The Charlie Kirk Show - A Country ‘Lost in Trans Nation’ with Dr. Miriam Grossman and Dan Steiner

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, one of the most powerful conversations that I have had in quite some time with Dr. Miriam Grossman.

00:00:07.000 She has a new book called Lost in Transnation, and she had me capture my goodness, incredibly fixated and captivated.

00:00:16.000 It's the word I was looking for.

00:00:17.000 You're going to love this conversation.

00:00:19.000 We also have Dan Steiner from prebornpreborn.org.

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00:00:39.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:20.000 Thrilled to have with us right now Dan Steiner, who is the founder and president of Pre-Born.

00:01:26.000 I love Pre-Born.

00:01:27.000 They're one of our best partners, and I'm a donor to Pre-Born, and you should be as well.

00:01:31.000 He has changed the pro-life world significantly.

00:01:35.000 So much to talk about here.

00:01:36.000 Known for speaking God's truth boldly.

00:01:39.000 You have appeared on our program many times.

00:01:40.000 Honored to have you on our program.

00:01:41.000 Dan, how are you doing?

00:01:42.000 Welcome.

00:01:43.000 Blessed by the Lord.

00:01:44.000 Glad to be on, Charlie.

00:01:46.000 So, Dan, tell us, how are things going at preborn.org, especially since the reversal of Roe versus Wade, the one-year anniversary.

00:01:56.000 Yeah, this is amazing, Charlie.

00:01:57.000 And it really vectors right into what you do every day on a daily basis, and that is schism of America.

00:02:04.000 Now our country, after 24th June of 2022, where Roe v. Wade was overturned, polarized dramatically.

00:02:11.000 And what we've got here is a almost civil war-like profile of America, where you have sanctuary space that are vehemently ensconcing abortion as a constitutional right in their state.

00:02:25.000 And then you have states like Texas and Mississippi, Tennessee that are outlawing abortion.

00:02:31.000 And never the twain shall meet.

00:02:33.000 And so it's a pretty pre-Civil War kind of a complexion of our nation.

00:02:38.000 We are at war.

00:02:39.000 And that's what you talk about.

00:02:41.000 It manifests no more clearly than in the abortion space, which you help us with, and on the political landscape.

00:02:48.000 And so while we applaud the overturning of Roe versus Wade, which we really believe will result in probably 150,000 less abortions this year, it's become more fragmented, more fragmented as a nation, more divided.

00:03:04.000 And it's much more difficult to save babies now than it ever has been because of sanctuary space and chemical abortion.

00:03:13.000 So it's very challenging, but because of organizations like yours, we have seen real progress.

00:03:22.000 Last year, over 54,000 babies saved.

00:03:26.000 Every one of them, Charlie, every one of them wanting to abort.

00:03:30.000 Their mothers are wanting to abort these children.

00:03:32.000 And we, with compassionate, Christ-centered care, we're able to help them.

00:03:37.000 So really appreciate the help from the audience of the Charlotte and Kirk Show and CSA.

00:03:44.000 Great.

00:03:44.000 You guys can check it out at preborn.org.

00:03:46.000 So walk us through the technical aspects of what you do and how you do it.

00:03:51.000 54,000 babies saved is amazing.

00:03:54.000 Walk us through how you're able to do that.

00:03:56.000 Yeah, well, all credit goes to our chief executive officer, Jesus Christ.

00:04:00.000 But behind that is a couple of things.

00:04:03.000 First, we've built a coalition centers in the highest abortion sanctuary states where women would go for abortions: New York, Los Angeles, Miami, the DMV area, the DFW area, Houston, and Chicago.

00:04:17.000 So we have all of our clinics there.

00:04:19.000 These are medical clinics.

00:04:20.000 And we have a very sophisticated sex stack that competes directly with the abortion industry on an hour-by-hour basis, helping these women finding native digitals, their Gen Zs and Gen X some all of which live their lives digitally on the internet, and that's where they find their abortion. 0.62

00:04:43.000 We are moment by moment trying to reach them before the abortionist does get them to call our call center and then route them to the one nearest them that can provide services that they need.

00:04:55.000 And so it's a very technological battle now, a digital battle now.

00:05:01.000 But if we can reach them or the abortionist does, get them into one of our clinics and they can see an ultrasound of the baby.

