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00:00:52.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:05.000We wanted to start off Sunday with that incredible worship service and also now a pastor's panel because what's really happened the last nine months in our country is the church has been deemed non-essential.
00:01:17.000And these three pastors have stood up for freedom and for liberty at great personal expense to all of them in different ways.
00:01:28.000And I've had the opportunity to speak at both Jürgen and Rob's church.
00:01:31.000I hope to be able to speak at David's church soon.
00:01:34.000So David Engelhart is from New York City.
00:01:39.000Well, you should all go to David's church.
00:01:41.000So David, I had an opportunity to get to know a couple months ago.
00:01:46.000And David came out very vocally against Black Lives Matter, BLM Incorporated, saying that this is not what Christians should be supporting or getting behind.
00:02:00.000And David is very, very courageous and is in great, is in great, let's say, company here on this panel.
00:02:11.000And of course, Pastor Rob, my pastor from Calvary Chapel, Thousand Oaks, Rob opened his church completely back in May and has never looked back and has had an unbelievable couple months really bringing people into the church and fighting for freedom and liberty.
00:02:29.000So David, why don't we start with you?
00:02:47.000I think you're an inspiration to every young person out here because so many young people out here are understandably a little bit skittish to confront this BLM Incorporated nonsense.
00:02:58.000Tell us why you did it and kind of explain to us the biblical backing.
00:03:02.000Yeah, so I, you know, we planted a church in New York City two years ago.
00:03:23.000We actually had the opposite of that until last spring.
00:03:26.000And not only culture, but pastors and churches were saying these outlandish things like everyone in your church is a racist, independent if your best friend is a black person.
00:03:57.000And the truth is, God, in Christ, in faith, you know, Galatians says that in faith we are the sons of Abraham, that we are a part of a new nation, and we're joined together as one.
00:04:08.000If you look at secular systems like socialism, axiomatically, from the beginning, it's about dividing you and telling you you have something that someone else doesn't have, and it's their fault that you're in that position, right?
00:04:21.000So there's this division that takes place.
00:04:25.000God says to Eve, He says, He says, Excuse me, the serpent says to Eve, He says, God has this amazing fruit, and He doesn't want you to have it.
00:04:34.000You're a dirty little human being, and if you ate it, you would become like Him and you would be empowered.
00:04:39.000Do what you're not supposed to do for your own empowerment.
00:04:43.000And that is what this movement is calling.
00:04:45.000It's based on narcissism, it's based on avarice and greed.
00:04:48.000It's all about me, my own position, my own wealth, my own power.
00:04:53.000And it's completely in contrast to the scripture, which is that we are for one another.
00:05:05.000And that's the message that so many pastors and many big churches around the country are preaching.
00:05:10.000And we're saying, no, it's exactly the opposite of that.
00:05:13.000In the family of faith, in a community of faith, we're for one of each other or one another to our own hurt, to our own pain.
00:05:21.000And once that message, that's the cross, right?
00:05:23.000Jesus to his own pain, for our own blessing, for our own salvation.
00:05:28.000And declaring that created an amazing opportunity to say, no, we're for something totally different.
00:05:34.000And this real, really ideological, cold civil war that we're in the midst of right now, there's a real clarity to see who is on the good guy's side and who's on the bad guy's side, breaking stores, looting, destroying places, especially in a city like New York.
00:06:20.000The people in charge that, quite honestly, they do not have any form of peace about their future destination.
00:06:30.000They want to divide our country at all costs.
00:06:34.000So we just asked the question: basically, every single hand just went up.
00:06:38.000So these are fracturing of real relationships that have happened where before this BLM incorporated nonsense, which is evil, by the way, and they're a terrorist organization, and we should be unafraid to call them that.
00:06:51.000Before they came onto the stage, I grew up in an America.
00:06:56.000I know this might be stunning for a lot of our high school kids here, where we actually really didn't care about race.
00:07:04.000I know this is a stunning thing for our high school students to hear about, but I went to a high school that was 53% English as a second language.
00:07:12.000It was a very diverse high school in the suburbs of Chicago, Wheeling High School.
00:07:16.000I think we have some 214 kids here somewhere.
00:07:20.000And what was amazing is that people from all different walks of life, different countries represented, we got along incredibly well without any sort of 1619 project nonsense, critical race theory, because there was actually this belief that your skin color is kind of irrelevant and your character matters.
00:07:42.000Now we teach our children the exact opposite.
00:07:45.000Now we tell kids your character is nothing.
00:09:12.000It would be no different if we were in a library or if we were in the local, you know, kind of, you know, swimming pool.
00:09:19.000The point being is that we don't control this building.
00:09:23.000So if I was in charge, I would open the doors and let every single human being in the county into this room, okay?
00:09:28.000So, and I just want to say, our staff is doing an unbelievable job.
00:09:34.000There have been the moving of goalposts and a lot of things that have been changing.
00:09:37.000And so thank you for granting us grace and thank you for granting us some understanding and patience.
00:09:43.000Our staff literally did not sleep last night.
00:09:45.000We had thousands of people show up day of yesterday.
00:09:49.000And so I just want to say that if it was up to me, we'd have it looking like Rob's church where people are just on the, you know, up on the rafters.
00:10:27.000If your church isn't open at this point, you need to find a new church.
00:10:33.000And the reason why I say that is watching church online is like watching a fireplace online.
00:10:40.000You can see it and hear it, but you don't feel the warmth.
00:10:44.000And in addition, the church is supposed to be the place where liberty is proclaimed.
00:10:49.0002 Corinthians 3:17 says, Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there's liberty.
00:10:55.000And when you're yielding to tyranny and government that says the church is non-essential, it's time to stand in opposition to that.
00:11:05.000And the church has become so culturally relevant, they become irrelevant.
