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00:01:38.000Welcome to this very special episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:41.000I have been very outspoken recently against lockdowns, and I'm wearing a mask on my chin because if I don't, this wonderful establishment that we're in right now will be shut down due to local quasi-fascist orders and against masks.
00:01:56.000And everyone always says, Charlie, you're not a doctor.
00:02:22.000There's videos of all of you that had millions of views in just a couple of hours, and they were taken down because they were being told they weren't true.
00:02:31.000Can you just fill us in on how things are going or not going?
00:02:36.000Yes, so we came here to talk to the American people directly because of issues like censorship.
00:02:41.000So it's in the height of irony that we would de-platformed from Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter within hours.
00:02:48.000My understanding is there's at least 20 million views, and then we would de-platform that the president's son tweeted it, and then he was taken off of Twitter.
00:02:56.000So this is actually part of what I mentioned to you last week about medical cancel culture.
00:03:09.000I'll leave this to whomever wants to answer At first, but I've always understood science to be an exercise in trying to challenge dogma, right, and trying to actually find truth through using the scientific method.
00:03:29.000I guess in some sense, that's what we all feel.
00:03:32.000All of us here at the table feel like science and truth should win out always.
00:03:37.000Unfortunately, there's others that are basically carrying on more or less what I call right now.
00:03:43.000Particularly, you've seen statements from the editor of The Lancet, the editor, the former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine, actually discussing this and saying how much pressure there was from the pharmaceutical industry on the journals to publish articles that maybe didn't get vetted as much as they could.
00:04:00.000So it's really hard to really have a lot of respect for our major journals when they publish studies that are completely fabricated.
00:04:08.000So, you know, I don't know if people know this, but a major study was published with data from 671 hospitals, 93,000 patients, captured 60 of 63,000 patients in the United States saying they had billing records, their medical records all going to a cloud.
00:04:32.000So it's really hard for us to think science is winning out in our medical community right now because that actually stopped a bunch of trials, for instance, right now, with hydroxychloroquine, because fabricated data was allowed to make it into the marketplace and change the minds of many in the world, including the World Health Organization.
00:04:52.000So it's pretty easy to sit here and say, is there something smelling badly?
00:05:09.000You know, I don't have a crystal ball, but yes, the answer is yes.
00:05:12.000Clearly, there are pharmaceutical companies that won't do so well because, in a sense, in essence, hydroxychloroquine works like a vaccine in some sense.
00:05:21.000It's very pro, in very low doses, is prophylaxic.
00:05:24.000In an early disease, it's incredibly effective.
00:05:29.000So that makes the need for a vaccine a lot less.
00:05:32.000And interestingly, we had a lecture yesterday, and the mechanism and endosomal acidification basically that occurs with all RNA viruses, especially airborne RNA viruses, is one that basically makes hydroxychloroquine an effective vaccine-like treatment for almost any airborne RNA virus, including the flu virus.
00:05:55.000So I think there's some vested interest there that would be not happy about that, but the data is what it is.
00:06:02.000So, doctor, you went viral in a righteous indignation way.
00:06:07.000And first of all, for all of our audio listeners, because most of our distribution is audio, I am sitting around a table with, I think, seven doctors, eight doctors.
00:06:43.000And I went to medical school in Nigeria.
00:06:45.000And we took care of patients with malaria.
00:06:49.000And I'm kind of used to the drug of all the chamoquin, flavoquine, mefloquine, all the queens.
00:06:55.000We gave it to children, to old people, to pregnant women.
00:06:58.000And we took it Sunday, Sunday at home.
00:07:00.000We call it Sunday, Sunday medicine back home.
00:07:01.000We took it for prevention of malaria and stuff.
00:07:03.000So I'm actually really comfortable with the drug, which is one of the things that I can, and sometimes I empathize with my colleagues that were trained here that have not really used this drug.
00:07:12.000When they say, oh, it's going to kill you, everybody gets scared.
00:07:14.000But it doesn't kill you because we took it, we gave it to children, it didn't kill them.
00:08:42.000And then instead of hearing everybody trying to knock me down and beat me, and there are doctors in Houston, all these loony leftist doctors in Houston threatening to sue me and threatening to report me to the board.
00:09:16.000So, doctor, I became made aware of you when you did a kind of ad hoc video walking through just what you were seeing in the emergency room.
00:10:22.000They're focusing on the people over 60, multiple comorbidities that are having significant hospitalizations instead of everybody doing pretty well.
00:11:14.000And they said we had said some things that didn't agree with the who, which I didn't know was the person who was guiding all healthcare information in the United States.
00:11:24.000So apparently, your first question about the first, your First Amendment question about the ability to discuss medical information, that's a huge point because, you know, if in the last 20 years, we were able to have dissenting points and we would disagree, but we would, at the end of the day, not cancel each other out.
00:11:42.000I didn't say silence that different opinion than mine.
00:11:46.000So, doctor, I want to ask you, you are the original person who discovered the issue with the Lancet study.
00:11:53.000And I'm probably not doing it justice describing it, but it ties into this broader point, which is, is there an agenda behind some of these studies?
00:12:01.000And also an even bigger question, which people are starting to wonder.
00:12:05.000And, you know, I had a conversation with someone I really respect, and they said, Charlie, you got to stop diving into all this conspiracy stuff.
00:12:12.000They just, that's basically what they call every single one of you and what we're trying to do here, which is nonsense.
00:12:19.000Can you tell us about what you discovered in the Lancet study?
00:12:22.000First of all, for some of our listeners that are in their teenagers, tell them what the Lancet is and then the significance of what you discovered.
00:12:30.000So to even take a step back from that, you know, there's been this orchestrated attack, which I think most people that look at independent media sources can see has been going on against hydroxychloroquine.
00:12:41.000And this actually started when, so I co-authored the first Google document that got tens of millions of views.
00:12:46.000It was tweeted out by Elon Musk proposing hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for coronavirus.
00:12:54.000And again, the social media platforms, the World Health Organization is the authority, and anything that goes against them is subject to censorship.
