00:00:47.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:46.000And it was the number one news story at CPAC.
00:01:49.000Everybody was talking about it at CPAC.
00:01:51.000Every single media row booth I went to, every person I talked to, it was all about Russia invading Ukraine.
00:02:00.000Charlie, what are your thoughts on Russia invading Ukraine?
00:02:02.000And I was saying the same thing over and over again, but little did I realize I was saying something that was actually rather heterodox, contrarian.
00:02:10.000I was saying that, look, this is not right, which we've been very clear about.
00:02:15.000You shouldn't use your power just because you want more land.
00:02:18.000Now, there is an argument that people make, and I think there is some truth to it, but I think it's largely overblown that Russia was provoked into doing this.
00:02:26.000With that, all that being put aside, you shouldn't invade a smaller, weaker country, even if you are provoked.
00:02:32.000But the provocation is definitely something that should be talked about.
00:02:36.000Poking the Russian bear, Lindsey Graham, coming out and saying we're going to play offense against Moscow.
00:02:41.000So here was my speech the day after the invasion.
00:04:21.000The Greta Thunberg lookalikes told me in the media, play cut 116.
00:04:26.000You see, we are a nation in multiple crises right now.
00:04:29.000The U.S. southern border matters a lot more than the Ukrainian border.
00:04:34.000Now, I'm not defending the actions of dictators halfway across the world.
00:04:38.000What I'm saying, though, is when your own country has fallen apart, I don't want to hear lectures about why we need to send our troops halfway across the world when we are being invaded.
00:05:57.000Economic assistance is making Ukraine's resistance possible by supporting the home front, funding critical public services, and helping keep the government running.
00:06:08.000In the coming months, we expect to provide around $10 billion in additional economic support for Ukraine.
00:08:13.000The fact that the national security apparatus is able to listen to phone calls from the commander-in-chief when he's trying to negotiate a diplomatic goal, somehow they're able to record that phone call and leak it and use it.
00:08:29.000I never understood why that was acceptable.
00:08:32.000But remember the entire impeachment trial with Alexander Vinman, who, by the way, is now soliciting the Ukrainian government as a defense contractor.
00:08:41.000There is something about Ukraine that should have factored into our decision.
00:08:46.000But obviously, Republicans say we have to fight Putin.
00:08:49.000This is the most important proxy war since World War II.
00:08:54.000You, their voters, think that this is getting wildly out of control.
00:09:00.000This war is becoming less and less popular by the day.
00:09:03.000Our predictions a year ago are coming true: that there will be no lid on the money.
00:09:10.000We are on pace to spend a trillion dollars.
00:09:13.000We are on pace to send a trillion dollars.
00:09:15.000In fact, Ukraine is saying the World Bank has come out via Ukraine.
00:09:19.000They said we need at least $350 billion to rebuild our country, at least minimum.
00:09:25.000So, hey, America, you're going to have to pay for that.
00:09:28.000Hey, get trains at work, a plane infrastructure that can get planes up into the sky, southern border that isn't porous economic assistance.
00:09:40.000The amount of Americans who believe the United States, I'm Republicans, I'm sorry, that give too much aid to Ukraine has steadily increased since March.
00:09:48.000The popularity of the war is upside down.
00:09:50.000I do want your thoughts, Freedom, at CharlieKirk.com because you're largely a conservative audience, but your Republican lawmakers are the most enthusiastic supporters, are some of the most enthusiastic supporters for this proxy war in Ukraine.
00:10:05.000Why are they not listening to their voters?
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00:12:14.000You could call it the Socratic method.
00:12:16.000You could just saying we're going to ask rational questions.
00:12:19.000We also have an inherent distrust when the media and the government, celebrities, and private interests are all singing in harmony about the same issue at the same time.
00:12:34.000And so we just, we've been asking the same questions from the beginning.
00:12:42.000Is it somebody worth protecting or supporting?
00:12:48.000The same thing we asked the question, by the way, for ivermectin or for hydroxychloroquine or for treatments.
00:12:57.000And so here's another very simple question: Has the risk of nuclear war increased or decreased because of our involvement in the proxy war?
00:13:07.000Should we care more about our southern border or more about a foreign border?
00:13:43.000So again, I ask the question without abstractions and without mentioning World War II.
00:13:49.000Can you do this without mentioning World War II?
00:13:51.000Because not everything is like World War II.
00:13:52.000And let me take a second to address this.
00:13:55.000The most common talking point that I receive in favor of America's role to support Ukraine against Vladimir Putin is immediately saying, Charlie, you're Neville Chamberlain and Vladimir Putin is Hitler.
00:16:54.000Do you want me to prove to you that Putin is restrained?
00:16:57.000Do you want me to prove to you that Putin does not want war against the West?
00:17:03.000Joe Biden called Vladimir Putin before he took a train to Kyiv.
00:17:09.000If you really thought Vladimir Putin was a madman and you really thought that he was Adolf Hitler, would you take a train to Kyiv and give him a heads up that you were going there?
00:17:20.000No, the West in Washington, D.C. know that he is not Hitler, but they use that as a reason to try to justify your support of this proxy war.
