The Charlie Kirk Show - 1984 on Steroids with Genocidal Maniac Michael Knowles and Tracy Beanz

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Michael Knowles and Tracy Beans join us.

00:00:04.000 Michael Knowles to defend himself against the charge that he's a genocidal maniac and Tracy Beans talks about what we need to do to win going into 2024.

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00:01:11.000 Joining us now is Tracy Beans.

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00:01:24.000 Tracy, welcome to the program.

00:01:25.000 Hey, thanks for having me.

00:01:26.000 Good to be here. 1.00

00:01:27.000 So, Tracy, we just had Carrie Lake on the program. 0.97

00:01:30.000 You did a great job of researching the Carrie Lake legal challenge in the Arizona Supreme Court case. 0.96

00:01:38.000 Just kind of walk our audience through that as we begin.

00:01:41.000 Sure, it's something.

00:01:43.000 And Carrie was right when she said that, you know, this could affect all of Arizona elections moving forward because what the law, you know, so we had the trial, right?

00:01:51.000 We went to trial for the first time ever.

00:01:53.000 We saw that trial.

00:01:54.000 Everybody watched it. 0.88

00:01:56.000 It was sort of ridiculous, the ruling that came down.

00:01:59.000 So then they appealed that decision to the higher court.

00:02:02.000 And then that court also reaffirmed what they had said in the lower court and added their own flair to it.

00:02:08.000 But the problem is that the flair that they added to it makes it so that Arizona election procedure and law in some cases is just completely moot, you know, ruling against basic things.

00:02:21.000 For example, Carrie Lake was challenging the procedure they used to verify signatures in the election.

00:02:28.000 And the lower court said, oh, you've brought this challenge too late.

00:02:31.000 It's something called latches.

00:02:32.000 You know, when you bring it, they say that you brought it too late, you brought it too early.

00:02:35.000 This is the standing kind of juggle we do in every single election case.

00:02:39.000 Well, if she were challenging the procedure's validity and how they implemented it, then yeah, it would have been too late.

00:02:46.000 But that's not what she was challenging.

00:02:47.000 She was challenging whether or not they followed the procedure.

00:02:51.000 And they didn't.

00:02:52.000 They didn't follow the procedure.

00:02:53.000 So that was kind of tossed aside.

00:02:55.000 You know, another thing, the chain of custody issues, Charlie, we're absolutely off the chain.

00:03:00.000 If there is not chain of custody requirements, why bother with anything at all at that point?

00:03:07.000 So what basically happened was they said, Maricopa County, we've got far too many ballots here.

00:03:12.000 And there's no way that we could follow our own procedure to count these and catalog them the way we need to before we send them to the accounting center and run back.

00:03:20.000 So they scan the ballots there.

00:03:22.000 They do the signature stuff there, all kinds of stuff.

00:03:24.000 So we're just not going to do that.

00:03:26.000 And we're going to send them along to run back anyway.

00:03:28.000 So there's a point of contact from one place to another.

00:03:31.000 That's not, you could insert anything into those ballot stacks at that point, and no one wouldn't be the wiser.

00:03:36.000 And the higher appeals court said that's okay.

00:03:39.000 They were overwhelmed.

00:03:41.000 They get the benefit of the doubt.

00:03:42.000 If that's allowed to stand and the Supreme Court of Arizona decides not to take this case, what's the future for chain of custody on ballots in Arizona?

00:03:51.000 Specifically, if you're going to continue with this mail-in balloting fiasco that they've got at Dropboxes.

00:03:57.000 So those are just a few of the things that are in front of the Supreme Court now, along with two other claims that are federal in nature, which would then allow this case, if necessary, to go to the SCOTUS.

00:04:10.000 So, Tracy, this is important because we saw a similar behavioral pattern in Pennsylvania and Michigan and Wisconsin, in particular, Georgia too, but that's a little bit less clear as far as the procedures.

00:04:24.000 There were so many other issues that in Georgia, even beyond that.

00:04:27.000 But Pennsylvania is the one that comes to mind where there were very specific regulations in the Pennsylvania Constitution and the federal constitution, the U.S. Constitution, about changing election law.

00:04:41.000 And what I am learning and what the Democrats are showing is that if you move quick enough and you have enough corrupt people in place and you just keep pushing and get the election certified, it really doesn't matter if you follow the rules.

00:05:00.000 You're 100% correct.

00:05:01.000 Pennsylvania was an absolute nightmare.

00:05:04.000 I covered it back then.

00:05:05.000 You know, they were ballot harvesting when they shouldn't have been.

00:05:08.000 They were doing all kinds of things in Pennsylvania that they openly admitted in court filings that they were doing that were contrary to the law.

00:05:18.000 So that's exactly right.

