00:01:18.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:26.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:57.000We didn't really know what we were dealing with at the time.
00:02:00.000I remember exactly the office I was sitting in here in Phoenix, and I remember the Turning Point USA team that was in, and we were all really confused.
00:02:08.000Said, wait, they're going to shut down the country?
00:02:20.000And we kind of all learned kind of what a lockdown was pretty quickly: 15 days to slow the spread, and then it became 30 days to slow the spread.
00:02:31.000And it's been two years of lockdowns now.
00:02:34.000What's so amazing, though, is it's not the virus that did this.
00:03:02.000And if you got the virus, get a ventilator.
00:03:05.000We were told that you must first not wear masks, then wear cloth masks.
00:03:10.000We were told that treatments such as hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin and vitamin D levels and ivermectin, none of those things could possibly help you.
00:03:22.000We were told that the virus could be spread on a surface and could stay there for upwards of a week or two weeks.
00:03:28.000So we had to wear gloves and we had to scrub down all the surfaces.
00:03:33.000We were told that children could be super spreaders of the virus.
00:03:55.000We are on a very alone contrarian island, but it was actually good for our program, bad for the country, because we were one of the few programs that was talking about ending the lockdowns and ending the mandates.
00:04:05.000And then, of course, Floyd Palooza happened after that in June when we decided to commit civilizational arson and burn down everything because systemic racism, I guess.
00:04:19.000So, two years after the lockdowns, today, it's two years.
00:05:21.000But one of the things that we did learn that I think should be a takeaway, if we're serious about it, is mass hysteria usually is not rooted in truth.
00:05:39.000Mass hysteria usually results in really bad decision making.
00:05:47.000CNBC.com says a year later, Trump's 15 Days Slow the Spread campaign shows how little we knew about COVID.
00:06:11.000The two largest failings of the guidance were that if we didn't acknowledge that people without symptoms could spread the virus and didn't say anything about wearing masks, there was so much we didn't know about the disease at the time.
00:06:21.000Dr. Leanna Wen said, yeah, she's a real gem.
00:06:25.000There were two key elements in our scientific knowledge that we didn't fully understand.
00:06:29.000One was the degree of asymptomatic transmission, which is nothing.
00:06:32.000And two was the aerosols, how it's not just transmitted through people sneezing and coughing.
00:06:39.000We were played for this civilizational game for two years.
00:06:44.000We went on Steve Hilton's program and we said the cure cannot be worse than the disease.
00:06:48.000And I can tell you, I don't rarely get nervous when I go on television, but I was nervous because that was a really contrarian take at the time.
00:06:56.000Do you think it's hard right now to oppose military intervention in Ukraine?
00:07:02.000This is a cakewalk compared to saying that we need to reopen the country against an invisible killer, a pathogen, and there might be a pill that could help you with it, and antiviral treatments might be able to help you navigate.
00:07:15.000I mean, if you could survive being a lockdown critic, a vaccine skeptic, a COVID vaccine skeptic, I should say, or a mask skeptic and a anti-lockdown crusader, Ukraine is like, whatever.
00:07:34.000And then you go from that into Floyd-Palooza, where everybody comes after you, and you double and triple down because you say America is actually not systemically racist.
00:07:43.000And there's a black on black crime in America problem in America.
00:07:47.000There's a fatherlessness problem in America.
00:07:49.000In fact, we have an under-policing problem in America.
00:07:54.000So I personally learned my takeaway is I'm not going to follow for the mass hysteria.
00:07:59.000That the people that are wrong about everything and that are corrupt to the core and that I believe do not have the best interests of the country, that whenever they start to all start to say the same thing at the same time on all the news networks, yeah, I'm going to be really skeptical about something actually.
00:08:15.000When they get super enthusiastic about a certain cause, it usually isn't in the best interest of the country.
00:08:21.000It's not like Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Adam Kinsley, or Lynn Cheney and Joe Biden and Jen Psaki and all them are saying, you know what?
00:08:59.000You see, if you consume news and information actually the way that they design it through CNN or through the New York Times, you are clay for molding.
00:09:10.000They want to mold you into a state of paranoia, a state of hyperaction.
00:09:18.000They don't want you to be prosperous or flourishing.
00:09:21.000It's one of the reasons why I don't watch any of these networks.
00:09:23.000I get my news through reading certain trusted sources, reading Timeless and Ancient Wisdom, thinking and praying and meditating, and then doing my program.
00:09:33.000I watch Tucker Carlson, listen to a couple podcasts.
00:09:46.000Do we have a commission report where we were able to say, wow, look at all the things we got wrong when we had this mass hysteria event that resulted in 800,000 people dead?
