The Candice Malcolm Show - World leaders fear-monger over climate change while ignoring the real issues

00:00:00.100 World leaders are recklessly fear-mongering and promoting doomsday scenarios when it comes to climate change.

00:00:06.240 Meanwhile, they are ignoring the real issues that affect real people around the world.

00:00:10.080 I'm Candace Malcolm and this is The Candace Malcolm Show.

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00:00:41.580 So it is a lot of fun. Right now, all the world leaders are gathered in Scotland.

00:00:45.960 They are at COP26, which is the United Nations conference to look into the environment, to study what's going on with climate change.

00:00:53.780 But really what we just see is a lot of fear-mongering, a lot of over-the-top doomsday scenarios that really just create a lot of fear and anxiety around the world.

00:01:03.660 So we're going to delve into that.

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00:01:35.720 All right, today I am joined by my friend Anthony Fury.

00:01:38.860 Anthony is the editor over at The Toronto Sun, and he sometimes contributes here at True North as well.

00:01:44.980 Anthony, thank you so much for joining the show.

00:01:47.560 Good to be here.

00:01:48.400 Okay, so I want to first talk a little bit about this whole extravaganza going on in Scotland right now with COP26.

00:01:56.580 So Justin Trudeau has spent the last couple of days on the world stage, virtue signaling, lecturing everybody about climate change, even at the G20 meeting.

00:02:03.900 You know, they had the G20 meeting in Rome, and then the next day they were all flying to Scotland.

00:02:07.900 So you'd think the G20 meeting, they would focus on, you know, economic issues, world finances, global financial stability,

00:02:13.940 the looming threat of inflation and hyperinflation.

00:02:16.940 But instead, Trudeau said that his top priority at the G20 meeting was climate change,

00:02:22.400 even though the very next day he had this whole 10-day conference dedicated entirely to climate change.

00:02:28.160 So why do you think Justin Trudeau is so fixated on climate change?

00:02:32.720 And do you think that he is aware of all the other sort of pending economic crises that are happening in Canada and around the world?

00:02:39.900 Well, one thing I've come to learn about Justin Trudeau, he's not a prime minister who happens to also have a great interest in green issues.

00:02:47.500 He's an environmental activist who just happens to be prime minister.

00:02:51.480 And that's been driven home more so by the fact that Stephen Goulbeau has been made environment minister in Canada.

00:02:56.600 And, you know, whenever Trudeau is giving some sort of speech, whether it's just out on the campaign or formal speech,

00:03:01.800 like the throne speech or something adjacent to that, he'll say the things we need, the direction we need Canada to head in.

00:03:07.940 And he'll use these buzzwords, you know, fairer, more equitable, whatever phrases he likes.

00:03:11.360 But usually the first word is always greener.

00:03:14.620 That's in everything when he does the tally of the future of Canada or what our key priorities are.

00:03:19.680 So this is just the way the guy rolls.

00:03:22.220 This is like the thing that he thinks about when he goes to bed at night, when he wakes up in the morning.

00:03:26.600 And I did see a funny tweet, someone talking about what's going on at COP26.

00:03:30.580 And they're like, hold on a second.

00:03:31.660 Isn't this just like one of those academic conferences where you go once a year and you see the same people and you all talk about the same things?

00:03:37.940 Is this just an opportunity to like gather and have drinks?

00:03:40.440 And I have to chuckle because, you know, in every sort of realm, that person, I guess, referenced their academic specialty.

00:03:45.620 But, you know, I know what it's like.

00:03:46.700 There's these annual conferences that I go to and I only see people really once a year there.

00:03:51.760 Maybe they live in Vancouver, Calgary, and I get to meet them once or twice at these events.

00:03:55.480 And I kind of thought thinking of the Trudeau COP26 thing, it's like, oh, how cute.

00:03:58.740 This isn't actually a serious event.

00:04:00.960 This is just like, you know, bring the gang back together, you know, have some beers and so forth.

00:04:05.540 Let's see our old friends in the, like, international eco circuit.

00:04:09.120 And they say all these things.

00:04:10.340 Trudeau's saying this thing about phasing up the oil sands or whatever.

00:04:13.280 And I'm kind of like, let's just stop taking them seriously.

00:04:15.600 Like, I don't take the Paris deal climate agreements too seriously.

00:04:18.660 I know a lot of people do.

00:04:19.500 I know the government acts like these voluntary targets that we have created ourselves, that it's like a gun to our head that we have to do ASAP.

