The Charlie Kirk Show - 9 Doctors Speak Out

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00:01:37.000 Hey, everybody.

00:01:38.000 Welcome to this very special episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:41.000 I have been very outspoken recently against lockdowns, and I'm wearing a mask on my chin because if I don't, this wonderful establishment that we're in right now will be shut down due to local quasi-fascist orders and against masks.

00:01:56.000 And everyone always says, Charlie, you're not a doctor.

00:01:58.000 You can't talk about these things.

00:01:59.000 So that's why I decided to find a couple doctors that know their stuff in all sorts of different verticals and places of expertise.

00:02:07.000 First, I want to just say thank you to Dr. Simone Gold.

00:02:10.000 You've become a friend over the last week.

00:02:11.000 We had a lot of fun on my podcast last week.

00:02:15.000 And also, you had quite a day and went very viral.

00:02:21.000 Let's just start with this.

00:02:22.000 There's videos of all of you that had millions of views in just a couple of hours, and they were taken down because they were being told they weren't true.

00:02:31.000 Can you just fill us in on how things are going or not going?

00:02:36.000 Yes, so we came here to talk to the American people directly because of issues like censorship.

00:02:41.000 So it's in the height of irony that we would de-platformed from Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter within hours.

00:02:48.000 My understanding is there's at least 20 million views, and then we would de-platform that the president's son tweeted it, and then he was taken off of Twitter.

00:02:56.000 So this is actually part of what I mentioned to you last week about medical cancel culture.

00:03:00.000 This is real.

00:03:01.000 And we feel this very personally as physicians because people ask us, why don't you speak up more?

00:03:06.000 And the truth is we try.

00:03:08.000 We try, and that's why we're here.

00:03:09.000 I'll leave this to whomever wants to answer At first, but I've always understood science to be an exercise in trying to challenge dogma, right, and trying to actually find truth through using the scientific method.

00:03:22.000 Is that not allowed anymore?

00:03:23.000 We're not allowed to have those kind of discussions?

00:03:27.000 Yeah, I can answer that.

00:03:29.000 I guess in some sense, that's what we all feel.

00:03:32.000 All of us here at the table feel like science and truth should win out always.

00:03:37.000 Unfortunately, there's others that are basically carrying on more or less what I call right now.

00:03:43.000 Particularly, you've seen statements from the editor of The Lancet, the editor, the former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine, actually discussing this and saying how much pressure there was from the pharmaceutical industry on the journals to publish articles that maybe didn't get vetted as much as they could.

00:04:00.000 So it's really hard to really have a lot of respect for our major journals when they publish studies that are completely fabricated.

00:04:08.000 So, you know, I don't know if people know this, but a major study was published with data from 671 hospitals, 93,000 patients, captured 60 of 63,000 patients in the United States saying they had billing records, their medical records all going to a cloud.

00:04:28.000 It was six continents.

00:04:29.000 The study was completely fabricated.

00:04:32.000 So it's really hard for us to think science is winning out in our medical community right now because that actually stopped a bunch of trials, for instance, right now, with hydroxychloroquine, because fabricated data was allowed to make it into the marketplace and change the minds of many in the world, including the World Health Organization.

00:04:52.000 So it's pretty easy to sit here and say, is there something smelling badly?

00:04:57.000 Yeah, obviously is.

00:04:59.000 So doctor, can I follow up with that?

00:05:01.000 Are there people that have a vested interest in trying to make sure that hydroxychloroquine is not being used?

00:05:07.000 Well, let me say it this way.

00:05:09.000 You know, I don't have a crystal ball, but yes, the answer is yes.

00:05:12.000 Clearly, there are pharmaceutical companies that won't do so well because, in a sense, in essence, hydroxychloroquine works like a vaccine in some sense.

00:05:21.000 It's very pro, in very low doses, is prophylaxic.

00:05:24.000 In an early disease, it's incredibly effective.

00:05:29.000 So that makes the need for a vaccine a lot less.

00:05:32.000 And interestingly, we had a lecture yesterday, and the mechanism and endosomal acidification basically that occurs with all RNA viruses, especially airborne RNA viruses, is one that basically makes hydroxychloroquine an effective vaccine-like treatment for almost any airborne RNA virus, including the flu virus.

00:05:55.000 So I think there's some vested interest there that would be not happy about that, but the data is what it is.

00:06:02.000 So, doctor, you went viral in a righteous indignation way.

00:06:07.000 And first of all, for all of our audio listeners, because most of our distribution is audio, I am sitting around a table with, I think, seven doctors, eight doctors.

00:06:18.000 So I'm very much outnumbered.

00:06:20.000 But in a good way, I have to say, Doctor, you spoke out in a very specific way about hydroxychloroquine and how we are being deceived.

00:06:31.000 Yeah.

00:06:31.000 Tell us about that.

00:06:32.000 I'm Dr. Emmanuel.

00:06:35.000 I'm Dr. Emmanuel.

00:06:36.000 And there are a few things that kind of made me the perfect candidate to talk about this.

00:06:40.000 I grew up in Africa.

00:06:41.000 I'm from Cameroon, West Africa.

00:06:43.000 And I went to medical school in Nigeria.

00:06:45.000 And we took care of patients with malaria.

00:06:49.000 And I'm kind of used to the drug of all the chamoquin, flavoquine, mefloquine, all the queens. 0.94

00:06:55.000 We gave it to children, to old people, to pregnant women.

00:06:58.000 And we took it Sunday, Sunday at home.

00:07:00.000 We call it Sunday, Sunday medicine back home.

00:07:01.000 We took it for prevention of malaria and stuff.

00:07:03.000 So I'm actually really comfortable with the drug, which is one of the things that I can, and sometimes I empathize with my colleagues that were trained here that have not really used this drug.

00:07:12.000 When they say, oh, it's going to kill you, everybody gets scared.

00:07:14.000 But it doesn't kill you because we took it, we gave it to children, it didn't kill them.

00:07:20.000 We gave it to 80-year-olds.

00:07:21.000 And my 80-year-old parents are on it right now.

00:07:23.000 They're on Flavoquin for malaria.

00:07:25.000 And I was like, Mom, just stay on that.

00:07:27.000 It will prevent you from catching COVID.

00:07:28.000 So I'm used to these drugs.

00:07:30.000 What am I going to say before God?

00:07:31.000 That I knew there was medication that works and I was too scared for my license. 0.61

00:07:35.000 I was too scared from some troll that's going to call me fake.

00:07:38.000 Yeah, I can't say, I can't do that.

00:07:40.000 So I have to do stuff that I can live with.

00:07:44.000 I don't know how doctors live with themselves sending patients home to die.

00:07:48.000 I just don't know it.

00:07:49.000 I couldn't do something that I could not live with.

00:07:51.000 So that is why when I jumped into it and I saw the effects, this is the thing.

00:07:55.000 In March, when I heard about hydroxychloroquine, somebody told me that was a friend, a pharmacist.

00:08:01.000 The pharmacist told me, I went and did some digging, found some articles by Dr. Fauci.

00:08:05.000 That's why sometimes I get really upset with Dr. Fauci.

00:08:07.000 I found some articles by Dr. Fauci that in 2015 I found in Harrison Book of Medicine.

00:08:13.000 And Dr. Fauci is a writer, one of the writers.

00:08:16.000 So I found these articles that it works.

00:08:18.000 So I started, I jumped into it and I was excited.

00:08:20.000 And of course, the results were dramatic.

00:08:22.000 When do you see people?

00:08:23.000 I have a hashtag called hashtag early hydroxychloroquine and zinc works.

00:08:28.000 If you give it early, within, if a patient shows up within two, three days of this disease, you give it early.

00:08:33.000 The effect is so dramatic.

00:08:35.000 I'm talking about in a day or two, these patients are well and hopping around.

00:08:39.000 It's so dramatic.

00:08:40.000 So I was excited.

00:08:42.000 And then instead of hearing everybody trying to knock me down and beat me, and there are doctors in Houston, all these loony leftist doctors in Houston threatening to sue me and threatening to report me to the board.

00:08:52.000 I was like, bring it on.

00:08:53.000 Bring it on.

00:08:54.000 But people can't even find it if they need it.

00:08:57.000 In Texas, we can.

00:08:58.000 You can.

00:08:59.000 Oh, yeah, we prescribe it all the time.

00:09:00.000 We have a few, you know, we have a few pharmacists that would, a few pharmacists would try to argue with you and tell you you shouldn't.

00:09:07.000 And I tell them, go read your pharmacy, but if my patient wanted to come see you as a pharmacist, they would have come to see you.

00:09:13.000 They didn't.

00:09:14.000 They came to see me.

00:09:16.000 So, doctor, I became made aware of you when you did a kind of ad hoc video walking through just what you were seeing in the emergency room.

00:09:27.000 Is that correct?

00:09:28.000 I have eight medical centers, and we had seen the culture was embracing this sort of fear and was scared.

00:09:37.000 Media was scared.

00:09:38.000 The community in Central California was scared.

00:09:41.000 And I said, well, you know, we need to talk about some raw data.

00:09:44.000 So we put our raw data out there.

00:09:46.000 At the time, we had done 5,000 tests.

00:09:48.000 We had had 6.5% positive with the nasal swab at the time.

00:09:51.000 Now we've done 26,000 tests and 14.9% of them are positive.

00:09:56.000 So we're seeing this thing is really growing.

00:09:58.000 But society, what I wanted to tell them was 99.8% of people who test positive do extremely well and have little to no symptoms.

00:10:09.000 So we were seeing thousands and thousands of patients and we were following them over weeks and saying, okay, I tested positive for COVID.

00:10:15.000 They have a little body ache, maybe a cough.

00:10:17.000 And within a week to 10 days, it's gone with no treatment.

00:10:20.000 Why isn't the media saying this?

00:10:22.000 They're focusing on the people over 60, multiple comorbidities that are having significant hospitalizations instead of everybody doing pretty well.

00:10:30.000 Yes, we've had death with it.

00:10:32.000 Yes, it affects the older.

00:10:33.000 Yes, we didn't protect our nursing homes very well.

00:10:36.000 But I wanted to talk about the vast majority of people.

00:10:39.000 I wanted to talk about the 99.

00:10:41.000 They got no media.

00:10:42.000 What about the 99.8 that did well?

00:10:45.000 Because when you control people with fear, there seems to be an agenda besides just communicating science.

00:10:51.000 So we came out in April with a press conference and I said, this is our data.

00:10:55.000 This is my interpretation of the data.

00:10:57.000 And it seemed to bounce all over the globe a little bit because people were looking for a little bit of sort of real data.

00:11:02.000 So that's where we got traction.

00:11:04.000 And your video had tens of millions of views until it was removed by YouTube.

00:11:09.000 Yeah, it hit like 5 million and YouTube said that's enough.

00:11:11.000 We've had enough fun.

00:11:12.000 And they pulled it down.

00:11:14.000 And they said we had said some things that didn't agree with the who, which I didn't know was the person who was guiding all healthcare information in the United States.

00:11:24.000 So apparently, your first question about the first, your First Amendment question about the ability to discuss medical information, that's a huge point because, you know, if in the last 20 years, we were able to have dissenting points and we would disagree, but we would, at the end of the day, not cancel each other out.