00:05:19.000 I mean, we had in Arizona, in Maricopa County with this election, literally when their expert Clay Perik went in to do his ballot review that he was granted, those ballots that were stuffed at draw three were supposed to be duped, right?

00:05:32.000 Because they were a 19-inch image printed on a 20-inch paper, something they told us was absolutely impossible.

00:05:39.000 They were not.

00:05:40.000 And if they were, they were not held properly with the ballots that they duplicated.

00:05:45.000 So there's no way to know what even happened there.

00:05:48.000 And to your point, if you push something through the certification, threaten the people that they need to certify an election.

00:05:54.000 Otherwise, you'll go to jail, which is what Katie Hobbs did as Secretary of State before the election was certified, then you can do anything you want.

00:06:03.000 The Arizona Supreme Court has a chance to actually, you know, nail this down finally and make it happen.

00:06:09.000 And, you know, there's legal technicality in there too that's really important.

00:06:13.000 Things that they were obfuscating that they, you know, they the lower court just accepted because they seem to err on the side of criminality, apparently.

00:06:22.000 But, you know, it's an important case.

00:06:23.000 It's really important.

00:06:25.000 So then I suppose the question is, and this is what's so interesting about going through the courts.

00:06:25.000 Yeah.

00:06:32.000 So the best case scenario is if they rule and they say, hey, this was an illegally administered election and maybe you call for a new election.

00:06:38.000 I think that's a very unlikely scenario, given the lack of spine from our judges in America.

00:06:45.000 But I am not seeing the evidence yet that any of this is fixed going into 2024 at all, especially in Pennsylvania.

00:06:56.000 Wisconsin might be the only exception.

00:06:58.000 Wisconsin seems that they've made some legitimate changes on ballot drop boxes and outside funding.

00:07:05.000 I mean, just another example, Zuckerberg comes in with $400 million and was breaking state law by doing it and nobody cared.

00:07:13.000 Pennsylvania changed their election law without going to the legislative branch.

00:07:17.000 They just did it unilaterally.

00:07:19.000 And so I guess, are we supposed to count on the courts so that we could have a 2024 election that we can trust?

00:07:27.000 You know, we've gotten to a place right now where people don't trust the courts, which means there's no law and order.

00:07:33.000 You know, when the courts are ruling because they're weak or they don't want the backlash, or clearly there's a fact case here that we can look at and say this is true.

00:07:41.000 You know, it's not like we're coming in from left field with nonsense and there's an actual fact pattern here that's clearly visible to anybody with two brain cells and any integrity in their body.

00:07:51.000 If they're ruling against things like that, the American people start to get very frustrated and not trust the courts anymore.

00:07:57.000 There's been a smattering of cases across the country where judges, some judges are doing the right thing, other judges aren't.

00:08:03.000 It's very lopsided and not even killed.

00:08:06.000 I don't know what the answer to your question is because you're right.

00:08:10.000 And, you know, so I heard in the previous segment you talking about the, you know, taking up their mantle and kind of running their legal schemes that they run to make sure that they win elections.

00:08:20.000 I'm not necessarily opposed to that.

00:08:22.000 We need to play the game.

00:08:22.000 I want to win.

00:08:24.000 My, I say this often, my political philosophy is to win.

00:08:28.000 Okay.

00:08:28.000 I don't want to cheat.

00:08:29.000 That's what the other side does, but I do want to win.

00:08:32.000 And if I have to compress all of our voters into one day where they're obviously going to sabotage the process and you can't fit them all into voting centers, and let's just say we go through this again and we got to like, well, you know, we fell short in 24, but at least we didn't vote early.

00:08:47.000 Like, that's silly.

00:08:48.000 I'm not going to put up with that. 0.81

00:08:50.000 And I want to win.

00:08:53.000 We all want to win.

00:08:54.000 And if we have any hope of winning, something needs to change.

00:08:57.000 You know, everybody's like, well, we can't move on from 2020 until we fix what happened.

00:09:02.000 We can't move on from 2022 until we fix what happened.

00:09:04.000 Well, when are we going to fix what happened?

00:09:06.000 And I think that's the question that everybody's asking right now.

00:09:09.000 The biggest thing is, as frustrated as you get, it's my opinion, you can't just stop voting because then you just hand them what they want.

00:09:16.000 There's not even a fight there at all.

00:09:17.000 So I mean, whatever we need to do.

00:09:20.000 I had a really interesting roundtable in Boise, Idaho last on Friday, and they're such amazing patriots.

00:09:28.000 And some of them were very upset.

00:09:30.000 They didn't go as far to say they weren't voting.

00:09:32.000 Two people said, Charlie, I don't know a good reason to vote anymore.

00:09:35.000 They said, I really don't.

