The Candice Malcolm Show - Why Canada’s EV mandate won’t work + CBC stacked with six-figure bureaucrats

00:00:00.000 Welcome to the Candice Malcolm Show here on Juneau. Thank you so much for giving us a part

00:00:07.720 of your long weekend. I hope you're having a safe and fabulous time. If you're not getting time off,

00:00:13.120 especially if you're one of those first responders out there working, thank you so much for the work

00:00:17.460 you're doing. I wanted to mix it up a little bit here because a lot of folks might be traveling

00:00:22.060 back from visiting friends and family. You might be coming back from the cabin or the cottage. You

00:00:26.800 might be enjoying our beautiful Rocky Mountains wherever this show finds you. Thank you so much

00:00:31.660 for making us part of your long weekend celebration. I wanted to put a quick bug in your ear because if

00:00:37.180 you're driving a car, if you're taking a road trip as part of this beautiful long weekend, we're on

00:00:44.060 borrowed time here before the federal government really messes up your ability to purchase the

00:00:50.880 vehicle you want to. I'm talking of course about the looming ban on gasoline and diesel powered

00:00:58.500 vehicles. People often refer to this as the EV mandate. I don't like saying that though because

00:01:04.240 I find it lets it go under the table. It slips off and under the door. This is a ban that is going to

00:01:11.220 be on the sale of what I would call normal gasoline and diesel powered cars. Now based on stats,

00:01:18.660 the latest quarterly one stats we have for this year show that just over 9%, 9 with an N, 9% of new

00:01:28.500 vehicle sales have been EVs this quarter in Canada. So that's less than 10%. So that means it's not a

00:01:37.640 super popular choice for people for whatever reason. A, a lot of people still can't afford to buy a fully

00:01:43.720 battery powered car, even with the federal government rebates factored in. Okay. On average,

00:01:51.320 your average, you know, commuter sedan compared apples to apples, it's about $20,000 more to buy

00:01:59.140 a fully electric battery powered version of that. Okay. Two, a lot of folks can't use a battery powered

00:02:07.180 vehicle, an electric vehicle for their uses. They could be hauling horses to a rodeo. They could be

00:02:13.220 hauling a camper for their kids to go enjoy. They could have a boat. Okay. They could be a trades

00:02:18.420 person. They could be hauling a whole bunch of tools into more remote locations that don't have

00:02:24.000 super convenient fast charge stations. People are infinitely complex. Okay. As Dr. Jordan Peterson

00:02:30.640 points out a million times over, everybody's personal lives are super complicated. Most people have

00:02:37.500 trouble just managing their own lives. Imagine the government and bureaucrats deciding they can manage

00:02:44.420 this for you. It's not going to work for three huge reasons. One, the state has no place in the garages

00:02:53.200 of the nation. Okay. It shouldn't be up to the government to get up in your grill and say what

00:02:58.860 kind of vehicle you can and cannot buy. Two, we don't have the energy for this. And by we,

00:03:05.840 we mean Canada. If Santa Claus came along and changed all of our vehicles that we already own.

00:03:11.780 Okay. They're in your driveway. Okay. They're in your garage. You're privately owned vehicles.

00:03:16.340 Bibbidi-bobbidi-boo. All of a sudden they're just battery powered. We would need 14 huge,

00:03:23.460 new, can-do nuclear reactors. The big ones. The big ones that we see in Ontario. Okay. A place

00:03:32.540 that's like Pickering. Each of those things costs anywhere between 12 and 15 billion dollars each

00:03:41.200 to build. Each one of them takes about a decade to build. So we don't have the energy to plug in

00:03:50.100 all of these vehicles that now Prime Minister Mark Carney is going to try to force you to buy.

00:03:57.340 I used to call them Trudeau trolleys, these battery powered cars. We can just call them

00:04:01.800 Carney cars now. Right? Because that makes sense. I've said to people, this is really Carney's new

00:04:09.040 car ban tax. Sorry, that's a bit of a mom joke. But this is really serious because it's going to

00:04:15.400 start affecting your bottom line real fast. People think this is only going to hit in a decade.