00:04:28.240 But I'm just kind of like, I think this is just a lark for these guys.

00:04:31.460 This is their social circuit.

00:04:33.140 They've just fallen into it.

00:04:34.240 They haven't matured out of it.

00:04:35.440 And, you know, let them have their fun and let's not take it serious.

00:04:38.600 So I totally agree that, like, with the idea of what it's like for them.

00:04:43.780 The only problem, Anthony, is that unlike, you know, the kind of conferences that we go to or unlike the, you know, the chumminess that Justin Trudeau may crave,

00:04:51.300 the reality is that these governments are going to be signing really heavy-handed laws and rules at this conference.

00:04:59.980 These are the people who run the world.

00:05:01.340 Yeah, these are the people.

00:05:01.980 And it will have devastating impacts on everyday people, on Canadians.

00:05:05.380 We already saw that Trudeau has formally pledged to a cap, hard cap on oil and gas.

00:05:10.020 And, you know, that will have, you know, an unbelievable effect on the livelihoods of thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of Canadians because of that.

00:05:19.060 So Trudeau acts like this, like, you know, it's a party for him.

00:05:22.620 And that's sort of the idea that we see coming back home.

00:05:25.960 Unfortunately, you know, they also have a lot of power, which is pretty, pretty, pretty devastating.

00:05:32.740 What do you think about that hard cap to Canada's oil and gas emissions?

00:05:38.280 It's crazy.

00:05:38.900 It's not necessary.

00:05:40.880 Look, when I look at what's going on in renewable energy in the green sector,

00:05:45.760 there's a whole lot of big companies, serious companies, very, you know, credentialed individuals who are putting a lot of their own money.

00:05:52.800 They're putting R&D into going in this new direction.

00:05:55.660 They're getting venture capital and so forth.

00:05:57.520 I'm like, that's cool.

00:05:58.300 I'm all in support of innovation and human industriousness.

00:06:01.360 And I think it's clear there's some sort of green revolution on the horizon.

00:06:04.760 And it's going to happen.

00:06:06.040 And I think it's going to happen in this kind of natural segue that happens holistically with the economy.

00:06:13.400 Whatever the government does is just going to actually get in the way of that.

00:06:18.480 I mean, I know an example of a manufacturing firm in the east end of Toronto that they've come up with this new process.

00:06:24.640 I won't bore you with the details, but it's actually kind of like a green enviro thing.

00:06:29.220 They're doing it both because they found it just sort of saves them on outputs and inputs and so forth.

00:06:33.840 It's just more efficient.

00:06:34.960 It happens to be environmentally friendly as well.

00:06:36.620 It saves the money.

00:06:37.300 They're going in that direction.

00:06:38.360 But because of the Ontario government bringing in all of these green energy policies that have ramped up the cost for manufacturing, it's putting them out of business.

00:06:46.520 And because they're not a company that's like with the in crowd over at COP26, they're not giving the government handouts.

00:06:52.100 So here you have a company that's doing some pretty cool enviro stuff that is benefiting the environment.

00:06:57.480 And they're actually getting screwed over by green energy policies.

00:07:01.280 So, I mean, as I say, this stuff is happening organically anyway.

00:07:05.340 It's extremely just arrogant and incorrect of the government to think that they can get in front of that, that they can harness it, that they know it better than the people who are actually doing it on the ground.

00:07:15.280 We just need to step away from it all.

00:07:17.080 Like I said, the Paris deal, I don't think we particularly need to be in it.

00:07:21.400 I mean, I wish I liken the Paris deal to when you see these various presentations.

00:07:26.500 Say it's City Hall.

00:07:27.440 They say Toronto right now, they say zero vision.

00:07:30.280 That's the thing they're doing in Toronto.

00:07:31.340 Zero vision means zero pedestrian deaths because there's been too many pedestrian deaths.

00:07:35.700 I'd obviously support that.

00:07:37.640 But when they say it, it's an aspirational goal.

00:07:40.480 They say zero homelessness, for instance.

00:07:42.740 I mean, there's obviously never going to be a time when there's zero homelessness.

00:07:45.180 I have no problem with the politicians saying we commit to zero homelessness because it's an aspirational goal.

00:07:50.860 And we all kind of know that.

00:07:52.480 But when Trudeau is actually seeing zero emissions or what have you, he doesn't realize that that's an aspirational goal.

00:08:00.580 He takes himself too seriously.

00:08:02.860 So you're totally right that these are the people controlling the world in our lives.

