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00:02:05.000Some of you are familiar with Katherine and Greg because of the movie that you saw, 2000 Mules, but you must understand the data and the research.
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00:02:22.000We have a hearing this afternoon in the Senate, so we are looking forward to making a presentation about a lot of what's covered in 2000 Mules and some new stuff.
00:02:31.000And so, Greg, I hear there's been some indictments.
00:02:34.000Yeah, there have been a few arrests earlier, then a plea deal and another plea deal.
00:02:39.000I understand that maybe something in court tomorrow.
00:02:42.000Been down there interviewing a bunch of folks, confiscating computers, cell phones, all manner of stuff going on.
00:02:48.000Did your data lead to those indictments?
00:02:51.000You know, I think that it augmented everything that was already happening.
00:02:58.000I think that the fact that the plea agreement was made the day after the movie was released is pretty interesting.
00:03:07.000And maybe we'll know a little bit more when it goes to court tomorrow.
00:03:10.000So let's take a step back and kind of talk about the data in general because your work has kind of created a firestorm in the media, and it's now hitting kind of a critical moment where it's too big to ignore, where people at the top levels of our government are talking about it.
00:03:27.000And, you know, they're trying to do everything they possibly can to tamper it down.
00:03:31.000But the grassroots kind of energy is really kind of hitting a fever pitch, which I think to both your credit was the brilliance of doing the presentation of it in a movie because it's so dramatic that it gets people compelled to action more so than just kind of leaking it to reporters.
00:03:47.000But let's kind of start from square one just to kind of refresh our audience.
00:03:51.000Both of you went and did the tough work to go get the pings or the geolocation technology that anybody could access if they had the money to do so.
00:05:29.000Well, I mean, I think the most notable of late is the January 6th event.
00:05:35.000The government was quick to embrace, as was many of the corporate media, quick to embrace the use of the geospatial technology that now they have used as a backdrop to arrest and imprison many Americans.
00:05:49.000So the accuracy clearly was something that law enforcement looked kindly upon in that situation.
00:06:45.000I mean, I think that we turned the tables in a way that the media and that entire group of sycophants that wants to suppress this kind of information and keep this narrative alive that 2020 was the most secure election ever, which it clearly was not.
00:07:09.000They are invested and they will say anything.
00:07:19.000They're talking about stuff that existed back in 2010.
00:07:22.000There was some study done in 2011 by some academician.
00:07:26.000Well, this technology that we use didn't even exist in 2011.
00:07:30.000So while we use different types, none of what they seem to be trying to debunk is what we're using.
00:07:37.000So, I mean, it's sort of like, how do you answer?
00:07:40.000And one thing I wish that would have been shown in the movie, and I don't think it was, that actually got me bought in when you were briefing us, was the New York Times article.
00:07:50.000Was that, I don't think that was shown in the movie, was it?
00:07:53.000No, and it's it's it's really very illustrative of how the data can be used.
00:07:59.000And Greg, I don't, I guess you came across it.
00:08:02.000I don't know how that all actually happened, but once you showed me, it was a series of articles.
00:08:29.000But, you know, they even debunked their own technology and their own arguments.
00:08:34.000So, I mean, you're talking to a newspaper that doesn't even like their own arguments, and they're trying to apply it to us.
00:08:40.000Well, to give people an idea of what it says in the article, I remember when it came out, it was an Apple News article through New York Times, so you could go through it.
00:08:47.000And I remember it was green dots with a black, you know, back illuminated background.
00:08:53.000And they show how you're constantly being tracked.
00:08:56.000Now, to demonstrate the accuracy of it, though, because you could be like, okay, whatever, they showed Mar-a-Lago, and they showed when Donald Trump went golfing.
00:09:06.000And they were able to show when he went golfing based on everyone else's pings around him, Secret Service agents, staffers, emergency personnel or local police.
00:09:16.000And then they overlaid it with his actual schedule.
00:09:19.000And it was exactly right that at 11.48, Donald Trump left Mar-a-Lago to go to Trump National four miles away.
00:09:27.000And that, you know, at 2:15, he came back.
00:09:30.000It was exactly right down to a super, super precise moment.
00:09:34.000So their own data shows that in their own article it works.
00:09:37.000So that's just one thing I wish in the movie.
00:09:39.000I think it popped when we were sitting kind of doing that private briefing.
