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00:01:42.000 Hello, everybody.

00:01:43.000 Welcome back.

00:01:44.000 What a special treat we have.

00:01:46.000 And we're going to go deep into the data, the evidence, and the story behind what many of you have been asking us about.

00:01:53.000 And so, first, we have Kathy Engelbrecht and Greg Phillips from TrueThe Vote, true the Vote.org.

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00:02:17.000 Catherine and Greg, welcome back.

00:02:18.000 Thanks for having us.

00:02:19.000 Yeah, thanks, Charlie.

00:02:20.000 So you guys are here in Arizona.

00:02:21.000 What are you up to?

00:02:22.000 We have a hearing this afternoon in the Senate, so we are looking forward to making a presentation about a lot of what's covered in 2000 Mules and some new stuff.

00:02:31.000 And so, Greg, I hear there's been some indictments.

00:02:33.000 Is that right?

00:02:34.000 Yeah, there have been a few arrests earlier, then a plea deal and another plea deal.

00:02:39.000 I understand that maybe something in court tomorrow.

00:02:42.000 Been down there interviewing a bunch of folks, confiscating computers, cell phones, all manner of stuff going on.

00:02:48.000 Did your data lead to those indictments?

00:02:51.000 You know, I think that it augmented everything that was already happening.

00:02:58.000 I think that the fact that the plea agreement was made the day after the movie was released is pretty interesting.

00:03:07.000 And maybe we'll know a little bit more when it goes to court tomorrow.

00:03:10.000 So let's take a step back and kind of talk about the data in general because your work has kind of created a firestorm in the media, and it's now hitting kind of a critical moment where it's too big to ignore, where people at the top levels of our government are talking about it.

00:03:27.000 And, you know, they're trying to do everything they possibly can to tamper it down.

00:03:31.000 But the grassroots kind of energy is really kind of hitting a fever pitch, which I think to both your credit was the brilliance of doing the presentation of it in a movie because it's so dramatic that it gets people compelled to action more so than just kind of leaking it to reporters.

00:03:47.000 But let's kind of start from square one just to kind of refresh our audience.

00:03:51.000 Both of you went and did the tough work to go get the pings or the geolocation technology that anybody could access if they had the money to do so.

00:04:00.000 Is that correct?

00:04:02.000 Yeah, there's a whole lot of data brokers out there.

00:04:05.000 I think there's 40 or so data brokers out there.

00:04:07.000 Some of them are quality, some of them are not.

00:04:10.000 In our case, we use a specific set of data brokers, buy from different ones.

00:04:16.000 We get different types of signals.

00:04:17.000 We get a different range of signal, put them all together.

00:04:20.000 Of course, all the media wants to talk about is, well, you can't do that with cell phone towers.

00:04:25.000 And okay, well, it's not cell phone towers.

00:04:27.000 So what do they mean?

00:04:28.000 What do they mean by that when they say that?

00:04:30.000 The old technology around sort of GIS proper would, and your cell phone would triangulate a signal around towers, right?

00:04:39.000 And that triangulation, depending on how many towers there were or whatever there was, it might or might not be accurate.

00:04:46.000 We just don't use that technology.

00:04:48.000 So they're all a little confused.

00:04:50.000 And Catherine, I ask that anybody can access it, meaning that you didn't use some sort of government clearance, right?

00:04:56.000 This is out there for the world if they had the means to be able to actually get sift through it as well.

00:05:01.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:05:02.000 It's out there and it's been out there for a number of years.

00:05:07.000 And it impacts all of us every single day, whether we know it or not.

00:05:11.000 Yeah, and I mean, turning it off on your phone is very unlikely.

00:05:15.000 We're getting tracked all the time.

00:05:16.000 You even say in the movie that you could be tracked with your phone off, which is extraordinary.

00:05:21.000 And so this technology is out there and it's been used by law enforcement for other projects.

00:05:27.000 Talk about that.

00:05:29.000 Well, I mean, I think the most notable of late is the January 6th event.

00:05:35.000 The government was quick to embrace, as was many of the corporate media, quick to embrace the use of the geospatial technology that now they have used as a backdrop to arrest and imprison many Americans.

00:05:49.000 So the accuracy clearly was something that law enforcement looked kindly upon in that situation.

00:05:56.000 Greg?

00:05:57.000 Yeah, I think that the technology is so prevalent out there and it's growing every day.

00:06:02.000 I mean, you know, Russians are getting blown up in their tanks because of technology similar to this.

00:06:07.000 And there's a lot of things going on.

00:06:08.000 Even the CDC uses it to track to see if we're six feet apart or not.

00:06:12.000 And now all of a sudden it's not okay.

00:06:14.000 And Bill Barr comes out and says, well, I haven't seen the movie, but it's probably not, the technology doesn't make sense. 0.60

00:06:19.000 Well, that's ridiculous.

