefore there's going to be some kind of a special relationship based on that,
00:16:58.480 which is not good for Canada, not good for the future of our two countries and future trade relationships.
00:17:04.960 Really unbelievable. What a train wreck.
00:17:07.020 All right, folks, that's all the time we have for today.
00:17:08.340 Thank you so much for tuning in. We'll be back again tomorrow with all the news.
00:17:10.700 I'm Candace Malcolm. This is the Candace Malcolm Show. Thank you and God bless.
00:17:17.100 Thank you.