The Charlie Kirk Show - 3 Doctors Speak Out — The Update You Have Been Waiting For

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00:00:24.000 Three doctors speak out about hydroxychloroquine, the virus, masks, Fauci, and so much more.

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00:01:05.000 Hey, everybody.

00:01:06.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:08.000 I am thrilled to be joined by three doctors, all of whom have been on the Charlie Kirk show in recent months.

00:01:15.000 That has been seen by millions and millions of people.

00:01:18.000 Dr. Simone Gold, Dr. James Tadaro, and Dr. Keith Rose.

00:01:23.000 We are here to talk about the updates of the Chinese coronavirus, treatments, what we are being told that might not be true by some of the people that are making decisions.

00:01:34.000 We'll start with you, Dr. Gold.

00:01:36.000 You came on my podcast first, just one-on-one, and then you came alongside eight other doctors, and that was seen so many millions of times.

00:01:44.000 It's the number one episode we've ever done.

00:01:46.000 Can you just give an update, us, an update of how things stand right now on the fight for hydroxychloroquine and also just some of the misinformation right now going on about the virus?

00:01:56.000 Yes.

00:01:57.000 So thank you so much for having us back.

00:01:59.000 We started this kind of a loose consortium of physicians because we're very disturbed that patients can't get access to medications that they need.

00:02:07.000 As you know, hydroxychloroquine is an old, safe medicine.

00:02:10.000 It was FDA approved 65 years ago.

00:02:13.000 We give it to children.

00:02:14.000 We give it to breastfeeding women, pregnant women, nursing mothers, elderly, the immune compromised.

00:02:19.000 And it was the first and only time in American history that a doctor was not being free to prescribe an FDA-approved medication.

00:02:26.000 It's never happened.

00:02:28.000 And you can still prescribe it, but just not for COVID.

00:02:30.000 This is so alarming that we decided to get together and speak about it.

00:02:33.000 When we came to Washington to share the good news with the American people that there is treatment, there are options.

00:02:38.000 As you know, we were immediately shut down by social media.

00:02:41.000 We've gotten 18 or 20 million views in six hours, which just shows that the American public really wants to hear this stuff.

00:02:47.000 And then we would deplatform across all social media.

00:02:49.000 However, the fight to get hydroxychloroquine into the hands of the people continues.

00:02:54.000 Dr. Rose, thank you.

00:02:55.000 Thank you, Dr. Gold.

00:02:57.000 And I want to get into that.

00:02:59.000 But first, I want to hear, Dr. Rose, thank you for joining us.

00:03:03.000 Can you talk about what you are seeing as far as these closures of schools?

00:03:08.000 Do you believe that schools should be opened?

00:03:10.000 Can you just give kind of a picture of what is driving people from canceling college athletics and shutting down all of these universities across the country and high schools?

00:03:20.000 You're a medical doctor.

00:03:21.000 You've been speaking out against this.

00:03:23.000 I must be missing something.

00:03:24.000 I can't understand how anyone can come to the conclusion that we must be closing schools right now.

00:03:29.000 Well, I called you about this in February.

00:03:31.000 In fact, we talked about it early in April.

00:03:35.000 And like Dr. Gold was saying, as physicians, we would really have to suspend everything we have ever learned about viruses and treating infections and epidemics and pandemics to understand what we're dealing with now because it makes no sense.

00:03:52.000 We know a lot more about this virus than we did back in February when I called you.

00:03:56.000 And at the same time, we noted early on that it didn't affect children and it didn't affect young adults to any significant degree.

00:04:04.000 The problem is the recent polls show that where people think 30 to 40% of the cases are in patients 44 years or younger, it's actually 3%.

00:04:15.000 And the more we learn about these viruses, this virus in particular, the more we understand that not only does it not affect kids, but kids aren't a major form of transmission.

00:04:25.000 And you can see that in Sweden and other countries that didn't go through draconian lockdowns.

00:04:30.000 So to answer your question succinctly, the reason I think we're seeing all these school closures is nothing more than a movement that is just not paying attention to any medicine, science, or truth, but it's trying to shut down the economy through the back door.

00:04:45.000 Because I have a lot, I have 137 employees throughout my clinics and companies, and a lot of them are single mothers.

00:04:52.000 And if the kids are home, it's hard for that mother to teach the child at home and go to work.

00:04:57.000 And we now know, and there's several articles that children aren't super spreaders.

00:05:02.000 And the one paper, interesting enough, I believe it came out of Johns Hopkins that said children were super spreaders, had two fatal flaws in it.

00:05:10.000 One, their idea of children was zero to 22.

00:05:14.000 And the second thing was they didn't test for transmissibility of the disease.

00:05:18.000 They were just looking for virus present.

00:05:21.000 And I think that's where it started all in the beginning.

00:05:23.000 We seem to be looking at positive cases, not active disease.

00:05:26.000 It seems to be, to sum it up, unwishful thinking.

00:05:29.000 We're trying to prove everything that is not going to happen good and everything that could possibly happen bad.

00:05:35.000 And like Dr. Gole said, it doesn't make any sense.

00:05:38.000 So Dr. Tedaro, I want to read one of the tweets you just recently sent out, which is, has Dr. Fauci engaged any of the doctors who have spent the last five months closely researching and or treating patients with hydroxychloroquine?

00:05:50.000 The answer seems to be no.

00:05:51.000 It doesn't seem like Dr. Fauci is interested in collaboration, the backbone of advancing medicine.

00:05:56.000 Can you elaborate on that?

00:05:58.000 Yeah, so this is something we really, in my opinion, have seen since March, where there are doctors who were using hydroxychloroquine very early, doing active research on hydroxychloroquine.

00:06:09.000 And yet, really from the get-go, we saw a lot of pushback from Dr. Fauci, the NIH, the World Health Organization, and all these people, instead of trying to collaborate and understand what these frontline doctors' experiences are with this drug, what the research is, instead they seem to be very dismissive of it.

00:06:26.000 And you'd think that by now, Dr. Fauci would have talked with Dr. Zolenko, Dr. Raoul in the South of France, and many of these other frontline physicians who are actually treating patients.

00:06:35.000 And instead, it's just very dismissive.

00:06:37.000 And he kind of uses either debunk studies or studies that are basically online surveys, like the two that came out of Minnesota.

00:06:45.000 And it's really disheartening to see someone that high up in the NIH who's desposed over billions of dollars of research not collaborating with actual physicians on the ground who are seeing success with this treatment.

00:06:56.000 So I want to follow up, Dr. Tadaro.

00:06:58.000 A lot of people have emailed us, and people are getting really restless.

00:07:01.000 We feel as if we're being lied to.

00:07:03.000 We feel as if we are being misdirected.

00:07:05.000 Can you tell us why?

00:07:06.000 That's the number one thing that I get from people.

00:07:08.000 They say, well, people wouldn't be lying because there would be no incentive to lie about this.

00:07:13.000 Tell us why we are.

00:07:14.000 No, this is the number one thing I get is from decent, reasonable people.

00:07:18.000 They think that, well, there's no reason why Dr. Fauci would lie to us.

00:07:21.000 He just wants what's best for the country.

00:07:23.000 Can you help pick apart this?

00:07:25.000 Because I think actually if we can get into the intentions of what some of these people may or may not have financially or otherwise, we might be able to actually pick apart why they want to destroy our country by keeping us perpetually locked down.

00:07:37.000 Absolutely.

00:07:38.000 So I think the two major incentives, it's probably a combination of them.

00:07:42.000 And I think that different kind of campaigns of misinformation are coming from different perspectives, but I think it looks political and then big pharma.