00:08:06.360 So me saying laugh them off, it's not that easy.

00:08:08.920 But I think laughing them off kind of maybe helps us get to that more balanced perspective that we need to be at.

00:08:16.140 Yeah, I completely agree with that.

00:08:17.320 I have much more faith in the sort of Elon Musks of the world, the actual people who are brilliant in their lives.

00:08:22.480 They're field innovators, very, very driven towards a goal, almost singularly focused versus someone like Justin Trudeau,

00:08:29.640 who I agree that it's like the number one issue that he talks about and cares about.

00:08:32.920 But it still strikes me, Anthony, as so inauthentic when he's out there talking about it.

00:08:37.580 I don't actually think he cares about the issue.

00:08:39.280 I mean, I just think that Justin Trudeau happens to be one of the most insincere people out there.

00:08:43.600 So I think he loves to talk about it.

00:08:45.660 He thinks that it's trendy.

00:08:46.580 Like, remember a couple of years ago, we met with Greta and it was so awkward because she was lecturing him and he was just kind of there for the photo op.

00:08:52.700 And he was really proud of himself for being so cool that this like angry teenage environmentalist would even sit with him.

00:08:58.360 And it was just it was kind of sad.

00:09:00.380 But I think that Trudeau really puts it on and really just likes to be the virtue signaler.

00:09:05.060 He wants to be known as the world's biggest feminist, as the most sort of eco green leader. 0.99

00:09:10.400 But really, he doesn't even put his money where his mouth is because Canada doesn't even meet its targets.

00:09:14.960 We're not even on track to meet Paris.

00:09:16.500 We missed our 2020 emissions despite the global lockdown.

00:09:21.000 So, yeah, I don't I don't trust or believe anything.

00:09:24.740 But it's not just Justin Trudeau, Anthony.

00:09:27.180 We saw Boris Johnson describing global warming as a doomsday device that will end humanity.

00:09:34.360 The United Nations Secretary General said that humans are digging our own graves.

00:09:40.400 So what do you think about this over the top rhetoric that's really just designed to sort of like cripple us and still fear?

00:09:47.420 You know, they tried to persuade us.

00:09:49.480 It didn't really work.

00:09:50.380 So now they're like, OK, let's just try to like promote fear and anxiety.

00:09:53.800 It's having a really big impact, as we know, on little kids that are now taught in school that the world's going to end because of all of our activity.

00:10:01.060 Really, really kind of reckless way of talking about it.

00:10:03.200 What do you think about this over the top rhetoric?

00:10:05.980 Well, yeah, you're right, particularly in the school system and it's happening there.

00:10:08.940 And it's really alarming because I actually saw one report by a psychologist association a couple of years ago talking about how climate change anxiety is actually a real thing.

00:10:18.800 So children are having mental health challenges because of all this stuff they're hearing, staying awake at night and, you know, thinking they're going to die.

00:10:25.120 Whatever timeline Greta gave them in the next five years or something.

00:10:28.340 So lots of challenges with the education system and parents need to get involved.

00:10:32.620 And that's one of those things that they need to fight back against.

00:10:36.120 Another thing on the rhetoric, I don't know if you saw this.

00:10:38.200 One of the CBC executive editors put out a post the other week saying, guys, big news.

00:10:42.380 I'll tell you, editorial changes come to the CBC.

00:10:46.140 We're finally going to start talking about climate change.

00:10:51.220 What?

00:10:51.620 And he posted this just the other week and I read this article.

00:10:54.140 I'm like, man, this is something he's like, for too long, we have downplayed the issue.

00:10:58.160 We've ignored the issue of climate.

00:10:59.940 CBC reporting is finally going to go all in on, well, it's not climate change, of course.

00:11:04.560 I think it was maybe the climate crisis was the phrase they used, perhaps climate apocalypse.

00:11:09.700 I'm not sure what new word they used.

00:11:11.740 And it was quite something like this idea.

00:11:14.040 Finally, we're going to get serious on it.

00:11:15.840 And there's such an accelerationist attitude to it.

00:11:20.320 I mean, Trudeau as well, we're talking about this long frame issue.

00:11:23.260 And then almost every year now, he has to up the ante so much.

00:11:26.520 And it's funny to see CBC basically do the same.

00:11:29.720 Now we're going to talk about climate change crazier than ever.

00:11:32.680 And I think it's going to backfire.

00:11:35.340 Who knows?

00:11:36.260 Who knows the direction public opinion is going to take on it.

