The Charlie Kirk Show - A Civilization Dies Tonight? The Iran Panic Attack On the Right

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00:01:18.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show here at the YReFi studio in Phoenix, Arizona.

00:01:23.000 Welcome back, Blake.

00:01:24.000 Howdy.

00:01:25.000 It's good to be here.

00:01:26.000 President Trump issued a truth that has, I would, I think it's safe to say the entire internet spinning and the whole entire world, probably.

00:01:35.000 The truth says a whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again.

00:01:41.000 I don't want that to happen, but it probably will, he says.

00:01:45.000 However, now that we have complete and total regime change, where different, smarter, and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen.

00:01:54.000 Who knows?

00:01:56.000 We will find out tonight.

00:01:57.000 One of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the world, 47 years of extortion, corruption, and death will finally end.

00:02:04.000 God bless the great people of Iran.

00:02:07.000 So everybody online who has been anti-war, which I consider myself to be a part of, by the way, is going to a conclusion here that I never would have even thought had I not read the comments.

00:02:23.000 Everybody's assuming that he's going to wipe out Iran with a nuclear weapon.

00:02:27.000 He did say a civilization will die tonight.

00:02:29.000 Well, so first of all, I think this is a huge litmus test.

00:02:33.000 Never to return.

00:02:35.000 Well, I think he's talking about the regime, but listen, I just, maybe I'm wrong.

00:02:42.000 Maybe I'm the crazy one and I'm not looking at President Trump's truth here in the proper light.

00:02:48.000 I don't think that's true. 0.91

00:02:49.000 So I know President Trump to be, to use a more polite word for it, Blake, he is a smack talker.

00:02:58.000 He does back it up oftentimes with actual military kinetic force.

00:02:58.000 Okay.

00:03:02.000 We've seen that in Venezuela.

00:03:03.000 We've seen that with the mother of all bombs.

00:03:05.000 We've seen that with Soleimani.

00:03:07.000 We've seen it, obviously, in Iran.

00:03:08.000 So I'm not saying these are, you know, empty threats.

00:03:13.000 I don't think that at all.

00:03:14.000 He's given them a deadline of 8 p.m. tonight.

00:03:17.000 He extended it once to basically say, come to the negotiating table, open the straight.

00:03:24.000 He used an expletive.

00:03:26.000 Open the expletive straight.

00:03:27.000 Open the expletive straight, and then he did the, you know, praise be to Allah.

00:03:33.000 Yeah, tweet, which was another tweet that's got everybody spun up.

00:03:36.000 So, I mean, I'm looking up and down the line here.

00:03:39.000 You've got Brett Weinstein.

00:03:41.000 You've got, of course, Tucker Carlson, Rokana.

00:03:44.000 You've got a lot of people basically now saying, invoke the 25th, get him out of office.

00:03:50.000 And then you have a bunch of other people that are saying, guys, keep your wits about you.

00:03:55.000 You know, JD Vance is out there in Hungary, basically sounding a pretty conventional tone.

00:04:02.000 You know, JD is known to be one of the people inside the administration who is more on the anti-interventionist track.

00:04:10.000 It's kind of like when Rush Limbaugh used to say, I'll let you know when it's time to worry.

00:04:15.000 And I don't think we're there yet.

00:04:17.000 I think this is an incredibly important day.

00:04:19.000 This is a critical day, a historic day.

00:04:23.000 But to jump to conclusion that President Trump is considering using a nuclear weapon, I think is beyond rational.

00:04:31.000 And I would say he already did correct the record in the New York Post.

00:04:35.000 He told them that he's not planning on using a new.

00:04:37.000 Well, we'll see.

00:04:38.000 It is, as you say, he loves to go maximally aggressive rhetorically a lot, and then he will back off.

00:04:45.000 We saw this with Greenland, for example.

00:04:47.000 There was all this stuff like we were going to invade Greenland.

00:04:50.000 And then he says, oh, we got some better basing rights and mineral rights and whatever.

00:04:54.000 And so I think everyone's holding their breath because, as you say, it frankly is possible.

00:05:01.000 He uses, it doesn't need to be a nuclear weapon.

00:05:04.000 He might drop one of those like mother of all bombs on them, or he could just mean I'm going to hit targets that were off limits before.

00:05:11.000 And he needs to credibly signal that he was ready to do that.

00:05:14.000 When in fact, his ideal is to reach a ceasefire, back off, de-escalate.

00:05:20.000 We don't know, and that's why everyone's holding their breath.

00:05:22.000 So as we mentioned, there's a lot of friction between Tucker Carlson and the president.

00:05:27.000 I don't think it's surprising that he disliked the intervention in Iran.

00:05:32.000 You have a lot of history and insider knowledge.

00:05:34.000 You used to work with Tucker.

00:05:35.000 So I know you see this.

00:05:36.000 Tucker's always...

00:05:37.000 Yeah.

00:05:38.000 So ever since I first encountered him, Tucker was very skeptical of all of the military adventures in the Middle East.

00:05:44.000 I think that's sort of what initially moved him away from, he was a bit of a neocon type.

00:05:49.000 Yeah, but he supported the original Iraq war when it began.

00:05:52.000 And he regretted it greatly.

00:05:54.000 Regretted it greatly, soured on it quickly.

00:05:56.000 And that's driven a lot of his thinking since then.

00:06:00.000 It's not surprising he doesn't like that, but he's really, just in the last few days, been getting much more aggressive about it.

00:06:07.000 I think.

00:06:07.000 He posted a video last night.

00:06:08.000 Exactly.

00:06:09.000 In the early days, there was a lot of sort of vague, he was upset about it, but he would do that classic, attack the president's advisors.

00:06:16.000 They have misled him.

00:06:17.000 But he's getting more direct about it.

00:06:19.000 And a lot of people are noticing it.

00:06:21.000 So, first of all, he criticized the president.

00:06:24.000 We wanted to flag this because he's upset.

00:06:26.000 He was actually quite upset about his Easter tweet where he says, praise be to Allah.

00:06:31.000 He said that was not a good tone to take.

00:06:34.000 Let's do clip 13.

00:06:35.000 The message in our Bible, which is you are not God.

00:06:39.000 And only if you think you are do you talk this way.

00:06:42.000 But it's not just mockery of Islam.

00:06:45.000 And no president should mock Islam. 0.82

00:06:47.000 That's not your job.

00:06:48.000 This is not a theocracy.

00:06:50.000 We don't go to war with other theocracies to find out which theocracy is more effective.

00:06:54.000 So we did that.

00:06:55.000 But then even more notable, he's actually, he's taken this approach of essentially saying that staffers in the White House should revolt against the president, should disobey orders from the commander in chief.

00:07:10.000 Clip 14.

00:07:11.000 If you work in the White House or in the U.S. military, now is time to say no, absolutely not.

00:07:15.000 And say it directly to the president, no. 0.83

00:07:17.000 In case you're thinking about using some weapon of mass destruction against the population of Iran, in whose name we liberated Iran, we killed their religious leader for their benefit. 0.65

00:07:27.000 Do you remember that? 0.92

00:07:27.000 This was last month. 0.92

00:07:29.000 Those people who are in direct contact with the president need to say no.

00:07:35.000 I'll resign.

00:07:37.000 I'll do whatever I can do legally to stop this because this is insane.

00:07:41.000 And if given the order, I'm not carrying it out.

00:07:44.000 Figure out the codes on the football yourself.

00:07:46.000 So we obviously this is a huge escalation. 0.96

00:07:49.000 Like I said, President Trump has already addressed it to the New York Post and said he's called Tucker Carlson low IQ and that he's a fool and has denied that he is considering using nuclear weapons. 0.85

00:08:01.000 We've got one from Odette, an email here. 0.70

00:08:04.000 We asked you guys to email in.

00:08:06.000 I think it makes a good point here.

00:08:08.000 It says, hi, guys.

00:08:09.000 It's ridiculous to think someone who said Iran can never have a nuclear weapon would then bomb them with a nuclear weapon.

00:08:15.000 Trump has been saying he will go after their infrastructure.

00:08:18.000 If he does that, it will be very hard for them to be a sovereign nation.

00:08:22.000 I think a fair critique there. 1.00

00:08:26.000 Kenneth says, my two concerns are what will 20 million refugees pouring into neighboring countries cause. 1.00

00:08:32.000 I think that's also a very fair thing to be worried about. 1.00

00:08:36.000 Do you see any that you want to call out here?

00:08:38.000 Well, just there's a lot of variety where they just say the, you know, the president, President Trump needs to be tough because a nicer approach wasn't working.

