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00:02:36.000Jack, why is it so important that churches and pastors rise up and do that?
00:02:40.000Yeah, listen, first of all, the foundation is the fact that the scripture teaches us that God's word is sure and certain.
00:04:08.000And it's critical for them to know that.
00:04:11.000But if they really believe in the separation of church and state, if they've been inculcated with that, now they're realizing, wait a minute, the state is stepping into the church.
00:04:21.000And now they're awakening to that and they're asking the right questions.
00:04:25.000How do we stop this infringement of our freedoms?
00:04:28.000And the answer is always found in the church.
00:04:29.000So, Rob, you and I talked a couple years ago about the need for something like turning point faith.
00:04:34.000And just again, for people watching, it's tpusa.com/slash faith.
00:04:38.000You've informally seen some of the pastors we have started to gather and educate and hopefully inspire.
00:04:46.000Talk a little about what you've started to see nationally from some of our friends from Ken Graves in Maine to our friends in Grand Rapids, Michigan, with Pastor Cody to Pastor Frank in Chattanooga, Tennessee.
00:04:59.000Every one of these churches that opened up and defied tyranny in their state, they've exploded exponentially in growth.
00:05:07.000You've baptized 2,000 people more than 2,000 in nine months.
00:05:10.000We baptized more people in six months and was the intendants of our church six months ago.
00:05:15.000You know, Ken Graves has experienced that.
00:05:17.000Every church that's defied the tyranny and has stood, their doors are being darkened by people who would never darken the doors of a church.
00:05:24.000And they're coming in droves because they're seeing that this faith that they're espousing actually has legs on it and means something for their life because nobody wants to lose their freedoms.
00:05:34.000And they're all seeing this infringement.
00:05:36.000And those churches that are open have the answers.
00:05:39.000So, Bob, far too often we allow our political discourse to all of a sudden kind of go into this moment where we say, we're not going to really call right from wrong.
00:05:49.000You can do whatever you want to do, which inevitably leads to tyranny.
00:05:52.000How important is it that Christians and the church actually start to get re-engaged in this particular moment?
00:05:57.000Because absent a moral transcendent order, then it's just one opinion over the other, which you know what that means?
00:06:03.000Whoever has the bigger stick ends up winning.
00:06:43.000If a person doesn't understand that, then all they do is focus on the flesh.
00:06:48.000And so they're consumed by all of that and they miss what's going on in life.
00:06:52.000And the benefit of turning point faith is that not only do we have to make the mental decisions, understanding the history and be informed, not only do we have to have health and take care of ourselves and not allow people to steal it from us, but then we have to have a spiritual aspect.
00:07:08.000And the spiritual aspect of all the great leaders of our nation have understood, and what the church provides is access to a heavenly Father who knows and loves us.
00:07:16.000So if we're going to make a turning point for our marriage, a turning point for an individual, we also have to have an appreciation for a turning point of faith.
00:07:23.000And you mentioned about the nation, the nation that doesn't do that.
00:07:26.000Then it's only who has the bigger stick, who has the bigger group.
00:07:28.000And you can tell it by listening to a politician for 60 seconds when they talk about, they talk about women's rights, and they talk about Hispanic rights.
00:07:36.000They talk about, there are no blonde, left-handed rights.
00:07:40.000There's only rights that come from God, and he gave them to all of us.
00:07:43.000And as long as we did so, then we were one as a nation.
00:07:46.000The idea to separate us out by skin color or by gender or by anything else, that is what separates America.
00:08:29.000It's probably the foundational birth certificate of what we know in our liberty and freedoms today.
00:08:36.000From the Magna Carta and that declaration of individual rights and freedoms that have been given to us by God, our original founding fathers, Bradford and those on the Mayflower, their next authorship was the Mayflower Compact.
00:08:52.000And it tells you right there that there's these structures, these rules, guardrails, I'll call them, that are given to us by God.
00:09:00.000And from those writings, we talked earlier before about John Locke.
00:09:05.000I think 1,500 references that John Locke wrote from scripture regarding the government of man and how we should live.
00:09:13.000I mean, it's overwhelmingly obvious that we're created by God.
00:09:18.000He has based, he says, his image in us.
00:09:51.000They just left and they went, who knows where they went.
00:09:55.000But if you read the Mayflower Compact, it's so tightly written, but it's basically, if we survive, here's what we're going to agree to.