00:07:49.000 Okay.

00:07:50.000 We all know the politics of it.

00:07:52.000 If the economy is continually locked down, if everything is shut down leading into the election, it's not going to be a good state of affairs.

00:07:58.000 But I think even more money is at stake from a big pharmaceutical perspective.

00:08:03.000 We have companies that stand to make billions upon billions of dollars off this pandemic.

00:08:10.000 I did an article about three weeks ago about Gilead specifically because at that time, they were one of the companies that was really most in direct competition with hydroxychloroquine on coming up with a treatment for COVID-19.

00:08:22.000 And it was very interesting how when hydroxychloroquine entered the scene, so when the president first mentioned it in that March 19th press conference, Gilead's stock plummeted.

00:08:32.000 Okay.

00:08:32.000 It fell about 8.7% within hours after that announcement and continued to essentially erase $21 billion from the company's market cap early next week.

00:08:42.000 So that's how much money is at stake.

00:08:43.000 And that's just one pharmaceutical company.

00:08:45.000 And the sad thing is they're probably not even the ones to stand the biggest profit off this pandemic.

00:08:50.000 We're really looking at a vaccination campaign that's underway.

00:08:53.000 And some states are already talking as if they're going to make this vaccine absolutely mandatory.

00:08:58.000 The first FDA approved vaccine, mandatory.

00:09:00.000 And this could be in a few months.

00:09:01.000 So we know that the safety studies are not going to be great.

00:09:03.000 We're not even going to really have enough time to determine whether the vaccine is very effective, if it's effective at all.

00:09:09.000 And you're going to have states rolling this out.

00:09:11.000 And even if it's a cheap vaccine or low cost, the government is either going to spend a ton of money for that vaccine and just the breadth of how many people are going to receive this vaccine.

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00:10:18.000 So Dr. Gold, Virginia is planning mandatory vaccines for all residents.

00:10:24.000 Let's not even get into the constitutionality or the legality of it.

00:10:28.000 Would you argue that there's already a treatment out there that can work that is currently not being talked about, hydroxychloroquine?

00:10:36.000 But why wouldn't they want people to use that?

00:10:39.000 It seems every time I mention it, Dr. Gold, I either get thrown off of some sort of platform.

00:10:43.000 People say that.

00:10:44.000 I have no idea what I'm talking about.

00:10:46.000 What is it that we are missing in the national conversation when it comes to hydroxychloroquine?

00:10:51.000 You know, I speak about this publicly because not only is it so bizarre, no one's talking about how bizarre it is.

00:10:57.000 We've never had this situation in America.

00:11:00.000 There's a safe, cheap, worldwide effective medication that can be scaled up enormously, billions of dosages available.

00:11:05.000 It costs less than $10 a treatment, and everyone's pretending to not notice that it's available.

00:11:10.000 It is fundamentally irrational to take an untested, unproven remedy when you have something that's been around for six and a half decades.

00:11:19.000 It makes no sense.

00:11:20.000 I would never advocate that for a physician as a physician.

00:11:23.000 And I dare any physician to tell me that it's in the patient's best interest to take something that is untested, unproven, over something with a 65-year-old track record.

00:11:35.000 I mean, and you're exactly right.

00:11:37.000 And so I'm just trying to get to the bottom of how we are able to communicate this more effectively.

00:11:43.000 So, Dr. Rose, when you and I talked in February, you made three predictions.

00:11:47.000 I just want to establish your credibility even further here.

00:11:50.000 You said this virus has been in America much longer than they're telling us.

00:11:54.000 And that is now a widely, let's say, recognized fact.

00:11:57.000 It probably came around January, even some people say as early as October or November.

00:12:01.000 Number two, you said lockdowns are the dumbest epidemiological idea we've ever done and will ever do.

00:12:07.000 And this will destroy the backbone of our country.

00:12:09.000 And the third thing that you said, which was really, really interesting, is that Dr. Fauci is compromised and you should not trust this guy.

00:12:18.000 Can you talk more about that?

00:12:19.000 Because it seems like even though he's kind of been de-emphasized, he's still calling a lot of the shots.

00:12:23.000 And Joe Biden has said, now we're going to shut down the country again if that's what it takes.

00:12:27.000 Schools are not open.

00:12:29.000 Dr. Rose, when are people, when's the right time to push back against this?

00:12:34.000 Well, Charlie, the right time is now, and it has been.

00:12:38.000 But I'm going to take you really briefly through the evolution of this because you can hear it in Dr. Gold's voice.

00:12:46.000 Her passion is legitimate.

00:12:48.000 A rational, honest, virtuous human being, not a person looks at this as a doctor and says, this has been wrong from the beginning.

00:12:58.000 Yet we have a medicine that has been shown to show great success in treating this disease.

00:13:05.000 And we are putting that on the bench and we're rushing through vaccines, which take years to develop.

00:13:11.000 And we've had disasters in the development of vaccines in the history of this country.

00:13:15.000 But if you look back to March, you had an article come out in Nature magazine and it was fascinating.

00:13:20.000 It was a very well-done article, peer-reviewed on hydroxychloroquine.

00:13:24.000 And it said, number one, it was safe for short-term use.

00:13:28.000 Number two, it showed efficacy and it worked in SARS, COVID-2.

00:13:34.000 And the third thing, which was interesting, it all has an anti-inflammatory characteristic, which now COVID-19 is shown to cause clots and inflammation, so it can cascade.

00:13:43.000 So it checked off all the boxes.

00:13:46.000 But so it had a lot of forward-moving progress.

00:13:49.000 Like James mentioned earlier, the studies against hydroxychloroquine, there have basically been 14 studies that have said it was bad.

00:13:58.000 10 of them were all done in the late stage of the disease, which no one says that it has great efficacy for.

00:14:06.000 Two of them were out of Minnesota and were debunked.

00:14:09.000 One of them was out of Brazil that was debunked.

00:14:11.000 And that was the one Dr. Fauci was pushing.

00:14:13.000 But this is where everything can be tied together and comes down to the nefarious nature of this.

00:14:18.000 The last study, the one that got everyone to pump the brakes on hydroxychloroquine, came out of the Lancet.

00:14:25.000 Now, The Lancet is a very respected medical journal.

00:14:29.000 But as you know, I work around the world and I have a lot of friends living around the world.

00:14:34.000 So I pulled up the Lancet study.

00:14:37.000 And I will tell you from reading it, then I looked into the authors and then I did some deep dive.

00:14:42.000 Now, I couldn't find it in the U.S. papers.

00:14:45.000 I couldn't find it in the U.S. media.

00:14:47.000 But I do have a lot of connections in India and Pakistan.

00:14:50.000 So I went to their medias and I pulled up some articles.

00:14:53.000 And what it showed, and now the doctors that are on your show will understand this.

00:14:58.000 I've published, I think, 15 plus papers in peer-reviewed journals.

00:15:03.000 When you publish a paper, it doesn't happen overnight.

00:15:06.000 You go through peer review boards.

00:15:08.000 You go through IRB's institutional review boards.

00:15:10.000 You have editorial staffs.

00:15:12.000 Now, and that's just for your average journal.

00:15:15.000 I can't even imagine what it's like to get a paper published in The Lancet.

00:15:18.000 There were three authors on this paper.

00:15:21.000 The lead author is the head of cardiovascular center at Brighams and Women at Harvard.

00:15:29.000 I mean, this guy is very well published.

00:15:31.000 He's an editor of a journal.

00:15:32.000 He's the head of a society.

00:15:34.000 I mean, this is a very well-published guy.

00:15:37.000 They did a report, 96,000 plus patients.