00:06:20.000 Then let all the January 6th people go. 0.94

00:06:23.000 If that's your opinion, let them go.

00:06:25.000 So the technology is sound and we know it's sound.

00:06:29.000 Why?

00:06:30.000 I mean, is the media just lying or they're just trying to smear it?

00:06:33.000 Because you read these articles and say, oh, it's unproven or you can't use it in the way that you're using it.

00:06:40.000 I mean, is there any credence to that argument?

00:06:43.000 Yeah.

00:06:43.000 Well, short answer is no.

00:06:45.000 I mean, I think that we turned the tables in a way that the media and that entire group of sycophants that wants to suppress this kind of information and keep this narrative alive that 2020 was the most secure election ever, which it clearly was not.

00:07:09.000 They are invested and they will say anything.

00:07:12.000 And it's just not the case.

00:07:14.000 Yeah, they're also grabbing at technology that they're just flat out confused about.

00:07:14.000 Greg?

00:07:19.000 They're talking about stuff that existed back in 2010.

00:07:22.000 There was some study done in 2011 by some academician.

00:07:26.000 Well, this technology that we use didn't even exist in 2011.

00:07:30.000 So while we use different types, none of what they seem to be trying to debunk is what we're using.

00:07:37.000 So, I mean, it's sort of like, how do you answer?

00:07:40.000 And one thing I wish that would have been shown in the movie, and I don't think it was, that actually got me bought in when you were briefing us, was the New York Times article.

00:07:50.000 Was that, I don't think that was shown in the movie, was it?

00:07:53.000 No, and it's it's it's really very illustrative of how the data can be used.

00:07:59.000 And Greg, I don't, I guess you came across it.

00:08:02.000 I don't know how that all actually happened, but once you showed me, it was a series of articles.

00:08:06.000 Yes.

00:08:07.000 And it was America under One Nation Under Surveillance or something.

00:08:10.000 Yeah, One Nation tracked.

00:08:11.000 Yeah.

00:08:12.000 And so, you know, for a quick reference, we oftentimes talk about our methodology as being the New York Times methodology.

00:08:19.000 Yes.

00:08:19.000 Because it clearly shows how accurate the data can be.

00:08:24.000 And the tech that they were using has even modified since then, and it's a lot better.

00:08:24.000 Yeah.

00:08:29.000 But, you know, they even debunked their own technology and their own arguments.

00:08:34.000 So, I mean, you're talking to a newspaper that doesn't even like their own arguments, and they're trying to apply it to us.

00:08:40.000 Well, to give people an idea of what it says in the article, I remember when it came out, it was an Apple News article through New York Times, so you could go through it.

00:08:47.000 And I remember it was green dots with a black, you know, back illuminated background.

00:08:53.000 And they show how you're constantly being tracked.

00:08:56.000 Now, to demonstrate the accuracy of it, though, because you could be like, okay, whatever, they showed Mar-a-Lago, and they showed when Donald Trump went golfing.

00:09:06.000 And they were able to show when he went golfing based on everyone else's pings around him, Secret Service agents, staffers, emergency personnel or local police.

00:09:16.000 And then they overlaid it with his actual schedule.

00:09:19.000 And it was exactly right that at 11.48, Donald Trump left Mar-a-Lago to go to Trump National four miles away.

00:09:27.000 And that, you know, at 2:15, he came back.

00:09:30.000 It was exactly right down to a super, super precise moment.

00:09:34.000 So their own data shows that in their own article it works.

00:09:37.000 So that's just one thing I wish in the movie.

00:09:39.000 I think it popped when we were sitting kind of doing that private briefing.

00:09:42.000 That was one of the first things you guys showed us, which is like, hey, just so you know, this is a mainstream way of doing tracking.

00:09:47.000 Yeah, you know, we should put that back in the hearing for today.

00:09:50.000 Yeah, I think that would be.

00:09:51.000 We should add that back in.

00:09:53.000 I think it's very convincing because the motorcade thing in particular, because it shows that you know he, because the presidential schedule is public, you know, he was at Mar-a-Lago.

00:10:04.000 You know, and this is how we know because of all the kind of correlated pings.

00:10:08.000 And so, and then, but you made sure when you presented the data and you went through it that you didn't have false positives, right?

00:10:15.000 So the minimum was five ballot drop boxes.

00:10:18.000 Is that right?

00:10:19.000 Or was it 10?

00:10:20.000 Or was it that was the cutoff, right?

00:10:22.000 It was, it was the cutoff.

00:10:23.000 One of the things that's hard for people to understand is that we started with 10 trillion signals.

00:10:28.000 It's unbelievable.

00:10:29.000 And millions and millions of cell phones.