00:09:36.000 I think it's a waste of time.

00:09:37.000 I don't trust the system.

00:09:38.000 And they said, we're probably still going to do it out of loyalty to the country and we want to set a good example, but we don't believe any of our votes count.

00:09:47.000 And Tracy, just 30 seconds remaining, how many millions of people now believe that on the right?

00:09:51.000 Are we disenfranchising ourselves?

00:09:54.000 We're disenfranchised, but it's not because of ourselves.

00:09:58.000 I think it's the system.

00:09:59.000 We've witnessed some of the most absolutely terrible nonsense go on.

00:10:03.000 I agree.

00:10:04.000 From the FBI down to the vote, down to the DOJ.

00:10:07.000 I mean, the whole country is basically a mess right now.

00:10:09.000 So, no, we're not disenfranchising ourselves, but it would be a lie to pretend that people aren't rightfully frustrated.

00:10:16.000 If we don't show up, we are disenfranchising ourselves.

00:10:19.000 I think that's fair to say.

00:10:20.000 If we don't vote, then we have basically given, we've given up.

00:10:24.000 And I think it's the wrong choice.

00:10:26.000 I'm not saying you have to trust the system, but don't necessarily just walk away from it.

00:10:30.000 That doesn't help anybody.

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00:11:36.000 Tracy, you have an article here.

00:11:37.000 Bombshell court order outlines proven government big tech censorship.

00:11:41.000 Tell us about it.

00:11:42.000 Yes, this is Missouri versus Biden, one of the biggest cases that's going on right now in the country.

00:11:47.000 It is so huge.

00:11:48.000 Well, basically, the states of Missouri and Louisiana decided they were going to sue the federal government because they said the federal government was stepping in to censor American speech on a myriad of topics from COVID to vaccines to the Hunter Biden laptop to election integrity, all kinds of different stuff.

00:12:04.000 They stepped in, they asked the judge if he could file a temporary injunction to stop the government agencies from discussing this stuff any longer with the social media companies like Twitter, Facebook, Google, all of them.

00:12:18.000 So, in order to get there to grant that temporary injunction, the judge gave them expedited discovery and deposition power, which is almost unheard of generally.

00:12:28.000 But to do it at such a high level of all these government agencies was absolutely bonkers.

00:12:33.000 They did it.

00:12:34.000 They granted it.

00:12:35.000 The government kicked and screamed and fought.

00:12:37.000 But ultimately, the heads of CISA, the CDC, Anthony Fauci was deposed.

00:12:43.000 Elvis Chan from the FBI was deposed.

00:12:45.000 All these people were deposed in this case.

00:12:47.000 And today, we're getting the filing finally from the states of Missouri, Louisiana, and various plaintiffs to make the case for that temporary injunction.

00:12:56.000 The judges already said they've basically made their case because the discovery they've received has been absolutely off the charts, insane.

00:13:04.000 So, remember that disinformation governance board that they tried to spring up? 1.00

00:13:08.000 Yep, Nina Jankowitz, who's now begging for money. 1.00

00:13:10.000 Yeah, that's right. 1.00

00:13:11.000 Yes, she is to sue what, Fox News. 0.97

00:13:11.000 Yes. 0.97

00:13:14.000 Is that what she's doing? 0.99

00:13:15.000 100,000 bucks. 1.00

00:13:16.000 Yeah.

00:13:17.000 So she, that, that disinformation governance board was actually just a cover for what they're already doing at CISA.

00:13:24.000 CISA declared, they learned through this lawsuit discovery, your thoughts, cognitive infrastructure.

00:13:31.000 So CISA has declared that your thoughts, the things you type on social media and what you think, are part of their infrastructure.

00:13:38.000 Therefore, they can regulate those things as they would any other piece of critical infrastructure that they are in charge of.

00:13:46.000 So that's 1984 on steroids.

00:13:48.000 And, you know, the judge is not having it in this case.

00:13:51.000 He's not.

00:13:53.000 He's not having the government arguments.

00:13:53.000 He's not having it.

00:13:55.000 He's not having the, you know, there's, we're not forcing them arguments.

00:13:59.000 They're clearly forcing them.

00:14:00.000 They're clearly threatening them.

00:14:02.000 They went through lengths to try and stop Jen Saki from being deposed because she stood up at the podium.

00:14:08.000 I don't know if you remember this and basically threatened the social media companies with Section 230.

00:14:13.000 So at the same time as Twitter is releasing the Twitter files, this case has been ongoing with all of this mountains of information from all the social media companies and their interactions.

00:14:23.000 The White House is involved with this.

00:14:24.000 The White House is asking Twitter to censor people.

00:14:27.000 The White House is asking Facebook to stop people from talking.

