The Charlie Kirk Show - A Biblical Case Against BLM with Pastor James Kaddis

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00:00:14.000 James Cadiz, very good friend of mine that I spoke at his church about a month ago, is here on the Charlie Kirk Show.

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00:01:52.000 Hey, everybody.

00:01:53.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:55.000 So thrilled to be joined by a dear friend of mine, Pastor James Cadiz.

00:02:00.000 Pastor, I've only known you for a couple months now, and it's been awesome.

00:02:04.000 I met you at Pastor Jack Kibbs Church, Calvary Chapel, Chino Hills, and you're just awesome.

00:02:10.000 You have a great energy about yourself.

00:02:12.000 And you invited me to come speak at Signal Hill, Calvary Chapel Signal Hill.

00:02:16.000 We did three services together.

00:02:17.000 We spent the whole day together.

00:02:18.000 It was so much fun.

00:02:20.000 And we immediately connected.

00:02:22.000 And then I started to really listen to what you were saying.

00:02:24.000 I was like, I love this guy.

00:02:26.000 And you were saying what I have been wanting more pastors to say.

00:02:30.000 My pastor, Rob McCoy, has been leading the charge up in Thousand Oaks.

00:02:34.000 You're also under attack.

00:02:36.000 So, Pastor James, just introduce yourself first to the audience.

00:02:38.000 You are the pastor of Calvary Chapel Signal Hill, but you have a pretty awesome testimony.

00:02:44.000 Yeah, you know, God is so faithful.

00:02:46.000 So as you said, my name is James Cadiz.

00:02:47.000 I'm the senior pastor of Calvary Chapel Signal Hill.

00:02:50.000 My mom and my dad were both born and raised in Egypt.

00:02:54.000 I have quite a heritage behind me because my grandfather, so my dad's father, was a pastor in Egypt for 65 years and not a Coptic pastor.

00:03:02.000 We're talking a Presbyterian pastor, so he knows what persecution looks like.

00:03:07.000 My mom's father was in the same boat 35 years as a Baptist pastor in Egypt.

00:03:13.000 So neither of them were the traditional Christians that tend to be in that neutral position in Egypt.

00:03:19.000 I'm first generation born in this country.

00:03:22.000 Obviously, I was born being able to speak my parents' native language.

00:03:27.000 I was always taught to love the United States of America.

00:03:30.000 My mom and my dad love, has always had a love for America.

00:03:35.000 And they raised me up in the ways of the Lord.

00:03:38.000 And so, you know, I wasn't one of these guys that had some crazy past or anything like that.

00:03:42.000 But I can tell you that when God got a hold of my heart, he changed me pretty radically.

00:03:48.000 And very much like you, Charlie, I got involved serving the Lord at a really young age.

00:03:53.000 And I consider what you do a great ministry.

00:03:56.000 You know, you travel around in many of the same circles that I do, but the difference here with you is that God has blessed you on a national level and actually on an international level where you're doing a lot of things.

00:04:06.000 And at a very young age, you started.

00:04:08.000 You started, my goodness, what are you, 26 now?

00:04:12.000 And you started when you were probably even 15, 14 years old.

00:04:16.000 You started earlier than me.

00:04:17.000 And when I got saved, I got saved at 16 years old.

00:04:20.000 I've been teaching the Bible now for 27 years.

00:04:23.000 And it's been a tremendous blessing.

00:04:26.000 It's been an honor.

00:04:26.000 And, you know, we have a national radio show where we're all over the country.

00:04:30.000 And God has been able to, for whatever reason, and I still will never understand it, use this platform to be able to teach people to love God first, right?

00:04:39.000 Love their families.

00:04:40.000 And of course, I've always had a great love for our country, which is why I absolutely love you.

00:04:46.000 And I've been so blessed.

00:04:47.000 And that's why I think we've become very kindred with one another for that very reason.

00:04:50.000 Well, and you speak out boldly and unapologetically.

00:04:53.000 I love your YouTube channel, by the way.

00:04:55.000 It is awesome.

00:04:57.000 And so let's just get right into it.

00:04:59.000 And that was a phenomenal introduction.

00:05:01.000 You're under accusations by some people saying pastors should not be involved in politics.

00:05:06.000 What do you have to say about that?

00:05:08.000 I think it's actually immoral. 0.59

00:05:10.000 I'll go as far as to say it's actually disgusting.

00:05:13.000 Let me just simply say this.

00:05:14.000 To any pastor who would say that those of us that are Christians and especially church leaders, pastors, should not be involved in politics, let me ask you this question.

00:05:25.000 What other area of my life do you want me to compartmentalize away from God?

00:05:29.000 What other area of my life do you want me to create an exclusionary clause with respect to how I carry myself?

00:05:36.000 What other area of my life do I not apply my Christian worldview?

00:05:40.000 And I think that those are questions that they need to be held to answer because those that don't answer that question, truth be told, honestly, they need to really consider whether or not they should be in the ministry.

00:05:52.000 Because my view is this, if you choose not to get involved in the political arena, especially in an environment like the one that we're in today, you, forgive me for saying this, you are complicit.

00:06:04.000 You are complicit in the evil that chooses to propagate itself.

00:06:08.000 And make no mistake about it, the evil that is on this earth and in this country right now is a nefarious, absolutely calculated attempt to destroy that which belongs to God.

00:06:20.000 And as human beings who are walking with God, we are guardians of freedom.

00:06:24.000 We have an obligation to speak up about these things and we have an obligation to stand up for righteousness.

00:06:29.000 It's staggering to me that the same people that will condemn me for this are the same people that will stand for things like critical race theory and will actually say, hey, listen, Black Lives Matter. 0.54

00:06:41.000 I don't believe in Black Lives Matter Inc., but I believe in the statement.

00:06:44.000 Well, if you believed in the statement, why aren't you defending the 1500 black babies that are being killed every day?

00:06:50.000 Why aren't you defending the blatant racism that exists every single day with respect to the fact that we have a system that continues to propagate the mindset within the Democratic Party of continuing to say, hey, listen, Blackfeet people, you have no responsibility.

00:07:06.000 It's okay.

00:07:06.000 Let us think for you.