00:10:31.000 So we had to kind of whittle it down, right?

00:10:33.000 And people want to, you know, sort of fuss and fight about what we included or what we excluded.

00:10:39.000 But as we got closer and closer to this, Catherine often says that these were the outliers, right?

00:10:44.000 These are not people that walked by two, three, five times.

00:10:47.000 These are people that went not only to the drop boxes 10 times each, but they had to go to the stash houses five times.

00:10:54.000 Well, I want to talk about the stash houses.

00:10:56.000 I know you guys have to be careful talking about that.

00:10:58.000 That's the number one question I get.

00:10:59.000 I'm sure you get it as well, which is because it's a little bit cryptic in the movie.

00:11:03.000 You know, who are the stash houses?

00:11:05.000 Who are running them?

00:11:06.000 But that's a question.

00:11:07.000 Number one question I get, Charlie, what are the stash houses?

00:11:09.000 Let's go through kind of some of the objections to your data, if we will.

00:11:15.000 So Philip Bump from the Washington Post says this is all debunked.

00:11:18.000 This has been searched.

00:11:20.000 Has law enforcement done a thorough forensic investigation the way you have with your data as if they've already looked through this?

00:11:29.000 No, they've never even seen our data.

00:11:31.000 I mean, let alone look at it.

00:11:33.000 I mean, they had an opportunity in Georgia to go down and look at it, and all they wanted to do is beat me up and make us targets and target our witnesses and everybody else.

00:11:42.000 No, none of them even taken one single look at it.

00:11:45.000 They lost it one time.

00:11:46.000 Oh, is that right?

00:11:47.000 Yeah, one of the law enforcement agencies lost it.

00:11:49.000 We had to reprovide it.

00:11:51.000 But they all ignore those inconvenient facts, right?

00:11:56.000 Which does segue to what I wanted to talk about.

00:11:58.000 You guys can feel free to say, Charlie, we can't talk about it.

00:12:01.000 The stash houses.

00:12:02.000 What's the story of the stash houses?

00:12:07.000 Well, it's a good question.

00:12:10.000 And I understand the hesitancy because you're dealing with massive potential legal ramifications here, right?

00:12:16.000 There are.

00:12:17.000 I think our broader point is to maintain the integrity of any investigation that might go forward, it's really important that we not taint it with some wild allegation and say if there's 10 of them and they only find that it's true with seven of them.

00:12:33.000 Oh, I totally appreciate that.

00:12:35.000 Right.

00:12:35.000 I mean, that's something huge.

00:12:37.000 But in San Luis, Arizona, we had a little bit of a law enforcement busting up in one of them.

00:12:44.000 And so, you know, there's one.

00:12:46.000 So, but let's talk more broadly, and the specifics will eventually come out.

00:12:51.000 What is involved in a stash house, right?

00:12:53.000 So, at least in my mind, I see a bunch of kind of like mass low-wage laborers at 2 a.m. like putting things in baskets or bags.

00:13:02.000 What happens in a stash house?

00:13:03.000 Like, I mean, all these kind of very, I don't know, clandestine images come to mind.

00:13:08.000 Like, what is a stash house?

00:13:10.000 Well, so all we can really go on is what we have been told by whistleblowers and witnesses.

00:13:16.000 And there actually, it takes a lot of different forms.

00:13:19.000 We have information that suggests people go out and are going through neighborhoods and taking ballots out of mailboxes.

00:13:27.000 We have other instances where it's being reported that people will bring in their ballots in exchange for payment.

00:13:34.000 We have stories of ballots being bundled from elsewhere and being brought in.

00:13:38.000 So, there's all manner of ways that ballots come in.

00:13:43.000 Our constant refrain throughout all of this is, and that's why it should be investigated.

00:13:48.000 We are close to the extent of what we can do.

00:13:52.000 It is now to law enforcement to investigate this.

00:13:56.000 So, is it fair to say a stash house is kind of the central meeting point?

00:14:00.000 I mean, it's kind of like the Amazon distribution center.

00:14:04.000 Is that fair to say?

00:14:05.000 There's definitely a nexus.

00:14:06.000 Yeah, it really is.

00:14:07.000 I mean, now that we're picking on San Ryan, picking on Yuma County, San Luis, Arizona.

00:14:12.000 You could do that as much as you want.

00:14:14.000 I'm with you, man.

00:14:15.000 But it is a true microcosm of all the pieces and parts that we've seen from all over the country, all in one place.

00:14:23.000 And there is one particular organization there where we have, I think it was 71 instances where three or more of our mules, of the identified mules, were in the same building at the same time, 71 times.

00:14:39.000 It just, you can't make this up.

00:14:41.000 So, and just so everyone understands, San Luis is like on the border, on the border.