00:10:01.000In a transcendent order, here's how we're going to govern ourselves.
00:10:04.000And what's amazing, it was an impromptu kind of ad hoc creation in the middle of a storm of how does one govern themselves when you go to something barren?
00:10:40.000And then the Magna Carta is this idea that...
00:10:42.000Which came a couple hundred years before 20 or 1219 or something.
00:10:46.000And they were stating that the king may be the sovereign, but he has limited rights over man because there are rights that we're given by God that no man can take.
00:10:56.000And so that was the first of self-rule that started to establish in the world, especially 6,000 years of recorded history.
00:11:02.000And you talk about the 5,000-year leap.
00:11:08.000So, yes, the 5,000-year leap, which we take for granted in this kind of construct of the founders, but this idea of how does one govern themselves has been the great question of human existence.
00:11:21.000And only thanks to the Bible and understanding the Bible and applying it through obedient teaching can you even get to a construct that respects the natural law.
00:11:30.000And now, a Republican style of government, we didn't invent that.
00:11:37.000But if you read Federalist 48 and Federalist 52 and Federalist 60, they mention the Italian city-states so many times.
00:11:43.000And what happens is they crumble once they get too big.
00:11:46.000They crumble because of licentiousness, because of greed, because of incurring territories.
00:11:52.000So the question of the founders, and I'll give this to you, Bob, that Hamilton, Madison, and Jay were wrestling with in the anonymously written newspaper articles in New York, written as Publius.
00:12:01.000Can we have a big, small, our Republican style of government?
00:13:27.000And so with the Reformation, that's where this idea of this exploration of civil government came about with the Geneva Bible.
00:13:33.000And then taking a look, as Tyndale had written, that word in Matthew 16, 18 isn't church, it's ecclesia, which means assembly or public square.
00:13:42.000And I love the study you've done on that, that it existed hundreds of years before Christ co-opted it.
00:13:47.000And Aristotle used it, Plato used it, Socrates used it.
00:14:43.000If we're seeing this happen now, look, we're hailing from California.
00:14:47.000We have seen governments say, this is the church.
00:14:51.000They not only said this is what the police will do, and this is what the city council will do, and this is what the county is going to do, this is what the church is going to do.
00:14:59.000And that's where, as believers, turning point faith, that's where this stops for us.
00:15:03.000The Christian should be the best citizen, hands down, of anybody in the community.
00:15:08.000But when an edict comes that has no regard for God, then we've got to obey God.
00:15:15.000Charlie, I want to say thank you to Turning Point because the idea of turning point faith, when Jack and I were under the gun in California and we were facing, we call him Governor Nussalini, when we were facing him and he was coming after us and we stood our ground because he may be the governor, but he doesn't have power over God and his bride, the church.
00:15:38.000And you stood with us and all of the resources.
00:15:41.000But still, there weren't a lot of people out there.
00:15:44.000And all the resources of Turning Point and all the encouragement, and especially the social media following, it put a light on it, and then they backed off.
00:15:51.000They backed off with us, they backed off on you.
00:15:53.000So, what I could tell you is this, and Bob, I want to get your comments on this.
00:15:56.000When we started to really highlight Jack and Rob, what you were doing, we'd get messages from the buckle the Bible Belt in Mississippi, in Alabama, in South Carolina, in Georgia, in Texas.
00:16:06.000I wish I had a Jack Hibbs and Rob McCoy in my local area.
00:16:10.000And it's, whoa, all of a sudden, it's the people that are in the remnant of tyranny that are now fighting for liberty and the people that kind of have it in Alabama and Mississippi where they're a little less likely to kind of contest.
00:16:21.000Not to say there's no good pastors in Alabama.
00:16:24.000But there definitely was, at least from the messages we got, kind of a desire for this sort of a pastor and kind of where it was a little bit more of a comfortable scenario.
00:16:35.000Is there something said, Bob, that in a kind of weird turn of events, some of all of this tyranny, authoritarianism, the mass mandates, the vaccine mandates, is that going to, in some ways, create an equal and opposite reaction where we're going to all of a sudden see bold and courageous pastors unlike ever before?
00:16:51.000I certainly pray so, because I didn't think that we would be in this condition to start with.
00:16:55.000If you would have told me two and a half years ago, if you told me that the Stalin lands in New York and gave an edict to Americans, close all your churches for the rest of the year.
00:17:04.000If Hitler had marched down Pennsylvania Avenue and said, close all your churches, we would have stood up with, we'd never think about such a thing.
