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00:01:33.000This is going to be a comprehensive immigration hour.
00:01:35.000We're going to talk about Uvalde a little bit as there are more and more news reports that come out about that.
00:01:41.000But we have to talk about immigration.
00:01:42.000It's one of the top issues in America, if not the most important issue in America.
00:01:46.000And so we have the great Andy Biggs and then Stephen Miller this hour to talk about Title 42 and the immigration issue and illegals in our country and so much more.
00:01:56.000So with us right now is Andy Biggs live from the southern border to give us an update of what's happening with the continued invasion of America.
00:02:06.000Representative Biggs, welcome back to the program.
00:03:05.000Most of these people are going to be released into the United States.
00:03:08.000And I will say, the hardworking men and women of CBP, while we were here this morning, turned away a group of about 20 Venezuelans just about a quarter mile to my right.
00:03:24.000And so, you know, Andy, when I went down to Yuma recently, what I learned is that Border Patrol has become kind of a glorified amnesty paperwork processing organization.
00:03:34.000This is not a slight towards them, but these are the orders that they are getting.
00:03:39.000Can you talk about how there are the gotaways, which are the really bad ones that try not to get caught?
00:03:45.000But there's a new wrinkle where some of these individuals, these illegals, they're okay with getting caught by Border Patrol.
00:03:52.000They don't mind because then they get in the system and eventually get released into the interior of the United States.
00:04:01.000So what's happening is the leadership of this country, Joe Biden, Secretary Mayorkas, they basically have undermined a lot of the policies that we had under Trump that were keeping people out.
00:04:13.000So what's happening is last month he had 235,000 encounters, which means that somebody was surrendered or we arrested them.
00:04:22.000Then you probably had at least 100,000 or more illegals that were known gotaways.
00:04:36.000They're wearing carpet boots because they don't want to be detected and they don't want the agents to be able to tell how many people are in the group.
00:04:43.000These are the ones that are trafficking drugs.
00:04:48.000We were talking to a very knowledgeable insider yesterday afternoon.
00:04:54.000And basically what they were telling us is the moms are renting out their kids on a regular basis to create these appearance of a family unit.
00:05:03.000And our poor border patrol agents who are overwhelmed, their leadership basically does nothing to assist them.
00:05:10.000So for instance, in Yuma, you're pulling people off the line, agents off the line who would be patrolling the border.
00:05:59.000So can you talk about the cartel's role in this?
00:06:02.000So the cartel, they prey on these poor people in Nicaragua and in Honduras, and they take all their money and they traffic them right up to the border.
00:06:12.000And they make money on the human smuggling part of it.
00:06:15.000And sometimes they'll have them bring drugs across.
00:06:18.000Can you talk about how sophisticated this is, though?
00:06:20.000Because the impression a lot of Americans have is that these are just people in mountain and village towns and they kind of build themselves up by the bootstraps to go to a better life.
00:06:55.000Because they don't want the disruption.
00:06:57.000But in other places, whether it's Yuma or Tucson or Rio Grande Valley, they're controlling everybody.
00:07:03.000So let's say you go to Del Rio, they're going to let a bunch of people come through, and then they're going to send in, that will cause an up distraction, and there'll be hundreds of miles without any patrols.
00:08:31.000Like we've had kids from Chandler go on down to, that's Chandler, Arizona.
00:08:36.000They'll go on down towards the border.
00:08:38.000They'll pick up a carload of people and they'll make $3,000, $4,000, $5,000 by bringing them back to the Valley of the Sun, the Phoenix Petro area.
00:08:45.000And that's how sophisticated they've become.
00:10:00.000When we take back the House of Representatives, he better be the chairman of some very important committee because something on immigration or Homeland Security would be terrific.
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00:11:16.000And with us right now is the premier immigration expert on the planet.
00:11:20.000He knows more about this topic than anybody else.
00:11:22.000And he was the architect in the White House around some of the most creative solutions that secured our country when we had President Donald Trump in office.
00:11:39.000I want to start more broadly, and then we'll get specific.
00:11:42.000Can you walk through how we should think about illegal and legal immigration?
00:11:48.000Immigration should always serve the homeland.
00:11:51.000Immigration can be an asset, but at times immigration can also become a liability if it's not managed correctly and it's not done prudently.
00:12:00.000Can you talk about historically how America has had fluctuations in legal immigration, about how illegal immigration is somewhat of a new phenomenon in the last 30 or 40 or 50 years, and how should we view immigration as American patriots?
00:12:14.000Yes, those are all excellent questions to frame up the topic.
00:12:20.000The foundational principle of immigration policy is that any and every decision you make must serve the interests of the citizens who are already living here.
00:12:29.000That is the prism through which all immigration actions should be evaluated and judged, whether it be permanent immigration, temporary immigration, or illegal immigration.