00:14:44.000 I've been to San Luis before.

00:14:45.000 I mean, you see the border crossing, right?

00:14:48.000 And so, and there's a lot of illegal activity that goes through there, drugs, human trafficking.

00:14:53.000 So, you're saying that this organization, are these typically 501c3s?

00:14:59.000 Are these are they or are they just kind of shell corporations?

00:15:03.000 Can you kind of give us a little bit of a characteristic?

00:15:06.000 Yeah, I think it's some of each.

00:15:08.000 There are definitely some 501c3s.

00:15:10.000 There are some for-profit corporations that are kind of mixed up in the grift.

00:15:15.000 There are elected officials that in their real job are running these outfits and these organizations.

00:15:21.000 So, I think it's all over the place.

00:15:23.000 And so, I suppose part of it is like hiding in plain sight.

00:15:27.000 So if one were in San Luis, I'm just conjecturing here, it'd be like, oh, we are the Hispanic Voter Coalition of Southwest Arizona.

00:15:35.000 Something that sounds, I'm not saying that's the name of it.

00:15:37.000 I'm just kind of thinking off the top of my head.

00:15:39.000 And no one would think like, oh, yeah, you know, there's something bad happening there.

00:15:42.000 Like, oh, no, our job is to go registered voters and boost turnout, kind of just fluffy imagery, right?

00:15:48.000 So then the outside world, no one thinks to ever look into it.

00:15:51.000 Yeah, same goes with some of the faith-based organizations.

00:15:54.000 There's an organization or two down there that has some ties back to some, or at least by name, to some faith-based groups.

00:16:01.000 And we just don't buy it.

00:16:02.000 I mean, the numbers are the numbers.

00:16:04.000 If there's three or more mules in this building 71 times, there's probably something going on.

00:16:09.000 And then you also are able to track that the mules went from the Snash House then to the drop boxes and then back and forth and back and forth and back and forth.

00:16:19.000 I want to ask about one of the particulars about how you were able to track the mules going to multiple ballot drop boxes, one after the other, which I think debunks the debunkers where they say, oh, it could have been a poll worker.

00:16:31.000 It's like, well, then why would they go to 15 different drop boxes if it's just across different counties and so forth?

00:16:37.000 At 3 o'clock in the morning.

00:16:37.000 Exactly.

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00:17:46.000 Greg, you and I were chatting privately.

00:17:48.000 Mo Brooks had a little bit of a back and forth this weekend around 2,000 mules.

00:17:55.000 For whatever reason, we're not allowed to talk about 2,000 mules kind of on certain networks.

00:18:00.000 What's your reaction to that?

00:18:01.000 You know, it's been, we've been shunned, obviously, by Google and everybody else.

00:18:06.000 But in this particular case, Sandra Smith on Fox asked Mo Brooks to sort of respond to something. 0.89

00:18:15.000 And he was responding by saying, yes, there is evidence in 2,000 mules.

00:18:20.000 And she just unleashed on him and came at him. 1.00

00:18:23.000 I mean, you could almost feel her kind of stuff.

00:18:24.000 What can she say?

00:18:26.000 She said that it had already been debunked and that Reuters had debunked it.

00:18:30.000 She didn't bother saying, well, this Canadian media company debunked it and all of that.

00:18:34.000 It was crazy.

00:18:35.000 Mo stook out for herself. 0.99

00:18:36.000 It was disturbing to me because I've sort of been in that line of fire on the other side of Fox where we're not able to talk about the one time I've been on Fox.

00:18:45.000 I wasn't able to talk about it.

00:18:46.000 Did they tell you you weren't allowed to say that was a direct order?

00:18:49.000 Yeah.

00:18:50.000 But, you know, that was, look, my approach to, or my thought about it was, and that's their choice.

00:18:57.000 If that's what they want to do, that's what they want to do.

00:19:00.000 But as Greg points out, you can't have it both ways.

00:19:04.000 That's the best point.

00:19:05.000 Instead, they should have said, and I've known Sandra for years.

00:19:08.000 I just think she was probably taking orders.

00:19:09.000 She probably should have said, no, we're not talking about that on this network.

00:19:13.000 Instead of saying it's debunked, then you're kind of...

00:19:15.000 Or teed up with an article to throw down.

00:19:18.000 You know, I mean, that to me was a little revealing.

00:19:20.000 See, we can't talk about it, but we will talk about it.

00:19:22.000 But we've already done Oppo on it.

00:19:25.000 Yeah, fair and balanced is actually unfair and imbalanced. 0.91

00:19:28.000 I mean, it's ridiculous. 0.91

00:19:29.000 They can't silence us like this. 0.96

00:19:31.000 How do you think that is?

00:19:32.000 I think that this topic is just people don't know how to handle it.

