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00:01:06.000Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:08.000I am thrilled to be joined by three doctors, all of whom have been on the Charlie Kirk show in recent months.
00:01:15.000That has been seen by millions and millions of people.
00:01:18.000Dr. Simone Gold, Dr. James Tadaro, and Dr. Keith Rose.
00:01:23.000We are here to talk about the updates of the Chinese coronavirus, treatments, what we are being told that might not be true by some of the people that are making decisions.
00:01:36.000You came on my podcast first, just one-on-one, and then you came alongside eight other doctors, and that was seen so many millions of times.
00:01:44.000It's the number one episode we've ever done.
00:01:46.000Can you just give an update, us, an update of how things stand right now on the fight for hydroxychloroquine and also just some of the misinformation right now going on about the virus?
00:01:57.000So thank you so much for having us back.
00:01:59.000We started this kind of a loose consortium of physicians because we're very disturbed that patients can't get access to medications that they need.
00:02:07.000As you know, hydroxychloroquine is an old, safe medicine.
00:02:59.000But first, I want to hear, Dr. Rose, thank you for joining us.
00:03:03.000Can you talk about what you are seeing as far as these closures of schools?
00:03:08.000Do you believe that schools should be opened?
00:03:10.000Can you just give kind of a picture of what is driving people from canceling college athletics and shutting down all of these universities across the country and high schools?
00:03:24.000I can't understand how anyone can come to the conclusion that we must be closing schools right now.
00:03:29.000Well, I called you about this in February.
00:03:31.000In fact, we talked about it early in April.
00:03:35.000And like Dr. Gold was saying, as physicians, we would really have to suspend everything we have ever learned about viruses and treating infections and epidemics and pandemics to understand what we're dealing with now because it makes no sense.
00:03:52.000We know a lot more about this virus than we did back in February when I called you.
00:03:56.000And at the same time, we noted early on that it didn't affect children and it didn't affect young adults to any significant degree.
00:04:04.000The problem is the recent polls show that where people think 30 to 40% of the cases are in patients 44 years or younger, it's actually 3%.
00:04:15.000And the more we learn about these viruses, this virus in particular, the more we understand that not only does it not affect kids, but kids aren't a major form of transmission.
00:04:25.000And you can see that in Sweden and other countries that didn't go through draconian lockdowns.
00:04:30.000So to answer your question succinctly, the reason I think we're seeing all these school closures is nothing more than a movement that is just not paying attention to any medicine, science, or truth, but it's trying to shut down the economy through the back door.
00:04:45.000Because I have a lot, I have 137 employees throughout my clinics and companies, and a lot of them are single mothers.
00:04:52.000And if the kids are home, it's hard for that mother to teach the child at home and go to work.
00:04:57.000And we now know, and there's several articles that children aren't super spreaders.
00:05:02.000And the one paper, interesting enough, I believe it came out of Johns Hopkins that said children were super spreaders, had two fatal flaws in it.
00:05:10.000One, their idea of children was zero to 22.
00:05:14.000And the second thing was they didn't test for transmissibility of the disease.
00:05:18.000They were just looking for virus present.
00:05:21.000And I think that's where it started all in the beginning.
00:05:23.000We seem to be looking at positive cases, not active disease.
00:05:26.000It seems to be, to sum it up, unwishful thinking.
00:05:29.000We're trying to prove everything that is not going to happen good and everything that could possibly happen bad.
00:05:35.000And like Dr. Gole said, it doesn't make any sense.
00:05:38.000So Dr. Tedaro, I want to read one of the tweets you just recently sent out, which is, has Dr. Fauci engaged any of the doctors who have spent the last five months closely researching and or treating patients with hydroxychloroquine?
00:05:58.000Yeah, so this is something we really, in my opinion, have seen since March, where there are doctors who were using hydroxychloroquine very early, doing active research on hydroxychloroquine.
00:06:09.000And yet, really from the get-go, we saw a lot of pushback from Dr. Fauci, the NIH, the World Health Organization, and all these people, instead of trying to collaborate and understand what these frontline doctors' experiences are with this drug, what the research is, instead they seem to be very dismissive of it.