00:05:07.000 It's a game change.

00:05:08.000 It literally doubles the likelihood that they will choose life.

00:05:12.000 They can meet their baby for the first time on the internet or on the ultrasound screen.

00:05:19.000 So that's kind of the background of what we're doing.

00:05:22.000 It's just amazing to me.

00:05:23.000 For years, the left, and I hate to politicize it, but they were always big into transparency of how many calories are in your burrito.

00:05:31.000 What are the ingredients in your salad dressing?

00:05:34.000 Yet we've not been able to get traction in any blue states to at least say, hey, how about you must show an ultrasound to a mother law?

00:05:44.000 Like, okay, yeah, you know, calories in your quesadilla Chipotle, that's fine.

00:05:49.000 How about just, I mean, if you're going to abort the being, then see the being.

00:05:52.000 Why do you think the pro-abortion lobby is so against laws that would say, okay, let's just find an introductory step to require ultrasound, ultrasound notification?

00:06:03.000 Why are they so against that?

00:06:05.000 Well, it's because of money, singularly.

00:06:08.000 The $1.2 billion affair from the Planned Parenthood standpoint as their annual take in.

00:06:15.000 And a third of that is from abortion.

00:06:17.000 So anything that will, you know, Jesus said years ago, the truth, if you know the truth, it'll set them free and it'll set them free from the deception that wants them to kill their own children.

00:06:27.000 And so they don't want them to know that this real baby that they'll regret it the rest of their lives and all of the hazards many taking the abortion pill.

00:06:35.000 And they're driven to promulgate abortion, as you said in your program many months ago when they met for the State of the Union address of wearing pins.

00:06:45.000 A legislator say we love abortion.

00:06:46.000 I mean, I can see where you would have a very strong opinion about abortion, but love it. 0.91

00:06:51.000 Crazy.

00:06:52.000 And I think at the end of the genesis, the root of all this, Frank, very spiritually driven, but money is behind it as well.

00:07:01.000 And the genocide, technocratic, billionaire elitists like Gates and others push them with an agenda to, I don't know if you're familiar with Malthusian economics, but it's about population control.

00:07:14.000 Sure.

00:07:15.000 That's exactly what it is.

00:07:17.000 And, you know, all that plays into the environmental folks as well.

00:07:21.000 So, so, Dan, preborn.org is the website.

00:07:26.000 Can you just walk through what you would consider to be an ordinary case of a woman in crisis?

00:07:33.000 What are the one-liners that you most hear?

00:07:35.000 What are the things that you hear from women that have a plan to terminate their pregnancy?

00:07:44.000 And what are the responses that you are able to successfully give to protect life?

00:07:50.000 Well, 48% of the time, it's my mother will kill me.

00:07:55.000 48% of the time, the mother of a pregnant girl, grandmother's baby, that's at hazard pushing the pregnant girl to abort. 0.87

00:08:02.000 I just spoke with one this morning, and you know, she mother didn't even know she was sexually active, and so she sees abortion as a quick and easy way, painless way out, but in fact, on her the rest of her life.

00:08:15.000 And to that, we would say, uh, bring her in, let her see her grandbaby on the altar.

00:08:23.000 And 80% of the time, it changes both of their minds.

00:08:26.000 When it's humanized in the mind, it's not just a problem, then, right?

00:08:29.000 It's a baby, and that'll make a big difference.

00:08:33.000 Another 42% of the time, girl will say, Well, my boyfriend back in the lobby is pushing me to, or husband's pushing me to abort.

00:08:42.000 And remember, there was one where they came in and he said that to us, and we said, Bring him in.

00:08:49.000 And we put a little fetal model in his hand and said, This is the size of your son or daughter right now in your girlfriend's womb. 0.92

00:08:58.000 This is your son.

00:08:59.000 What are you going to do about that?

00:09:01.000 And we'll help you with ribs and car seats, maternity clothes, and diapers two years and whatever you need so that you can choose life.

00:09:09.000 And we have compassionate, practical care backing up our claims for using life.

00:09:17.000 You know, you talked rightly so.

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00:09:27.000 You're a champion.

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00:09:31.000 And it's one thing to say that we're against abortion as we well all should be in the politics behind it, but it's another thing to do something practical to actually significantly stop it.