00:13:02.000Now, fast forward a couple months to May of this year and the Lancet.
00:13:07.000So this is the second most prestigious medical journal in the world, about 200 years old.
00:13:12.000It's only second to maybe the New England Journal of Medicine.
00:13:15.000They published a study supposedly with 96,000 patients that showed that hydroxychloroquine increased your risk of dying by over twofold and then also increased your risk of lethal arrhythmias.
00:13:29.000To independent researchers, this study didn't make sense.
00:13:32.000To the World Health Organization, they embraced it right away.
00:13:36.000Almost immediately, they suspended all clinical trials on hydroxychloroquine worldwide.
00:13:42.000Dr. Anthony Fauci went on CNN with Jim Schutto in an interview and said, in all likelihood, it looks like hydroxychloroquine causes cardiovascular problems right after this study was published.
00:13:52.000It was independent researchers like myself who actually dug into the data, looked at who was providing this incredibly large data set, which was impossibly large.
00:14:02.000And it was this corporation called Surgisphere.
00:14:04.000And many of you heard, but the story, as I dug deeper in that, it was unbelievable.
00:14:09.000It was almost clearly a shell corporation that had an erotic model for hire who was posing as a director of sales in one of their promotional videos, which it's unbelievable.
00:14:21.000So, but like, this is hard for people to really process.
00:14:25.000So, I want you to walk through it more deliberately, please.
00:14:28.000That the Lancet organization, for lack of a return, the journal, yeah, which is supposed to be the gold star, something that we trust, published something which is supposed to be pretty, it's supposed to be peer-reviewed, right?
00:14:41.000It's supposed to be something that is widely accepted from a company that has a vested interest to try to discredit hydroxychloroquine through a shell company using, you dig into it, they have some sort of bizarre, you know, almost like credit card fraud, you know, looking landing page, if you will.
00:15:01.000This is what now is influencing the decision of billions of people.
00:15:20.000And so, when the study was published, this affected doctors' opinions everywhere, especially when the World Health Organization amplified this message by suspending all clinical trials worldwide, saying that hydroxychloroquine wasn't even safe enough for clinical trials.
00:15:32.000Now, as Dr. Urso was alluding to earlier, in 2003, Richard Horton, he's the editor-in-chief of Lancet, and I believe he was at that time as well, complained about the influence that the pharmaceutical companies have, big pharma, over what's published in these journals.
00:15:49.000And it's a real problem because most or a large percentage of their publishing revenue comes from these big pharma advertising and sponsorships.
00:15:57.000So, there's a direct conflict of interest, which these journals are the gatekeepers to what's supposed to be supposed to be the gatekeepers to what's true and what's not in medicine.
00:16:07.000And so, there is a tremendous financial incentive behind the scenes here for hydroxychloroquine to not work.
00:16:15.000You know, for the immediate future, you know, Gilead with their drug remdesivir appears to be a real contender.
00:16:23.000And, you know, just to put some number to this, when the president did his press conference on March 19th, where he dropped that bombshell announcement that hydroxychloroquine is a potential candidate for treatment of COVID-19, Gilead's stock right before that was at a local high, hadn't reached $85 a share for the previous two years.
00:16:43.000Within hours after the president announced hydroxychloroquine, which was now being seen as a competitor to remdesivir, the stock plummeted 8.7% and continued to drop over the next week, erasing $21 billion from Gilead's market cap.
00:16:58.000Okay, there's a lot of money at play here.
00:17:01.000Hydroxychloroquine is a cheap, generic drug that's manufactured by over 10 facilities in the U.S. alone, very hard to prosper off.
00:17:10.000And that's why independent physicians like us who care about patients, about people, about opening up the economy, are coming together to speak out for it.
00:17:19.000But you won't hear this from a lot of the other parties that may have conflicts of interest.
00:17:24.000So I want to zero on hydroxychloroquine.
00:17:26.000Then I want to get into a couple other topics around because I don't want to spend too much time on the hydroxychloroquine issue.
00:17:42.000And they've heard your podcast, for example.
00:17:46.000And tragically, I know people that have actually done very poorly and did not make it.
00:17:52.000And I can only imagine what would have happened.
00:17:54.000I don't know for sure, but that's a real thing that I've experienced.
00:17:59.000And MAD doesn't even begin to articulate a feeling like that.
00:18:04.000It actually just makes me really incredibly cynical and jaded about the world we live in.
00:18:09.000And that's not a good place for any human being to be.
00:18:11.000But Dr. Gold, can you build out further how it's possible that the patient-doctor relationship is now being violated by a third-party source?
00:18:23.000Because call me idealistic, but I thought we lived in a world where the doctor actually had a private relationship with their patient and that some pharmaceutical company or some journal can't even interrupt it.
00:18:36.000If you believe something is going to help your patient, you should have the freedom to be able to give them that, right?
00:18:43.000So I've actually started this journey because of the violation of the doctor-patient relationship.
00:18:48.000You know, that's a little sacrosanct area of free conversation.
00:18:54.000It's actually been silenced in both directions.
00:18:57.000The direction that's less obvious is that the patient is actually silenced because they have self-censored because of all the information that they themselves have heard from the media.
00:19:05.000So, patients that would normally come in and say, oh, I saw this ad on TV for this medicine.
00:19:19.000So they've self-censored due to the media disinformation campaign.
00:19:24.000And this other side is the physician who knows, let's say you have a physician like us who understands that it works.
00:19:31.000We are being threatened, sanctioned, censored.
00:19:34.000So we should not discuss with our patients.
00:19:36.000And I'll share with you, I think I said this to you previously, that at my own work, I was threatened with my job if I were to give hydroxychloroquine.
00:19:45.000And much like Dr. Emmanuel, it was just impossible for me.
00:19:49.000It never occurred to me that sitting and looking at a patient who needed a medicine, that I wouldn't give them the medicine.
00:19:55.000Have you ever had an experience where you were threatened because you were prescribing anything ever?
00:20:28.000So a doctor in their office typically will give on-label prescriptions a good part of the time, but somewhere between 20 to 40% of the time, we're using drugs off-label.