00:07:08.000 Let us take care for you.

00:07:09.000 Let us take care of you.

00:07:10.000 Let us speak for you.

00:07:11.000 We don't care about the fact that the family is falling apart.

00:07:14.000 As a matter of fact, we'll stand behind infrastructures that say we want to dismantle things like the nuclear family.

00:07:20.000 Or I don't even know what they mean when they say the Western prescribed the nuclear family.

00:07:24.000 I don't even know what Western prescribed means.

00:07:26.000 But anyway, it's pretty offensive, if you ask me.

00:07:30.000 So, Pastor, you're outspoken, and a lot of our listeners right now, they tune into our Sunday episodes as this is being aired.

00:07:37.000 And they have a lot of pastors that are afraid right now.

00:07:40.000 Your church is fully open.

00:07:41.000 No social distancing, no masks.

00:07:42.000 You still offer it on the radio if people want it, right?

00:07:44.000 Live stream.

00:07:45.000 That's right.

00:07:45.000 So you offer that with liberty, responsibility, right?

00:07:48.000 You trust your congregation to make the right choices.

00:07:50.000 That's right.

00:07:51.000 You have a little bit of a tussle with the LA Health Department.

00:07:53.000 We don't have to get into that if you don't want to, but you're standing, you're speaking out.

00:07:57.000 And so, what do you say, though, to a past?

00:08:00.000 Like some pastors are saying, and I get these messages all the time.

00:08:03.000 They say, Christians right now must stay out of the political realm.

00:08:07.000 It's messy. 0.98

00:08:08.000 It is dirty.

00:08:10.000 It is not biblical.

00:08:11.000 I get these messages, Pastor.

00:08:13.000 And again, I am not a pastor.

00:08:15.000 I'm a political guy and an author and all these things that is a Christian.

00:08:19.000 And then I go into the Christian world and I kind of say, hey, guys.

00:08:22.000 Can you help us out over here?

00:08:24.000 You know, because we're fighting and contesting for you.

00:08:27.000 And what do you have to say about that?

00:08:29.000 Because so many Christians out there are being misled by their pastors.

00:08:33.000 Well, we're shepherds.

00:08:34.000 Look, as pastors, we are called by God to be undershepherds.

00:08:38.000 And as undershepherds, we get our hands dirty for our sheep.

00:08:41.000 You know, one of the things that we're called to do is we're called to step in front of and step forward so that our sheep will not only be fed and be educated and understand, but we're called to put our necks out for them.

00:08:55.000 And the problem is this.

00:08:56.000 We talk about the stats.

00:08:57.000 And, you know, I've heard you say this many times.

00:09:00.000 I'm a believer in the facts.

00:09:01.000 I'm a believer in the truth.

00:09:02.000 I'm not necessarily a believer in the emotions and so on and so forth.

00:09:05.000 And this is a biblical principle.

00:09:07.000 The emotions lie to us.

00:09:08.000 They lie to us every single time for the most part.

00:09:11.000 And what ends up happening is when we adapt a philosophy and a mindset that says I will be governed and ruled by my emotions, you see the kind of nonsense that you're seeing in the streets right now.

00:09:20.000 And so this is an absolute truth.

00:09:22.000 But one of the things that I think we've got to go back to is the fact that we, as pastors, need to put our faith into action.

00:09:30.000 You see, one of the things that I told my board, and I made this very clear to them a long time ago, is I said, listen, guys, if I don't open up the doors to the church sooner than later, and you know, we never really closed our doors in the sense of, yes, we didn't allow people in the sanctuary for the first few weeks because we didn't really know what we were dealing with for probably the first four weeks or so, but we did have service in the parking lot.

00:09:50.000 So, and it was amazing.

00:09:52.000 I mean, I got to tell you, especially our Easter Sunday was a sight to behold.

00:09:56.000 But the thing that I would say is this: I would say that I, and this is what I told my board.

00:10:01.000 I told my board, I said, Look, if I get to the point where I continue to keep my doors closed, my word will become mud to the people that I serve.

00:10:10.000 And here's the reason why, because I have spent my whole life teaching them to trust in the Lord.

00:10:15.000 I've spent my whole life teaching them to not think about what it is that I can do in my own strength, but to lean on the strength of God.

00:10:23.000 God gives us his word.

00:10:25.000 Sometimes it does not completely check in with our emotional state at the time.

00:10:30.000 But if we'll learn to ignore the emotions and seek out that which is good, then we begin to see the hand of God coming to fruition in a great way.

00:10:38.000 Now, here's the question that I would ask the pastors who continue to close the doors of their church: How in the world will you ever expect your people to trust you later?

00:10:46.000 That's right.

00:10:46.000 How will you ever expect your people to say, Hey, well, my pastor, he's a man of faith.

00:10:50.000 He trusts in the Lord.

00:10:52.000 And for those that are going to churches where the doors are still being closed, I would simply say this: I would beg you to fast, pray, sit down, and make an appeal to your pastor.

00:11:02.000 If your pastor doesn't want to receive, then let me quote Rob McCoy: vote with your feet.

00:11:07.000 Walk away.

00:11:08.000 Go to a church that is open.

00:11:10.000 Go to a church where things are happening because here's the problem.

00:11:13.000 Right now, the greater problem that exists in society has absolutely nothing to do with the threat of COVID.

00:11:21.000 Okay, we already know that.

00:11:22.000 The CDC has already told us this.

00:11:24.000 We have 6% of the people that they say have died of COVID actually died of COVID alone.

00:11:30.000 Everything else has been something else.

00:11:32.000 And I'm not even going to talk about the scientific merits of this because the meritorious value of what I'm saying is something that really is undisputed with anybody that speaks the truth.

00:11:41.000 The issue that I would much rather visit here centers around what really is going on in society.

00:11:47.000 Listen, Charlie, 1,500% increase in suicidal ideation.

00:11:52.000 25% of the kids that are out there are either thinking about suicide or actually committing suicide.

00:12:00.000 For the first time in the last three months, listen, this is crazy.

00:12:04.000 In the last three months, we have more kids that are dying of suicide that are under age 35 than will ever die of the coronavirus.

