The Charlie Kirk Show - A Coalition of Faith and Liberty with Jack Hibbs, Bob McEwen, and Rob McCoy

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00:01:26.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:58.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

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00:02:26.000 And just tell you a little about turning point faith.

00:02:29.000 We want to bring a coalition of liberty between churches and grassroots Americans to try and save Western civilization.

00:02:36.000 Jack, why is it so important that churches and pastors rise up and do that?

00:02:40.000 Yeah, listen, first of all, the foundation is the fact that the scripture teaches us that God's word is sure and certain.

00:02:47.000 We have departed from God's word.

00:02:49.000 Many pulpits today do not believe in the inerrancy of scripture.

00:02:53.000 We've got to get back to the scripture, back to the Bible, and back to our nation's roots.

00:02:58.000 A lot of people struggle with, well, that's political and that's faith.

00:03:02.000 When you go to the foundation of America, it was all faith that drove this nation into existence.

00:03:09.000 We need to get back to a culture that honors God and does the right thing.

00:03:13.000 Are you starting to see that change amongst other pastors, at least in your region?

00:03:18.000 Believe it or not, we're starting to see that change in southern Babylonia or California.

00:03:24.000 Southern California.

00:03:24.000 California.

00:03:25.000 It's happening.

00:03:26.000 We're so excited.

00:03:28.000 And yeah, it's changing and people are waking up to the truth.

00:03:31.000 So Rob and Jack, either of you could take this, but what do you have to say for pastors that are listening right now?

00:03:36.000 Or there are some people that sit on elder boards and they say, we don't do that.

00:03:39.000 We don't talk about moral issues.

00:03:41.000 We just do the gospel.

00:03:42.000 I agree with you, Charlie, politically.

00:03:44.000 I listen to the Charlie Kirk show.

00:03:45.000 I listen to you, Rob, but that's not for our church.

00:03:48.000 You know, we don't do that here.

00:03:50.000 Why is that a misguided view?

00:03:54.000 Does the gospel have something to say about their marriage?

00:03:56.000 Does the gospel have something to say about how to raise your kids?

00:03:59.000 How to educate their kids?

00:04:00.000 Well, it has something to say about politics and how your city is supposed to operate and your state and your nation.

00:04:06.000 So they need to know that.

00:04:08.000 And it's critical for them to know that.

00:04:11.000 But if they really believe in the separation of church and state, if they've been inculcated with that, now they're realizing, wait a minute, the state is stepping into the church.

00:04:21.000 And now they're awakening to that and they're asking the right questions.

00:04:25.000 How do we stop this infringement of our freedoms?

00:04:28.000 And the answer is always found in the church.

00:04:29.000 So, Rob, you and I talked a couple years ago about the need for something like turning point faith.

00:04:34.000 And just again, for people watching, it's tpusa.com/slash faith.

00:04:38.000 You've informally seen some of the pastors we have started to gather and educate and hopefully inspire.

00:04:46.000 Talk a little about what you've started to see nationally from some of our friends from Ken Graves in Maine to our friends in Grand Rapids, Michigan, with Pastor Cody to Pastor Frank in Chattanooga, Tennessee.

00:04:57.000 God is moving here.

00:04:59.000 Every one of these churches that opened up and defied tyranny in their state, they've exploded exponentially in growth.

00:05:07.000 You've baptized 2,000 people more than 2,000 in nine months.

00:05:10.000 We baptized more people in six months and was the intendants of our church six months ago.

00:05:15.000 You know, Ken Graves has experienced that.

00:05:17.000 Every church that's defied the tyranny and has stood, their doors are being darkened by people who would never darken the doors of a church.

00:05:24.000 And they're coming in droves because they're seeing that this faith that they're espousing actually has legs on it and means something for their life because nobody wants to lose their freedoms.

00:05:34.000 And they're all seeing this infringement.

00:05:36.000 And those churches that are open have the answers.

00:05:39.000 So, Bob, far too often we allow our political discourse to all of a sudden kind of go into this moment where we say, we're not going to really call right from wrong.

00:05:49.000 You can do whatever you want to do, which inevitably leads to tyranny.

00:05:52.000 How important is it that Christians and the church actually start to get re-engaged in this particular moment?

00:05:57.000 Because absent a moral transcendent order, then it's just one opinion over the other, which you know what that means?

00:06:03.000 Whoever has the bigger stick ends up winning.

00:06:06.000 And America wanted to abandon that.

00:06:08.000 You asked the question: what would they do if people are involved in the leadership of the church?

00:06:13.000 What if a person is really not involved in the church much at all or having a question spiritually?

00:06:19.000 Why would turning point faith be of interest?

00:06:21.000 You know, we all have three parts.

00:06:23.000 We have a body.

00:06:24.000 All of us have one.

00:06:25.000 Some have more than we wish we had.

00:06:26.000 But we have a soul and a spirit.

00:06:29.000 A soul is the mind or the will.

00:06:31.000 You make up your mind, the will, or the emotions.

00:06:33.000 But then the spirit.

00:06:34.000 And if you don't understand the spiritual part, you can't lead the spirit of the core, the esprit de core, the spirit of a nation.

00:06:39.000 Leadership requires spirit.

00:06:41.000 Spirit is a spiritual encounter.

00:06:43.000 If a person doesn't understand that, then all they do is focus on the flesh.

00:06:48.000 And so they're consumed by all of that and they miss what's going on in life.

00:06:52.000 And the benefit of turning point faith is that not only do we have to make the mental decisions, understanding the history and be informed, not only do we have to have health and take care of ourselves and not allow people to steal it from us, but then we have to have a spiritual aspect.

00:07:08.000 And the spiritual aspect of all the great leaders of our nation have understood, and what the church provides is access to a heavenly Father who knows and loves us.

00:07:16.000 So if we're going to make a turning point for our marriage, a turning point for an individual, we also have to have an appreciation for a turning point of faith.

00:07:23.000 And you mentioned about the nation, the nation that doesn't do that.

00:07:26.000 Then it's only who has the bigger stick, who has the bigger group.

00:07:28.000 And you can tell it by listening to a politician for 60 seconds when they talk about, they talk about women's rights, and they talk about Hispanic rights.

00:07:36.000 They talk about, there are no blonde, left-handed rights. 1.00

00:07:40.000 There's only rights that come from God, and he gave them to all of us.

00:07:43.000 And as long as we did so, then we were one as a nation.

00:07:46.000 The idea to separate us out by skin color or by gender or by anything else, that is what separates America.

00:07:53.000 And what does faith do?

00:07:54.000 Faith brings us together.

00:07:56.000 So it's an essential ingredient in all that we're doing.

00:07:59.000 And Jack, if not the church, then who?

00:08:01.000 Well, exactly that.

00:08:02.000 There's no other hope.

00:08:03.000 The only hope for the United States, which, by the way, is the only hope for all nations.

00:08:07.000 Doesn't that what the scriptures say?

00:08:09.000 Old Testament to New Testament, the hope of the nations is the Lord Jesus Christ himself.

00:08:14.000 It's got to be the church.

00:08:16.000 It was the church at the beginning of this nation.

00:08:19.000 A lot of people, and I'm sad to say there's pastors that don't even know what the Magna Carta is or the Mayflower Compact.

00:08:26.000 Let's talk about that.

00:08:27.000 What is the Magna Carta, Jack?

00:08:29.000 It's probably the foundational birth certificate of what we know in our liberty and freedoms today.

00:08:36.000 From the Magna Carta and that declaration of individual rights and freedoms that have been given to us by God, our original founding fathers, Bradford and those on the Mayflower, their next authorship was the Mayflower Compact.

00:08:52.000 And it tells you right there that there's these structures, these rules, guardrails, I'll call them, that are given to us by God.

00:09:00.000 And from those writings, we talked earlier before about John Locke.

00:09:05.000 I think 1,500 references that John Locke wrote from scripture regarding the government of man and how we should live.

00:09:13.000 I mean, it's overwhelmingly obvious that we're created by God.

00:09:18.000 He has based, he says, his image in us.

00:09:22.000 We think freedom.

00:09:23.000 We know what tyranny is.

00:09:24.000 Look what's happening right now in Afghanistan.

00:09:27.000 We're watching the big stick overrule the freedom and the love that people have to be free.

00:09:34.000 And it's so important you mentioned the Magna Carta and the Mayflower Compact.

00:09:37.000 The Mayflower Compact was written actually at sea amongst people that did not even know they were going to survive the trip.

00:09:43.000 And not all were believers.

00:09:45.000 That's what's so incredible.

00:09:46.000 It was 120 families, I think.