00:04:19.940 No, no, no, no. In five months, in five months time, the Carney government is going to start

00:04:26.800 forcing and punishing car dealerships to sell 20% of their new car sales as electric vehicles.

00:04:36.580 Some say the bubbles in an aero truffle piece can take 34 seconds to melt in your mouth.

00:04:41.500 Sometimes the very amount you're stuck at the same red light.

00:04:44.220 Rich, creamy, chocolatey aero truffle. Feel the aero bubbles melt. It's mind bubbling.

00:04:52.020 Remember what I said? There's only about 9% right now. Guess who's going to have to eat that extra 11%?

00:05:01.080 You. Yeah. Car dealerships are going to be punished financially by the federal government if they

00:05:07.440 don't make the federal government's quota. And it's also going to affect your ability, the supply

00:05:13.500 of normal gasoline and diesel powered vehicles. Meaning when you go to the lot, it might not be

00:05:20.000 available. The one that you've been counting on and saving up for. So as you're enjoying, hopefully,

00:05:25.020 your long weekend. Okay. Hopefully you're doing the life is a highway thing with Tom Cochran.

00:05:29.320 That would be awesome here in Canada. Remember your ability to choose what kind of vehicle suits

00:05:35.800 your needs. Most is being frittered away really fast. And the restrictions kick in in five months

00:05:43.220 time. And it is going to cost you big money. Speaking of money, we don't have the money by the

00:05:50.420 way, even if you wanted to go full Jetsons. Okay. Wouldn't that be nice to be, you know, electrify

00:05:56.120 Canada and everybody gets to do the 18 thing and dig in and build stuff. We don't have the 0.54

00:06:01.000 cash for that. Okay. We have un-money. Okay. The current federal liberal government has doubled

00:06:06.200 the debt in 10 years. Okay. So we do not have the cashflow or the private investment to be able to do

00:06:14.460 this. Heck, we would be hard pressed to build a single rail line. Remember how that's how Canada got

00:06:21.140 started? We'd be hard pressed to do that. If the federal government were the one trying to

00:06:25.220 actually make that happen. So we cannot afford to electrify the whole country in order to meet

00:06:30.580 this mandate. Natural Resources Canada itself is estimating that this whole electrification scheme

00:06:37.760 is going to cost about $300 billion. Okay. That's like close to a third of a trillion dollars.

00:06:47.020 Money we do not have. So they shouldn't be telling us what kind of vehicle we can drive.

00:06:51.280 We don't have the energy for this. And we don't have the money to create the energy for this.

00:06:56.060 Speaking of money and huge wastes of cash, we all know that the CBC is costing you, the taxpayer,

00:07:02.680 $1.4 billion this year. It cost you $1.3 billion last year. See what happened there? The cost goes up.

00:07:12.340 Now, despite the CBC trying to say, oh my goodness, the cupboard is bare. We're going to have to make

00:07:17.420 cuts. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. It's not true. The Canadian Taxpayers Federation obtained documents

00:07:24.120 that shows the middle management at CBC. I'm talking managers and assistant managers and producers

00:07:32.680 and executive producers and analysts and advisors and you name it, supervisors. Okay. They've got those

00:07:39.700 folks coming out their ears. The blob at the CBC middle management level is just getting bigger

00:07:46.880 and bigger. How much bigger? Let's find out. Joining me now is Franco Terrazzano. He is my good friend and

00:07:54.420 federal director for the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. Franco, I teed you up with this idea that we really

00:08:00.960 need to dig into what the CBC is spending money on. Specifically, it's bloated, obese, crazy-sized

00:08:08.720 middle management sector. It is astonishing. So very quickly, the anecdote goes something like this. 0.53

00:08:14.860 For every one journalist in a normal newsroom outside of the CBC, you guess that there's like

00:08:20.120 four other reporters at the CBC with 12 managers above them. But you've got the documents. You've got

00:08:26.480 these ATIP, Freedom of Information Request documents that show this is true. So give us the list. What

00:08:33.440 kind of management are we talking about here at the CBC? Yeah, well, you know what? Turns out you

00:08:38.580 essentially have a circus tent full of bureaucrats for every one acrobat at the CBC. Okay. So we got