00:12:13.000 And it's the same kind of nonsense that we choose to believe.

00:12:16.000 We're watching a public health disaster, but that public health disaster has to do with the mental and emotional and spiritual condition of the people that are out there.

00:12:25.000 And it goes along with the same lies that are being told right now in the age of what's going on with our law enforcement officers. 0.81

00:12:31.000 Oh, the black man and the minority is being hunted right now.

00:12:34.000 Oh, nationally, we're all being hunted. 0.93

00:12:36.000 Let me tell you something. 1.00

00:12:37.000 We lost way more black people. 1.00

00:12:41.000 I mean, let me take this even further. 1.00

00:12:43.000 Okay.

00:12:44.000 I mean, you've heard this.

00:12:45.000 You've heard the statistics.

00:12:46.000 You know, I don't even have to repeat this, but we lose way more black people in one day, one day to abortion.

00:12:53.000 One day, we lose more black people in one day than we've lost in the last 25 years to law enforcement interactions.

00:13:01.000 So what are we doing?

00:13:03.000 What is it that, I mean, why isn't it that we are not being proud to take a stand for the truth?

00:13:09.000 Because people are suffering and they're suffering dramatically and tremendously.

00:13:14.000 We need to speak up concerning those things.

00:13:16.000 And you're totally right.

00:13:17.000 So, Pastor, you are actually of Egyptian descent.

00:13:20.000 So, therefore, someone could call you an African-American.

00:13:23.000 That's right.

00:13:24.000 What is your stance on BLM Incorporated?

00:13:28.000 Okay, so not that I believe in identity politics.

00:13:31.000 So, I hate it. 0.93

00:13:32.000 I hate everything that is. 0.95

00:13:33.000 I abhor it too. 1.00

00:13:35.000 But let me just simply say, when you look at the black population, they are at best 13% of this country. 0.93

00:13:41.000 If you want to talk about a minority, okay?

00:13:43.000 I am less than 1%.

00:13:45.000 And anybody who has any friendship with anybody who comes from Egyptian descent understands the fact that it would be greatly offensive for you to go to somebody who's from Egypt and say, oh, well, you're an Arab.

00:13:55.000 No, I'm not an Arab.

00:13:57.000 I'm actually born in Egypt.

00:13:58.000 Well, my mom and dad are born in Egypt.

00:14:00.000 I come from a North African country.

00:14:03.000 So everybody that says I don't count because I'm from the Middle East or from, or no, actually, I count because I speak the truth.

00:14:09.000 Okay.

00:14:10.000 But putting all of that aside, when you talk about that, Black Lives Matter Incorporated, they are perhaps one of the most racist organizations alive besides the Democratic Party.

00:14:22.000 Forgive me for saying that.

00:14:22.000 I know I'm going to get myself in big trouble by lots of people for saying that, but they are extremely crude.

00:14:28.000 These are people that stand for the destruction of the nuclear family.

00:14:31.000 Listen, let me take it a step further.

00:14:32.000 Here's something a lot of people don't hear about BLM Inc., right?

00:14:35.000 You know how they make this big thing of say their name, you know, the person who died.

00:14:39.000 Say their name, say their name.

00:14:41.000 Listen, there are recordings.

00:14:42.000 You can find them out there.

00:14:43.000 And I know they're trying to erase their nasty history, but there are recordings out there of the founders.

00:14:48.000 I think it was Patrice who said this one.

00:14:50.000 I don't remember which one of them, but one of the founders actually saying that we say the dead people's name because it's a spiritual chant.

00:14:58.000 We are calling out their spiritual, I forgot exactly how she put it, but she's basically talking about the biblical definition of witchcraft.

00:15:06.000 So we're saying, well, I don't believe in the, I don't believe in the organization, but I believe in the name.

00:15:12.000 Well, let me give you a piece of advice for those of you that don't believe in the organization, but yet you believe in the saying, come up with a different saying that expresses the value of all human life. 0.98

00:15:22.000 Because do black lives matter? 0.94

00:15:24.000 White lives matter? 0.94

00:15:25.000 Everybody's lives matter. 0.86

00:15:26.000 And it's something that we need to grasp as human beings because the very moment in this nation we get to the point where we value one life over the other is the very moment we begin to see the furtherance of the kind of mechanisms that were deployed by Hitler to destroy a whole people.

00:15:43.000 And that's the same thing.

00:15:44.000 And we're seeing it in BDS.

00:15:45.000 I mean, the members of the, there's so many members of the house that believe in the boycott, the boycott divest sanction movement.

00:15:50.000 I mean, we're seeing it everywhere, and the racism is extraordinary.

00:15:54.000 And it's especially a joke when you see people that come from Muslim nations that are in the house right now.

00:16:00.000 And I can think a few of these girls that, and coming from a man who understands Islam very well, if they were to live in the countries in which they came from, believing what they believe, and even being as simple as putting a hijab on their face and representing men in their country, they'd be murdered immediately. 1.00

00:16:17.000 Immediately under the same Sharia law in Islam that they claim to defend and say is superior to our Constitution. 0.62

00:16:25.000 It's offensive. 1.00

00:16:26.000 And so much there. 1.00

00:16:29.000 What do you have to say to churches that are engaging in this BLM nonsense right now? 0.97

00:16:34.000 They say it's scriptural.

00:16:35.000 They see it's theological.

00:16:37.000 The Southern Baptist Convention is embracing critical race theory.

00:16:41.000 There are pastors that are telling their congregation.

00:16:43.000 I got an email right here, Pastor, and I'll paraphrase it, that they're telling their congregation that systemic racism is the greatest issue in America.

00:16:52.000 This is happening in our churches, Pastor.

00:16:55.000 Make sense of this for us.

00:16:56.000 Yeah, it's evil.

00:16:58.000 So it's, again, it's them embracing a culture in which they are seeking to become like the culture and feel relevant because they don't have enough faith in the true and living God to establish what real relevance should be in this culture.

00:17:14.000 And that's the thing that we've got to always go back and reiterate.

00:17:17.000 As Christians, we have the obligation to shape the culture instead of allowing the culture to shape us.