00:15:41.000 And their conclusions, and I have it in front of me here, were that hydroxychloroquine not only didn't appear to work, and you got to look at the wordsmithing on all of this, because I'll get to that in a second, because a lot of this coming out from medical boards is wordsmithing.

00:15:55.000 Didn't appear to work.

00:15:56.000 In fact, it potentially could cause grave consequences.

00:16:01.000 And I'm paraphrasing, but I can read you the exact words.

00:16:03.000 So then everyone looked at the study and said, wait a second, we got to stop.

00:16:07.000 It stopped clinical trials.

00:16:09.000 Every medical society put out the sky is falling to every doctor.

00:16:14.000 I mean, I'm sure the other doctors on the show got stuff from their state medical associations, from their boards, et cetera.

00:16:20.000 And everyone was saying, pump the brakes.

00:16:23.000 But within two weeks, people started looking at this study.

00:16:26.000 And here's where it gets nefarious and no one talks about.

00:16:28.000 They started looking at the design of this study.

00:16:30.000 You know, Dr. Ioannidis or Anitas from Stanford.

00:16:35.000 He was the first one to see this back in 2005.

00:16:38.000 It was called the Crisis of Reproducibility on Studies, where you would get studies, but you couldn't reproduce them.

00:16:43.000 So we went towards a evidence-based study.

00:16:47.000 And then you look at the design of the study.

00:16:49.000 So people approaching it from that aspect looked at the design of this study.

00:16:54.000 And they looked at those 96,000 patients and they asked obvious questions besides the fact that they were using high doses, older patients, et cetera.

00:17:01.000 They just said, we'd like to see the medical records.

00:17:04.000 Charlie, they could not produce one medical record.

00:17:08.000 It came from a company.

00:17:09.000 And this is an Indian newspaper that, and I've cross-checked all this called Surgisphere.

00:17:14.000 It has six employees.

00:17:16.000 It's based out of Chicago, Illinois.

00:17:19.000 They did all the big data crunch because everyone knows they don't have enough people to do this magnitude of a study.

00:17:25.000 So they use, quote, AI.

00:17:27.000 And if you look at their staff, the head of their scientific writing division that probably wrote the paper is kind of Ben Rhodes-esque.

00:17:36.000 He's a science fiction writer.

00:17:38.000 The head of their marketing, besides that job, works part-time as, quote, an adult model. 0.96

00:17:43.000 No, it's a porn star.

00:17:45.000 And so that's kind of an interesting thing because it's funny and it's tragic because they could not produce one medical record.

00:17:53.000 And the one country they said they work with, one group in Scotland, said it wasn't true.

00:17:58.000 So now here's where you wind up.

00:18:01.000 People stopped using hydroxychloroquine.

00:18:04.000 And I'm telling you right now, as a physician who's seen it work based on my experience, and I'm not unique in any of this, when they did that, that's more than nefarious.

00:18:16.000 I think some places would look at that as murder.

00:18:18.000 I mean, I don't know any other way to say it.

00:18:20.000 You're not using something that shows potential effect.

00:18:23.000 Can I add something, Dr. Yeah, so a couple of things.

00:18:25.000 We are so honored to have on this phone called Dr. Todaro, who's actually one of the people who investigated what's become known as Lancet Gate.

00:18:31.000 So I'm so glad that you brought that up and we could ask him further.

00:18:34.000 But I just want to continue with that.

00:18:36.000 Dr. Raoul, who's the famous virologist in France, just wrote a letter to New England Journal of Medicine one day ago and called the corruption in the scientific journals, he likened it to a Marx Brothers movie.

00:18:49.000 He sent this to the New England Journal of Medicine.

00:18:51.000 He has 140,000 citations on Google Scholar, and they won't even print it.

00:18:57.000 The corruption in the scientific journals is legendary.

00:19:01.000 Dr. Rowe has over 400 bacteria named after him, or he's named.

00:19:05.000 Yeah, he's very well published.

00:19:07.000 But Charlie, what Dr. Gold's saying is this is beyond a scandal.

00:19:13.000 This is corruption, not in politics, where you caught someone doing something.

00:19:16.000 This is corruption in the scientific realm where we have to get it right or at least be able to say we got it wrong.

00:19:23.000 And they're pushing it to the back of the line and people are paying the price.

00:19:27.000 So everyone is.

00:19:28.000 That's well said, Dr. Rose.

00:19:29.000 Dr. Todaro, you're one of the first people to blow the whistle on the Lancet study, right?

00:19:33.000 And can you fill in even more exactly what Dr. Rose is talking about?

00:19:38.000 And look, I just want to be very clear here, though.

00:19:42.000 Most people don't believe what you guys are saying.

00:19:44.000 You have to also decide, you have to, you have to tell the motivations here.

00:19:47.000 Most people will discount you guys as baseless on this.

00:19:52.000 They say, why would anyone do something like this?

00:19:54.000 That's the number one.

00:19:55.000 Dr. Mayer, the head guy on that study, is supported by, I think he has a disclosure statement.

00:20:01.000 He receives the maximum that he can get on disclosing.

00:20:05.000 It says greater than 5,000 from over 10 or 15 pharmaceutical companies.

00:20:10.000 The Lancet is supported by those companies.

00:20:13.000 I mean, this goes really deep.

00:20:15.000 Dr. Todaro, can you fill in the gaps?

00:20:18.000 A couple of comments that Keith did a good job describing Lancet Gate.

00:20:21.000 So I wrote a paper in the end of May called The Study Out of Thin Air, because that's where this study essentially came from.

00:20:26.000 It was out of thin air.

00:20:27.000 And so I won't go into the details of the study, which Keith so well covered.

00:20:30.000 But just for your listeners who are saying, oh, we don't know if we believe them or not, the editor-in-chief of The Lancet, so Richard Horton himself called the study a monumental fraud.

00:20:38.000 Okay, so this is not something that was flawed methodology of a study.

00:20:42.000 This is a fraudulent study.

00:20:44.000 And that's universally known now.

00:20:46.000 Mainstream media gives that very much attention.

00:20:48.000 No, they don't.

00:20:48.000 But that is well known.

00:20:51.000 Secondly, as Keith was talking about, these medical journals, including The Lancet, receive a large part of their publishing revenue from pharmaceutical companies.

00:20:58.000 It's actually funny.

00:20:58.000 I was just on The Lancet's website a couple of weeks ago, and at the top banner, there's an advertisement for a Gilead product.

00:21:05.000 I mean, that's where these medical journals get their money is from pharmaceutical companies.

00:21:10.000 And it's been known for about 17 years that pharmaceutical companies really, to an extent, control what is published in these journals.

00:21:17.000 So Richard Horton, again, the editor-in-chief of Lancet, he's been in that position for a couple of decades, said in 2003 that the control the pharmaceutical companies have of what they can publish is unbelievable.

00:21:28.000 They're essentially marketing machines for big pharma.

00:21:31.000 And it's even less publicly said now, which probably just means that the pharmaceutical companies even have more control so much that it can only be said in closed-door meetings between editors-in-chief of the New England Journal of Medicine and The Lancet, how much control and influence the pharmaceutical companies have over them.

00:21:45.000 And this was stated by a very prominent former minister of health in France who said this a few weeks ago in a leaked meeting that the New England Journal of Medicine editor-in-chief was complaining about the corruption that's going on in these medical journals.

00:21:59.000 And that's Dr. Dieste Blase, former French health minister.

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00:23:14.000 Well, Dr. Gold, so it's time to open America, obviously.

00:23:18.000 Hydroxychloroquine, you are an advocate for.

00:23:22.000 What is the biggest barriers from this happening?