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00:10:47.000 So, Dan, if I heard you correctly, a majority of the women that come into your clinics or come into the work you do, the excuse they give is they're getting pressure either from their parent or their boyfriend and/or the person who impregnated them to terminate their child.

00:11:04.000 That surprises me in some sense.

00:11:06.000 I totally can understand, you know, moms pressuring their daughters because suburban moms think that if their daughter has a child too early, it's a burden.

00:11:16.000 In fact, the biggest pushers of abortion in America are like menopausal 50 or 60-year-old women that live in the suburbs of Denver and Chicago.

00:11:27.000 Like they're hostile towards this issue.

00:11:29.000 Why do you think that is?

00:11:31.000 Yeah, first off, spiritually for sure, but I do think that we are a culture that idolizes image and your daughter gets pregnant out of wedlock.

00:11:42.000 That ruins everything.

00:11:43.000 It ruins your plans and hopes and desires for her. 0.60

00:11:45.000 And parenting skills is called the question and all of that.

00:11:51.000 Shame.

00:11:52.000 And As a result, they see abortion as a quick, easy, painless answer out of it, but don't realize destroy their relationship with their daughter, destroy their daughter's God-given motherly heart.

00:12:07.000 They're the ones that push her to do it.

00:12:09.000 And so it's just a bad outcome all the way around.

00:12:11.000 And then the trauma that women go through because of abortion, particularly chemical abortion now, is exacerbated even beyond what it was before abortion without law.

00:12:20.000 So, yeah, I was unaware, though, that Charlie, that's an interesting fact that those are the most virulent supporters of abortion.

00:12:27.000 No, it without a doubt is.

00:12:29.000 And polling shows that in certain political outcomes.

00:12:32.000 And I think you just gave a perfect answer.

00:12:34.000 We idolize image where someone who has a 20-year-old daughter and she might get pregnant. 0.95

00:12:41.000 Her greatest fear is not killing her grandkid. 0.99

00:12:44.000 Her biggest fear is telling her country club friends that, you know, Cynthia has a baby.

00:12:51.000 That's considered to be unacceptable, right?

00:12:54.000 It's much easier to go crush the six-week-year-old baby than have to face the shame, which is just fake shame.

00:13:02.000 It's so that's such a good point.

00:13:04.000 So, preborn.org, can you also talk about how you offer the assistance of the other things that a mom might need if they're on the lower income ladder, right?

00:13:13.000 They might be worried about diapers or breastfeeding assistance or formula.

00:13:17.000 Walk us through how you're able to offer resources as well. 0.97

00:13:20.000 Yeah, so a woman walks into our center, Charles, she's got three options. 1.00

00:13:24.000 She wants to abort.

00:13:26.000 And by the way, our centers reach women that are seeking abortion.

00:13:28.000 We're not there for women that are friendly about their pregnancy. 1.00

00:13:32.000 The hospitals and the birthing centers can care for them.

00:13:36.000 We're there for those that are trying to terminate the life of the child that it's an easy way out.

00:13:41.000 And so she can abort, she can adopt, she can parent. 0.79

00:13:44.000 We show her the reality of abortion.

00:13:47.000 We show her the procedure, what it actually is, what she goes through.

00:13:52.000 The abortionist will not tell her what that is and what she will experience after abortion.

00:13:59.000 We talk to her about adoption and we work with adoption agencies to see if they want to adopt, they can easily do that.

00:14:05.000 And then, thirdly, and this happens most of the time, if a woman does not use abortion, she will choose to parent her child.

00:14:12.000 And so we're there for two years with maternity clothes, doctor visits.

00:14:16.000 You know, maybe it's substance abuse, maybe it's housing. 0.52

00:14:18.000 What does she need so that she has the ability? 1.00

00:14:20.000 She likes one thing to say to a woman, you shouldn't have an abortion. 1.00

00:14:23.000 What are we going to do when she points to bring it back at us and say, okay, so you're going to help me?

00:14:28.000 My boyfriend's going to kick me out.

00:14:29.000 I need housing.

00:14:33.000 You know, I'm on crack, whatever it is.

00:14:35.000 And so we are there with free services to help her choose life and to effectuate compassionate answer for her.

00:14:44.000 And then set up an adoption.

00:14:47.000 If a baby's born and parents child, we're there with two years worth of clothes and cribs and car seats and diapers, most truckloads of those to help her choose life.