00:19:40.000 I think we've reached a place, sadly, in our society where it's sometimes just easier to seed and go along to get along and move past.

00:19:52.000 And we just, we can't.

00:19:54.000 Our elections are truly at risk, and we've got to unpack this.

00:19:58.000 And there's a way to do it, and it's talking through it.

00:20:01.000 It's not pretending like it didn't happen.

00:20:03.000 Do you think part of it is that the elites feel kind of a noble lie syndrome where that if this gets unraveled, then what else might also fall apart as if that we have to say that everything's fine.

00:20:14.000 We have to say that it's okay or else they're worried of civilizational unrest.

00:20:20.000 Do you think there's some truth to that?

00:20:21.000 Absolutely.

00:20:22.000 Everything we are as a republic presupposes a free and fair election, right?

00:20:27.000 So you start unraveling that.

00:20:29.000 I also think that they're completely petrified of what they don't know, and they have no idea what we have.

00:20:35.000 They know we have an amazing amount of data.

00:20:38.000 They have no idea what it is.

00:20:40.000 They have no idea if it stops at elections, if it goes in somewhere else, if it's other countries, if it's other companies.

00:20:46.000 They don't know what we have.

00:20:48.000 So they're afraid.

00:20:50.000 And, you know, it comes off as trying to silence us.

00:20:54.000 I mean, it felt sort of very 1984-ish.

00:20:56.000 I mean, trying to shout Mo down and him standing up.

00:20:59.000 I mean, in a different place in time, Moe would probably get disappeared or something.

00:21:02.000 Yeah, and I've had a mixed opinion of Mo, but I thought he did phenomenal.

00:21:06.000 I thought he stood up for himself really well.

00:21:06.000 Yeah.

00:21:08.000 Yeah.

00:21:08.000 Absolutely.

00:21:09.000 I really did.

00:21:10.000 So this is a question that we could, I want to talk about law enforcement, and then I want to talk a little more broadly.

00:21:15.000 Catherine, what's happened with law enforcement?

00:21:18.000 Is there some momentum based on your data?

00:21:20.000 And this is, to me, this is one of the most exciting things that's come out of this of late.

00:21:20.000 Well, yes.

00:21:24.000 So, you know, we've had our, we've been trying to present this to law enforcement since 2021, and it's been slow going.

00:21:31.000 But in hindsight, we now realize that maybe we were just reaching out to the wrong partners because what has happened of late is we have been contacted by sheriffs from across the country who have a tremendous amount of power directly accountable to the people.

00:21:47.000 And that fits our bill perfectly.

00:21:50.000 I mean, we are all about the power of citizen engagement.

00:21:53.000 So sheriffs are coming forward.

00:21:54.000 And we're going to be able to do it.

00:21:55.000 Because they can open investigations.

00:21:57.000 Absolutely.

00:21:57.000 And their resources are more limited, but you've done a lot of the legwork for them anyway.

00:22:01.000 Well, right.

00:22:01.000 Is that right?

00:22:03.000 And maybe 2020 is still in their sights.

00:22:07.000 But more importantly in some ways, they're ready to stand for law and order in 2022.

00:22:12.000 And that's what we need.

00:22:14.000 We need accountability.

00:22:17.000 We need direct contact for people that are witnessing things and have nowhere to turn because the system is just kind of breaking down.

00:22:26.000 So sheriffs, mean, it's opening a whole new opportunity.

00:22:30.000 And you're going to see a lot of that coming out from us and other organizations in the days ahead.

00:22:34.000 Greg?

00:22:36.000 Yeah, I'm so encouraged by all the things that are happening and all the people coming forward.

00:22:42.000 Catherine's long said that, you know, we're all a lot more alike than we are different.

00:22:45.000 And unfortunately, on the right, we tend to fight each other and eat our own.

00:22:51.000 But I think one of the things that Mules did, and it wasn't just with law enforcement, just with the sheriffs, but I think one of the things that Mules did was really break down some of those barriers.

00:22:59.000 You know, you don't have to agree with everything I say, but if you're fighting for freedom, I'll stand next to you and fight all day long.

00:23:06.000 So, Greg, how much, can you tease us a little bit on what might be coming next?

00:23:06.000 Amen.

00:23:10.000 You said there's something even bigger than Mules that you have.

00:23:14.000 We have some of the best researchers on the planet.

00:23:16.000 About 15 months ago, we came in contact with some information that we were able to help develop.

00:23:22.000 And Catherine and I put together a package and took it to federal law enforcement and some others.

00:23:31.000 And in so doing, really became engaged in what ended up being a major counterintelligence operation on an international scale.

00:23:39.000 There are multiple countries involved.

00:23:41.000 There's massive amounts of data and massive amount of money involved with all of this.