00:08:49.000 Yeah, Brian. 0.99

00:08:50.000 Randa says Trump is crazy like a fox. 1.00

00:08:52.000 Trust him or live under the threat of 47 more years of Iran insanity. 0.99

00:08:56.000 I love General Patton. 0.60

00:08:57.000 Trump is the man.

00:08:58.000 I think.

00:08:59.000 Bob says, love your show.

00:09:01.000 Everyone needs to take a step back and let this play out.

00:09:04.000 The direction is not predetermined.

00:09:05.000 President Trump will escalate based on the Iranian response or lack of response.

00:09:11.000 Next steps are in the hands of the Iranian leadership and the Iranian people.

00:09:14.000 Strategic hits on the IRGC could change everything for the populace.

00:09:18.000 Okay, fair enough.

00:09:21.000 Paul says, anyone, especially on the right, that believes Donald Trump would use a nuke or intentionally kill millions of innocent civilians is not MAGA and never was. 0.88

00:09:31.000 Says Tucker Carlson and his ilk are traitors to America.

00:09:34.000 Well, that's a viewpoint.

00:09:37.000 Julie, hi, gentlemen.

00:09:39.000 I'll start with the 25th Amendment, Baloney.

00:09:41.000 Our courageous president is doing what he should have done decades, what should have been done decades ago.

00:09:46.000 He's of sound mind and a critical thinker and strategist.

00:09:50.000 In my non-military mind, I believe he's going to destroy as much infrastructure as possible and hit the bad apples as much as militarily as possible.

00:09:59.000 Okay, so listen, there is a new clip here that I want to get out here because I do think it's relevant to the discussion.

00:10:06.000 It's from somebody who kind of knows something.

00:10:08.000 So one of these people that has really come out is Mark Kelly, right?

00:10:12.000 We talked about the seditious six.

00:10:14.000 There's been another Democrat senator that is now calling this war crimes, this war crimes conversation.

00:10:20.000 But Matthew Buckley is a former pilot, a military pilot, and has an interesting critique of Mark Kelly.

00:10:27.000 And I think it's important that we understand this context.

00:10:29.000 SOT 17.

00:10:31.000 The people frothing at the mouth today, clutching their pearls about alleged war crimes if the president decides to target infrastructure.

00:10:38.000 The first things you do in any air campaign is to target the infrastructure.

00:10:43.000 So the president is actually doing this in reverse.

00:10:45.000 He has avoided targeting infrastructure.

00:10:48.000 Why?

00:10:48.000 Because he wanted to leave a lot of this stuff intact for the great Iranian people.

00:10:53.000 So all the pearl clutching and the folks like Mark Kelly, allegedly, Mark Kelly's admitting to committing war crimes when he flew A6s in Desert Storm because we obliterated, we obliterated their infrastructure.

00:11:06.000 And now he's out there saying, well, if the president does this, it's a war crime.

00:11:10.000 So, man, if it wasn't for their double standards, they'd have no standard at all.

00:11:16.000 I think that's important context.

00:11:18.000 I mean, it's a frustrating thing because I think even if you oppose this war, some people have immediately leaned into what would be a very left-wing framing of it, which is just any escalation, various actions, everything is a war crime.

00:11:30.000 Like, as he says, infrastructure is something that you target in wartime.

00:11:34.000 Well, and Mark Kelly himself did.

00:11:36.000 Yes.

00:11:36.000 And now they're all calling it a war crime.

00:11:38.000 So, you know, listen, I want peace, but let's be consistent, people, and just hold your judgment.

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00:12:59.000 Citizen Kane from Citizen Free Press, welcome back to the show.

00:13:04.000 Kane, I texted you this morning.

00:13:06.000 I was like, okay, it seems like the entire world is losing its mind this morning.

00:13:11.000 Half the internet thinks Trump's about to drop a nuke on Iran.

00:13:14.000 The other half wants to go 25th Amendment.

00:13:18.000 And meanwhile, we're all waiting for 8 p.m. Eastern because that's the deadline.

00:13:22.000 Nobody knows.

00:13:24.000 So give us the vibe check, Kane.

00:13:26.000 What's it like out there at CFP Nation?

00:13:29.000 Well, you summarized it pretty well.

00:13:32.000 I don't understand exactly why half of Twitter believes that a nuclear bomb is coming.

00:13:38.000 And that includes, I guess, for people who don't know, Tucker Carl, you've probably been talking about it.

00:13:43.000 I've been too busy to listen, but Tucker Carlson and Marjorie Taylor Greene and others seem to be operating on the idea that a civilization could be wiped out means a nuclear weapon.

00:13:55.000 And I don't, you know, Trump uses bombastic language.

00:13:58.000 That's the way I interpreted it.

00:14:00.000 I have at no point in reading any of his true social messages have I gotten the feeling that nuclear bombs are coming.

00:14:07.000 I don't know about you guys, but no, I listen, I didn't even jump to that conclusion until I logged on this morning.

00:14:14.000 I was like, wait, people think he's going to use a nuke? 0.57

00:14:16.000 It didn't even occur to me because I just, I'm so accustomed to the normal sort of, I don't want to call it bluster, but the saber rattling.

00:14:25.000 I understand, and Blake pointed this out before, is that he likes to use maximally aggressive language when he's in deal mode.

00:14:34.000 And I just see this as Trump doing a deal, but he did just tell Brett Baer.

00:14:39.000 I got this on the stack, Kane, so thank you for highlighting it for us.

00:14:44.000 That he told Brett Baer that 8 p.m. is absolutely on if they don't come to the table.

00:14:49.000 So I don't think he's bluffing, but I also don't think he wants to, you know, necessarily have to do anything.

00:14:57.000 He doesn't want to have to escalate beyond this point, but he's willing to.

00:15:01.000 Yeah, I think I agree with all of that.

00:15:05.000 This is the language Trump uses.

00:15:08.000 We shouldn't be surprised by it.

00:15:10.000 I also never got an inkling of anything involving nuclear weapons.

00:15:15.000 Part of that, I have this philosophy that I feel like influencers or influencers/slash journalists, they feel like they always have to have something to talk about on Twitter all day long.

00:15:24.000 It's almost as though they've got a 24-hour show and they've got to fill it.

00:15:28.000 And so I feel like people just sort of naturally get pushed to jumping to conclusions in order, you know, and they, and yet they don't, you know, I mean, speaking specifically about Tucker, they don't seem to, you know, to qualify their statements by saying, look, Trump has made no comment, you know, along these lines.

00:15:45.000 So I think that's kind of irresponsible, to be honest.

00:15:47.000 The Alex Jones and 25th Amendment stuff you mentioned, that is, you know, people haven't seen it.

00:15:53.000 That clip is also in the stack.

00:15:54.000 That, you know, we know Alex has been against the war, which is his prerogative from the beginning, but he and Barnes, you know, were discussing how to, and it seemed again to be the same, the same misinterpretation.

00:16:10.000 You know, they seem to be assuming that Trump's about to drop nukes and so he has to be stopped.

00:16:16.000 And in the case of Alex Jones, he was suggesting a 25th Amendment removal.

00:16:21.000 So to me, I'm not, you know, the vibe in the stack, the vibe in the open thread, the, you know, the million or so people who visit CFP every day seems to be trust the president.

00:16:33.000 You know, no one is happy about this war.

00:16:35.000 No one is looking forward to the possibility, hopefully it doesn't happen of ground troops.

00:16:41.000 So this isn't, my audience isn't, you know, a war-mongering audience, but at the same time, they're, they're willing to allow the president to do his deal making.

00:16:49.000 You know, Trump, I've been thinking, as I'm sure both of you have, I'll finish with this and throw it back.

00:16:54.000 I've been thinking, you know, every time Trump lays down a mini ultimatum, let's call it a 50% ultimatum, a full one.

00:17:02.000 I, you know, I wonder, does he think about how he gets out of this if Iran doesn't buckle?

00:17:08.000 And so that's where I've been doing my analysis is just trying to see ways out. 0.59

00:17:12.000 And, you know, now this last part, this, you know, this human shields on the bridges, that's going to add a completely different element to it.

00:17:21.000 So I want to hear your guys' thoughts.

00:17:23.000 I get really on the 25th Amendment thing.

00:17:25.000 What makes me angry about it is you can really sense when people tout that this certain degree of contempt they have for America being a republic with an elected presidency.

00:17:38.000 Whether you have concerns with the president's approach or not, I don't think it remotely comes close to the scenario envisioned by the 25th Amendment, which is the president actually being incapacitated, actually incapable.

00:17:51.000 Whatever you think of Trump, he actually is able to understand what he is doing.

00:17:56.000 He knows completely.

00:17:57.000 He is taking the actions he wants to take as the elected president.

00:18:01.000 You might think it's misguided.