00:14:57.000 So I know you're very familiar with the pregnancy center movement, Darlene.

00:15:00.000 This is the answer in the states where it's needed the most.

00:15:04.000 We have collaboration going.

00:15:06.000 Working Christian ministers actually working together.

00:15:08.000 It's amazing in these centers across America offering these compassionate answers to women.

00:15:16.000 We have changed from an obligation-based society to a rights-based society.

00:15:24.000 Said otherwise, rights, you're only thinking about yourself, obligation, you're thinking about others.

00:15:29.000 And people in the audience, by the way, you have an obligation to help the unborn.

00:15:33.000 One of the motivating factors, though, of people getting an abortion is they immediately think about a rights-based way of looking at it instead of an obligation of there's another human being involved.

00:15:44.000 You do great work at preborn.org.

00:15:46.000 Let's step up, everybody.

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00:15:52.000 If you are pro-life, listen, if you're pro-life and you say, I vote pro-life, I want pro-life candidates, I like that Roe versus Wade is repealed.

00:16:00.000 Excellent.

00:16:01.000 You need to keep doing that.

00:16:02.000 You also need to simultaneously give financially what you can to the charities that are making pro-life happen.

00:16:08.000 Like, not just even politically, just the actual mechanics of saving lives.

00:16:12.000 Preborn.org, preborn.org.

00:16:14.000 Dan, thank you so much.

00:16:14.000 God bless you.

00:16:15.000 Keep it up.

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00:17:49.000 One of my favorite guests from the film, What is a Woman, joins us now.

00:17:53.000 Dr. Miriam Grossman, who's an actual doctor, unlike Jill Biden, who is not a doctor.

00:18:00.000 She has a new book out that everybody needs to purchase, Lost in Transnation.

00:18:05.000 Excellent title, A Child Psychiatrist Guide Out of the Madness.

00:18:10.000 Doctor, the floor is yours.

00:18:12.000 Tell us about your book.

00:18:13.000 Well, Charlie, thanks so much for having me on.

00:18:17.000 Basically, I wrote this book after a few years of seeing gender-confused kids in my office and their parents and seeing the utter devastation that this belief system, this ideology is wreaking on society, on kids, on families, on our society in general. 1.00

00:18:43.000 And the devastation is really more than anything I've seen.

00:18:48.000 And believe me, in my 40 years of practicing psychiatry, child psychiatry, I've seen a lot.

00:18:53.000 I've seen a lot of bad stuff.

00:18:56.000 But this is the worst.

00:18:58.000 And the reason is it is man-made.

00:19:02.000 These catastrophes of a child coming home suddenly and claiming that they're the opposite sex and demanding that their parents call them by a different name and new pronouns and take them to a gender clinic for puberty blockers and opposite sex hormones.

00:19:21.000 This is a man-made catastrophe.

00:19:23.000 It's based on bogus ideas with no medical foundation, meaning the idea that your identity can be completely separate from your physical reality, from your biology.

00:19:41.000 That is a bogus idea.

00:19:43.000 It's a belief.

00:19:44.000 Some people may believe in it.

00:19:46.000 Some people may not.

00:19:48.000 But it is being taught as facts to our kids.

00:19:53.000 Our young kids in preschool are being taught, indoctrinated, as if they it was, it's possible that they are a mistake, that they were identified incorrectly as a boy or a girl, and that this happens quite commonly, and that may be the case with them.

00:20:16.000 And this idea is planted in their heads from a very early age.

00:20:21.000 And what I am saying is that this is dangerous and this is wrong.

00:20:25.000 And parents need to have the information and the tools to prevent these ideas from gaining a foothold in their family.

00:20:36.000 So in other words, my book, Lost in Transnation, it is for those families that are currently going through this catastrophe, but it is even more so for families who have yet to face such a thing so that they can preempt it, they can avoid it, they can inoculate their child against it. 0.99

00:20:58.000 So doctor, there's several places I want to go with this.

00:21:00.000 The first, I want to pick up on something you said.

00:21:02.000 You said you've been in this space for 40 years and you've seen some really bad ideas.

00:21:07.000 There's this revisionist history as if scientists or scientism never gets anything wrong.

00:21:11.000 Can you remind our audience of how we used to embrace bad ideas?