00:11:10.000You post your black tiles and you think that you are doing a service for humanity, it's time to dismiss that church and find another one because they don't have a clue what they're talking about.
00:11:23.000And I'll leave you with this last thought, Charlie, because I know you have more questions.
00:11:27.000Matthew 16, Jesus takes his disciples to Caesarea Philippi.
00:11:32.000And pay attention to this, especially folks not churchgoers, just to understand where we're coming from.
00:11:37.000Matthew 16, Jesus takes his disciples to Caesarea Philippi, and he says, Who do men say that I am?
00:11:42.000And they say, some say you're John the Baptist, others say you're Jeremiah.
00:11:45.000He says, but who do you say that I am?
00:11:46.000Peter says, You're the Christ, the Son of the living God.
00:11:48.000And for our Catholic brothers and sisters, that's that papal authority you hold to.
00:11:53.000And Jesus says to Peter, upon this rock, I will build my, and everyone says, church.
00:12:12.000And Charlie and his brilliance, as we've been studying this together, isonomia and eleutheria were the two words that always hung above the door of the ecclesia in Greek culture.
00:12:24.000The citizens would meet to decide the laws for their community.
00:12:28.000And isonomia and eleutheria are liberty and equality.
00:12:34.000The church is supposed to be in the public square.
00:12:39.000Our founders understood only a moral people can govern a republic.
00:12:43.000And when the churches are silent and not pushing back on tyranny, we've got a huge problem in this nation.
00:12:50.000And if you're attending one of those churches just because you like their climbing wall or their smoke machine or the cool worship, give it a rest and move on.
00:12:59.000Find a place that makes disciples of good citizenship so that you can help people understand what a republic is and start to infuse it with laws that bless humanity.
00:13:10.000So a lot of people will say that was terrific, Rob.
00:13:13.000How many people have heard that Jesus was a socialist?
00:16:41.000What God does is what our founding fathers did.
00:16:44.000They understood that the wealth and the resources of any land flow towards whoever's in authority, whether that's a president, whether that's a pharaoh, whether that's an emperor, whether that's a king.
00:16:59.000So what God does is he gives power to ordinary people.
00:17:04.000America, our founding fathers says, instead of us putting power and authority in a king, power and authority in a, we're going to put the power in we the people.
00:17:15.000Do you know that up until America, the world was predominantly the few govern the many.
00:17:22.000And the people that were rich were the few and the many were the peasants working in the field.
00:17:27.000But because of our founding fathers following a biblical pattern of inversion, putting the power not in the potentate, but the power in the people, Americans went from poverty to what we call the middle class.
00:17:40.000America has lifted more people out of poverty than all the nations of the world combined in history up until now.
00:17:49.000Jesus was not a socialist, but you know who was a socialist?
00:18:38.000So David, in the couple minutes we have remaining, can you talk just about how critical it is that young people stay involved in this fight?
00:18:47.000Also, what you see and what this gathering means to you.
00:18:53.000You and I were talking backstage of its critical importance historically.
00:18:58.000And also kind of just some marching orders for people that want to get further engaged in this fight.
00:19:05.000So I would say that as far as critical importance, I've been seeing this phrase, a cold civil war that we seem to be engaged in ideologically.
00:19:14.000We just had our elections stolen by ideologues, right?
00:19:19.000And I just feel like through Charlie and through the movement, you guys are going, we're going to win.
00:20:08.000And it's essential as you guys, and I really mean this, are raised up in a position of kingship.
00:20:14.000And Revelation tells us that in faith that we all are kings and priests with God our Father through the Lord Jesus Christ.
00:20:23.000And as you're raised up, my challenge to you guys, my marching orders are: please tether yourself to the priest.
00:20:30.000Please tether yourself to a moral core that's based in eternity, not based in the fickle traditions or an immediate battle that we want to win, because often we lose the war by doing bad things to win the battle.
00:20:47.000So, Rob, I'm going to ask you to wrap up with a non-political question.
00:20:53.000But you went around and gave young people relationship advice for years, and you have a very good talk on it.
00:20:59.000So, as you know, take as much time as you need in 30 seconds.
00:21:04.000But no, you have a little more time than that.
00:21:07.000But just, I didn't have to actually, I think that a lot of young people are wondering exactly how am I supposed to proceed in this world because the kind of predominant culture in high school and college is definitely in one direction and actually creates really miserable people.
00:21:26.000God created us as relational creatures, and there's two genders.
00:21:32.000I know a lot of folks are confused about that.
00:21:37.000The idea from God's perspective is when a man loses his life, he gains it.
00:21:43.000We'd be created different in these two genders.
00:21:48.000We're unique creatures, but we get to understand each other when we lay our life down.
00:22:12.000She could be opening up a gift on her birthday.
00:22:14.000The room would be crowded like this, and none of you would have a clue, but I could tell by the movement of her eye whether she loves a gift or hates it because the two have become one.
00:22:23.000And it happens when you serve one another.
00:22:29.000But when you deny yourself, pick up your cross, serve one another, you find a relationship that stands a test of time, and kids are blessed, and the building block of culture is established.
00:22:39.000And the reason why people don't want to have kids anymore is because they require selflessness.
00:22:44.000And the definition of a father is a man who carries pictures in his wallet of his kids where his money used to be.
00:22:57.000And I got five kids and very little money, but I wouldn't give a single one of them back.
00:23:02.000And the last story: my dad died of Alzheimer's.
00:23:08.000He had three tours of Vietnam, highly decorated Navy captain, senior executive vice president of a major bank.
00:23:15.000He was a good provider and he was a good man.
00:23:20.000He was president of the Rotary in the Chamber of Commerce, and he would take you on the tour of the house as a coping mechanism for his Alzheimer's.
00:23:28.000And I didn't need a tour of the house.