00:09:47.000 I could be wrong with the number.

00:09:49.000 And there were some defectors, too.

00:09:50.000 Some people didn't even sign it.

00:09:51.000 They just left and they went, who knows where they went.

00:09:55.000 But if you read the Mayflower Compact, it's so tightly written, but it's basically, if we survive, here's what we're going to agree to.

00:10:01.000 In a transcendent order, here's how we're going to govern ourselves.

00:10:04.000 And what's amazing, it was an impromptu kind of ad hoc creation in the middle of a storm of how does one govern themselves when you go to something barren?

00:10:13.000 That is Locke's question, isn't it?

00:10:15.000 Yeah.

00:10:16.000 Of who is a man in the state of nature?

00:10:19.000 And they were blown off course.

00:10:20.000 And so they were supposed to go somewhere completely different.

00:10:22.000 They would have been under the authority of the king had they not been blown off course.

00:10:25.000 That's right.

00:10:26.000 And they ended up in a place where they had to come up with their own political structure.

00:10:30.000 And so, and part of that is a declaration of the furtherance of the gospel.

00:10:35.000 That's in the Mayflower Compact.

00:10:36.000 It says so.

00:10:37.000 The glory of God and the furtherance of the gospel.

00:10:39.000 Furtherance of the gospel.

00:10:40.000 And then the Magna Carta is this idea that...

00:10:42.000 Which came a couple hundred years before 20 or 1219 or something.

00:10:46.000 And they were stating that the king may be the sovereign, but he has limited rights over man because there are rights that we're given by God that no man can take.

00:10:56.000 And so that was the first of self-rule that started to establish in the world, especially 6,000 years of recorded history.

00:11:02.000 And you talk about the 5,000-year leap.

00:11:04.000 Yes, I was right.

00:11:05.000 It was 1215.

00:11:06.000 Right around that.

00:11:06.000 Yeah.

00:11:07.000 I was off by a year.

00:11:08.000 So, yes, the 5,000-year leap, which we take for granted in this kind of construct of the founders, but this idea of how does one govern themselves has been the great question of human existence.

00:11:21.000 And only thanks to the Bible and understanding the Bible and applying it through obedient teaching can you even get to a construct that respects the natural law.

00:11:30.000 And now, a Republican style of government, we didn't invent that.

00:11:33.000 The Greeks tried it.

00:11:34.000 The Italian city-states tried it.

00:11:37.000 But if you read Federalist 48 and Federalist 52 and Federalist 60, they mention the Italian city-states so many times.

00:11:43.000 And what happens is they crumble once they get too big.

00:11:46.000 They crumble because of licentiousness, because of greed, because of incurring territories.

00:11:52.000 So the question of the founders, and I'll give this to you, Bob, that Hamilton, Madison, and Jay were wrestling with in the anonymously written newspaper articles in New York, written as Publius.

00:12:01.000 Can we have a big, small, our Republican style of government?

00:12:04.000 How is this possible?

00:12:06.000 It's dependent upon the...

00:12:07.000 You cannot have human liberty without having a heart that's constrained.

00:12:13.000 An uncontrolled heart leads to chaos.

00:12:15.000 And so there has to be outward control.

00:12:19.000 Everybody is disciplined, either from within or without.

00:12:22.000 And if you're undisciplined within, then you end up in jail because they force you what to do.

00:12:26.000 And what they pointed out in the founding of our nation is that we have to be constrained by what God says.

00:12:31.000 And if we do, then we'll prosper.

00:12:33.000 You mentioned about Locke and the second treaties.

00:12:36.000 Every member of the Constitutional Convention had a copy of that on their desk.

00:12:40.000 So they referred to it repeatedly.

00:12:42.000 That's why we brought it up here.

00:12:43.000 Well, and they also knew their Hobbes, too.

00:12:45.000 And so this is very important: Thomas Hobbes is with the other social contract theorists who wrote the book Leviathan.

00:12:51.000 And Fauci and many of the leaders today, they are disciples of Hobbes, which is that people are awful to each other.

00:12:58.000 They're nasty. 0.94

00:12:59.000 They're brutish. 0.96

00:13:00.000 We would agree with that observation of human nature.

00:13:02.000 But then Hobbes says, therefore, they need a strong government.

00:13:06.000 And so the founders knew that.

00:13:07.000 They said, man, that's not how God wants us to live.

00:13:10.000 He doesn't want us to live with this kind of tyrannical inexperienced church government of that sort.

00:13:17.000 Well, the Catholic Church had that hierarchical, heavy-handed, centralized government that dominated Europe and Western Europe.

00:13:17.000 Talk about that.

00:13:27.000 And so with the Reformation, that's where this idea of this exploration of civil government came about with the Geneva Bible.

00:13:33.000 And then taking a look, as Tyndale had written, that word in Matthew 16, 18 isn't church, it's ecclesia, which means assembly or public square.

00:13:42.000 And I love the study you've done on that, that it existed hundreds of years before Christ co-opted it.

00:13:47.000 And Aristotle used it, Plato used it, Socrates used it.

00:13:47.000 That's right.

00:13:50.000 And it was dealing with the citizens in that community, how they would live, and they would work for the laws in that ecclesia.

00:13:57.000 And now Jesus says the gates of hell will not prevail.

00:14:00.000 Upon this ecclesia, this public square, I will build my church.

00:14:04.000 Gates enslave. 0.98

00:14:06.000 And so they're setting people free.

00:14:08.000 And they knew that this oligarchy, it would just manifest itself whether it's a pope or a king.

00:14:14.000 It's not freedom for man.

00:14:16.000 And so that was the transition.

00:14:17.000 And that's...

00:14:19.000 But why is the public square such an important topic?

00:14:22.000 Why is it the target?

00:14:24.000 What happens in the public square?

00:14:26.000 Laws.

00:14:27.000 Laws.

00:14:27.000 Laws are passed.

00:14:28.000 Habits.

00:14:29.000 Customs.

00:14:30.000 Obedience.

00:14:30.000 Exactly.

00:14:31.000 You are either going to serve what comes out of the public square or you're going to serve whatever comes out of the public square, right?

00:14:39.000 If it's tyranny, if it's the leadership that we're seeing.

00:14:42.000 Exactly right.

00:14:43.000 If we're seeing this happen now, look, we're hailing from California.

00:14:47.000 We have seen governments say, this is the church.

00:14:51.000 They not only said this is what the police will do, and this is what the city council will do, and this is what the county is going to do, this is what the church is going to do.

00:14:59.000 And that's where, as believers, turning point faith, that's where this stops for us.

00:15:03.000 The Christian should be the best citizen, hands down, of anybody in the community.

00:15:08.000 But when an edict comes that has no regard for God, then we've got to obey God.

00:15:15.000 Charlie, I want to say thank you to Turning Point because the idea of turning point faith, when Jack and I were under the gun in California and we were facing, we call him Governor Nussalini, when we were facing him and he was coming after us and we stood our ground because he may be the governor, but he doesn't have power over God and his bride, the church.

00:15:38.000 And you stood with us and all of the resources.

00:15:41.000 But still, there weren't a lot of people out there.

00:15:44.000 And all the resources of Turning Point and all the encouragement, and especially the social media following, it put a light on it, and then they backed off.

00:15:51.000 They backed off with us, they backed off on you.

00:15:53.000 So, what I could tell you is this, and Bob, I want to get your comments on this.

00:15:56.000 When we started to really highlight Jack and Rob, what you were doing, we'd get messages from the buckle the Bible Belt in Mississippi, in Alabama, in South Carolina, in Georgia, in Texas.

00:16:06.000 I wish I had a Jack Hibbs and Rob McCoy in my local area.

00:16:10.000 And it's, whoa, all of a sudden, it's the people that are in the remnant of tyranny that are now fighting for liberty and the people that kind of have it in Alabama and Mississippi where they're a little less likely to kind of contest.

00:16:21.000 Not to say there's no good pastors in Alabama.

00:16:23.000 That's not my point.

00:16:24.000 But there definitely was, at least from the messages we got, kind of a desire for this sort of a pastor and kind of where it was a little bit more of a comfortable scenario.

00:16:35.000 Is there something said, Bob, that in a kind of weird turn of events, some of all of this tyranny, authoritarianism, the mass mandates, the vaccine mandates, is that going to, in some ways, create an equal and opposite reaction where we're going to all of a sudden see bold and courageous pastors unlike ever before?

00:16:35.000 It wasn't the case.

00:16:51.000 I certainly pray so, because I didn't think that we would be in this condition to start with.

00:16:55.000 If you would have told me two and a half years ago, if you told me that the Stalin lands in New York and gave an edict to Americans, close all your churches for the rest of the year.