00:10:01.000Are we now more or less likely to try to make similar mistakes now?
00:10:08.000The BLM square, the virtue signaling square, the you must get vaccinated.
00:10:14.000I'm going to change my selfie profile picture to wear a mask, all stands, sounds very similar to the hyper-aggressive posture that is now being gone to.
00:10:24.000We need to go get militarily involved in Ukraine.
00:11:36.000You rarely see this kind of focus and commitment.
00:11:38.000They recently shared with me that they are doubling down and want to literally double their total number of happy customers in the next year.
00:11:46.000If you're struggling with back pain, neck pain, shoulder, hip, or knee pain, even general muscle aches and pain, then I'm suggesting you order their three-week quick start, still discounted, only $19.95.
00:12:22.000Nothing more important for the American people to do to slow the spread than to heed your state and local guidance in areas impacted by the coronavirus and for everyone else to put into practice the 15 days to slow the spread.
00:12:42.000But it is, people ask me from time to time, what can I do?
00:12:48.000And I say from my heart to every American, this is what you can do.
00:12:52.000That was a mistake from the beginning.
00:13:05.000The Constitution was supposed to prevent people like unelected bureaucrats like Anthony Fauci with unchecked power to be able to have unlimited authority to be able to lock down the American government.
00:13:16.000Anthony Fauci, failing upwards his entire life two years ago today, pulled off a deep state miracle by him becoming the acting czar of the United States.
00:13:27.000Sure, Donald Trump was still in charge of plenty of things, but basically, we delegated our power to the fourth branch of government in a way that created a damaging effect to our currency, to our borders, to our sovereignty, to our spiritual health, to our physical health, to our family health, only further encouraging congressional involvement to create $6 trillion out of thin air.
00:13:53.000And the whole kind of moral thing, like the right thing to do is stay at home, there is zero epidemiological reason for that whatsoever.
00:13:59.000We read from the New York Times article last week that showed that lockdowns, measures, and masks have zero impact.
00:14:04.000In fact, blue states that did that are doing far worse than red states that have been completely and totally wide open.
00:14:12.000You do not lock down and quarantine the healthy.
00:15:25.000That message should have been the message from the beginning.
00:15:27.000Treatments, azithromycin, hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, vitamin D levels, which we never talked about.
00:15:35.000Fitness, not being fat, not overdrinking, getting proper sunlight, monoclonal antibodies, aspirin, all of these things, intravenous therapy, ozone therapy, all of these things have been proven to help with the treatment of COVID.
00:15:55.000And yet, the media, they wanted hysteria.
00:15:57.000I just ask you guys to think and reflect and pray.
00:16:01.000If the media wanted hysteria then and they want it now, why are we still listening to them?
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00:17:21.000With us right now is Congressman Thomas Massey.
00:17:24.000I've known him for years, and his courage to speak out on the Ukrainian conflict has really struck me.
00:17:31.000And I want him to explain that to our listeners and to maybe give another side that the corporate media isn't telling us.
00:17:39.000Congressman, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:17:42.000Hey, thanks for having me on, Charlie.
00:17:43.000I'd like to further memorialize this anniversary of 15 Days to Slow the Spread, if I may.
00:17:49.000We are 102 weeks, $7 trillion, three jabs, two presidents, and a shredded constitution into slowing the spread as of today.
00:18:00.000But I have good news for you, Charlie.
00:18:02.000I attended the briefing from President Zelensky to members of Congress, and what I discovered is Zelensky ended COVID today.
00:18:11.000We sat shoulder to shoulder, senators and representatives, in a crowded room, standing room only, no masks, no vaccine mandates, no testing, no social distancing, to listen to Zelensky today.
00:18:24.000So I got to give him credit, he cured COVID.
00:18:28.000It was the Zelensky vaccine, where all of a sudden all the measures just kind of went away.
00:18:33.000So, Congressman, how should we think about the Ukrainian-Russian situation?
00:18:51.000Well, first of all, we shouldn't look at it as a custody battle between the European Union and a Soviet Union.
00:18:58.000You know, if you're going to have geopolitical stability, probably Ukraine needs to be neutral and not be a satellite to either the Western countries or to Russia.
00:19:10.000But that's up for them to decide, and we shouldn't be meddling in that.
00:19:28.000The no-fly zone that President Zelensky asked from Congress today would mean U.S. airmen or Army troops or Marines or Navy shooting down Russian planes.
00:19:42.000And we should not be engaging another nuclear power in an air battle in Europe.
00:20:19.000Should the American government be involved in supplying arms to this murky conflict?