00:21:16.000 For example, that we should probably press pause on this trans thing for no other reason than there hasn't been a great track record over the last hundred years with some of these fats. 1.00

00:21:25.000 I mean, lobotomies is the first one that comes to mind, right?

00:21:27.000 Pretty awful human experimentation.

00:21:30.000 Can you give us some other examples?

00:21:32.000 Well, sure.

00:21:33.000 And I think that you're correct in calling this a medical scandal similar to the lobotomy scandal, in which I will remind people that the doctor that came up with the idea of placing something that looked like an ice pick through a patient's eye socket and into their brain to cut off or to sever the connection of their frontal lobes.

00:22:02.000 He won a Nobel Prize for coming up with that idea.

00:22:06.000 And this was in order to supposedly cure severe mental illness.

00:22:12.000 And many thousands, I think 40 to 50,000 individuals in this country, including JFK's sister, had this procedure done.

00:22:24.000 And lo and behold, after a while, people realize that they are not benefiting from this procedure.

00:22:31.000 To the contrary, they were made into zombie-like individuals.

00:22:38.000 It was harming them.

00:22:40.000 And this is going to be seen what we're going through now with so-called gender affirming care, which is an Orwellian term, because in order to affirm someone's gender of the opposite sex, you have to deny their reality. 0.82

00:22:57.000 Now, as a psychiatrist, I will tell you that it is a dangerous thing to deny reality.

00:23:04.000 You know, healthy individuals, emotionally healthy individuals, accept reality.

00:23:09.000 They learn to live with reality.

00:23:12.000 If you cannot do that, you're going down a dangerous path.

00:23:16.000 Now, what's going on now is that pediatricians, endocrinologists, the American Academy of Pediatrics, all the mainstream medical organizations are going with this narrative, this dangerous narrative that does not have a medical evidence.

00:23:36.000 They are telling us that there is strong medical evidence.

00:23:40.000 That is not correct.

00:23:42.000 I explain in my book how the evidence is actually extremely poor.

00:23:47.000 And the evidence that we do have on these individuals whose sex have been reassigned is a totally different population than who we are looking at now.

00:24:00.000 So I don't want to get too deeply into all of this.

00:24:04.000 That's excellent.

00:24:04.000 There's a specific follow-up I have on that, though, and I do want to get into the details.

00:24:08.000 But doctor, can you walk us through how gender dysphoria would have been treated the textbook way of treatment 30 years ago when you were first getting your career started versus now the textbook treatment of gender dysphoria or gender confusion today?

00:24:24.000 What specifically has changed?

00:24:26.000 Okay, so first of all, when I was being trained to be a medical doctor, child psychiatrist, I heard about this condition called gender identity disorder, but it was so rare.

00:24:39.000 I mean, none of us ever expected to see even one individual with gender identity disorder in our entire lives.

00:24:47.000 And now it is so common.

00:24:49.000 The incidence is up something like 5,000% just in the past 10 years that that's all I do.

00:24:57.000 And, you know, of course, there's long, long waiting lists of families that are waiting and hoping to see me and other treatment providers like myself.

00:25:06.000 So we are in the midst of an epidemic.

00:25:09.000 But to answer your question, 30 years ago, these extremely rare, extraordinarily rare kids, and as evidence of the fact that they were so rare is the fact that in the entire world, Charlie,

00:25:24.000 there were only two clinics, two clinics in the entire world, one in Toronto and one in the Netherlands, 30 years ago, only two clinics that there wasn't even any clinic, one in the whole United States to treat these children.

00:25:40.000 And what would have been done is called, it's called watchful waiting, which means that exactly what it says.

00:25:49.000 You watch them, you monitor and see how they're doing.

00:25:54.000 You certainly do not tell them that they are a member of the opposite sex.

00:25:58.000 You might say to them, well, you're a boy, you feel like you're a girl, and that's okay. 0.99

00:26:05.000 We're going to help you with that.

00:26:07.000 Feelings change, but you are permanently a boy.

00:26:13.000 So that's called watchful waiting.

00:26:15.000 And the point is, Charlie, that we have 11 studies from those different clinics that I mentioned earlier on these kids.

00:26:26.000 11 out of 11 studies indicate that with time, the vast majority, even over 90% in some studies, will grow out of the gender dysphoria.

00:26:39.000 They need to go through normal organic puberty.