00:06:26.000And you'd think that by now, Dr. Fauci would have talked with Dr. Zolenko, Dr. Raoul in the South of France, and many of these other frontline physicians who are actually treating patients.
00:06:35.000And instead, it's just very dismissive.
00:06:37.000And he kind of uses either debunk studies or studies that are basically online surveys, like the two that came out of Minnesota.
00:06:45.000And it's really disheartening to see someone that high up in the NIH who's desposed over billions of dollars of research not collaborating with actual physicians on the ground who are seeing success with this treatment.
00:07:25.000Because I think actually if we can get into the intentions of what some of these people may or may not have financially or otherwise, we might be able to actually pick apart why they want to destroy our country by keeping us perpetually locked down.
00:07:38.000So I think the two major incentives, it's probably a combination of them.
00:07:42.000And I think that different kind of campaigns of misinformation are coming from different perspectives, but I think it looks political and then big pharma.
00:07:52.000If the economy is continually locked down, if everything is shut down leading into the election, it's not going to be a good state of affairs.
00:07:58.000But I think even more money is at stake from a big pharmaceutical perspective.
00:08:03.000We have companies that stand to make billions upon billions of dollars off this pandemic.
00:08:10.000I did an article about three weeks ago about Gilead specifically because at that time, they were one of the companies that was really most in direct competition with hydroxychloroquine on coming up with a treatment for COVID-19.
00:08:22.000And it was very interesting how when hydroxychloroquine entered the scene, so when the president first mentioned it in that March 19th press conference, Gilead's stock plummeted.
00:08:32.000It fell about 8.7% within hours after that announcement and continued to essentially erase $21 billion from the company's market cap early next week.
00:09:01.000So we know that the safety studies are not going to be great.
00:09:03.000We're not even going to really have enough time to determine whether the vaccine is very effective, if it's effective at all.
00:09:09.000And you're going to have states rolling this out.
00:09:11.000And even if it's a cheap vaccine or low cost, the government is either going to spend a ton of money for that vaccine and just the breadth of how many people are going to receive this vaccine.
00:09:21.000We're talking about billions upon billions of dollars.
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00:11:20.000I would never advocate that for a physician as a physician.
00:11:23.000And I dare any physician to tell me that it's in the patient's best interest to take something that is untested, unproven, over something with a 65-year-old track record.
00:11:37.000And so I'm just trying to get to the bottom of how we are able to communicate this more effectively.
00:11:43.000So, Dr. Rose, when you and I talked in February, you made three predictions.
00:11:47.000I just want to establish your credibility even further here.
00:11:50.000You said this virus has been in America much longer than they're telling us.
00:11:54.000And that is now a widely, let's say, recognized fact.
00:11:57.000It probably came around January, even some people say as early as October or November.
00:12:01.000Number two, you said lockdowns are the dumbest epidemiological idea we've ever done and will ever do.
00:12:07.000And this will destroy the backbone of our country.
00:12:09.000And the third thing that you said, which was really, really interesting, is that Dr. Fauci is compromised and you should not trust this guy.
00:12:48.000A rational, honest, virtuous human being, not a person looks at this as a doctor and says, this has been wrong from the beginning.
00:12:58.000Yet we have a medicine that has been shown to show great success in treating this disease.
00:13:05.000And we are putting that on the bench and we're rushing through vaccines, which take years to develop.
00:13:11.000And we've had disasters in the development of vaccines in the history of this country.
00:13:15.000But if you look back to March, you had an article come out in Nature magazine and it was fascinating.
00:13:20.000It was a very well-done article, peer-reviewed on hydroxychloroquine.
00:13:24.000And it said, number one, it was safe for short-term use.
00:13:28.000Number two, it showed efficacy and it worked in SARS, COVID-2.
00:13:34.000And the third thing, which was interesting, it all has an anti-inflammatory characteristic, which now COVID-19 is shown to cause clots and inflammation, so it can cascade.
00:15:34.000I mean, this is a very well-published guy.
00:15:37.000They did a report, 96,000 plus patients.