00:23:48.000 And it's like a thriller, like a James Bond kind of thing, right?

00:23:52.000 I mean, we got betrayed by our own government.

00:23:55.000 We've had all manner of things going on, but I can safely say it is more explosive than mules.

00:24:00.000 It's 10x bigger than mules.

00:24:02.000 10x bigger than mules.

00:24:03.000 And it's going to explode onto the scene and explode into America.

00:24:07.000 And between now and then, you know, we hope that we can put all these deals together and get everybody sort of steeled up against this and everybody get ready to fight.

00:24:17.000 Well, I'll speak to it from a process perspective.

00:24:21.000 I mean, what we've found in this next story as it necessarily reveals itself is going to leave some voids that citizens are going to need to wrap their minds around and step up and help with.

00:24:35.000 It is 10x bigger at least, but it is also very real.

00:24:41.000 It's more than just a story.

00:24:42.000 It's a practical implication of some of the weaknesses that exist in more ways than most people recognize within elections.

00:24:52.000 And we're now going to be called to stand up and help shore up that gap.

00:24:58.000 So not as cryptically, what could we expect?

00:25:03.000 Just kind of massive, explosive, civilizational defining type revelations, or we're just going to have to wait and see.

00:25:10.000 And that's fine because we don't want.

00:25:12.000 You know, this is actually, this is an interesting point.

00:25:16.000 I still, in my own mind, I don't see the path quite yet for how.

00:25:20.000 It's not a movie.

00:25:21.000 We're not going to do a movie.

00:25:28.000 I don't know quite how to break this.

00:25:30.000 I don't know quite how to tell the story because you want to just kind of get past all the sensational aspect of it and just say, it's true.

00:25:30.000 To tell the story.

00:25:39.000 Now let's get to work and fix it.

00:25:41.000 And at least that's the way I look at it.

00:25:44.000 I don't want to spend one second more than necessary sensationalizing the fact that what we have is what we have.

00:25:50.000 We have to deal with it.

00:25:52.000 And that's the part I'm most concerned about.

00:25:55.000 Sensationalization, though, is good for virality and stickiness.

00:25:58.000 As you guys are learning, right?

00:26:00.000 Yeah.

00:26:01.000 So I suppose then there's one other wrinkle that you guys have teased before that I want to ask you about, which is you said you're going to put all the data online.

00:26:10.000 Is that still the plan?

00:26:11.000 Yes, and if so, when Greg, you can speak to this in greater depth.

00:26:15.000 I just want to say this is the thing on the Mules project that I'm most fired up about because we have only scratched the surface, particularly in the video.

00:26:23.000 We have millions of minutes of video.

00:26:25.000 And to be able to set all that into an environment where people can look at it, where we can, we talked about it just this morning, being able to crowdsource it and give time stamp clues because even the timestamps in the video aren't 100%.

00:26:40.000 And they will find so much more than what we found.

00:26:43.000 And they'll see for themselves.

00:26:44.000 So sorry to interrupt, but you would put up, let's say, 4 million million of footage from Georgia and say, internet, here's where we think there are things.

00:26:50.000 Have some fun.

00:26:51.000 Yeah, let's gamify it, right?

00:26:53.000 I mean, let's give rewards if they find something cool.

00:26:55.000 Oh, yeah.

00:26:56.000 I mean, it's going to be so much fun.

00:26:57.000 And it won't just be Georgia.

00:26:58.000 We just put out another sweep of the 200 top counties in the country.

00:27:03.000 By federal standard, everybody was, or all counties and municipalities were supposed to hold that video surveillance and all election artifacts until September 3rd.

00:27:11.000 That's 22 months from the November 3rd, 2020.

00:27:15.000 So we should be getting lots more video.

00:27:18.000 You're going to get a lot of emails.

00:27:19.000 Sorry, the video simply does not.

00:27:21.000 Yeah.

00:27:21.000 Yeah, I think.

00:27:22.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:27:22.000 And we can't give you an answer.

00:27:22.000 Yeah.

00:27:24.000 But you know what?

00:27:25.000 We're going to post that too.

00:27:27.000 And so when do you plan to put everything up?

00:27:29.000 So, well, again, Greg, you speak to it.

00:27:32.000 Just, I'll give you my two cents.

00:27:34.000 It's been stickier than you might imagine because it's so much content.

00:27:38.000 And the way you get this stuff is like in hard drives typically that have different kinds of videos.

00:27:43.000 I mean, it's all very sort of, I mean, this is surveillance video.

00:27:46.000 This isn't like YouTube.

00:27:47.000 See, maybe Rumble servers could help. 0.84

00:27:48.000 I'm just thinking out loud.

00:27:49.000 I mean, they're coming up with a platform that's needed a server the size of Puerto Rico.