00:08:45.180 internal records from the CBC showing, you know, how many employees they have that are paid more than

00:08:50.840 a hundred grand a year. All right. And it lays out all the different positions. I have some notes in front

00:08:56.380 of me and ladies and gentlemen, buckle up. Okay. Because the CBC's own records show that they have

00:09:02.200 180 managers, 277 senior managers, 124 directors, 106 senior directors, 28 executive directors,

00:09:13.500 493 producers, 493 producers, 36 technical producers, 168 senior producers, 86 executive producers,

00:09:23.360 130 advisors, 81 analysts, 120 hosts, 80 project leads, 30 lead architects, 25 supervisors, and many

00:09:33.500 other bureaucrats that are paid more than a hundred grand. So I mean, the bureaucratic bloat at the state

00:09:40.500 broadcaster is unreal. It's insanity. Taxpayers are the ones footing the bill. I mean, Chris, look,

00:09:47.660 I mean, CBC is pretty much exactly what you'd expect a news station to look like if it were run

00:09:52.960 by the government. That's exactly it. We could do the whole show. That's it. But no, let's dig into it

00:09:58.640 a little bit more because a lot of folks who are listening are probably shaking their heads thinking,

00:10:03.600 do they really need that amount of managers? No, no, they do not. Okay. If you work in a newsroom,

00:10:09.360 you've usually got like a room, hopefully full of reporters, usually not anymore, but full of

00:10:14.960 reporters. Then there's like maybe two editors and there's one news manager. Okay. There might be some

00:10:21.040 mucky muck in a far away office who's managing both the radio and TV. But as far as management goes,

00:10:27.080 there's usually one person for like the whole room for the whole day. So this is just nuts,

00:10:33.480 but it's not surprising because it shows. We often see that the CBC has got tiny audiences,

00:10:40.340 like their audience share for CBC Newsworld, their prime time is 1.8%, meaning 98% of the TV

00:10:49.200 viewing public in Canada is choosing to not watch them. And as a longtime journalist, I couldn't tell

00:10:55.800 you what an architect is at a media company, much less a lead architect. Maybe they're the ones who

00:11:02.660 design like the space age national set or something. But on top of that, it isn't just the term manager

00:11:08.880 in there. You've got like advisors. Okay. I looked that up on what that is. And I found a job posting

00:11:15.880 for the state broadcaster and an advisor is somebody who advises and wanders around. I don't know if they

00:11:22.800 wear a robe and sandals, but they have to like advise their employees on everything from like history

00:11:28.780 to like DEI practices at work. Like this is such a bloat here, Franco.

00:11:35.000 Well, I guess that's one way to get your viewership numbers up. Hey, just add some more bureaucrats and 1.00

00:11:39.440 middle managers, right? Like, I mean, look, I'm laughing because otherwise I'd just cry. I mean,

00:11:45.560 hundreds of managers, directors, producers, many other bureaucrats all paid more than a hundred K at

00:11:52.180 the CBC. Is it, is there any wonder why it's costing taxpayers more than a billion dollars

00:11:56.820 every single year? And like, look, we, we also got some separate access to information requests that

00:12:03.720 show how the number of CBC staffers taking a six figure salary have ballooned over the years. Okay. So

00:12:11.820 you actually look now, uh, more than a thousand CBC staffers are taking six figures. Um, it's the

00:12:20.260 increase is more than 300% since 2015, right? So the, the number of CBC staffers taking a six figure

00:12:27.180 salary has increased by more than 300%, uh, since 2015. And you know, like, here's the real,

00:12:33.800 here's the real practical thing for people who are listening in government or just our regular

00:12:38.580 Canadians and our friends. Um, look, the CBC is always crying poor, right? Always saying the

00:12:44.820 cupboards are bare. Hey, government, government, give us more taxpayer cash. Pretty, please, pretty,

00:12:49.080 please. And, and now you have a government that's talking about a spending review. Well, these

00:12:54.220 records, the CBC's own records, where you have all these managers, managing managers proves that

00:13:00.180 there is so much fat on the CBC steak that they can cut. Yeah. Big time. And I'm going to warn people

00:13:07.140 right now. Okay. As they're going into these negotiations, blah, blah, blah. On the fall,

00:13:11.520 you watch the CBC will do something dramatic. They will take one thing that somebody still likes at the

00:13:17.820 CBC and they'll, they'll kill it on the air. They'll like, get rid of it because that's what

00:13:22.520 they did back when prime minister Stephen Harper was in charge. And he went through all the departments

00:13:27.020 and said, Hey guys, could you guys find, I think it was between five and 8% savings.