00:15:41.000And their conclusions, and I have it in front of me here, were that hydroxychloroquine not only didn't appear to work, and you got to look at the wordsmithing on all of this, because I'll get to that in a second, because a lot of this coming out from medical boards is wordsmithing.
00:16:09.000Every medical society put out the sky is falling to every doctor.
00:16:14.000I mean, I'm sure the other doctors on the show got stuff from their state medical associations, from their boards, et cetera.
00:16:20.000And everyone was saying, pump the brakes.
00:16:23.000But within two weeks, people started looking at this study.
00:16:26.000And here's where it gets nefarious and no one talks about.
00:16:28.000They started looking at the design of this study.
00:16:30.000You know, Dr. Ioannidis or Anitas from Stanford.
00:16:35.000He was the first one to see this back in 2005.
00:16:38.000It was called the Crisis of Reproducibility on Studies, where you would get studies, but you couldn't reproduce them.
00:16:43.000So we went towards a evidence-based study.
00:16:47.000And then you look at the design of the study.
00:16:49.000So people approaching it from that aspect looked at the design of this study.
00:16:54.000And they looked at those 96,000 patients and they asked obvious questions besides the fact that they were using high doses, older patients, et cetera.
00:17:01.000They just said, we'd like to see the medical records.
00:17:04.000Charlie, they could not produce one medical record.
00:18:01.000People stopped using hydroxychloroquine.
00:18:04.000And I'm telling you right now, as a physician who's seen it work based on my experience, and I'm not unique in any of this, when they did that, that's more than nefarious.
00:18:16.000I think some places would look at that as murder.
00:18:18.000I mean, I don't know any other way to say it.
00:18:20.000You're not using something that shows potential effect.
00:18:23.000Can I add something, Dr. Yeah, so a couple of things.
00:18:25.000We are so honored to have on this phone called Dr. Todaro, who's actually one of the people who investigated what's become known as Lancet Gate.
00:18:31.000So I'm so glad that you brought that up and we could ask him further.
00:18:34.000But I just want to continue with that.
00:18:36.000Dr. Raoul, who's the famous virologist in France, just wrote a letter to New England Journal of Medicine one day ago and called the corruption in the scientific journals, he likened it to a Marx Brothers movie.
00:18:49.000He sent this to the New England Journal of Medicine.
00:18:51.000He has 140,000 citations on Google Scholar, and they won't even print it.
00:18:57.000The corruption in the scientific journals is legendary.
00:19:01.000Dr. Rowe has over 400 bacteria named after him, or he's named.
00:20:27.000And so I won't go into the details of the study, which Keith so well covered.
00:20:30.000But just for your listeners who are saying, oh, we don't know if we believe them or not, the editor-in-chief of The Lancet, so Richard Horton himself called the study a monumental fraud.
00:20:38.000Okay, so this is not something that was flawed methodology of a study.
00:20:51.000Secondly, as Keith was talking about, these medical journals, including The Lancet, receive a large part of their publishing revenue from pharmaceutical companies.
00:20:58.000I was just on The Lancet's website a couple of weeks ago, and at the top banner, there's an advertisement for a Gilead product.
00:21:05.000I mean, that's where these medical journals get their money is from pharmaceutical companies.
00:21:10.000And it's been known for about 17 years that pharmaceutical companies really, to an extent, control what is published in these journals.
00:21:17.000So Richard Horton, again, the editor-in-chief of Lancet, he's been in that position for a couple of decades, said in 2003 that the control the pharmaceutical companies have of what they can publish is unbelievable.
00:21:28.000They're essentially marketing machines for big pharma.
00:21:31.000And it's even less publicly said now, which probably just means that the pharmaceutical companies even have more control so much that it can only be said in closed-door meetings between editors-in-chief of the New England Journal of Medicine and The Lancet, how much control and influence the pharmaceutical companies have over them.
00:21:45.000And this was stated by a very prominent former minister of health in France who said this a few weeks ago in a leaked meeting that the New England Journal of Medicine editor-in-chief was complaining about the corruption that's going on in these medical journals.
00:21:59.000And that's Dr. Dieste Blase, former French health minister.
00:24:11.000The problems now are man-made, political-made.
00:24:14.000They're made by different governors who are putting in place very restrictive, onerous restrictions that are essentially unconstitutional.