00:20:25.000Yes, I looked at where that money's going.
00:20:27.000Some of it's going to so-called humanitarian aid, but some of it also goes to NATO.
00:20:34.000And my question that I asked yesterday is: when did we just accept the premise that conservatives in the United States should be subsidizing socialist governments in Europe?
00:20:45.000We're subsidizing their military defense.
00:20:49.000So, you know, I've got some colleagues here in Congress who say, well, we shouldn't be sending arms and money to Ukraine, but we should definitely send some more troops and some more arms over there to NATO.
00:21:02.000That's a premise that nobody should accept, especially if you believe in free markets and individual liberty.
00:21:08.000Why should we be subsidizing these governments that give handouts?
00:21:11.000And frankly, they pay for abortions, public abortions in these countries.
00:21:16.000Why are we sending them money to subsidize their defense?
00:21:20.000And I'm talking about virtually every country in the European Union, not just NATO.
00:21:25.000So you tweeted out, quote, one of the biggest con jobs ever pulled off, leftists and the military-industrial complex convincing conservatives to heavily subsidize the military defense of socialist countries, wake up Republicans, exactly what you just talked about.
00:21:38.000But talk about the military-industrial complex.
00:21:40.000Does it seem as if there is this kind of stumbling towards war?
00:22:01.000Or are we now saying basically we're going to subsidize what is close to a border conflict civil war, a family dispute, for the foreseeable future?
00:22:12.000Well, the military-industrial complex has lost some money here recently because the war in Afghanistan has been ended rather clumsily and negligently so by Joe Biden, but it was the right move to get troops out of there, not the way he did it.
00:22:28.000But the military-industrial complex is going to need revenue to supplant that missing revenue.
00:22:36.000Now, I don't think they want a global conflagration, but to have something simmering along for a long period of time would probably benefit them.
00:22:46.000So you need to take the propaganda that you see with a grain of salt.
00:22:50.000And by the way, that's what Zelensky was delivering today to members of Congress.
00:22:55.000He addressed us with a small speech, and then he hit play on a video that was meant to play to the emotions of Congress.
00:23:03.000And then he came back and reiterated his request for a no-fly zone and other measures of support from U.S. taxpayers.
00:23:12.000So we just, you know, we've got to keep our boots off the ground in Ukraine, but we also have got to quit fantasizing that we could attack Russia or that even a NATO country could attack Russia, whether it's on the ground or in the air, and not have them retaliate and not draw the rest of the NATO countries into this conflict.
00:23:37.000Don't fall prey to the propaganda and keep a level head.
00:23:42.000That's my advice to my colleagues here.
00:23:45.000Yeah, it seems as if you're in the vast minority, Congressman.
00:23:47.000That's one of the reasons why we wanted to have you on this program, because, I mean, we have so many problems here at home.
00:23:53.000We have domestic security issues on our southern border.
00:23:56.000You know, in Kentucky, major fentanyl and drug overdose issues.
00:23:59.000Our Constitution is basically becoming kind of an irrelevant relic at this point, which is our public health bureaucrats do whatever they want.
00:24:18.000When we start to kind of stumble into these conflicts, then other really important domestic issues inevitably get put aside.
00:24:26.000Well, yeah, this conflict now allows them to ignore virtually everything else that's going on.
00:24:31.000My colleague Matt Rosendell was in that briefing from Zelensky.
00:24:35.000And when it was over with, he leaned forward and he said, look, we lost like 100,000 people to overdoses last year, and much of that was due to fentanyl that's coming across the border.
00:24:46.000Frankly, it's not possible for the media to concentrate or even look at more than one or two things at a time, and they're happy to ignore the other problems that we have.
00:24:57.000We're spending $15 billion in one fell swoop and one bill to protect Ukraine's border and the sovereignty of Ukraine, ostensibly.
00:25:07.000And they couldn't even come up with $5 billion to fund the wall between us and Mexico when coming across that border is not just Mexicans, it's people from all over the country, some of whom are cartel members and terrorists.
00:25:23.000So talk a little bit about this biolab situation.
00:25:26.000Can you help us separate fact from fiction?
00:25:29.000I asked because, I mean, you went to MIT, you have a background in engineering.
00:25:35.000I think this is something that you have some sort of interest in.
00:25:37.000You actually are better qualified to talk about than most.
00:25:41.000Why were we involved in sending $200 million to Ukraine for these biolabs over the last 17 years?
00:25:46.000They said it was to kind of like unwind the biolaboratories.
00:25:51.000Based on what you're able to tell us that isn't classified, what's fact from fiction here?