00:14:31.000 In one weird thing, Charlie, Instagram was implementing new algorithms to stop the vaccine talk from happening on Instagram as per the White House's direction.

00:14:41.000 And Flaherty, who's in charge of social media stuff over there and media stuff, reaches out to Instagram and says, Joe Biden isn't picking up any followers.

00:14:48.000 What's going on?

00:14:49.000 Well, it turns out he was swept up in the censorship algorithm that they had forced Instagram to implement.

00:14:55.000 So now, I just want to just zero in on this because this is a theme that we're going to build out on tomorrow's program.

00:15:01.000 We're learning all this thanks to the Missouri Attorney General's office suing.

00:15:05.000 Is that correct?

00:15:06.000 And why is it that every red state is not engaging in legislative blitzkrieg against the regime?

00:15:12.000 Sue at every crack, every single place.

00:15:15.000 You got to do amicus briefs.

00:15:16.000 You got to do whatever.

00:15:17.000 I mean, we're only learning this because of lawfare, correct?

00:15:21.000 Yes.

00:15:21.000 And it's because we have weak Republicans in office all over the country.

00:15:25.000 That's correct.

00:15:26.000 They're not even Republicans.

00:15:27.000 Keep going.

00:15:28.000 I mean, we have weak people in office that are not standing up for their constituents and they're not doing what the will of the people suggests they should do, which is to fight back against this absolutely Orwellian state that we are starting to become, you know, entrenched in here in this country.

00:15:28.000 Yep.

00:15:28.000 Yeah.

00:15:43.000 If it doesn't stop now, when is it going to stop?

00:15:46.000 You know, they're literally working with the federal government, the breadth of the federal government, from the CDC to CISA to, you know, the State Department, every agency is working to stop Americans from able to be voice their opinions on social media because they don't want that, quote, wrong thing to disrupt their power structure.

00:16:06.000 That's what it is.

00:16:07.000 Bad ideas don't rise to the top.

00:16:09.000 They don't.

00:16:10.000 Yeah, and so, I mean, every, this is a huge opportunity.

00:16:13.000 Eric Schmidt, who's now the U.S. Senator from Missouri, who was not my first choice in the primary, but whatever, he's actually deserves credit.

00:16:20.000 He was the one that began these lawsuits.

00:16:22.000 He started them.

00:16:23.000 Why is it that every attorney general across the country in a red state is not just relentlessly suing the CDC, the FDA, Pfizer, Moderna.

00:16:31.000 Find the complaint, get it done.

00:16:33.000 This is what the left does for quite some time.

00:16:35.000 And every so often, all of a sudden, you're going to get traction.

00:16:38.000 You're going to learn a lot through the process of discovery.

00:16:42.000 It's just so obvious.

00:16:43.000 And Missouri deserves credit for revealing all of this.

00:16:47.000 It's just so incredible.

00:16:48.000 And the media is ignoring it.

00:16:50.000 Tracy, we're out of time.

00:16:51.000 Thank you so much.

00:16:52.000 Thanks so much, Charlie.

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00:18:41.000 Joining us now is Genocidal Maniac, Catholic thinker, somewhat of a theologian, and podcaster, Michael Knowles.

00:18:49.000 Michael, welcome to the program.

00:18:51.000 Charlie, it's great to be with you, though.

00:18:53.000 Now that I have been dubbed a genocidal maniac by the liberal media, I would like you to refer to me by my new name, which is Malco.

00:19:01.000 Or I will also accept Benito Michelini.

00:19:03.000 You know, you and I were texting this morning of what your new name should become now that you are entering that of the despot, the dictators, or that of the third world.

00:19:13.000 So, Michael, let's just take pause here because, you know, whenever the cacophony of people I hate start going nuts on Twitter, I immediately know there's more to the story, especially with you because you're a super smart person.

00:19:24.000 And I saw the headline and I say, huh, okay.

00:19:26.000 So I watched the video.

00:19:28.000 Nothing wrong with what you said.

00:19:30.000 Let me say that again.

00:19:30.000 Nothing wrong with what you said.

00:19:32.000 There might be something wrong if you didn't actually listen to the video and you imply something you didn't say.

00:19:36.000 I defended you on Twitter.

00:19:38.000 And then I think finally people started to get the courage to step up.

00:19:41.000 Let's listen to you in your own words.

00:19:44.000 I wish we didn't have two pieces of tape here, but let's play cut eight because the buildup is actually really important.

00:19:49.000 But let's start with cut eight and then we'll go to cut seven.

00:19:51.000 Play cut eight.

00:19:52.000 If it is false, then for the good of society and especially for the good of the poor people who have fallen prey to this confusion, transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely. 0.96

00:20:06.000 The whole preposterous ideology at every level.

