The Candice Malcolm Show - UNCENSORED： What Poilievre should have done differently and how he can win the next election (with Wyatt Claypool)

00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Candace Malcolm and this is The Candace Malcolm Show. So we're doing a second segment

00:00:06.600 here with Wyatt Claypool. We just did a segment on the biggest winners and losers of the election.

00:00:12.760 So if you haven't already, go watch that one first. You can watch this one second before

00:00:16.820 we get back into it. I'm just going to ask you quickly to like the video. It really helps us

00:00:19.840 with the YouTube algorithm. It really helps us get discovered by more Canadians. Okay,

00:00:24.160 so in our biggest winners and losers list, we didn't explicitly put Pierre Polyev on either

00:00:29.360 list. And I think it's just because it's a gray area. There's a lot of good things that happened

00:00:33.660 on Monday night and a lot of not so good things that happened. So we wanted to do a separate

00:00:38.000 segment here to talk about our advice. We're giving some free advice to the Conservative Party,

00:00:42.200 the War Room and to Pierre Polyev and his campaign on what we think they should have done differently.

00:00:48.420 Now, I want to start by just putting one sort of rumor to rest. I don't think this is true

00:00:53.540 and it is spreading a lot. I hear this a lot from people. I heard it from Donald Trump,

00:00:57.560 President Donald Trump and many others that Pierre Polyev blew a 20 point lead. And while in a

00:01:03.920 certain sense, that might be true, I just want to walk you through the numbers and the facts here,

00:01:08.360 because look at this. This is from the polling aggregate 338. And it shows the polling numbers

00:01:13.640 dating back to January of 2024. Now, Wyatt and I talked in the last segment about why we don't always

00:01:19.620 trust the pollsters and we think that they got it wrong during the election. But I think generally

00:01:23.320 speaking, you can use it as a good barometer to find out where someone is polling. So if you go

00:01:27.360 back to January 2024 and go all the way through to today, you will see that yes, Pierre Polyev did

00:01:35.240 have a 20 point lead. But that is because the liberal numbers were so down. Pierre Polyev has the entire

00:01:41.440 time been polling around 40%. I would say that that is the average going back. It was right at 40%

00:01:47.120 in January 2024. It bumped up to 42%, 43% in the time when Justin Trudeau was just wildly unpopular.

00:01:55.880 And then he kind of stuck around in that 41% to 43% area. He got a little bit of a bump at the end

00:02:01.560 of the year, 2024 and beginning of 2025, when Justin Trudeau was just at peak weakness. And then you can

00:02:08.400 see the major thing that happened is that the NDP vote collapsed. So the NDP vote collapsed. They

00:02:13.300 basically did what Ezra Levant called a controlled demolition of the party. And all of their voters

00:02:18.460 did exactly what they were told and went over and voted for Mark Carney. So Mark Carney's victory

00:02:23.220 came at the expense of the NDP. Mark Carney did a miraculous 20 point turnaround. That's what he

00:02:29.720 accomplished. But in order to say that Pierre Polyev blew a 20 point lead, you would have to assume

00:02:33.760 that he fell 20 points. He didn't. He maintained his share. We talked about this before. He got more,

00:02:39.340 a greater percentage of the vote than any conservative has since the 80s, folks. And he

00:02:44.760 got a higher percent even than Stephen Harper in any of his governments and in his 2011 majority

00:02:50.960 government. Wyatt, what do you think? And like we mentioned in the last segment, the conservatives

00:02:56.720 also gained seats that they hadn't won in literally several decades. So this isn't something where

00:03:02.720 we've taken our geographical appeal and we've moved the borders a little bit over. In fact,

00:03:08.840 it was a very strange election where not only were the seats, like not only did the conservatives

00:03:15.040 gain a lot of seats, but the liberals just happened to gain even more seats. The thing with the

00:03:19.800 conservatives was, is that they ended up actually shifting their appeal in a more blue collar

00:03:25.300 direction. We had more minority supporters, a lot of union workers voting conservative, obviously

00:03:30.960 Western rural voters were still very solid conservative voters, but it's more so on the other side of

00:03:36.920 things. Things shifted in such a way for the liberal party that they ended up capturing a lot of seats

00:03:42.140 that maybe we assumed were safe. Not only was it Carlton, Pierre Polyev's seat, although again,

00:03:48.100 that was helped by a redistribution of boundaries into a more liberal area. And that was always a

00:03:53.940 riding I'd heard that Polyev in the past had had to fight for to maintain his 10% victory margin.