00:18:02.000 You might think it's a mistake.

00:18:03.000 You might think it makes him a bad president, but it's not like Joe Biden, for example, where you have a credible suspicion that he is actually not the president, that he is out of action and other people are making the decisions for him.

00:18:15.000 He's formally lucid.

00:18:16.000 He's in control.

00:18:18.000 He's making sense.

00:18:19.000 He's not slurring his words.

00:18:20.000 Like, I don't think that, and that is the point of the 25th Amendment.

00:18:23.000 Yeah, like, I mean, the biggest complaints about President Trump is he's doing things he's done before, but more.

00:18:29.000 Okay.

00:18:29.000 Well, here's a good example, Kane.

00:18:30.000 Our team dug this up.

00:18:31.000 This is a 2018 tweet from President Trump.

00:18:36.000 And just because it felt relevant.

00:18:38.000 North Korean leader Kim Jong-un just stated that the nuclear button is on his desk at all times.

00:18:44.000 Will someone from his depleted and food-starved regime please inform him that I too have a nuclear button, but it is much bigger and more powerful one than his.

00:18:54.000 And my button works.

00:18:55.000 That was an old timer.

00:18:56.000 The button works.

00:18:57.000 And he called him.

00:18:59.000 He called him Rocket Man.

00:19:00.000 I mean, Trump 1.0, there was a moment where we were actually.

00:19:05.000 And it was the same thing.

00:19:06.000 People said threatening.

00:19:07.000 He's going to start a nuclear war.

00:19:09.000 That was when the 25th Amendment thing started.

00:19:11.000 And now, look, they're best friends.

00:19:13.000 Yeah, there's so much contempt.

00:19:15.000 I can't remember who it was, but one of the ones who said, oh, JD Vance needs to evoke the 25th and then pick a Democrat as his vice president and then also say he won't run for re-election.

00:19:24.000 Like these people.

00:19:25.000 Yeah, I saw that.

00:19:26.000 I saw that one as well.

00:19:28.000 What are they even like?

00:19:29.000 What are they even doing?

00:19:30.000 Just come out and say, I don't think America should have elections.

00:19:33.000 It should have some committee of experts in D.C.

00:19:37.000 And they pick the president and they also decide what the Constitution means.

00:19:40.000 That's what you want.

00:19:41.000 When you say something like that, that is the system you want.

00:19:44.000 And listen, Kane, and I want to get your reaction here, but I just feel like the whole internet discourse right now is missing like an obvious third way here.

00:19:54.000 And it's not like I always look for third ways.

00:19:56.000 I mean, but here's my point.

00:19:59.000 I am not in favor of this war.

00:20:02.000 If I would have been in the room, I would have said, let's not.

00:20:05.000 I think it's bad politically.

00:20:07.000 We have a nation to build here at home.

00:20:09.000 Okay.

00:20:10.000 Just all cards on the table.

00:20:11.000 That would have been me.

00:20:13.000 But I also don't jump to conclusions when President Trump is saber-rattling and when he's negotiating and when he's doing the rhetorical flourishes as he tends to.

00:20:24.000 But here's the point.

00:20:26.000 I can also understand the military and political drive to deal with the Iran threat. 0.91

00:20:33.000 I understand it.

00:20:34.000 I'm not sitting here going like this doesn't make sense.

00:20:36.000 There's been no case made.

00:20:37.000 No, the case has been made that they were trying to develop a nuke.

00:20:40.000 They've been funding terrorist proxies throughout the Middle East, attacking our troops, attacking our allies.

00:20:46.000 I get it.

00:20:47.000 I disagree.

00:20:49.000 I would have said, hey, let's pass on this. 0.79

00:20:51.000 We don't need any more Middle East wars.

00:20:53.000 But I just feel like the rational middle is getting winnowed away.

00:20:57.000 It's like the internet turns everybody into this galaxy brain where we just rush to the most extreme positions possible.

00:21:04.000 What's your take, Ken?

00:21:06.000 Yeah, well, that's sort of what I've been trying to decipher for the nine years that I've been running this website is where that, you know, what causes that?

00:21:14.000 What causes the galaxy brain that you just sort of talked about?

00:21:18.000 Blake was obviously correct about the dementia and the 25th Amendment.

00:21:22.000 The original point is sort of incapacitated in no way, shape, or form.

00:21:25.000 Has Trump been incapacitated?

00:21:27.000 In fact, he's probably not sleeping that much over the past five weeks of war, and he seemed more engaged and more focused and more on point if that's possible.

00:21:37.000 So I don't see any of that 25th Amendment stuff at all.

00:21:40.000 Regarding the language that Trump used with Kim Jong that you pulled up from 2018, I love this stuff.

00:21:46.000 I'll be honest.

00:21:47.000 I love the fact that the president uses language like this and that he engages in hyperbole and engages in sort of bombast.

00:21:56.000 I think it's, look, it makes it a lot more entertaining.

00:21:59.000 And if you have a brain, if you aren't, if you don't have a panic button inside that you're ready to press on your, you know, on your own, then you're going to be able to handle this kind of language.

00:22:08.000 Again, I don't really understand what's going on with Marjorie Taylor or Tucker in terms of their extreme reaction.

00:22:15.000 Look, as you said, you may not agree with the war having started to begin with, and you may not agree with the ultimatum that he reiterated on Saturday.

00:22:27.000 But you know what?

00:22:28.000 The rationale has been laid out there.

00:22:31.000 As you said, it's not like we don't know why Trump is doing this.

00:22:35.000 And it more or less makes sense. 0.93

00:22:37.000 You know, Iran, it's not like this theocracy has been that stable. 0.99

00:22:41.000 So there is a good case to be made for this war, whether or not we agree with it.

00:22:47.000 So I just really feel like it's a bunch of nannies who are freaking out and don't know how to handle this.

00:22:54.000 And I think we're going to be fine no matter what happens at 8 p.m.

00:22:57.000 So, Kane, it looks like odds have jumped on some of the prediction markets of a regime change, not only by April 30th, but by December 31st.

00:23:07.000 So the odds markets seem to indicate that this is probably more and more likely.

00:23:14.000 And Brett Baer is now on the record and we'll play this, SOT 19, saying 8 p.m. is happening.

00:23:21.000 I just got off the phone with the president.

00:23:22.000 He called and I said, listen, if you were to put odds on it, what were the odds that this is going to end up being a negotiated deal?

00:23:33.000 He said he wasn't going to put odds on it, but he said 8 p.m. is happening.

00:23:39.000 That's what he said.

00:23:40.000 He said, it is, if we get to that point, there is going to be an attack like they have not seen.

00:23:50.000 So Israeli TV, by the way, I've seen this image going around, has a countdown clock, Kane, counting down to 8 p.m. tonight, which is wild.

00:24:03.000 So what, yeah, there it is.

00:24:04.000 This is making rounds, which feels a little too excited.

00:24:10.000 maybe by half.

00:24:12.000 But Kane, you know, we go back to this idea that nobody wants this.

00:24:17.000 Again, I put myself firmly in the anti-interventionist camp, but I do believe that you can err in that way as well.

00:24:24.000 This is something Charlie and I used to talk about a lot.

00:24:27.000 You know, if Charlie and I were going to err when we were debating, we would err in the anti-interventionist camp.

00:24:32.000 Okay.

00:24:33.000 Just again.

00:24:35.000 But, you know, peace through strength is Trump's mantra.

00:24:40.000 He's saying that he's willing to use this.

00:24:42.000 8 p.m. is going to happen.

00:24:44.000 What do you think the odds are tonight?

00:24:46.000 Well, I would divide it sort of into that question into two parts.

00:24:53.000 The first part is, what are the odds that any bombing occurs versus what are the odds an agreement is reached?

00:25:01.000 I still believe that, look, let's take this back before I answer that.

00:25:08.000 Let's take this back to what this war is really all about. 0.90

00:25:10.000 All Iran has to do, all the MOLAs have to do is say that they're willing to give up any aspiration they have for nuclear weapons. 0.87

00:25:18.000 It's not that large of an ask. 0.96

00:25:20.000 They've now probably lost, damages have probably crossed the trillion dollar mark, maybe $2 trillion in terms of their infrastructure, their petrochemicals, their steel.

00:25:30.000 All of this to hold on to this illusion.

00:25:32.000 And yet, what's the craziest part of their dialogue on this is that they claim that this is all for peaceful nuclear energy.

00:25:42.000 So whether you believe that or not, this idea that this entire war has come about and the destruction of their industrial base has come about because they're not willing to give it up.

00:25:57.000 So first I would say they're the worst deal makers in history.

00:26:00.000 So I have to caveat that.

00:26:03.000 I had to say that in order to sort of analyze the odds for tonight that some deal is reached.