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00:19:41.000Let me just conclude the argument I was making and then I want to dive deeper into the Ukrainian-Russian situation and ask the question, if we were even to win the proxy war, what are you going to do at the country?
00:19:51.000Do you really want to be in charge of a place like Ukraine?
00:19:54.000Like, that's a very, very simple question.
00:19:58.000So, well, be careful for what you want.
00:20:00.000It would be called a Pyrrhic victory, which is a victory that inflicts such a devastating toll on the victor that it's basically a defeat, similar to Afghanistan or Iraq.
00:20:12.000Okay, but we talk about World War II way too much.
00:20:22.000And I think there's a lot of reason for this.
00:20:23.000I think World War II is legitimately one of the most incredible, one of the most dramatic, multi-continent, multiplayer, good versus evil moments in all of geopolitical and military history.
00:20:52.000Lots of casualties, chemical weapons, trench warfare.
00:20:58.000World War II was obviously messy, too.
00:21:00.000It's not to say that one war was messy and one wasn't the other, but World War II had public dynamic players from Stalin to Mussolini to Hitler to Franklin Delano Roosevelt to Churchill.
00:21:13.000I mean, you have almost a central casting there that makes it very interesting, easy to track.
00:21:20.000Unlimited amounts of movies have been made about it, books, research papers, people talk about it a lot.
00:21:26.000But not everything that happens today can be accurately compared to what happened in World War II.
00:21:36.000And this is really important because NATO and the post-World War II order was an outgrowth of what happened in the late 1930s and early 1940s.
00:21:51.000One of which, which is very important, is this idea of deterrence and trying to never appease the person that you hate.
00:21:59.000Let me be very clear: Hitler was someone you should never, ever get close to appeasement with.
00:22:11.000No, he's not even close, not even in the same realm, not even in the same dimension of the evil that we saw in the attempted rise of the Third Reich in the 1930s.
00:22:24.000And it's a sloppy comparison, and they use it to try to get themselves power.
00:22:33.000Now they say, well, Charlie, you know, Adolf Hitler wanted to recombine the former Rhineland, the former German, the German lands and German-speaking people.
00:22:47.000Doesn't Putin want to do the same thing?
00:22:58.000Xi Jiping wants to do it right now in China.
00:23:01.000Heck, America, we fought lands over our territories too of things that we thought were ours.
00:23:07.000I want to play a piece of tape here of Mersheimer, a professor.
00:23:11.000We've played this a couple times on our program, and he accurately predicted six years ago why we should not get involved in Ukraine and Russia.
00:23:21.000And again, if you are in support of giving Zelensky money, if you are in support of the war in Ukraine, I want you to send me an email, freedom at charliekirk.com, and tell me why, but you're not allowed to reference World War II.
00:23:37.000Give me a moral or historical argument without mentioning World War II.
00:23:45.000But I actually think that what's going on here is that the West is leading Ukraine down the primrose path.
00:23:52.000And the end result is that Ukraine is going to get wrecked.
00:23:57.000And I believe that the policy that I'm advocating, which is neutralizing Ukraine and then building it up economically and getting it out of the competition between Russia on one side and NATO on the other side, is the best thing that could happen to the Ukrainians.
00:24:10.000What we're doing is encouraging the Ukrainians to play tough with the Russians.
00:24:15.000We're encouraging the Ukrainians to think that they will ultimately become part of the West because we will ultimately defeat Putin and we will ultimately get our way.
00:24:41.000But in the last year, the United States has already provided $32 billion in military aid, $13 billion in economic assistance to keep the bills paid, and nearly $2 billion in humanitarian assistance.
00:24:53.000In all, Congress has greenlit $113 billion for Ukraine through September.
00:26:08.000And one of the most delicious and hilarious public relations responses was Creighton Beryl saying, yeah, that's not our policy.
00:26:19.000All of these apparatches from Bill Crystal to the Weekly Standard was like, well, you know, just like they say at Creighton Beryl, if you break it, you buy it.
00:26:29.000So you invade Iraq, you got to rebuild it.
00:26:31.000And then Creighton Beryl comes back and they're like, yeah, that's actually not our policy.
00:28:28.000I believe firmly to get public opinion against Russia, they had to lie about Russia's involvement in the 2016 presidential campaign to try to get Americans to unnecessarily hate Russia because they didn't like Trump, but they wanted to say if it wasn't for Russia, Trump would not be president.
00:28:50.000So then there's Lady Graham saying, we're going to go back to D.C. and build the case against Russia.
00:28:56.000And 90 days later, Donald Trump has Robert Mueller looking into Russian interference in the Trump campaign.
00:30:57.000But the fact that China is being more vocal about a peace plan proposal than the United States is a disgrace.
00:31:07.000And U.S. taxpayers are footing the bill for this prolonged war.
00:31:12.000Now, of course, China does not mention that Russia invaded a sovereign country because that would then jeopardize their soon military incursion of Taiwan, the beautiful isle.
00:31:29.000It is literally Taiwan is known as, is actually used to be called by the Portuguese, if I remember correctly, the Isle Isla de Hermosa, if I remember correctly, the beautiful island.