00:26:44.000 They need to be exposed to that normal hormonal surge of estrogen or testosterone, and then they reach a sense of acceptance about their bodies.

00:26:56.000 And now what we're doing is we're intervening at an early, early age before they get that surge of hormones.

00:27:03.000 We're preventing the surge of normal hormones.

00:27:07.000 We are preventing the very process of puberty that could be very well be the cure to this debilitating condition.

00:27:17.000 So now, fast forward to today, watchful waiting is not the standard.

00:27:22.000 I'm sure you go through it in the book, chemical castration, gender-affirming care, even proactively asking kids, do you think that you're in the right body, almost seeking out this issue where otherwise does not exist?

00:27:33.000 But you're board certified, you're a child psychiatrist.

00:27:37.000 Can you just give some ease or comfort to a parent how this should be still treated today?

00:27:44.000 Because what you just mentioned, doctor, could be considered abuse in some eyes.

00:27:49.000 How dare you tell a nine-year-old that you are not able to change your biological reality?

00:27:56.000 Would you, do you or should you make any adjustments for the social contagion we're living through right now?

00:28:00.000 Because, doctor, the reason I'm asking this question is parents are presented.

00:28:04.000 There's only one way to go about this: drugs, antidepressants, and surgery, as if there are no, there's no other way to quote unquote help your child.

00:28:15.000 Well, you know, this is the problem that we have now in this country.

00:28:19.000 We are becoming outliers.

00:28:21.000 The U.S. and Canada are becoming outliers in the Western world in terms of how our kids are treated.

00:28:29.000 Okay, Sweden, Finland, Norway, Britain have all made a U-turn.

00:28:35.000 They were also very big on so-called affirming care with the medical model.

00:28:39.000 They looked at the data, they looked at the social contagion, and they realized we are not doing a favor to these kids by medicalizing them.

00:28:49.000 What they need is psychotherapy.

00:28:51.000 And so they've done a 180.

00:28:53.000 The same child, you know, you have a kid in Boston or in San Francisco who's going to be medicalized at the age of 11 or 12 and given puberty blockers.

00:29:03.000 If they lived in Stockholm or Oslo, that would not be happening.

00:29:07.000 They would not have access to those treatments because medical authorities there have realized that what the kids need is psychotherapy outside of very, very rare, extraordinary cases.

00:29:18.000 And those cases would be placed in a study and they would be monitored very, very carefully, which means that the vast majority, the vast majority of kids do not have access to these treatments that in the U.S. are being given out like candy.

00:29:36.000 So I want to give, it is unbelievable.

00:29:40.000 And that's why, you know, I got so upset seeing this over and over again, Charlie, that, you know, I had to write this book and I put my heart and soul into it.

00:29:51.000 And I'm sure, you know, I have to say this.

00:29:55.000 I really think it's going to save families.

00:29:57.000 I think it's going to save families from this catastrophe, but they do need to get on top of it soon, you know, sooner than later.

00:30:07.000 Yesterday would have been ideal.

00:30:09.000 And they need to know how to answer their child's questions and how to immunize them against this ideology.

00:30:18.000 The book is Lost in Transnation by Dr. Miriam Grossman.

00:30:25.000 So, Doctor, I want to ask you about one component of this because you're totally right.

00:30:29.000 You say that the AMA and all these institutions are captured.

00:30:32.000 But I find this to be the most difficult limiting belief to pierce with people that are not as involved in this as you and I.

00:30:40.000 So when I tell them that, oh, yeah, the AMA is captured and the CDC is captured on this topic, they don't want, they refuse to believe that the major institutions of power could all be in on it.

00:30:51.000 They say, oh, that's a conspiracy.

00:30:53.000 Or, you know, doctor, how do we convince people?

00:30:56.000 And is it, am I summarizing this fairly?

00:30:59.000 Oh, yes, you certainly are summarizing it.

00:31:02.000 But what I would point out, you see, the part of this that people don't understand, I explain in my book, is that when these mainstream organizations come out with policy statements and guidelines, those policy statements and those guidelines are coming from a small committee.

00:31:24.000 You know, it could be under 10 or 12 people that have volunteered to be involved in this issue and to produce the policy.

00:31:36.000 And these are individuals who oftentimes are going to have their own opinions.

00:31:41.000 They are not necessarily going to be following the science.