00:26:10.000 Is there enough frightening language in Trump's in Trump's true social post that could get them to actually realize that it's not a good idea to test this guy, that it's, you know, that it's going to set their nation back.

00:26:25.000 So it's a really, really hard question to answer.

00:26:27.000 Under normal circumstances, I would say a deal would be reached.

00:26:30.000 80-20 would be the odds that a deal would be reached before 8 p.m.

00:26:34.000 But when you're dealing with this group who could so easily have prevented this war or stopped this war at any point in the last month and a half by just agreeing to the one basic demand out of the 15.

00:26:46.000 So I don't have a lot of faith.

00:26:48.000 So now it leads to, I feel like it's at least 50-50 that we're going to bomb.

00:26:53.000 And then what will that bombing look like?

00:26:54.000 Well, these human chains are definitely going to affect the calculus of this situation.

00:27:01.000 There's no way that Trump and Heg Seth are going to bomb any bridges or any facilities where there are any sort of civilians either lined up by their own choice or by coercion.

00:27:13.000 I think that's the problem, right?

00:27:14.000 You don't know.

00:27:15.000 I don't know about that.

00:27:16.000 I'll be honest.

00:27:17.000 I think that as I've been sitting here hearing you talk, Kane, I'm sort of convinced that maybe they might make a different calculation on that point, actually, and saying if people are willingly, that's the question, though.

00:27:31.000 Are they coerced or not?

00:27:32.000 But if they're willingly.

00:27:33.000 They're not coerced or not.

00:27:34.000 You got to feel like a lot of these people are pushed into it.

00:27:37.000 I would have second thoughts about, you know, someone else posted in the open thread earlier today.

00:27:37.000 I don't know.

00:27:42.000 What if the entire thing's a ruse?

00:27:44.000 What if we plan to get these power stations and bridges, but at a later date and we wanted to draw attention away from a lot of other facilities that we decide to target tonight instead?

00:27:53.000 That would be, you know, a nice little backhanded route.

00:27:56.000 Look, I think Trump is going to be accepted by the base no matter how he handles the bombing tonight.

00:28:01.000 So I guess if I'm going to throw it back, I'm going to say the odds are 70-30 that we're going to do some bombing at APM.

00:28:10.000 I think that's probably about an accurate read.

00:28:12.000 We don't know what it will look like.

00:28:13.000 Regarding the regime's sanity, I don't know if you remember this, but have you ever heard about what Iran did in the Iran-Iraq war when Saddam invaded them? 0.60

00:28:22.000 They would clear minefields by sending volunteers across them. 0.84

00:28:26.000 The Iranians would? 1.00

00:28:28.000 Yes. 1.00

00:28:28.000 Or so the story goes. 1.00

00:28:29.000 I don't know if there's like video footage of that, but I believe they did that.

00:28:32.000 And it's been a few decades since then.

00:28:34.000 It's not quite the same regime.

00:28:36.000 But when you have really political prisoners, you can send prisoners.

00:28:42.000 You can just compel people across.

00:28:43.000 You can use threats against family.

00:28:45.000 Radical regimes can do things we would consider completely unthinkable.

00:28:50.000 We'll spend hundreds of millions of dollars to rescue one pilot. 0.98

00:28:55.000 They'll spend hundreds of lives to clear one minefield.

00:29:00.000 And we've encountered this before. 0.95

00:29:02.000 In World War II, the Japanese, they'd send kamikazes. 0.99

00:29:05.000 They would send suicide pilots into things. 0.76

00:29:08.000 Really, extremist regimes will do things that just catch you off guard with how suicidal they are.

00:29:14.000 And especially in our modern times, we really struggle to relate to that.

00:29:19.000 But we have to remember that people like that exist.

00:29:21.000 Well, I want to end this hour just by bringing us back to the basics here.

00:29:27.000 President Trump, we showed you the 2018 tweet that he was willing to use pretty extreme language when dealing with Kim Jong-un.

00:29:36.000 And that was actually a potential nuclear conflict.

00:29:39.000 And now they talk, or at least President Trump talks glowingly about Kim Jong-un, whether that's right or wrong. 0.56

00:29:44.000 I mean, he's still a vicious dictator.

00:29:47.000 But the point is, is that geopolitically, President Trump uses different tactics.

00:29:52.000 I think, listen, if he drops a nuke on Iran tonight, then I will absolutely call for impeachment. 0.94

00:30:00.000 I will say I'm the crazy one. 0.73

00:30:02.000 I'll do all the things.

00:30:04.000 I don't think that's even in the realm of possibility.

00:30:05.000 He's already denied it.

00:30:06.000 Okay, so I don't understand why everybody's jumping to conclusions.

00:30:09.000 Let this play out.

00:30:11.000 President Trump is doing what he does.

00:30:13.000 This is why he is the elected president.

00:30:15.000 I think he's lucid and in control.

00:30:17.000 Have some patience, have some faith.

00:30:19.000 Don't jump to the wildest conclusions.

00:30:21.000 Don't let yourself get galaxy brained by social media and keep your wits about you.

00:30:27.000 If you can keep your head while everybody's losing theirs, then that's a good thing.

00:30:30.000 Kane, final word to you, 10 seconds.

00:30:33.000 Well, I'll be watching the masters.

00:30:37.000 I wonder how many people feel exactly like that.

00:30:40.000 Okay, God bless you, man.

00:30:41.000 Thank you for making the time.

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00:32:06.000 We have a friend of the show returning.

00:32:08.000 That would be independent journalist Nick Sortor.

00:32:11.000 You know him from X and his journalism on the ground, East Palestine.

00:32:19.000 He was one of the guys that helped really explode that story, and he's been doing so much more all over the place.

00:32:25.000 Nick, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:32:28.000 Hey, guys, appreciate you having me.

00:32:31.000 And it's, dare I say, happy, what was it?

00:32:37.000 End of Civilization Day or whatever.

00:32:39.000 You getting right into it, Nick?

00:32:42.000 Well, you know, it's funny because I wanted to have you on actually to pivot our attention back to domestic issues because there's a lot of noise being made online. 1.00

00:32:52.000 I couldn't help but notice and sort of enjoy that, you know, this whole Frisco takeover by Indian H-1Bs has been making the rounds going viral on X. Meanwhile, there is clip after clip of that I find to be incredibly radicalizing in the best of ways of old city, like cities from like, you know, in the West, 1.00

00:33:18.000 whether that's Boston, New York, Paris, downtown Los Angeles, that are radicalized.

00:33:23.000 So I want to play these with you, Nick, because you've done so much on the ground investigative journalism when it comes to our immigration laws and enforcement, deportations.

00:33:33.000 And I think these things are all tied together.

00:33:34.000 So let's just, this is the one that made a lot of news, Nick.

00:33:37.000 The Red Sox opening day.

00:33:39.000 This was posted.

00:33:40.000 Go ahead and throw up 185.

00:33:42.000 This was posted by the Red Sox, and they had to shut down the comments because it was so radicalizing for people to see the splendor, the cleanliness, the orderliness, the well-dressedness of 1950s America before opening day of the Boston Red Sox.

00:34:02.000 I think it was like 19, I think it was just 1950s.

00:34:05.000 They didn't specify which year.

00:34:07.000 But in a very visceral sense, this triggered people in a wild way.

00:34:14.000 Blake, do you get triggered watching this?

00:34:16.000 Not as much as some people.

00:34:18.000 I do think people lose it.

00:34:19.000 I mean, the biggest tragedy here is that the Red Sox began winning World Series again.

00:34:23.000 So that's posted.

00:34:25.000 The America I believe in doesn't allow the Red Sox to win these people.

00:34:30.000 Okay, let's go to New York City, 1929.

00:34:33.000 Nick, I know you've spent some time in the city.

00:34:36.000 Unfortunately, no fat people.

00:34:38.000 186.

00:34:39.000 Look at this. 0.91

00:34:39.000 No garbage. 0.91

00:34:40.000 Look at the dress, how they're dressed.

00:34:43.000 Everybody's just clean.

00:34:45.000 Look at it.

00:34:45.000 There's not a scrap of trash on the sidewalks.

00:34:48.000 Top hats.

00:34:49.000 Nothing.

00:34:50.000 Go ahead, Nick.

00:34:51.000 What do these clips do for you?

00:34:54.000 It honestly, like, it feels nostalgic, and I wasn't even obviously alive at the time, right?

00:35:01.000 But it just, it's something that I feel like, you know, the reason that this is so triggering for people and the reason I have to turn off the comment sections on that Red Sox post is because, you know, people want this back, and we can get it back through mass deportations, mass denaturalizations.