00:03:59.020 But we also lost Michelle Ferreri in Peterborough, who is a fantastic MP. We lost Carolyn Finley in South Surrey

00:04:06.740 White Rock. And these are just areas where we had just to, you know, in demographics, the demographics that

00:04:13.840 went against conservatives were older white voters, basically legacy media viewers. And obviously, if you're

00:04:20.140 watching a show like mine on YouTube or Candace's, you probably voted conservative no matter what age bracket

00:04:26.060 or other demographic you're a part of. But it did make a difference. Those were kind of the battle

00:04:31.860 lines of this election. It was those metropolitan suburban ridings that went more liberal, which were

00:04:37.400 usually which went very liberal if they were especially more older white ridings.

00:04:42.500 That is all very true. But I don't want to sugarcoat it. OK, I did an entire show on Tuesday of all the

00:04:46.900 good news from the election. I complimented Pierre Polyev. I think he ran a very good campaign. It's hard to

00:04:51.360 criticize the conservatives when they walk away with 41.3% of the vote. That is enough to win

00:04:56.600 in a majority government in almost any other circumstance. But because of the weird thing

00:05:00.460 that happened in this election, it wasn't enough. I do want to focus on my criticisms of the party

00:05:05.140 in this episode. And I want to kind of zero it in on two different areas. There were one strategy and

00:05:11.000 tactics and two the policy. So let's start with strategy and tactics because you mentioned losing

00:05:16.040 Carlton. Why? I think this is unforgivable. I think from a strategy perspective, I don't know. I don't

00:05:21.340 want to put the blame squarely on Pierre Polyev or whether it should be his campaign manager or his

00:05:25.820 war room or whatever it is. But it is so unforgivable for a party leader to basically be allowed to be

00:05:31.700 humiliated in the way that he did. Now, you mentioned that it was partially because of the

00:05:36.040 redrawing of the district. Well, that is something that we have known about for a very long time. It

00:05:41.000 should have been prepared, right? So if, you know, Pierre Polyev's writing used to be very rural and it

00:05:45.540 used to be a bit more reliable, if they all of a sudden they added suburbs that we know are

00:05:49.260 where government employees live and we know that federal employees are basically the base and the

00:05:53.760 constituency of the liberal party, that should have all been predictable in advance of the campaign.

00:06:01.440 And so I don't understand why they didn't put more resources, more volunteers, more money, have Pierre

00:06:06.480 Polyev spend more time in his writing if it was that much for concern. I mean, I'll say frankly, the Friday

00:06:11.320 before the campaign, I had you on my show and we called it Fake News Friday and we laughed at it, right? And I will

00:06:15.760 admit that we got it wrong. I'll admit to the audience that sometimes we get it wrong here at

00:06:18.940 The Candace Malcolm Show. I thought that the legacy media was lying about that, that they were pushing

00:06:22.700 this story to try to humiliate Polyev. I didn't realize that it was actually true, that he was

00:06:27.260 actually at risk of losing his seat and he did and it wasn't necessarily that close. And so if they knew

00:06:32.540 this in advance, which they should have, if they didn't know this in advance, they should all be

00:06:35.460 fired because this is unforgivable. Put Pierre Polyev in a safer writing. He's the leader of the party.

00:06:40.160 He's the head of a movement. He's done so much for the Conservative Party. Find a safer writing.

00:06:43.980 Come up with an excuse, say him and his family wanted to move out of the Ottawa area and they

00:06:47.640 moved to this part of rural Ontario. Put them in a safe seat. And so the fact that they didn't

00:06:51.340 is unforgivable. That is a huge L in my perspective. What do you think?