00:11:38.820 But I think you can really go overboard with this stuff, particularly now that we definitely

00:11:43.040 have a crisis of cost of living going in in Canada, that while there's many different

00:11:47.300 factors in play at it, green energy policies have certainly exacerbated cost of living challenges

00:11:52.420 in Canada.

00:11:53.260 That's a really good point.

00:11:54.380 I can't imagine having less self-awareness than the editors and the head honchos over

00:12:00.740 at the CBC.

00:12:01.500 It's like they just have no idea how they're perceived.

00:12:04.840 And again, this whole idea that this is a crisis, it's an ongoing crisis.

00:12:10.360 We heard Trudeau talk about this a lot, the dual crises of COVID and climate.

00:12:14.800 It's like they just love being in a crisis scenario.

00:12:18.140 And I'm old enough to remember like four years ago when it was the left that was constantly

00:12:23.120 criticizing and critiquing and screaming at the right for saying you guys are reckless,

00:12:28.400 you're promoting fear mongering about issues like terrorism and immigration.

00:12:32.940 And then here we are where that's just like the regular thing that they do is promote

00:12:36.720 fear and anxiety.

00:12:38.100 I want to switch a little bit over to COVID though, because that is the other area where

00:12:41.800 we see a lot of fear mongering, a lot of misinformation.

00:12:45.060 You know, they target kids with climate alarmism.

00:12:47.700 Now they're starting to target kids with this idea that there needs to be forced vaccination

00:12:51.940 for little kids age five to 11.

00:12:55.480 You have a couple of kids in that age group.

00:12:57.540 I wrote a column in the Toronto Sun over the weekend talking about how little this group

00:13:02.600 is impacted by COVID, how few cases are, despite how they have the most number of cases.

00:13:08.340 Well, under 20 has the most number of cases in Canada, recorded cases.

00:13:12.320 So kids are contracting COVID, but they're not getting sick.

00:13:16.000 They're not getting hospitalized.

00:13:17.220 And so few are dying of COVID that it's barely even, you know, it's less than a statistical

00:13:23.240 error.

00:13:24.400 So why is it that we're now focused so much on vaccinating a group of people that have

00:13:30.120 no threat of COVID?

00:13:32.140 Yeah, I spoke to the president and CEO of Sick Kids Hospital earlier last year, and he

00:13:36.680 said that if there can be a silver lining to this pandemic, to COVID-19, if there is such

00:13:40.920 a thing, it would be that thankfully we've learned that COVID-19 does not hit kids hard

00:13:45.580 really at all.

00:13:47.000 There is a worry initially that this would be something that hits kids very hard.

00:13:50.640 And we've learned that that's not the case.

00:13:52.080 And a number of very prominent pediatricians have said to me flat out that COVID-19 is less

00:13:56.660 severe than influenza in children.

00:13:59.520 So a lot of the debate we're having right now is whether or not it's ethical to lock

00:14:04.540 children down, to deny them of their education rights, to deny them of activities and so forth,

00:14:09.700 and also to say that they must get this vaccine to protect other age cohorts.

00:14:15.400 And that's quite a debate going on right now, because traditionally that's not a thing that

00:14:19.820 really happens in medical ethics and discussions of public health, I seem to recall that the

00:14:25.300 rule in the Titanic was not, okay, children off last, so we can get the strapping middle-aged 0.86

00:14:30.900 men on the rescue boats first, yet that seems to be the attitude that we're taking with COVID.

00:14:35.840 So it's very frustrating.

00:14:37.440 I do think the conversation about the 5 to 11 vaccines has had a lot more nuanced approach

00:14:43.260 than previous chapters of this discussion.

00:14:48.380 A little bit in Canada.

00:14:49.860 Canada has always had a very kind of regressive and cloistered conversation.

00:14:54.480 I think we're pretty ignorant of what goes on in the rest of the world.

00:14:57.260 But I think if you look to the New York Times, the Washington Post, Newsweek magazine,

00:15:01.860 just pretty much name every major publication in the US, they are having much more nuanced

00:15:06.580 discussions of 5 to 11.

00:15:08.180 There will be articles with the headlines, do teenagers, you know, even really need to

00:15:11.940 get the vaccine, that kind of stuff, which would be considered a major no-go, I think,

00:15:17.040 for a lot of Canadians, or at least just out of their frame of reference.

00:15:19.580 They're not used to seeing that conversation in our media landscape or political landscape.