00:13:31.260 What did the CBC do? Did they trim down their huge middle management bloat? No. Did they stop all

00:13:37.420 their, you know, crazy staff meetings that they have all day, every bloody day? No. They just canceled

00:13:43.400 a CBC radio program that everybody liked that cost next to nothing to produce because it was all done

00:13:48.760 on the phone internationally. It was this little tiny half an hour long show because it caused a big

00:13:54.940 splash. And that's what you watch. Mark my words. That is what they're going to do. And what's

00:14:00.020 frustrating here, Franco is exactly to your point. We often hear them say, Oh my gosh, we're going to

00:14:05.240 have to do rollbacks. We're going to have to do layoffs. The cupboards are bare. Blah, blah, blah, blah,

00:14:08.680 blah. So much so that the former CEO, Catherine Tate, the lady with the bright red hair that was

00:14:14.320 at committee all the time. She went on the national, like on TV with Adrian Arsenault saying, Oh wait,

00:14:21.680 no, we can't really talk about bonuses, but she said they were going to have layoffs. They said

00:14:26.060 they were going to have cuts. Um, nope. That one year they spent $1.3 billion from taxpayers.

00:14:32.340 The next year, $1.4 billion. That's more money, not less. They are not saving money at the state

00:14:39.100 broadcaster. Hey, speaking of bonuses, let's talk about the CBC sleight of hand for that segue.

00:14:45.740 Okay. So, uh, you folks, you'll all remember back in what it was December, 2023, right? Uh,

00:14:52.180 where the CBC just weeks before Christmas announced a bunch of layoffs, but Oh, they're still going to

00:14:57.420 be handing out bonuses to the fat cats. Remember that? I remember that. I also remember, uh, you

00:15:03.140 know, CBC going around, you know, begging for more taxpayer cash. Okay. So then there was public

00:15:09.780 backlash and there was backlash from across the political spectrum about these taxpayer funded

00:15:14.520 bonuses, right? Uh, we released some polling showing 70% of Canadians were against the bonuses,

00:15:19.600 even an advocacy group that's in favor of the CBC, uh, friends of Canadian media. They said

00:15:24.660 that the bonuses were unbefitting of a national public broadcaster. And you know, that's their

00:15:29.480 words, not mine, because I always say state broadcaster. Um, okay. So anyway, I've heard

00:15:33.980 you say unbefitting before. Yeah. Yeah. It's a tough one. It's a tough one. So look, massive public

00:15:39.440 backlash against these bonuses at the CBC. So what does the CBC, uh, brass do? Well, they think they

00:15:44.980 come up with a very clever solution. They say, okay, folks, we're going to end the bonuses. Well,

00:15:50.360 not quite. So records that the CTF obtained from the CBC shows that they did cancel the bonuses,

00:15:57.800 but then they turned around and jacked up the salaries massively. Okay. So last year, the CBC

00:16:04.620 handed out record high pay raises of $38 million for comparison in the year before in 2023, they

00:16:12.560 handed out $11 and a half million. Okay. So the higher pay raises more than offset the elimination

00:16:19.420 of the bonuses. So essentially what the CBC did is they didn't listen to Canadians. They

00:16:24.500 didn't save Canadian taxpayers any money. They're just trying to avoid a bad press day by ending

00:16:30.080 the bonuses and then turning around and jacking up the salaries with these massive, massive pay

00:16:36.200 raises. You know, I'm wondering if they thought that Canadians would fall for this, that if they

00:16:42.920 just removed the big label on the bucket of money that says bonuses and squeaked on a Sharpie