00:24:20.000And I want to emphasize as doctors that these lockdowns are so harmful for people's health.
00:24:24.000They're harmful for their physical health.
00:24:26.000They're harmful for their psychological health.
00:24:27.000And we know that this is a fraud because the group that they're focusing on so much, the fools, is particularly ludicrous.
00:24:34.000There really is no problem for children.
00:24:36.000If you didn't lock down last year for influenza, then why in the world would you be locking down this year for COVID, which has a much lower death rate than influenza?
00:24:45.000It should be obvious to everyone that this is not scientifically based.
00:24:49.000And citizens, honestly, I think, Charlie, need to rise up and refuse to comply with these procedures.
00:24:54.000As a practical matter, if you're living in a state where your schools are closed, under no circumstances should you be participating in that.
00:25:00.000You should pull your children out of school.
00:26:15.000And on there, you can find your state.
00:26:17.000And if you scroll down, you can find a telemedicine doctor who's hydroxychlorica-knowledgeable, promises to our hydroxychloroquine knowledgeable, and you can help yourself.
00:26:25.000Because Charlie, and everybody who's listening, if you let go of the fear, knowing that there's treatment available, should you need it, you'll be able to go back to your normal life and shrug off the dictatorial edicts of our governors.
00:26:39.000Also, what are we missing from our leaders right now?
00:26:43.000I want to add on to what Dr. Gold said because she's spot on.
00:26:47.000But I've been looking at what I get from my medical society, what I've been seeing from my board.
00:26:53.000And the interesting thing is every medical society, and so people, I hope everyone's paying attention because this is a way to take your country back tomorrow.
00:27:01.000Every medical society, every board has a COVID-19 task force, and they list the names of those physicians on the COVID-19 task force.
00:27:14.000Every county doctor that's making recommendations to a county judge has a medical license and you will know who that doctor is.
00:27:23.000I think, Charlie, and I'm not a big fan of this, but I think this is what it was designed for.
00:27:28.000If the American people, if you have a loved one that COVID-19 tried to get hydroxychloroquine and were denied.
00:27:38.000I think the best way to understand what's going on would be to get with an attorney, class action.
00:27:44.000You know who these doctors are that if they're making the recommendations, then I think they can support that.
00:27:50.000They can support that because in discovery, you can find out if they have written that prescription for anyone, because all prescriptions are electronic.
00:27:59.000You don't have to know who they wrote it for, but you can find out if they're recommending not using it, but writing it.
00:28:04.000I think we need to know if they've had it written for themselves.
00:28:07.000Because I know several doctors who have gone along with saying we can't write it, who have written it for themselves, family members, et cetera.
00:28:15.000So I think the time is, look, in medicine, it's primerum non-nece.
00:28:23.000And the best way to understand how county judges are talking to county doctors is in an open, in a request, if it has to be in a courthouse or an open information act request, why don't you find out their emails and who they're talking to?
00:28:44.000We are actively looking for plaintiffs.
00:28:46.000Those would be patients who've attempted to get hydroxychloroquine whose pharmacists said they wouldn't fill it, or doctors who've been writing for it and were thwarted by pharmacists.
00:28:56.000We are actively looking for those plaintiffs.
00:29:00.000I think that would be our next growth industry as you're going to see people on in about two, three months going, did you try to get hydroxychloroquine and were denied?
00:29:09.000But not just the doctors, but the medical societies, the boards empowering them.
00:29:17.000What you're seeing from the Lancet, what James showed so clearly, is you're seeing corruption at the highest level, and no one seems to care.
00:29:27.000The guy that was the first author on that paper still has a job.
00:29:31.000And I got to tell you, I mean, anyone that's been in academic medicine, that wouldn't happen.
00:29:40.000And these folks put those words in a journal, told us it was true.
00:29:45.000And I think possibly, I'll use their special language, cost thousands of lives.
00:29:52.000Dr. Tadaro, according to a FOIA request, and this is citing Pastor Rob McCoy.
00:29:57.000Dr. Rose and I both know him quite well.