00:12:42.000And so one of the things that we've lost in this conversation in recent years, maybe recent decades, is the idea that restrictions on immigration are a positive thing for the people who are already living here.
00:12:59.000It doesn't matter whether you're talking about restrictions on guest workers, restrictions on green cards, restrictions, obviously on the entry of illegal immigrants, which should of course be zero being illegal.
00:13:10.000And the reason for that should be pretty obvious to anybody who thinks about it, but of course we have a conversation that's been severely stifled by a combination of corporate interests, political interests, financial interests.
00:13:24.000So take the example of a public school in a small community that is underfunded and under-resourced.
00:13:32.000And let's say that the student body has a lot of first-generation Americans.
00:13:36.000So they're trying to climb into the middle class, get a great education, live the American dream.
00:13:42.000And our job as citizens, as fellow citizens, as policymakers is to help them accomplish that goal.
00:13:49.000If we have an immigration policy that doubles the size of that classroom overnight, and so that you go from a situation where you have one teacher for 20 students to one teacher for 40 students, that works against the interests of every single student in that classroom, including probably especially the students who are the most recent arrivals into the country.
00:14:10.000And so it is, in fact, pro-immigrant to control the flow of future immigration.
00:14:17.000To use the perhaps overly simplistic analogy, think of a restaurant.
00:14:21.000If you've been waiting online to get into a restaurant and you booked your reservation long in advance and it's a very popular, if not the most popular restaurant in your community, and it has space to see, say, 50 tables, and you get your table and you're there,
00:14:37.000even though maybe this is your first time at that restaurant, you have the exact same interests as even the most regular customers at that restaurant to make sure that the manager doesn't come in and put 40 more tables in the restaurant and you're elbow to elbow with everybody and it takes you four hours to get your meal and there's terrible customer service.
00:14:56.000And that's what we're doing with our immigration policy is we're straining our public services, we're straining our social services, our health care services, our police departments, and all of it is making life a lot more difficult for everybody who's living here.
00:15:11.000But very importantly, it really disproportionately impacts the members of the existing national community who are the most recent entrants.
00:15:21.000And so it is very harmful to both first-generation immigrants as well as the Hispanic American community in general, as well as the African American community, to have large-scale, unimpeded immigration.
00:15:35.000So that's, I think, the first and most important principle to think about.
00:15:41.000This is another important point because history is used as a way to frame people's moral thinking about an issue.
00:15:50.000Because if something has always been done historically by people you look up to and people you admire, or symbols that you admire, then it allows people to argue that there's something wrong or improper about deviating from that.
00:16:04.000So lying about the history of immigration in this country is a very effective propaganda tool.
00:16:10.000It's the reason why, if you may remember, I got into a pretty intense debate with Jim Acosta about the Statue of Liberty, because the whole history of that statue has been rewritten and used as a tool for open borders when in fact the statue was a gift that was meant to be a symbol of American liberty enlightening the world, but had nothing at all to do with immigration.
00:16:32.000So the history of immigration to America is one of ebbs and flows.
00:16:36.000There's been periods of very large-scale immigration.
00:16:39.000There's been periods of very little to net negative immigration.
00:16:43.000So if you look at the history of the 20th century as an example, very large-scale immigration at the beginning of the 20th century.
00:16:51.000And then during the middle part of the 20th century, the foreign grown population actually declined precipitously.
00:16:58.000And it was during this period, particularly after World War II, when we saw the cohesion of the great American middle class and distinctions of where your family came from or what your background is became a distant second to the fact that we're all citizens and we're all in this together and we all have the shared same shared interests.
00:17:24.000Then starting after the immigration rewrite that was pioneered by Ted Kennedy, though by no means was he's the only one involved in this, starting around in 1970 when that law really kicked in, began the largest period of mass immigration in American history, which has continued to the present day.
00:17:47.000President Trump, of course, did an enormous amount to restrict excessive immigration flows, but many in Congress, including a number of Republicans, opposed the legislative reform that he put forward to end chain migration, which is the primary, not the only, but the primary driver of the kinds of large-scale immigration we're talking about.
00:18:11.000Then you add on top of that, the, yes, and you're right, the more recent phenomenon of mass illegal immigration, all on top of, and in addition to, both chain migration flows and corporate immigration flows.
00:18:26.000And while that became an issue, certainly as we know during, for example, the Eisenhower administration, illegal immigration in the scope and numbers that we're talking about, I would probably say is a phenomenon that really began in earnest in really large numbers in the Reagan administration.
00:18:45.000He, of course, provided an amnesty that led to even greater flows in the 90s.
00:18:50.000Then during the Bush administration, things really got out of control.
00:18:54.000The illegal immigrant population doubled.
00:18:56.000And then Obama largely gutted all ICE enforcement.
00:19:01.000And so by the time President Trump came into office, we had no guardrails on the system whatsoever.
00:19:07.000So let me ask you, Stephen, how many people do we have coming into our country every single year?