00:06:55.960 Well, and here's the thing I frequently say about people who work in politics in terms of campaign

00:07:02.300 staff and consultants and managers is that their big problem is that instead of being strategists and

00:07:08.920 managers, they become risk managers. That is all they care about. They end up really pulling

00:07:15.040 punches. They don't want to risk anything because what happens if it turns bad on us? What happens

00:07:19.560 if we actually get hurt by doing this? And you would think that these people who tend to be risk

00:07:24.040 averse would have made the tactical withdrawal from Carlton saying, hey, Polyev loved being the MP from

00:07:29.920 Carlton, but it is a riding where you have to really work for it if you're the Liberal or the Conservative.

00:07:34.820 And you can't really do that if you're the leader of a party. You can't be constantly jet setting back

00:07:39.220 to your riding in order just to hit another few hundred doors to make sure people know that you

00:07:43.680 still exist. You got to be out in the swing areas. So they should have been able to pull him back and

00:07:47.840 says he's going to move over to a safer area of Ontario. He's going to move to Calgary, going to

00:07:52.800 move to Edmonton. And the fact that, again, we assumed that he was going to win his riding partially on

00:07:58.780 the assumption that his team wouldn't let him run there if he couldn't win. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. I think

00:08:04.240 it's unforgivable. Okay. Next in the strategy and tactics column, this is something that Pierre

00:08:10.380 Polyev got accused of a lot. And I half agree with this one. The idea was that they hid from

00:08:15.040 legacy media. They refused to do sit down interviews. And oddly, they didn't do enough

00:08:18.940 with independent media, with content creators. I will say by the end of the campaign, Pierre Polyev

00:08:23.320 was out on podcasts. He did Jasmine Lane's podcast, I saw him on Northern Perspective. He was there,

00:08:29.500 but he didn't do very much of that. He didn't, like we said in the last episode, he didn't do a lot of

00:08:33.440 big US podcasts. I don't think that that really hurt him per se. But it did have, there was a sort

00:08:38.100 of image that he was kind of hiding, that he wasn't out there in the media in the way that he

00:08:43.360 has shown, been able to shine in the past. And on top of that, I heard this from so many people in

00:08:49.700 local campaigns that they wouldn't let local candidates do anything. Like local candidates

00:08:53.780 were not allowed to so much as do a local radio interview. They were told not to go to their all

00:08:58.040 candidates forum. They're basically told to just go knock on the doors. And that was a strategy.

00:09:02.400 And I know that that was a strategy in the past with the Harper government, like really tight

00:09:05.880 message control. Don't let anyone say anything. We don't want the national story to become about

00:09:10.140 some local candidate that slightly went off script. Like I understand all that. But I think in 2025,

00:09:15.460 with the media landscape, with everyone with social media, you have all these people who are assets,

00:09:19.340 all of your candidates. Why not let them go out there and field some questions and take on the

00:09:24.420 issues, right? Like you're only going to win the battle of ideas if you show up for the fight. And so it

00:09:29.020 was a little disappointing to see this strategy of sort of ducking and hiding. What do you think?

00:09:34.000 A few things on that. So first off, let's also just acknowledge the fact that while Harper's people

00:09:39.520 did do this, Harper also lost in 2015. Harper did this to perfection in 2015, just run a campaign that

00:09:48.000 makes people feel nice and easy. And you know, you don't make any mistakes and hopefully then they'll

00:09:52.920 return you to office. And the thing that he was hit for often, it might be unfair, but it's just how

00:09:57.680 people vote. They thought, well, Harper's stale. Harper's boring. Let's have the guy with nice hair

00:10:02.380 be the prime minister. And you know, we could say that a lot of voters fell for it, but that's just

00:10:07.000 how politics ends up working. Another thing too here is that anyone who knows anything about marketing

00:10:12.920 knows that you need a lot of different touch points with people in order to convince them that

00:10:17.440 you're the guy or that they should buy this product. And if they're only ever seeing you while

00:10:22.560 knocking their door, well, you're going to maybe talk to a third of voters. Cause if you've ever

00:10:27.840 gone door knocking, most people are not home all the time and putting a leaflet in their door and