00:29:59.000He said that a FOIA request in Thousand Oaks, California revealed that there were 102 deaths with the Chinese coronavirus, but only two of the Chinese coronavirus.
00:30:09.000Now, this, Dr. Rose could talk about this in a second because I know he's familiar with this data as well.
00:30:13.000But I'm just opening this as a broader conversation, Dr. Tadaro.
00:30:17.000Are all these numbers should we take exactly as they are being told?
00:30:20.000Or is there a difference between dying with and dying from?
00:30:24.000What are we missing here when it comes to how we're interpreting the data and communicating the data?
00:30:30.000There's dying with COVID and dying from COVID.
00:30:33.000And especially when you're talking about people in nursing homes for maybe near the last stretch of their life, you know, they have a very high mortality rate with or without COVID.
00:30:43.000And so you have to determine that we already know, and we've had health commissioners in different states say this, that patients will die of something that is obviously not COVID, but because they have COVID, that's their diagnosis.
00:30:55.000That goes as another notch on the death list for COVID.
00:30:59.000So that's absolutely happening across the board.
00:31:01.000I think looking back, we'll be able to compare kind of all-cause mortalities and see how many are, you know, really from COVID and make those assessments comparing, let's say, 2020 to like the averages in 2017, 2018, 2019.
00:31:15.000But yeah, there's absolutely, I think that there's an exaggeration of deaths from COVID-19.
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00:31:58.000So, Dr. Tadaro, can you talk also about other deaths that we are seeing?
00:32:03.000I mean, another issues that you might be analyzing from your position of suicide, alcoholism.
00:32:08.000Are there other health issues going on that we might have self-inflicted here because of the lockdowns?
00:32:15.000At our frontline doctor summit, there's a great talk by a psychiatrist who is seeing many of these families and children who are dealing with these lockdowns.
00:32:22.000And it's no surprise, and this has a huge effect on kids, on my kids.
00:32:26.000You know, everyone's now, these kids are afraid of this invisible disease.
00:32:30.000They're not allowed to go hug their grandparents anymore.
00:32:32.000They're not allowed to play with other kids.
00:32:33.000If they do, you have to keep a mask on a two-year-old in a lot of these, in a lot of states, which is just unbelievable.
00:32:40.000And it's, you know, it's having a psychological impact on kids, on adults.
00:32:44.000Most, a lot of people are drinking more.
00:34:37.000I mean, I just looking at this as a non-scientist, I'm just logically, I can't even come to the conclusion.
00:34:42.000I just sure the lockdowns and the social distancing, a lot of folks, if they heard our first podcast back in April, know that a lot of these ideas came out of that paper out of New Mexico, where one of the author's daughter, who was actually second author on the paper, wrote a paper in high school on social distancing and talked about, it was back during the Bush administration, talked about the potential, how you would treat a pandemic.
00:35:10.000I think that's where they got social distancing and possibly lockdown.
00:35:14.000But Charlie, the thing that every American should look at is why do we have so much unwishful thinking?
00:35:21.000Why are we ignoring what's right in front of our eyes?
00:35:24.000And why are we pushing that even harder?
00:35:26.000Because what we can't ignore, what these county judges have done with these lockdowns, here are the hard facts.
00:35:34.000We know there's a 35% increase in domestic abuse because we have people that are home with their abusers and they can't leave.
00:35:42.000We know we have massive increases in suicides, overdoses, alcoholism.
00:35:48.000We know that when people are afraid, they dump cortisol in their body, which is a... will cause exacerbation of very common diseases and make them much worse.
00:35:58.000You know, if you read, there's a journal called Modern Healthcare, and basically it's a business medical journal.
00:36:04.000Hospitals are posting record numbers as far as revenue because people aren't seeking care.
00:36:13.000I mean, someone even went off to say that basically COVID-19 has made it better for heart attack patients and strokes.
00:36:19.000No, they're just too afraid to go in and be seen and they're dying at home.
00:36:24.000May I add something, Charlie, about the quarantine issue?
00:36:47.000And in that time, the public health commissioner of San Francisco tried to lock down 12 city blocks because there were 15 cases or so of bubonic plague.
00:36:56.000And this went all the way up to the California Supreme Court.