00:20:11.000 Now, let me play the lead up to that, though.

00:20:13.000 Now, mind you, Michael is calling for the end of a public pathogen, no different than calling for the end of a virus from public life. 0.99

00:20:22.000 Immediately, people said, you want people dead and transgender people should be eradicated. 0.95

00:20:26.000 That is not even close to what Michael believes or what he said, obviously. 0.99

00:20:29.000 Instead, from a place of compassion, you said these poor people, they're suffering under a mind virus, a delusion.

00:20:35.000 Here is your lead up, and then Michael, I'll let you loose.

00:20:37.000 Play cut seven.

00:20:38.000 There can be no middle way in dealing with transgenderism. 1.00

00:20:42.000 It is all or nothing.

00:20:45.000 If transgenderism is true, if men really can become women, then it's true for everybody of all ages.

00:20:52.000 If transgenderism is false, as it is, if men really can't become women, as they cannot, then it's false for everybody too. 0.84

00:21:02.000 And if it's false, then we should not indulge it.

00:21:06.000 Especially since that indulgence requires taking away the rights and customs of so many people.

00:21:13.000 Bingo.

00:21:13.000 Michael, ism.

00:21:15.000 You said transgenderism, which is an ideology.

00:21:18.000 The floor is yours.

00:21:20.000 And not only did I use the suffix ism, which refers to doctrines and sets of beliefs, but I went even further to explain exactly what I meant by transgenderism when I said it's a preposterous ideology. 0.99

00:21:33.000 And so I'm not surprised that a lot of people got the impression that I am a genocidal maniac only by reading the headlines in the liberal media, all of which said, I called for the eradication of transgender people, the transgender community, all of this nonsense. 0.63

00:21:53.000 I don't blame people for falling prey to those headlines. 0.88

00:21:57.000 It's just that those headlines were fake news.

00:21:59.000 And the people I do blame are the news editors there, because I don't think this was a simple mistake.

00:22:04.000 I don't think they just misheard me.

00:22:06.000 I completely.

00:22:07.000 I try to choose my words very carefully.

00:22:09.000 I actually wrote a whole book called Speechless about how important it is to choose your words very carefully.

00:22:13.000 And so I don't think there was any way to listen to that sentence, that one single sentence, and say, okay, for the good of these people, if I'm talking about the good of these people, I'm probably not talking about murdering them.

00:22:25.000 When I say transgenderism, and then when I say in public life, not to say in private life, not to say in the recesses of one's own mind, but in public life, and then to say an ideology, a preposterous ideology. 1.00

00:22:38.000 I don't think that any of these news outlets could have misunderstood what I said.

00:22:41.000 I think that they were upset that I said it.

00:22:44.000 I think that they were upset that I am not going to go along with the transgender ideology, as unfortunately too many people on the right are.

00:22:52.000 There are now many people on the right who are fine with transgenderism.

00:22:55.000 They just don't want to trans the kids. 1.00

00:22:57.000 Or in some cases, they'll say, we don't mind transing the kids.

00:23:00.000 Just wait until eight.

00:23:01.000 You know, just wait until a certain age and then in fourth grade.

00:23:04.000 Age of enlightenment, nine.

00:23:06.000 That's right.

00:23:07.000 And so I think that these news editors intentionally lied about me.

00:23:13.000 I think that they demonstrated actual malice and they clearly libeled me.

00:23:18.000 And I was so pleased to thank you, Charlie, for coming out.

00:23:20.000 You defended me right away.

00:23:21.000 And there were a number of other people, too.

00:23:23.000 Senator Mike Lee, who is a very well-known constitutional lawyer and Supreme Court litigator and obviously U.S. Senator.

00:23:30.000 He looked at those headlines and he said, this is libel.

00:23:33.000 They are libeling you.

00:23:34.000 Another friend of mine, Bivek Ramaswamy, who's a presidential candidate now, graduate of Yale Law School, he looked at that.

00:23:39.000 He said, this looks like they have actual malice.

00:23:41.000 So I immediately demanded that these news outlets, Daily Beast, Huffington Post, Rolling Stone, I said, change the headlines right now.

00:23:50.000 You are defaming me.

00:23:51.000 I demand a retraction.

00:23:52.000 And I'm pleased to say, I don't know exactly what went on in those newsrooms.

00:23:56.000 I suspect their lawyers at those outlets called the editorial team and said, change this headline now before we get sued rather into the ground.

00:24:06.000 So they all changed their headlines immediately.

00:24:08.000 A lot of them didn't want to post corrections, though the Daily Beast just posted my favorite correction.

00:24:13.000 I guess the lawyers got on the phone with them again and said, guys, you're going to get us sued if you don't do this.