00:17:04.000 If Hitler had marched down Pennsylvania Avenue and said, close all your churches, we would have stood up with, we'd never think about such a thing. 0.59

00:17:09.000 But we have these governors, these mayors, these people sitting around this governor up in Oregon says that churches can't even gather Kate Brown.

00:17:16.000 And the idea that those people, and that here's the point, though, it goes to the heart of your question.

00:17:20.000 The idea that Americans succumb to it was a real startling idea to me.

00:17:24.000 I agree.

00:17:25.000 And when I would see these young girls snap and bark at you for not having a diaper on your face, the idea that hanging toilet paper from your nose will stop a disease is so fascinating that people were so enamored by it and would succumb to it was truly startling.

00:17:40.000 So in answer to your question, I think now people are going to see the separation.

00:17:44.000 And we've seen how vulnerable we were, that we were willing to allow people just to write a piece of paper.

00:17:49.000 And the CDC in Atlanta, who elected by no one and not a person can tell me who they are, to make an order to say that you cannot charge rent in your apartment in California and Americans will succumb to it.

00:18:05.000 That's what very dangerous.

00:18:06.000 And I would just say as having served in government, that that is very frightening to me.

00:18:10.000 Because America cannot be free if Americans do not want to be free.

00:18:14.000 And what we now see the distinction, we see the difference, and people need to, from now on, no more sleeping because the barbarians are at the door and we must stand up.

00:18:25.000 It takes us to what you're doing here, Charlie. 0.95

00:18:28.000 People did the stupidest things because they were terrified because of fear. 1.00

00:18:32.000 Yes. 1.00

00:18:33.000 The faith went out the window.

00:18:35.000 The fear came in and reduced them to a nerve-ending.

00:18:40.000 So let me ask you this.

00:18:41.000 Some well-meaning Christians email me.

00:18:43.000 They say, Charlie, I know I'm not supposed to have a spirit of fear, but rationally and reasonably, I'm very afraid of getting the virus because of this reason and this reason and that reason.

00:18:53.000 How do we balance not having, because Aristotle talked about having the moderation of all things, right?

00:19:00.000 So you don't want to all of a sudden kind of drive on one hours of sleep and not wear your seat.

00:19:06.000 You don't want to be reckless, right?

00:19:08.000 How do you balance that?

00:19:08.000 No, no, no.

00:19:10.000 Yeah, first of all, this is a good warning.

00:19:13.000 How many people in 2020 and 2021 have died of heart attacks, bronchial infections, diabetes?

00:19:21.000 I've got doctors who have told me we don't know because everything has been labeled and wrapped around COVID, for example.

00:19:21.000 We don't know.

00:19:28.000 That fear factor has skewed everything.

00:19:31.000 We've had scientists tell us we won't know the data regarding the future.

00:19:35.000 It messes up everything.

00:19:37.000 But having said that, what are we afraid of?

00:19:40.000 No, I'm afraid of getting it.

00:19:42.000 Are you afraid of getting diabetes?

00:19:44.000 Do you watch what you eat?

00:19:45.000 Are you afraid?

00:19:46.000 No, no one's afraid of those things.

00:19:48.000 It has been so talked up.

00:19:49.000 And I'm not, look, it's a very, very serious illness.

00:19:54.000 But it's not the only illness that's out there.

00:19:54.000 I get it.

00:19:57.000 The point that I think has happened across this nation and around the world is people all of a sudden became very, very fearful of dying.

00:20:05.000 And my argument is this.

00:20:07.000 You're going to die sooner or later. 0.90

00:20:10.000 Do you know Jesus Christ?

00:20:12.000 This fear should be driving you to church, not away from church.

00:20:15.000 Do you think that's a love of the world, Jack?

00:20:17.000 A love of the world or for the world?

00:20:19.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

00:20:21.000 For example, Bob, in the 1960s, we had a pandemic and we handled it totally differently.

00:20:26.000 Do you think people are more attached to the world than the word?

00:20:30.000 Yes.

00:20:31.000 And that's one of the reasons we reacted the way we did.

00:20:33.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:20:35.000 And it's sad and it's sadder when it's manifested in the pulpit and in the ministry, where that's where the leadership should come from.

00:20:46.000 We should steer them through the waters of crisis.

00:20:49.000 And when pastors are silent, look, we're to lay down our lives first for the flock.

00:20:53.000 We're to give them direction.

00:20:55.000 Luther did it during the plague.

00:20:57.000 Spurgeon did it during the cholera epidemic.

00:21:00.000 They didn't shut their doors.

00:21:02.000 This is the first time we've ever quarantined the healthy people.

00:21:07.000 Can I jump on what Jack is saying about the fear?

00:21:11.000 I think we should really hit it.

00:21:12.000 365 times in the scripture, it says, fear not.

00:21:15.000 God knows that we are susceptible to fear.

00:21:19.000 The night that he was born, the angels appeared.

00:21:21.000 First words out of their mouth, fear not, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy.

00:21:24.000 When Christ is walking on the water, he says to him, fear not.

00:21:27.000 Fear hath torments.

00:21:28.000 And so therefore, he hath not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.

00:21:34.000 Those are mirror opposites of fear.

00:21:36.000 When you're fearful, you're weak.

00:21:38.000 And he's given us a spirit of power of love.

00:21:41.000 You cannot love a person you're afraid of.

00:21:44.000 Those dear folks in Kabul are not loving the Taliban.

00:21:48.000 They're afraid of them.

00:21:49.000 Love and a sound mind.

00:21:51.000 When you're afraid, you don't think straight.

00:21:53.000 So he has given us a spirit of power and of love.

00:21:56.000 That's the opposite of fear.

00:21:58.000 Fear is how, since man is susceptible to it, tyrants always use it to control.

00:22:04.000 We had dinner, Andy Andrews and I, and he was so frustrated explaining as to why he saw these Jewish fathers loading their children onto the boxcars.

00:22:12.000 He said, how in the world?

00:22:13.000 You see one little Nazi down at the end of the train station with a rifle. 0.85

00:22:16.000 They could have overrun him.

00:22:17.000 Why did they do that?

00:22:18.000 Well, what they told him was that, you know, the enemy is coming and things haven't been very good lately.

00:22:25.000 And so it's very dangerous.

00:22:27.000 And so what you need to do is to get your family together tomorrow morning.

00:22:31.000 And if everybody gets afraid, then it'll panic.

00:22:35.000 It won't be good.

00:22:36.000 So you're the father, and you have to go home and make an inventory of everything you had, all the pianos and paintings and pictures and things, but take just enough for overnight because we're going to take you to a better place.

00:22:46.000 We're going to lie to you.

00:22:47.000 And in order to save your life, we're going to make you safe.

00:22:50.000 We're going to take you to a new place where there's better jobs. 0.56

00:22:52.000 There'll be better schools.

00:22:53.000 There'll be a better place.

00:22:54.000 And then if you have the inventory, we'll go back and get the rest.

00:22:56.000 But the children are going to be afraid, and the wife is going to take the key from you. 0.97

00:23:00.000 And so you have to be solid.

00:23:01.000 And tomorrow morning at 10 o'clock at the train station, walk them on.

00:23:04.000 That's what evil has used is fear.

00:23:07.000 Americans were known to not be fearful.

00:23:09.000 They're the ones that marched into the Battle of the Bulge when everybody else has fallen away.

00:23:13.000 What the American GI marched into Normandy, etc.

00:23:17.000 This idea of us succumbing to fear will take our liberty, and we've seen it happen, and the time has come for leaders to stop it.

00:23:24.000 So now I really want to kind of get to just America in general, a non-political discussion, just what we're seeing around us and what can be done about this regime and what we're living under.

00:23:34.000 I want to pick up what you said, though.

00:23:38.000 Almost all this changed in the 1960s.

00:23:40.000 There's a phenomenal book I quote it all the time, Age of Entitlement by Christopher Caldwell.

00:23:46.000 I told you about it last week, actually.

00:23:48.000 We were having dinner together where he really pinpoints 1963, 64, 65 as when America refounded itself.

00:23:55.000 And not for the better, by the way.

00:23:57.000 Refounded itself based on prioritizing pleasure as prioritizing rebellion, prioritizing dissension, prioritizing authoritarianism.

00:24:07.000 And I think that's an important moment because we're really living in a post-1960s America where that spirit of fear was kind of rejected in the 1940s, 1950s.

00:24:18.000 And the 60s had a totally different attitude.

00:24:21.000 And I think that's important to kind of being able to tell ourselves how we navigate that.