00:36:58.000And the California Supreme Court said, no, you cannot lock down, I think it was 12,000 healthy people from socializing and going to work and living their lives because there's bubonic plague in the area.
00:38:38.000There should be mass civil disobedience, open the country.
00:38:43.000And that's the only way we're going to get back or we won't have the chance for that freedom.
00:38:47.000So Dr. Todaro, can you tell us just from looking at the data?
00:38:50.000Maybe you don't have it available, but I'm sure you have some idea of the death rate this year versus the death rate the last couple years.
00:38:56.000Have we seen an increase in the death rate at all?
00:38:58.000Or has the death rate been somewhat unchanged?
00:39:03.000So this is something that I've just started diving into recently.
00:39:07.000But it looks like compared to 2019, so the first 32 weeks of 2019 versus 2020, that there is an uptick in the number of deaths in this year compared to last year.
00:39:16.000I have not compared this to 2018 or 2017.
00:39:21.000I think there's no doubt that COVID-19 caused some degree of excess mortality.
00:39:27.000And I'm actually looking forward to doing that data analysis over the next few days.
00:39:31.000I do have something I want to talk about, though, that has to do with lockdowns.
00:39:35.000It's actually a piece of, I think, really good news that the mainstream media is not covering and not giving near the amount of attention it should be.
00:39:42.000And this has to do with T cell immunity, herd immunity.
00:39:45.000Okay, so this is a very active area of research that's been going on for the past four to eight weeks.
00:39:51.000And from a high level, T cells are part of the adaptive immune system that helps you respond to specific diseases.
00:39:57.000You have B cells for antibodies and then T cells.
00:40:00.000And what the new research is showing is that T cells from blood samples from before the pandemic, so blood samples from people from 2019, when exposed to SARS-CoV-2, the novel coronavirus, the T cells are specifically reacting to that, to the new virus.
00:40:17.000And what this implies is that there's a degree of protective immunity for a large percentage of the population.
00:40:23.000And these studies vary on the exact percentage, but it's around 50%.
00:40:27.000And so this is critically important because this means about 50% of people might have some degree of immunity versus coronavirus.
00:40:33.000And so the immune system is very complex.
00:40:36.000And the T and T cell immunity is just one part of it.
00:40:38.000But if you take this knowledge, this new research, and plug it into what we're seeing in the real world, it starts to make sense.
00:40:45.000You know, one of the big questions is why are nearly 50% of people asymptomatic yet test positive for coronavirus?
00:40:52.000Well, do they have the T cell immunity that's being able to attack those infected cells and eradicate them before the person even develops symptoms?
00:40:59.000Now, this has huge implications on herd immunity because if someone's asymptomatic, there's a much lesser chance they're going to spread the disease.
00:41:06.000So we have 50% of people that are partially or maybe even fully protected from the disease.
00:41:11.000You don't have to reach that 60 to 70% that so many infectious disease experts and epidemiologists were talking about.
00:41:17.000So they all said you have to reach 60 to 70% of people infected to reach this herd immunity threshold.
00:41:37.000This happened in London, Madrid, Geneva, New York City, Stockholm.
00:41:42.000And the lockdown advocates will sit there and say, oh, well, that's because we did lockdowns and masks.
00:41:47.000But we all know lockdown mandates and masks came at different times, yet so many of these areas hit the 20%.
00:41:52.000And we know as a control, and I'm sure you've talked about it, this Sweden did not mandate lockdowns, did not mandate masks.
00:41:59.000And again, Stockholm, 20% infected, cases began to decline, deaths began to decline.
00:42:04.000And today there's less than one death per day in Sweden.
00:42:07.000And so if you combine this 50% that have some partial or full immunity already prior to the pandemic to about 20% that are newly infected, you now have a decent percentage of the population that may be partially or fully immune to coronavirus.
00:42:21.000And so this would mean that many parts of the country, especially the areas that were hardest hit, might be able to open up safely.
00:42:28.000And this could be New York City and so many other cities around the world that aren't seeing that second wave in deaths.
00:42:36.000In addition to the new therapeutics we have, this information needs to get out there.