00:10:32.560 them seeing a YouTube ad from HQ is not going to make a lot of people feel like I definitely got to

00:10:37.860 run out of the house at 7am to put a ballot in the ballot box for these people. And so they needed,

00:10:43.300 yeah, those little touch points, a local podcast, local radio show, they should be showing up to

00:10:48.260 events. I heard that candidates were having to ask permission to go to events. So apparently you

00:10:53.100 have to ask to go to a farmer's market. And, uh, in order, like, even though you need to connect with

00:10:59.320 people in your local area, I heard candidates who at some point they just said, uh, they had a

00:11:03.620 handler, they had a party handler with them. And eventually they kind of worked a relationship

00:11:08.600 with the handler where you pretend like you're trying to stop me from doing these things. So you

00:11:12.660 don't get fired. And I'm going to go speak to the community leaders and do the shows and do the

00:11:16.940 videos that I want to do because we got to win this thing. And they were probably right for doing

00:11:21.360 that. And then the last thing on this is that the conservative party, its strength over time has

00:11:28.040 always been that it's a party of big characters, big personalities, people who are really big

00:11:34.060 community figures. You could say that there's some of them are eccentric at the same time they won

00:11:38.680 back in the day. I always think of my former MP, Rob Anders, who always used to be able to win

00:11:44.380 easily in, in Calgary, uh, West and Calgary Signal Hill. You would win by rural numbers in the city

00:11:51.420 of Calgary, 75% in some of his, in some of his elections. Yes, it's a safe riding, but you only

00:11:57.320 make a riding that safe when there's a good portion of people who actually do like you.

00:12:01.560 And when you end up stripping away all the virtues of a candidate and you're just left with them as a

00:12:06.260 political machine going around asking people for votes, you're going to find that there's a certain

00:12:11.360 type of voter who thinks that, well, this feels a little bit like you're, I'm just being rushed

00:12:15.460 out to put a ballot in the ballot box. This isn't like the 1880s that, you know, we don't just stick

00:12:20.380 ballots in people's hands and force them into the booth. Well, it's, it's interesting because we

00:12:24.360 talked in the last segment about, uh, the People's Party, Maxine Bernier, and some of their criticisms

00:12:27.900 of the conservatives. And in this way, I do kind of prefer the American system where there is no

00:12:32.860 central party that controls all the candidates across the country. So what you end up happening in the

00:12:37.060 States, you have the individual representatives and candidates for the Republican Party actually

00:12:42.180 being more connected to the base. They have an incentive to be more conservative and more right

00:12:46.800 wing because they want to get elected. Whereas in Canada, it's almost the opposite where you,

00:12:51.120 we end up with, uh, well, this time around, certainly we have a more conservative leader.

00:12:55.300 And then in many ways, they've planted like red Tories throughout the campaign just to keep them quiet,

00:13:00.720 to keep them in line. They don't want to have the kind of big personalities like the

00:13:03.980 brawbanders that you talked about. And it is disappointing. I would have liked to say,

00:13:08.400 you know, it's 2025. You have to meet viewers where they are, do more things on TikTok,

00:13:11.520 get, get out there more, have more people articulating the vision of the future under

00:13:17.440 a conservative government. I think that this happened in the U.S. election, Wyatt, with,

00:13:21.140 it wasn't just Donald Trump, right? Like I talked to many people, Americans that were convinced to

00:13:26.180 vote for Trump when they saw J.D. Vance on the VP debate stage, because he just seemed so stable

00:13:30.560 and competent. And he was able to articulate Trump's vision in some ways better than Trump

00:13:34.580 himself. You also had people who voted for Trump because of someone like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. or

00:13:40.100 Tulsi Gabbard, people who were part of the coalition. And they were all empowered to go out there and

00:13:44.400 speak on behalf of the movement. And here in Canada, it just seemed like it was all on

00:13:48.440 Pierre Polyev's shoulders. And then again, his strategy was in many ways to not, I mean,

00:13:52.680 he was doing his rallies, yes. But at his rallies, he was sort of giving the same speech over and over

00:13:56.440 again. So you weren't really seeing anything new or dynamic on the campaign.