00:27:54.000 Yeah, that's been a challenge.

00:27:56.000 I think we've gotten over some of the main business hurdles, and I think we understand what we need to do now.

00:28:03.000 And it's just a matter of executing.

00:28:05.000 It's probably going to take six or eight weeks to get it all together.

00:28:08.000 But I think along the way, we can tease things out, right? 0.92

00:28:10.000 I mean, we can drop some bombs on people.

00:28:12.000 One of the things that everybody's been asking me about for some reason for the last couple of days is, well, do you have more of those maps?

00:28:17.000 Send me more of those maps.

00:28:19.000 You know, cool.

00:28:20.000 Let's send some maps.

00:28:20.000 All right.

00:28:21.000 So when you, when you, let's say you post the data, you'll be putting pings and videos up, just kind of it's in its raw form.

00:28:28.000 Is that right?

00:28:29.000 And also other open records.

00:28:30.000 Catherine's and her team have done an amazing job collecting open records over the last couple of years.

00:28:36.000 And there's some ridiculous stuff that are juicy stuff.

00:28:39.000 Oh my gosh. 0.88

00:28:40.000 Oh, I mean, yeah.

00:28:42.000 A lot of open records, a lot of chain of custody documents that researchers can help map out and look, identify the spikes, and then go back to see what the video shows.

00:28:54.000 It's a lot of very eye-opening stuff.

00:28:56.000 So, one of the objections that someone would say is, well, there's not video in the film that shows a mule going to more than one Dropbox.

00:29:05.000 I'm sure that will be solved rather quickly.

00:29:07.000 Yeah, sure.

00:29:08.000 And you guys have that video anyway.

00:29:09.000 Yeah, well, it's actually, if you look back at the trailer, the very first, not the trailer, the teaser, all these movie words, the very first thing that came out, super short, like a minute and a half or something.

00:29:09.000 Of course, we have to do that.

00:29:18.000 And there is what's shown in that is a sequence among many, one of a sequence of the same mule going to three different spots.

00:29:28.000 We should put that in the film.

00:29:29.000 But, well, I don't know if they did it or not.

00:29:30.000 No, they didn't.

00:29:31.000 But the thing is, the video is not good.

00:29:33.000 I mean, you just see like the shadowy got it.

00:29:36.000 And when you see, that's another reason I'm really excited about Ripcord is that you will see.

00:29:42.000 Operation Ripcord?

00:29:42.000 Is that what it's called?

00:29:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:44.000 That's so cool.

00:29:45.000 But you'll see for yourself how bad the video really is, which begs the question: so, how was that secure?

00:29:54.000 What were you actually surveilling?

00:29:58.000 Pay very close attention, everybody.

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00:31:01.000 Let's talk more about true the vote.

00:31:03.000 So I've known you for 10 years, Catherine and Greg.

00:31:05.000 We've done some fun things together, had a lot of fun shared experiences, a lot of good mutual friends, kind of lost contact for a couple years, and then kind of back in the fight.

00:31:13.000 Talk about what True The Vote is doing.

00:31:15.000 You're ramping up.

00:31:16.000 You're 501c3.

00:31:17.000 You need financial support.

00:31:18.000 Talk about that.

00:31:19.000 Absolutely.

00:31:20.000 Well, yeah, I mean, we've been in this fight since 2010.

00:31:23.000 It's always been at the heart of True of the Vote, the power of citizen engagement, and that's never been more important than now.

00:31:29.000 And so, even though 2,000 Mules and this research and some of the stories to follow were really just what feel like a necessary outfall of what happened in 2020, we had to get to the bottom of some of that, but it also exposes all the more reason for citizens to step in.

00:31:46.000 And so, what we'll be doing in the days ahead, you'll see us partnering with sheriffs' organizations.

00:31:50.000 I'm thrilled about that, and that will give people yet another outlet.

00:31:54.000 We're going to be doing lots more with the citizen-led efforts to clean the voter rolls, certainly the ripcord and looking at video.

00:32:02.000 So, there's so many ways to get eyes on and get engaged, and that's what we're really excited about.

00:32:07.000 So, I don't say this jokingly at all, but the third or fourth piece of feedback I receive about both of you is your safety, is that you're going up against the regime of evil.

00:32:21.000 Is that something that crosses your radar?

00:32:23.000 How do you guys process that?

00:32:24.000 I mean, some of that might just be paranoia on behalf of the watchers or viewers or listeners, but Greg, I mean, you and I have talked about this before.

00:32:32.000 You're going up against the Death Star.

00:32:34.000 Yeah, I mean, for me, I mean, I'm not too worried about it.

00:32:37.000 We worry a lot about Catherine.

00:32:38.000 We've got her surroundings.

00:32:39.000 Yeah, we don't worry a lot about Canada.