00:17:24.000 And the whole mindset in which people can get away with doing this, spiritual leaders can get away with doing this, comes from their desire to be accepted and to be relevant instead of to actually tell the truth.

00:17:37.000 Because oftentimes, as you know, when we tell the truth, there is a consequence for telling the truth.

00:17:42.000 And the consequence oftentimes is, yes, people will reject us.

00:17:45.000 People don't like us.

00:17:46.000 But here's the thing.

00:17:47.000 I want to be on the right side of history.

00:17:49.000 And so for people like the Southern Baptist Convention, and by the way, I'll say this right now.

00:17:53.000 I can tell you this from experience.

00:17:55.000 When big organizations like the Southern Baptist Convention make a statement like that, they don't represent their whole constituency.

00:18:01.000 A good majority of their constituency disagree with those ridiculous assertions, but the few influential people that are in those circles will do it so that they can create some kind of a weird adaptation to their political friends that they have where they can kind of keep their status quo.

00:18:19.000 The problem is this.

00:18:20.000 The problem is they have to deny the truth completely.

00:18:24.000 They have become modern day existentialists.

00:18:27.000 That's exactly what they've become.

00:18:29.000 They are walking away from the truth because the truth is this.

00:18:32.000 Our country didn't start in 1619.

00:18:35.000 Our country was established in 1776.

00:18:37.000 The truth is that the Constitution was a literal referendum.

00:18:41.000 It was a literal referendum on slavery.

00:18:44.000 When we talk about the Democratic Party and the Republican Party, oh my goodness, the Republican Party was in essence an abolitionist movement.

00:18:51.000 And when we talk about the purveyors of slavery, let's talk about the sin of slavery for a second.

00:18:56.000 How about we do this?

00:18:56.000 I'll be able to get away.

00:18:57.000 Well, I probably won't get it.

00:18:58.000 They'll get mad at me for saying this, but it's true. 1.00

00:19:01.000 The number one purveyors of slaves back then were the same amount of purveyors of slaves that exist today. 1.00

00:19:08.000 It's the same group of people, and it is in many cases the Arab Muslim. 0.99

00:19:12.000 And people are not, they're not, they're not accepting that. 1.00

00:19:15.000 They're not looking about that.

00:19:16.000 Go do some reading on the Barbary Coast.

00:19:19.000 Spend some time looking at what reality is.

00:19:21.000 Let's talk about what it is.

00:19:23.000 Is slavery a heinous sin that our nation had to face and deal with?

00:19:26.000 Absolutely.

00:19:27.000 Did it come at a great price?

00:19:29.000 Yes.

00:19:29.000 We lost more Americans over the issue of slavery.

00:19:33.000 Almost a million Americans.

00:19:35.000 We lost so many Americans over the issue of slavery, fighting brothers against brothers, sisters against sisters, mothers against daughters.

00:19:42.000 I mean, it was a horrible, horrible period in our history, but it was also a time that's reflective of an amazing group of people that wanted to see equality for all.

00:19:53.000 And yet we choose to deny it because we are becoming history revisionists.

00:19:58.000 And the reason why the far left is getting away with it is because the church is allowing it.

00:20:04.000 If the church never allowed it, I promise you it would never happen.

00:20:07.000 I completely agree.

00:20:08.000 So, Pastor, can you now dive into the theology of it?

00:20:11.000 Get scriptural for us because there's a lot of people listening to this that are searching.

00:20:14.000 And at the end, I do want to kind of talk about the need for people to give their life to Christ.

00:20:19.000 We try to do that at least, you know, once a week with different people.

00:20:21.000 But let's just say, can you just debunk when people say that, no, no, no, no, Jesus Christ would be marching in the streets of BLM?

00:20:29.000 I hear this all the time.

00:20:30.000 No, no, no.

00:20:31.000 I hear this.

00:20:32.000 Tell us theologically why BLM, critical race theory, are anti-biblical.

00:20:38.000 Yeah, so it would be a lie.

00:20:40.000 Okay.

00:20:40.000 First of all, BLM is anti-biblical at the core of what the Bible teaches us.

00:20:46.000 BLM starts becoming anti-biblical right at Genesis, right?

00:20:50.000 Because we hear or we read in Genesis, in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 1.00

00:20:54.000 The earth was without form and void.

00:20:55.000 And then he goes on to describe this beautiful manifestation of the artistic rendering of God's hand when he created the world.

00:21:02.000 Okay.

00:21:03.000 Then we get into God's construction of the family.

00:21:07.000 Okay. 0.53

00:21:07.000 He puts husband and wife together. 0.53

00:21:09.000 He tells husband and wife, hey, be fruitful and multiply.

00:21:12.000 He creates the infrastructure of the family.

00:21:15.000 And the core values of BLM Inc. is to tear it apart.

00:21:19.000 Okay.

00:21:22.000 The function, one of the greatest functions of mankind that God built into them is to build up, is to actually be people who take something and imitate him, right?

00:21:34.000 We were made in his likeness and image.

00:21:36.000 God created, he molded and he shaped.

00:21:38.000 Listen, there's a reason why Genesis 1-1 says, in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

00:21:43.000 And then there's another reason why the declaration was made in verse 2, and the earth was without form and void.

00:21:48.000 When you look at it in the Hebrew language, it's making a very simple declaration.

00:21:52.000 It's saying, listen, God is the one who created the heavens and the earth.

00:21:55.000 And then in verse 2, it says, he then went on to artistically render his beauty with his hands, molding and shaping creation into existence.

00:22:06.000 Now, that means that God modeled for us what it looked like to actually create and to build and to be fruitful and to have dignity in our work. 0.93

00:22:15.000 And so Black Lives Matter Incorporated, their whole stated objective is to destroy that so that single mothers can be trained to fight as activists to destroy that which gets built. 0.89

00:22:28.000 So their core value comes against the scriptures right from the get. 0.68

00:22:33.000 And for people who say that Jesus would have marched in the streets, it's an absolutely obscene and absurd thing to say.

00:22:41.000 The mechanism that drove Jesus was his understanding of mankind's heart.

00:22:46.000 When Jesus responded to somebody or when he spoke to somebody, Jesus never spoke to the circumstance.