00:17:09.000But we have these governors, these mayors, these people sitting around this governor up in Oregon says that churches can't even gather Kate Brown.
00:17:16.000And the idea that those people, and that here's the point, though, it goes to the heart of your question.
00:17:20.000The idea that Americans succumb to it was a real startling idea to me.
00:17:25.000And when I would see these young girls snap and bark at you for not having a diaper on your face, the idea that hanging toilet paper from your nose will stop a disease is so fascinating that people were so enamored by it and would succumb to it was truly startling.
00:17:40.000So in answer to your question, I think now people are going to see the separation.
00:17:44.000And we've seen how vulnerable we were, that we were willing to allow people just to write a piece of paper.
00:17:49.000And the CDC in Atlanta, who elected by no one and not a person can tell me who they are, to make an order to say that you cannot charge rent in your apartment in California and Americans will succumb to it.
00:18:06.000And I would just say as having served in government, that that is very frightening to me.
00:18:10.000Because America cannot be free if Americans do not want to be free.
00:18:14.000And what we now see the distinction, we see the difference, and people need to, from now on, no more sleeping because the barbarians are at the door and we must stand up.
00:18:25.000It takes us to what you're doing here, Charlie.
00:18:28.000People did the stupidest things because they were terrified because of fear.
00:18:43.000They say, Charlie, I know I'm not supposed to have a spirit of fear, but rationally and reasonably, I'm very afraid of getting the virus because of this reason and this reason and that reason.
00:18:53.000How do we balance not having, because Aristotle talked about having the moderation of all things, right?
00:19:00.000So you don't want to all of a sudden kind of drive on one hours of sleep and not wear your seat.
00:21:58.000Fear is how, since man is susceptible to it, tyrants always use it to control.
00:22:04.000We had dinner, Andy Andrews and I, and he was so frustrated explaining as to why he saw these Jewish fathers loading their children onto the boxcars.
00:22:36.000So you're the father, and you have to go home and make an inventory of everything you had, all the pianos and paintings and pictures and things, but take just enough for overnight because we're going to take you to a better place.
00:23:07.000Americans were known to not be fearful.
00:23:09.000They're the ones that marched into the Battle of the Bulge when everybody else has fallen away.
00:23:13.000What the American GI marched into Normandy, etc.
00:23:17.000This idea of us succumbing to fear will take our liberty, and we've seen it happen, and the time has come for leaders to stop it.
00:23:24.000So now I really want to kind of get to just America in general, a non-political discussion, just what we're seeing around us and what can be done about this regime and what we're living under.
00:23:34.000I want to pick up what you said, though.
00:23:57.000Refounded itself based on prioritizing pleasure as prioritizing rebellion, prioritizing dissension, prioritizing authoritarianism.
00:24:07.000And I think that's an important moment because we're really living in a post-1960s America where that spirit of fear was kind of rejected in the 1940s, 1950s.
00:24:18.000And the 60s had a totally different attitude.
00:24:21.000And I think that's important to kind of being able to tell ourselves how we navigate that.
00:24:25.000Also, Rob, in the late 1960s, early 70s, we saw a different form of Christianity come in America.
00:24:33.000So Chuck Smith came on the scene, especially for Calvary Chapel in 68, and the idea of evangelism.
00:24:42.000And they brought in syncopated rhythms, which probably disappointed you and Liz, but Maranatha music.
00:24:48.000And what they did in California, interestingly enough, is Chuck taught the Bible verse by verse, chapter by chapter, book by book, but he stayed away from politics because in 68 when he started it, Martin Luther King, Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. had been shot.
00:25:08.000Then he had the Meli Massacre, the Ted Offensive, and all these young people who had been seeking hope and change had checked out of the church and explored Eastern religions and drug use.
00:25:19.000And they came back disillusioned because all their political heroes were dead.
00:26:38.000For those that are watching right now, there was no instruction to, now that you're a Christian, let the light of Jesus shine out of you everywhere.
00:26:47.000Not just at Boeing or Raytheon or at the county.
00:26:55.000And that's where we're seeing a change in California now.
00:26:59.000But is it Proverbs 29, 2, I believe, that says that when the wicked are in authority, the people groan, but when the righteous rule, people rejoice.
00:27:08.000And to me, that is a mandate to let your light so shine everywhere.
