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00:00:04.000Michael Knowles to defend himself against the charge that he's a genocidal maniac and Tracy Beans talks about what we need to do to win going into 2024.
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00:01:43.000And Carrie was right when she said that, you know, this could affect all of Arizona elections moving forward because what the law, you know, so we had the trial, right?
00:01:51.000We went to trial for the first time ever.
00:01:56.000It was sort of ridiculous, the ruling that came down.
00:01:59.000So then they appealed that decision to the higher court.
00:02:02.000And then that court also reaffirmed what they had said in the lower court and added their own flair to it.
00:02:08.000But the problem is that the flair that they added to it makes it so that Arizona election procedure and law in some cases is just completely moot, you know, ruling against basic things.
00:02:21.000For example, Carrie Lake was challenging the procedure they used to verify signatures in the election.
00:02:28.000And the lower court said, oh, you've brought this challenge too late.
00:02:55.000You know, another thing, the chain of custody issues, Charlie, we're absolutely off the chain.
00:03:00.000If there is not chain of custody requirements, why bother with anything at all at that point?
00:03:07.000So what basically happened was they said, Maricopa County, we've got far too many ballots here.
00:03:12.000And there's no way that we could follow our own procedure to count these and catalog them the way we need to before we send them to the accounting center and run back.
00:03:42.000If that's allowed to stand and the Supreme Court of Arizona decides not to take this case, what's the future for chain of custody on ballots in Arizona?
00:03:51.000Specifically, if you're going to continue with this mail-in balloting fiasco that they've got at Dropboxes.
00:03:57.000So those are just a few of the things that are in front of the Supreme Court now, along with two other claims that are federal in nature, which would then allow this case, if necessary, to go to the SCOTUS.
00:04:10.000So, Tracy, this is important because we saw a similar behavioral pattern in Pennsylvania and Michigan and Wisconsin, in particular, Georgia too, but that's a little bit less clear as far as the procedures.
00:04:24.000There were so many other issues that in Georgia, even beyond that.
00:04:27.000But Pennsylvania is the one that comes to mind where there were very specific regulations in the Pennsylvania Constitution and the federal constitution, the U.S. Constitution, about changing election law.
00:04:41.000And what I am learning and what the Democrats are showing is that if you move quick enough and you have enough corrupt people in place and you just keep pushing and get the election certified, it really doesn't matter if you follow the rules.
00:05:05.000You know, they were ballot harvesting when they shouldn't have been.
00:05:08.000They were doing all kinds of things in Pennsylvania that they openly admitted in court filings that they were doing that were contrary to the law.
00:05:19.000I mean, we had in Arizona, in Maricopa County with this election, literally when their expert Clay Perik went in to do his ballot review that he was granted, those ballots that were stuffed at draw three were supposed to be duped, right?
00:05:32.000Because they were a 19-inch image printed on a 20-inch paper, something they told us was absolutely impossible.
00:05:40.000And if they were, they were not held properly with the ballots that they duplicated.
00:05:45.000So there's no way to know what even happened there.
00:05:48.000And to your point, if you push something through the certification, threaten the people that they need to certify an election.
00:05:54.000Otherwise, you'll go to jail, which is what Katie Hobbs did as Secretary of State before the election was certified, then you can do anything you want.
00:06:03.000The Arizona Supreme Court has a chance to actually, you know, nail this down finally and make it happen.
00:06:09.000And, you know, there's legal technicality in there too that's really important.
00:06:13.000Things that they were obfuscating that they, you know, they the lower court just accepted because they seem to err on the side of criminality, apparently.
00:06:22.000But, you know, it's an important case.
00:06:32.000So the best case scenario is if they rule and they say, hey, this was an illegally administered election and maybe you call for a new election.
00:06:38.000I think that's a very unlikely scenario, given the lack of spine from our judges in America.
00:06:45.000But I am not seeing the evidence yet that any of this is fixed going into 2024 at all, especially in Pennsylvania.
00:06:56.000Wisconsin might be the only exception.
00:06:58.000Wisconsin seems that they've made some legitimate changes on ballot drop boxes and outside funding.
00:07:05.000I mean, just another example, Zuckerberg comes in with $400 million and was breaking state law by doing it and nobody cared.