00:14:01.980 Some say the bubbles in an aero truffle piece can take 34 seconds to melt in your mouth.

00:14:06.600 Sometimes the very amount you're stuck at the same red light.

00:14:10.080 Rich, creamy, chocolatey aero truffle. Feel the aero bubbles melt. It's mind bubbling.

00:14:16.480 And that's the thing is that Polyev at his best is Polyev just doing what he wants.

00:14:21.640 Polyev at his best is Polyev on the debate stage where you can go in with a script, but

00:14:27.220 you can't exactly script out a debate. You got to kind of move on the spot. That's why

00:14:30.900 Mark Carney, frankly, wasn't very good on stage because if it's not a scripted answer, he's

00:14:35.100 going to fumble it. But he's always good on the debate stage. He's good on on Jordan Peterson's

00:14:40.580 podcast. He's good when he's connecting with people who may be low propensity voters, convincing

00:14:45.740 them that maybe you should turn out. Because I think that we truly probably were a few Canadian

00:14:51.200 podcasts because I don't think the Americans would have really helped that much. Plus,

00:14:54.280 it would have fueled the idea of, oh, my goodness, look, Pierre Polyev's going down south to speak

00:14:58.600 to the media because he's secretly an American.

00:15:01.140 Yeah.

00:15:01.860 But we were probably a few podcasts away, a few candidate debates away in terms of the

00:15:08.480 local candidates. We were probably a few community events away from a lot of these

00:15:13.860 ridings flipping blue. But the thing is that something I often say about the concerted strategy

00:15:19.460 is that they fight it like blockhouse warfare. We have our territory, we have our 42% of the

00:15:26.080 vote that we think we can get. Now we're just going to put blockhouses along the territory

00:15:29.680 to defend it. But the problem is when you play a purely defensive game, the best you do in

00:15:34.820 a day is you don't lose ground. And the worst you do is you lose everything you have because

00:15:40.100 you always have to be offensive at all times. You always have to be taking territory at the

00:15:44.760 same time that you're defending. And the Conservative Party, of course, did that at

00:15:48.320 times. But I think with their local candidates, they didn't let them loose to go on the offensive.

00:15:54.040 Well, what you're describing is exactly what happened in 2021 when Aaron O'Toole just assumed

00:15:58.100 that the base would show up for him. And so he tried to tack to the left, to the center,

00:16:02.760 copying the liberals and everything from their carbon tax to all their social policies. And it just

00:16:06.880 didn't work for him. It fell apart. And the base was so betrayed that they ousted him as leader

00:16:10.640 at the first possible opportunity. Well, I want to tie this next one into what you're saying.

00:16:13.760 This is kind of a mixture of tactics and strategy and also policy, which is that as soon as Donald

00:16:19.340 Trump came in with the 51st State stuff and Mark Carney became the leader, it seemed like

00:16:24.020 Pierre Polyev was just sort of caught flat-footed, where he had been so effective at playing offense,

00:16:29.460 at hitting hard against Justin Trudeau, hitting hard against the fake news and legacy media.

00:16:33.260 And then all of a sudden, he turned around and he had to play defense to the accusations that he was

00:16:37.520 too much like Trump, too pro-American, and that he wasn't differentiating himself. It seemed like at

00:16:42.760 that point, the strategy was just to copy the liberals and to adopt their policy on Donald

00:16:47.880 Trump so that they couldn't be accused of that. It seemed insincere. And it made Pierre Polyev,

00:16:52.780 again, seem like he was playing defense. It seemed like he got stuck in Aaron O'Toole mode. And when

00:16:58.460 I interviewed him in mid-February, when I sat down with Pierre Polyev for my exclusive interview at that

00:17:03.000 time, I asked him, why is a conservative advocating for a 25% liberal tax on Canadians, right? That is

00:17:11.080 what the policy was for the conservatives. They agreed there should be dollar for dollar

00:17:15.060 reciprocal trade tariffs against the Americans. So if the Americans are going to slap 25% tariffs

00:17:20.840 on goods coming to Canada, we're going to slap them on goods coming from the U.S. That's a tax on

00:17:25.320 Canadians. Andrew Lawton even said this on my show yesterday, that tariffs are bad and they hurt

00:17:29.400 everyone. And I'm thinking the conservatives advocated for tariffs in this election. That

00:17:34.500 was their official policy. I think that that was a mistake. What do you think?