00:35:23.000 And, you know, I know they feel like they're not allowed to say it, the average American, but this is what they want. 1.00

00:35:29.000 They don't want to go up to New York City and feel like that they're going to be, you know, women especially just aren't safe in these places anymore with third worlders around. 1.00

00:35:40.000 Look, I mean, women could walk around freely, New York City back in the day. 1.00

00:35:44.000 And I mean, the difference is massive. 0.99

00:35:48.000 This was America's golden age.

00:35:52.000 And the only way we get back to that is with mass deportations.

00:35:55.000 And that's why, you know, when you mentioned.

00:35:57.000 Uh, when I first came on here, that you know we're not talking enough about domestic policy anymore.

00:36:03.000 That's a hundred percent true.

00:36:05.000 It's a hundred percent true.

00:36:06.000 That is what is actually.

00:36:08.000 Uh, that's what your average American cares about is what's going on at home.

00:36:13.000 How do you think you can bring home or bring down housing prices in places like New York?

00:36:18.000 You start deporting all of the people that are taking up the housing on government dime. 0.99

00:36:24.000 You're competing with the government in these big cities because they are paying rent for illegals that are in the country. 0.96

00:36:31.000 I mean it's, it's pretty simple uh, how we get back to this. 0.58

00:36:36.000 It's just, do we have the will to do it?

00:36:38.000 Well there, I got one more video for you Nick, and I think that was really well said.

00:36:41.000 Uh, this is Trump posted this on TRUE Socials.

00:36:44.000 Well, this is uh, Paris 126 years ago.

00:36:47.000 Uh, some more b-roll for you here about the formerly amazingly pristine and orderly Western civilization that we are the inheritors of.

00:36:58.000 And then I want to contrast it with the Mall Of America.

00:37:03.000 Flash forward, this is the Mall Of America in 2026.

00:37:08.000 Right there, the the Mall Of Mogadishu.

00:37:11.000 You mean, i've been there uh unfortunately, because I had to keep going out and buying disguises.

00:37:16.000 Uh, because I, you know, kept getting chased in the street in Minneapolis and I basically just every I had to come home with like two, two new suitcases full of clothes.

00:37:25.000 Uh, because I had to go and buy it at the Mall Of Mogadishu. 0.98

00:37:28.000 There were no white people at the mall. 0.98

00:37:31.000 It's crazy.

00:37:32.000 I made a joke when we were there.

00:37:34.000 Uh, I said that the last remaining American relic in this place is the Hooters that sits up above the uh uh, the amusement park down there and that just closed.

00:37:44.000 So uh, I guess yeah yeah, a figure I really like to point to.

00:37:53.000 We mentioned New York, how great it used to look, how it was at its peak and it seems past its peak.

00:37:57.000 Throw up that chart.

00:37:58.000 I just saw uh, I just sent you guys.

00:38:00.000 It's something that's really revealing about the realities of immigration, because they say oh, it brings so much opportunity, it adds so much wealth.

00:38:08.000 The best way to measure how people really feel about immigration is how locals react to it.

00:38:13.000 That's a chart of New York's population change over time.

00:38:15.000 That big red bar you see at the bottom.

00:38:18.000 That is how much people New York lost on, net of domestic Americans.

00:38:24.000 So Americans moving into New York and moving out on net, they lost over a hundred thousand.

00:38:29.000 The only reason New York's population went up is from people having kids and from my the light blue bar, which is international migration.

00:38:37.000 This is what you see in New York, it's what you see in Illinois, it's what you see in California. 0.76

00:38:41.000 All those states only gain population because foreigners keep flooding in while actual Americans keep leaving. 0.77

00:38:49.000 People flee immigration. 0.77

00:38:51.000 They run away from the results of it.

00:38:54.000 And that's why you very rapidly have these major cities turning. 1.00

00:38:58.000 You look around and everyone's foreign because they're changing so rapidly.

00:39:03.000 It's mass importation of replacements from abroad, mass flight of anyone who was born in America. 0.70

00:39:09.000 Yeah, and I mean, I'm not far away right here.

00:39:11.000 You guys may remember Springfield, Ohio.

00:39:14.000 I'm actually very close to Springfield, Ohio right now. 1.00

00:39:17.000 And that town is still, these people were rejoicing when they heard that the Department of Homeland Security was non-renewing temporary protected status that Biden gave all the Haitians that live there, the Haitian invaders. 0.90

00:39:32.000 And now a federal judge, of course, stepped in and blocked that. 0.72

00:39:37.000 And so now, I mean, they're just, they're sitting here just, you know, there was some hope that they had that, okay, Trump is actually going to be able to do this.

00:39:44.000 He's actually going to give us our town back.

00:39:46.000 And a federal judge stepped in and blocked it.

00:39:49.000 I mean, it's sad that it's not even just places like New York that are suffering under this.

00:39:54.000 You've also got little, cool little towns like Springfield, Ohio that are suffering because of it.

00:40:01.000 It's sad to see.

00:40:02.000 It's really sad to see.

00:40:04.000 And now they're putting forward this so-called dignity act, okay?

00:40:08.000 Charlie actually has a tweet about this in 2025.

00:40:12.000 Go ahead and throw that up.

00:40:14.000 He said, warning, there are a handful of Republicans in Congress pushing the so-called Dignity Act of 2025, which would shield illegals from deportations if they've been in the U.S. since before 2021.

00:40:24.000 Here's the trick.

00:40:25.000 We don't know how, don't know when many or perhaps most illegals entered the U.S. All they'd have to do is say the magic words and they'd be allowed to stay. 0.98

00:40:34.000 Best case scenario would be bogged down in the courts forever.

00:40:37.000 Brandon Gill, who we love here on the show, says, make no mistake, the so-called Dignity Act is amnesty.

00:40:43.000 It gives amnesty to any illegal alien that crossed the border before 2021.

00:40:47.000 Any illegal married to a U.S. citizen and also massively expands visa, including permanent residence for F1 international cities.

00:40:54.000 Yeah, they say, so first of all, I love this headline from a Texas website. 0.97

00:40:58.000 Texas restaurant owners endorse Dignity Act to address this crap. 0.66

00:41:02.000 Anytime restaurant workers, homebuilders are coming out to endorse this, and also just the Dignity Act, like with immigration. 0.95

00:41:09.000 How about, oh, it's about the dignity of them. 0.69

00:41:12.000 How about national dignity?

00:41:13.000 How about the dignity of our border?

00:41:15.000 Well, Nick, they're talking about there's, and this is actually, I don't think this is a Trump thing.

00:41:21.000 There are people around the president right now saying, don't ever use the word mass deportation again.

00:41:26.000 The thing that we all got so excited to vote for in 2024.

00:41:30.000 Your take.

00:41:31.000 I want to throw a lot of takes on all of this.

00:41:33.000 This is like, this is what I would rather be talking about than the war.

00:41:36.000 I'm just saying.

00:41:37.000 So first of all, a little correction for you.

00:41:40.000 It's actually called the Dignidad Act.

00:41:43.000 They did it in Spanish.

00:41:44.000 They had the audacity to name the group in Spanish.

00:41:48.000 No, and apparently that stands for dignity for immigrants while guarding our nation to ignite and deliver the American Dream Act of 2025.

00:41:57.000 Deliver the American Dream Act.

00:41:58.000 How about we deliver the American dream to Americans first?

00:42:03.000 And then we can talk about helping out people from the rest of the world, right?

00:42:07.000 I mean, people are struggling with now gas prices, grocery prices are still too high.

00:42:14.000 Let's focus on that stuff first.

00:42:16.000 You know, you want your kids.

00:42:17.000 I don't have kids yet.

00:42:19.000 I haven't bought a house yet either, right?

00:42:22.000 You know, because housing is just incredibly expensive. 1.00

00:42:26.000 So going and delivering the American dream to people that broke into our country illegally is not exactly a priority of anybody. 0.97

00:42:36.000 And calling it bipartisan is very Misleading because it's pretty much just what's her name, Maria Salazar down there in Florida.

00:42:47.000 Yeah, I mean, like, she's the one that was like calling for us to go that had full-on kinetic war with Russia at one point.

00:42:56.000 I mean, she's she's not exactly the brightest of them all, but in terms of mass deportations, I'm going to continue using that word.

00:43:04.000 I'm going to continue.

00:43:05.000 I will not, you will never hear me say worst of the worst, okay?

00:43:09.000 Because in reality, if we only go after the worst of the worst, that means amnesty for the rest.

00:43:16.000 So, I think everybody should be on the table and target everybody.

00:43:22.000 What are we doing?

00:43:23.000 And it's so infuriating.

00:43:24.000 They always learned their playbook.

00:43:26.000 They come out and they always say, This isn't amnesty.