00:07:13.000Pennsylvania changed their election law without going to the legislative branch.
00:07:19.000And so I guess, are we supposed to count on the courts so that we could have a 2024 election that we can trust?
00:07:27.000You know, we've gotten to a place right now where people don't trust the courts, which means there's no law and order.
00:07:33.000You know, when the courts are ruling because they're weak or they don't want the backlash, or clearly there's a fact case here that we can look at and say this is true.
00:07:41.000You know, it's not like we're coming in from left field with nonsense and there's an actual fact pattern here that's clearly visible to anybody with two brain cells and any integrity in their body.
00:07:51.000If they're ruling against things like that, the American people start to get very frustrated and not trust the courts anymore.
00:07:57.000There's been a smattering of cases across the country where judges, some judges are doing the right thing, other judges aren't.
00:08:03.000It's very lopsided and not even killed.
00:08:06.000I don't know what the answer to your question is because you're right.
00:08:10.000And, you know, so I heard in the previous segment you talking about the, you know, taking up their mantle and kind of running their legal schemes that they run to make sure that they win elections.
00:08:29.000That's what the other side does, but I do want to win.
00:08:32.000And if I have to compress all of our voters into one day where they're obviously going to sabotage the process and you can't fit them all into voting centers, and let's just say we go through this again and we got to like, well, you know, we fell short in 24, but at least we didn't vote early.
00:08:54.000And if we have any hope of winning, something needs to change.
00:08:57.000You know, everybody's like, well, we can't move on from 2020 until we fix what happened.
00:09:02.000We can't move on from 2022 until we fix what happened.
00:09:04.000Well, when are we going to fix what happened?
00:09:06.000And I think that's the question that everybody's asking right now.
00:09:09.000The biggest thing is, as frustrated as you get, it's my opinion, you can't just stop voting because then you just hand them what they want.
00:09:16.000There's not even a fight there at all.
00:09:38.000And they said, we're probably still going to do it out of loyalty to the country and we want to set a good example, but we don't believe any of our votes count.
00:09:47.000And Tracy, just 30 seconds remaining, how many millions of people now believe that on the right?
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00:11:48.000Well, basically, the states of Missouri and Louisiana decided they were going to sue the federal government because they said the federal government was stepping in to censor American speech on a myriad of topics from COVID to vaccines to the Hunter Biden laptop to election integrity, all kinds of different stuff.
00:12:04.000They stepped in, they asked the judge if he could file a temporary injunction to stop the government agencies from discussing this stuff any longer with the social media companies like Twitter, Facebook, Google, all of them.
00:12:18.000So, in order to get there to grant that temporary injunction, the judge gave them expedited discovery and deposition power, which is almost unheard of generally.
00:12:28.000But to do it at such a high level of all these government agencies was absolutely bonkers.
00:12:45.000All these people were deposed in this case.
00:12:47.000And today, we're getting the filing finally from the states of Missouri, Louisiana, and various plaintiffs to make the case for that temporary injunction.
00:12:56.000The judges already said they've basically made their case because the discovery they've received has been absolutely off the charts, insane.
00:13:04.000So, remember that disinformation governance board that they tried to spring up?
00:13:08.000Yep, Nina Jankowitz, who's now begging for money.
00:14:02.000They went through lengths to try and stop Jen Saki from being deposed because she stood up at the podium.
00:14:08.000I don't know if you remember this and basically threatened the social media companies with Section 230.
00:14:13.000So at the same time as Twitter is releasing the Twitter files, this case has been ongoing with all of this mountains of information from all the social media companies and their interactions.
00:14:23.000The White House is involved with this.
00:14:24.000The White House is asking Twitter to censor people.
00:14:27.000The White House is asking Facebook to stop people from talking.
00:14:31.000In one weird thing, Charlie, Instagram was implementing new algorithms to stop the vaccine talk from happening on Instagram as per the White House's direction.
00:14:41.000And Flaherty, who's in charge of social media stuff over there and media stuff, reaches out to Instagram and says, Joe Biden isn't picking up any followers.