00:11:42.000 I didn't say silence that different opinion than mine.

00:11:45.000 And now that's what we're seeing.

00:11:46.000 So, doctor, I want to ask you, you are the original person who discovered the issue with the Lancet study.

00:11:53.000 And I'm probably not doing it justice describing it, but it ties into this broader point, which is, is there an agenda behind some of these studies?

00:12:01.000 And also an even bigger question, which people are starting to wonder.

00:12:05.000 And, you know, I had a conversation with someone I really respect, and they said, Charlie, you got to stop diving into all this conspiracy stuff.

00:12:12.000 They just, that's basically what they call every single one of you and what we're trying to do here, which is nonsense.

00:12:18.000 I mean, you guys are all doctors.

00:12:19.000 Can you tell us about what you discovered in the Lancet study?

00:12:22.000 First of all, for some of our listeners that are in their teenagers, tell them what the Lancet is and then the significance of what you discovered.

00:12:30.000 Sure.

00:12:30.000 So to even take a step back from that, you know, there's been this orchestrated attack, which I think most people that look at independent media sources can see has been going on against hydroxychloroquine.

00:12:41.000 And this actually started when, so I co-authored the first Google document that got tens of millions of views.

00:12:46.000 It was tweeted out by Elon Musk proposing hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for coronavirus.

00:12:50.000 This was back in March.

00:12:51.000 And that Google document was taken down.

00:12:53.000 Okay.

00:12:54.000 And again, the social media platforms, the World Health Organization is the authority, and anything that goes against them is subject to censorship.

00:13:02.000 Now, fast forward a couple months to May of this year and the Lancet.

00:13:07.000 So this is the second most prestigious medical journal in the world, about 200 years old.

00:13:12.000 It's only second to maybe the New England Journal of Medicine.

00:13:15.000 They published a study supposedly with 96,000 patients that showed that hydroxychloroquine increased your risk of dying by over twofold and then also increased your risk of lethal arrhythmias.

00:13:27.000 Sounds very bad, right?

00:13:29.000 To independent researchers, this study didn't make sense.

00:13:32.000 To the World Health Organization, they embraced it right away.

00:13:36.000 Almost immediately, they suspended all clinical trials on hydroxychloroquine worldwide.

00:13:42.000 Dr. Anthony Fauci went on CNN with Jim Schutto in an interview and said, in all likelihood, it looks like hydroxychloroquine causes cardiovascular problems right after this study was published.

00:13:52.000 It was independent researchers like myself who actually dug into the data, looked at who was providing this incredibly large data set, which was impossibly large.

00:14:02.000 And it was this corporation called Surgisphere.

00:14:04.000 And many of you heard, but the story, as I dug deeper in that, it was unbelievable.

00:14:09.000 It was almost clearly a shell corporation that had an erotic model for hire who was posing as a director of sales in one of their promotional videos, which it's unbelievable.

00:14:21.000 So, but like, this is hard for people to really process.

00:14:25.000 So, I want you to walk through it more deliberately, please.

00:14:28.000 That the Lancet organization, for lack of a return, the journal, yeah, which is supposed to be the gold star, something that we trust, published something which is supposed to be pretty, it's supposed to be peer-reviewed, right?

00:14:41.000 It's supposed to be something that is widely accepted from a company that has a vested interest to try to discredit hydroxychloroquine through a shell company using, you dig into it, they have some sort of bizarre, you know, almost like credit card fraud, you know, looking landing page, if you will.

00:15:01.000 This is what now is influencing the decision of billions of people.

00:15:06.000 So, you're exactly right.

00:15:07.000 So, the Lancet for medical professionals is like the Bible.

00:15:11.000 If something is published in the Lancet, it's like word from God itself alone.

00:15:17.000 To say that, go deeper.

00:15:19.000 Okay.

00:15:20.000 And so, when the study was published, this affected doctors' opinions everywhere, especially when the World Health Organization amplified this message by suspending all clinical trials worldwide, saying that hydroxychloroquine wasn't even safe enough for clinical trials.

00:15:32.000 Now, as Dr. Urso was alluding to earlier, in 2003, Richard Horton, he's the editor-in-chief of Lancet, and I believe he was at that time as well, complained about the influence that the pharmaceutical companies have, big pharma, over what's published in these journals.

00:15:49.000 And it's a real problem because most or a large percentage of their publishing revenue comes from these big pharma advertising and sponsorships.

00:15:57.000 So, there's a direct conflict of interest, which these journals are the gatekeepers to what's supposed to be supposed to be the gatekeepers to what's true and what's not in medicine.

00:16:07.000 And so, there is a tremendous financial incentive behind the scenes here for hydroxychloroquine to not work.

00:16:15.000 You know, for the immediate future, you know, Gilead with their drug remdesivir appears to be a real contender.

00:16:23.000 And, you know, just to put some number to this, when the president did his press conference on March 19th, where he dropped that bombshell announcement that hydroxychloroquine is a potential candidate for treatment of COVID-19, Gilead's stock right before that was at a local high, hadn't reached $85 a share for the previous two years.

00:16:43.000 Within hours after the president announced hydroxychloroquine, which was now being seen as a competitor to remdesivir, the stock plummeted 8.7% and continued to drop over the next week, erasing $21 billion from Gilead's market cap.

00:16:58.000 Okay, there's a lot of money at play here.

00:17:01.000 Hydroxychloroquine is a cheap, generic drug that's manufactured by over 10 facilities in the U.S. alone, very hard to prosper off.

00:17:10.000 And that's why independent physicians like us who care about patients, about people, about opening up the economy, are coming together to speak out for it.

00:17:19.000 But you won't hear this from a lot of the other parties that may have conflicts of interest.

00:17:24.000 So I want to zero on hydroxychloroquine.

00:17:26.000 Then I want to get into a couple other topics around because I don't want to spend too much time on the hydroxychloroquine issue.

00:17:32.000 But let's narrow in on this.

00:17:34.000 I know people that have got the virus.

00:17:38.000 They want to get hydroxychloroquine.

00:17:40.000 They refused to get it.

00:17:42.000 And they've heard your podcast, for example.

00:17:46.000 And tragically, I know people that have actually done very poorly and did not make it.

00:17:52.000 And I can only imagine what would have happened.

00:17:54.000 I don't know for sure, but that's a real thing that I've experienced.

00:17:59.000 And MAD doesn't even begin to articulate a feeling like that.

00:18:04.000 It actually just makes me really incredibly cynical and jaded about the world we live in.

00:18:09.000 And that's not a good place for any human being to be.

00:18:11.000 But Dr. Gold, can you build out further how it's possible that the patient-doctor relationship is now being violated by a third-party source?

00:18:23.000 Because call me idealistic, but I thought we lived in a world where the doctor actually had a private relationship with their patient and that some pharmaceutical company or some journal can't even interrupt it.

00:18:36.000 If you believe something is going to help your patient, you should have the freedom to be able to give them that, right?

00:18:42.000 Right.

00:18:43.000 So I've actually started this journey because of the violation of the doctor-patient relationship.

00:18:48.000 You know, that's a little sacrosanct area of free conversation.

00:18:54.000 It's actually been silenced in both directions.

00:18:57.000 The direction that's less obvious is that the patient is actually silenced because they have self-censored because of all the information that they themselves have heard from the media.

00:19:05.000 So, patients that would normally come in and say, oh, I saw this ad on TV for this medicine.

00:19:10.000 Is that something I should use?

00:19:11.000 Or my cousin's on this medicine?

00:19:13.000 Is that something I should try?

00:19:14.000 Patients don't feel that way about hydroxychloroquine.

00:19:17.000 They feel that it's bad and dangerous.

00:19:18.000 They don't want to talk about it.

00:19:19.000 They're done.

00:19:19.000 So they've self-censored due to the media disinformation campaign.

00:19:24.000 And this other side is the physician who knows, let's say you have a physician like us who understands that it works.

00:19:31.000 We are being threatened, sanctioned, censored.

00:19:34.000 So we should not discuss with our patients.

00:19:36.000 And I'll share with you, I think I said this to you previously, that at my own work, I was threatened with my job if I were to give hydroxychloroquine.

00:19:45.000 And much like Dr. Emmanuel, it was just impossible for me.

00:19:49.000 It never occurred to me that sitting and looking at a patient who needed a medicine, that I wouldn't give them the medicine.

00:19:55.000 Have you ever had an experience where you were threatened because you were prescribing anything ever?

00:20:00.000 No.

00:20:00.000 Never.

00:20:03.000 Yeah, I can attest to this.

00:20:06.000 So in this particular disease, yes, I've been reported to the board for giving hydroxychloroquine to patients to save their lives.

00:20:16.000 But in your decades of 100 years of combined medical experience sitting at this table.

00:20:24.000 And we do it all the time.

00:20:25.000 We use off-label medications.

00:20:27.000 We have a lot of humans constantly.

00:20:28.000 So a doctor in their office typically will give on-label prescriptions a good part of the time, but somewhere between 20 to 40% of the time, we're using drugs off-label.

00:20:39.000 So this is unheard of.

00:20:41.000 And the biggest problem is this drug is one of the safest drugs that we have.

00:20:47.000 So this should not be an issue.

00:20:50.000 And so, first of all, I want to thank all of you for speaking out because this is what courage looks like.

00:20:57.000 Secondly, everyone watching and listening to this should understand how tragic of a state America is in that this relationship has been violated and science has become a monarchy that if a certain person says something, we must listen to it.

00:21:14.000 So now I want to shift from the hydroxychloroquine issue and we could talk about how we can try and fix it.

00:21:19.000 And I think what you're doing helps fix it to actually something that always strikes me as rather contradictory.

00:21:26.000 So doctor, I was always told that there's something called the Hippocratic Oath where you say, first do no harm.

00:21:35.000 Were the lockdowns helpful for our society?

00:21:38.000 I'm Dr. Mark McDonald.

00:21:39.000 I'm a child psychiatrist practicing out of West Los Angeles and I see primarily children, but I also treat adults.

00:21:47.000 My opinion is that the shutdown, specifically the shutdown of the schools, was the single biggest mistake in the government response to this pandemic.

00:21:57.000 Since then, a confluence, I would say a sort of holy or unholy trinity of politicians, of media, of special interest groups like the teachers' unions, have, I think it's fair to say, conspired to keep people in fear.

00:22:18.000 We are in a pandemic, but it is not a medical pandemic.

00:22:21.000 Is it a pandemic of emotion, of fear?

00:22:24.000 People have been terrorized.

00:22:26.000 My patients come to my practice, if they even come at all, and they tell me that their kids are wetting their beds, they're scratching themselves while they sleep, they're attacking each other with knives at home in the kitchen while their parents go to work.

00:22:42.000 The children in my practice have suffered more than I've seen in my eight, nine years of private practice.

00:22:48.000 The lockdowns and the closures have not helped.

00:22:52.000 I do believe that there is a way out of this.

00:22:55.000 And I think that we've all, in the last 24 hours, everyone sitting at the table have conclusively shown that.

00:23:02.000 If we can remove the fear so that we can go back to our lives, removing the masks, the social distancing, the little stickers at Trader Joe's that tell us what direction of our cart to push in the store so we don't kill somebody on the opposite side of the peanut aisle.