00:24:17.000 So the Daily Beast posted a correction which said, we have, editor's note, we have changed the headline of this article to more literally reflect Michael Knowles' words.

00:24:28.000 So you've got literally my words instead of what?

00:24:30.000 The nonsense that you lied about me saying.

00:24:33.000 And so for the news outlets that haven't changed their headlines yet, I would strongly recommend they do it because this is a clear-cut case of lie.

00:24:41.000 You don't want to do it because they can't take on the argument.

00:24:42.000 You don't want to go up against the Daily Wire.

00:24:44.000 That does not end well.

00:24:45.000 They actually have a very good track record in the courts.

00:24:48.000 So let me ask you, though.

00:24:49.000 So Michael, we experienced something similar on this program. 0.79

00:24:52.000 We had this amazing young lady, Riley Gaines, who was she was exposed to male genitalia against her will because Thomas is a sociopathic narcissistic freak who can't compete against other men, but he wants to cheat. 0.99

00:25:08.000 He's a cheater. 0.98

00:25:09.000 And so he goes into a locker room and exposes himself. 0.66

00:25:12.000 I say, quote, in the 50s or 60s, men would not have put up with this and we should deal with it the way we used to deal with it.

00:25:18.000 Immediately, the other side, they say that I call for lynching.

00:25:23.000 I call for all this.

00:25:24.000 No, no, no.

00:25:25.000 But I was very clear.

00:25:26.000 In the 50s or 60s, the local DAs and prosecutors would have come in and arrested him.

00:25:31.000 That's what I meant in the 50s or 60s.

00:25:34.000 And they say, oh, Charlie's calling for violence against.

00:25:36.000 And by the way, even re-emphasized I wasn't. 0.94

00:25:39.000 The Daily Cost platformed a community post member saying Charlie Kirk calls for lynching of trans people.

00:25:45.000 I was just at it can't, I never even would remotely think or get close to that.

00:25:50.000 And I was just on campus, University of California Santa Barbara, and I had three people come up.

00:25:54.000 They said, Charlie, why do you want to lynch trans people?

00:25:57.000 I said, well, where do you get that from?

00:25:58.000 They said, you said it on your show.

00:26:00.000 I said, no, I did not.

00:26:02.000 And so, but this, you know, Michael, you and I, thankfully, we have a different spirit of how to fight back and counter punch.

00:26:08.000 We lean in.

00:26:09.000 But this is a very serious issue of how these lies get into zeitgeist.

00:26:13.000 And I saw it, where people come up to, when I was just taking questions on campus, they actually believe Charlie Kirk wants to lynch trans people because they read it on the internet.

00:26:23.000 Well, the reason they do it, Charlie, ironically, is because if they can take a perfectly peaceful, ordinary thing that you've said and lie and say that you are inciting violence, then ironically, that will justify violence against you.

00:26:38.000 And so that's why they keep doing it.

00:26:40.000 But you're right, that we have a little bit of a different spirit about this, which is I think if I'm being called nasty things by the liberal press, that's good.

00:26:48.000 It means I'm doing something right.

00:26:49.000 I had not been called genocidal before.

00:26:51.000 That's a new one.

00:26:52.000 But if they start to say mean things about you, that's good.

00:26:55.000 If they start to twist your words a little bit, that's better.

00:26:58.000 When they are outright lying about what you have said, I think that means you're right over the target.

00:27:04.000 And the target here on transgenderism is really important because we can't just keep working around the fringes and allow the left to keep pushing us further and further to the left.

00:27:13.000 We have to draw a line and say no at some point.

00:27:15.000 So what does it look like to eradicate transgenderism from public life?

00:27:19.000 It looks a lot like 2014.

00:27:21.000 People forget that transgenderism as a political issue did not exist in this country until Barack Obama tried to insert it into military policy and some liberals in North Carolina started passing bathroom ordinances.

00:27:34.000 This was 2015, 2016.

00:27:37.000 And the reason that we have to draw a line here is because I know a lot of conservatives want to now retreat and fight this fight on don't trans the kids, but it's not five-year-olds who are going into the women's bathroom.

00:27:50.000 If five-year-olds are going to the women's bathroom, they're doing so with their mother while they're traveling or something. 0.86

00:27:54.000 It's 50-year-olds that are going into the women's bathroom. 0.89

00:27:57.000 It's not five-year-olds who are taking women's trophies in college sports.

00:28:00.000 It's not five-year-olds who are going in and depriving women of public spaces.

00:28:05.000 Either transgenderism is true or it's false. 0.99

00:28:08.000 If a man really can become a woman, then there's no reason not to trans the kids. 0.99

00:28:12.000 Actually, it would probably be compassion to trans the kids because you're born that way, right? 1.00

00:28:15.000 But if transgenderism is false, men really can become a female. 0.91

00:28:18.000 That can't be exactly right, Michael.