00:27:45.000Well, I was just going to add that with that revolution that occurred that you speak of, there was a communist invasion into the nation in the sense that they occupied the folks that were in the 60s and 70s in the war riots that ended up coming back to church.
00:28:02.000But some of them now they become the professors and the teachers.
00:28:34.000One of the most misunderstood but often quoted lines is render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God the things that are God's, as though there's a separation of church and state.
00:28:48.000When Jesus said that, give me a coin, give me a coin, and he holds up that coin and he asks the people, whose inscription's on this?
00:29:39.000It's very effective to then take that and say, I shouldn't be involved in government.
00:29:43.000And then when pastors want to keep people, they want to protect their flock.
00:29:47.000And they can tell when people get involved in anything else, in sports or in whatever.
00:29:52.000And so they say, you need to stay here because this world's not our home and we're just passing through.
00:29:56.000And they can sense when people start to get involved in politics.
00:29:59.000You need to explain why this lighthouse for the gospel, why this nation is so abundantly blessed more than any place else in the entire planet, why it prospered and this idea of withdrawing, as in Romans, that they use a few verses.
00:30:16.000Well, Romans 13, that God appoints all positions of authority and that we're to submit to them and they're put there for our good and they're to do good.
00:30:26.000And then as we told earlier with Jonathan Mayhew, he died in 1766, but he was the minister who exegeted Romans 13 and shared with all the soon to be founding fathers on the Eastern seaboard, First and Second Great Awakening.
00:30:41.000And he looked at that passage and he said, yes, God appoints all positions of authority.
00:30:45.000And yes, we're to submit to them, but they're there for our good to do good.
00:30:49.000And if they cease to do good, they cease to be the authority.
00:30:51.000And he coined the phrase, disobedience to tyrants is obedience to God, which John Adams said was the inspiration for the War of Independence.
00:31:04.000And there wasn't a constitutional republic like you were describing.
00:31:07.000Now we are in a constitutional republic that defines in Romans 13 who the authority is.
00:31:12.000And it's in the first three words of the preamble of the Constitution, we the people.
00:31:16.000And anyone who governs governs by our consent, and it's power on loan from the sovereign.
00:31:23.000And when they violate the oath of office to swear to defend a constitution that puts parameters on their ability to infringe on our inalienable rights, we must hold them accountable.
00:31:34.000And that's what we're not instructing in the churches to do.
00:31:37.000And that's where we must step forward.
00:31:39.000We were very critical of the Jews that when the trains went by and you could hear the people crying out that they would stand and sing loud enough that they wouldn't hear it.
00:31:48.000Can you comprehend that in America for the last year and a half, they've been willing to let some bureaucrat say that you can't have church at all.
00:31:56.000So we thought we would never go down that road.
00:31:58.000That's where the crisis is at this moment.
00:32:03.000How is it that the freedoms of this nation and the wealth, the prosperity, the rights that we have, predominantly now First Amendment, there's a reason why it's the First Amendment, was structured by and created by men who knew what the Bible said.
00:33:16.000And it doesn't even get close to understanding first and foremost the philosophical and religious basis of these texts.
00:33:23.000I mean, you just take the Declaration of Independence, which is an objectively beautiful document written by, let's just say, if you had to put one president, one founding father who was the least Christian, it would be Thomas Jefferson.
00:33:42.000Let's say he was the least Christian, right, Jack?
00:33:45.000Well, the least Christian founding father, he himself understood what the Bible said better than even some of the best Christians in America did.
00:33:56.000So the least Jefferson had his slaves learn English from the Bible, which was against the Crown of England, by the way.
00:34:04.000And that Jefferson, in the editing of the Bible, the New Testament, Jefferson says that it was a tract, a tract for somebody to get like a cleft note version of the gospel.
00:34:18.000Well, and I mean, Thomas Jefferson, I'm a big Thomas Jefferson fan.
00:34:21.000I think he gets totally misunderstood.
00:34:23.000He blamed King George for bringing slaves to America in the original draft of the Declaration.
00:34:28.000He fought for the abolition of slavery as governor of Virginia.
00:34:31.000He signed the moratorium of new slaves coming into America.
00:34:35.000It was one of his first acts in March of 1807.
00:34:38.000But anyway, what I was saying about Thomas Jefferson, which even if you look at the first paragraph of the Declaration of Independence, it's an objectively beautiful paragraph because he appeals to divine eternal truths of order, laws of nature, and nature is God.