00:15:28.000I mean, we have weak people in office that are not standing up for their constituents and they're not doing what the will of the people suggests they should do, which is to fight back against this absolutely Orwellian state that we are starting to become, you know, entrenched in here in this country.
00:15:43.000If it doesn't stop now, when is it going to stop?
00:15:46.000You know, they're literally working with the federal government, the breadth of the federal government, from the CDC to CISA to, you know, the State Department, every agency is working to stop Americans from able to be voice their opinions on social media because they don't want that, quote, wrong thing to disrupt their power structure.
00:16:10.000Yeah, and so, I mean, every, this is a huge opportunity.
00:16:13.000Eric Schmidt, who's now the U.S. Senator from Missouri, who was not my first choice in the primary, but whatever, he's actually deserves credit.
00:16:20.000He was the one that began these lawsuits.
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00:18:51.000Charlie, it's great to be with you, though.
00:18:53.000Now that I have been dubbed a genocidal maniac by the liberal media, I would like you to refer to me by my new name, which is Malco.
00:19:01.000Or I will also accept Benito Michelini.
00:19:03.000You know, you and I were texting this morning of what your new name should become now that you are entering that of the despot, the dictators, or that of the third world.
00:19:13.000So, Michael, let's just take pause here because, you know, whenever the cacophony of people I hate start going nuts on Twitter, I immediately know there's more to the story, especially with you because you're a super smart person.
00:19:24.000And I saw the headline and I say, huh, okay.
00:19:52.000If it is false, then for the good of society and especially for the good of the poor people who have fallen prey to this confusion, transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely.
00:20:06.000The whole preposterous ideology at every level.
00:20:11.000Now, let me play the lead up to that, though.
00:20:13.000Now, mind you, Michael is calling for the end of a public pathogen, no different than calling for the end of a virus from public life.
00:20:22.000Immediately, people said, you want people dead and transgender people should be eradicated.
00:20:26.000That is not even close to what Michael believes or what he said, obviously.
00:20:29.000Instead, from a place of compassion, you said these poor people, they're suffering under a mind virus, a delusion.
00:20:35.000Here is your lead up, and then Michael, I'll let you loose.
00:21:20.000And not only did I use the suffix ism, which refers to doctrines and sets of beliefs, but I went even further to explain exactly what I meant by transgenderism when I said it's a preposterous ideology.
00:21:33.000And so I'm not surprised that a lot of people got the impression that I am a genocidal maniac only by reading the headlines in the liberal media, all of which said, I called for the eradication of transgender people, the transgender community, all of this nonsense.
00:21:53.000I don't blame people for falling prey to those headlines.
00:21:57.000It's just that those headlines were fake news.
00:21:59.000And the people I do blame are the news editors there, because I don't think this was a simple mistake.
00:22:07.000I try to choose my words very carefully.
00:22:09.000I actually wrote a whole book called Speechless about how important it is to choose your words very carefully.
00:22:13.000And so I don't think there was any way to listen to that sentence, that one single sentence, and say, okay, for the good of these people, if I'm talking about the good of these people, I'm probably not talking about murdering them.
00:22:25.000When I say transgenderism, and then when I say in public life, not to say in private life, not to say in the recesses of one's own mind, but in public life, and then to say an ideology, a preposterous ideology.
00:22:38.000I don't think that any of these news outlets could have misunderstood what I said.
00:22:41.000I think that they were upset that I said it.
00:22:44.000I think that they were upset that I am not going to go along with the transgender ideology, as unfortunately too many people on the right are.
00:22:52.000There are now many people on the right who are fine with transgenderism.
00:22:55.000They just don't want to trans the kids.
00:22:57.000Or in some cases, they'll say, we don't mind transing the kids.
00:23:52.000And I'm pleased to say, I don't know exactly what went on in those newsrooms.
00:23:56.000I suspect their lawyers at those outlets called the editorial team and said, change this headline now before we get sued rather into the ground.
00:24:06.000So they all changed their headlines immediately.
00:24:08.000A lot of them didn't want to post corrections, though the Daily Beast just posted my favorite correction.
00:24:13.000I guess the lawyers got on the phone with them again and said, guys, you're going to get us sued if you don't do this.