00:16:48.660 that says pay raises instead, that people would just be fine with it. Good on you for finding that

00:16:54.120 out. I really wanted to ask you this though. What kind of put, did we get pushback on this? Like did

00:16:58.480 the CBC get all huffy about this, us calling them out on this? Yeah, they did. I can't remember exactly

00:17:04.260 what they said, but they're, they're upset that we're calling it a sleight of hand. Well, we're upset

00:17:08.740 with you for costing taxpayers so much money. Okay. So we're upset with you too. So the feeling is

00:17:14.280 mutual. Uh, yeah, they got upset about it, but look, I mean, well, what they did is they ended the

00:17:18.780 bonuses kind of right. Except when you read the fine print, they just turn around and hand out record

00:17:24.160 high pay raises. So look, I mean, the moral of the story here for, for taxpayers is this, right?

00:17:29.180 The CBC's own records show that it has a bloated bureaucracy full of highly paid managers,

00:17:34.960 managing managers. Um, the, the next takeaway is that, you know, the six figure salaries that the

00:17:39.900 CBC has ballooned by more than 300% since 2015. And finally, well, look, the CBC isn't saving

00:17:47.940 taxpayers money. If it just replaces taxpayer funded bonuses with higher taxpayer funded pay raises. So

00:17:54.020 look, uh, the only way to really end the gravy train and oh boy, is it full steam ahead? It's just

00:17:59.400 a defund the CBC. Yeah. Big time. I will end on this two things. One, I think it was in your first

00:18:06.480 round of a tips that you were talking about there where we were listing all the managers,

00:18:10.240 managing managers and the advisors and the whatever lead architect people, um, that all make up just

00:18:16.800 picture an office tower. Okay. Full of humans. That's the CBC and you're paying for it all. Okay.

00:18:22.680 It's not the folks out there in the field. Um, there were like what, 200 roles that were blacked out

00:18:29.540 there. I remember looking at the documents and I think there's around 200 positions and I'm using that

00:18:35.240 word because I don't know how else to describe it because we don't have the names. We don't have

00:18:40.180 the roles. We don't have the amount of money they're making. We know they're making more than

00:18:44.100 a hundred grand, but we don't know their names and we don't know their roles, but we're still

00:18:48.560 paying for it. Is that what's happening? Yeah. They, they redacted more than a 200 roles.

00:18:53.820 Okay. They did. Yeah. Okay. Transparent. Crazy. And for folks who were like, oh, well,

00:18:58.740 maybe it's a host and it's a state secret. No, no. There are hosts listed on there. Okay.

00:19:02.700 Including with some of their names. So it's not that. So I don't know who these phantom people

00:19:07.800 are, but you're paying for them. 200 of them. Lastly, the CBC is trying to make it so that we

00:19:14.780 can't find out how much they're spending on advertising. Okay. And we're not asking for

00:19:19.520 trade secrets of exactly how you got some great ad deal or whatever. No, no. We're asking for the

00:19:24.400 lump sum amount of what the CBC, the state broadcaster is spending on advertising outside. So when you're

00:19:31.620 watching hockey or something and you see another ad for CBC gem, how much is all that costing you

00:19:37.140 cumulatively? They're refusing to tell us. So even though it's taxpayers money, they're refusing to

00:19:42.200 tell us. So that's why the Canadian Taxpayers Federation is fighting the CBC on that front.

00:19:47.220 Franco, thank you so much for your time today. Thank you for actually putting names and numbers

00:19:52.660 to the long held suspicion that the CBC is super management heavy. We actually have a joint op-ed

00:19:59.960 that's coming out in the Toronto Sun newspaper chain on this describing the blob that has taken

00:20:05.580 over the CBC. Thank you so much. Hey, thank you, Chris. There you have it, folks. This is why it is

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00:20:19.280 move ideology aside. Doesn't matter. Left, right, upside down, purple. Journalists should not be paid by the

00:20:26.900 government. Okay. It is a direct and obvious conflict of interest. It is super important for

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The Candice Malcolm Show - August 04, 2025

Why Canada’s EV mandate won’t work + CBC stacked with six-figure bureaucrats

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