00:24:25.000 Also, Rob, in the late 1960s, early 70s, we saw a different form of Christianity come in America.

00:24:31.000 Talk about that.

00:24:33.000 So Chuck Smith came on the scene, especially for Calvary Chapel in 68, and the idea of evangelism.

00:24:42.000 And they brought in syncopated rhythms, which probably disappointed you and Liz, but Maranatha music.

00:24:48.000 And what they did in California, interestingly enough, is Chuck taught the Bible verse by verse, chapter by chapter, book by book, but he stayed away from politics because in 68 when he started it, Martin Luther King, Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. had been shot.

00:25:04.000 Bobby Kennedy had been shot.

00:25:06.000 In 63, JFK had been shot.

00:25:08.000 Then he had the Meli Massacre, the Ted Offensive, and all these young people who had been seeking hope and change had checked out of the church and explored Eastern religions and drug use.

00:25:19.000 And they came back disillusioned because all their political heroes were dead.

00:25:24.000 That's right.

00:25:24.000 And Chuck avoided politics, but he taught the way to salvation.

00:25:30.000 And it grew 10,000% in 52 years.

00:25:35.000 That's right.

00:25:36.000 There's more Calvary Chapels south of Anne Eisen thanks to the past.

00:25:38.000 There are Dunkin' Donuts.

00:25:39.000 There's a lot of Dunkin' Donuts.

00:25:40.000 Yeah, there's a lot of Dunkin' Donuts.

00:25:41.000 And so the lion's share of those churches are in California.

00:25:45.000 10,000% growth.

00:25:46.000 Harvest Crusades, Greg Laurie.

00:25:48.000 But in 68, we had the fifth largest GDP, and it was a state of the future.

00:25:52.000 That's right.

00:25:53.000 But he avoids politics because the kids are burned out on it.

00:25:56.000 I am grateful to Chuck for my verse-by-verse, you know, systematic study of the scriptures.

00:26:02.000 I do not resent that.

00:26:04.000 I am who I am because he did what he did.

00:26:06.000 But we missed something.

00:26:08.000 Because we didn't engage in the public square, the Ecclesia Matthew 16, we avoided that.

00:26:14.000 And now California no longer has the fifth largest GDP.

00:26:17.000 We have the sixth, maybe seventh.

00:26:18.000 We have the highest gas tax, sales tax, income tax, highest debt, highest unemployment, highest poverty, highest homelessness.

00:26:24.000 And we've aborted more children than any other state in the union.

00:26:28.000 Authors of no-fault divorce, transgender bathroom bills. 0.96

00:26:32.000 And that's because the church didn't engage in the public square.

00:26:36.000 But listen, be specific, though.

00:26:38.000 For those that are watching right now, there was no instruction to, now that you're a Christian, let the light of Jesus shine out of you everywhere.

00:26:47.000 Not just at Boeing or Raytheon or at the county.

00:26:51.000 Run for school board.

00:26:52.000 Right?

00:26:52.000 Yes.

00:26:53.000 Run for city council.

00:26:55.000 And that's where we're seeing a change in California now.

00:26:59.000 But is it Proverbs 29, 2, I believe, that says that when the wicked are in authority, the people groan, but when the righteous rule, people rejoice.

00:27:08.000 And to me, that is a mandate to let your light so shine everywhere.

00:27:13.000 Now, politics is not my thing.

00:27:15.000 But if I was an engineer or if I was a school bus driver, I would be a Christian first and then a school bus driver.

00:27:23.000 And so why can't you be a mayor, right?

00:27:26.000 But a Christian first. 0.99

00:27:27.000 It's not that you're going to Christianize your city or America.

00:27:32.000 You're going to be the Christian witness.

00:27:34.000 The kingdom of God's in heaven.

00:27:35.000 We're not going to bring it down here and make it happen.

00:27:38.000 But until we do go to heaven, we need to shine that light everywhere.

00:27:44.000 Rob was going to say that.

00:27:45.000 Well, I was just going to add that with that revolution that occurred that you speak of, there was a communist invasion into the nation in the sense that they occupied the folks that were in the 60s and 70s in the war riots that ended up coming back to church.

00:28:02.000 But some of them now they become the professors and the teachers.

00:28:05.000 That's right.

00:28:06.000 And it even comes into the church.

00:28:07.000 SDS.

00:28:09.000 And there's affluence after we come back after the war and America prospers.

00:28:14.000 And then we helicopter parent these kids. 1.00

00:28:16.000 That's so true.

00:28:17.000 And then we avoid participating in their school boards and leave it up to the government.

00:28:21.000 And we put more reliance on the government.

00:28:23.000 And we just pursue all of our baubles and trinkets.

00:28:26.000 And the next thing you know, we've lost the education of an entire generation.

00:28:31.000 And the church has been influenced as well.

00:28:33.000 So well said.

00:28:34.000 One of the most misunderstood but often quoted lines is render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God the things that are God's, as though there's a separation of church and state.

00:28:48.000 When Jesus said that, give me a coin, give me a coin, and he holds up that coin and he asks the people, whose inscription's on this?

00:28:55.000 Caesar's.

00:28:56.000 Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, to God the things that are God's. 0.52

00:29:00.000 Every Jew standing in that neighborhood knew exactly what Jesus meant.

00:29:05.000 We don't get it in the West.

00:29:06.000 What did he mean?

00:29:07.000 We missed it.

00:29:08.000 It's this.

00:29:09.000 Give to Caesar the coin.

00:29:11.000 His face is on it.

00:29:12.000 Give it to him.

00:29:13.000 But render to God the things that are God's.

00:29:15.000 Every Jew would have said, brilliant.

00:29:17.000 He just said everything, including Caesar in that coin, Rome itself, Caesar's palace, Caesar's salad belongs to God.

00:29:27.000 They all knew that.

00:29:28.000 We westernized it and somehow created a separation.

00:29:31.000 Jesus said, it's all under God.

00:29:33.000 The earth is the Lord's.

00:29:35.000 So another...

00:29:36.000 Well, Rob explains that the best.

00:29:36.000 Go ahead, Baba.

00:29:39.000 It's very effective to then take that and say, I shouldn't be involved in government.

00:29:43.000 And then when pastors want to keep people, they want to protect their flock.

00:29:47.000 And they can tell when people get involved in anything else, in sports or in whatever.

00:29:52.000 And so they say, you need to stay here because this world's not our home and we're just passing through.

00:29:56.000 And they can sense when people start to get involved in politics.

00:29:59.000 You need to explain why this lighthouse for the gospel, why this nation is so abundantly blessed more than any place else in the entire planet, why it prospered and this idea of withdrawing, as in Romans, that they use a few verses.

00:30:13.000 Explain why it's wrong.

00:30:16.000 Well, Romans 13, that God appoints all positions of authority and that we're to submit to them and they're put there for our good and they're to do good.

00:30:26.000 And then as we told earlier with Jonathan Mayhew, he died in 1766, but he was the minister who exegeted Romans 13 and shared with all the soon to be founding fathers on the Eastern seaboard, First and Second Great Awakening.

00:30:41.000 And he looked at that passage and he said, yes, God appoints all positions of authority.

00:30:45.000 And yes, we're to submit to them, but they're there for our good to do good.

00:30:49.000 And if they cease to do good, they cease to be the authority.

00:30:51.000 And he coined the phrase, disobedience to tyrants is obedience to God, which John Adams said was the inspiration for the War of Independence.

00:30:59.000 And so for us, he died in 1766.

00:31:04.000 And there wasn't a constitutional republic like you were describing.

00:31:07.000 Now we are in a constitutional republic that defines in Romans 13 who the authority is.

00:31:12.000 And it's in the first three words of the preamble of the Constitution, we the people.

00:31:16.000 And anyone who governs governs by our consent, and it's power on loan from the sovereign.

00:31:23.000 And when they violate the oath of office to swear to defend a constitution that puts parameters on their ability to infringe on our inalienable rights, we must hold them accountable.

00:31:34.000 And that's what we're not instructing in the churches to do.

00:31:37.000 And that's where we must step forward.

00:31:39.000 We were very critical of the Jews that when the trains went by and you could hear the people crying out that they would stand and sing loud enough that they wouldn't hear it. 1.00

00:31:46.000 They were at least having church.

00:31:47.000 Yeah.

00:31:48.000 Can you comprehend that in America for the last year and a half, they've been willing to let some bureaucrat say that you can't have church at all.

00:31:56.000 So we thought we would never go down that road.

00:31:58.000 That's where the crisis is at this moment.

00:32:01.000 So, Jack.