00:17:38.340 And there was an easy win in it because by adopting the liberal policy, all you're doing

00:17:44.040 is just reducing the positive effect of them saying it first by saying, well, both of these parties do

00:17:49.660 advocate for it, but the first party to say it always is going to get the most credit. And obviously,

00:17:54.360 the government has the advantage because they can actually implement. But what the conservatives

00:17:59.060 should have been doing on that is what they were doing on the issue of crime with Polly of saying

00:18:04.160 that multiple murderers cannot serve all of their sentences at the same time. They have to

00:18:09.200 conserve them consecutively. He ended up baiting out Mark Carney into then saying, well, I think that

00:18:15.700 could be seen as an abuse of power. That's not what the notwithstanding clause is used for. It's

00:18:21.000 like, are you defending multiple murderers? And what they should have done on trade is saying,

00:18:25.480 you know what? Like we shouldn't be putting out reciprocal tariffs. We should be cutting taxes.

00:18:30.080 I was constantly saying on my show that what they should be painting the picture of is that it seems

00:18:36.100 like Mark Carney is only upset by Trump putting on tariffs because it's usually him and the liberals

00:18:41.100 job to kick Canadians in the face. That the whole point is maybe we should out-compete the

00:18:45.540 Americans, not just sort of go down to their level. And do you know who actually had probably the best

00:18:51.080 response on the 51st state rhetoric by Trump? It hurts me to say it. It was Green Party leader

00:18:57.320 Elizabeth May because she joked about it and then she moved on. She talked about, well, I don't think

00:19:02.900 Canada should be the 51st state. I think California should be the 11th province. It's like, that's a

00:19:09.180 good line. That's just a good line. And that's what something that someone in HQ should have thought of.

00:19:13.960 But the problem, what they do is they start focus grouping everything. And that's why it felt like

00:19:18.540 everything screeched to a halt probably for a couple months. They were focus grouping it.

00:19:22.960 Yeah. And then they were on their, they were on their defense or flat-footed and it just lost

00:19:28.380 momentum at a critical, critical time. Peer poly of strength, right, was explaining complicated

00:19:33.360 things that were happening in the economy with taxes, with inflation, with housing prices,

00:19:37.000 and explaining it to Canadians in a way that made sense to them and coming up with a different

00:19:40.660 solution. I could have just as easily seen them say, listen, a tariff is bad, whether it is a Trump

00:19:45.560 tariff or whether it is a carny tariff. It is a tax on you. And all this is, is a 25% tax on Canadians

00:19:52.180 in the middle of this economy, in the middle of all of these other taxes they put on us.

00:19:56.020 They now want to slap another 25% tax on Canadians. I think that that should have been

00:20:01.040 Pauliev's line. I think he would have been really good at it. And I think it could have led to a

00:20:05.380 different outcome in the election. Now, I don't want to come down too hard on them because like I said,

00:20:08.580 they got 42%, 41% of the vote. They did win a lot. And, you know, maybe their strategy

00:20:14.240 was just fine. But this was one thing that I think that they could have done differently.

00:20:18.240 And I think that it could have had a difference. I just finally, I want to talk a little bit about

00:20:23.280 other policy positions, because I think that overall, Pauliev was really good on policy. If I

00:20:28.040 had to do a report card, I would have given him like an eight out of 10. But I think that they could

00:20:31.660 have maybe benefited from going a little deeper and making a more clear differentiation. So back in

00:20:37.920 2011, when Stephen Harper won, he kind of famously had like very simple, I think it was like a five point

00:20:43.540 plan. It was like lower the GST. It was very simple and very easy to understand. I wish that

00:20:48.540 Pauliev had come up with something like that. I think he could have utilized the immigration issue.