00:43:28.000 It's accountability or whatever.

00:43:30.000 And you can read the law.

00:43:31.000 I love following this Christian Heinz guy on X because he actually just reads the bills.

00:43:35.000 And you can read the Dignidad Act.

00:43:38.000 It'll say the Secretary or Attorney General shall adjust the status of an alien to be lawfully admitted for permanent residence, even if that alien is inadmissible or deportable from the United States.

00:43:49.000 I had to modify the language a bit.

00:43:51.000 It's written weird, but it basically says a person who is inadmissible or should be deported, we can declare them a lawful permanent resident.

00:43:58.000 It even says there's no numerical cap on how many people can benefit from this amnesty.

00:44:04.000 So, oh, if it turns out there's 30 million people here instead of 15 million or whatever number they give, it's too bad.

00:44:10.000 We're stuck with it.

00:44:12.000 You even can have convictions that are expunged or set aside.

00:44:16.000 And after that, a criminal record is no barrier to legal status.

00:44:19.000 You know what?

00:44:20.000 It's so frustrating about this.

00:44:21.000 And let's just explain what really happens here.

00:44:24.000 The second you give an inch, they will take a mile.

00:44:27.000 And that's why I love what you said about this worst first stuff.

00:44:30.000 Okay.

00:44:32.000 I cannot abide it.

00:44:33.000 You know why?

00:44:34.000 Because as soon as you do that, then everybody else thinks that they're the exception to the rule and everybody gets to stay.

00:44:40.000 It is amnesty for the rest.

00:44:42.000 And I cannot stand that.

00:44:44.000 And this is what they do every time. 0.65

00:44:45.000 They play into the Saab stories.

00:44:47.000 And guess what?

00:44:48.000 Businesses, hospitality, Ag, they all get in on the act because they don't want to invest in American workers or they don't want to invest in automation.

00:44:56.000 Sorry, I'm down to give us like some, you know, sort of moonshot for ag to automate and, you know, whether that's federal loans or whatever.

00:45:04.000 But we got to stop getting, we got to get off. 1.00

00:45:07.000 We have to wean the country off of cheap foreign like slave labor or we're never going to be done with this. 1.00

00:45:13.000 And we're just going to completely erase the American culture. 1.00

00:45:16.000 We have more to get to here, Nick, unless you want to chime in.

00:45:18.000 Well, I was just going to say real quick, one of the strategies that DHS had that was very, very effective was squeezing these people out and making them think that all of them were going to end up being deported by ICE at some point.

00:45:32.000 And so they would go ahead and self-deport.

00:45:34.000 That's why the self-deportation number was so high.

00:45:37.000 So if you keep telling them that, oh, you're only going after the worst of the worst, that means Sheridan Gorman's killer would have still been allowed in the country because, you know, before he wasn't the worst of the worst before he killed her.

00:45:48.000 I totally agree.

00:45:49.000 That's such a good point, Nick.

00:45:51.000 Such a good point.

00:45:53.000 So, okay. 0.97

00:45:54.000 The Dignity Dignity Dod Act, total loser, non-starter.

00:45:59.000 It's got 20 Republicans, including, you know, what's his bucket from New York.

00:46:04.000 I just, okay.

00:46:05.000 It's not going to happen.

00:46:06.000 Okay.

00:46:08.000 This was an interesting idea that the new DHS secretary, Mark Wayne Mullen, proposed, and I think it has some feet, but let's talk about this whole issue.

00:46:16.000 We only got two minutes.

00:46:16.000 We got to hurry up.

00:46:18.000 24.

00:46:19.000 I believe sanctuary cities is not lawful.

00:46:21.000 Some of these cities have international airports.

00:46:25.000 If they're a sanctuary city, should they really be processing customs into their city?

00:46:33.000 Seriously, if they're a sanctuary city and they're receiving international flights and we're asking them to partner with us at the airport, but once they walk out of the airport, they're not going to enforce immigration policy.

00:46:46.000 Maybe we need to have a really hard look at that because we need to focus on cities that want to work with us.

00:46:51.000 I think this is a great idea. 0.82

00:46:53.000 Let's stick it to the sanctuary cities.

00:46:55.000 But in a deeper level, Nick, I know you're plugged in with this whole world.

00:46:59.000 What are you hearing about what might be coming next from DHS?

00:47:05.000 Well, I mean, I'm definitely giving Secretary Mullen some time to settle in, right?

00:47:11.000 We haven't seen any of the big sweeps, and I'm not sure we're going to see any more of those big sweeps like we were seeing in places like Chicago and Minneapolis and Los Angeles and such.

00:47:26.000 And, you know, I'm a little concerned about where the numbers are at right now.

00:47:30.000 I mean, they're not nearly high enough, guys.

00:47:32.000 And we got to double and triple the number of arrests that are being made per day in this country.

00:47:39.000 We're running out of time.

00:47:40.000 That's my concern.

00:47:42.000 Yeah, I mean, I think that's where we're at.

00:47:44.000 I mean, I've been honest with Secretary Mullen.

00:47:47.000 I said, listen, you know, you're a friend of the show.

00:47:51.000 You've come on the show, but if we start getting squish on this, then you'll hear criticisms from me.

00:47:58.000 But he is a good man, and he's a friend of the show, and we're rooting for a success.

00:48:02.000 We want commas, not dramas.

00:48:04.000 Listen, if you can stay off the front page and still get lots out, that's huge.

00:48:08.000 But I think your point's well made.

00:48:09.000 Nick Sorder, independent journalist.

00:48:11.000 Thank you, my friend.

00:48:12.000 Thank you.

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00:49:29.000 Welcoming now to the show is Steve Hilton.

00:49:33.000 He's running for governor of the Golden State, the formerly Golden State.

00:49:38.000 But it could be Golden again.

00:49:40.000 This is certainly what President Trump is saying.

00:49:42.000 Welcome back, Steve Hilton.

00:49:44.000 Hey.

00:49:45.000 How are you doing?

00:49:45.000 Great to be with you both.

00:49:46.000 Look at that beard.

00:49:47.000 I love it.

00:49:48.000 It's very gubernatorial.

00:49:50.000 It's very gubernatorial.

00:49:51.000 Well, can I tell you a little story?

00:49:52.000 So it's an accidental thing.

00:49:54.000 I was just lazy over the holidays a while back and didn't shave.

00:49:58.000 And then I had to do an early morning TV thing, expecting a ton of criticism about how scruffy I looked.

00:50:04.000 And instead, I got all this positive feedback.

00:50:06.000 So I kept going for a little bit.

00:50:08.000 And then the moment the clincher was when I did Don Jr.'s podcast soon after.

00:50:14.000 And, you know, we've known each other for years.

00:50:15.000 And the first thing he said when I came on the Zoom was, hey, man, love the MAGA beard.

00:50:20.000 I don't know.

00:50:21.000 Is that a thing?

00:50:22.000 It is.

00:50:22.000 Yeah, because it's masculine and manly.

00:50:25.000 So I need to do a two-by-two of Blake and Steve.

00:50:29.000 Just a two-up.

00:50:30.000 Get me off the screen.

00:50:32.000 See, this is what this is, I'm seeing a trend here amongst the people.

00:50:36.000 Beneath the glasses.

00:50:37.000 High testosterone, virility, facial hair power.

00:50:41.000 See, this is the MAGA look.

00:50:43.000 This is apparently what we're going for.

00:50:45.000 I am outclassed.

00:50:46.000 What can I say?

00:50:48.000 Steve, you have now been endorsed by President Trump in your run for governor.

00:50:54.000 I don't know if there's a backstory.

00:50:56.000 I don't know if you want to tell us any of the details how this came about, but I know this was sort of, it's very coveted.

00:51:01.000 So tell us about it.

00:51:03.000 Well, thank you very much.

00:51:04.000 It was a great honor and a total surprise in terms of its timing.

00:51:07.000 I had no idea that this was going to happen.

00:51:09.000 It was Sunday night, a beautiful last minute, Easter Sunday still on the West Coast where I am.

00:51:17.000 And so the first we heard about it was on social media.

00:51:20.000 And people were texting me and saying, have you seen this?

00:51:22.000 And so I took a look and amazing, thrilled, texted the president immediately to say thank you.

00:51:30.000 And he called and we had a great conversation.

00:51:32.000 I know him, you know, as he noted in his post, we've known each other for years.

00:51:38.000 I first met him when I interviewed him in my first term when I was hosting my show on Fox News.

00:51:46.000 And we talk and have kept in touch.

00:51:48.000 So it's a tremendous honor.

00:51:50.000 One thing I want to say, which I haven't said anywhere else, and for obvious reasons, this is the place to say it.