00:32:03.000 How is it that the freedoms of this nation and the wealth, the prosperity, the rights that we have, predominantly now First Amendment, there's a reason why it's the First Amendment, was structured by and created by men who knew what the Bible said.

00:32:17.000 And they quoted the Bible.

00:32:19.000 For a pastor in this day and age to say, well, we don't get involved in that.

00:32:24.000 Well, do you enjoy your freedom?

00:32:26.000 Do you believe in protecting that freedom?

00:32:29.000 They start to stumble.

00:32:30.000 They don't know what to do about that.

00:32:32.000 I think that comes from not knowing the Christian foundation of this nation.

00:32:39.000 You know, in 2009, I believe Barack Obama was speaking in Cairo, Egypt, and he said that America was never a Christian nation.

00:32:47.000 Part of his apology to her.

00:32:48.000 He literally said America was never a Christian nation.

00:32:51.000 He threw the Mayflower Compact out the window.

00:32:54.000 He threw our founding documents out the window.

00:32:59.000 Most of America probably nodded their head in agreement because they had not been taught that in church or public school.

00:33:06.000 They're not being taught history.

00:33:07.000 I was taught that in public school, and it's hard to refute when you're 16 years old and someone talks from authority.

00:33:13.000 Oh, they're all a bunch of atheists and deists. 0.80

00:33:15.000 It's a total lie.

00:33:16.000 And it doesn't even get close to understanding first and foremost the philosophical and religious basis of these texts.

00:33:23.000 I mean, you just take the Declaration of Independence, which is an objectively beautiful document written by, let's just say, if you had to put one president, one founding father who was the least Christian, it would be Thomas Jefferson.

00:33:34.000 He himself read the Bible.

00:33:36.000 He said the Bible was the ultimate standard.

00:33:37.000 He put the Bible in schools.

00:33:39.000 They said, oh, he edited his own Bible.

00:33:41.000 Whatever.

00:33:41.000 Fine.

00:33:42.000 Let's say he was the least Christian, right, Jack? 1.00

00:33:45.000 Well, the least Christian founding father, he himself understood what the Bible said better than even some of the best Christians in America did. 0.79

00:33:53.000 The least.

00:33:54.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:33:54.000 I'm saying that in quotes.

00:33:55.000 Exactly.

00:33:56.000 So the least Jefferson had his slaves learn English from the Bible, which was against the Crown of England, by the way.

00:34:04.000 And that Jefferson, in the editing of the Bible, the New Testament, Jefferson says that it was a tract, a tract for somebody to get like a cleft note version of the gospel.

00:34:18.000 Well, and I mean, Thomas Jefferson, I'm a big Thomas Jefferson fan.

00:34:21.000 I think he gets totally misunderstood.

00:34:23.000 He blamed King George for bringing slaves to America in the original draft of the Declaration.

00:34:28.000 He fought for the abolition of slavery as governor of Virginia.

00:34:31.000 He signed the moratorium of new slaves coming into America.

00:34:35.000 It was one of his first acts in March of 1807.

00:34:38.000 But anyway, what I was saying about Thomas Jefferson, which even if you look at the first paragraph of the Declaration of Independence, it's an objectively beautiful paragraph because he appeals to divine eternal truths of order, laws of nature, and nature is God.

00:34:51.000 He says that all human beings are equal, as you say, Bob, equal at the cross, equal as made in the image of God.

00:34:57.000 And he also emphasizes life, liberty, the pursuit of virtue.

00:35:00.000 And it used to be property and it got changed to pursuit of happiness.

00:35:04.000 They didn't want to totally plagiarize John Locke.

00:35:06.000 But one of the most amazing things of the entire opening is that when in the course of human events, that's an eternal claim.

00:35:13.000 That means that it's anytime any people.

00:35:15.000 Anytime any people, anywhere, any place, it could be Papua New Guinea, it could be Indonesia.

00:35:20.000 This is a human claim.

00:35:21.000 The Declaration makes the argument that we are human beings.

00:35:24.000 We are the speaking beings, Aristotle said.

00:35:26.000 We are the reason beings, as it says in Isaiah 1.

00:35:30.000 Let us reason together.

00:35:31.000 Therefore, since we are the reason beings, we are the speaking beings, here's how we're supposed to be treated.

00:35:36.000 It's awesome.

00:35:36.000 And so it starts really big.

00:35:37.000 It's real narrow.

00:35:38.000 And by the way, King George, you didn't do anything.

00:35:40.000 Foreign powers to Quebec and taxes and this stuff and all that.

00:35:40.000 You did all this wrong.

00:35:44.000 Then it gets really broad, which people don't talk about at the end of the Declaration, which then they appeal to their creator.

00:35:50.000 We appeal this to God and then to our fellow man, our lives, our fortune, our sacred honor.

00:35:58.000 They're pledging it to themselves, but first they pledge it to their creator.

00:36:02.000 That's a profound moment in history.

00:36:03.000 And your question about how do you respond to that as a 16-year-old?

00:36:07.000 And I think that's important to address: that all these said, but this book says that, and this book says, it goes on and on.

00:36:12.000 The first book that said that George Washington was promiscuous was in 1924, and it was totally torn apart a year later.

00:36:22.000 But then five or six years later, people referred to it.

00:36:24.000 Then people 10 years later refer to that one.

00:36:26.000 And so now they have all of them.

00:36:27.000 That is such a lot of absorbing each other.

00:36:28.000 And that is heretical.

00:36:30.000 George Washington was like the most pious, very moral man, moral, loyally married man.

00:36:34.000 Same way with Benjamin Franklin.

00:36:36.000 You can't find anything prior to World War I. All this idea people will tell you that he had all these children.

00:36:43.000 This goes on the example.

00:36:45.000 The point is that when they did it, let's take, for example, the Thomas Jefferson Bible.

00:36:51.000 He cut out parts of it and paid to have it printed to be given to the missionaries to teach Christ to the Indians.

00:36:59.000 And he didn't want it to get caught up in all this other part.

00:37:02.000 He wanted to simplify it so they could get right to the point.

00:37:04.000 The track.

00:37:04.000 Now, you don't.

00:37:06.000 And so now the you can go to the Library of Congress and find it.

00:37:10.000 And that's exactly correct.

00:37:11.000 You can.

00:37:12.000 And you can see what he did.

00:37:13.000 He took and printed it himself because he wanted to give them the whole Bible.

00:37:16.000 They're going to give him a part to start.

00:37:17.000 And they took 180 degrees off.

00:37:20.000 Now, you have all these quote experts, these professors, these people in these colleges that preach the exact untruth, the error.

00:37:28.000 And as a 16-year-old, it's hard to respond to, but it's important to say, where do they get their facts?

00:37:33.000 And that's why the resources exist.

00:37:35.000 Jack, you are chomping at the bit to get into it.

00:37:38.000 Because I stood at the Jefferson Memorial listening to a National Park Ranger completely pitched the opposite of what you just said and made Jefferson into a monster.

00:37:50.000 And I sat there and I was with Lisa's uncle, and we just couldn't take it anymore.

00:37:50.000 Oh, man.

00:37:57.000 I thought we were going to get arrested, but we just couldn't let the lie continue.

00:38:01.000 But exactly, you just repeated.

00:38:03.000 Didn't Marx or Stalin or Hegel, somebody say it?

00:38:06.000 Just repeat it.

00:38:07.000 Yes, you repeat a lot of Stalin, you repeat a lie.

00:38:09.000 Who's the German guy? 0.81

00:38:10.000 The German with Friedrich Nietzsche, you got Heidegger, you got Marx.

00:38:15.000 Judge Goebbels.

00:38:16.000 Goebbels.

00:38:17.000 Just repeat it in us.

00:38:19.000 Joseph Goebbels, yeah.

00:38:20.000 He was the propagandist for the workers' party.

00:38:23.000 But this is important because if you don't know where you came from, then you don't know where to go.

00:38:29.000 And so this is something that conservatives, quite honestly, have not understood as well as the left.

00:38:37.000 I want to get your opinion on this, Bob, because you lived through movement conservatism in the 80s.

00:38:37.000 This is an interesting thing.

00:38:42.000 And I really want to pick your brain on this because I think this applies where the left always knew if they were able to indict our founding, then the country can unravel.

00:38:51.000 This is why everyone's so interested in ancestry.com, right?

00:38:56.000 We want to know who came before us.

00:38:58.000 There's a yearning in your soul.

00:38:59.000 The Bible speaks to this too.

00:39:01.000 I mean, Luke and Matthew, if I'm not mistaken, both open up with a genealogy of either Joseph or Mary or I think one through Joseph, one through Mary.

00:39:09.000 And the genealogy of such.