00:42:39.000And it's being suppressed both at the mainstream media and censorship on Twitter, but also actually at the level of academic journals.
00:42:48.000So there's biomathematicians that put out a great study looking at evaluating the mathematical models for why they're hitting 20%.
00:42:54.000Their article is rejected from every scientific journal.
00:42:57.000And the reason being, and the journal said this, she quoted in her tweet, is that it's because we don't want to give people the idea that maybe it could justify reopening.
00:43:21.000The T cells start in the bone marrow, they go to the thymus, and they go from the thymus out in the body.
00:43:27.000And the T cells, a lot of kids are exposed to different, there's several types of coronavirus.
00:43:32.000There are four types that are just basically the common cold.
00:43:35.000And that's what those T cells recognize.
00:43:37.000And that's why I think we're not seeing a lot in younger and more, it's worse than older because the thymus will involute and shrink over time as a person gets older.
00:43:46.000So the T cell research that's being done now is one of the strongest pillars for opening schools, showing that kids have prior immunity.
00:43:55.000And it not only makes sense, it just fits perfectly scientifically in what we know with our body chemistry.
00:44:03.000Yeah, I'm going to talk really plain and simple.
00:44:07.000Kids have more T cell activity than grownups.
00:44:16.000So I want to ask something about getting immunity.
00:44:19.000Either Dr. Keith or Dr. Gold, some people are saying in Hong Kong, someone's getting the virus twice that they've gotten, is that possible?
00:44:28.000Has that ever happened in the case of viruses?
00:44:31.000There's more and more news articles that are saying this.
00:44:35.000If you look at the studies, and I'm probably, Smoan probably knows more about this than I do, but the studies I've looked at where they're getting the virus twice.
00:44:41.000Again, what does getting the virus mean?
00:44:56.000And you can look in countries that weren't locked down.
00:44:59.000Sweden has a great study just showing that and showing the graphs.
00:45:02.000In fact, if you look across the board right now, the greatest case for immunity is looking at every group and every state that's not locking down hard and opening up because all their death rates are going down.
00:45:14.000When you look at positive case, it doesn't mean anything.
00:45:36.000Tyler Kick, you're really on top of things because this press release, I think, just came out today, yesterday.
00:45:41.000So what he's talking about, what he's talking about, is a person from Hong Kong who was infected with coronavirus from March, got reinfected in August.
00:46:01.000All he had was an inflammatory marker that bumped up a little bit, hypokalemia, which is, you know, low potassium.
00:46:06.000And then he had, he developed IgD antibodies right after that.
00:46:10.000So that's the only evidence they really had that he had a second infection.
00:46:13.000It's really important to note it was asymptomatic.
00:46:15.000He likely had T cells, maybe not even the antibodies, but the T cells was able to fight this infection before it actually developed symptoms.
00:46:24.000And I have not seen any evidence that he actually spread that disease to other people.
00:46:27.000I did not see that in the press release, but that's kind of what I'm talking about: herd immunity: you have the people that, even if they're reinfected, they're able to eradicate the disease without symptoms.
00:46:56.000And so I kept a whole file on it because I was really sick and I thought I was going to die.
00:47:02.000I just found that file the other day and it was interesting from the CDC and from our state medical association said that it was in November and I'll send it to you because I have it.
00:47:12.000It said, we don't need to test anymore for H1N1.
00:47:16.000If you find a patient, just treat them.
00:47:19.000They didn't even want to know who was positive or not.
00:47:23.000And that was a horrific disease by young people.
00:47:27.000Really quick, they say it's because you can be an asymptomatic spreader.
00:47:30.000That's what they said made this one different, but it's actually true.
00:47:32.000Well, they say a lot, but I'm just playing devil's advocate here.
00:47:35.000I'm just saying this is what they say.
00:47:36.000The only problem is an asymptomatic spreader doesn't produce enough viral load in the studies that actually look at it.
00:47:43.000And if you're not producing viral load, the only asymptomatic spread, which is probably 24 to 48 hours prior to active symptoms, is on a spouse or an intimate contact, not in the workplace, not in the school.
00:47:55.000So, the asymptomatic spreader, just to use a plain term, is not really a thing.