00:20:52.440 I think he could have come out and said, we're going to cap immigration at a lower number,

00:20:56.060 any lower number, 150,000, 200,000, maybe go even low as 100,000. And that would have been

00:21:00.800 something that could have stuck with Canadians. Instead, he never really clearly came out and

00:21:04.640 said his immigration number. I know when he did that interview with me back in February,

00:21:07.740 he said he was going to go back to Harper level numbers, but he never put an exact number on it.

00:21:12.040 So I would have liked to see Pierre have a few more very specific policies. What do you think?

00:21:17.040 I actually did a poll with Kolsovsky strategies showing that a 100,000 PR immigration cap for

00:21:24.840 several years would get 75% of Canadians on board, a 75% reduction to get 75% of Canadians on board,

00:21:32.440 including 58% of people voting NDP and 72% of people voting liberal. And that's what your policy

00:21:39.760 book should do. It shouldn't just be ideas where people look at it and say, well, that that sounds

00:21:44.720 nice. It should be things that actually get people to think hard. Something that's not been proposed

00:21:49.380 before, but it becomes a wedge issue. Are you on side with over 400,000 new immigrants, new permanent

00:21:56.720 residents per year? Do you want it to be a hundred thousand so that your kid can actually buy a house

00:22:00.820 in the next few years? And I think that's what they need to do. And on certain topics, they did do it

00:22:04.900 again on crime. They've, they did it pretty well on other issues. They had done a good contrast with

00:22:10.800 the liberals, but on things like taxes, I know his tax reduction for under $50,000 was much bigger

00:22:18.600 than the, the Carney liberals. Carney had wanted to cut it by 1%. Polyev had wanted to cut it by two

00:22:24.680 and a quarter. I would have said, cut it by two and a quarter for every bracket, because that's how

00:22:30.080 you're going to get the upper middle-class people who are watching legacy media all day, who think

00:22:35.100 that they need to vote to stop Trump to actually say, wait, Carney's supposedly trying to protect

00:22:41.040 me, but he won't even cut my taxes. And that's what I would have gone after him on. I actually

00:22:44.780 liked when he says, I'm going to get rid of the industrial carbon tax. Guess what? That didn't

00:22:48.180 hurt the conservatives at all to say that they were going to get rid of the industrial carbon

00:22:51.340 tax, but, and I didn't think they played it well enough, but they could have put Carney in

00:22:56.160 the patriotism trap of saying, okay, so you want to defend Canada and you don't want Canada become

00:23:01.980 the 51st state, but you're going to keep punishing our businesses far more than the Americans do with

00:23:07.640 their taxes. So, sorry, who here is the person who's like, who's, who's the person hurting Canadians

00:23:13.440 more? The man who doesn't want to actually lower corporate taxes or the person who's just put in

00:23:19.220 tariff on, on all imports on certain products? Like you almost seem worse than Donald Trump on this

00:23:24.280 particular issue. And I think we should just not have either tariffs or carbon taxes.

00:23:29.000 Okay. Hear me out on this. This is what I think that Pierre Polyev should have run on.

00:23:32.260 One, 100,000 immigration cap. Two, no tariffs. Three, life, like no more consecutive life sentences.

00:23:40.020 Throw the murderers in jail. Four, I love it. Across the board, tax cuts for every bracket.

00:23:45.680 And five, this is very simple. And this is something the conservatives were afraid of in the campaign.

00:23:49.500 Boys are boys, girls are girls, and they cannot change. And I think that that last one

00:23:54.100 is something that has been a winning issue in the United States, been a winning issue in the United

00:23:58.080 Kingdom. It is a big cultural issue at the time. It is very important in the minds of parents,

00:24:03.200 in the minds of anyone who has a daughter who plays sports, anyone who is concerned about women's

00:24:07.820 prisons or women's shelters. This is a major issue. And I saw that the conservatives were just

00:24:13.200 too polite, too nervous, too worried, didn't want to touch it. And that's too bad. I'm not trying to

00:24:17.900 stoke divisions and play up identity politics. That's not what I'm trying to do.

00:24:21.640 But it is a principled issue. And it is an issue where the conservatives can be wildly successful

00:24:27.020 if they're willing to articulate the issue in a good way. So I think those five, if that was his

00:24:32.560 policy, I think that Pierre Pauli would be prime minister right now.