00:25:55.000Well, you know, just listen to Victoria Newland.
00:25:59.000She was the deputy assistant or whatever.
00:26:03.000She's the one who was caught on the phone calls saying F the EU when the United States under Obama was frankly trying to overthrow the government of Ukraine to get a more Western-friendly government.
00:26:20.000She is literally part of the deep state, okay?
00:26:23.000And she was asked by Marco Rubio in a Senate hearing, mind you, she was sworn in.
00:27:52.000Why would we be funding biolabs in Ukraine?
00:27:56.000Why would we be funding biolabs in China?
00:27:59.000You know, maybe it's because some of that research is outlawed here in the United States, or maybe we're trying to get plausible deniability over what was going on over there.
00:28:11.000Yeah, and it's right on the Russian border, so it could have spewed into.
00:28:20.000Finally, Congressman, before we let you go, and thank you for being generous with your time, talk about the bill you're proposing to try to have us not wear masks on airplanes.
00:28:27.000If you get this done, you deserve a statue.
00:28:31.000Well, we're fighting on all fronts here.
00:28:33.000Rand Paul just got it passed in the Senate, and there were eight or nine Democrats that defected from Joe Biden.
00:28:40.000It's called the Congressional Review Act, and it would undo something that was done in a regulatory nature.
00:28:45.000Joe Biden threatened to veto that when he saw that it was gaining momentum in the Senate, yet still many Democrats defected from him.
00:28:53.000We've got a similar bill here in the House that would institute the Congressional Review Act.
00:28:58.000It would countermand Biden's mandate on airplanes.
00:29:02.000But again, he's already threatened to veto it.
00:29:05.000So we've got a backup plan that we just filed on Monday.
00:29:09.000I got 16 of my colleagues, including Senator Rand Paul, to file a lawsuit against the CDC.
00:29:15.000You know, the CDC is citing the same statute that they cited for the eviction moratorium, which the Supreme Court struck down this summer.
00:29:25.000They're citing that very same statute to justify the masks on airplanes.
00:29:31.000And what the Supreme Court did this summer is they narrowed what they thought that statute meant and what the CDC could do with that statute.
00:29:39.000So we think that the Supreme Court has probably narrowed the definition enough that the masks fall outside of their jurisdiction.
00:29:46.000And the second part of our lawsuit says: if banning masks or if requiring masks on airplanes falls within the jurisdiction of this statute, then the statute itself is unconstitutional because it violates the non-delegation principle, saying that we can't delegate lawmaking authority that broadly to administrative branches.
00:30:07.000Congressman, you are fighting for liberty every single day, and I deeply appreciate that.
00:30:13.000And thank you for your courage and your prudent sort of analysis on what's happening in Ukraine and Russia.
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00:32:30.000With the current leadership class of Mark Milley and Lloyd Austin and Jake Sullivan, Kamala Harris, you trust Kamala Harris to solve this?
00:32:41.000You trust Kamala Harris to go into it?
00:32:43.000Because that really is the position of the Republican Party right now.
00:32:46.000The position of the Republican Party is that we want to stand with Ukraine.
00:32:50.000Therefore, we're going to go give a bunch of money so Mark Milley, Lloyd Austin, Jake Sullivan, Kamala Harris, and Joe Biden can be in charge.
00:32:58.000I'm going to be on the side that they're likely to mess it up.
00:33:03.000If Donald Trump was in charge, I would have a completely different perspective.
00:33:08.000I would have trust and I would have faith that he'd be able to thread this needle and not pour gasoline on the fire.
00:33:15.000So you might want to do something, but even if you want to do something, do you trust Kamala Harris to get that done?
00:33:26.000Well, your Republican leaders have done that.
00:33:28.000And if you are saying, I want to get involved in Ukraine, you have to deal with the team you have in front of you, right?
00:33:34.000So I know a lot of you say, oh, well, I'm not talking about them.
00:33:37.000Well, that's who's running your government right now.
00:33:39.000So you have to deal with what it is, not what you want it to be.
00:33:43.000So what you have right now is Mark Milley and Lloyd Austin that are going to be in charge of the defense appropriations of money into an active war combat zone with the Russian Federation and the Ukrainian people and Putin's immoral and illegal invasion of Ukraine.
00:34:00.000Have you seen anything that has given you a shot of confidence to say they really can do that?
00:34:12.000I have seen chapter after chapter, moment after moment, and incident after incident of people at the top level of our government that do not have the ability to do complicated things.
00:34:27.000Just because it feels good does not mean it's good foreign policy.
00:34:31.000And trust me, my heart is with the people of Ukraine.