00:20:50.000And so, first of all, I want to thank all of you for speaking out because this is what courage looks like.
00:20:57.000Secondly, everyone watching and listening to this should understand how tragic of a state America is in that this relationship has been violated and science has become a monarchy that if a certain person says something, we must listen to it.
00:21:14.000So now I want to shift from the hydroxychloroquine issue and we could talk about how we can try and fix it.
00:21:19.000And I think what you're doing helps fix it to actually something that always strikes me as rather contradictory.
00:21:26.000So doctor, I was always told that there's something called the Hippocratic Oath where you say, first do no harm.
00:21:35.000Were the lockdowns helpful for our society?
00:21:39.000I'm a child psychiatrist practicing out of West Los Angeles and I see primarily children, but I also treat adults.
00:21:47.000My opinion is that the shutdown, specifically the shutdown of the schools, was the single biggest mistake in the government response to this pandemic.
00:21:57.000Since then, a confluence, I would say a sort of holy or unholy trinity of politicians, of media, of special interest groups like the teachers' unions, have, I think it's fair to say, conspired to keep people in fear.
00:22:18.000We are in a pandemic, but it is not a medical pandemic.
00:22:26.000My patients come to my practice, if they even come at all, and they tell me that their kids are wetting their beds, they're scratching themselves while they sleep, they're attacking each other with knives at home in the kitchen while their parents go to work.
00:22:42.000The children in my practice have suffered more than I've seen in my eight, nine years of private practice.
00:22:48.000The lockdowns and the closures have not helped.
00:22:52.000I do believe that there is a way out of this.
00:22:55.000And I think that we've all, in the last 24 hours, everyone sitting at the table have conclusively shown that.
00:23:02.000If we can remove the fear so that we can go back to our lives, removing the masks, the social distancing, the little stickers at Trader Joe's that tell us what direction of our cart to push in the store so we don't kill somebody on the opposite side of the peanut aisle.
00:23:17.000All of these small liberties, small freedoms that have been taken away from us, if we can restore safety and a sense of comfort and trust by using this medication, then I think the fear can go away.
00:23:31.000But the end game here, the end game for all of these parties that have moved and conspired to keep us down, to keep us locked in, is to remove every possible option and choice in our lives.
00:23:45.000It's not just about closing the schools and closing the businesses.
00:23:49.000It's also about removing the option to go to charter schools, to homeschool, to open your own business.
00:23:57.000You now have to have a license in Los Angeles, a permit to post a sign on your business saying that takeout food is available.
00:24:05.000And if you don't pay the permit fee, you get a ticket, $300.
00:24:11.000So this is more than just about medicine and it's more than just about compliance.
00:24:28.000And we have to attest and affirm that as Americans, we are in the best position as individuals to make choices in our lives in consultation with our physicians and our families, period.
00:24:38.000I can tell you that people that were marching in the streets four years ago, five years ago, in the Tea Party movement for liberty and freedom, and they were that great don't tread on me flag.
00:24:51.000Some of them are staying at home and they're petrified with fear and they wear a mask to the bathroom.
00:25:30.000So, you know, this is not the worst pandemic in the history by a long shot.
00:25:35.000And I just want to refer to probably the most recent, very large pandemic, which was the 1968 Hong Kong flu.
00:25:42.000And if you go back and you do some searches on microfilm, you'll find the headlines in the New York Times said 100,000 Americans have died from Hong Kong flu.
00:25:51.000You'll find headlines that attest to its presence worldwide.
00:25:55.000100,000 in 1968 would correlate to 150 to 175,000 today due to various factors.
00:26:02.000And so right in the middle of the Hong Kong flu, when 100,000 Americans were taken, right, that was a summer of Woodstock.
00:26:10.000There were no headlines even thinking of a thought in someone's head about postponing Woodstock.
00:26:17.000And we're now at a situation where you shouldn't go to school, you shouldn't open a charter school, you can't talk to your doctor.
00:26:52.000I'm an orthopedic surgeon practicing in Atlanta, Georgia.
00:26:55.000I've been practicing for about 20 years now, and I've been very much an advocate for free market medicine my entire career because I see how bureaucracy affects the doctor-patient relationship.
00:27:07.000And nothing has really proven that to me more than this pandemic.
00:27:11.000And I can tell you that over the years I've been fortunate.
00:27:15.000I have five clinics in the Atlanta area.
00:27:22.000That's thousands and thousands of patient interactions, hundreds of surgeries.
00:27:26.000And this pandemic is not the first problem that I've ever faced.
00:27:30.000Meaning, as a doctor, you know, you learn things, but you don't learn everything.
00:27:35.000And certainly you don't remember everything.
00:27:36.000So when you're faced with a new problem, it's part of our job to reacquaint ourselves with the facts, to make decisions, to help present those decisions to our patients, and we move forward.
00:27:48.000So when I first started hearing something through social media that something was going on in China, I made the decision that we needed to protect my PP ⁇ E.
00:27:56.000I started thinking about suture and antibiotics and masks and gowns and things like that for my surgery center.
00:28:02.000And so I talked to my people about making sure that we had enough of that.
00:28:06.000And then I started following the numbers on WorldOmeter because the very next thing that was important to me is what is this virus and who is it affecting, right?
00:28:15.000So I found out that it was a coronavirus.
00:28:17.000It was presented to us as the novel coronavirus and it was constantly emphasized, novel coronavirus, as if we haven't seen coronaviruses before.
00:28:27.000But everybody at this table knew what a coronavirus was before 2020.
00:28:31.000We've all studied it and we're aware of what it can do, SARS, MERS, we've seen it in the past.
00:28:38.000So you start looking at the World Health Organization saying that there was no human to human transfer.
00:28:43.000Well, other coronaviruses have human to human transfer.
00:28:45.000So right off the bat, I was like, something strange seems to be going on.
00:28:49.000Then I started tracking the numbers in Italy and it became obvious very early that the disease was affecting primarily older people with comorbid conditions.
00:28:58.000And I thought that was enormous information, but it never seemed to never seem to get presented in the media.