00:51:57.000 Look, I don't, you know, I think about Charlie every day.

00:52:00.000 Charlie, of course, endorsed me on day one of my campaign.

00:52:04.000 And I miss him like we all do so much.

00:52:07.000 And I don't run around saying Charlie would think this or Charlie would think that, but I just know how happy he is because I think of Charlie as being with us and happy he is to see this.

00:52:20.000 I know he would really make him very happy.

00:52:25.000 That's a thousand percent, I think, accurate.

00:52:27.000 And again, we don't want to put words in Charlie's mouth.

00:52:29.000 He's not here with us.

00:52:31.000 But I remember when you announced your run for governor and he was jubilant about it and instantly wanted to endorse you.

00:52:40.000 He didn't think twice.

00:52:41.000 He didn't say, hey, you know, let's line up the other guys in the race and compare and contract.

00:52:46.000 No, he just was, Steve's the guy.

00:52:48.000 We're going to get behind Steve.

00:52:49.000 And, you know, people, it's funny.

00:52:51.000 I actually wrote an op-ed for the California Post.

00:52:55.000 I was invited to write one on how Charlie loved California.

00:52:58.000 And it was just this, it was a really deep thing.

00:53:01.000 I don't think people understood this, but Charlie was in California a lot.

00:53:04.000 He was speaking there, speaking on campuses.

00:53:07.000 We have a ton of students in California.

00:53:10.000 And he loved the state.

00:53:12.000 He loved how beautiful it was.

00:53:13.000 He loved the people, like the old communities that really still anchor that state from a cultural standpoint, from an economic standpoint.

00:53:22.000 And he would always, we would land in California.

00:53:24.000 He goes, without fail, it's a shame what they've done to this place.

00:53:28.000 It's such a beautiful place.

00:53:29.000 It's a shame.

00:53:29.000 He always said that.

00:53:31.000 He always had this.

00:53:32.000 He said, I have a heart for California.

00:53:33.000 That's what he would always say.

00:53:36.000 And hated to see what they've done to it.

00:53:38.000 But I think that really, and as the president sees, I mean, actually, the conversation that we had, we talked a little bit about the campaign and the fact that it's not going to be easy to beat this Democrat machine in California.

00:53:49.000 They've been in power now 16 years, one party rule, running everything.

00:53:52.000 And they've got totally arrogant.

00:53:54.000 And they think they own this state and they're going to be in power forever.

00:53:58.000 They've got a shock coming.

00:53:59.000 It's going to be hard to beat them.

00:54:01.000 But actually, this is, we talked about that a little bit, but the bulk of our conversation was actually the exciting part here, which is that if we, you know, the elections got the primary in June, general election in November, all goes well.

00:54:15.000 I take office in January.

00:54:16.000 Suddenly, you're going to have America's biggest state, by far the biggest economy of all 50 states, the fourth biggest economy in the world.

00:54:25.000 And instead of what you've got now, which is these idiots just constantly fighting the president and his team on the common sense things they're trying to get done, whether that's fighting and stopping fraud or opening up energy production or forest management or enforcing immigration, all these things that are just being blocked by Gavin Newsome and the people in charge here, suddenly you're going to have a partner in the biggest state to make things happen that are positive.

00:54:55.000 So it's going to be great for California, but also for the whole country. 0.96

00:54:58.000 I mean, it would be incredible.

00:55:00.000 Give us a glimmer of hope here, right?

00:55:02.000 Because there's a lot of people watching right now, Steve, saying this is all great.

00:55:06.000 And, you know, how do you win this thing?

00:55:09.000 Yeah.

00:55:11.000 It's exactly the right question.

00:55:12.000 So there's a couple of things that make this year different.

00:55:15.000 Number one, the climate of opinion in California really has shifted very negatively against the Democrats.

00:55:21.000 So even in the last governor's race in 2022, in that basic question as to whether it's going to be a change election where we kick out the incumbents, is the state going on the right track or the wrong track?

00:55:31.000 The wrong track number was under 50%.

00:55:34.000 And now, you could squibble and say, well, what's wrong with people?

00:55:37.000 It's been going wrong for a long time in California.

00:55:39.000 But still, that's the number.

00:55:41.000 Today, and for the last year or so, it's been very strongly over 50%, sometimes as high as 60%, saying the state's going in the wrong direction.

00:55:50.000 So that's new.

00:55:51.000 That's a majority of people want change.

00:55:53.000 Secondly, in a midterm election, it's all about turnout.

00:55:57.000 Charlie knew that.

00:55:58.000 I mean, in fact, with the conversation that I had with Charlie when he said, you know, he asked me to Phoenix, when we went, I said, like nearly two years ago, to talk about how we would fight this campaign.

00:56:10.000 It's a turnout, changed the vote, explained everything that you guys have built there.

00:56:14.000 And it's all about the turnout.

00:56:15.000 We've got two unique things on the ballot this year in November, ballot initiatives that have now qualified that will really help drive Republican turnout.

00:56:24.000 Voter ID is going to be on the ballot in California.

00:56:27.000 Whatever happens with the Save America Act, we can vote for it here in California as the result of a ballot initiative.

00:56:34.000 And the second one, more distinctively Californian, Save Prop 13.

00:56:39.000 Prop 13 was the original taxpayer revolt, Howard Jarvis, all of that in the late 70s to cap property tax increases.

00:56:46.000 It's been undermined over the years.

00:56:48.000 There's a ballot initiative to restore the taxpayer protections.

00:56:52.000 Republicans differentially love those two initiatives. 0.62

00:56:56.000 It's going to help our vote get out.

00:56:58.000 The third factor, look at the Democrat candidates.

00:57:01.000 For the last 16 years in California, where they've been winning everything, you've had a kind of inevitable Democrat governor in waiting.

00:57:09.000 You had eight years of Jerry Brown, eight years of Gavin Newsome.

00:57:12.000 Look at them now.

00:57:13.000 They can't decide.

00:57:14.000 They're in a complete mess.

00:57:16.000 And who are the choices?

00:57:17.000 As the president.

00:57:19.000 Right.

00:57:20.000 They're not sending their best.

00:57:23.000 These are the three who've got a shot at being in the general election.

00:57:26.000 Eric Swalwell, Katie Porter, the billionaire climate fanatic, Tom Styer.

00:57:31.000 That's it.

00:57:32.000 That's who they've got.

00:57:34.000 So that's another one.

00:57:34.000 And the fourth one, this is very important.

00:57:37.000 As a result of the disastrous mismanagement, highest cost of living, highest unemployment, highest poverty rate, worst business climate, suddenly, and for the first time in 20 years, the business community in California is really engaged in this.

00:57:53.000 And for years, they've drifted along with it, put up with all the nonsense.

00:57:57.000 Now they've had enough.

00:57:58.000 And then you add to that this insane proposed billionaires tax that the unions are pushing.

00:58:03.000 And you've suddenly got the prospect of, in a general election, a fair fight between the unions and the Republican candidate backed by the business community.

00:58:14.000 We haven't seen that in 20 years.

00:58:16.000 So I think this is the year we can make something big happen.

00:58:19.000 I want to add another number to your list here.

00:58:23.000 You've got this Spencer Pratt campaign against Karen Vass in LA where he's running as an angry taxpayer.

00:58:30.000 Everybody's getting excited about that.

00:58:33.000 Could he do it?

00:58:34.000 Symbolic, he's the one where they said, oh, he's lived in Santa Barbara since their ineptitude let his house burn down.

00:58:41.000 Palisades.

00:58:42.000 Yeah.

00:58:42.000 And yeah.

00:58:43.000 And well, so that's where he was living.

00:58:45.000 Now he's moved out of town because his house burned down.

00:58:47.000 Right.

00:58:48.000 Well, you can't run because we let your house burn down.

00:58:51.000 Huh?

00:58:51.000 Funny how that works.

00:58:52.000 Yeah.

00:58:52.000 I mean, it's insane.

00:58:54.000 Spencer's great.

00:58:56.000 Continue.

00:58:57.000 Exactly.

00:58:58.000 And so I was there funny enough.

00:58:59.000 It was on the one-year anniversary of the fires.

00:59:01.000 We were both speaking at an event in the Palisades.

00:59:03.000 I was literally right back next to the stage, ready to go on.

00:59:06.000 And there was Spencer, and no one knew he was going to do it.

00:59:09.000 He announced his run for mayor.

00:59:11.000 It was just such an exciting moment.

00:59:14.000 I was swept away.

00:59:15.000 I endorsed him on the spot.

00:59:17.000 And that's exactly right.

00:59:19.000 Angry taxpayer.

00:59:20.000 That's a great summary of what's going on.