00:23:17.000 All of these small liberties, small freedoms that have been taken away from us, if we can restore safety and a sense of comfort and trust by using this medication, then I think the fear can go away.

00:23:29.000 I think we can get back to our lives.

00:23:31.000 But the end game here, the end game for all of these parties that have moved and conspired to keep us down, to keep us locked in, is to remove every possible option and choice in our lives.

00:23:45.000 It's not just about closing the schools and closing the businesses.

00:23:49.000 It's also about removing the option to go to charter schools, to homeschool, to open your own business.

00:23:57.000 You now have to have a license in Los Angeles, a permit to post a sign on your business saying that takeout food is available.

00:24:05.000 And if you don't pay the permit fee, you get a ticket, $300.

00:24:11.000 So this is more than just about medicine and it's more than just about compliance.

00:24:16.000 It's really a much bigger issue.

00:24:18.000 It's a bigger issue that revolves around removing options.

00:24:21.000 It is tyrannical. 0.71

00:24:22.000 It is statist.

00:24:24.000 And we have to accept that that's what's happening.

00:24:26.000 We have to acknowledge it.

00:24:28.000 And we have to attest and affirm that as Americans, we are in the best position as individuals to make choices in our lives in consultation with our physicians and our families, period.

00:24:38.000 I can tell you that people that were marching in the streets four years ago, five years ago, in the Tea Party movement for liberty and freedom, and they were that great don't tread on me flag.

00:24:51.000 Some of them are staying at home and they're petrified with fear and they wear a mask to the bathroom.

00:24:55.000 And I'm not trivializing it.

00:24:56.000 I'm just saying there's a real, I look around at some of the liberty fighters from four or five years ago and they've just disappeared.

00:25:05.000 They're like, oh no, we have this shelter in place and this is the worst thing ever.

00:25:09.000 I want to get into that and then I want to talk about masks.

00:25:12.000 Any one of you can contribute to this.

00:25:14.000 Can you just give some scale on, and you were talking about this earlier, Doctor, but the scale of what we're dealing with?

00:25:21.000 Is this the worst pandemic in the history of the planet?

00:25:24.000 No, I mean, it's very helpful very helpful because I think that would be a good way to set terms.

00:25:28.000 Please, Doc.

00:25:29.000 Yeah.

00:25:30.000 So, you know, this is not the worst pandemic in the history by a long shot.

00:25:35.000 And I just want to refer to probably the most recent, very large pandemic, which was the 1968 Hong Kong flu.

00:25:42.000 And if you go back and you do some searches on microfilm, you'll find the headlines in the New York Times said 100,000 Americans have died from Hong Kong flu.

00:25:51.000 You'll find headlines that attest to its presence worldwide.

00:25:55.000 100,000 in 1968 would correlate to 150 to 175,000 today due to various factors.

00:26:02.000 And so right in the middle of the Hong Kong flu, when 100,000 Americans were taken, right, that was a summer of Woodstock.

00:26:10.000 There were no headlines even thinking of a thought in someone's head about postponing Woodstock.

00:26:17.000 And we're now at a situation where you shouldn't go to school, you shouldn't open a charter school, you can't talk to your doctor.

00:26:23.000 It's not a normal response.

00:26:25.000 This is not the only pandemic, and it won't be the last.

00:26:27.000 And one of the reasons we're here is because a lot of us think this is a preview of things to come.

00:26:34.000 Definitely want you to tell me more about that.

00:26:36.000 But let's complete the point on the data.

00:26:38.000 Any one of you, what are we dealing with?

00:26:41.000 Who's most at risk?

00:26:42.000 Yes, please, doctor.

00:26:44.000 More numbers, the better to help alleviate the fear, because I know a lot of people that are still completely paralyzed by fear right now.

00:26:50.000 So my name is Scott Barber.

00:26:52.000 I'm an orthopedic surgeon practicing in Atlanta, Georgia.

00:26:55.000 I've been practicing for about 20 years now, and I've been very much an advocate for free market medicine my entire career because I see how bureaucracy affects the doctor-patient relationship.

00:27:07.000 And nothing has really proven that to me more than this pandemic.

00:27:11.000 And I can tell you that over the years I've been fortunate.

00:27:15.000 I have five clinics in the Atlanta area.

00:27:17.000 I have a surgery center.

00:27:20.000 And so we have about 150 employees.

00:27:22.000 That's thousands and thousands of patient interactions, hundreds of surgeries.

00:27:26.000 And this pandemic is not the first problem that I've ever faced.

00:27:30.000 Meaning, as a doctor, you know, you learn things, but you don't learn everything.

00:27:35.000 And certainly you don't remember everything.

00:27:36.000 So when you're faced with a new problem, it's part of our job to reacquaint ourselves with the facts, to make decisions, to help present those decisions to our patients, and we move forward.

00:27:48.000 So when I first started hearing something through social media that something was going on in China, I made the decision that we needed to protect my PP ⁇ E.

00:27:56.000 I started thinking about suture and antibiotics and masks and gowns and things like that for my surgery center.

00:28:02.000 And so I talked to my people about making sure that we had enough of that.

00:28:06.000 And then I started following the numbers on WorldOmeter because the very next thing that was important to me is what is this virus and who is it affecting, right?

00:28:15.000 So I found out that it was a coronavirus.

00:28:17.000 It was presented to us as the novel coronavirus and it was constantly emphasized, novel coronavirus, as if we haven't seen coronaviruses before.

00:28:27.000 But everybody at this table knew what a coronavirus was before 2020.

00:28:31.000 We've all studied it and we're aware of what it can do, SARS, MERS, we've seen it in the past.

00:28:38.000 So you start looking at the World Health Organization saying that there was no human to human transfer.

00:28:43.000 Well, other coronaviruses have human to human transfer.

00:28:45.000 So right off the bat, I was like, something strange seems to be going on.

00:28:49.000 Then I started tracking the numbers in Italy and it became obvious very early that the disease was affecting primarily older people with comorbid conditions.

00:28:58.000 And I thought that was enormous information, but it never seemed to never seem to get presented in the media.

00:29:07.000 It was always more cases, more cases, more cases.

00:29:10.000 And I'm kind of looking at this going, this is actually good news. 0.98

00:29:12.000 We can protect older people with comorbid conditions and younger people can get out. 1.00

00:29:17.000 You were talking about you've done so many tests and it was about 14%, right?

00:29:22.000 Well, we know that coronaviruses never get herd immunity greater than 20% because when they get to 20%, they just hop into another vector, an animal, a cat, or something like that.

00:29:32.000 And so in the whole history of coronaviruses, we've never seen herd immunity greater than 20%.

00:29:37.000 We all know this.

00:29:40.000 Then they started talking about the lockdown.

00:29:43.000 Now, nobody here has studied lockdown because it's not a scientific measure to take.

00:29:50.000 In fact, I've been researching it since the virus came around and lockdown actually came after the H5N1 outbreak that never really turned into anything.

00:30:00.000 But President Bush actually commissioned a task force to ask how are we going to address this thing.

00:30:06.000 And so lockdown actually came from computer programmers doing modeling.

00:30:10.000 And we've seen how horrible modelings worked.

00:30:14.000 And so this went up through the bureaucracy and sort of became policy.

00:30:18.000 And, you know, doctors are like, what is this lockdown thing?

00:30:21.000 This has no basis in science.

00:30:24.000 And then the World Health Organization said 3.4% of us are going to die.

00:30:29.000 And I'm thinking to myself, a mortality rate of 3.4%, you don't need a PhD in statistics to know that you're only measuring the sickest of people.

00:30:38.000 Clearly, there are other people out there who have the disease and are not sick and are not being tested that are going to make that number much lower.

00:30:45.000 And of course, we now know that the CDC says that the mortality rate is 0.0.26%, more akin to the flu, which to me is amazing news.

00:30:57.000 But why is the media not reporting it?

00:31:01.000 Then the hydroxychloroquine thing, I know you don't want to touch on it, but I'm doing this.

00:31:05.000 I'm doing this as a daily thing.

00:31:07.000 I get up.

00:31:08.000 I go on the Georgia Department of Health.

00:31:10.000 I go on the CDC website and I go to WorldOmeter and I start looking at the numbers and I start counting for myself who's dying.

00:31:16.000 And it's always older people with comorbid conditions. 0.51

00:31:19.000 They started to do this thing with the Kawasaki's disease early on, that young children, it's a red herring.

00:31:25.000 And the point I'm trying to make is, as a private physician doing what I always do, which is I study and I research and I figure out to best treat my patients, it got harder and harder and harder for me to find proper information that wasn't contaminated by politics.

00:31:45.000 And so I had to work even harder to get these accurate numbers.

00:31:49.000 Now, my practice has been open now for the entire time.

00:31:53.000 I've been virtually not shut down at all.

00:31:55.000 I've made very small adjustments in terms of early on when I had older people that I thought might end up in the hospital.

00:32:01.000 I didn't do those cases, but I've pretty much been open the entire time.

00:32:04.000 And we haven't had a single incident.

00:32:06.000 Now, I've had people test positive, and I've had even a couple of people get sick.

00:32:09.000 I give them hydroxychloroquine and they get better.

00:32:12.000 And so I'm thinking to myself, this is real-life experience, and I'm not the only one.

00:32:16.000 I mean, we have doctors sitting at this table that we know that this is working.

00:32:20.000 And then when the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine, I don't think people can, I don't think we can underestimate just how monumental this is.

00:32:28.000 When the Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine posted research saying that hydroxychloroquine was not only ineffective, but that it was killing people, I knew that was false because by that time I had been studying for months and months and I was like, there's tons of research on hydroxychloroquine.

00:32:44.000 And then two weeks later, it gets retracted.

00:32:46.000 Now, anybody who's published scientific research like myself knows it is incredibly difficult.

00:32:51.000 It takes a long time to get the data.

00:32:53.000 Getting through peer review often takes years.

00:32:56.000 And now we're seeing studies come out, you know, in months.

00:33:00.000 Masks work all of a sudden.

00:33:02.000 Hydroxychloroquine is deadly all of a sudden after 65 years.

00:33:06.000 And so this sort of what we were talking about, this unholy alliance between media and politics and medicine has made it virtually impossible to practice.

00:33:17.000 And, you know, the importance of the New England Journal of Medicine and Lancet publishing that hydroxychloroquine was ineffective was that it led the World Health Organization to then suspend all studies on hydroxychloroquine.

00:33:31.000 And it gave people, governors and things like that, the ability to prevent use.

00:33:36.000 And also, in Georgia, I've been able to prescribe it, but during that time, when the FDA came out and said that it was dangerous, even if I wrote a script for hydroxychloroquine, it would not be filled by the pharmacist, which, by the way, the FDA doesn't have that power.

00:33:52.000 Once a medicine is FDA approved, it's up to the doctor and the patient to decide how to use it.

00:33:58.000 And what is so interesting, this is Dr. Gold again.

00:34:00.000 What's so interesting about what you're saying is that the WHO very quickly removed the studies from like Indonesia and other countries in the European Union, stopped studying it in response to the Lancet and the New England Journal.

00:34:12.000 Now, the Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine articles were retracted quite quickly, right?