00:23:24.000 What are the action steps that need to happen?

00:23:26.000 People are growing restless.

00:23:27.000 Their businesses are closing.

00:23:28.000 They are losing their life savings.

00:23:30.000 Their kids are not in school.

00:23:31.000 Young people are suffering from depression and suicide, alcoholism, drug usage.

00:23:35.000 And I just, I'm going to be very honest with you guys.

00:23:38.000 I think that we as citizens have played way too patient the last couple months.

00:23:41.000 We're allowing our civilization to decay in front of us.

00:23:44.000 Dr. Gold, what are some pragmatic steps that need to happen?

00:23:47.000 Who needs to do what, when, for this to this nonsense to be reversed?

00:23:52.000 First of all, everybody needs to stop calling this a pandemic and a virus that we're responding to.

00:23:58.000 We are in the situation we're in because of the lockdown and because of rules that the governors are putting into place.

00:24:03.000 We are essentially at the end of the pandemic.

00:24:05.000 When you look at all the worldwide curves, we're flattened.

00:24:08.000 We're very far at the tail end of this.

00:24:08.000 We're at the bottom.

00:24:11.000 The problems now are man-made, political-made.

00:24:14.000 They're made by different governors who are putting in place very restrictive, onerous restrictions that are essentially unconstitutional.

00:24:20.000 And I want to emphasize as doctors that these lockdowns are so harmful for people's health.

00:24:24.000 They're harmful for their physical health.

00:24:26.000 They're harmful for their psychological health. 1.00

00:24:27.000 And we know that this is a fraud because the group that they're focusing on so much, the fools, is particularly ludicrous. 0.99

00:24:34.000 There really is no problem for children. 0.97

00:24:36.000 If you didn't lock down last year for influenza, then why in the world would you be locking down this year for COVID, which has a much lower death rate than influenza?

00:24:44.000 It makes no sense.

00:24:45.000 It should be obvious to everyone that this is not scientifically based.

00:24:49.000 And citizens, honestly, I think, Charlie, need to rise up and refuse to comply with these procedures.

00:24:54.000 As a practical matter, if you're living in a state where your schools are closed, under no circumstances should you be participating in that.

00:25:00.000 You should pull your children out of school.

00:25:02.000 You can form micro schools.

00:25:03.000 I've heard you talk about that.

00:25:04.000 You can get together with five families.

00:25:05.000 My friends are like, oh, that's a lot of work.

00:25:07.000 It's not a lot of work compared to them sending your kid home every two weeks when some kid in the class tested positive.

00:25:13.000 It's easier to be a structured online schooling environment.

00:25:16.000 You can control the situation.

00:25:18.000 They can be in class online 9 to 12, 9 to 1, then they can do sports during the afternoon or see their friends.

00:25:23.000 You need to not participate to the extent that you can pull yourself out of government mandates that make no sense.

00:25:29.000 So, Dr. Gold, I want to just follow up with you really quick.

00:25:31.000 Can you give an update on how you're doing?

00:25:33.000 Your website kept on getting pulled down.

00:25:35.000 I believe you got fired from your job because you spoke out.

00:25:38.000 A lot of our audience cares deeply about you.

00:25:40.000 Can you give some sort of update?

00:25:42.000 Are you doing okay?

00:25:44.000 Thank you.

00:25:45.000 As a matter of fact, I'm honored by the overwhelming support.

00:25:48.000 And to give that love back to the people, we put on our website, which I had to rebuild.

00:25:53.000 And if you can find it now under AFLDS, the acronym for America's Frontline Doctors, you can actually find a way to find doctors.

00:26:01.000 What's the website again?

00:26:02.000 Hold on.

00:26:02.000 It's AFLDS, America's FrontlineDoctors.com.

00:26:09.000 Okay. 0.86

00:26:10.000 A-F-L-D-S dot com. 0.98

00:26:12.000 And you can look for the HCQ map.

00:26:15.000 And on there, you can find your state.

00:26:17.000 And if you scroll down, you can find a telemedicine doctor who's hydroxychlorica-knowledgeable, promises to our hydroxychloroquine knowledgeable, and you can help yourself.

00:26:25.000 Because Charlie, and everybody who's listening, if you let go of the fear, knowing that there's treatment available, should you need it, you'll be able to go back to your normal life and shrug off the dictatorial edicts of our governors.

00:26:37.000 Dr. Rose, you want to add to that?

00:26:39.000 Also, what are we missing from our leaders right now?

00:26:43.000 I want to add on to what Dr. Gold said because she's spot on.

00:26:47.000 But I've been looking at what I get from my medical society, what I've been seeing from my board.

00:26:53.000 And the interesting thing is every medical society, and so people, I hope everyone's paying attention because this is a way to take your country back tomorrow.

00:27:01.000 Every medical society, every board has a COVID-19 task force, and they list the names of those physicians on the COVID-19 task force.

00:27:14.000 Every county doctor that's making recommendations to a county judge has a medical license and you will know who that doctor is.

00:27:20.000 And they list their names.

00:27:23.000 I think, Charlie, and I'm not a big fan of this, but I think this is what it was designed for.

00:27:28.000 If the American people, if you have a loved one that COVID-19 tried to get hydroxychloroquine and were denied.

00:27:38.000 I think the best way to understand what's going on would be to get with an attorney, class action.

00:27:44.000 You know who these doctors are that if they're making the recommendations, then I think they can support that.

00:27:50.000 They can support that because in discovery, you can find out if they have written that prescription for anyone, because all prescriptions are electronic.

00:27:59.000 You don't have to know who they wrote it for, but you can find out if they're recommending not using it, but writing it.

00:28:04.000 I think we need to know if they've had it written for themselves.

00:28:07.000 Because I know several doctors who have gone along with saying we can't write it, who have written it for themselves, family members, et cetera.

00:28:15.000 So I think the time is, look, in medicine, it's primerum non-nece.

00:28:21.000 First, do no harm.

00:28:23.000 And the best way to understand how county judges are talking to county doctors is in an open, in a request, if it has to be in a courthouse or an open information act request, why don't you find out their emails and who they're talking to?

00:28:37.000 Is there a front group pushing them?

00:28:39.000 Send an email to info at AFLDS.

00:28:44.000 We are actively looking for plaintiffs.

00:28:46.000 Those would be patients who've attempted to get hydroxychloroquine whose pharmacists said they wouldn't fill it, or doctors who've been writing for it and were thwarted by pharmacists.

00:28:56.000 We are actively looking for those plaintiffs.

00:28:57.000 Info at AFLDS.com.

00:29:00.000 I think that would be our next growth industry as you're going to see people on in about two, three months going, did you try to get hydroxychloroquine and were denied?

00:29:09.000 But not just the doctors, but the medical societies, the boards empowering them.

00:29:16.000 Here's the thing, Charlie.

00:29:17.000 What you're seeing from the Lancet, what James showed so clearly, is you're seeing corruption at the highest level, and no one seems to care.

00:29:27.000 The guy that was the first author on that paper still has a job.

00:29:31.000 And I got to tell you, I mean, anyone that's been in academic medicine, that wouldn't happen.

00:29:36.000 We're canceling people for words.

00:29:40.000 And these folks put those words in a journal, told us it was true.

00:29:45.000 And I think possibly, I'll use their special language, cost thousands of lives.

00:29:52.000 Dr. Tadaro, according to a FOIA request, and this is citing Pastor Rob McCoy.

00:29:57.000 Dr. Rose and I both know him quite well.

00:29:59.000 He said that a FOIA request in Thousand Oaks, California revealed that there were 102 deaths with the Chinese coronavirus, but only two of the Chinese coronavirus.