00:19:13.000New green cards given, legal immigrants, legal immigration and illegal.
00:19:17.000What is the number that we're experiencing every single year?
00:19:21.000You know, it's really hard to know right now with respect to the illegal side because all we know are what Border Patrol reports as apprehensions and anybody's guess how many unrecorded entries there are.
00:19:34.000You know, we know about what's known as the gotaways, but it's very important that the statistics you hear on gotaways, so you'll see numbers reported about like 2,000 a day, for example, are described as known gotaways.
00:19:49.000These are people that are seen or whose crossing can be deduced using sensor technology or tracking technology or cut fence lines, footprints, et cetera.
00:20:03.000So nobody really knows how large that number is, but it's obviously in the millions.
00:20:08.000And then the legal immigration historically has hovered a little bit over a million every year.
00:20:17.000But Biden demolished all of the controls President Trump placed onto government-directed immigration.
00:20:25.000By government-directed, I mean green cards, guest workers, student visas, refugees, etc.
00:20:32.000So those are all the programs that the government sponsors to bring people into the country, as opposed to illegal immigration, which is sponsored by coyotes and cartels.
00:20:41.000Now, what's different is that this government is also sponsoring illegal immigration, so that's new.
00:20:47.000So it's a massive amount of people, and the legal immigration is where people get a little uneasy because it's kind of built into us that we must have unlimited legal immigration.
00:21:30.000Well, just very briefly, assimilation is an act of patriotic affection for new arrivals.
00:21:36.000It is the most positive thing you can possibly imagine.
00:21:39.000It's saying that you're an adopted citizen.
00:21:42.000You're a new member of our family that we've chosen to admit, and we love you so much that we are going to teach you about our history and our values so they become your history and your values.
00:21:52.000And the ability to assimilate is tied directly to the amount of people you bring in.
00:21:57.000So it is good for the immigrant who is arriving to be arriving in a group that is small enough that we can help them all to learn the skills and to learn the cultural values and to learn the social values that are going to help them thrive in this country.
00:22:28.000He says, you know, if I'm walking down the street and I don't think, you know, a majority of the people that I encounter know what Iwo Jima is or know who Thomas Jefferson was, you don't have the same story.
00:22:40.000You become more like a colony and less like a country.
00:22:44.000Stephen, can you talk about how globalist forces want to use immigration as a way to deteriorate national sovereignty and with it, break the backbone of our republic and the nation state in general?
00:22:55.000Yes, well, the eradication of sovereignty is the principal goal of today's global elite who also happen to be the people running the White House and the current administration.
00:23:09.000Because it's about a power struggle between the citizenry and people who are rich enough or powerful enough or wealthy enough to be able to rule from a great distance.
00:23:23.000And so in other words, if the UN is making decisions or if a multilateral group of nations is making decisions, then you as a citizen are not exercising any control and you have no one you can vote out of office and nobody that you can hold accountable.
00:23:40.000And so it's about that struggle between a self-governing Republic of citizens or an authoritarian globalist elitism.
00:23:48.000And if we eliminate America's borders and We establish the idea that you as a citizen have no right to govern your own territory, then we've crossed a threshold in which we've ceased to be a Republican government, small R Republican government.
00:24:06.000And instead, we've become a kind of satellite state of this global elite ruling class.
00:24:13.000And so one of the things that I think is important to understand is that nothing that you're seeing here is a crisis of neglect or inattention.
00:24:24.000And I'm often stunned when I hear any conservative or any Republican say something like, oh, Joe Biden is continuing to ignore the border crisis.
00:25:23.000Walk our audience through that, considering what the amendments would be if passed.
00:25:27.000Just walk us through a little bit of that.
00:25:29.000I mean, the very short version is that we would put the WHO in the position of declaring when there is a pandemic state of emergency in the states that sign on to this amendment.
00:25:41.000And then they would be responsible for organizing and directing that response.
00:25:45.000In practice, the way this would work is the WHO would say, okay, there's a monkeypox pandemic.
00:25:53.000And then our health agencies who have helped push and create this agreement would then take their direction, not from our government or our citizens, but from the WHO in terms of tracking, surveillance, monitoring, mandates, lockdowns, restrictions, et cetera.
00:26:09.000That's obviously unconstitutional in more ways than we have time to get into here.
00:26:13.000I mean, one of the clearest violations, of course, is violating the treaty clause.
00:26:17.000It's never gone to the United States Senate for ratification.
00:26:20.000And so if they cross that threshold, if they get to the point where they are putting the agreement into force and effect, so there's a litigatable event, then we will go to court and we will fight them.
00:26:36.000And we are in the process now of, as I mentioned, enrolling state attorneys general to be ready to join us in that fight since they oftentimes have some of the best vehicles as well for fighting these lawsuits or fighting these actions with lawsuits in court.
00:26:50.000And they have lots of lawyers and they're funded by taxpayers.