00:34:18.000 However, the WHO did reverse itself eventually, but the state governors, which are restricting our ability to prescribe it, they never reversed course.

00:34:27.000 So they're standing with that statement that it's not effective based on fraudulent studies.

00:34:36.000 You guys know this.

00:34:37.000 I know people that are dying because they're not getting it.

00:34:40.000 So the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine are the number one in two or two in one medical journals in the world.

00:34:46.000 The number three is JAMA.

00:34:47.000 I didn't have time to share with you, but the JAMA study in April by author Borba is filled with fraud from top to bottom.

00:34:54.000 They gave super toxic dosage of the medication.

00:34:56.000 They gave two and a half times the lethal dose of the medicine.

00:34:59.000 And then they published that the medicine didn't work, right?

00:35:02.000 So many people died in a super lethal toxic dose.

00:35:05.000 They stopped giving, they stopped that arm of the study.

00:35:09.000 And now they're being criminally investigated for so many deaths.

00:35:15.000 Nonetheless, the headlines were that it's that chloroquine that doesn't work.

00:35:19.000 And the governors of the states are still restricting us based on these faulty and fraudulent studies.

00:35:25.000 And the other thing, too, that's important is, you know, we were talking about how difficult it is to get through peer review and to gather data and all this stuff. 0.86

00:35:33.000 It takes you five minutes as a doctor to read the study and go, this is ridiculous.

00:35:37.000 You know, I want to say, you know, the numbers better.

00:35:40.000 The New England Journal of Medicine had something like 637 hospitals over six continents and the Lancet, you know, three continents.

00:35:48.000 And, you know, it's so ridiculous when you looked at it that I can't explain how it possibly could have gotten through peer review.

00:35:55.000 Doctor and then doctor. 0.69

00:35:57.000 Yeah.

00:35:57.000 Well, Dr. Richard Orso again speaking, a couple comments about the numbers.

00:36:03.000 First of all, a comment about what Dr. Gold said.

00:36:07.000 I don't think people realize how poorly these studies were designed.

00:36:14.000 I think the best way I can say it is they gave, as she said, six times the normal dose as a loading dose.

00:36:22.000 And I always tell people the same thing.

00:36:23.000 What they proved in the study is that toxic doses are toxic.

00:36:28.000 We already knew that.

00:36:29.000 Why they chose those numbers, I have no idea.

00:36:31.000 There was a beautiful study done where they actually optimized the dose and they said, oh, you should load with 800 milligrams a day for the first day and then 400 milligrams for the next four days.

00:36:43.000 And that was an optimization study that was done.

00:36:46.000 In fact, they call it a major article in the Clinical Journal Infectious Disease that basically highlights how we're supposed to use this drug.

00:36:54.000 So they gave 2,400 milligrams.

00:36:57.000 It's insanely, I just can't say enough.

00:37:02.000 It's malfeasance.

00:37:04.000 I don't know what the right word is.

00:37:05.000 It shouldn't have happened.

00:37:07.000 And as she said, they're actually going after legally after the people in Brazil who did this.

00:37:13.000 And it should probably happen in other places.

00:37:15.000 The recovery trial, the solidarity trial, the remap study.

00:37:17.000 I call those the funeral trials.

00:37:19.000 If you were in them, you died.

00:37:21.000 All right, so real quick, this technical description is brilliant.

00:37:25.000 I want to make it super simple.

00:37:27.000 We were in eight hours of lecture yesterday with all these brilliant people.

00:37:30.000 And we saw nations with over a billion people who had almost no COVID.

00:37:36.000 And the doctor looking into it said, do you know why they have no COVID?

00:37:40.000 Because they're prophylactic.

00:37:42.000 They have a prophylaxing system of hydroxychloroquine.

00:37:45.000 He said, why do these systems, these nations with very poor health conditions and a billion people have no cases?

00:37:51.000 Why is nobody asking that?

00:37:52.000 And he said, it's because of prophylaxis with hydroxychloroquine.

00:37:56.000 I think that's easy for people to understand.

00:37:57.000 Why do they have no cases?

00:37:59.000 Let me explain, like, you know, in Nigeria, like one of the lectures I was given yesterday, COVID got to the U.S. the same time COVID got to Nigeria, and he did a really brilliant listing on it.

00:38:11.000 They got the same thing.

00:38:12.000 But you see, when the Chinese people left China and came to the U.S., they were not mandated by the CDC to be on malaria prophylaxis.

00:38:22.000 When they left Wuhan to go to sub-Saharan West Africa, sub-Saharan, they were all told to get on malaria prophylaxis.

00:38:30.000 So you see, so when people leave, when you're traveling, if I leave right now, I'm traveling to Cameroon, Nigeria, or any of the sub-African countries, they advise you to take malaria prophylaxis, and you take it.

00:38:42.000 So the people that left Wuhan and came to Nigeria and went to other parts of West Africa and everything, they took malaria prophylaxis because they were on that malaria prophylaxis.

00:38:52.000 They were not able to seed this virus into Africa because that's why people are saying that Africa is so, we have people, you cannot even social distance in the slums of Ajeguna in Lagos.

00:39:02.000 You understand what I'm saying?

00:39:03.000 But people are not sick like that.

00:39:05.000 Why?

00:39:05.000 Because these people that came in took hydroxychloroquine.

00:39:08.000 So they could not see the virus because the hydroxychloroquine knocked the virus.

00:39:12.000 They took mefloquin, they took flavoquine or one of them.

00:39:15.000 So basically, that was an indirect protection on the continent of Africa.

00:39:20.000 Why?

00:39:21.000 Because they were on prophylaxis with this, one of the queens.

00:39:26.000 You understand what I'm saying?

00:39:27.000 So if people are not looking at this stuff, I say this again.

00:39:32.000 I said, you cannot, I love this study.

00:39:34.000 You cannot social distance in the slums of Colkata.

00:39:37.000 We have 1.4 billion people in India.

00:39:40.000 And the death rate in India is so much lower because hydroxychloroquine is over the counter.

00:39:45.000 In Nigeria, in Cameroon, in Mexico, in most of the hydroxychloroquine, mefoquin, nivaquin, chamoquine, my parents are taking flavoquine.

00:39:56.000 They are all over the counter.

00:39:57.000 People can just walk into the chemist and buy it.

00:40:00.000 Because of that, people are taking these drugs.

00:40:02.000 And the disease is not causing the same kind of pandemonium in Nigeria or in Cameroon or in, or just that is causing here in America.

00:40:11.000 So my question is, why are Americans and Europeans dying?

00:40:14.000 Why don't you just look and say, you know, this is what's happening?

00:40:17.000 You see, the problem, and the part that gets me really upset, is that real people are dying.

00:40:23.000 We can have a conversation about, you know, difference in politics, difference in this thing, but you can live to talk about it tomorrow.

00:40:30.000 People are like dying.

00:40:31.000 They're not waking back up to come and have conversations.

00:40:34.000 And that is what really makes me want to pull my hair out.

00:40:36.000 There are people telling me, Dr. Seller, oh, you should talk more.

00:40:39.000 You should, you know, be more gentlemanly and more doctor.

00:40:42.000 Like, for real?

00:40:43.000 I have been doing all this, trying to be a doctor and explain to people and send different studies to people.

00:40:49.000 I'm done.

00:40:50.000 Right now, we're going to take the battle to the gate of the enemy.

00:40:53.000 Whatever we have to do to get this going, it's going to go.

00:40:56.000 COVID has a cure.

00:40:57.000 It's called hydroxychloroquine.

00:40:59.000 COVID has a cure.

00:41:00.000 It's called whatever you have, whether you have chamoquin, flavoquine, take it.

00:41:03.000 COVID has a cure.

00:41:04.000 We don't have to go through all this.

00:41:06.000 We don't have to lock down schools.

00:41:07.000 We don't have to lock down children.

00:41:08.000 We don't have to lock down our businesses.

00:41:11.000 If we, I'm telling you, and I'm telling you, if we put everybody that gets sick early on hydroxychloroquine, if a lot of people go on prophylaxis right now, we will stop this virus in its tracks in the next maybe one month.

00:41:23.000 I can bet that.

00:41:24.000 Dr. Emmanuel, thank you so much.

00:41:25.000 Let me share with you also, this is not, of course, just Dr. Emmanuel's opinions.

00:41:29.000 All of our opinions, there's lots of people.

00:41:31.000 The most famous epidemiologist in the country, Dr. Harvey Risch from Yale School of Public Health, has said exactly the same thing.

00:41:37.000 He said that if we had had a more liberal hydroxychloroquine policy in our country, one half or more likely three quarters of the human beings who died in America would not be dead.

00:41:45.000 That's 100,000 Americans that would be alive.

00:41:47.000 And what I say to that is let's say going forward, let's do that going forward.

00:41:51.000 Let's get hydroxychloroquine in zinc in the hands of the people.

00:41:54.000 That's what we need.

00:41:54.000 There's a lot of obstruction at multiple levels.

00:41:56.000 There is obstruction at the scientific journals with the corruption.

00:41:58.000 There's obstruction at the media level.

00:42:00.000 They won't report the good news.

00:42:01.000 There's obstruction at the state level.

00:42:02.000 The governors are barring doctors' abilities to prescribe it and they empower pharmacists to stop our prescriptions.

00:42:08.000 There's just not correct, stopping us at the federal level, right?

00:42:14.000 So the department, the HHS has said that it's not allowed to be used outside of trials, which is not true.

00:42:20.000 And the FDA says it's not effective.

00:42:22.000 So there's obstruction at four different levels.

00:42:23.000 So my solution, I feel the solution is all of us here really, is let's get it to the people.

00:42:28.000 And I just want to say that if we wait for doctors to do it and pharmacists to do it, it's going to be months and months.

00:42:32.000 Lots and lots of people are going to die.

00:42:34.000 And let me remind everybody who's listening or teach them for the first time.

00:42:37.000 The over-the-counter dose that you need for prophylactic hydroxychloroquine is very, very low.

00:42:41.000 That seems to sometimes get lost.

00:42:43.000 The proper dose of hydroxychloroquine for most patients with lupus or rheumatoid arthritis, which is the typical use in America, is 400 milligrams a day.

00:42:51.000 The prophylactic dose, or let's just say prophylactic dose, is 400 milligrams a week.

00:42:57.000 That's all.

00:42:58.000 And even less, the data's not quite there yet for less, but most of us feel like you need even less.

00:43:02.000 We're talking about a really low dose, right?

00:43:05.000 This is safe.

00:43:06.000 I want you to know that you can buy this over-the-counter in Indonesia.

00:43:09.000 You can buy this over-the-counter in Iran.

00:43:11.000 You can buy this over-the-counter most of Latin America.

00:43:14.000 You can buy this over-the-counter in most of Africa.

00:43:17.000 Why can't we buy it here?

00:43:18.000 The issue, doctor, and I we had you on the podcast last week and made top 50 of all Apple podcasts.

00:43:24.000 I got hundreds of emails, and there are people that are saying, I want it, I can't get it.

00:43:28.000 So, what are they supposed to do?

00:43:30.000 No, seriously, I mean, there are people that are emailing me, and they're saying, my doctor says it will kill me.

00:43:35.000 I can't have it.