00:22:50.000 See, this is the thing that you got to understand.

00:22:52.000 When you go out and riot in the streets, the rioting in the streets seeks to speak to a particular circumstance.

00:22:59.000 As a matter of fact, it capitalizes on a particular circumstance.

00:23:03.000 Something happens, thus I go respond to it.

00:23:05.000 Jesus never did that.

00:23:06.000 When Jesus went and spoke to somebody, he had a circumstance be unveiled before him.

00:23:12.000 He was watching something happen.

00:23:13.000 But what he did was he analyzed the condition of the hearts of the people he was spoke to, and he ignored the circumstance and spoke straight to the heart.

00:23:22.000 It was a model of truth.

00:23:23.000 Think about the woman at the well.

00:23:25.000 The woman at the well is asking him all kinds of questions.

00:23:27.000 Oh, what do you think about this, Lord?

00:23:29.000 And Jesus says, go get your husband.

00:23:29.000 What do you think about that?

00:23:32.000 Now, what in the world?

00:23:34.000 That didn't even make sense.

00:23:36.000 Where did that come from? 0.84

00:23:37.000 Well, that woman would have known where that came from.

00:23:40.000 And she goes on to say, well, I, you know, I really don't have a husband. 0.96

00:23:43.000 Yeah, you're right, lady. 0.97

00:23:44.000 You don't have one.

00:23:45.000 You've had many, and the one that you have right now isn't your husband.

00:23:48.000 And then he begins to speak to the longing in her heart for a desire for something deeper that she's thirsted for, that no man could ever be able to address.

00:23:59.000 And as he spoke to that, her life was changed.

00:24:03.000 And you know what she did?

00:24:04.000 She went forth and went to other people and didn't seek to destroy those people who lived the lifestyle that she used to live. 0.78

00:24:11.000 That's not what she did.

00:24:12.000 She didn't go to a far-left tactic. 1.00

00:24:13.000 You know what she did?

00:24:14.000 She went to tell people about what Jesus did in her life.

00:24:17.000 She went to tell people they were not obstacles to her.

00:24:20.000 They were opportunities for God to do something substantial in their life.

00:24:24.000 She said, Hey, look at what God did in my life.

00:24:27.000 And this is the story of what Jesus did.

00:24:29.000 Jesus even did this while he was hanging on the cross.

00:24:32.000 If Jesus was a protester and a marcher, why in the world would he allow himself to be crucified on the cross?

00:24:38.000 And while he was being crucified on the cross, he looks over, he tells a thief on the cross who is begging for some kind of semblance of peace in his heart.

00:24:46.000 He says, Hey, today you're going to be with me in paradise.

00:24:48.000 And here's the thing that people don't understand. 0.78

00:24:50.000 And this goes back to the mentality of Black Lives Matter Inc. and the mindset of Christianity as it relates to the scriptures.

00:24:58.000 Think this concept through for just a second.

00:25:01.000 When Christ died on the cross for us, it was considered the ultimate sacrifice.

00:25:05.000 But here's the thing that people don't realize: he didn't go to the cross willingly.

00:25:08.000 The fact that he went to the cross willingly is patently unbiblical.

00:25:12.000 The Bible says that Jesus said, Hey, look, not my will be done, but thy will be done.

00:25:17.000 God, if there's any way this cup can pass from me, let it pass.

00:25:19.000 He clearly didn't want to go to the cross willingly.

00:25:22.000 He clearly didn't want to go to the cross.

00:25:23.000 But you know what?

00:25:24.000 He didn't go to the cross willingly.

00:25:26.000 He went to the cross obediently.

00:25:29.000 See, and that's the thing that we have to understand.

00:25:31.000 Christ himself was the epitome of a man who demonstrated not capitulating to the emotions of a human being and yet yielding to the obedience given to us, stipulated in the scriptures by the Father.

00:25:46.000 And he had a sinless nature.

00:25:48.000 Now, he modeled us what that means.

00:25:50.000 So if we want to listen to our emotions, what do we do?

00:25:53.000 Black Lives Matter Inc., we go out in the streets, we burn things down. 0.99

00:25:56.000 If we want to be obedient to our Father, we look at those things as opportunities and we seek to build.

00:26:02.000 We seek to build.

00:26:04.000 The only time we're ever told to tear anything down as Christians is to tear down the evil flesh that dwells within us because we are born in a condition of total depravity, right?

00:26:13.000 The old man dies.

00:26:14.000 We're crucified with Christ.

00:26:16.000 We're reconciled again unto him in newness of life. 0.89

00:26:19.000 And that's why this whole movement is so patently unbiblical.

00:26:22.000 And that's why it is so evil to see these pastors capitulating to this wicked mindset.

00:26:28.000 That's a great way to put it: that God tells us to create on earth, not to tear down on earth.

00:26:33.000 That's a very insightful point.

00:26:35.000 So theologically, can you break apart some of this new left movement that's trying to intersect with Christianity where they say Jesus would have been a Marxist, Jesus was a socialist?

00:26:45.000 Where are they wrong there?

00:26:47.000 Okay, well, I can end it with just one simple statement.

00:26:50.000 Okay.

00:26:51.000 If Jesus was a socialist and Jesus would have been a Marxist, Jesus would have never said, render unto Caesar's what is Caesar's and give unto God's, which is God's.

00:26:59.000 There's no way he would have done that.

00:27:01.000 There is no way that Jesus would have submitted to the governing authorities as they subjected him to everything that led him to the cross.

00:27:11.000 So right away, we can throw that mindset right to the curb.

00:27:15.000 There's absolutely no room for making an argument like that because Jesus himself spoke against those types of things completely, right?

00:27:24.000 The tenets of Marxism and the tenets of socialism completely void ourselves of any kind of dependency upon God or any religious infrastructure.

00:27:34.000 As a matter of fact, I think it was Marx who said that religion is the opiate of the people.

00:27:39.000 And if you really think about it, you look at the tenets by which Christ taught us to live, everything that Christ taught us to live was completely and antithetically opposed to that which Marxism stands for.

00:27:50.000 Marxism separates us from accountability with our creator.

00:27:54.000 Marxist separates us from any desire to want to work honorably.