00:31:46.000 And there is actually very little good research in this area because until recently, the condition was so extraordinarily rare.

00:31:57.000 There just weren't that many people that had this, as we spoke about earlier.

00:32:03.000 And so what happens is that these committees end up being strongly ideological.

00:32:08.000 They have an axe to grind.

00:32:10.000 They want the institution to go in a certain direction.

00:32:15.000 For example, the American Academy of Pediatrics in 2018 came out with guidelines for the treatment of these kids.

00:32:24.000 It was written by one person, one doctor who had just completed his residency and it contains just the whole thing, you know, from A to Z about being born in the wrong body and there's gender fluidity and all the vocabulary, the Orwellian vocabulary.

00:32:44.000 So it is just deeply, deeply ideological.

00:32:47.000 And then what happens is that these documents are presented that the rank and file pediatricians or the rank and file child psychiatrists never have a say.

00:33:00.000 Not only do they never have a say, they're not allowed.

00:33:03.000 They are canceled.

00:33:05.000 If they write a letter to the editor, it's not published.

00:33:10.000 If they come to their organization and they say, let's have a panel discussion at our annual meeting, it never happens.

00:33:17.000 If they, you know, like right now at the American Academy of Pediatrics, there are 24 pediatricians who are members of that organization, and they came up with a proposal four years in a row asking for this issue to be looked at again and asking for discussion on this issue.

00:33:38.000 I mean, after all, you know, when you follow their recommendations, you are sterilizing children for God's sake.

00:33:46.000 There needs to be debate and discussion and looking at the evidence.

00:33:50.000 The American Academy of Pediatrics does not allow those things to happen.

00:33:55.000 So what people need to understand is that these organizations have become, at least on this issue, tyrannical.

00:34:04.000 And they do not permit dissenting opinions.

00:34:08.000 And they do it all under the guise of science.

00:34:10.000 And they are taking advantage of people's trust.

00:34:13.000 Eventually, people will wake up.

00:34:14.000 And that's why your voice is so important.

00:34:16.000 Your response to the one-liner that is parroted on television and by thousands of pediatricians where they look their parents in the eye and they say, would you rather have a daughter or a dead son?

00:34:26.000 Your reaction, doctor.

00:34:29.000 Charlie, you're 100% correct.

00:34:30.000 This is emotional blackmail of the worst sort.

00:34:35.000 And that statement, that threat is often being made while the child is in the room.

00:34:43.000 So as a child psychiatrist, you know, I can't, I don't have words that are strong enough to convey how preposterous this is, how unprofessional, and in addition, how incorrect.

00:34:58.000 Because what the data show is that while these kids do have an elevated risk of suicidal behavior, suicidal thoughts, which is altogether different than a completed suicide, by the way, they do have an elevated risk, but that risk is no different than other kids with emotional disorders.

00:35:21.000 And furthermore, furthermore, there's no good long-term evidence that indicates even if we do affirm the kids and give them what they say they want so much and put them on that medicalized path, there's no indication that the suicide rate is improved.

00:35:41.000 It may even be worse.

00:35:44.000 And I want to add to this discussion that my concern, I mean, of course, I'm concerned about anyone who's suicidal.

00:35:51.000 Every suicide is a terrible tragedy.

00:35:54.000 But I want to add here that there are two groups that are being ignored.

00:36:00.000 And that is the parents and the detransitioners. 1.00

00:36:05.000 The young people, the young people who have been through the affirmation, have been through the blocking their puberty, taking opposite sex hormones. 0.94

00:36:16.000 Their voices have forever, the women, their voices have been lowered. 1.00

00:36:20.000 They have beards.

00:36:21.000 Some of them have had their breasts removed and more.

00:36:24.000 I am worried about their depression and suicide now because of what they have been through. 0.97

00:36:33.000 So, and Dr. Chloe Cole comes to mind.

00:36:36.000 There is a growing community of tens of thousands of these detransitioners that are picketed and protest and smeared and slandered. 1.00

00:36:43.000 And so, doctor, there's a question I get frequently, and I would love your speculation because I don't think there's an easy answer.

00:36:50.000 The question is, why?

00:36:52.000 What the hell are we doing here?