00:43:36.000 My father's dying of COVID.

00:43:38.000 I can't find it.

00:43:39.000 What are they supposed to do?

00:43:40.000 Executive order. 0.99

00:43:41.000 We need it over the counter.

00:43:42.000 Okay, but that's not a solution.

00:43:44.000 What are they supposed to do now?

00:43:45.000 We need an executive order.

00:43:46.000 Okay, because doctors are saying to their patients, this doesn't work.

00:43:50.000 So, right now, there's a request of the FDA, Dr. Han, for an emergency use authorization to use hydroxychloroquine on label for COVID.

00:44:01.000 That would remove doctors' fear and would remove the fact that pharmacists have been empowered to overrule doctors.

00:44:07.000 That can be done immediately.

00:44:08.000 Dr. Han, if you're listening, you could do this today.

00:44:11.000 We can allow on-label usage of hydroxychloroquine.

00:44:15.000 Zinc is over-the-counter.

00:44:16.000 That would immediately stop some of the problem.

00:44:19.000 I will be tweeting right at Dr. Han that exact clip.

00:44:23.000 Here's my point.

00:44:24.000 What I'm saying, though, is that I can't get it.

00:44:26.000 I've tried to get it, and I've had doctors say you don't need it.

00:44:29.000 It doesn't work.

00:44:30.000 And it's like, I'm not at the at-risk category, so I'm not saying feel sorry for me.

00:44:34.000 But I'm like, no, you know, I travel, I'm exposed.

00:44:37.000 I want it.

00:44:37.000 I want to use it as a preventative.

00:44:39.000 I literally cannot get it, cannot.

00:44:42.000 I'm sure one of you guys could find a way to fix that problem, but it hasn't been a top priority for me, but it's not easy.

00:44:49.000 There are Americans that hear this, they see this, and they're being told by their doctors, oh, that's the fish cleaner thing, and you'll die.

00:44:55.000 Doctor?

00:44:56.000 Yeah, I was going to say, you know, the Hippocratic oath is do no harm.

00:45:01.000 That's how we think of everything when we first figure out how to treat patients, you know, and not everybody that comes through the door has an automatic treatment.

00:45:09.000 Sometimes you have to figure it out.

00:45:11.000 If I was to tell you taking a Tylenol might protect you from this deadly disease, would you say back to me, hey, listen, I'm going to need another randomized controlled placebo?

00:45:21.000 No, the difference is Tylenol sitting in Walgreens and hydroxyl.

00:45:24.000 That's what I'm saying, though, is this drug is that safe.

00:45:27.000 And, you know, this, so it's disingenuous for people to say they need more resources.

00:45:31.000 A lot of people have kidney issues because Advil or Tylenol.

00:45:36.000 So how do we get it, though, is Charlie's question.

00:45:38.000 It's sold in the vitamins section of stores in Indonesia and Iran.

00:45:44.000 But it's a marketing issue to a certain extent because in April, I went to the big pharmacies and I said, I need to get this for my clinic.

00:45:50.000 And they said, no, you don't.

00:45:52.000 We don't have it.

00:45:53.000 The supply locally was out.

00:45:55.000 So what I do, I went to smaller boutique pharmacies and was able to order it.

00:45:58.000 So how do we get it now?

00:46:00.000 We have it in the storehouses.

00:46:02.000 We have to get it to the doctors that will prescribe.

00:46:05.000 And as it starts to gain momentum and as people start to use it, other doctors, I guarantee you, by supply and demand, will move as the people say, I want this or I'm going elsewhere.

00:46:16.000 That's helpful.

00:46:17.000 And so the more, look, I...

00:46:20.000 They need to allow us to dispense it in the clinic.

00:46:23.000 Look, it should be abundant. 1.00

00:46:24.000 And people in the third world are able to get it.

00:46:27.000 And in America, you have to go shut down your country. 0.98

00:46:29.000 You know, last week, Charlie, when we talked about the 63 million dosages that are sitting in the middle of the center, right?

00:46:34.000 We're trying to locate them, by the way.

00:46:36.000 Part of our plan is to see if that 63 million dosages could be released directly to physicians.

00:46:41.000 So we need to bypass the pharmacists in this regard.

00:46:44.000 Well, what I can't understand is why some sort of drug dealer in West LA hasn't figured out a way to make this.

00:46:52.000 No, seriously.

00:46:52.000 I mean, it's funny you bring that up because, can you hear me with this?

00:46:57.000 In Africa, there is actually a lot of fraudulent, there are a lot of fraudulent pills.

00:47:02.000 It's a problem because it's an important medicine.

00:47:05.000 And so there does become a market for dealing and dealing counterfeits.

00:47:10.000 We don't have that problem here, luckily.

00:47:13.000 I'm not suggesting we should.

00:47:14.000 But, you know, we talk about doing our part, wearing masks to block the transmission.

00:47:19.000 And to tie those together, it's also very much doing our part to prophylax ourselves against being a vector.

00:47:26.000 I treat older patients.

00:47:28.000 And so I think it's as important, if not more important, because it's more effective in me not being a vector of bringing this virus into my clinic to be prophylaxing on hydroxychloroquine.

00:47:41.000 So, you know, I still do, this is part of what we have to do is wear masks for now and face shields and block the transmission in that way.

00:47:49.000 But intrinsically blocking the transmission is much more effective.

00:47:52.000 And there's no way to contaminate.

00:47:54.000 I mean, you know, everybody's touching their masks.

00:47:57.000 The minute you touch your mask, it's contaminated.

00:47:59.000 Now we're getting in that negative.

00:48:01.000 So I want to talk about masks because I've had a very, I'm just confused, and some of you can clear it up for me.

00:48:08.000 First, they say no masks, vehemently, no masks, right?

00:48:11.000 It was the most aggressive no masks statement I've ever seen.

00:48:14.000 Then they say now it's if you don't wear a mask, they're literally, that's why we're all wearing masks here, not out of choice, but they could shut down this beautiful hotel that we're in and out of respect to them.

00:48:24.000 I've spoken out against the governmental overreach of masks.

00:48:29.000 I say that the science is undetermined.

00:48:32.000 I would love to have you guys talk about that.

00:48:34.000 And if anyone chimes in, I'm not expecting consensus here because I don't think there is consensus.

00:48:40.000 But anyone want to talk about the masks?

00:48:42.000 I can talk about that issue.

00:48:43.000 Okay, this has been looked at for many years because we all operate.

00:48:46.000 I've been in the operating room for 35 years, 31 years in practice.

00:48:51.000 So the issue is we know what works.

00:48:55.000 These don't work against viruses.

00:48:56.000 Regular masks don't work.

00:48:58.000 That's simply what it is.

00:48:59.000 It's been shown many times.

00:49:01.000 It's nothing to do with COVID.

00:49:03.000 COVID doesn't even factor into the equation because for years we've been looking at these issues.

00:49:07.000 So they have these spacesuits.

00:49:09.000 They're called PAPRS.

00:49:10.000 They're incredibly effective.

00:49:11.000 They filter viruses down to, I think, the point 0.01 or something like that.

00:49:16.000 Basically, we have materials like N99, N100, but N95 blocks, let's say, 5%, only 5% of airborne particles can get through.

00:49:27.000 But all viruses can get through, period.

00:49:30.000 All viruses can get through.

00:49:31.000 Now, do they get through?

00:49:32.000 No, it's just like a chain-linked fence.

00:49:34.000 If you throw sand in a chain-linked fence, not all the sand gets through.

00:49:38.000 So I think the best example I can say is like the reason we wear masks and the reason I wear a mask, because the fear is so massive in this country.

00:49:46.000 I wear a mask so people don't think I don't care about them.

00:49:49.000 Okay?

00:49:50.000 But I don't wear a mask because they work.

00:49:52.000 And if you have a mask and it's super sealed, it's N99, N100, yeah, it'll probably work.

00:49:58.000 And you can do a PAPR.

00:49:59.000 It's like a spacesuit.

00:50:01.000 Orthopedic guys wear them when they're drilling a lot.

00:50:04.000 So he can tell you more about that.

00:50:05.000 But the bottom line is we know that masks work a little bit like a chain-link fence.

00:50:12.000 So that's very helpful.

00:50:15.000 It's been one of the most aggressive government campaigns I've seen recently to try to get people to wear masks.

00:50:21.000 I think they're incredibly dehumanizing.

00:50:23.000 And my own philosophical bent, I just am very reluctant when people tell me what to do personally.

00:50:30.000 Doctor, can you comment on this and the efficacy of it?

00:50:32.000 Because you had some comments earlier.

00:50:33.000 Yeah, I was going to say, you know, people at this table.

00:50:41.000 People at this table didn't start thinking about masks in 2020.

00:50:45.000 You know, I've been thinking about masks for probably close to 30 years now, studying them, researching them.

00:50:51.000 I'm a surgeon, so when I operate, I have to wear a surgical mask.

00:50:56.000 I happen to know that there's no studies that show that it helps decrease my infection rate, but just it seems like an easy thing to do to keep spittle from getting on the patient and more importantly to keep stuff from getting on me.

00:51:08.000 But at the end of every case, my nose is running, my eyes are watering, and the first thing I do is run to the sink to blow my nose, wash my hands, wash my face.

00:51:17.000 And so masks are not necessarily benign.

00:51:21.000 And when I was telling you, I've been following the CDC guidelines immediately.

00:51:26.000 When I first got online, when this first started happening, they said, don't wear a mask.

00:51:30.000 And then suddenly in a few months, they're saying to wear a mask.

00:51:34.000 And when I look at the reference, it's based on a case study of two hairdressers in St. Louis.

00:51:40.000 So just so you know, I talked about this in my podcast.

00:51:43.000 I got destroyed by the media.

00:51:45.000 You don't know this study.

00:51:47.000 I'm just a very simple-minded person.

00:51:50.000 It didn't seem highly scientific.

00:51:52.000 No, and it's not a study.

00:51:53.000 That's my point, is that is not a study.

00:51:56.000 That is not something that we should be basing world policy on.

00:51:59.000 It's information.

00:52:01.000 And I certainly use it to process and everything.

00:52:03.000 And I'm, you know, like other people at the table, I'm not convinced that masks work, and I've been studying it for a long time, but the issue is other people.

00:52:11.000 And also, it's important for patients because it's about having control.

00:52:15.000 The mask give individuals a feeling of control, just like hydroxychloroquine availability gives people control.

00:52:22.000 I want to ask about the psychology.

00:52:23.000 So go ahead.

00:52:24.000 But say you're thinking about before 2020 and after.

00:52:27.000 That's really cool.

00:52:27.000 Yeah, you know, and I would just encourage anybody, go and research masks for yourself and just throw out anything from 2020.

00:52:35.000 Then go research masks again and only look at things in 2020 and you'll get very different results.

00:52:41.000 That's a phenomenal point.

00:52:42.000 What are the psychological implications of children wearing masks?

00:52:45.000 Because when I was in Jackson Hall, Wyoming, and I saw five-year-olds wearing these masks, and they looked miserable, and they looked confused.

00:52:54.000 And I say this very, you know, confidently.

00:52:58.000 I'm so glad I didn't grow up in America where I had to grow up with a mask on.

00:53:02.000 What are the implications of this?