00:59:23.000 And that's why I mentioned Howard Jarvis in 1978, because we've got the prospect of that kind of taxpayer revolt this year as well across the state and in LA.

00:59:33.000 Well, listen, if there was ever a time we needed you to absolutely pull the golden rabbit out of the hat, it's right now, Steve Hilton.

00:59:41.000 It could be such a huge shot in the arm for the movement.

00:59:44.000 And we just, we're so enthusiastically behind you.

00:59:48.000 Final 30 seconds here, Steve.

00:59:50.000 Give us an update on the polling.

00:59:52.000 Is it still the two R's ahead?

00:59:54.000 I mean, could we get this weird jungle primary thing? 1.00

00:59:57.000 You could do, but it's very unlikely.

00:59:59.000 I've always thought that the machine, the Democrat machine, is going to get their act together and put a puppet in there, whether that's Swalwell or Katie Porter, whoever it is.

01:00:08.000 I just can't see them just surrendering California.

01:00:10.000 And remember, with this top two system, in the past, they've spent millions of dollars to elevate a Republican because they're so arrogant and so I think it's going to be me against a Democrat, but I think we can beat them this year.

01:00:24.000 Steve Hilton, the next governor of the great state of California, the soon-to-be great state of California.

01:00:30.000 Thank you, Steve.

01:00:30.000 God bless you, man.

01:00:31.000 Thank you, guys.

01:00:32.000 See you soon.

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01:01:27.000 All right, I got to hit this clip.

01:01:29.000 Again, Tucker is both of our friends.

01:01:30.000 We know him.

01:01:31.000 I'm not trying to make this personal.

01:01:34.000 I want to go after an idea here, okay?

01:01:36.000 Because it was said on his show that capitalism shouldn't be anywhere near Christianity.

01:01:41.000 Christianity is socialist at its core.

01:01:43.000 And I want to talk about this because I think it's really, really important because it's something we've heard throughout the years.

01:01:48.000 But it's one of those things that bubbles up and you got to kind of address it.

01:01:51.000 SOT 20. 0.91

01:01:53.000 Christianity is more, and I don't like the word socialist with the weight it carries, but Christianity is socialism at its core.

01:02:02.000 Non-authoritarian. 0.84

01:02:04.000 Well, non-authoritarian is, I think, probably apt, right?

01:02:08.000 Because so Tucker's point there, I think, is fine.

01:02:11.000 But his guest, I don't know his name either, by the way.

01:02:14.000 If somebody could get me his guest, the guest name.

01:02:16.000 But Christianity is not socialist.

01:02:20.000 So a lot of times people look to the book of Acts and they point out that the early church was encouraged to share and pool resources together.

01:02:28.000 So this is in the very formative moments of the church being birthed in Jerusalem.

01:02:33.000 And there's that crazy story where I think it's Ananias and Sapphira where they get the earth opens up and swallows them because they sold their land and they only gave half to the disciples and then they kept half for themselves.

01:02:45.000 So people point to these verses, but here's the key differentiator.

01:02:50.000 If you actually look at what that is, it was voluntary sharing and pooling of resources.

01:02:56.000 This was not state-mandated or sanctioned redistribution of wealth, which is what socialism is.

01:03:02.000 I see you nodding along.

01:03:03.000 I want to give you a chance to chime in here too.

01:03:06.000 I mean, there's a very fundamental reason that socialism has always manifested as hostile to Christianity, everywhere it's meaningfully been implemented.

01:03:17.000 Christianity, it's like Christianity actually is this like synthesis of different moral impulses.

01:03:24.000 The attack from Nietzsche, other critics of Christianity is that it's slave morality, that it rides on resentment, that it attacks successful people.

01:03:32.000 But it's actually not.

01:03:33.000 What it is, is it's offering you the framework for why you should be the stronghorse, as it were.

01:03:39.000 You should be an innovator. 0.93

01:03:40.000 You should be someone who creates, who adds value, but you have moral obligations toward those who are weak, towards those who are helpless, toward those who are the least among you, that the best way, as Charlie would say, the best way to be masculine, a Christian, masculine person, is to protect the weak, to help those weaker than you.

01:04:00.000 But you are at the same time, you are not embracing this attitude of we need collective ownership of everything.

01:04:08.000 Like it's basically bad to be successful.

01:04:12.000 And that's an important distinction.

01:04:14.000 And I think you can see that because if you look around at America, America is not a nation where we have true poverty in the sense of people starving to death, people living in total immisceration as a result of want.

01:04:29.000 What we have is we actually have people who've become and been trained to be parasitic effectively.

01:04:34.000 They've been trained to be helpless.

01:04:36.000 They've been trained to live on the dole.

01:04:38.000 People who could be working and they basically just refuse to.

01:04:43.000 They don't want to.

01:04:44.000 They've gotten addicted to things that keep them from doing so.

01:04:46.000 And that's very different from poverty as it existed in ancient Judea.

01:04:50.000 I totally agree with that.

01:04:52.000 As a matter of fact, Paul had an admonition for the early church.

01:04:57.000 He says, and this comes from 2 Thessalonians 3.10, Paul says, for even when we were with you, we would give you this command.

01:05:05.000 If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.

01:05:09.000 So there's a direct admonition in the scriptures to work with your own hands.

01:05:14.000 Paul was a tent maker.

01:05:15.000 Sometimes the church would provide him resources.

01:05:17.000 Sometimes he had to provide his own resources.

01:05:20.000 So there is both things playing out here.

01:05:23.000 Now, what I want to get to, and this is the beauty of Christianity.

01:05:26.000 Christianity is saying, work with your own hands.

01:05:29.000 If you don't work, you don't eat.

01:05:30.000 So no laziness here, okay?

01:05:32.000 Which is a huge problem with socialist economies.

01:05:37.000 But there's another verse here that I think sometimes gets conflated, and that is 1 Corinthians 1, 26 through 28.

01:05:45.000 So for consider your calling, brothers.

01:05:47.000 Not many of you were wise according to worldly standards.

01:05:49.000 Not many were powerful.

01:05:50.000 Not many were of noble birth.

01:05:52.000 But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise.

01:05:55.000 God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong.

01:05:57.000 God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are.

01:06:03.000 So what he's saying is there is an equality within the kingdom of heaven.

01:06:08.000 You have dignity before God because you are an image bearer of your creator.

01:06:13.000 But that is not economic equality.

01:06:17.000 The Bible is very pragmatic about the fact that some have much, some have little.

01:06:22.000 We would love for us to voluntarily give of our wealth to tithe to make sure that we're taking care of the needy, the poor, the downtrodden, the widows, the orphans.

01:06:32.000 That is very, very much, I would say it's one of the core principles of Christianity in practice of the church, the works of the church.

01:06:41.000 But that's very different than the works of the state.

01:06:43.000 There's no wealth confiscation.

01:06:44.000 There's no seizing the means of production in scriptures.

01:06:48.000 And I know that's communist, not socialist.

01:06:50.000 But don't conflate the equalizing of human condition about your worth, about your value, because God does choose the wise, the foolish things to shame the wise.

01:07:02.000 He does use people that are not of noble birth.

01:07:05.000 He does use lowly things.

01:07:07.000 And that's a beautiful thing about our scriptures.

01:07:09.000 But it also says, if you don't work, you don't eat.

01:07:12.000 And so I just want to make sure that we're not conflating these concepts.

01:07:16.000 It's very, very easy and very in vogue to sort of say that, you know, Christianity is a socialist thing.

01:07:23.000 And let's just say it's been done for years.

01:07:25.000 What nations have ever spread Christianity around the globe?

01:07:29.000 It's never been a socialist one. 0.95

01:07:30.000 It's always been the ones that are enterprising.

01:07:33.000 The United States, Britain before it.

01:07:36.000 Like, those are the great missionary nations, actually.

01:07:38.000 There's actually a pretty big connection, I would say, between you might call it the capitalist ethos and the missionary ethos.

01:07:45.000 That you are, you go out, you create your own thing.

01:07:49.000 You try to change the world.

01:07:51.000 You try to add value.

01:07:52.000 You try to build things.

01:07:54.000 Socialism is very hostile to that.

01:07:55.000 There's nothing that encourages you to build in socialism.

01:07:58.000 It encourages you to take.

01:07:59.000 It encourages you to feel entitled.

01:08:01.000 It encourages you to stagnate.

01:08:03.000 And nothing ever changes the world with that attitude.

01:08:06.000 Amen.

01:08:06.000 Just wanted to hit that here as we say goodbye from the Charlie Kirk show.

01:08:10.000 We will see you tomorrow.

01:08:12.000 It's a big, big night tonight.

01:08:14.000 We'll have updates tomorrow.

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