00:39:11.000 And the Bible is very clear about passing customs down from one generation to the other.

00:39:16.000 There's a yearning in your soul for that.

00:39:18.000 So then you have the 16-year-old citizen who's looking around and looking at, hope they don't even have the flag anymore in the classrooms.

00:39:24.000 They're taking that down.

00:39:25.000 But let's pretend there's a flag around.

00:39:26.000 They say, I wonder what that means to me.

00:39:28.000 And the left has always known if they can make that flag be something other than something virtuous or admirable, they've won the entire debate.

00:39:37.000 In the 1980s, Reagan was very clear about bringing back this idea of kind of the magnanimous conservative, but the unapologetically patriotic conservative.

00:39:48.000 I hate to be critical of Reagan because he was so phenomenal, but there were some things he did that were questionable with immigration and many other things.

00:39:54.000 But just broadly in the 80s, Bob, in early 90s, do you think that we didn't take the government education problem serious enough?

00:40:03.000 100%.

00:40:04.000 Why is Alzheimer's such a horrible disease?

00:40:07.000 Because a person doesn't know who they are.

00:40:10.000 They don't remember their past.

00:40:11.000 If you can't remember your past, then you don't know who you are.

00:40:14.000 Therefore, you don't know where you're going.

00:40:16.000 And if your wife is dying of cancer, you can speak to her and make pledges and hold her hand.

00:40:22.000 And if she goes into eternity, it's as sad as can be.

00:40:25.000 But when a person is there and they don't know who you are and they don't know who they are, it's a tragic, tragic.

00:40:30.000 Now, what has been a deliberate attempt to take this 4% of the population of the world, that as long as there is an American on the planet, they know that that's the place that I can go to to escape. 0.96

00:40:40.000 If a ship is attacked from the high seas, as there's an American, they'll come save me. 0.97

00:40:44.000 If somebody's cheating on a patent, I know that American will protect us.

00:40:48.000 If somebody's printing artificial money in the money supply, any place on the planet, American banking says, well, shut it down.

00:40:53.000 America is the standard for righteousness.

00:40:55.000 If we can just take away what America is, then we can give it Alzheimer's. 0.98

00:41:00.000 So how do we do that?

00:41:01.000 We have to go back and take all the people as to what they did, and we distort it.

00:41:05.000 We twist it.

00:41:05.000 We lie about it.

00:41:06.000 We make it untrue.

00:41:07.000 Is it true?

00:41:08.000 And so when you, I would encourage everyone to read David Barton's book on Thomas Jefferson.

00:41:14.000 And when it came out, all of these people attacked him.

00:41:18.000 He wasn't an historian.

00:41:19.000 And all he did was take what Jefferson said and what he did.

00:41:23.000 And they all then began quoting each other from these books in the 1950s and 60s.

00:41:26.000 But they don't do original source documents.

00:41:28.000 Not what he did.

00:41:29.000 And so in order to take down America, you must first say that those people that did these things were not trustworthy.

00:41:36.000 Then it was built on a lie.

00:41:39.000 And so they misrepresented.

00:41:40.000 That's why I was on the 1776 Commission.

00:41:42.000 Because we've got to understand America was founded on July 4th, 1776, not in 1619, 150 years before Thomas Jefferson or George Washington was even born.

00:41:51.000 But they tried to cloud the two so that America doesn't know what they were, therefore they don't know who they are.

00:41:57.000 And that's why that's the war that we're involved in right now.

00:41:59.000 So the question is, what is the most important thing that we can do?

00:42:02.000 In the 1980s, 90s, we knew that the educational system was being stolen out from under us, but we didn't want to get involved.

00:42:09.000 Why?

00:42:10.000 Why was there this unwillingness, Bob?

00:42:13.000 I'd have to think about that a bit.

00:42:15.000 Go ahead, Rob.

00:42:16.000 I was going to say that.

00:42:16.000 Prosperity.

00:42:17.000 They didn't see the fear.

00:42:18.000 It was the ego, the embedded growth obligation.

00:42:21.000 Things are just going to keep on getting better, and we don't want to upset the application.

00:42:24.000 And the country was always, America was never the premier nation on earth until 1947.

00:42:29.000 And then after that, it was in a telegram that was sent from the Prime Minister of Britain, was sent to Harry Truman on April 7th, 1947, and said, unless the United States intervened in the Cyprus crisis, that the Crown had neither the capacity nor the will to be involved.

00:42:46.000 And with that, the torch was passed to the United States of America, became the premier nation on earth.

00:42:50.000 Never in the history of man has one nation become the premier nation on earth without what it didn't seek it.

00:42:58.000 The Romans knew what they had to do.

00:42:59.000 The French knew what they had to do.

00:43:00.000 The British knew what they had to do.

00:43:01.000 The Greeks knew what they had.

00:43:02.000 Everybody sought it.

00:43:03.000 The single exception to that is the United States of America that was given world leadership, not because it sought it, but because people trusted it.

00:43:11.000 And we didn't like it.

00:43:12.000 We didn't like to pay for it.

00:43:13.000 We wish it would go away.

00:43:14.000 But we've handed it more responsibly than any place else.

00:43:18.000 Now, in the process of that, we then were in a competition for 70 years.

00:43:22.000 At the end, we could get into how it happened, but nevertheless, after World War II, we gave away for that eight-year period, gave away all of Central and Eastern Europe to the Soviet Union.

00:43:33.000 And so then we had this competition going on.

00:43:35.000 Ronald Reagan, and then by that time, when Eisenhower came in, he said, Well, we have to contain communism, stay where we are.

00:43:41.000 Reagan came in and said, We don't have to contain communism.

00:43:43.000 We can transcend communism and went after it and collapsed it.

00:43:47.000 Now, these people that are in their 20s have lived in a period unlike any time in the history of the world where there's one nation, completely unchallenged economically, military, and politically on the planet.

00:43:57.000 And so they thought this is how it is.

00:43:58.000 And so they think, I can just go ahead and we'll take socialism from Venezuela and we'll take this from there.

00:44:04.000 And they don't understand that none of those people would do anything.

00:44:07.000 If a ship is lost, if a plane is lost over the Alps this afternoon or flying over Africa tonight, they're using a global positioning system conceived, invented, and maintained by Americans. 0.88

00:44:18.000 The list goes on and on.

00:44:19.000 So, how did we get in this mess?

00:44:22.000 We took it for granted that freedom was in our DNA, that America would always be safe.

00:44:27.000 We could make any compromise that we could make, and we'll just let it go.

00:44:30.000 And we won't get, bless me, my wife, bless John, his wife, us four, no more, amen.

00:44:34.000 We're just going to focus on ourselves, and the process is about to come back and snap us.

00:44:37.000 That's why this awakening that we're enjoying at the moment is essential.

00:44:41.000 And that's why Turning Point has been so prosperous because that's what the world is looking for.

00:44:46.000 Charlie, Vishal Magnawaldi's book.

00:44:48.000 Yeah, the book that built your world.

00:44:50.000 Yeah, where he talks about this idea of thinking we're good and this Western culture that that's not in the Eastern world.

00:45:00.000 No.

00:45:01.000 Elaborate for everybody because that's the West is exceptional.

00:45:05.000 And I want to make sure people understand my words.

00:45:07.000 It's not perfect.

00:45:08.000 I mean, I've never said that, but it is the greatest experiment in human governance with plenty of other examples to compare it to, by the way.

00:45:16.000 The East does not have the same tradition or customs or ability of rights-based government that we have here. 0.74

00:45:25.000 And a great example is India.

00:45:27.000 I mean, India is beginning to break out of this, but it's going to take them another 50 to 100 years minimum. 1.00

00:45:32.000 India right now is a great example as to how almost everyone lived 200 years ago.

00:45:36.000 The caste system: who's your dad?

00:45:38.000 Who's your grandfather?

00:45:39.000 You're born into it.

00:45:40.000 And kind of religious conflict.

00:45:42.000 Are you Muslim?

00:45:43.000 If so, what sect of Hinduism?

00:45:43.000 Are you Hindu?

00:45:45.000 And so there is, when you don't have a system that is either built on objective morality, agreed-upon principles, or a transcendent order, or the protection of those rights given by God, it creates a very untrustworthy system.

00:46:00.000 So Vishal in his book, he's allowed to get away with this because he's Indian. 0.97

00:46:04.000 He tells the story how he went to Denmark before, it might have been the Netherlands before it has recently kind of become terrible.

00:46:13.000 This was written like 12 or 15 years ago.

00:46:15.000 And so he goes to this beautiful dairy farm in the Netherlands with a pastor friend of his, and they go to this farm, and there's just kind of a booth set up, and no one is there.