00:53:03.000 Well, aside from the fact that they're absolutely useless and that kids won't abide by putting them on, which sort of renders the whole point moot, they are actually psychologically damaging.

00:53:15.000 They instill and reinforce fear.

00:53:18.000 I keep getting back to this point about fear because I think it's really the crux of this entire issue right now.

00:53:24.000 Without managing the fear, we cannot move forward.

00:53:27.000 I see dozens of children every week, about a quarter of whom don't wear masks.

00:53:35.000 Parents appropriately dissuade them from using them.

00:53:40.000 About half of the kids are sort of on and off the mask, and about a quarter are on the mask all the time.

00:53:46.000 What I've noticed is that in families that insist that their children wear masks or that limit their children's activities to activities that require masks, which is actually quite common now in Los Angeles.

00:54:01.000 Kids are not allowed to play with one another.

00:54:03.000 They're not allowed to bike.

00:54:04.000 They're not allowed to go to the park.

00:54:06.000 A private park in my neighborhood where I live was just closed four days ago because the Homeowners Association noticed that there were, this is their bulletin, by the way, that I'm quoting, too many children not wearing masks in the park and that the grass might become contaminated and that because children like to touch the grass and roll in it, they could become infected and then kill their grandparents that they're living with.

00:54:33.000 So they sprayed toxic chemicals on the grass in order to disinfect the grass.

00:54:41.000 And it's now going to be closed for 30 days with the option of renewing on a 30-day rolling basis, sort of like the lockdown.

00:54:50.000 What happens to kids when they live in that kind of environment?

00:54:53.000 What they learn is that everything is scary.

00:54:55.000 Everything is dangerous.

00:54:57.000 They are dangerous.

00:54:58.000 Their friends are dangerous.

00:54:59.000 The grass is dangerous.

00:55:00.000 They could kill grandfather.

00:55:02.000 How many kids have transferred infection to adults?

00:55:05.000 As of right now, the number is, wait for it, zero.

00:55:11.000 There is not a single documented case of transmission from a child to an adult in any of the school systems.

00:55:17.000 There is no death of a child in the state of California under the age of 18 from coronavirus that's documented by the CDC, which we know exaggerates numbers, but you can't exaggerate zero.

00:55:28.000 Multiplied by any number, it doesn't go up.

00:55:32.000 So my concern as a child psychiatrist is seeing this.

00:55:36.000 I am seeing a generation of children who are learning by mask wearing, mask enforcement, mask police, and mask shaming, because it happens.

00:55:45.000 We've all seen it.

00:55:46.000 We all saw it here the first day when we walked around the Capitol steps and the Supreme Court steps.

00:55:50.000 People walk up to you about two feet away and tell you that they're contaminating each other, you and them, because they're not wearing a mask.

00:55:58.000 Why they wouldn't stay more than six feet apart is beyond me.

00:56:01.000 But what they're being taught, the children, is that everything is scary and fearful and dangerous.

00:56:06.000 So what happens is the children stay at home.

00:56:08.000 They don't go out.

00:56:09.000 I'm putting aside all of the health problems like immunologic issues, rashes, heart disease, obesity, et cetera, putting that to the side for a moment.

00:56:17.000 Their emotional development becomes stunted.

00:56:19.000 They become scared and phobic.

00:56:21.000 They're unable to then associate with people outside the home to engage in conversation, to date, to marry.

00:56:28.000 I'm going down the line here, 10, 20, 30 years down the line.

00:56:32.000 We're going to have an entire generation of youngsters who are going to become adults who are going to become afraid to live outside of the basement.

00:56:40.000 That is, I'm not exaggerating this, I don't think.

00:56:43.000 And often they're comfortable with it.

00:56:45.000 And comfort is a very, very bad thing to be living in for a long time when you're not challenged.

00:56:50.000 We know it with adults who are being paid extra money to stay home and not work.

00:56:53.000 They don't want to go back to work because it's more comfortable.

00:56:55.000 When kids become too comfortable in an environment that's not healthy, they stay comfortable and they stay sick and they don't grow and they don't develop.

00:57:03.000 And to have a whole 10, 20 years worth of kids not actually becoming part of our country and achieving their potential is not just an error.

00:57:13.000 It is not an error.

00:57:14.000 It was an error to close the schools.

00:57:15.000 This is negligence.

00:57:16.000 This is abuse.

00:57:18.000 It's diabolical.

00:57:19.000 So doctor, can you talk about some of the external costs of the shutdowns?

00:57:24.000 Because there are calls to shut down America again.

00:57:26.000 They might.

00:57:27.000 They might shut down other states, including Florida, very soon.

00:57:30.000 I think the smartest thing you can do is look at a nation that shut down, nation that didn't shut down, how to go.

00:57:34.000 Well, so just so you know, the Zeitgeist of America is that Sweden is an unbelievable disaster.

00:57:40.000 Which is not true.

00:57:41.000 Tell us why.

00:57:42.000 5,600 deaths in 10.2 million people.

00:57:44.000 When you ask Anders Tegnal, chief epidemiologist, how are you doing?

00:57:48.000 How are things going?

00:57:48.000 He said, well, we're content with our results.

00:57:51.000 Please extrapolate, they ask him.

00:57:53.000 He says, well, our nursing homes weren't protected well. 0.98

00:57:57.000 They're very large compared to our Nordic neighbor. 1.00

00:57:59.000 They're very large. 1.00

00:58:00.000 They had some hygiene issues.

00:58:02.000 They had rampant 50 to 60 percent death rate came from those in the elderly centers.

00:58:07.000 So if you decrease that, it's down to 2,500.

00:58:10.000 And then Norway, which is right next door, is 5 million, half the size.

00:58:14.000 They had much less death rate, but they also have less immunity.

00:58:18.000 So 1 to 2% immunity versus about 20% immunity.

00:58:21.000 So guess what happens during cold and flu when this starts up again?

00:58:25.000 And you have a nation that has immunity and a nation that has no immunity.

00:58:28.000 You don't have to be a scientist to know one nation is better prepared than the other.

00:58:32.000 Also, they didn't have a free-falling economy.

00:58:35.000 There's a public health, there's medical problems that arise when you shut down.

00:58:39.000 People say it's just financial.

00:58:40.000 Eau contraire, I have to say to that.

00:58:43.000 Let's talk about the 600% increase in suicide reportings.

00:58:48.000 Let's talk about the spousal abuse.

00:58:49.000 Let's talk about alcoholism.

00:58:51.000 We're seeing, I have first-hand cases of suicide in my area.

00:58:55.000 I have first-hand cases of people who are going into a bad depression.

00:59:00.000 These are not just me.

00:59:01.000 I've talked to ER physicians around the country that said public health crisis secondary to financial lockdown.

00:59:07.000 This is not financial.

00:59:08.000 This is medical.

00:59:09.000 So you can't just say that it's a financial issue.

00:59:12.000 And when I look at Norway and I say kids are in school, restaurants are open, economy is not in free fall.

00:59:20.000 I think that is a sustainable model.

00:59:23.000 When you ask Anders Tegnill, how are you guys doing?

00:59:25.000 He goes, We're in a sustainable model.

00:59:26.000 He goes, The U.S. pulled it back down to an unsustainable, impractical model that you can't do.

00:59:32.000 We can do this for years.

00:59:34.000 Can you?

00:59:35.000 And they want to shut down America again, which again, it seems a common theme here, if I were to kind of summarize, is that we've been deceived and we are continually being deceived.

00:59:45.000 There seems to be a broader totalitarian agenda at play.

00:59:50.000 And that there is a solution that actually no one wants to talk about.

00:59:54.000 I think one thing that, you know, the overall problem to this approach is we are, you know, it's a strategy problem where we're locking down everyone.

01:00:03.000 We want masks on everyone.

01:00:04.000 And we're kind of forgetting that the fatality rate in children, children that go to schools, in people under 45, people under 60, is extremely low.

01:00:14.000 This is not a universal strategy for everyone.

01:00:17.000 There's no reason to destroy the youthful, the youth's lives, to destroy the economy, to destroy businesses when this affects a small percentage of the population. 0.55

01:00:27.000 That should be the focus, which we made that mistake back in March with nursing homes.

01:00:31.000 We didn't focus on the most vulnerable people.

01:00:34.000 And that's, I think, what we're still doing: we're not focusing on the most vulnerable people.

01:00:37.000 We're worried about the 22-year-old who's walking down the street without a mask on.

01:00:40.000 That's who we're yelling at right now.

01:00:42.000 And so this is a misdirection on appropriate resources and energy to focus on those older patients, those people that maybe should be on hydroxychloroquine, the ones that maybe should have guidance, the right guidance that's different from someone who is younger.

01:00:58.000 And there's a total messaging problem, I think, on that front.

01:01:02.000 So, doctor.

01:01:03.000 And then, doctor.

01:01:04.000 Could we return to masks for just a moment?

01:01:07.000 There's two points I wanted to bring up.

01:01:09.000 People often ask me as a physician, what do you think about masks and should kids wear masks to school and things like that?

01:01:15.000 And so, you know, there's so much messaging everywhere you go.

01:01:20.000 I mean, you're at the market and they're talking about masks on TV, and you can't turn on YouTube now.

01:01:23.000 It's all PSAs on that.

01:01:25.000 And so, you know, having been in a field where we wear masks a lot, and even if we're not surgeons, we've spent a lot of time in the OR, you develop mask hygiene.

01:01:35.000 And that is really missing as part of the conversation.

01:01:37.000 I'll get to the fact that they're not effective also.

01:01:40.000 But so to go back to are they effective or not, they have done studies with SARS-CoV-2 to look at viral transmission through that mask, whether it's a surgical mask, whether it's a cloth mask.

01:01:52.000 And in those with people who are infected and cough or sneeze into those masks, they can detect virus on the inside of the mask and the outside.

01:02:00.000 So when you go to the grocery store and people are wearing their masks in case they have COVID and they cough on their mask, then they touch their mask 200 times in the market, adjusting the nose.

01:02:11.000 They touch the mayonnaise.

01:02:12.000 You touch the mayonnaise, pick it up, and touch your mask.

01:02:15.000 I mean, that's more of a contamination than if we were walking around with no masks because people are touching their faces so much and they don't realize when you touch your mask.

01:02:24.000 I tell my kids, like, it's like you're picking everybody's nose in the market.

01:02:27.000 That's how gross it is when you touch your mask.

01:02:30.000 You're actually making the argument the mask could be doing more harm.

01:02:32.000 Couldn't be.

01:02:33.000 Right, because you're touching it so I mean, people touch the masks more than they would touch their face, although they still touch their face too much.

01:02:40.000 So that's point one about the masks.

01:02:42.000 The other thing, when you even look at the World Health Organization, I am a person who, if I have a mandate that affects my life or law that affects my life, I read it.

01:02:52.000 And so, you know, when we had our mask mandate in California by the California Department of Health, the first thing I did was look at it and read it.

01:02:59.000 And that was important to me because I'm hearing impaired.

01:03:02.000 And there is an exception for hearing impaired individuals. 0.92

01:03:04.000 The appropriate thing for me to wear is a shield. 0.52

01:03:07.000 When you're talking to me, you're actually exempt from wearing a mask because I do rely on your lips as communication.