00:27:57.000 You can even go back to the Old Testament and you think about the way the Old Testament system worked.

00:28:02.000 You go and you look at the farms that people owned.

00:28:05.000 God told those farmers, He said, Listen, leave the outside edges of your farm untouched.

00:28:10.000 We don't want you to reap anything from your, when it's time for you to reap your harvest, don't touch the outside edges of your farm.

00:28:16.000 Why?

00:28:17.000 Because those that are poor, those that have no money, those that have no ability to be able to have their own farm, their welfare system is to go out to the farm themselves and to actually reap that which was left over.

00:28:30.000 Now, that did several things.

00:28:31.000 Number one, it taught those that were wealthy to take responsibility on a social level for those that did not have that kind of wealth, number one.

00:28:39.000 But number two, and more importantly, it gave honor and it gave, here's a word, ready?

00:28:45.000 Dignity to those who were without.

00:28:48.000 They didn't just sit there and collect a paycheck from the government. 0.99

00:28:51.000 They didn't sit there and demand to be on an equal level.

00:28:53.000 They worked with their hands and it created dignity with them.

00:28:57.000 And you know what's really interesting about that?

00:28:59.000 It always left room for those that were poor because you had to develop a skill set to be able to harvest from anybody's farm, whether or not it was your farm.

00:29:09.000 And as you develop that skill set, you would eventually be able to have what you need to actually create your own industry, to create your own skill set.

00:29:18.000 And this is something that we learn today.

00:29:19.000 You have a guy who's a repairman.

00:29:21.000 He works for a large company.

00:29:22.000 He develops a skill set with his hand.

00:29:24.000 He gets really, really good at it.

00:29:25.000 He starts some side jobs.

00:29:26.000 Eventually, what does he do?

00:29:28.000 He starts his own business.

00:29:29.000 He walks away from that business.

00:29:30.000 And we see that kind of a thing.

00:29:32.000 And this is something that's inspired by what we read in the scriptures and certainly not what we read in the writings of Marx.

00:29:39.000 Yeah, that's well put.

00:29:41.000 So, Pastor, can you answer some why just kind of emails we get here?

00:29:46.000 People say, Charlie, Christianity is nothing but mythology.

00:29:49.000 It's been debunked.

00:29:50.000 It's an old book.

00:29:51.000 It's disproven.

00:29:52.000 What is your best response to all that?

00:29:54.000 So my best response is those are statements that are not founded in fact.

00:29:58.000 And my response would be, you need to show me that those statements are true.

00:30:02.000 You need to prove those things to me.

00:30:03.000 And most of the time, they can't prove those things.

00:30:05.000 And there's a lot of statements we can make with respect to the Bible itself.

00:30:08.000 The Bible itself presents, yes, many problems in the minds of most people that initially approach it simply because of the issues with respect to original language and so on and so forth.

00:30:18.000 But what's really interesting when we look at the evidence of the accuracy of the Bible, right, as well as the evidence of the existing accuracy of the manuscripts themselves, we have more manuscript evidence to establish not only the historicity of the Bible, but the accuracy of the Bible than we do to establish the accuracy and even the historicity of Shakespeare.

00:30:43.000 And people don't get that.

00:30:43.000 Okay.

00:30:45.000 Based on the rules that we use to approach this, there is a forensic to this.

00:30:50.000 We have an establishment to be able to determine that the Bible is actually true.

00:30:56.000 And the other thing that's really amazing is the Bible is the only book.

00:30:59.000 There is no other book that makes claim to prophetic things that can be established as truly fulfilled by an examination of history and fulfilled with some remarkable, remarkable, remarkable accuracy, right down to the point where things, even to the day in some respects, have been accurately predicted in the Bible.

00:31:20.000 And so for somebody to say that there's no way in the world that that can be true, it just comes from the fact that they sit in the same mindset that many people on the left sit.

00:31:30.000 I've never had a conversation with anybody on the left, including liberal-leaning pastors, right?

00:31:35.000 Where I said, they tell me, oh, I hate Trump. 0.99

00:31:38.000 He's wicked. 1.00

00:31:38.000 He's evil. 1.00

00:31:39.000 He's a racist. 1.00

00:31:40.000 He's this. 1.00

00:31:41.000 I ask him the same question every single time.

00:31:42.000 Give me one thing, one thing that establishes your statement.

00:31:46.000 I just want fact, one fact.

00:31:48.000 Don't give me an emotion.

00:31:49.000 Don't tell me you don't like the way he says.

00:31:51.000 Just give me one fact.

00:31:52.000 I've never had a person that could give me one fact, not a single one.

00:31:56.000 And it's the same thing with the Bible.

00:31:57.000 People go back and they listen to the rhetoric that people share, but they never want to take the time to even establish its accuracy.

00:32:06.000 And one of the questions that I oftentimes ask is I say, well, have you even read the Bible from cover to cover?

00:32:11.000 Most of the time they'll say no.

00:32:12.000 Most of the time they, so again, it goes back to, well, give me some solid insight as into why it's inaccurate or it has a fallacy, and then we'll come down and we'll deal with it because there are answers to virtually everything.

00:32:25.000 I've been doing this for 27 years, and I'm telling you, there's virtually an answer for every single fallacy that exists concerning the Bible or claim that's made concerning the Bible because the truth is the truth.

00:32:36.000 And that's why we're not scared of the truth.

00:32:37.000 So what, so some people say, well, all religions are the same.

00:32:40.000 They all believe in mysticism and all this.

00:32:43.000 You came from the culture your family came from, Christian lineage, but was in Islamic culture.

00:32:49.000 You know, you speak eight languages, right?

00:32:51.000 Or something like that, right?

00:32:52.000 Seven languages?

00:32:53.000 I speak a few languages.

00:32:54.000 Yeah.

00:32:55.000 Somebody said you spoke eight languages.

00:32:57.000 What makes Christianity different than any other religion, especially Islam?

00:33:02.000 Okay, so what makes Christianity different than any other religion is because every claim that Christianity makes is different than any other religion. 0.73

00:33:09.000 As a matter of fact, that's really interesting.