00:46:24.000 And it just says, you know, please serve yourself some milk, take a cookie, and leave this much money.

00:46:29.000 And Vishal is perplexed by this entire thing.

00:46:32.000 And he turns to his pastor friend.

00:46:34.000 He says, who's the attendant here?

00:46:36.000 Who's making sure that nothing is stolen?

00:46:37.000 Who's making sure the money is not taken?

00:46:39.000 And all of this.

00:46:40.000 He says, well, no, see, this community is built on trust and built on integrity.

00:46:45.000 And so this is the way our grandparents did it and their grandparents did it.

00:46:48.000 And so we just all trust each other.

00:46:49.000 We leave some money in here.

00:46:50.000 And he says, well, I'll tell you what happens if we are in India.

00:46:53.000 And the pastor interjects, like, what, everyone would steal the money and the milk?

00:46:55.000 He said, no, we'd steal the cows. 0.92

00:46:56.000 Yeah.

00:46:59.000 And the point is that in the East, it's, what's the result of that? 0.90

00:47:04.000 Things get more expensive because you've got to hire somebody to protect the cows.

00:47:08.000 Got to hire someone to count the money.

00:47:09.000 Got to hire someone to make sure the milk's not stolen.

00:47:11.000 Got to hire someone to make sure that the barn's not stolen.

00:47:13.000 All of a sudden, it becomes less accessible for middle-class workers to be able to go out to the farmland to be able to get a nice glass of milk and enjoy that kind of that.

00:47:21.000 And then the owner is always worrying about insurance and this.

00:47:24.000 It deteriorates into a more...

00:47:26.000 So the question is, why does authoritarianism creep in?

00:47:29.000 Because of moral decline.

00:47:31.000 Yeah.

00:47:31.000 We had on the wall, thou shalt not steal, shalt not lie, thou shalt not covet.

00:47:35.000 It was an essential ingredient.

00:47:37.000 And so in America, we never coveted what people had.

00:47:40.000 When we traveled around, my wife is an engaging sort, and people wanted to come up and say, you know, I've been to America.

00:47:44.000 I've been to American.

00:47:45.000 And she would say, well, what surprised you the most about America?

00:47:48.000 And thinking, you know, they said, you don't have walls around your property.

00:47:53.000 You don't know where your yard stops and where your neighbors begin.

00:47:55.000 That's right.

00:47:56.000 Why?

00:47:56.000 Because we didn't covet.

00:47:58.000 All the rest of the world has walls.

00:48:00.000 You go to Mexico, they have class on top of the walls.

00:48:02.000 Why?

00:48:02.000 Because people want.

00:48:03.000 I mentioned I grew up in Appalachia.

00:48:05.000 There were three black Cadillacs in my town when I grew up, and they all three belonged to the funeral home.

00:48:10.000 And when they were sitting out there, I would go sit under a tree and I would look, someday, I'm going to have one of those.

00:48:15.000 It never crossed my mind to go take it.

00:48:18.000 But in America, we see a nice house.

00:48:20.000 We someday we want to have one like that.

00:48:22.000 Now, as you see that as America takes thou shalt not covet off the wall of the schools, then you begin to have to, literally, in nice, beautiful neighborhoods in Texas and elsewhere, they're now having to put up walls around property based upon the abandonment of the essential ingredient that without self-discipline, there cannot be self-government.

00:48:41.000 That is so good.

00:48:42.000 And every single indication of what made America different is now going away.

00:48:47.000 For example, armed security used to be something that only had to do in the third world in Brazil, Nicaragua, Honduras.

00:48:52.000 It is increasing like you wouldn't believe in America.

00:48:54.000 Clothing one's face to make you unfamiliar with one another.

00:48:57.000 We do it all the time now, right?

00:48:59.000 How you educate your children.

00:49:00.000 The idea of private schools, you know, being the end-all-be-all in America, I'll tell you what, all of a sudden the government-run schools are so bad that it's a caste system.

00:49:09.000 You go to the government-run schools in L.A., you are done.

00:49:11.000 That's how Mexico works, that's how India works, that's how Laos works, that's how Thailand works, where the upper-middle-class kids, they go to a special school, the other kids go to another school.

00:49:20.000 I could go through the list.

00:49:21.000 And the other one that you mentioned is really important, which is gated communities.

00:49:24.000 The idea of even locking your doors in 1950s America is like the locksmith was an industry that didn't exist.

00:49:29.000 They worked for certain banks if that.

00:49:31.000 That's not to say there wasn't licentiousness or covenantness before that, but it's become a cottage industry.

00:49:36.000 Jack.

00:49:36.000 No, absolutely right.

00:49:38.000 And it's interesting what you just said because Larry Elder gives the breakdown of Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, these cities to where the public school teachers and administrators gives you the percentages of how many of those people send their kids to private schools.

00:50:00.000 Yes.

00:50:00.000 And it's huge numbers.

00:50:01.000 Well, and that really is, if you want to look at a deeper analysis outside of one side is better than the other, it really is the ruling class versus the ruled.

00:50:10.000 That is the divide that happened post-1960s, is that the people in charge were able to use whatever economic prosperity we had to create carve-outs.

00:50:20.000 Another example: the Biden regime says you must get vaccinated against your will.

00:50:25.000 We've stood against that at Turning Point USA the best we can, but it's not mandatory in the Biden White House.

00:50:30.000 If you work in the Biden White House, you get an exemption letter.

00:50:30.000 That's correct.

00:50:32.000 In the Marines, you get no such exemption, Rob.

00:50:35.000 Well, when Bob talked about this idea of Alzheimer's.

00:50:40.000 I thought that was a brilliant analysis.

00:50:42.000 My dad had it for 15 years.

00:50:43.000 He didn't know who I was.

00:50:44.000 It broke my heart.

00:50:45.000 We as Americans have forgotten who we are.

00:50:47.000 And the Lord would always say, remember, remember, remember over and over.

00:50:50.000 And that's so good.

00:50:51.000 And that gift of freedom must be instructed.

00:50:54.000 And that's why the longest running family meal in world history is the Seder, the Passover, because they remembered they were in bondage and God set you free.

00:51:03.000 Remember who you are.

00:51:04.000 You're free.

00:51:06.000 And what's happened is we no longer educate our children on that.

00:51:11.000 And they no longer remember who they are.

00:51:14.000 They no longer remember who God is because we don't instruct them.

00:51:17.000 And now they're susceptible for lies.

00:51:19.000 So where it once said, thou shalt not covet, we can bring forward in our classroom a form of government that's been responsible for a billion people being murdered on the planet.

00:51:30.000 Plus famine, starvation, and ability.

00:51:33.000 We can bring that into a classroom and sell them on it.

00:51:37.000 And they go, I've heard of communism.

00:51:38.000 I've heard, well, this isn't socialism.

00:51:40.000 This is Democrat socialism. 0.74

00:51:42.000 And basically, you have a turd, and now you put sprinkles on it. 0.58

00:51:45.000 That's Democrat socialism. 0.82

00:51:46.000 The turd is socialism.

00:51:48.000 And then you put sprinkles on it.

00:51:49.000 And the kids are like, oh, let's eat that.

00:51:51.000 And why?

00:51:52.000 Because they've forgotten.

00:51:54.000 We have not educated.

00:51:55.000 We've separated them from who they are.

00:51:57.000 And the scripture allows us to remember who we are.

00:52:00.000 We're more than conquerors.

00:52:01.000 We're free.

00:52:01.000 I've come to set the captives free.

00:52:03.000 That's the beauty of it all.

00:52:04.000 So in closing, we really want to get churches and pastors signed up.

00:52:09.000 So if you listen to this conversation and you say, hey, Charlie, I'm sold.

00:52:13.000 What is turning point faith?

00:52:14.000 We have field reps across the country to help churches and pastors.

00:52:18.000 We're not asking for anything.

00:52:19.000 We want to have more Jack Hibs.

00:52:20.000 We want to have more Rob McCoy's.

00:52:22.000 We want to have more Pastor Juergens.

00:52:24.000 We want to have more Greg Denhams.

00:52:25.000 We want to have more James Cadizes.

00:52:26.000 We want to have more Pastor Cody's where people are speaking out and proclaiming the truth.

00:52:30.000 We want to help make that possible.

00:52:31.000 So you guys could do that at tpusa.com/slash faith.

00:52:34.000 There are boatloads of resources for you.

00:52:36.000 For example, we're doing webinars where we are going to offer pastors the best ways to counsel them through mandatory vaccinations, the best way to be able to write exemption letters, the best way to be able to fight local government.