00:34:51.000He says that all human beings are equal, as you say, Bob, equal at the cross, equal as made in the image of God.
00:34:57.000And he also emphasizes life, liberty, the pursuit of virtue.
00:35:00.000And it used to be property and it got changed to pursuit of happiness.
00:35:04.000They didn't want to totally plagiarize John Locke.
00:35:06.000But one of the most amazing things of the entire opening is that when in the course of human events, that's an eternal claim.
00:35:13.000That means that it's anytime any people.
00:35:15.000Anytime any people, anywhere, any place, it could be Papua New Guinea, it could be Indonesia.
00:37:35.000Jack, you are chomping at the bit to get into it.
00:37:38.000Because I stood at the Jefferson Memorial listening to a National Park Ranger completely pitched the opposite of what you just said and made Jefferson into a monster.
00:37:50.000And I sat there and I was with Lisa's uncle, and we just couldn't take it anymore.
00:38:42.000And I really want to pick your brain on this because I think this applies where the left always knew if they were able to indict our founding, then the country can unravel.
00:38:51.000This is why everyone's so interested in ancestry.com, right?
00:39:01.000I mean, Luke and Matthew, if I'm not mistaken, both open up with a genealogy of either Joseph or Mary or I think one through Joseph, one through Mary.
00:39:11.000And the Bible is very clear about passing customs down from one generation to the other.
00:39:16.000There's a yearning in your soul for that.
00:39:18.000So then you have the 16-year-old citizen who's looking around and looking at, hope they don't even have the flag anymore in the classrooms.
00:39:25.000But let's pretend there's a flag around.
00:39:26.000They say, I wonder what that means to me.
00:39:28.000And the left has always known if they can make that flag be something other than something virtuous or admirable, they've won the entire debate.
00:39:37.000In the 1980s, Reagan was very clear about bringing back this idea of kind of the magnanimous conservative, but the unapologetically patriotic conservative.
00:39:48.000I hate to be critical of Reagan because he was so phenomenal, but there were some things he did that were questionable with immigration and many other things.
00:39:54.000But just broadly in the 80s, Bob, in early 90s, do you think that we didn't take the government education problem serious enough?
00:40:11.000If you can't remember your past, then you don't know who you are.
00:40:14.000Therefore, you don't know where you're going.
00:40:16.000And if your wife is dying of cancer, you can speak to her and make pledges and hold her hand.
00:40:22.000And if she goes into eternity, it's as sad as can be.
00:40:25.000But when a person is there and they don't know who you are and they don't know who they are, it's a tragic, tragic.
00:40:30.000Now, what has been a deliberate attempt to take this 4% of the population of the world, that as long as there is an American on the planet, they know that that's the place that I can go to to escape.
00:40:40.000If a ship is attacked from the high seas, as there's an American, they'll come save me.
00:40:44.000If somebody's cheating on a patent, I know that American will protect us.
00:40:48.000If somebody's printing artificial money in the money supply, any place on the planet, American banking says, well, shut it down.
00:40:53.000America is the standard for righteousness.
00:40:55.000If we can just take away what America is, then we can give it Alzheimer's.
00:41:40.000That's why I was on the 1776 Commission.
00:41:42.000Because we've got to understand America was founded on July 4th, 1776, not in 1619, 150 years before Thomas Jefferson or George Washington was even born.
00:41:51.000But they tried to cloud the two so that America doesn't know what they were, therefore they don't know who they are.
00:41:57.000And that's why that's the war that we're involved in right now.
00:41:59.000So the question is, what is the most important thing that we can do?
00:42:02.000In the 1980s, 90s, we knew that the educational system was being stolen out from under us, but we didn't want to get involved.
00:42:18.000It was the ego, the embedded growth obligation.
00:42:21.000Things are just going to keep on getting better, and we don't want to upset the application.
00:42:24.000And the country was always, America was never the premier nation on earth until 1947.
00:42:29.000And then after that, it was in a telegram that was sent from the Prime Minister of Britain, was sent to Harry Truman on April 7th, 1947, and said, unless the United States intervened in the Cyprus crisis, that the Crown had neither the capacity nor the will to be involved.
00:42:46.000And with that, the torch was passed to the United States of America, became the premier nation on earth.
00:42:50.000Never in the history of man has one nation become the premier nation on earth without what it didn't seek it.
00:43:03.000The single exception to that is the United States of America that was given world leadership, not because it sought it, but because people trusted it.