00:36:53.000 This is the other limiting belief where people refuse to believe it's as bad as we say it is because they say, oh, no one could be that evil where you're just chopping kids' parts off and you make them go under multiple hours of surgery to castrate them.

00:37:05.000 You know, what is the motive?

00:37:06.000 Is it profit?

00:37:07.000 Is it like just unchecked, bad academic bluster that has metastasized with the sexual revolution?

00:37:15.000 What the hell are we doing here?

00:37:17.000 Yeah.

00:37:18.000 Well, of course, the profit motive is a big one.

00:37:22.000 You have to understand, I want your audience to understand, when kids go on blockers at the age of 10 or 12 years old, 90% or over 90% are then going to go on the opposite sex hormone.

00:37:35.000 And that means they are a consumer of pharmaceuticals for life.

00:37:41.000 They become a lifelong patient.

00:37:44.000 Forget about all the expensive surgeries, of course, that they might also have.

00:37:49.000 But to maintain that synthetic persona of looking like a female if you're a male and looking male if you're a female, that's going to take hormones every day of your life. 0.61

00:38:03.000 So the financial aspect of this is absolutely huge.

00:38:07.000 Now, the other thing that we have to mention is the philosophy here that is behind a lot of it, I believe, this philosophy of transhumanism.

00:38:19.000 And that's, you know, that's the humanity 2.0.

00:38:24.000 It's a philosophy of disembodiment, of rejecting our physical bodies and having a life separate or beyond our physicality.

00:38:38.000 Now, this is not something I have any expertise in, but since I have been involved with so many families and I have thought deeply about what, like what you just said, like what the hell is going on here, I have discovered this transhumanism element.

00:38:55.000 And I do believe, because if you follow the money, a lot, these, you know, millions and millions of dollars that are being pumped into these programs in hospitals and clinics and sex education, a lot of this money is coming from transhumanists and some of them are transgender themselves.

00:39:16.000 So final question, the book is lost in transnation, doctor.

00:39:19.000 Let's get technical action items.

00:39:22.000 Right now, there is somebody in the audience that has a granddaughter, a niece, a nephew that has gender dysphoria.

00:39:28.000 Where do they go?

00:39:29.000 What do they do?

00:39:29.000 Is there a resource?

00:39:30.000 Is there a list?

00:39:31.000 Because 99% of the institutional places will affirm, will do meds, possibly surgery, and go towards this labyrinth of bad, baseless scientific decisions.

00:39:44.000 What is a parent or grandparent to do?

00:39:47.000 Okay, you avoid gender clinics, gender affirming clinics and therapists at all costs. 0.59

00:39:52.000 You avoid them.

00:39:54.000 You can find proper help.

00:39:57.000 You can find groups of parents that will support you.

00:40:01.000 You can find a therapist that will support you.

00:40:04.000 Please go to my website, miriamgrossmanmd.com.

00:40:08.000 I have a tab there that says resources.

00:40:11.000 I have a list of organizations for parents and for providers that can, you know, that'll give you what you need, that will give you support, that will give you the education that you need.

00:40:24.000 And please, my book that's coming out next week, I have seven appendices in the back that will tell parents how to be proactive with schools, how to protect your child from the ideology that's being promoted in the schools.

00:40:40.000 Some of these schools are just basically indoctrination centers.

00:40:46.000 I have some appendices that are written by attorneys that will help you with all the sorts of legal issues that can come up.

00:40:54.000 I have an appendix written on how to get control of your child's internet use.

00:41:01.000 And I also have the results of a poll, a survey that I did of parents who are in this situation currently.

00:41:09.000 And I asked them, what is your advice to other families who have yet to experience this in their homes?

00:41:16.000 And I got responses from 500 parents in 17 different countries.

00:41:22.000 And I took that advice and it's there for you to learn from.

00:41:27.000 Amazing.

00:41:28.000 I want to thank you for your courage, Doctor.

00:41:30.000 We'll have you back on soon.

00:41:31.000 Dr. Miriam Grossman and check out our book, Lost in Transnation. 0.96

00:41:36.000 We need more voices like yours.

00:41:37.000 God bless you.

00:41:38.000 Thank you so much.

00:41:39.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:41:41.000 Thanks.

00:41:41.000 Thank you.

00:41:44.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - July 11, 2023

A Country ‘Lost in Trans Nation’ with Dr. Miriam Grossman and Dan Steiner

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