00:24:17.000So the Daily Beast posted a correction which said, we have, editor's note, we have changed the headline of this article to more literally reflect Michael Knowles' words.
00:24:28.000So you've got literally my words instead of what?
00:24:30.000The nonsense that you lied about me saying.
00:24:33.000And so for the news outlets that haven't changed their headlines yet, I would strongly recommend they do it because this is a clear-cut case of lie.
00:24:41.000You don't want to do it because they can't take on the argument.
00:24:42.000You don't want to go up against the Daily Wire.
00:24:49.000So Michael, we experienced something similar on this program.
00:24:52.000We had this amazing young lady, Riley Gaines, who was she was exposed to male genitalia against her will because Thomas is a sociopathic narcissistic freak who can't compete against other men, but he wants to cheat.
00:26:09.000But this is a very serious issue of how these lies get into zeitgeist.
00:26:13.000And I saw it, where people come up to, when I was just taking questions on campus, they actually believe Charlie Kirk wants to lynch trans people because they read it on the internet.
00:26:23.000Well, the reason they do it, Charlie, ironically, is because if they can take a perfectly peaceful, ordinary thing that you've said and lie and say that you are inciting violence, then ironically, that will justify violence against you.
00:26:40.000But you're right, that we have a little bit of a different spirit about this, which is I think if I'm being called nasty things by the liberal press, that's good.
00:26:52.000But if they start to say mean things about you, that's good.
00:26:55.000If they start to twist your words a little bit, that's better.
00:26:58.000When they are outright lying about what you have said, I think that means you're right over the target.
00:27:04.000And the target here on transgenderism is really important because we can't just keep working around the fringes and allow the left to keep pushing us further and further to the left.
00:27:13.000We have to draw a line and say no at some point.
00:27:15.000So what does it look like to eradicate transgenderism from public life?
00:27:21.000People forget that transgenderism as a political issue did not exist in this country until Barack Obama tried to insert it into military policy and some liberals in North Carolina started passing bathroom ordinances.
00:27:37.000And the reason that we have to draw a line here is because I know a lot of conservatives want to now retreat and fight this fight on don't trans the kids, but it's not five-year-olds who are going into the women's bathroom.
00:27:50.000If five-year-olds are going to the women's bathroom, they're doing so with their mother while they're traveling or something.
00:27:54.000It's 50-year-olds that are going into the women's bathroom.
00:27:57.000It's not five-year-olds who are taking women's trophies in college sports.
00:28:00.000It's not five-year-olds who are going in and depriving women of public spaces.
00:28:05.000Either transgenderism is true or it's false.
00:28:08.000If a man really can become a woman, then there's no reason not to trans the kids.
00:28:12.000Actually, it would probably be compassion to trans the kids because you're born that way, right?
00:28:15.000But if transgenderism is false, men really can become a female.
00:28:20.000No, I mean, we have a minute remaining.
00:28:22.000So, in my dialogue with the soon-to-be Mensa members of University of California, Santa Barbara, one of them said, wait, Charlie, and this is why I was so clear because I had a sign that says transgenderism is a delusion, right?
00:28:38.000And I think that word is actually more effective and not as commonly used because that idea of being under a delusion actually has a compassionate tone.
00:28:46.000No one's live under a delusion, right?
00:28:48.000It's actually not compassionate, not caring.
00:28:50.000But somebody said, Well, Charlie, the problem is that if you have a 19-year-old that's competing in female sports, we should have just started the transition earlier.
00:28:58.000And so, their argument to trans the kids is that it actually helps for a whole-of-life approach because, and you're exactly right.
00:29:06.000If something is a lie when someone is nine, it's also something aligned when they're 20, when they're 25.
00:29:12.000I will say, though, from a communication standpoint, it has allowed us to at least get into this topic for people that say, okay, it goes too far with kids.
00:29:19.000They're not willing to say it goes too far with all people because they don't want to be seemed decent and impolite.
00:29:23.000Or, I don't want to tell people how to live.
00:29:25.000And people say, it doesn't affect you.
00:29:52.000So there's no neutrality whatsoever, and we all have standards and norms.
00:29:57.000And this is because politics rests on applied morality, which rests on a broader, more abstract morality, which rests on epistemology and anthropology and ontology and ultimately theology.