00:43:14.000But we've handed it more responsibly than any place else.
00:43:18.000Now, in the process of that, we then were in a competition for 70 years.
00:43:22.000At the end, we could get into how it happened, but nevertheless, after World War II, we gave away for that eight-year period, gave away all of Central and Eastern Europe to the Soviet Union.
00:43:33.000And so then we had this competition going on.
00:43:35.000Ronald Reagan, and then by that time, when Eisenhower came in, he said, Well, we have to contain communism, stay where we are.
00:43:41.000Reagan came in and said, We don't have to contain communism.
00:43:43.000We can transcend communism and went after it and collapsed it.
00:43:47.000Now, these people that are in their 20s have lived in a period unlike any time in the history of the world where there's one nation, completely unchallenged economically, military, and politically on the planet.
00:43:57.000And so they thought this is how it is.
00:43:58.000And so they think, I can just go ahead and we'll take socialism from Venezuela and we'll take this from there.
00:44:04.000And they don't understand that none of those people would do anything.
00:44:07.000If a ship is lost, if a plane is lost over the Alps this afternoon or flying over Africa tonight, they're using a global positioning system conceived, invented, and maintained by Americans.
00:45:08.000I mean, I've never said that, but it is the greatest experiment in human governance with plenty of other examples to compare it to, by the way.
00:45:16.000The East does not have the same tradition or customs or ability of rights-based government that we have here.
00:45:45.000And so there is, when you don't have a system that is either built on objective morality, agreed-upon principles, or a transcendent order, or the protection of those rights given by God, it creates a very untrustworthy system.
00:46:00.000So Vishal in his book, he's allowed to get away with this because he's Indian.
00:46:04.000He tells the story how he went to Denmark before, it might have been the Netherlands before it has recently kind of become terrible.
00:46:13.000This was written like 12 or 15 years ago.
00:46:15.000And so he goes to this beautiful dairy farm in the Netherlands with a pastor friend of his, and they go to this farm, and there's just kind of a booth set up, and no one is there.
00:46:24.000And it just says, you know, please serve yourself some milk, take a cookie, and leave this much money.
00:46:29.000And Vishal is perplexed by this entire thing.
00:46:59.000And the point is that in the East, it's, what's the result of that?
00:47:04.000Things get more expensive because you've got to hire somebody to protect the cows.
00:47:08.000Got to hire someone to count the money.
00:47:09.000Got to hire someone to make sure the milk's not stolen.
00:47:11.000Got to hire someone to make sure that the barn's not stolen.
00:47:13.000All of a sudden, it becomes less accessible for middle-class workers to be able to go out to the farmland to be able to get a nice glass of milk and enjoy that kind of that.
00:47:21.000And then the owner is always worrying about insurance and this.
00:48:20.000We someday we want to have one like that.
00:48:22.000Now, as you see that as America takes thou shalt not covet off the wall of the schools, then you begin to have to, literally, in nice, beautiful neighborhoods in Texas and elsewhere, they're now having to put up walls around property based upon the abandonment of the essential ingredient that without self-discipline, there cannot be self-government.
00:49:00.000The idea of private schools, you know, being the end-all-be-all in America, I'll tell you what, all of a sudden the government-run schools are so bad that it's a caste system.
00:49:09.000You go to the government-run schools in L.A., you are done.
00:49:11.000That's how Mexico works, that's how India works, that's how Laos works, that's how Thailand works, where the upper-middle-class kids, they go to a special school, the other kids go to another school.
00:49:38.000And it's interesting what you just said because Larry Elder gives the breakdown of Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, these cities to where the public school teachers and administrators gives you the percentages of how many of those people send their kids to private schools.
00:50:01.000Well, and that really is, if you want to look at a deeper analysis outside of one side is better than the other, it really is the ruling class versus the ruled.
00:50:10.000That is the divide that happened post-1960s, is that the people in charge were able to use whatever economic prosperity we had to create carve-outs.
00:50:20.000Another example: the Biden regime says you must get vaccinated against your will.
00:50:25.000We've stood against that at Turning Point USA the best we can, but it's not mandatory in the Biden White House.
00:50:30.000If you work in the Biden White House, you get an exemption letter.
00:50:51.000And that gift of freedom must be instructed.
00:50:54.000And that's why the longest running family meal in world history is the Seder, the Passover, because they remembered they were in bondage and God set you free.