00:30:09.000 Now, this, Dr. Rose could talk about this in a second because I know he's familiar with this data as well.

00:30:13.000 But I'm just opening this as a broader conversation, Dr. Tadaro.

00:30:17.000 Are all these numbers should we take exactly as they are being told?

00:30:20.000 Or is there a difference between dying with and dying from?

00:30:24.000 What are we missing here when it comes to how we're interpreting the data and communicating the data?

00:30:29.000 Yeah, so absolutely.

00:30:30.000 There's dying with COVID and dying from COVID.

00:30:33.000 And especially when you're talking about people in nursing homes for maybe near the last stretch of their life, you know, they have a very high mortality rate with or without COVID.

00:30:43.000 And so you have to determine that we already know, and we've had health commissioners in different states say this, that patients will die of something that is obviously not COVID, but because they have COVID, that's their diagnosis.

00:30:55.000 That goes as another notch on the death list for COVID.

00:30:59.000 So that's absolutely happening across the board.

00:31:01.000 I think looking back, we'll be able to compare kind of all-cause mortalities and see how many are, you know, really from COVID and make those assessments comparing, let's say, 2020 to like the averages in 2017, 2018, 2019.

00:31:15.000 But yeah, there's absolutely, I think that there's an exaggeration of deaths from COVID-19.

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00:31:58.000 So, Dr. Tadaro, can you talk also about other deaths that we are seeing?

00:32:03.000 I mean, another issues that you might be analyzing from your position of suicide, alcoholism.

00:32:08.000 Are there other health issues going on that we might have self-inflicted here because of the lockdowns?

00:32:14.000 Absolutely.

00:32:15.000 At our frontline doctor summit, there's a great talk by a psychiatrist who is seeing many of these families and children who are dealing with these lockdowns.

00:32:22.000 And it's no surprise, and this has a huge effect on kids, on my kids.

00:32:26.000 You know, everyone's now, these kids are afraid of this invisible disease.

00:32:30.000 They're not allowed to go hug their grandparents anymore.

00:32:32.000 They're not allowed to play with other kids.

00:32:33.000 If they do, you have to keep a mask on a two-year-old in a lot of these, in a lot of states, which is just unbelievable.

00:32:40.000 And it's, you know, it's having a psychological impact on kids, on adults.

00:32:44.000 Most, a lot of people are drinking more.

00:32:45.000 You're sitting at home.

00:32:46.000 You're now out of a job, maybe.

00:32:48.000 And so, absolutely, you're seeing this.

00:32:50.000 And this child psychiatrist was talking about how kids are fighting more with their siblings.

00:32:54.000 They, you know, aren't entertained by, you're not going to school anymore.

00:32:57.000 And so it's absolutely having a huge, huge dramatic effect on those processes.

00:33:02.000 Simone, what are your thoughts on that?

00:33:06.000 There's no question.

00:33:07.000 In terms of the lockdown, the lockdown is so harmful to Americans.

00:33:11.000 There's 150,000 cancer screenings that went missing.

00:33:14.000 I mean, the list is just endless.

00:33:16.000 You know, I just, maybe I'm being too general, but this whole thing is just such a hoax.

00:33:22.000 It reminds me of the fable when we were young, the emperor has no clothes.

00:33:26.000 The emperor has no clothes.

00:33:28.000 There's no reason for us to be living like this.

00:33:31.000 The disease affects people severely who have multiple comorbid conditions.

00:33:36.000 Also, frequently, they're much older.

00:33:38.000 Those patients are in jeopardy if they come down with COVID.

00:33:41.000 But the vast majority of Americans are not in jeopardy if they come down with COVID.

00:33:44.000 And if they do test positive and they do have symptoms, we have medication that works.

00:33:48.000 So I don't even understand what this is.

00:33:50.000 And Americans need to start understanding that their way of life is being threatened for no reason.

00:33:57.000 I like to sometimes say there could be a reason to act like this.

00:34:00.000 That reason would be a disease like smallpox.

00:34:02.000 Smallpox is very lethal, very contagious.

00:34:05.000 All right.

00:34:06.000 This is not that.

00:34:07.000 COVID-19 overwhelmingly does not kill people.

00:34:10.000 Overwhelmingly.

00:34:12.000 And I'm not saying it doesn't exist.

00:34:13.000 I'm an emergency doctor taking care of many patients with COVID.

00:34:16.000 But the ones that do badly are the ones that are near the end of life due to multiple comorbid conditions.

00:34:22.000 Yeah, I mean, and I've lost a friend to the virus.

00:34:24.000 It's a real thing.

00:34:25.000 But Keith, and it's a tragic thing.

00:34:29.000 But however, Keith, you made the argument to address it.

00:34:33.000 Since when have we ever quarantined the healthy?

00:34:36.000 Whose idea was this?

00:34:37.000 I mean, I just looking at this as a non-scientist, I'm just logically, I can't even come to the conclusion.

00:34:42.000 I just sure the lockdowns and the social distancing, a lot of folks, if they heard our first podcast back in April, know that a lot of these ideas came out of that paper out of New Mexico, where one of the author's daughter, who was actually second author on the paper, wrote a paper in high school on social distancing and talked about, it was back during the Bush administration, talked about the potential, how you would treat a pandemic.

00:35:09.000 And it was her idea.

00:35:10.000 I think that's where they got social distancing and possibly lockdown.

00:35:14.000 But Charlie, the thing that every American should look at is why do we have so much unwishful thinking?

00:35:21.000 Why are we ignoring what's right in front of our eyes?

00:35:24.000 And why are we pushing that even harder?

00:35:26.000 Because what we can't ignore, what these county judges have done with these lockdowns, here are the hard facts.

00:35:34.000 We know there's a 35% increase in domestic abuse because we have people that are home with their abusers and they can't leave.

00:35:42.000 We know we have massive increases in suicides, overdoses, alcoholism.

00:35:48.000 We know that when people are afraid, they dump cortisol in their body, which is a... will cause exacerbation of very common diseases and make them much worse.

00:35:58.000 You know, if you read, there's a journal called Modern Healthcare, and basically it's a business medical journal.

00:36:04.000 Hospitals are posting record numbers as far as revenue because people aren't seeking care.

00:36:13.000 I mean, someone even went off to say that basically COVID-19 has made it better for heart attack patients and strokes.

00:36:19.000 No, they're just too afraid to go in and be seen and they're dying at home.

00:36:24.000 May I add something, Charlie, about the quarantine issue?

00:36:26.000 People forget that I'm a lawyer.

00:36:27.000 I went to Stanford University Law School.

00:36:29.000 There is no legal precedent in our country for quarantining the healthy.

00:36:32.000 It simply doesn't exist.

00:36:33.000 It's unconstitutional.

00:36:35.000 There's a case directly on point in California.

00:36:37.000 California Supreme Court ruled on this exact issue.

00:36:40.000 In the era of bubonic plague around 1900, there's a case named Juho.

00:36:44.000 The plaintiff's name is J-E-W-H-O.

00:36:47.000 And in that time, the public health commissioner of San Francisco tried to lock down 12 city blocks because there were 15 cases or so of bubonic plague.

00:36:56.000 And this went all the way up to the California Supreme Court.

00:36:58.000 And the California Supreme Court said, no, you cannot lock down, I think it was 12,000 healthy people from socializing and going to work and living their lives because there's bubonic plague in the area.

00:37:08.000 It cannot be done.

00:37:09.000 There is no legal precedent for allowing the government to quarantine healthy people.

00:37:15.000 And there's plenty of legal precedent saying we cannot.