00:29:07.000It was always more cases, more cases, more cases.
00:29:10.000And I'm kind of looking at this going, this is actually good news.
00:29:12.000We can protect older people with comorbid conditions and younger people can get out.
00:29:17.000You were talking about you've done so many tests and it was about 14%, right?
00:29:22.000Well, we know that coronaviruses never get herd immunity greater than 20% because when they get to 20%, they just hop into another vector, an animal, a cat, or something like that.
00:29:32.000And so in the whole history of coronaviruses, we've never seen herd immunity greater than 20%.
00:29:40.000Then they started talking about the lockdown.
00:29:43.000Now, nobody here has studied lockdown because it's not a scientific measure to take.
00:29:50.000In fact, I've been researching it since the virus came around and lockdown actually came after the H5N1 outbreak that never really turned into anything.
00:30:00.000But President Bush actually commissioned a task force to ask how are we going to address this thing.
00:30:06.000And so lockdown actually came from computer programmers doing modeling.
00:30:10.000And we've seen how horrible modelings worked.
00:30:14.000And so this went up through the bureaucracy and sort of became policy.
00:30:18.000And, you know, doctors are like, what is this lockdown thing?
00:30:24.000And then the World Health Organization said 3.4% of us are going to die.
00:30:29.000And I'm thinking to myself, a mortality rate of 3.4%, you don't need a PhD in statistics to know that you're only measuring the sickest of people.
00:30:38.000Clearly, there are other people out there who have the disease and are not sick and are not being tested that are going to make that number much lower.
00:30:45.000And of course, we now know that the CDC says that the mortality rate is 0.0.26%, more akin to the flu, which to me is amazing news.
00:30:57.000But why is the media not reporting it?
00:31:01.000Then the hydroxychloroquine thing, I know you don't want to touch on it, but I'm doing this.
00:31:08.000I go on the Georgia Department of Health.
00:31:10.000I go on the CDC website and I go to WorldOmeter and I start looking at the numbers and I start counting for myself who's dying.
00:31:16.000And it's always older people with comorbid conditions.
00:31:19.000They started to do this thing with the Kawasaki's disease early on, that young children, it's a red herring.
00:31:25.000And the point I'm trying to make is, as a private physician doing what I always do, which is I study and I research and I figure out to best treat my patients, it got harder and harder and harder for me to find proper information that wasn't contaminated by politics.
00:31:45.000And so I had to work even harder to get these accurate numbers.
00:31:49.000Now, my practice has been open now for the entire time.
00:31:53.000I've been virtually not shut down at all.
00:31:55.000I've made very small adjustments in terms of early on when I had older people that I thought might end up in the hospital.
00:32:01.000I didn't do those cases, but I've pretty much been open the entire time.
00:32:06.000Now, I've had people test positive, and I've had even a couple of people get sick.
00:32:09.000I give them hydroxychloroquine and they get better.
00:32:12.000And so I'm thinking to myself, this is real-life experience, and I'm not the only one.
00:32:16.000I mean, we have doctors sitting at this table that we know that this is working.
00:32:20.000And then when the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine, I don't think people can, I don't think we can underestimate just how monumental this is.
00:32:28.000When the Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine posted research saying that hydroxychloroquine was not only ineffective, but that it was killing people, I knew that was false because by that time I had been studying for months and months and I was like, there's tons of research on hydroxychloroquine.
00:32:44.000And then two weeks later, it gets retracted.
00:32:46.000Now, anybody who's published scientific research like myself knows it is incredibly difficult.
00:33:02.000Hydroxychloroquine is deadly all of a sudden after 65 years.
00:33:06.000And so this sort of what we were talking about, this unholy alliance between media and politics and medicine has made it virtually impossible to practice.
00:33:17.000And, you know, the importance of the New England Journal of Medicine and Lancet publishing that hydroxychloroquine was ineffective was that it led the World Health Organization to then suspend all studies on hydroxychloroquine.
00:33:31.000And it gave people, governors and things like that, the ability to prevent use.
00:33:36.000And also, in Georgia, I've been able to prescribe it, but during that time, when the FDA came out and said that it was dangerous, even if I wrote a script for hydroxychloroquine, it would not be filled by the pharmacist, which, by the way, the FDA doesn't have that power.
00:33:52.000Once a medicine is FDA approved, it's up to the doctor and the patient to decide how to use it.
00:33:58.000And what is so interesting, this is Dr. Gold again.
00:34:00.000What's so interesting about what you're saying is that the WHO very quickly removed the studies from like Indonesia and other countries in the European Union, stopped studying it in response to the Lancet and the New England Journal.
00:34:12.000Now, the Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine articles were retracted quite quickly, right?
00:34:18.000However, the WHO did reverse itself eventually, but the state governors, which are restricting our ability to prescribe it, they never reversed course.
00:34:27.000So they're standing with that statement that it's not effective based on fraudulent studies.
00:34:47.000I didn't have time to share with you, but the JAMA study in April by author Borba is filled with fraud from top to bottom.
00:34:54.000They gave super toxic dosage of the medication.
00:34:56.000They gave two and a half times the lethal dose of the medicine.
00:34:59.000And then they published that the medicine didn't work, right?
00:35:02.000So many people died in a super lethal toxic dose.
00:35:05.000They stopped giving, they stopped that arm of the study.
00:35:09.000And now they're being criminally investigated for so many deaths.
00:35:15.000Nonetheless, the headlines were that it's that chloroquine that doesn't work.
00:35:19.000And the governors of the states are still restricting us based on these faulty and fraudulent studies.
00:35:25.000And the other thing, too, that's important is, you know, we were talking about how difficult it is to get through peer review and to gather data and all this stuff.
00:35:33.000It takes you five minutes as a doctor to read the study and go, this is ridiculous.
00:35:37.000You know, I want to say, you know, the numbers better.
00:35:40.000The New England Journal of Medicine had something like 637 hospitals over six continents and the Lancet, you know, three continents.
00:35:48.000And, you know, it's so ridiculous when you looked at it that I can't explain how it possibly could have gotten through peer review.