00:09:42.000That was one of the first things you guys showed us, which is like, hey, just so you know, this is a mainstream way of doing tracking.
00:09:47.000Yeah, you know, we should put that back in the hearing for today.
00:09:53.000I think it's very convincing because the motorcade thing in particular, because it shows that you know he, because the presidential schedule is public, you know, he was at Mar-a-Lago.
00:10:04.000You know, and this is how we know because of all the kind of correlated pings.
00:10:08.000And so, and then, but you made sure when you presented the data and you went through it that you didn't have false positives, right?
00:10:15.000So the minimum was five ballot drop boxes.
00:11:33.000I mean, they had an opportunity in Georgia to go down and look at it, and all they wanted to do is beat me up and make us targets and target our witnesses and everybody else.
00:11:42.000No, none of them even taken one single look at it.
00:12:17.000I think our broader point is to maintain the integrity of any investigation that might go forward, it's really important that we not taint it with some wild allegation and say if there's 10 of them and they only find that it's true with seven of them.
00:14:15.000But it is a true microcosm of all the pieces and parts that we've seen from all over the country, all in one place.
00:14:23.000And there is one particular organization there where we have, I think it was 71 instances where three or more of our mules, of the identified mules, were in the same building at the same time, 71 times.
00:16:04.000If there's three or more mules in this building 71 times, there's probably something going on.
00:16:09.000And then you also are able to track that the mules went from the Snash House then to the drop boxes and then back and forth and back and forth and back and forth.
00:16:19.000I want to ask about one of the particulars about how you were able to track the mules going to multiple ballot drop boxes, one after the other, which I think debunks the debunkers where they say, oh, it could have been a poll worker.
00:16:31.000It's like, well, then why would they go to 15 different drop boxes if it's just across different counties and so forth?
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00:18:36.000It was disturbing to me because I've sort of been in that line of fire on the other side of Fox where we're not able to talk about the one time I've been on Fox.
00:19:54.000Our elections are truly at risk, and we've got to unpack this.
00:19:58.000And there's a way to do it, and it's talking through it.
00:20:01.000It's not pretending like it didn't happen.
00:20:03.000Do you think part of it is that the elites feel kind of a noble lie syndrome where that if this gets unraveled, then what else might also fall apart as if that we have to say that everything's fine.
00:20:14.000We have to say that it's okay or else they're worried of civilizational unrest.
00:20:20.000Do you think there's some truth to that?
00:21:24.000So, you know, we've had our, we've been trying to present this to law enforcement since 2021, and it's been slow going.
00:21:31.000But in hindsight, we now realize that maybe we were just reaching out to the wrong partners because what has happened of late is we have been contacted by sheriffs from across the country who have a tremendous amount of power directly accountable to the people.
00:22:36.000Yeah, I'm so encouraged by all the things that are happening and all the people coming forward.
00:22:42.000Catherine's long said that, you know, we're all a lot more alike than we are different.
00:22:45.000And unfortunately, on the right, we tend to fight each other and eat our own.
00:22:51.000But I think one of the things that Mules did, and it wasn't just with law enforcement, just with the sheriffs, but I think one of the things that Mules did was really break down some of those barriers.
00:22:59.000You know, you don't have to agree with everything I say, but if you're fighting for freedom, I'll stand next to you and fight all day long.
00:23:06.000So, Greg, how much, can you tease us a little bit on what might be coming next?
00:24:03.000And it's going to explode onto the scene and explode into America.
00:24:07.000And between now and then, you know, we hope that we can put all these deals together and get everybody sort of steeled up against this and everybody get ready to fight.
00:24:17.000Well, I'll speak to it from a process perspective.
00:24:21.000I mean, what we've found in this next story as it necessarily reveals itself is going to leave some voids that citizens are going to need to wrap their minds around and step up and help with.
00:24:35.000It is 10x bigger at least, but it is also very real.
00:25:30.000I don't know quite how to tell the story because you want to just kind of get past all the sensational aspect of it and just say, it's true.
00:26:01.000So I suppose then there's one other wrinkle that you guys have teased before that I want to ask you about, which is you said you're going to put all the data online.
00:26:11.000Yes, and if so, when Greg, you can speak to this in greater depth.
00:26:15.000I just want to say this is the thing on the Mules project that I'm most fired up about because we have only scratched the surface, particularly in the video.