00:37:17.000 There needs to be court cases brought, even though COVID-19 will be over.

00:37:21.000 We need those precedents established because it's clear to me that COVID-19 is merely a dress rehearsal.

00:37:26.000 We need those precedents established so this cannot happen again.

00:37:30.000 Charlie.

00:37:31.000 Yeah, go ahead, Dr. Rosan.

00:37:32.000 I want to ask Dr. Todaro something.

00:37:33.000 Go ahead.

00:37:34.000 Dr. Gold spoke about smallpox.

00:37:37.000 At the start of this country, there was a smallpox epidemic.

00:37:41.000 The British were, they weren't affected because they were all immune, but the colonists were.

00:37:46.000 And Washington had to make the decision whether to try to immunize the army or not.

00:37:51.000 And he actually made it illegal to immunize the army, which they would scrape a scab and they would use a needle and immunize each other.

00:37:57.000 Then he realized he was losing most of the continental forces or potentially was going to lose them.

00:38:02.000 So he allowed for immunization.

00:38:04.000 He reversed course.

00:38:05.000 He recognized what was going on and he reversed course.

00:38:08.000 And that's a disease that kills a third of everyone that gets it.

00:38:11.000 He could have wiped out the whole army, but he did it for the chance to fight for freedom.

00:38:17.000 And I think we need to remember that there is a risk benefit to everything.

00:38:22.000 The risk of COVID-19, we're finding out, is less and less every day.

00:38:27.000 And there's more and more therapeutic options.

00:38:30.000 But the benefit of getting out and starting up our economy is critical.

00:38:34.000 And we need to get out and start up.

00:38:37.000 Everyone should just go out. 0.94

00:38:38.000 There should be mass civil disobedience, open the country.

00:38:43.000 And that's the only way we're going to get back or we won't have the chance for that freedom.

00:38:47.000 So Dr. Todaro, can you tell us just from looking at the data?

00:38:50.000 Maybe you don't have it available, but I'm sure you have some idea of the death rate this year versus the death rate the last couple years.

00:38:56.000 Have we seen an increase in the death rate at all?

00:38:58.000 Or has the death rate been somewhat unchanged?

00:39:03.000 So this is something that I've just started diving into recently.

00:39:06.000 It's been a busy week.

00:39:07.000 But it looks like compared to 2019, so the first 32 weeks of 2019 versus 2020, that there is an uptick in the number of deaths in this year compared to last year.

00:39:16.000 I have not compared this to 2018 or 2017.

00:39:21.000 I think there's no doubt that COVID-19 caused some degree of excess mortality.

00:39:25.000 The question is, how much?

00:39:27.000 And I'm actually looking forward to doing that data analysis over the next few days.

00:39:31.000 I do have something I want to talk about, though, that has to do with lockdowns.

00:39:35.000 It's actually a piece of, I think, really good news that the mainstream media is not covering and not giving near the amount of attention it should be.

00:39:42.000 And this has to do with T cell immunity, herd immunity.

00:39:45.000 Okay, so this is a very active area of research that's been going on for the past four to eight weeks.

00:39:49.000 Okay, and it's around T cells.

00:39:51.000 And from a high level, T cells are part of the adaptive immune system that helps you respond to specific diseases.

00:39:57.000 You have B cells for antibodies and then T cells.

00:40:00.000 And what the new research is showing is that T cells from blood samples from before the pandemic, so blood samples from people from 2019, when exposed to SARS-CoV-2, the novel coronavirus, the T cells are specifically reacting to that, to the new virus.

00:40:17.000 And what this implies is that there's a degree of protective immunity for a large percentage of the population.

00:40:23.000 And these studies vary on the exact percentage, but it's around 50%.

00:40:27.000 And so this is critically important because this means about 50% of people might have some degree of immunity versus coronavirus.

00:40:33.000 And so the immune system is very complex.

00:40:36.000 And the T and T cell immunity is just one part of it.

00:40:38.000 But if you take this knowledge, this new research, and plug it into what we're seeing in the real world, it starts to make sense.

00:40:45.000 You know, one of the big questions is why are nearly 50% of people asymptomatic yet test positive for coronavirus?

00:40:52.000 Well, do they have the T cell immunity that's being able to attack those infected cells and eradicate them before the person even develops symptoms?

00:40:59.000 Now, this has huge implications on herd immunity because if someone's asymptomatic, there's a much lesser chance they're going to spread the disease.

00:41:06.000 So we have 50% of people that are partially or maybe even fully protected from the disease.

00:41:11.000 You don't have to reach that 60 to 70% that so many infectious disease experts and epidemiologists were talking about.

00:41:17.000 So they all said you have to reach 60 to 70% of people infected to reach this herd immunity threshold.

00:41:22.000 And that's a lot of people infected.

00:41:24.000 But what we're seeing in the real world is it's not hitting that level.

00:41:26.000 We're seeing city after city around the entire world hit about 20% prevalence based on antibody testing, then cases begin to decline.

00:41:34.000 Deaths begin to decline.

00:41:35.000 And this happened in Lombardy.

00:41:37.000 This happened in London, Madrid, Geneva, New York City, Stockholm.

00:41:42.000 And the lockdown advocates will sit there and say, oh, well, that's because we did lockdowns and masks.

00:41:47.000 But we all know lockdown mandates and masks came at different times, yet so many of these areas hit the 20%.

00:41:52.000 And we know as a control, and I'm sure you've talked about it, this Sweden did not mandate lockdowns, did not mandate masks.

00:41:59.000 And again, Stockholm, 20% infected, cases began to decline, deaths began to decline.

00:42:04.000 And today there's less than one death per day in Sweden.

00:42:07.000 And so if you combine this 50% that have some partial or full immunity already prior to the pandemic to about 20% that are newly infected, you now have a decent percentage of the population that may be partially or fully immune to coronavirus.

00:42:21.000 And so this would mean that many parts of the country, especially the areas that were hardest hit, might be able to open up safely.

00:42:28.000 And this could be New York City and so many other cities around the world that aren't seeing that second wave in deaths.

00:42:34.000 And so I think this is huge.

00:42:36.000 In addition to the new therapeutics we have, this information needs to get out there.

00:42:39.000 And it's being suppressed both at the mainstream media and censorship on Twitter, but also actually at the level of academic journals.

00:42:48.000 So there's biomathematicians that put out a great study looking at evaluating the mathematical models for why they're hitting 20%.

00:42:54.000 Their article is rejected from every scientific journal.

00:42:57.000 And the reason being, and the journal said this, she quoted in her tweet, is that it's because we don't want to give people the idea that maybe it could justify reopening.

00:43:08.000 That's a nice science.

00:43:10.000 You have to be able to discuss science openly.

00:43:12.000 And so that's the level of suppression that's going on.

00:43:15.000 Go ahead.

00:43:16.000 The T cells will open the schools, Charlie, too.

00:43:19.000 Is exactly what James is saying.

00:43:21.000 The T cells start in the bone marrow, they go to the thymus, and they go from the thymus out in the body.

00:43:27.000 And the T cells, a lot of kids are exposed to different, there's several types of coronavirus.

00:43:32.000 There are four types that are just basically the common cold.

00:43:35.000 And that's what those T cells recognize.

00:43:37.000 And that's why I think we're not seeing a lot in younger and more, it's worse than older because the thymus will involute and shrink over time as a person gets older.

00:43:46.000 So the T cell research that's being done now is one of the strongest pillars for opening schools, showing that kids have prior immunity.

00:43:55.000 And it not only makes sense, it just fits perfectly scientifically in what we know with our body chemistry.

00:44:03.000 Yeah, I'm going to talk really plain and simple.