00:36:29.000Why they chose those numbers, I have no idea.
00:36:31.000There was a beautiful study done where they actually optimized the dose and they said, oh, you should load with 800 milligrams a day for the first day and then 400 milligrams for the next four days.
00:36:43.000And that was an optimization study that was done.
00:36:46.000In fact, they call it a major article in the Clinical Journal Infectious Disease that basically highlights how we're supposed to use this drug.
00:37:59.000Let me explain, like, you know, in Nigeria, like one of the lectures I was given yesterday, COVID got to the U.S. the same time COVID got to Nigeria, and he did a really brilliant listing on it.
00:38:12.000But you see, when the Chinese people left China and came to the U.S., they were not mandated by the CDC to be on malaria prophylaxis.
00:38:22.000When they left Wuhan to go to sub-Saharan West Africa, sub-Saharan, they were all told to get on malaria prophylaxis.
00:38:30.000So you see, so when people leave, when you're traveling, if I leave right now, I'm traveling to Cameroon, Nigeria, or any of the sub-African countries, they advise you to take malaria prophylaxis, and you take it.
00:38:42.000So the people that left Wuhan and came to Nigeria and went to other parts of West Africa and everything, they took malaria prophylaxis because they were on that malaria prophylaxis.
00:38:52.000They were not able to seed this virus into Africa because that's why people are saying that Africa is so, we have people, you cannot even social distance in the slums of Ajeguna in Lagos.
00:41:08.000We don't have to lock down our businesses.
00:41:11.000If we, I'm telling you, and I'm telling you, if we put everybody that gets sick early on hydroxychloroquine, if a lot of people go on prophylaxis right now, we will stop this virus in its tracks in the next maybe one month.
00:41:25.000Let me share with you also, this is not, of course, just Dr. Emmanuel's opinions.
00:41:29.000All of our opinions, there's lots of people.
00:41:31.000The most famous epidemiologist in the country, Dr. Harvey Risch from Yale School of Public Health, has said exactly the same thing.
00:41:37.000He said that if we had had a more liberal hydroxychloroquine policy in our country, one half or more likely three quarters of the human beings who died in America would not be dead.
00:41:45.000That's 100,000 Americans that would be alive.
00:41:47.000And what I say to that is let's say going forward, let's do that going forward.
00:41:51.000Let's get hydroxychloroquine in zinc in the hands of the people.
00:42:43.000The proper dose of hydroxychloroquine for most patients with lupus or rheumatoid arthritis, which is the typical use in America, is 400 milligrams a day.
00:42:51.000The prophylactic dose, or let's just say prophylactic dose, is 400 milligrams a week.
00:44:42.000I'm sure one of you guys could find a way to fix that problem, but it hasn't been a top priority for me, but it's not easy.
00:44:49.000There are Americans that hear this, they see this, and they're being told by their doctors, oh, that's the fish cleaner thing, and you'll die.
00:44:56.000Yeah, I was going to say, you know, the Hippocratic oath is do no harm.
00:45:01.000That's how we think of everything when we first figure out how to treat patients, you know, and not everybody that comes through the door has an automatic treatment.
00:45:11.000If I was to tell you taking a Tylenol might protect you from this deadly disease, would you say back to me, hey, listen, I'm going to need another randomized controlled placebo?
00:45:21.000No, the difference is Tylenol sitting in Walgreens and hydroxyl.
00:45:24.000That's what I'm saying, though, is this drug is that safe.
00:45:27.000And, you know, this, so it's disingenuous for people to say they need more resources.
00:45:31.000A lot of people have kidney issues because Advil or Tylenol.
00:45:36.000So how do we get it, though, is Charlie's question.
00:45:38.000It's sold in the vitamins section of stores in Indonesia and Iran.
00:45:44.000But it's a marketing issue to a certain extent because in April, I went to the big pharmacies and I said, I need to get this for my clinic.
00:46:02.000We have to get it to the doctors that will prescribe.
00:46:05.000And as it starts to gain momentum and as people start to use it, other doctors, I guarantee you, by supply and demand, will move as the people say, I want this or I'm going elsewhere.
00:47:28.000And so I think it's as important, if not more important, because it's more effective in me not being a vector of bringing this virus into my clinic to be prophylaxing on hydroxychloroquine.
00:47:41.000So, you know, I still do, this is part of what we have to do is wear masks for now and face shields and block the transmission in that way.
00:47:49.000But intrinsically blocking the transmission is much more effective.
00:48:01.000So I want to talk about masks because I've had a very, I'm just confused, and some of you can clear it up for me.
00:48:08.000First, they say no masks, vehemently, no masks, right?
00:48:11.000It was the most aggressive no masks statement I've ever seen.
00:48:14.000Then they say now it's if you don't wear a mask, they're literally, that's why we're all wearing masks here, not out of choice, but they could shut down this beautiful hotel that we're in and out of respect to them.
00:48:24.000I've spoken out against the governmental overreach of masks.
00:48:29.000I say that the science is undetermined.
00:48:32.000I would love to have you guys talk about that.
00:48:34.000And if anyone chimes in, I'm not expecting consensus here because I don't think there is consensus.
00:48:40.000But anyone want to talk about the masks?
00:49:32.000No, it's just like a chain-linked fence.
00:49:34.000If you throw sand in a chain-linked fence, not all the sand gets through.
00:49:38.000So I think the best example I can say is like the reason we wear masks and the reason I wear a mask, because the fear is so massive in this country.
00:49:46.000I wear a mask so people don't think I don't care about them.
00:50:23.000And my own philosophical bent, I just am very reluctant when people tell me what to do personally.
00:50:30.000Doctor, can you comment on this and the efficacy of it?
00:50:32.000Because you had some comments earlier.
00:50:33.000Yeah, I was going to say, you know, people at this table.
00:50:41.000People at this table didn't start thinking about masks in 2020.
00:50:45.000You know, I've been thinking about masks for probably close to 30 years now, studying them, researching them.
00:50:51.000I'm a surgeon, so when I operate, I have to wear a surgical mask.