01:03:14.000 And so it would be appropriate for you to wear nothing or a shield if possible.

01:03:18.000 When you look at the WHO, they go through physicians and they say for healthcare workers, the appropriate thing to wear would be a medical mask or a shield.

01:03:29.000 And they specifically say cloth masks are not appropriate for healthcare workers.

01:03:33.000 And so I think an interesting thing in terms of mask shaming and being uncomfortable about seeing faces now is this is what I wear.

01:03:41.000 And actually I have my staff wear these because I need to see their faces.

01:03:45.000 It really is difficult for me without that.

01:03:48.000 And so to see, I've had difficulty getting on planes several times recently where people say, oh, you have to wear a mask also.

01:03:56.000 Actually, this is more effective in German spittle transmission.

01:04:00.000 And it's just that fear that I don't know if it's fear I'm not conforming, but I actually have to carry the statue with me in my hearing test to document that I'm hearing impaired.

01:04:09.000 And so it's really odd to me because it's so uninformed.

01:04:14.000 And also, you know, most of the states, when they have a mask mandate, they'll say they'll specifically exclude outdoors greater than six feet.

01:04:22.000 You know, you don't need to wear it for casual contact.

01:04:24.000 There's been not a single case of outdoor transmission with casual contact like that.

01:04:29.000 And yet, somebody standing 30 feet away will walk up to you to tell you you're not wearing a mask outside and come in that zone when they're not reading even the rules that apply to their life.

01:04:40.000 And so I just, I feel so, like people are so scared of me wearing a shield, which is safer.

01:04:46.000 And so it does call into that.

01:04:47.000 Like, what is this about?

01:04:49.000 Are you that scared of seeing me smile at you now?

01:04:51.000 Are you that upset that I'm not like everybody else?

01:04:54.000 I'm not conforming.

01:04:55.000 I mean, this is actually safer if that's where we're going.

01:04:58.000 And I'm impaired.

01:04:59.000 So you're infringing on my ADA rights.

01:05:02.000 Yeah, precisely.

01:05:03.000 That's a great point.

01:05:04.000 And part of this is that we have to realize how programmable our society actually is.

01:05:10.000 And we convinced ourselves as a country, we really believe in liberty.

01:05:14.000 And I think that's a bunch of nonsense, actually.

01:05:16.000 I think that we are far less, far less likely to fight for our freedoms.

01:05:21.000 I think people are standing up.

01:05:22.000 You guys are.

01:05:22.000 And I go to South Dakota and I feel like I'm still in my country.

01:05:26.000 But I can't, I was just in New York. 0.72

01:05:30.000 I cannot walk three feet without the mask Gestapo to come through.

01:05:36.000 Doctor, you had a comment?

01:05:37.000 I would go back to the depression issue.

01:05:41.000 Please, can you talk about that, please?

01:05:43.000 Sure.

01:05:45.000 Depression is worsened by a lack of vitamin D.

01:05:50.000 A lack of zinc.

01:05:52.000 Many articles about this problem.

01:05:56.000 We need to make sure that our children are getting enough vitamin D. Our children are getting enough zinc.

01:06:01.000 They're not in school.

01:06:02.000 They're not getting their milk.

01:06:07.000 Our milk supply is actually being dumped into manure pits right now.

01:06:12.000 Yeah, off topic.

01:06:14.000 Thank you.

01:06:15.000 Okay.

01:06:17.000 Did you want to say something, Dr. Gold?

01:06:19.000 No, no, I just, no, we're good.

01:06:21.000 Okay.

01:06:21.000 Yeah, I'm going to reply a little bit about what Dr. Terdaro said about schools and about children.

01:06:28.000 And I think it's really clear.

01:06:30.000 I think it's good for the audience to know that influenza kills a lot more kids than COVID.

01:06:37.000 So I think that's good to hear that.

01:06:39.000 That's the reality.

01:06:40.000 So up until about age 45, there's where you start to see a little transition between 45 to 70.

01:06:47.000 It's about even with the flu.

01:06:48.000 Over 70, clearly COVID has been more deadly.

01:06:52.000 So I think as we move forward and think about this as we go forward, I think the elephant in the room is hydroxychloroquine.

01:07:01.000 We don't talk about that.

01:07:03.000 That needs to be brought to the forefront.

01:07:06.000 And then those statistics that I just mentioned, that's why we should open schools.

01:07:10.000 Well, so doctor, doctors, I should say, in the couple minutes we have remaining, there's one topic here.

01:07:15.000 We talked about masks, talked about lockdowns, talked about social isolation, but there's this incredible fixation on finding a vaccine.

01:07:26.000 Does anyone want to take this?

01:07:27.000 Yeah, I want to get one comment and then I'll let you go.

01:07:32.000 The vaccine, we don't have very good RNA vaccines, period.

01:07:38.000 So to say we're going to cut coronaviruses, we've never had a vaccine for a coronavirus ever.

01:07:42.000 We have a flu vaccine.

01:07:44.000 It's not very good.

01:07:44.000 It's like a dog chasing his tail.

01:07:47.000 So to expect a vaccine to come out and be effective very brief in a brief period of time is really unrealistic.

01:07:53.000 If it happens, it'd be wonderful.

01:07:56.000 But the likelihood of getting a vaccine that has long-lasting immunity is we don't have one for the HIV virus.

01:08:03.000 We don't have one for influenza.

01:08:04.000 We don't have one for coronaviruses.

01:08:06.000 Most of these airborne RNA viruses have, we don't do that well with vaccines.

01:08:10.000 That's just the way it's been historically.

01:08:12.000 Will we make a breakthrough?

01:08:14.000 Maybe.

01:08:15.000 But the likelihood is probably not that high waiting for a vaccine.

01:08:18.000 And if we do get one, it'll probably be more like the flu, where every year we'll be chasing our tail.

01:08:25.000 Let me say a little bit about the vaccine issue and full disclosure.

01:08:30.000 I'm not an anti-vaxxer.

01:08:31.000 I'm a pediatrician and ER doctor, so I'm not an anti-vaxxer.

01:08:34.000 I believe children should get vaccinated.

01:08:36.000 So nobody gets crazy hearing this.

01:08:40.000 I'm part of a clinical study.

01:08:43.000 One of, in fact, an FDI approved clinical study on hydroxychloroquine.

01:08:47.000 And we've been doing, looking at stools, the concentration of the virus in the stool.

01:08:54.000 And we've actually been able to isolate and the genome of the virus.

01:09:01.000 And we're working on that right now.

01:09:03.000 That's actually one of the big things.

01:09:05.000 It takes us a long time.

01:09:07.000 I'm working with one of the doctors in California.

01:09:09.000 I went with self-funded.

01:09:10.000 So we did, they did, they had done about maybe 15 people where they actually isolate, they actually sequenced the genome of the virus in about 15 different people.

01:09:20.000 It's still a small sample, but they found five different strains in 15 people.

01:09:27.000 They can't, the strains of this virus, there are so many, they're not going to be able to find a vaccine because there are too many strains of the same virus.

01:09:36.000 So it would just be impossible to find a vaccine.

01:09:39.000 Something next to a placebo, and they should take, according to you, 400 milligrams a week, and that's much more effective than that.

01:09:49.000 I was just going to say, typical of all the different viruses that cause respiratory infections, you know, paramyxovirus, rhinovirus, influenza virus, coronavirus, and by the way, all of these have been around for a long time.

01:10:01.000 They change very quickly.

01:10:02.000 You know, they get into different animals, they change, and that's why the only one that we even have a vaccine that works a little is influenza.

01:10:10.000 And we have to change that every year because the virus changes.

01:10:14.000 And the influenza vaccine is usually only effective between about 6% and 40% of the time.

01:10:20.000 So it's not even that effective with the only one that we have.

01:10:25.000 And guess what?

01:10:26.000 We have this medicine called hydroxychloroquine and zinc that works amazingly well, Doctor.

01:10:31.000 Yeah.

01:10:32.000 So I'm also an attorney, so I'm very interested in this vaccine issue because there's a lot of civil liberties issues that are coming up around the vaccine issue.

01:10:40.000 First, Americans need to distinguish between lethal and non-lethal diseases.

01:10:45.000 You know, we're giving kids lots and lots of vaccines.

01:10:48.000 I, again, want to say, just in case somebody thinks I'm an anti-vaxxer, I'm not.

01:10:51.000 I've got children.

01:10:51.000 They've been vaccinated.

01:10:53.000 But you need to distinguish between lethal and non-lethal diseases.

01:10:56.000 Is there a reason to vaccinate against a non-lethal disease?

01:10:59.000 That's just a question you need to think about because there's lots of diseases out there.

01:11:03.000 And the point is, we have not really made a mandate to vaccinate against non-lethal diseases.

01:11:11.000 Second, from a civil libertarian perspective, the only way we've enforced the concept of getting vaccines in our country is really through the school system.

01:11:18.000 You can opt out for a religious reason and other reasons, but in general, it ends with the school system.

01:11:23.000 We're now entering an era due to so much fear that should this vaccine ever become available, it's going to become mandated.

01:11:29.000 And it won't be mandated by the government.

01:11:31.000 It won't need to be.

01:11:32.000 It'll be mandated by employers.

01:11:33.000 And average Joe won't be able to get a job unless they prove that they're vaccinated.

01:11:37.000 Americans, this is a sea change in your country and your civil liberties.

01:11:44.000 This is huge. 0.74

01:11:46.000 Keep an eye on that.

01:11:48.000 Yes.

01:11:48.000 Is there a financial incentive for a vaccine more so than hydroxychloroquine?

01:11:52.000 Of course.

01:11:53.000 Talk about that.

01:11:54.000 Most people don't know that.

01:11:55.000 Many companies are.

01:11:56.000 Do you know how many companies are making money off a vaccine?

01:11:59.000 Many companies at their market share, their stocks have skyrocketed because they're going to make a vaccine.

01:12:04.000 Nobody makes money off a cheap generic drug like hydroxychloroquine.

01:12:07.000 We don't need a vaccine.

01:12:08.000 We don't need masks.

01:12:09.000 We don't need all this stuff.

01:12:10.000 We just need to get on hydroxychloroquine.

01:12:12.000 And everybody needs to get it.

01:12:13.000 Listen, if we want something that we need to match out on the street, match for hydroxychloroquine.

01:12:18.000 The right to use, the right to try.

01:12:20.000 People need to come out.

01:12:21.000 There has to be an uprising.

01:12:23.000 We have the right to try.

01:12:25.000 It's an American law.

01:12:26.000 Come out on the streets and march.

01:12:27.000 I'll be there with you with a big placard going, drive.

01:12:30.000 Hydroxychloroquine, let's go.

01:12:32.000 The issue is that I believe the tech companies are directly harming human beings because every time...

01:12:39.000 So I had a hydroxychloroquine tweet back in March, and it was about the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine.

01:12:46.000 Tweet got taken down, accountant suspended.

01:12:48.000 And since then, all my, I mean, I was reaching about 82 million people every two days.

01:12:52.000 It's about half that 40 million now.

01:12:54.000 Poor me, right?

01:12:55.000 But no, there was a total directive to stunt all my content since then.

01:13:00.000 Can we sue them for crimes?