00:26:25.000And to be able to set all that into an environment where people can look at it, where we can, we talked about it just this morning, being able to crowdsource it and give time stamp clues because even the timestamps in the video aren't 100%.
00:26:40.000And they will find so much more than what we found.
00:26:44.000So sorry to interrupt, but you would put up, let's say, 4 million million of footage from Georgia and say, internet, here's where we think there are things.
00:26:58.000We just put out another sweep of the 200 top counties in the country.
00:27:03.000By federal standard, everybody was, or all counties and municipalities were supposed to hold that video surveillance and all election artifacts until September 3rd.
00:27:11.000That's 22 months from the November 3rd, 2020.
00:27:15.000So we should be getting lots more video.
00:28:05.000It's probably going to take six or eight weeks to get it all together.
00:28:08.000But I think along the way, we can tease things out, right?
00:28:10.000I mean, we can drop some bombs on people.
00:28:12.000One of the things that everybody's been asking me about for some reason for the last couple of days is, well, do you have more of those maps?
00:28:42.000A lot of open records, a lot of chain of custody documents that researchers can help map out and look, identify the spikes, and then go back to see what the video shows.
00:29:09.000Yeah, well, it's actually, if you look back at the trailer, the very first, not the trailer, the teaser, all these movie words, the very first thing that came out, super short, like a minute and a half or something.
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00:31:03.000So I've known you for 10 years, Catherine and Greg.
00:31:05.000We've done some fun things together, had a lot of fun shared experiences, a lot of good mutual friends, kind of lost contact for a couple years, and then kind of back in the fight.
00:31:13.000Talk about what True The Vote is doing.
00:31:20.000Well, yeah, I mean, we've been in this fight since 2010.
00:31:23.000It's always been at the heart of True of the Vote, the power of citizen engagement, and that's never been more important than now.
00:31:29.000And so, even though 2,000 Mules and this research and some of the stories to follow were really just what feel like a necessary outfall of what happened in 2020, we had to get to the bottom of some of that, but it also exposes all the more reason for citizens to step in.
00:31:46.000And so, what we'll be doing in the days ahead, you'll see us partnering with sheriffs' organizations.
00:31:50.000I'm thrilled about that, and that will give people yet another outlet.
00:31:54.000We're going to be doing lots more with the citizen-led efforts to clean the voter rolls, certainly the ripcord and looking at video.
00:32:02.000So, there's so many ways to get eyes on and get engaged, and that's what we're really excited about.
00:32:07.000So, I don't say this jokingly at all, but the third or fourth piece of feedback I receive about both of you is your safety, is that you're going up against the regime of evil.
00:32:21.000Is that something that crosses your radar?
00:32:24.000I mean, some of that might just be paranoia on behalf of the watchers or viewers or listeners, but Greg, I mean, you and I have talked about this before.
00:32:32.000You're going up against the Death Star.
00:32:34.000Yeah, I mean, for me, I mean, I'm not too worried about it.
00:33:28.000So talk a little bit more about the psychology that, Greg or Catherine, because some people are watching this and they're like, wow, I'm nervous to show up at a school board meeting, but these two people are trying to, you know, uncover and unmask an international, you know, multi-organizational kind of regime.
00:33:47.000I mean, because people will find that inspiring, and they should, by the way.
00:33:50.000Well, let me speak to that from personal experience.
00:33:53.000For the first two years, through the vote, when we started in 2010, the attacks that almost immediately began with the Obama administration and the incursion of five different government agencies and the IRS and so forth and so on.
00:34:09.000And in any event, I didn't talk about it for nearly two years.
00:34:13.000I didn't even tell my team because of the stigma and the concern about what the view of it all would be if you were aware of all of the audits and investigations.
00:34:24.000All this to say that after that period of time, when we finally decided to sue the IRS, the congressional testimony came and we had an opportunity to tell the story, I realized really for the first time the power in speaking out.
00:34:38.000And I also realized that what our opposition wants more than anything is to chill us into silence.
00:34:52.000But it also unites you with Americans that you can tap into that great reservoir of faith and love that is the American people, and you just feel it.
00:35:04.000I feel, I feel that we have millions of people praying for us.
00:35:07.000Yeah, because it's easier just to kind of sit down, shut up, and let it happen, right?
00:36:02.000When you guys learn what I've had, a little bit of crumbs that I've learned off camera, you'll see the institutional evil that these two are uncovering.