00:50:56.000I happen to know that there's no studies that show that it helps decrease my infection rate, but just it seems like an easy thing to do to keep spittle from getting on the patient and more importantly to keep stuff from getting on me.
00:51:08.000But at the end of every case, my nose is running, my eyes are watering, and the first thing I do is run to the sink to blow my nose, wash my hands, wash my face.
00:51:17.000And so masks are not necessarily benign.
00:51:21.000And when I was telling you, I've been following the CDC guidelines immediately.
00:51:26.000When I first got online, when this first started happening, they said, don't wear a mask.
00:51:30.000And then suddenly in a few months, they're saying to wear a mask.
00:51:34.000And when I look at the reference, it's based on a case study of two hairdressers in St. Louis.
00:51:40.000So just so you know, I talked about this in my podcast.
00:52:01.000And I certainly use it to process and everything.
00:52:03.000And I'm, you know, like other people at the table, I'm not convinced that masks work, and I've been studying it for a long time, but the issue is other people.
00:52:11.000And also, it's important for patients because it's about having control.
00:52:15.000The mask give individuals a feeling of control, just like hydroxychloroquine availability gives people control.
00:52:42.000What are the psychological implications of children wearing masks?
00:52:45.000Because when I was in Jackson Hall, Wyoming, and I saw five-year-olds wearing these masks, and they looked miserable, and they looked confused.
00:52:54.000And I say this very, you know, confidently.
00:52:58.000I'm so glad I didn't grow up in America where I had to grow up with a mask on.
00:53:03.000Well, aside from the fact that they're absolutely useless and that kids won't abide by putting them on, which sort of renders the whole point moot, they are actually psychologically damaging.
00:53:18.000I keep getting back to this point about fear because I think it's really the crux of this entire issue right now.
00:53:24.000Without managing the fear, we cannot move forward.
00:53:27.000I see dozens of children every week, about a quarter of whom don't wear masks.
00:53:35.000Parents appropriately dissuade them from using them.
00:53:40.000About half of the kids are sort of on and off the mask, and about a quarter are on the mask all the time.
00:53:46.000What I've noticed is that in families that insist that their children wear masks or that limit their children's activities to activities that require masks, which is actually quite common now in Los Angeles.
00:54:01.000Kids are not allowed to play with one another.
00:54:04.000They're not allowed to go to the park.
00:54:06.000A private park in my neighborhood where I live was just closed four days ago because the Homeowners Association noticed that there were, this is their bulletin, by the way, that I'm quoting, too many children not wearing masks in the park and that the grass might become contaminated and that because children like to touch the grass and roll in it, they could become infected and then kill their grandparents that they're living with.
00:54:33.000So they sprayed toxic chemicals on the grass in order to disinfect the grass.
00:54:41.000And it's now going to be closed for 30 days with the option of renewing on a 30-day rolling basis, sort of like the lockdown.
00:54:50.000What happens to kids when they live in that kind of environment?
00:54:53.000What they learn is that everything is scary.
00:55:02.000How many kids have transferred infection to adults?
00:55:05.000As of right now, the number is, wait for it, zero.
00:55:11.000There is not a single documented case of transmission from a child to an adult in any of the school systems.
00:55:17.000There is no death of a child in the state of California under the age of 18 from coronavirus that's documented by the CDC, which we know exaggerates numbers, but you can't exaggerate zero.
00:55:28.000Multiplied by any number, it doesn't go up.
00:55:32.000So my concern as a child psychiatrist is seeing this.
00:55:36.000I am seeing a generation of children who are learning by mask wearing, mask enforcement, mask police, and mask shaming, because it happens.
00:55:46.000We all saw it here the first day when we walked around the Capitol steps and the Supreme Court steps.
00:55:50.000People walk up to you about two feet away and tell you that they're contaminating each other, you and them, because they're not wearing a mask.
00:55:58.000Why they wouldn't stay more than six feet apart is beyond me.
00:56:01.000But what they're being taught, the children, is that everything is scary and fearful and dangerous.
00:56:06.000So what happens is the children stay at home.
00:56:09.000I'm putting aside all of the health problems like immunologic issues, rashes, heart disease, obesity, et cetera, putting that to the side for a moment.
00:56:17.000Their emotional development becomes stunted.
00:56:21.000They're unable to then associate with people outside the home to engage in conversation, to date, to marry.
00:56:28.000I'm going down the line here, 10, 20, 30 years down the line.
00:56:32.000We're going to have an entire generation of youngsters who are going to become adults who are going to become afraid to live outside of the basement.
00:56:40.000That is, I'm not exaggerating this, I don't think.
00:56:43.000And often they're comfortable with it.
00:56:45.000And comfort is a very, very bad thing to be living in for a long time when you're not challenged.
00:56:50.000We know it with adults who are being paid extra money to stay home and not work.
00:56:53.000They don't want to go back to work because it's more comfortable.
00:56:55.000When kids become too comfortable in an environment that's not healthy, they stay comfortable and they stay sick and they don't grow and they don't develop.
00:57:03.000And to have a whole 10, 20 years worth of kids not actually becoming part of our country and achieving their potential is not just an error.
00:59:35.000And they want to shut down America again, which again, it seems a common theme here, if I were to kind of summarize, is that we've been deceived and we are continually being deceived.
00:59:45.000There seems to be a broader totalitarian agenda at play.
00:59:50.000And that there is a solution that actually no one wants to talk about.
00:59:54.000I think one thing that, you know, the overall problem to this approach is we are, you know, it's a strategy problem where we're locking down everyone.
01:00:04.000And we're kind of forgetting that the fatality rate in children, children that go to schools, in people under 45, people under 60, is extremely low.
01:00:14.000This is not a universal strategy for everyone.
01:00:17.000There's no reason to destroy the youthful, the youth's lives, to destroy the economy, to destroy businesses when this affects a small percentage of the population.
01:00:27.000That should be the focus, which we made that mistake back in March with nursing homes.
01:00:31.000We didn't focus on the most vulnerable people.