00:44:07.000 Kids have more T cell activity than grownups.

00:44:10.000 And guess what?

00:44:11.000 Kids are not getting sick from this.

00:44:13.000 Connect the dots.

00:44:15.000 Exactly.

00:44:16.000 So I want to ask something about getting immunity.

00:44:19.000 Either Dr. Keith or Dr. Gold, some people are saying in Hong Kong, someone's getting the virus twice that they've gotten, is that possible?

00:44:28.000 Has that ever happened in the case of viruses?

00:44:31.000 There's more and more news articles that are saying this.

00:44:35.000 If you look at the studies, and I'm probably, Smoan probably knows more about this than I do, but the studies I've looked at where they're getting the virus twice.

00:44:41.000 Again, what does getting the virus mean?

00:44:44.000 Is that a positive test?

00:44:45.000 Because we know that the test, a lot of them are false positives, or they test for shredded virus or broken up viral particles.

00:44:53.000 We're not seeing repeat infections.

00:44:56.000 And you can look in countries that weren't locked down.

00:44:59.000 Sweden has a great study just showing that and showing the graphs.

00:45:02.000 In fact, if you look across the board right now, the greatest case for immunity is looking at every group and every state that's not locking down hard and opening up because all their death rates are going down.

00:45:14.000 When you look at positive case, it doesn't mean anything.

00:45:17.000 You have to look further than that.

00:45:18.000 It's just a vanity metric.

00:45:21.000 Go ahead.

00:45:21.000 I just keep it really simple.

00:45:22.000 Like the exception proves the rule.

00:45:24.000 Do you understand?

00:45:25.000 That, you know, people get influenza A, sometimes they also get influenza B, but they can recover.

00:45:31.000 Overwhelmingly, people recover from this virus or they were asymptomatic to begin with.

00:45:35.000 So I have a few things I want to say.

00:45:36.000 Tyler Kick, you're really on top of things because this press release, I think, just came out today, yesterday.

00:45:41.000 So what he's talking about, what he's talking about, is a person from Hong Kong who was infected with coronavirus from March, got reinfected in August.

00:45:49.000 So 142 days later.

00:45:51.000 I think there's some important parts of this.

00:45:53.000 So he had experienced the disease in March.

00:45:55.000 He was symptomatic.

00:45:56.000 This most recent time of reinfection, he was asymptomatic.

00:46:00.000 Okay, no symptoms.

00:46:01.000 All he had was an inflammatory marker that bumped up a little bit, hypokalemia, which is, you know, low potassium.

00:46:06.000 And then he had, he developed IgD antibodies right after that.

00:46:10.000 So that's the only evidence they really had that he had a second infection.

00:46:13.000 It's really important to note it was asymptomatic.

00:46:15.000 He likely had T cells, maybe not even the antibodies, but the T cells was able to fight this infection before it actually developed symptoms.

00:46:24.000 And I have not seen any evidence that he actually spread that disease to other people.

00:46:27.000 I did not see that in the press release, but that's kind of what I'm talking about: herd immunity: you have the people that, even if they're reinfected, they're able to eradicate the disease without symptoms.

00:46:35.000 They're not coughing.

00:46:36.000 They're not projecting the viral particles to other people and getting others infected.

00:46:40.000 So let's go really quick, Dr. Rose, let's go around the horn.

00:46:44.000 So we'll go to Dr. Rose, Dr. Gold, and then we'll finish with one more final comment.

00:46:49.000 Go ahead.

00:46:51.000 Well, I think, you know, I had H1N1.

00:46:53.000 I was in the Middle East in 2009.

00:46:56.000 And so I kept a whole file on it because I was really sick and I thought I was going to die.

00:47:02.000 I just found that file the other day and it was interesting from the CDC and from our state medical association said that it was in November and I'll send it to you because I have it.

00:47:12.000 It said, we don't need to test anymore for H1N1.

00:47:16.000 If you find a patient, just treat them.

00:47:19.000 They didn't even want to know who was positive or not.

00:47:22.000 So, why?

00:47:23.000 And that was a horrific disease by young people.

00:47:27.000 Really quick, they say it's because you can be an asymptomatic spreader. 0.99

00:47:30.000 That's what they said made this one different, but it's actually true.

00:47:32.000 Well, they say a lot, but I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

00:47:35.000 I'm just saying this is what they say.

00:47:36.000 The only problem is an asymptomatic spreader doesn't produce enough viral load in the studies that actually look at it.

00:47:43.000 And if you're not producing viral load, the only asymptomatic spread, which is probably 24 to 48 hours prior to active symptoms, is on a spouse or an intimate contact, not in the workplace, not in the school.

00:47:55.000 So, the asymptomatic spreader, just to use a plain term, is not really a thing.

00:47:59.000 And to continue with that, the CDC finally, finally just came out saying you should not test asymptomatic people.

00:48:06.000 How do you like that?

00:48:07.000 That just came out.

00:48:08.000 They're finally catching up. 0.98

00:48:09.000 Obviously, you should not be testing asymptomatic people. 1.00

00:48:12.000 There's all these kids at school that are now being tested and they're being kept out.

00:48:15.000 So, number one, don't get tested if you're asymptomatic.

00:48:17.000 Even the CDC says that.

00:48:18.000 If I could just circle back really quickly, I wanted to say something about vaccines that I neglected to say earlier.

00:48:25.000 The reason I'm very reluctant to put all my faith in vaccine, even though the president keeps touting the vaccine, is although the government can rush the scientific process to a certain extent, when you're giving a medication, which a vaccine is to a very large group of asymptomatic people who are healthy, you're taking a healthy population and you're looking for subtle, maybe late side effects.

00:48:53.000 There is no substitute for waiting a good length of time to discern if there were subtle side effects that took a few years to show up or relate.

00:49:02.000 There's just so much the government can do.

00:49:04.000 They can rush the test tube process, but they cannot rush the observation period.

00:49:09.000 They may make it legal, but that's not the way a drug should be given to people who are asymptomatic, healthy, and were not going to be threatened by this virus in the first place.

00:49:20.000 You should not be taking an untested, unproven medicine if you're healthy and there's no threat to you.

00:49:27.000 It should go through the process.

00:49:28.000 And may I just say that vaccine, all vaccines companies are completely shielded from any legal liability should something go wrong.

00:49:36.000 That is not something to rush.

00:49:39.000 So, I guess let's just leave this as an open.

00:49:42.000 We'll go around the horn.

00:49:43.000 Unless Dr. Todaro, do you have anything you wanted to add to that?

00:49:47.000 No, I think they covered it pretty well.

00:49:48.000 So, let's go, let's just start with Dr. Rose, then Dr. Gold, then Dr. Todaro.

00:49:52.000 What can people do?

00:49:53.000 What questions should they ask?

00:49:54.000 Because people are saying, What do I do?

00:49:56.000 Where do I get things?

00:49:57.000 How do I get information?

00:49:58.000 People feel helpless and they feel confused, and you can't blame them for that because they're getting so much incredible disinformation.

00:50:06.000 Stalk, start with you, Dr. Rose, Dr. Gold, then Dr. Todaro.

00:50:11.000 Every state, Charlie, every state board and every state's medical oversight has different rules.

00:50:19.000 So, they need to check on their state board, their state oversight committees, and find out what can and can't be done.

00:50:26.000 And then they need to have a talk with their physician because they have the right to request treatment.

00:50:31.000 And as long as in Texas, as long as we document everything and we talk to them and they request treatment, we can treat them.

00:50:38.000 And you need to hold people accountable.

00:50:42.000 And I mean that with all due respect.