00:30:08.000And so the part that we're focusing in right now on is anthropology.
00:30:54.000And this is something that should just be plastered everywhere in the story, needed to be told and repeated and studied by every wannabe Republican change maker.
00:31:09.000He did our event at our Women's Summit, which was hilarious in front of 2,000 women talking about what a woman was.
00:31:15.000But then Matt Welch came out with an explosive piece of journalism, more journalism than CNN and these other maniacs have done about how Vanderbilt was profiting in extraordinary ways off of medical mutilation surgery.
00:31:28.000Tucker Carlson, to his great credit, platformed this for 20 minutes at the opening of one of his programs and started a total fire, basically, in Tennessee, especially amongst the ruling class who sat on the board of Vanderbilt.
00:31:41.000But, Michael, what's so interesting, though, is now this is how the Overton window is supposed to work, because this then went from something that, okay, we want to do something about the trans thing, but as of a couple days ago, Tennessee has now signed a piece of legislation, Governor Bill Lee, where you guys are headquartered, that no longer allows the medical mutilation of minors.
00:32:14.000And this is why the law is so important here.
00:32:17.000And it's why it's so important that we draw a hard line in the sand on transgenderism.
00:32:21.000When we say that we're concerned about the poor people who are laboring under this delusion, it's because if you have a disorder in which you think you're the opposite sex, it's a terribly unpleasant way of life, and it can lead you to all sorts of terrible things like stress and anxiety and suicide and self-mutilation and a whole host of other problems.
00:32:38.000So it would be good if we could fix that problem or at least attempt to treat it.
00:32:43.000But what happens is that the law is a teacher.
00:32:46.000And so when the law did not recognize that.
00:32:48.000That's literally what Torah means, by the way.
00:32:53.000So when the law did not accept the idea of transgenderism until about 2015, 2016, even a little bit later, you saw this problem relatively contained.
00:33:05.000Now that the law is encouraging this, in some cases, if you disagree with transgenderism, you're going to lose your job.
00:33:11.000You can face all sorts of consequences.
00:33:13.000Well, ever since that happened, what do you know?
00:33:16.000More and more people are identifying as transgender.
00:33:19.000There was one poll that came out a little while ago that showed that more than one in five Zoomers identify as LGBT.
00:33:26.000So either Alex Jones is right and there's something in the water that's turning all the freaking Zoomers gay, or there's a social aspect to this, and that social aspect is encouraged by the incentives and disincentives.
00:33:37.000So it's important to take it on in the government.
00:33:47.000And so here's Daily Wire, a growing media company headquartered in Tennessee, that has more effectively been able to get legislation from concept to policy done than all these other waste-of-time lobbying groups.
00:34:01.000And by the way, now other states are following.
00:34:03.000Mississippi looks like they're going to follow.
00:34:05.000There's other states that are going to follow it, the same sort of pattern.
00:34:07.000We're watching all these different states, but it started with a movie.
00:34:32.000Then it's the people who listen to it.
00:34:35.000And then the people listen and they call their congressmen and they call their representatives and you see responsive government.
00:34:40.000So huge kudos to Governor Lee, huge kudos to the Republicans in the Tennessee legislature because what they're doing is they're representing the desires of the people and they're restoring a little bit of sanity, even as much as the rest of the country goes off the rails.
00:34:55.000So here's what's important, everybody, as we kind of put a little bit of a bow on this.
00:34:59.000People say, how do we get our country back and all this?
00:35:01.000You need young, articulate, entrepreneurial truth tellers that are empowered to push the status quo, to push tired old dogma, and you're going to start to see legislative wins and courage happen because of it.
00:35:13.000I've said this before, the media hates when I say this.
00:35:15.000Politicians are only reading off the script that we give them.
00:35:18.000And the script is largely made sense of by articulate podcasters or radio show hosts, Tucker Carlson, Michael Knowles, Candace Owens, Shapiro Walsh.
00:35:29.000And all of a sudden, now Tennessee has accomplished something that would have been a pipe dream a couple years ago.
00:35:34.000We went from a conservative movement that was afraid to do bathroom bills in Indiana, North Carolina, to now banning the meta-commutilation of children.