00:28:20.000 No, I mean, we have a minute remaining.

00:28:22.000 So, in my dialogue with the soon-to-be Mensa members of University of California, Santa Barbara, one of them said, wait, Charlie, and this is why I was so clear because I had a sign that says transgenderism is a delusion, right? 1.00

00:28:35.000 Mind you, ism.

00:28:37.000 It is a delusion.

00:28:38.000 And I think that word is actually more effective and not as commonly used because that idea of being under a delusion actually has a compassionate tone.

00:28:46.000 It's not going to break you.

00:28:46.000 No one's live under a delusion, right?

00:28:48.000 It's actually not compassionate, not caring.

00:28:50.000 But somebody said, Well, Charlie, the problem is that if you have a 19-year-old that's competing in female sports, we should have just started the transition earlier.

00:28:58.000 And so, their argument to trans the kids is that it actually helps for a whole-of-life approach because, and you're exactly right.

00:29:06.000 If something is a lie when someone is nine, it's also something aligned when they're 20, when they're 25.

00:29:12.000 I will say, though, from a communication standpoint, it has allowed us to at least get into this topic for people that say, okay, it goes too far with kids.

00:29:19.000 They're not willing to say it goes too far with all people because they don't want to be seemed decent and impolite.

00:29:23.000 Or, I don't want to tell people how to live.

00:29:25.000 And people say, it doesn't affect you.

00:29:27.000 Why do you care?

00:29:28.000 Yeah, okay.

00:29:29.000 Hear that all the time.

00:29:29.000 Michael Knowles, who is a great man and being labeled by the media, literally, Daily Beast article said, genocidal maniac.

00:29:39.000 I hope you sue and you sue him to high heaven, man, because you got a case here.

00:29:42.000 What do you say to the critique that you're just telling people what to do with their lives?

00:29:46.000 So we're all telling people what to do with our lives.

00:29:51.000 That's called self-government.

00:29:52.000 So there's no neutrality whatsoever, and we all have standards and norms.

00:29:57.000 And this is because politics rests on applied morality, which rests on a broader, more abstract morality, which rests on epistemology and anthropology and ontology and ultimately theology.

00:30:08.000 And so the part that we're focusing in right now on is anthropology.

00:30:12.000 And it's what is human nature?

00:30:15.000 Are men and women different and distinct and complementary?

00:30:17.000 Or are they basically the same and one can become the other one?

00:30:21.000 We have to come to an answer on that question.

00:30:24.000 You can't live in a society where nobody is communicating and nobody agrees on anything.

00:30:29.000 That's just anarchy.

00:30:30.000 And so community and society breaks down. 1.00

00:30:33.000 You have to come to an answer just to know who's allowed to use the women's bathroom. 0.63

00:30:37.000 So the question is not, are we going to impose one view or another view?

00:30:41.000 The question then becomes, what is true?

00:30:44.000 And once we come to an answer about that, we should pursue truth.

00:30:48.000 You know, there's a question we get a lot, Charlie, how do we change things?

00:30:51.000 We've talked about the states.

00:30:52.000 We've talked about the states.

00:30:54.000 And this is something that should just be plastered everywhere in the story, needed to be told and repeated and studied by every wannabe Republican change maker.

00:31:03.000 Okay.

00:31:04.000 So Matt Walsh comes out with the movie, What is a Woman?

00:31:07.000 Brilliant film.

00:31:08.000 I've bragged on it.

00:31:09.000 He did our event at our Women's Summit, which was hilarious in front of 2,000 women talking about what a woman was.

00:31:15.000 But then Matt Welch came out with an explosive piece of journalism, more journalism than CNN and these other maniacs have done about how Vanderbilt was profiting in extraordinary ways off of medical mutilation surgery.

00:31:28.000 Tucker Carlson, to his great credit, platformed this for 20 minutes at the opening of one of his programs and started a total fire, basically, in Tennessee, especially amongst the ruling class who sat on the board of Vanderbilt.

00:31:41.000 But, Michael, what's so interesting, though, is now this is how the Overton window is supposed to work, because this then went from something that, okay, we want to do something about the trans thing, but as of a couple days ago, Tennessee has now signed a piece of legislation, Governor Bill Lee, where you guys are headquartered, that no longer allows the medical mutilation of minors.

00:32:02.000 Am I understanding that correctly?

00:32:05.000 That's right.

00:32:06.000 And so it shows you the truth of that old maxim that politics is downstream of culture.

00:32:11.000 But it shows you the inverse as well.

00:32:14.000 And this is why the law is so important here.