00:47:59.000And to continue with that, the CDC finally, finally just came out saying you should not test asymptomatic people.
00:48:18.000If I could just circle back really quickly, I wanted to say something about vaccines that I neglected to say earlier.
00:48:25.000The reason I'm very reluctant to put all my faith in vaccine, even though the president keeps touting the vaccine, is although the government can rush the scientific process to a certain extent, when you're giving a medication, which a vaccine is to a very large group of asymptomatic people who are healthy, you're taking a healthy population and you're looking for subtle, maybe late side effects.
00:48:53.000There is no substitute for waiting a good length of time to discern if there were subtle side effects that took a few years to show up or relate.
00:49:02.000There's just so much the government can do.
00:49:04.000They can rush the test tube process, but they cannot rush the observation period.
00:49:09.000They may make it legal, but that's not the way a drug should be given to people who are asymptomatic, healthy, and were not going to be threatened by this virus in the first place.
00:49:20.000You should not be taking an untested, unproven medicine if you're healthy and there's no threat to you.
00:51:08.000When I go South America and I take hydroxychloroquine, I take it two weeks before, all during that time and four weeks after, and no one seems to have a problem when I take it or when I give it to my children or when I give it to family members.
00:51:25.000Don't just be, don't look to CNN, MSNBC, but ask the heart questions and sit down with your doctor and tell them, look, I need to know, and physicians need to pay attention too.
00:51:50.000No, and that's where Dr. Gold can come in.
00:51:52.000I'm just saying, and I completely agree with what you're saying, but I mean, I get these emails from doctors saying how irresponsible I'm being for having you guys on my show.
00:52:21.000Listener, if you're listening, you can go to my website and you can find not only the laws and regulations that Dr. Rose is talking about in your state, you will find a telemedicine physician who understands these issues.
00:52:32.000Now, if you live in a state that does permit hydroxychloroquine, which you can see right away on the map and you don't want to change your doctor and your doctor doesn't know, you should print out the white paper that's under the reference tab and share it with your physician.
00:53:24.000And it really comes down to every patient, the general public, staying informed.
00:53:28.000And the way to do that is, again, not watching CNN, MSNBC, mainstream media.
00:53:33.000Anything they give you is going to be superficial and probably just disinformation.
00:53:37.000So you're going to have to digest things from other sources.
00:53:39.000These types of podcasts, little long-form conversations where you can better understand what's going on, are the America's Frontline Doctors website.
00:53:47.000I have a website, medicineuncensored.com, where I put a lot of the research that's coming out on this stuff.
00:53:52.000The second thing is, if you don't feel like your doctor is being open-minded to whether it's a therapeutic or advice in general on hydroxychloroquine, for instance, fire them.
00:54:14.000And that would put pressure on these physicians to maybe stay a little bit more informed.
00:54:18.000And I know physicians hate this, and many don't like patients to come in with, you know, evidence or whatever on certain therapeutics and stuff because they're always like, oh, well, what does the patient know?
00:54:28.000But there's so much difference of opinion among doctors out there that doctors need to be able, need to deal with this new evidence.
00:54:35.000And patients need to put pressure on them.
00:54:57.000I want to emphasize that it's useful in the late stage of the disease.
00:55:01.000Hydroxychloroquine is useful in the early stages of the disease.
00:55:05.000If you were not treated properly with hydroxychloroquine and zinc early and you unfortunately are hospitalized and very sick, you would want to receive plasma, but you would also want to receive high antibody dose plasma.
00:55:17.000And I just, it's much more complicated and it's for the late stage.
00:55:34.000Just what Simone triggered something in me, and that was hospitalized and when you take the medication.
00:55:41.000A lot of medical societies and a lot of state medical associations say they don't recommend it in hospitalized patients and people are taking that across the board.
00:55:49.000It's a medication, hydroxychloroquine, to take early.
00:55:53.000And so just when you hear certain studies or certain people talking, look and see if they say it doesn't work or could possibly not work.
00:56:02.000Everyone seems to be wordsmithing a lot these days.
00:56:05.000So it's really up to the patient to be informed.
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00:57:08.000Thanks so much for listening, everybody.