01:13:02.000 Can we sue them for crimes that are giving humanity?

01:13:04.000 For criticism?

01:13:04.000 Well, the government should do something against it because, I mean, there's for different reasons unrelated to the medical issue, just the speech issue.

01:13:13.000 But what's always really, what's really perplexing to me about this whole thing, and this is just, you guys remember back in the early 2000s, the leading anti-pharmaceutical people were the far left.

01:13:23.000 Now all of a sudden they love the pharmaceutical companies.

01:13:25.000 It's really bizarre.

01:13:26.000 I mean, you guys remember that, right?

01:13:28.000 In fact, you probably thought they went too far in the early 2000s.

01:13:31.000 And they were like, oh, no one should ever take anything ever.

01:13:34.000 And there's probably better solutions.

01:13:37.000 And now it's really weird to see how the left is embracing it.

01:13:39.000 Yeah, doctor.

01:13:40.000 Oh, Charlie, I was going to ask you a question.

01:13:40.000 And then we have to close.

01:13:43.000 I was going to ask you a question.

01:13:44.000 Let's see if you can answer this for me.

01:13:44.000 Sure.

01:13:48.000 I would suspect that there's going to be a media discrediting campaign being run on us.

01:13:54.000 I would think that would happen.

01:13:54.000 That's correct.

01:13:58.000 As a journalist, as a social media influencer, what's your advice?

01:14:03.000 Well, so first of all, the power is in the group, not in the individual.

01:14:08.000 So that's my first piece of advice.

01:14:09.000 You guys being here together makes it a lot harder to discredit you.

01:14:14.000 Try to grow your numbers, but be very skeptical of infiltrators or people that are going to try to misrepresent you for what you're not.

01:14:22.000 I'd stay focused.

01:14:23.000 That's the other thing.

01:14:24.000 I think the hydroxychloroquine issue probably should be the primary focus because you get into too heady stuff.

01:14:31.000 I think you agree, Dr. Gold.

01:14:33.000 The second thing is they will try to discredit you personally.

01:14:36.000 I've been through that daily.

01:14:38.000 Today, Media Matters had this huge thing.

01:14:40.000 Charlie Kirk says he's not going to wear masks as he says they don't work.

01:14:44.000 If you go to what I said, it was much more nuanced about that than that. 0.94

01:14:47.000 It was just this ridiculous big label.

01:14:50.000 All I said is that I think there might be unintended consequences and the science is not yet determined.

01:14:56.000 Nevertheless, it was not easy to get through.

01:14:59.000 But you just have to kind of, as a doctor, realize that what you're doing is actually an incredibly courageous thing.

01:15:07.000 And I want to thank you guys for that because I'm going to be honest, I thought that I was living in some sort of Orwellian dystopia nightmare for the last couple of months.

01:15:15.000 And I've said, either I'm completely missing something or my logical thinking has just gone backwards.

01:15:24.000 And I want to comment on that.

01:15:25.000 But my piece of advice is anticipate it and expect it.

01:15:30.000 My opinion, the worst type of attack is one that you're not expecting.

01:15:34.000 If you just anticipate they're going to try to discredit you, then I think you'll be able to get through it.

01:15:40.000 But you guys probably knew there was a price to be paid by coming here, but you're going to be written up as heroes.

01:15:46.000 And think about if just one person listening to this podcast is able to get to their doctor and say, hey, can you please subscribe at DroxoCrime?

01:15:54.000 Please, blah, blah, blah.

01:15:55.000 And they might do it.

01:15:56.000 What if one person's life is saved?

01:15:57.000 I think that's worth the disinformation campaign that they're going to launch against you.

01:16:02.000 I just really wanted to make the point to people that, you know, as a doctor who was just trying to keep myself informed so that I could make decisions, I've been following the numbers very, very closely.

01:16:11.000 And we've gotten to a point now where the numbers are very difficult to appreciate because they're doing things, and this is not my opinion, this has already been admitted by the CDC, but they're conflating positive testing with patients who have immunity to coronaviruses that are not COVID-19, the ones that cause just a regular cold.

01:16:31.000 They're conflating PCR testing for virus and antibody tests that might actually just mean you're immune to the virus.

01:16:38.000 And they're putting all of these numbers together, making it impossible to figure it out.

01:16:42.000 And I can just tell you, I was on Fox News Wall Street Journal talking about masks, and they had a doctor come on behind me that said the opposite.

01:16:51.000 And he referenced statistics in Florida, California, I'm sorry, Florida, Texas, and Arizona.

01:16:59.000 And he talked about this bump, this spike.

01:17:02.000 And then what really happened was they took deaths that occurred in April and added them to the deaths in July to create the illusion that there was a greater number of deaths in July.

01:17:11.000 And then they called it a spike.

01:17:13.000 And then, of course, it went around the news media as a spike.

01:17:15.000 And I just think people need to be aware that that is happening a lot more.

01:17:20.000 And doctors can't freely speak, by the way.

01:17:22.000 So many doctors have, I mean, thousands have come to me and said, I work for such and such institution.

01:17:27.000 If I speak out, I've heard many doctors say I would be fired instantly.

01:17:32.000 Since you're all independents, you're able to speak out.

01:17:34.000 We're putting together frontlineMDs.com.

01:17:37.000 Doctors?

01:17:38.000 FrontlineMDs.com.

01:17:40.000 If you walk, walk, doctors.

01:17:42.000 If they stop you from treating your patients, walk.

01:17:45.000 If we have enough of us walk and become independent and work as a group for a week.

01:17:50.000 We're going to stay focused in what we're here to do.

01:17:51.000 So the AmericasFrontlinedoctors.com, AmericasFrontlinDoctors.com, there were a lot of emails sent into Charlie's Twitter and various social media looking for the references for things that we've said.

01:18:02.000 So if you go to AmericasFrontlinedoctors.com, there's a reference section.

01:18:08.000 There's a white paper on hydroxychloroquine.

01:18:10.000 I urge every American simply to read it.

01:18:12.000 Next to that is a compendium of all the studies on hydroxychloroquine.

01:18:16.000 It's two or three hundred pages long, demonstrating its efficacy.

01:18:20.000 And just to follow up on the question that my colleague asked about the social media, you know, how you handle it, have you ever seen anything like this?

01:18:28.000 So we just had our summit yesterday, and we reached, I think, 18 or 20 million views within hours.

01:18:34.000 We would de-platform by Facebook, de-platform by Twitter, deplatform by YouTube.

01:18:40.000 I don't think I've ever heard of it.

01:18:41.000 Have you ever heard of that, Charlie?

01:18:42.000 We're three within hours.

01:18:44.000 Not that quickly.

01:18:45.000 No, I mean, I'm familiar with many cases, but this is, and I'm dealing with this intimately because we run between our Twitter, our Instagram, our Facebook, and our YouTube, we have about 7 to 8 million subscribers and followers.

01:18:56.000 And so we deal with this quite a lot.

01:18:58.000 Now, there is a concerted campaign through the tech companies to make sure what you're saying does not get out.

01:19:04.000 And they do it by saying, well, we want to make sure medical disinformation is not being spread, which in a very Orwellian weird way is that's exactly what they're doing.

01:19:14.000 So, I mean, it's not even a lie, it's doublethink.

01:19:17.000 And if you guys know 1984, it's so much worse than a lie because they're the ones actually doing what they're projecting.

01:19:26.000 It would almost be projection.

01:19:30.000 Well, so interestingly, we anticipate this video to be taken down by YouTube and by Facebook.

01:19:35.000 I know some people at some places, let's put it that way, I'm going to tell them this video should not be taken down.

01:19:40.000 However, this is going to be embedded up on our own private servers on our website, so they won't be able to take that down as well.

01:19:46.000 Now, and that's because it should be a broader question of what exactly what that was said here was so incredibly controversial.

01:19:54.000 And the reason I think is that there isn't a profit.

01:19:57.000 I think this crisis goes away in 30 days if what you guys talk about is actually applied.

01:20:02.000 Would you say that's true?

01:20:03.000 That's true.

01:20:04.000 And Charlie, one last comment on hydroxychloroquine.

01:20:10.000 I need about a minute.

01:20:11.000 Is that okay?

01:20:11.000 Yes, you got it.

01:20:13.000 So I think the one thing I'd like to say to the audience to wrap this up about hydroxychloroquine, what do we know about it?

01:20:20.000 We know in places where they have a lot of people who are already using it, the rate of COVID is very, very low, and I mean 100 times lower than it is here.

01:20:30.000 We know in countries where they use it and use it in studies, in India, and they looked at patients that were already on it in Italy, Portugal.

01:20:39.000 They did in Nigeria where they put patients on it prophylactically.

01:20:44.000 The overall reduction in cases was about 80%.

01:20:48.000 We know that the number one infectious disease person in the entire world, Didier Raoul, used it on 4,000 patients with azerythromycin and zinc and had tremendous results.

01:21:01.000 And finally, I think lastly is that if we can get this over the counter, hydroxychloroquine will end this pandemic.

01:21:12.000 One month TUPS.

01:21:13.000 You guys all agree with that?

01:21:14.000 Yep.

01:21:16.000 30 days.

01:21:16.000 30 days Tups.

01:21:17.000 That's it.

01:21:18.000 COVID stuff.

01:21:20.000 200 years, you said?

01:21:21.000 200.

01:21:21.000 We have about 200 years of experience.

01:21:23.000 200 years of combined experience.

01:21:25.000 30 days TUPS.

01:21:26.000 But also not just 35,000 foot view.

01:21:29.000 Actually, treating patients.

01:21:31.000 You've seen what it does to children, see what it does to families, see what it does to human beings.

01:21:36.000 And this crisis can end without a need for a vaccine, that a need for more shutdowns or lockdowns, canceling more sports.

01:21:44.000 I have seen friends commit suicide, unfortunately, during this entire crisis that I believe was directly attributed to the lockdown and the lack of social cohesion.

01:21:55.000 I've come to the conclusion that the architects of chaos in our society do not care about human life.

01:22:00.000 They care about control.

01:22:02.000 And that's a very cynical and unfortunate place to come at.

01:22:05.000 But there's no other way I can justify the truth that you're telling me with the opposite of the truth that they're saying.

01:22:10.000 Any other closing thoughts in just a couple seconds we have remaining?

01:22:14.000 Yes.

01:22:15.000 COVID is not a Democratic or a Republican disease.

01:22:19.000 While some of us are using this thing as a way to, we're just being opportunistic and thinking that it's going to help us politically, remember that the people that want to control the society and everything, they don't care whether you're Democratic or Republican.

01:22:36.000 COVID doesn't care whether you're a Democrat or Republican.

01:22:38.000 It's time for America to unite, leave politics out of it, unite as a people and fight for our combined destiny.

01:22:45.000 All right.

01:22:46.000 Well, thank you guys so much.

01:22:48.000 And for the audio listeners right now, they can go to America's Frontlinedoctors.com.

01:22:54.000 We're going to post that link.

01:22:56.000 God bless you guys.

01:22:57.000 Thank you so much.

01:22:58.000 Thank you.

01:22:59.000 Thank you, Charlie.

01:23:01.000 That was incredible.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - July 29, 2020

9 Doctors Speak Out

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