01:00:34.000And that's, I think, what we're still doing: we're not focusing on the most vulnerable people.
01:00:37.000We're worried about the 22-year-old who's walking down the street without a mask on.
01:00:40.000That's who we're yelling at right now.
01:00:42.000And so this is a misdirection on appropriate resources and energy to focus on those older patients, those people that maybe should be on hydroxychloroquine, the ones that maybe should have guidance, the right guidance that's different from someone who is younger.
01:00:58.000And there's a total messaging problem, I think, on that front.
01:01:25.000And so, you know, having been in a field where we wear masks a lot, and even if we're not surgeons, we've spent a lot of time in the OR, you develop mask hygiene.
01:01:35.000And that is really missing as part of the conversation.
01:01:37.000I'll get to the fact that they're not effective also.
01:01:40.000But so to go back to are they effective or not, they have done studies with SARS-CoV-2 to look at viral transmission through that mask, whether it's a surgical mask, whether it's a cloth mask.
01:01:52.000And in those with people who are infected and cough or sneeze into those masks, they can detect virus on the inside of the mask and the outside.
01:02:00.000So when you go to the grocery store and people are wearing their masks in case they have COVID and they cough on their mask, then they touch their mask 200 times in the market, adjusting the nose.
01:02:12.000You touch the mayonnaise, pick it up, and touch your mask.
01:02:15.000I mean, that's more of a contamination than if we were walking around with no masks because people are touching their faces so much and they don't realize when you touch your mask.
01:02:24.000I tell my kids, like, it's like you're picking everybody's nose in the market.
01:02:27.000That's how gross it is when you touch your mask.
01:02:30.000You're actually making the argument the mask could be doing more harm.
01:02:33.000Right, because you're touching it so I mean, people touch the masks more than they would touch their face, although they still touch their face too much.
01:02:42.000The other thing, when you even look at the World Health Organization, I am a person who, if I have a mandate that affects my life or law that affects my life, I read it.
01:02:52.000And so, you know, when we had our mask mandate in California by the California Department of Health, the first thing I did was look at it and read it.
01:02:59.000And that was important to me because I'm hearing impaired.
01:03:02.000And there is an exception for hearing impaired individuals.
01:03:04.000The appropriate thing for me to wear is a shield.
01:03:07.000When you're talking to me, you're actually exempt from wearing a mask because I do rely on your lips as communication.
01:03:14.000And so it would be appropriate for you to wear nothing or a shield if possible.
01:03:18.000When you look at the WHO, they go through physicians and they say for healthcare workers, the appropriate thing to wear would be a medical mask or a shield.
01:03:29.000And they specifically say cloth masks are not appropriate for healthcare workers.
01:03:33.000And so I think an interesting thing in terms of mask shaming and being uncomfortable about seeing faces now is this is what I wear.
01:03:41.000And actually I have my staff wear these because I need to see their faces.
01:03:45.000It really is difficult for me without that.
01:03:48.000And so to see, I've had difficulty getting on planes several times recently where people say, oh, you have to wear a mask also.
01:03:56.000Actually, this is more effective in German spittle transmission.
01:04:00.000And it's just that fear that I don't know if it's fear I'm not conforming, but I actually have to carry the statue with me in my hearing test to document that I'm hearing impaired.
01:04:09.000And so it's really odd to me because it's so uninformed.
01:04:14.000And also, you know, most of the states, when they have a mask mandate, they'll say they'll specifically exclude outdoors greater than six feet.
01:04:22.000You know, you don't need to wear it for casual contact.
01:04:24.000There's been not a single case of outdoor transmission with casual contact like that.
01:04:29.000And yet, somebody standing 30 feet away will walk up to you to tell you you're not wearing a mask outside and come in that zone when they're not reading even the rules that apply to their life.
01:04:40.000And so I just, I feel so, like people are so scared of me wearing a shield, which is safer.
01:09:10.000So we did, they did, they had done about maybe 15 people where they actually isolate, they actually sequenced the genome of the virus in about 15 different people.
01:09:20.000It's still a small sample, but they found five different strains in 15 people.
01:09:27.000They can't, the strains of this virus, there are so many, they're not going to be able to find a vaccine because there are too many strains of the same virus.
01:09:36.000So it would just be impossible to find a vaccine.
01:09:39.000Something next to a placebo, and they should take, according to you, 400 milligrams a week, and that's much more effective than that.
01:09:49.000I was just going to say, typical of all the different viruses that cause respiratory infections, you know, paramyxovirus, rhinovirus, influenza virus, coronavirus, and by the way, all of these have been around for a long time.
01:10:02.000You know, they get into different animals, they change, and that's why the only one that we even have a vaccine that works a little is influenza.
01:10:10.000And we have to change that every year because the virus changes.
01:10:14.000And the influenza vaccine is usually only effective between about 6% and 40% of the time.
01:10:20.000So it's not even that effective with the only one that we have.
01:10:32.000So I'm also an attorney, so I'm very interested in this vaccine issue because there's a lot of civil liberties issues that are coming up around the vaccine issue.
01:10:40.000First, Americans need to distinguish between lethal and non-lethal diseases.
01:10:45.000You know, we're giving kids lots and lots of vaccines.
01:10:48.000I, again, want to say, just in case somebody thinks I'm an anti-vaxxer, I'm not.
01:10:53.000But you need to distinguish between lethal and non-lethal diseases.
01:10:56.000Is there a reason to vaccinate against a non-lethal disease?
01:10:59.000That's just a question you need to think about because there's lots of diseases out there.
01:11:03.000And the point is, we have not really made a mandate to vaccinate against non-lethal diseases.
01:11:11.000Second, from a civil libertarian perspective, the only way we've enforced the concept of getting vaccines in our country is really through the school system.
01:11:18.000You can opt out for a religious reason and other reasons, but in general, it ends with the school system.
01:11:23.000We're now entering an era due to so much fear that should this vaccine ever become available, it's going to become mandated.
01:11:29.000And it won't be mandated by the government.
01:13:04.000Well, the government should do something against it because, I mean, there's for different reasons unrelated to the medical issue, just the speech issue.