00:50:44.000 And they go to Dr. Gold's website.

00:50:47.000 Sounds like they have a lot of information about what's going on.

00:50:51.000 And just to put hydroxychloroquine in perspective, penicillin allergies kill one person a day or 33 people a month.

00:51:01.000 That's what we've seen across the board.

00:51:03.000 Hydroxychloroquine doesn't.

00:51:05.000 And it's all about a risk benefit.

00:51:08.000 When I go South America and I take hydroxychloroquine, I take it two weeks before, all during that time and four weeks after, and no one seems to have a problem when I take it or when I give it to my children or when I give it to family members.

00:51:23.000 So you need to ask questions.

00:51:25.000 Don't just be, don't look to CNN, MSNBC, but ask the heart questions and sit down with your doctor and tell them, look, I need to know, and physicians need to pay attention too.

00:51:36.000 We have a responsibility.

00:51:37.000 Well, the only problem I have with that, Dr. Rose is they sit down with their doctor.

00:51:40.000 I've met plenty of doctors that disagree with everything that has been said this whole hour.

00:51:44.000 So I kind of disagree, just to push back a little bit.

00:51:46.000 So what do they do, Dr. Rose, if they're doctor?

00:51:48.000 You got to find a doctor.

00:51:49.000 Okay.

00:51:49.000 You got to find one that we can.

00:51:50.000 No, and that's where Dr. Gold can come in.

00:51:52.000 I'm just saying, and I completely agree with what you're saying, but I mean, I get these emails from doctors saying how irresponsible I'm being for having you guys on my show.

00:52:00.000 Just to give you an idea. 0.97

00:52:02.000 Yeah, and they're cowards. 0.99

00:52:03.000 Of course. 0.99

00:52:05.000 So let me just share my perspective.

00:52:06.000 I agree with you completely, Charlie, that a lot of doctors have drunk the Kool-Aid.

00:52:10.000 Doctors are also citizens of America living in a country that has been having a massive disinformation campaign.

00:52:17.000 I love America and I love its people.

00:52:19.000 The website is there to empower you.

00:52:21.000 Listener, if you're listening, you can go to my website and you can find not only the laws and regulations that Dr. Rose is talking about in your state, you will find a telemedicine physician who understands these issues.

00:52:32.000 Now, if you live in a state that does permit hydroxychloroquine, which you can see right away on the map and you don't want to change your doctor and your doctor doesn't know, you should print out the white paper that's under the reference tab and share it with your physician.

00:52:45.000 It lays out all the information.

00:52:47.000 It is true that some doctors have so drunk the Kool-Aid that they can't see clearly and you really should not go to doctors like that.

00:52:52.000 But there, I do believe there are a lot of physicians who are not knowledgeable and would be open to learning the information.

00:52:58.000 You can actually bring your own doctor the white paper and help yourself.

00:53:02.000 There's also a lot of videos under the tab Summit.

00:53:05.000 You can watch a video as it applies to you.

00:53:07.000 If you've got kids that are school-age, you can watch the video about kids.

00:53:09.000 If you've got a healthy older parent or a sick older parent, you can watch that video.

00:53:14.000 A lot of stuff.

00:53:15.000 A-F-L-D-S.com.

00:53:18.000 Yes.

00:53:18.000 Sorry about the awesome.

00:53:19.000 You're great.

00:53:20.000 Dr. Todaro.

00:53:22.000 So it's not a simple answer.

00:53:24.000 And it really comes down to every patient, the general public, staying informed.

00:53:28.000 And the way to do that is, again, not watching CNN, MSNBC, mainstream media.

00:53:33.000 Anything they give you is going to be superficial and probably just disinformation.

00:53:37.000 So you're going to have to digest things from other sources.

00:53:39.000 These types of podcasts, little long-form conversations where you can better understand what's going on, are the America's Frontline Doctors website.

00:53:47.000 I have a website, medicineuncensored.com, where I put a lot of the research that's coming out on this stuff.

00:53:52.000 The second thing is, if you don't feel like your doctor is being open-minded to whether it's a therapeutic or advice in general on hydroxychloroquine, for instance, fire them.

00:54:04.000 Go to a new physician.

00:54:05.000 Do you want that closed-minded physician who's maybe going to be managing your care in a hospital if you do get sick?

00:54:11.000 Like you have options to see different physicians a lot of times.

00:54:14.000 They should do that.

00:54:14.000 And that would put pressure on these physicians to maybe stay a little bit more informed.

00:54:18.000 And I know physicians hate this, and many don't like patients to come in with, you know, evidence or whatever on certain therapeutics and stuff because they're always like, oh, well, what does the patient know?

00:54:28.000 But there's so much difference of opinion among doctors out there that doctors need to be able, need to deal with this new evidence.

00:54:35.000 And patients need to put pressure on them.

00:54:37.000 One last thing.

00:54:37.000 It's just kind of newsy.

00:54:38.000 I just saw an alert pop up on my email here about plasma.

00:54:41.000 Does anyone want to take that, Dr. Gold?

00:54:43.000 Is there efficacy to this?

00:54:44.000 Is there hope in here?

00:54:46.000 What do you think, Dr. Gold?

00:54:47.000 It's just really newsy.

00:54:49.000 So I want patients to have all options.

00:54:52.000 I want these decisions to be made between the doctor and the patient.

00:54:55.000 Convalescent plasma has its place.

00:54:57.000 I want to emphasize that it's useful in the late stage of the disease.

00:55:01.000 Hydroxychloroquine is useful in the early stages of the disease.

00:55:05.000 If you were not treated properly with hydroxychloroquine and zinc early and you unfortunately are hospitalized and very sick, you would want to receive plasma, but you would also want to receive high antibody dose plasma.

00:55:17.000 And I just, it's much more complicated and it's for the late stage.

00:55:21.000 So it is a valid therapeutic.

00:55:23.000 It should be available to doctors.

00:55:25.000 But hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, butenicide should also be available to doctors.

00:55:30.000 Thank you.

00:55:30.000 Dr. Rose, any other closing thoughts?

00:55:34.000 Just what Simone triggered something in me, and that was hospitalized and when you take the medication.

00:55:41.000 A lot of medical societies and a lot of state medical associations say they don't recommend it in hospitalized patients and people are taking that across the board.

00:55:49.000 It's a medication, hydroxychloroquine, to take early.

00:55:53.000 And so just when you hear certain studies or certain people talking, look and see if they say it doesn't work or could possibly not work.

00:56:02.000 Everyone seems to be wordsmithing a lot these days.

00:56:05.000 So it's really up to the patient to be informed.

00:56:08.000 And I love what James said.

00:56:09.000 If your doctor's not taking care of you, you have the right firing and go find someone who will.

00:56:14.000 Well, thank you guys so much.

00:56:15.000 This has been an amazing update.

00:56:17.000 Unfortunately, the country remains largely locked down.

00:56:19.000 Children not in school, college football canceled, and lots of fear.

00:56:23.000 But I think that people need to keep on tuning into this podcast and follow all three of you guys.

00:56:27.000 So it's Dr. Rose, Dr. Dodaro, Dr. Gold, and AFLDS.com.

00:56:32.000 God bless you guys so much.

00:56:34.000 Hope to see you soon.

00:56:35.000 Thank you for joining our program.

00:56:36.000 And hopefully in two weeks, let's do another update of all this nonsense that's happening.

00:56:40.000 So God bless you guys.

00:56:41.000 Thank you.

00:56:42.000 Thanks a lot.

00:56:42.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:56:45.000 What a great podcast that was.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - August 27, 2020

3 Doctors Speak Out — The Update You Have Been Waiting For

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