00:33:11.000 When you look at the many other religions that are out there and you look at the claims that they make, they are oftentimes some kind of a perversion of the original claims of the Bible.

00:33:23.000 So the Bible makes some very unique claims that no other religion does claim.

00:33:27.000 For example, the Bible makes claims about Jesus Christ being God, Jesus Christ actually being crucified, buried, and resurrected, right?

00:33:35.000 The historicity of that statement alone is easily identifiable.

00:33:39.000 It's easily establishable.

00:33:40.000 I mean, there's so many pieces of evidence that sit around the resurrection of Christ alone, which makes Christianity so unique.

00:33:48.000 Christianity holds human beings accountable.

00:33:51.000 Christianity, you look at all the philosophers that existed out there, if you look at every single philosopher that had anything credible to say about the human condition, you can go back and you can look at those statements and you can track them back to the Bible. 0.94

00:34:05.000 You can look at them.

00:34:06.000 I mean, even John, he makes a declaration about Jesus that was so unique.

00:34:10.000 Well, you got to understand the Greek mindset when John wrote his book.

00:34:13.000 The Greek mindset when John wrote his book is there's 100 million gods out there, right?

00:34:17.000 I mean, there's this God, that God, here, God, that God, here, you know, and they had, they worshiped every kind of God.

00:34:22.000 And then John, he writes, he pins down this phrase.

00:34:25.000 He says, In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.

00:34:32.000 And then he goes on to say, and the word became flesh.

00:34:35.000 So he identifies every questionable God that they have, and he says, any fake or fictitious God that you can think of is reconciled in the true and living God, and that's Jesus Christ who manifested himself here on this earth, became a man, and suffered so that we could experience salvation.

00:34:57.000 And it's very interesting because I don't know of any other religion that speaks of the story of redemption like Christianity does.

00:35:03.000 I don't know of any other claim, any other mindset.

00:35:08.000 And it's interesting.

00:35:09.000 You look at Islam. 1.00

00:35:10.000 Islam is the epitome of destruction. 1.00

00:35:13.000 I mean, you think about this. 1.00

00:35:14.000 Look, when those 9-11 terrorists got in those airplanes and they flew those airplanes into our building, they weren't screaming.

00:35:20.000 They weren't going, ah, I'm so scared.

00:35:22.000 No, they were saying, ya liahi illallahu Muhammad Rasulullah. 0.91

00:35:25.000 They were literally praising the name of their fake God, Allah. 0.72

00:35:29.000 And it's interesting because even the Quran itself, listen, I'm a biblical fundamentalist.

00:35:34.000 I believe in the fundamentals of the Bible.

00:35:37.000 If you are a fundamentalist of the Quran, then you believe in death destruction and you believe in taking over by force. 1.00

00:35:44.000 Why in the world do you think these girls in the house right now who are Islamic are literally encouraging people to go out into the streets and take things by force? 1.00

00:35:54.000 It's inspired by the cultic, demonic construction that you find in Islam. 1.00

00:36:00.000 And it's so amazing to me too, because there's so many variations and cults of it that people continue to buy a lie. 1.00

00:36:07.000 The black Islamic movement, for example, is a great example.

00:36:10.000 You have a lot of black Americans right now that are really embracing the black Islamic movement when it, by the way, Islam at its core does not like black people. 0.73

00:36:21.000 You think about it, but it's tolerated in the United States. 0.56

00:36:24.000 The black Islamic movement is tolerated in the United States by those that are in the Middle East because it is a motion for awareness, you know, of Allah. 1.00

00:36:36.000 And so it's a further opportunity to propagate this fake religion. 1.00

00:36:41.000 But again, it goes right back to it.

00:36:43.000 And you go back. 0.92

00:36:44.000 I mean, I think of Islam alone. 1.00

00:36:45.000 It demands that you give your sons to kill for the glory of Allah when the Bible says Jesus, the Son of God, was sacrificed. 1.00

00:36:56.000 God gave his son for us, that we wouldn't have to die.

00:36:59.000 You think about that.

00:37:00.000 And so it's a sad reality, but unfortunately, it's a truth that a lot of people don't even know about.

00:37:07.000 And if they really did understand the tenets of it, they'd probably change their mind, to be honest with you.

00:37:12.000 Yeah, that's really well said. 0.79

00:37:14.000 Last question: Why should Christians vote for Donald Trump? 0.81

00:37:19.000 Oh, my goodness. 0.63

00:37:20.000 If you had asked me that question at the beginning of this podcast, I would take the rest of the podcast.

00:37:25.000 First of all, let me just make this statement.

00:37:26.000 I think President Trump is going to go down as the greatest president in U.S. history.

00:37:30.000 And I know that there's a lot of Christians that get mad at me when I say that because they say, President Trump's a bad guy. 1.00

00:37:35.000 He's a playboy, crazy, dirty businessman. 0.99

00:37:38.000 The guy's been divorced two times, married three times, and he's just a and I just tell them all the same thing. 1.00

00:37:44.000 I like, I say, look at the man's actions.

00:37:47.000 Let's look at President Bush, okay?

00:37:49.000 Let's just talk about President Bush for a second because a lot of Christians love President Bush.

00:37:52.000 And I got to tell you, I love the man.

00:37:54.000 I love his person.

00:37:55.000 I've loved every president we've ever had in the sense that I've always prayed for them.

00:37:58.000 But you like President Bush?

00:38:00.000 And everyone says, oh, yeah, I like President Bush.

00:38:01.000 He's a really good guy.

00:38:02.000 He's a classy guy or whatever.

00:38:04.000 Did President Bush ever do for anti-abortion what President Trump has ever done?

00:38:08.000 And you know what they all tell me?

00:38:09.000 They say, oh, yeah, he did.

00:38:10.000 I say, okay, did he ever appear at a March for Life?

00:38:13.000 Did he ever write more executive orders than you can shake a stick at to make abortion hard in this country?

00:38:19.000 Did he ever push for legislation to come against abortion?

00:38:22.000 Did he ever seek to appoint Supreme Court justices that would come against abortion?

00:38:28.000 You could easily say no on that one, right?