01:13:13.000But what's always really, what's really perplexing to me about this whole thing, and this is just, you guys remember back in the early 2000s, the leading anti-pharmaceutical people were the far left.
01:13:23.000Now all of a sudden they love the pharmaceutical companies.
01:14:38.000Today, Media Matters had this huge thing.
01:14:40.000Charlie Kirk says he's not going to wear masks as he says they don't work.
01:14:44.000If you go to what I said, it was much more nuanced about that than that.
01:14:47.000It was just this ridiculous big label.
01:14:50.000All I said is that I think there might be unintended consequences and the science is not yet determined.
01:14:56.000Nevertheless, it was not easy to get through.
01:14:59.000But you just have to kind of, as a doctor, realize that what you're doing is actually an incredibly courageous thing.
01:15:07.000And I want to thank you guys for that because I'm going to be honest, I thought that I was living in some sort of Orwellian dystopia nightmare for the last couple of months.
01:15:15.000And I've said, either I'm completely missing something or my logical thinking has just gone backwards.
01:15:25.000But my piece of advice is anticipate it and expect it.
01:15:30.000My opinion, the worst type of attack is one that you're not expecting.
01:15:34.000If you just anticipate they're going to try to discredit you, then I think you'll be able to get through it.
01:15:40.000But you guys probably knew there was a price to be paid by coming here, but you're going to be written up as heroes.
01:15:46.000And think about if just one person listening to this podcast is able to get to their doctor and say, hey, can you please subscribe at DroxoCrime?
01:15:57.000I think that's worth the disinformation campaign that they're going to launch against you.
01:16:02.000I just really wanted to make the point to people that, you know, as a doctor who was just trying to keep myself informed so that I could make decisions, I've been following the numbers very, very closely.
01:16:11.000And we've gotten to a point now where the numbers are very difficult to appreciate because they're doing things, and this is not my opinion, this has already been admitted by the CDC, but they're conflating positive testing with patients who have immunity to coronaviruses that are not COVID-19, the ones that cause just a regular cold.
01:16:31.000They're conflating PCR testing for virus and antibody tests that might actually just mean you're immune to the virus.
01:16:38.000And they're putting all of these numbers together, making it impossible to figure it out.
01:16:42.000And I can just tell you, I was on Fox News Wall Street Journal talking about masks, and they had a doctor come on behind me that said the opposite.
01:16:51.000And he referenced statistics in Florida, California, I'm sorry, Florida, Texas, and Arizona.
01:16:59.000And he talked about this bump, this spike.
01:17:02.000And then what really happened was they took deaths that occurred in April and added them to the deaths in July to create the illusion that there was a greater number of deaths in July.
01:17:42.000If they stop you from treating your patients, walk.
01:17:45.000If we have enough of us walk and become independent and work as a group for a week.
01:17:50.000We're going to stay focused in what we're here to do.
01:17:51.000So the AmericasFrontlinedoctors.com, AmericasFrontlinDoctors.com, there were a lot of emails sent into Charlie's Twitter and various social media looking for the references for things that we've said.
01:18:02.000So if you go to AmericasFrontlinedoctors.com, there's a reference section.
01:18:08.000There's a white paper on hydroxychloroquine.
01:18:10.000I urge every American simply to read it.
01:18:12.000Next to that is a compendium of all the studies on hydroxychloroquine.
01:18:16.000It's two or three hundred pages long, demonstrating its efficacy.
01:18:20.000And just to follow up on the question that my colleague asked about the social media, you know, how you handle it, have you ever seen anything like this?
01:18:28.000So we just had our summit yesterday, and we reached, I think, 18 or 20 million views within hours.
01:18:34.000We would de-platform by Facebook, de-platform by Twitter, deplatform by YouTube.
01:18:45.000No, I mean, I'm familiar with many cases, but this is, and I'm dealing with this intimately because we run between our Twitter, our Instagram, our Facebook, and our YouTube, we have about 7 to 8 million subscribers and followers.
01:18:58.000Now, there is a concerted campaign through the tech companies to make sure what you're saying does not get out.
01:19:04.000And they do it by saying, well, we want to make sure medical disinformation is not being spread, which in a very Orwellian weird way is that's exactly what they're doing.
01:19:14.000So, I mean, it's not even a lie, it's doublethink.
01:19:17.000And if you guys know 1984, it's so much worse than a lie because they're the ones actually doing what they're projecting.
01:20:13.000So I think the one thing I'd like to say to the audience to wrap this up about hydroxychloroquine, what do we know about it?
01:20:20.000We know in places where they have a lot of people who are already using it, the rate of COVID is very, very low, and I mean 100 times lower than it is here.
01:20:30.000We know in countries where they use it and use it in studies, in India, and they looked at patients that were already on it in Italy, Portugal.
01:20:39.000They did in Nigeria where they put patients on it prophylactically.
01:20:44.000The overall reduction in cases was about 80%.
01:20:48.000We know that the number one infectious disease person in the entire world, Didier Raoul, used it on 4,000 patients with azerythromycin and zinc and had tremendous results.
01:21:01.000And finally, I think lastly is that if we can get this over the counter, hydroxychloroquine will end this pandemic.
01:21:31.000You've seen what it does to children, see what it does to families, see what it does to human beings.
01:21:36.000And this crisis can end without a need for a vaccine, that a need for more shutdowns or lockdowns, canceling more sports.
01:21:44.000I have seen friends commit suicide, unfortunately, during this entire crisis that I believe was directly attributed to the lockdown and the lack of social cohesion.
01:21:55.000I've come to the conclusion that the architects of chaos in our society do not care about human life.
01:22:15.000COVID is not a Democratic or a Republican disease.
01:22:19.000While some of us are using this thing as a way to, we're just being opportunistic and thinking that it's going to help us politically, remember that the people that want to control the society and everything, they don't care whether you're Democratic or Republican.
01:22:36.000COVID doesn't care whether you're a Democrat or Republican.
01:22:38.000It's time for America to unite, leave politics out of it, unite as a people and fight for our combined destiny.
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