00:24:34.820 You're absolutely right. Because when I ran for a conservative party nomination in Calgary Signal

00:24:39.720 Hill, my three points I'd always hit people with was a parental bill of rights. I wanted a two-thirds

00:24:46.500 reduction in immigration at the time. This is 23, 24. So I would have probably increased it now if I was

00:24:51.340 doing it to three quarters. And then the last one was a 2%, like two overall point percentage

00:24:57.300 reduction of taxes in every single bracket. And I had people who described themselves as

00:25:03.520 centrists at the door, who as soon as I started talking about immigration, they'd get quieter,

00:25:07.620 but they'd be like, yeah, you're kind of right. It's like way too much. Because I would just use

00:25:10.700 the line, it's not me saying there's too many people entering the country. It's math saying there's

00:25:14.940 too many people.

00:25:16.800 Well, and people just start to feel it in other ways, in the cost of living,

00:25:20.300 in cost of housing, in just kind of cultural changes that they might notice in their neighborhood.

00:25:24.620 Obviously, the radical, you know, Hamasnicks protesting or the ethnic fighting between Sikhs

00:25:30.120 and Hindus in Brampton. Like, there are all kinds of data points that hit different Canadians in

00:25:34.060 different ways. And I think that that's one of those things that they would quietly agree with,

00:25:37.440 even though, even if they wouldn't necessarily say it aloud. All right, well, Wyatt, we gave some free

00:25:41.740 advice to the Conservative Party, take it or leave it. I do think that Pierre Polyev ran a good

00:25:45.580 campaign, and I think he should stay on as leader of the party, but definitely make some changes for

00:25:49.880 the next election. Anything else you want to say on this topic?

00:25:53.640 I'd echo what you're saying. I think Polyev had far more virtues than he ever had drawbacks as leader.

00:26:00.240 Better leader than O'Toole, easily better leader than Andrew Sheeran. I would say he was better leader

00:26:04.940 than Harper was in 2015. So it would be preemptive to say, well, he lost, he has to go.

00:26:10.760 So I've even heard the idea that whenever you have a leader who maybe even underperformed,

00:26:15.720 they're only ever going to be 15% of the issue. I don't even think that Polyev was much of an

00:26:20.180 issue at all. In fact, I think he added a lot of, if he was a different leader, we probably have

00:26:25.220 performed far worse. I would say that in so many ways, I hope that Polyev doesn't get blamed for

00:26:31.020 the problems of his own team behind him, because he's the leader. He's doing rallies every day. He's

00:26:37.440 running around the country. He doesn't really have time to micromanage the people behind the scenes

00:26:41.420 who are telling candidates they're not allowed to go to local debates. They're not allowed to go to

00:26:45.340 events. And they're rolling out policy platforms really late in the campaign. And it's a little

00:26:52.060 bit watery on certain issues. And they've probably focus grouped it a little bit too much.

00:26:55.640 That's the big area that they need to have change. It's the back room of people who,

00:27:02.200 frankly, over the last couple of days have been slapping each other on the back and saying,

00:27:06.620 well, wasn't it such a great campaign? In some ways, but let's not talk, let's not keep gassing

00:27:11.580 each other up when we didn't get the win. We got to actually demonstrate the ability to know,

00:27:16.700 okay, here's a couple of points we didn't do well on. Let's do better next time.

00:27:19.880 Well, exactly. I think we're going to head into an election inside 24 months, hopefully inside 18

00:27:23.980 months. I really do hope that this parliament is short-lived and that the conservatives have

00:27:27.760 another chance to take back the country. And they have to learn from the mistakes. So that's why we

00:27:32.560 wanted to document them here for you today. All right, folks, that's all the time we have for

00:27:36.600 today. That's Wyatt Claypool. I'm Candace Malcolm. This is the Candace Malcolm Show. Thank you and God bless.

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The Candice Malcolm Show - May 02, 2025

UNCENSORED： What Poilievre should have done differently and how he can win the next election (with Wyatt Claypool)

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