00:15:24.320 Yeah, I was surprised when I just went and looked at the numbers myself, because, you

00:15:29.100 know, judging by the way that I see, like you're saying, you know, there's not a lot of nuance

00:15:32.860 in the media.

00:15:33.380 So judging by the way that I see the issue talked about in the media, by the way I hear politicians

00:15:37.740 promoting, you know, excitingly waiting and anticipating the approval of vaccines for

00:15:43.920 5 to 11-year-olds and sort of like, we're going to be ready to go, we're going to roll

00:15:46.840 it out.

00:15:47.780 You know, it seems like the question is settled and they're going to go ahead and do it.

00:15:53.580 But, you know, again, like to your point, like why would we try to vaccinate kids when

00:16:00.700 we know that, you know, in very, very small, rare circumstances, there are negative side

00:16:04.560 effects.

00:16:04.960 So you're, whereas when it comes to COVID, there aren't really any.

00:16:08.560 I mean, you pointed out to me that, you know, I had in my column that there were 1,700

00:16:12.740 hospitalizations in that age group below 20.

00:16:16.440 And you pointed out in your reporting that most of those cases were not kids who were

00:16:21.380 hospitalized because of COVID, but rather kids that had to go to the hospital for another

00:16:25.620 reason.

00:16:26.340 Well, they were there, they got tested and they had contracted COVID perhaps even in the

00:16:30.160 hospital.

00:16:30.440 Well, I don't know, but, but, but it just doesn't really make a lot of sense why, why

00:16:35.480 we would even vaccinate this group in the first place.

00:16:38.600 What do you, what do you think about that?

00:16:40.100 Yeah.

00:16:40.280 One of the things that I've talked about in a few true North videos is what frustrates

00:16:43.280 me is the media amplification game and the news that gets amplified.

00:16:46.600 And then the news that, that, that atrophies that doesn't catch on and get picked up by all

00:16:51.140 of their news outlets.

00:16:52.220 And I thought that public health agency of Canada report on nosocomial pediatric infections

00:16:57.500 is, is the term is the focus of the report was very interesting because it looked at, at

00:17:02.920 all the cases.

00:17:04.500 It took numbers from hospitals all across the country and found that, okay, these are

00:17:08.600 the kids hospitalized with COVID, but then they said, what is the cause of admission?

00:17:13.000 Why were they hospitalized in the first place?

00:17:15.260 And only 37% of them were actually hospitalized because they were suffering from COVID-19 symptoms

00:17:22.260 or, you know, what have you, uh, and the rest were incidental findings.

00:17:26.020 So of course, right now you need to get tested for COVID whenever you go to hospital.

00:17:30.580 Uh, so these kids went in for say a broken arm and then they just tested positive for asymptomatic

00:17:35.500 COVID.

00:17:36.120 And that was included is included in our national statistics for a kid being hospitalized with

00:17:42.900 COVID.

00:17:43.380 So you always have to take the numbers out there and cut it at least in half.

00:17:47.260 And that's the, that's the factual data that public health is putting out there.

00:17:51.180 Uh, and that's also anecdotally what, what pediatric, uh, hospital physicians have told

00:17:55.460 me.

00:17:55.680 So that is the established fact.

00:17:57.480 And yet I'm sure if I were to go on certain news outlets, which haven't been discussed

00:18:01.680 in this much, if I were to go on, you know, CBC, uh, national television and bring this

00:18:05.560 up, there'd probably be people tweeting in or get this guy off the air, misinformation

00:18:08.960 and so forth.

00:18:09.860 They it's, it's data.

00:18:11.680 It's public data.

00:18:12.740 They wrote a report on it.

00:18:14.120 Right.

00:18:14.280 It's the science as well, but it's not the science that they like.

00:18:16.880 And so they try to beat you over the head with it.

00:18:19.140 Well, Anthony, thank you so much for bringing some common sense.

00:18:21.620 I wish that there were more journalists out in Canada like you that were willing to talk

00:18:25.520 about these, uh, you know, inconvenient findings and sometimes challenge, uh, the narrative.

00:18:30.120 It's great to have you on the show.

00:18:31.720 Well, same to you.

00:18:32.200 Thanks, Candice.

00:18:32.940 All right.

00:18:33.300 Thanks so much for watching.

00:18:34.140 I'm Candice Malcolm and this is the Candice Malcolm show.

The Candice Malcolm Show - November 02, 2021

World leaders fear-monger over climate change while ignoring the real issues

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