00:52:48.000 So we want to help instruct where we can and educate pastors the best practices that you two have been able to develop.

00:52:55.000 And more than that, we want churches to commit to at least one or two a year at the very minimum.

00:53:02.000 But beyond that, hopefully one a month, where you are bringing a conversation what's happening outside of the church doors in real events.

00:53:09.000 And what does the Bible tell about that?

00:53:10.000 Let's go around the horn. 0.95

00:53:12.000 Rob, you've done this at your church for a while.

00:53:14.000 Talk about, because I want to get like super just, you know, empirical here.

00:53:19.000 Has your church been blessed objectively, empirically, since you started to stand for it?

00:53:25.000 You've always stand for righteousness, but when it got tough.

00:53:28.000 Yeah, the minute I got political, they said your church will decline in attendance, your giving will drop.

00:53:34.000 And there was just a brief moment where some folks said, I don't do politics, they left.

00:53:39.000 But the exact opposite happened.

00:53:40.000 The church exploded and we grew.

00:53:43.000 And then in addition, what's really cool is when we were faced with the lockdowns, the church responded and they were fearless.

00:53:53.000 And I would add this, Charlie.

00:53:55.000 When it happened in California, Jack and I were looking around going, who else is with us?

00:53:59.000 We found a handful.

00:54:00.000 But what was such a blessing is when Charlie would travel the country, I started to realize, kind of like the prophet, that there's a thousand people, there's many that haven't bowed their knee to bail.

00:54:09.000 And they're out there.

00:54:11.000 And so with Turning Point Faith, we need the folks.

00:54:12.000 We also want to connect them too, right?

00:54:14.000 We want to get pastors talking to pastors.

00:54:17.000 Join us and sign up with us.

00:54:19.000 We want to help you.

00:54:20.000 And that will be that which is seen and unseen.

00:54:21.000 Part of this is just putting pastors in a room that never knew each other.

00:54:24.000 We're going to do it.

00:54:25.000 And whatever happens from that point forward will be magical.

00:54:27.000 Jack, talk about at your church.

00:54:30.000 I mean, when I go there, I mean, it's got to be one of the largest weekly gatherings in California.

00:54:35.000 It's huge.

00:54:36.000 I mean, you're rivaling some of the biggest chapters.

00:54:38.000 It's the freest place in California.

00:54:40.000 For a period of time, we were the largest under roof gathering in America.

00:54:45.000 During the shutdown.

00:54:46.000 But, Charlie, I think the most important thing that needs to be said to a pastor why they should be engaged in turning point faith is for this reason.

00:54:56.000 I want them to be thinking that there are people within their church who are just looking for the thumbs up from their pastor the permission to get involved in the school board to craft the sex education that's going to be going on in their in their local school.

00:55:15.000 There's congregants who just want their pastor to say, if God, God may be calling you to run for mayor, they're sitting there in those congregations.

00:55:24.000 Pastors need to understand that that congregate, and we're not asking the pastor to run for mayor, the congregant may want to run for city council.

00:55:34.000 We have seen that, Charlie, we haven't changed anything for 30 years.

00:55:38.000 We know who our mayors are.

00:55:40.000 We know who our police officers are.

00:55:42.000 We know the point is this, that if we adopt our culture in every way, shape, and form, in the vicinity, as it were, of our zip code, and do Jesus.

00:55:53.000 Share Jesus, the love of God tangibly, not just preaching, but equipping them to go out and do it on Monday morning.

00:56:00.000 That has transformed our communities so much so that we become the target of anti-faith organizations.

00:56:08.000 That's an honor.

00:56:10.000 Well, Jesus said, and think about it, Jesus was the most loving and the most hated.

00:56:15.000 That's right.

00:56:16.000 If we're going to follow him, we're going to be the most loving and the most hated.

00:56:20.000 I love it.

00:56:20.000 Considered joy.

00:56:22.000 Bob.

00:56:23.000 America, I would say to pastors and those that are involved in politics, the United States is a standard for righteousness in the world.

00:56:30.000 Every time somebody wants to do something screwball in some parliament in Africa or Australia or whatever, they say, well, in America, they're doing it.

00:56:37.000 And when they see them put the Chinese Black Lives Matter flag over the embassy, in America, people have no idea that people look to America as the standard.

00:56:45.000 When a church is being overrun in Nigeria, they look to Americans to protect them.

00:56:51.000 And as I said, if you take all the money that goes for global evangelism from the entire planet, 85 cents out of every dollar came from this 4% of the population of the world called Americans.

00:57:00.000 We are the lighthouse for the gospel.

00:57:02.000 Now, you think Satan takes note of that?

00:57:04.000 Of course they do.

00:57:05.000 And so therefore, we're involved in this spiritual battle.

00:57:08.000 Now, what would be effective is if we could take the Bible believers that have God's wisdom and ask them to please sit over here and allow Satan to come in and steal this great place. 0.98

00:57:19.000 And how do we do it?

00:57:20.000 Half of all those people that are self-identified evangelicals, half of them are not registered to vote.

00:57:26.000 Of those that are registered to vote, half of them do not vote.

00:57:29.000 So therefore, I believe that if a person is in a position of church leadership, a pastor or anyone else, is going to stand before God and say, what did you do in a time of crisis?

00:57:39.000 I buried my talent.

00:57:41.000 And Christ told that story.

00:57:43.000 That wasn't anybody else.

00:57:44.000 He was a little fired up about what happened to the person that buried his talent.

00:57:47.000 If you stand before God and say that you were in a position of responsibility at a time of great crisis in our nation, there'll be a penalty for it.

00:57:55.000 The final observation is that it doesn't take much.

00:57:59.000 The person who said that girls, a boy should be allowed to shower at a girls' bathroom in the Fort Worth School District got 1,100 votes.

00:58:08.000 There is a church just a few blocks away has 35,000 members, one church in this hundreds of thousands district.

00:58:14.000 So how did this happen to America?

00:58:17.000 Because we had our eyes on ourselves and not on America, and I believe we will be held account.

00:58:22.000 So this is essential.

00:58:23.000 Any closing thoughts, guys, super quick?

00:58:25.000 Bob's right.

00:58:27.000 Amen.

00:58:27.000 Seriously, that's it.

00:58:29.000 I just want to encourage everyone, tpusa.com slash faith.

00:58:32.000 All three of these amazing men are part of our leadership team and part of what we are doing here and kind of our advisors and people we're leaning upon.

00:58:40.000 And so I want to just encourage everyone watching or listening, take that step of faith.

00:58:44.000 Have a conversation with your pastor about this.

00:58:47.000 So if you're just going to a church, you're like, man, I feel the spirit of the Lord moving.

00:58:51.000 Go to your pastor and maybe send them this link.

00:58:53.000 Send them this link and have him just say, hey, what's your thoughts on this?

00:58:56.000 And if they have questions, you can go from there.

00:58:59.000 Maybe you are on the elder board or you are a pastor because we have a lot of those.

00:59:02.000 We want to help you.

00:59:03.000 And then maybe the third is that you're a student and you're like, man, I don't understand where I fit in this.

00:59:08.000 Reach out to us.

00:59:09.000 We'd love to connect you to some of the good churches across the country too.

00:59:12.000 If you have felt like, man, I have tried my best to try to find a good church and all this, we will connect you.

00:59:18.000 Maybe you're in Bangor, Maine.

00:59:19.000 We got a church there.

00:59:20.000 Maybe you're in Kansas City.

00:59:22.000 We have a church there.

00:59:23.000 Maybe you're in Denver.

00:59:24.000 We have a church there.

00:59:25.000 Maybe you're in Albuquerque, Pastor Steve Smotherman.

00:59:27.000 The point is, don't stay in a church where you don't feel like you're being fed.

00:59:31.000 We also want to be kind of the yellow pages of good churches.

00:59:35.000 Let us know.

00:59:35.000 Which we will list the good ones.

00:59:37.000 We won't list the bad ones.

00:59:38.000 We'll let them figure themselves out.

00:59:39.000 So we want to do that.

00:59:40.000 God bless you guys.

00:59:41.000 tpusa.com slash faith.

00:59:43.000 Thank you, Bob, Jack, and Rob.

00:59:44.000 God bless you guys.

00:59:47.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:59:49.000 Email us your questions, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:59:52.000 And if you want to support our program, you can do so at charliekirk.com slash support.

00:59:57.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:59:58.000 God bless you guys.

00:59:59.000 Speak to you soon.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - September 05, 2021

A Coalition of Faith and Liberty with Jack Hibbs, Bob McEwen, and Rob McCoy

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