00:51:19.000So where it once said, thou shalt not covet, we can bring forward in our classroom a form of government that's been responsible for a billion people being murdered on the planet.
00:52:31.000So you guys could do that at tpusa.com/slash faith.
00:52:34.000There are boatloads of resources for you.
00:52:36.000For example, we're doing webinars where we are going to offer pastors the best ways to counsel them through mandatory vaccinations, the best way to be able to write exemption letters, the best way to be able to fight local government.
00:52:48.000So we want to help instruct where we can and educate pastors the best practices that you two have been able to develop.
00:52:55.000And more than that, we want churches to commit to at least one or two a year at the very minimum.
00:53:02.000But beyond that, hopefully one a month, where you are bringing a conversation what's happening outside of the church doors in real events.
00:53:09.000And what does the Bible tell about that?
00:54:00.000But what was such a blessing is when Charlie would travel the country, I started to realize, kind of like the prophet, that there's a thousand people, there's many that haven't bowed their knee to bail.
00:54:46.000But, Charlie, I think the most important thing that needs to be said to a pastor why they should be engaged in turning point faith is for this reason.
00:54:56.000I want them to be thinking that there are people within their church who are just looking for the thumbs up from their pastor the permission to get involved in the school board to craft the sex education that's going to be going on in their in their local school.
00:55:15.000There's congregants who just want their pastor to say, if God, God may be calling you to run for mayor, they're sitting there in those congregations.
00:55:24.000Pastors need to understand that that congregate, and we're not asking the pastor to run for mayor, the congregant may want to run for city council.
00:55:34.000We have seen that, Charlie, we haven't changed anything for 30 years.
00:55:42.000We know the point is this, that if we adopt our culture in every way, shape, and form, in the vicinity, as it were, of our zip code, and do Jesus.
00:55:53.000Share Jesus, the love of God tangibly, not just preaching, but equipping them to go out and do it on Monday morning.
00:56:00.000That has transformed our communities so much so that we become the target of anti-faith organizations.
00:56:23.000America, I would say to pastors and those that are involved in politics, the United States is a standard for righteousness in the world.
00:56:30.000Every time somebody wants to do something screwball in some parliament in Africa or Australia or whatever, they say, well, in America, they're doing it.
00:56:37.000And when they see them put the Chinese Black Lives Matter flag over the embassy, in America, people have no idea that people look to America as the standard.
00:56:45.000When a church is being overrun in Nigeria, they look to Americans to protect them.
00:56:51.000And as I said, if you take all the money that goes for global evangelism from the entire planet, 85 cents out of every dollar came from this 4% of the population of the world called Americans.
00:57:05.000And so therefore, we're involved in this spiritual battle.
00:57:08.000Now, what would be effective is if we could take the Bible believers that have God's wisdom and ask them to please sit over here and allow Satan to come in and steal this great place.
00:57:20.000Half of all those people that are self-identified evangelicals, half of them are not registered to vote.
00:57:26.000Of those that are registered to vote, half of them do not vote.
00:57:29.000So therefore, I believe that if a person is in a position of church leadership, a pastor or anyone else, is going to stand before God and say, what did you do in a time of crisis?
00:57:44.000He was a little fired up about what happened to the person that buried his talent.
00:57:47.000If you stand before God and say that you were in a position of responsibility at a time of great crisis in our nation, there'll be a penalty for it.
00:57:55.000The final observation is that it doesn't take much.
00:57:59.000The person who said that girls, a boy should be allowed to shower at a girls' bathroom in the Fort Worth School District got 1,100 votes.
00:58:08.000There is a church just a few blocks away has 35,000 members, one church in this hundreds of thousands district.
00:58:29.000I just want to encourage everyone, tpusa.com slash faith.
00:58:32.000All three of these amazing men are part of our leadership team and part of what we are doing here and kind of our advisors and people we're leaning upon.
00:58:40.000And so I want to just encourage everyone watching or listening, take that step of faith.
00:58:44.000Have a conversation with your pastor about this.
00:58:47.000So if you're just going to a church, you're like, man, I feel the spirit of the Lord moving.
00:58:51.000Go to your pastor and maybe send them this link.
00:58:53.000Send them this link and have him just say, hey, what's your thoughts on this?
00:58:56.000And if they have questions, you can go from there.
00:58:59.000Maybe you are on the elder board or you are a pastor because we have a lot of those.