00:32:41.000 We worry a lot about Catherine.

00:32:43.000 Me, Chelsea, everybody else does.

00:32:46.000 And, you know, we just have to harden up and get it moving and get some people around her. 1.00

00:32:52.000 And it's all going to be fun.

00:32:54.000 I mean, look, the haters, as you guys know, the haters are going to hate.

00:32:57.000 Haters are going to hate.

00:32:58.000 They do.

00:32:59.000 And that's what they're doing.

00:33:00.000 And right now.

00:33:00.000 And this is.

00:33:01.000 There's nothing they can do.

00:33:02.000 There's nothing they can do to stop us, and it scares the hell out of them.

00:33:05.000 Well, it just, you know, this is something that I've grappled with for years.

00:33:11.000 First, when the Obama administration came after us, these are the days of our lives.

00:33:18.000 And you have to look in the mirror and say, how deep am I really willing to go?

00:33:22.000 And it's live Fortune Sacred Otter.

00:33:26.000 It's everything.

00:33:28.000 So talk a little bit more about the psychology that, Greg or Catherine, because some people are watching this and they're like, wow, I'm nervous to show up at a school board meeting, but these two people are trying to, you know, uncover and unmask an international, you know, multi-organizational kind of regime.

00:33:46.000 Just talk about what drives you.

00:33:47.000 I mean, because people will find that inspiring, and they should, by the way.

00:33:50.000 Well, let me speak to that from personal experience.

00:33:53.000 For the first two years, through the vote, when we started in 2010, the attacks that almost immediately began with the Obama administration and the incursion of five different government agencies and the IRS and so forth and so on.

00:34:05.000 OSHA.

00:34:06.000 And OSHA and BATF and FBI.

00:34:09.000 And in any event, I didn't talk about it for nearly two years.

00:34:13.000 I didn't even tell my team because of the stigma and the concern about what the view of it all would be if you were aware of all of the audits and investigations.

00:34:24.000 All this to say that after that period of time, when we finally decided to sue the IRS, the congressional testimony came and we had an opportunity to tell the story, I realized really for the first time the power in speaking out.

00:34:38.000 And I also realized that what our opposition wants more than anything is to chill us into silence.

00:34:44.000 Wow.

00:34:44.000 That's how they win.

00:34:45.000 What is the power of speaking out that you've found?

00:34:47.000 Does it disempower them? 0.54

00:34:49.000 Does it shine a light on their it does?

00:34:52.000 It does that.

00:34:52.000 But it also unites you with Americans that you can tap into that great reservoir of faith and love that is the American people, and you just feel it.

00:35:04.000 I feel, I feel that we have millions of people praying for us.

00:35:07.000 Yeah, because it's easier just to kind of sit down, shut up, and let it happen, right?

00:35:12.000 I mean, that's the easy path.

00:35:16.000 Yeah, I guess, but don't do that.

00:35:18.000 No, no, no, no, but no.

00:35:19.000 Easy is not, we talk about on the show, easy is not right or good.

00:35:22.000 No, meaning just to kind of sit down and roll over, true thevote.org, give a donation, everybody, support them.

00:35:29.000 If you saw 2,000 meals, good, but you want to know the data that drove all that?

00:35:33.000 It was how many millions of dollars you guys spent?

00:35:35.000 $3, $4 million you count staff time?

00:35:37.000 Easy to grab.

00:35:38.000 It's all in, and we're still spending it.

00:35:39.000 It's still going.

00:35:40.000 It's several million dollars.

00:35:43.000 Millions, millions.

00:35:44.000 Huge investment.

00:35:44.000 That didn't come from the RNC.

00:35:46.000 That didn't come from the Chamber of Commerce.

00:35:48.000 That came from a grassroots organization, trueThevote.org.

00:35:50.000 Any closing thoughts in 15 seconds?

00:35:53.000 I would just add to the last conversation you guys were having: God's with us.

00:35:57.000 We have a true north, and the other side just has nothing but darkness.

00:36:01.000 And they are.

00:36:02.000 When you guys learn what I've had, a little bit of crumbs that I've learned off camera, you'll see the institutional evil that these two are uncovering.

00:36:09.000 God bless you guys.

00:36:10.000 We have your back, and so do millions of others.

00:36:11.000 Thank you.

00:36:12.000 Appreciate it.

00:36:12.000 Thank you.

00:36:12.000 Truthevote.org and watch their testimony in front of the Arizona Senate today.

00:36:16.000 See you guys tomorrow.

00:36:19.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:20.000 Email me directly, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:22.000 Thank you so much for listening.

00:36:24.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - June 01, 2022

10x Bigger than '2000 Mules' with True the Vote's Catherine Engelbrecht and Gregg Phillips

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