00:38:31.000 Yet most people don't realize that his own wife was an activist for pro-abortion. 1.00

00:38:37.000 And that's a harsh statement to make, but it's absolutely true. 0.57

00:38:40.000 And I'm going to stop to just simply say President Trump has done everything humanly possible to prevent abortion in this country.

00:38:48.000 President Trump has done everything that he can as a president to fight against abortion.

00:38:53.000 That alone would be enough of a reason for me to take a stand for him and to vote for him.

00:38:58.000 But I'm voting for him for lots of other things.

00:39:00.000 I'm voting for him because he is the friendliest president we have ever had towards free speech, towards religion, towards freedom of religion.

00:39:08.000 He's been very friendly towards pastors.

00:39:10.000 He's been very, very friendly towards every kind of cause that you can think of that stands up for righteousness.

00:39:16.000 He is the best president that we have ever had for the family.

00:39:20.000 He's the best president we've ever had for education.

00:39:23.000 He's the best president.

00:39:24.000 Listen, you know this.

00:39:25.000 I've talked about this.

00:39:26.000 My wife and I are really, we're really seeking to adopt children.

00:39:29.000 We're looking.

00:39:29.000 We're asking God to bring little babies in our lives that we can adopt.

00:39:33.000 People don't know this.

00:39:34.000 President Trump has actually been very friendly for people wanting to adopt children, including him pushing to make more tax credits for people who spend a lot of money to adopt children.

00:39:45.000 Our president, my president, I'm proud of my president, has done everything that he can possibly.

00:39:51.000 And let me just also say this.

00:39:53.000 He is the epitome of a hardworking man.

00:39:55.000 He's not lazy.

00:39:57.000 He's up all the time.

00:39:58.000 He's going on everywhere.

00:40:00.000 I mean, you've got this guy who's running for president who's literally hiding in the basement.

00:40:05.000 He comes out to say hi every 20 some odd days when our president is going from two to three to four to five states every single day.

00:40:14.000 And he's working hard.

00:40:15.000 And you know something I can listen.

00:40:16.000 I have been in the business of people for a very, very long time.

00:40:19.000 And I can tell when a man loves people and that man loves people.

00:40:23.000 Say, oh, give me evidence of that.

00:40:24.000 How can you tell that he loves people?

00:40:26.000 He just wants more power.

00:40:27.000 He wants more power?

00:40:28.000 Wait, hold on.

00:40:29.000 He came into office worth $6 billion.

00:40:33.000 $6 billion.

00:40:35.000 Everybody loved him.

00:40:36.000 I think, I actually think Barack Obama at one point, before all the controversy.

00:40:42.000 He said the American dream was to be like the American dream.

00:40:45.000 This is a guy who had the best life that anybody could, and yet he gave it all up for the sake of serving the American people.

00:40:54.000 You know what that sounds like to me?

00:40:55.000 That sounds like somebody that I know that I love and I worship, and that's Jesus Christ.

00:40:59.000 He acts in the same way.

00:41:01.000 He behaves in a selfless way.

00:41:02.000 He gave up everything, right?

00:41:05.000 So that he could do for our nation.

00:41:07.000 How many people are doing that right now?

00:41:09.000 Even these people that are riding in the streets, they're not giving up anything.

00:41:12.000 They're not giving up anything for this nation.

00:41:15.000 They're tearing this nation down.

00:41:17.000 These people that are serving in the Senate, they have no idea what it means to be independently wealthy.

00:41:22.000 Their wealth comes from their lying, they're cheating, and they're stealing.

00:41:25.000 And that's just reality.

00:41:26.000 And I think it's something that oftentimes we dismiss.

00:41:29.000 We don't really look at it for what it is.

00:41:31.000 He truly is the greatest, if not the best president we've ever had in this nation.

00:41:37.000 I'm so thankful to the Lord for him.

00:41:38.000 And I think every single Christian should not be ashamed to say so.

00:41:42.000 Listen, if we're not ashamed to say Jesus Christ is Lord and it's acceptable for us to be ridiculed over standing for Christ, why wouldn't we stand for righteousness?

00:41:52.000 Christ is far more supreme than Donald Trump will ever be.

00:41:55.000 He's the one that's really going to save this world.

00:41:57.000 He's the one where we truly have our hope in, right?

00:42:00.000 If we're willing to take a stand for righteousness on his behalf, why wouldn't we be able to speak up when we see a man who is standing up for righteousness?

00:42:09.000 And contesting for what we believe in and what we care about.

00:42:11.000 Amen.

00:42:12.000 It's so important.

00:42:13.000 Well, Pastor James, how can people stay in touch with you?

00:42:15.000 How can they follow you on social media?

00:42:17.000 And we're going to have to have you back sometime soon.

00:42:19.000 I'd be honored, bro.

00:42:20.000 I really would be honored.

00:42:21.000 Well, on my Instagram, I'm at it's at James Cadiz.

00:42:26.000 K-A-D-D-I-S.

00:42:28.000 Yes, so K-A-D-D-I-S. 0.79

00:42:30.000 Right.

00:42:31.000 So at James Cadiz.

00:42:33.000 And then my YouTube is Calvary Chapel Signal Hill.

00:42:37.000 So it's just the name of my church.

00:42:39.000 And we do a new video every single day.

00:42:41.000 And we're talking about current issues every day and tackling a lot of these issues.

00:42:44.000 And then on Facebook, our church Facebook is simply Calvary Chapel Signal Hill.

00:42:51.000 And so if you go to any one of those, we'll keep you informed and continue to, you know, stand for righteousness.

00:42:57.000 I think it's important.

00:42:58.000 Awesome.

00:42:58.000 God bless you, Pastor James.

00:43:00.000 We'll have to have you on soon.

00:43:01.000 Thank you again.

00:43:02.000 Charlie, love you, brother.

00:43:03.000 Thank you.

00:43:04.000 Talk to you soon.

00:43:07.000 What a great conversation that was with Pastor James.

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00:43:19.000 And tomorrow we are starting our national radio program.

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00:43:38.000 Thank you guys so much for listening.

00:43:39.000 God bless.

00:43:40.000 We'll be back with more tomorrow.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - October 04, 2020

A Biblical Case Against BLM with Pastor James Kaddis

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