00:32:17.000 And it's why it's so important that we draw a hard line in the sand on transgenderism. 1.00

00:32:21.000 When we say that we're concerned about the poor people who are laboring under this delusion, it's because if you have a disorder in which you think you're the opposite sex, it's a terribly unpleasant way of life, and it can lead you to all sorts of terrible things like stress and anxiety and suicide and self-mutilation and a whole host of other problems.

00:32:38.000 So it would be good if we could fix that problem or at least attempt to treat it.

00:32:43.000 But what happens is that the law is a teacher.

00:32:46.000 And so when the law did not recognize that.

00:32:48.000 That's literally what Torah means, by the way.

00:32:50.000 Teacher.

00:32:51.000 Continue.

00:32:51.000 It's interesting.

00:32:52.000 That's right.

00:32:52.000 That's what I mean.

00:32:53.000 So when the law did not accept the idea of transgenderism until about 2015, 2016, even a little bit later, you saw this problem relatively contained.

00:33:05.000 Now that the law is encouraging this, in some cases, if you disagree with transgenderism, you're going to lose your job.

00:33:10.000 You can be kicked out of school.

00:33:11.000 You can face all sorts of consequences.

00:33:13.000 Well, ever since that happened, what do you know?

00:33:16.000 More and more people are identifying as transgender.

00:33:19.000 There was one poll that came out a little while ago that showed that more than one in five Zoomers identify as LGBT.

00:33:26.000 So either Alex Jones is right and there's something in the water that's turning all the freaking Zoomers gay, or there's a social aspect to this, and that social aspect is encouraged by the incentives and disincentives. 0.99

00:33:37.000 So it's important to take it on in the government. 0.81

00:33:38.000 Yeah, it's a social contagion.

00:33:40.000 But talk for a second, Michael.

00:33:42.000 So it's been one calendar, not even a calendar year since What is a Woman came out?

00:33:45.000 That was last June.

00:33:47.000 And so here's Daily Wire, a growing media company headquartered in Tennessee, that has more effectively been able to get legislation from concept to policy done than all these other waste-of-time lobbying groups.

00:34:01.000 And by the way, now other states are following.

00:34:03.000 Mississippi looks like they're going to follow.

00:34:05.000 There's other states that are going to follow it, the same sort of pattern.

00:34:07.000 We're watching all these different states, but it started with a movie.

00:34:12.000 That's right.

00:34:13.000 And it's so important because you're drawing this comparison to a lobbying group.

00:34:16.000 But the crucial distinction here is we don't need to lobby.

00:34:20.000 It's not like we set up meetings and have dinners and all sorts of things with politicians.

00:34:24.000 That's what lobbyists do.

00:34:26.000 No, we go out and make movies and state our opinion and try to present these issues as clearly as we can.

00:34:32.000 Yes.

00:34:32.000 Then it's the people who listen to it.

00:34:35.000 And then the people listen and they call their congressmen and they call their representatives and you see responsive government.

00:34:40.000 So huge kudos to Governor Lee, huge kudos to the Republicans in the Tennessee legislature because what they're doing is they're representing the desires of the people and they're restoring a little bit of sanity, even as much as the rest of the country goes off the rails.

00:34:55.000 So here's what's important, everybody, as we kind of put a little bit of a bow on this.

00:34:59.000 People say, how do we get our country back and all this?

00:35:01.000 You need young, articulate, entrepreneurial truth tellers that are empowered to push the status quo, to push tired old dogma, and you're going to start to see legislative wins and courage happen because of it.

00:35:13.000 I've said this before, the media hates when I say this.

00:35:15.000 Politicians are only reading off the script that we give them.

00:35:18.000 And the script is largely made sense of by articulate podcasters or radio show hosts, Tucker Carlson, Michael Knowles, Candace Owens, Shapiro Walsh.

00:35:29.000 And all of a sudden, now Tennessee has accomplished something that would have been a pipe dream a couple years ago.

00:35:34.000 We went from a conservative movement that was afraid to do bathroom bills in Indiana, North Carolina, to now banning the meta-commutilation of children.

00:35:42.000 What changed?

00:35:43.000 What changed is now the people who are processing, no, that are communicating the truth are no longer just the talking heads on TV.

00:35:50.000 There's a new generation of truth tellers, and it has liberated the conservative movement.

00:35:55.000 Michael, we're out of time.

00:35:56.000 Best of luck on your genocidal campaign.

00:35:58.000 And I'm kidding, Media Matters.

00:36:00.000 I'm kidding.

00:36:01.000 Thank you, Michael.

00:36:03.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:04.000 Email us your thoughts as always.

00:36:06.000 Freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:07.000 Thank you so much for listening, and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - March 07, 2023

1984 on Steroids with Genocidal Maniac Michael Knowles and Tracy Beanz

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