00:00:53.000He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:00.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:57.000And it really vectors right into what you do every day on a daily basis, and that is schism of America.
00:02:04.000Now our country, after 24th June of 2022, where Roe v. Wade was overturned, polarized dramatically.
00:02:11.000And what we've got here is a almost civil war-like profile of America, where you have sanctuary space that are vehemently ensconcing abortion as a constitutional right in their state.
00:02:25.000And then you have states like Texas and Mississippi, Tennessee that are outlawing abortion.
00:02:41.000It manifests no more clearly than in the abortion space, which you help us with, and on the political landscape.
00:02:48.000And so while we applaud the overturning of Roe versus Wade, which we really believe will result in probably 150,000 less abortions this year, it's become more fragmented, more fragmented as a nation, more divided.
00:03:04.000And it's much more difficult to save babies now than it ever has been because of sanctuary space and chemical abortion.
00:03:13.000So it's very challenging, but because of organizations like yours, we have seen real progress.
00:03:54.000Walk us through how you're able to do that.
00:03:56.000Yeah, well, all credit goes to our chief executive officer, Jesus Christ.
00:04:00.000But behind that is a couple of things.
00:04:03.000First, we've built a coalition centers in the highest abortion sanctuary states where women would go for abortions: New York, Los Angeles, Miami, the DMV area, the DFW area, Houston, and Chicago.
00:04:20.000And we have a very sophisticated sex stack that competes directly with the abortion industry on an hour-by-hour basis, helping these women finding native digitals, their Gen Zs and Gen X some all of which live their lives digitally on the internet, and that's where they find their abortion.
00:04:43.000We are moment by moment trying to reach them before the abortionist does get them to call our call center and then route them to the one nearest them that can provide services that they need.
00:04:55.000And so it's a very technological battle now, a digital battle now.
00:05:01.000But if we can reach them or the abortionist does, get them into one of our clinics and they can see an ultrasound of the baby.
00:05:23.000For years, the left, and I hate to politicize it, but they were always big into transparency of how many calories are in your burrito.
00:05:31.000What are the ingredients in your salad dressing?
00:05:34.000Yet we've not been able to get traction in any blue states to at least say, hey, how about you must show an ultrasound to a mother law?
00:05:44.000Like, okay, yeah, you know, calories in your quesadilla Chipotle, that's fine.
00:05:49.000How about just, I mean, if you're going to abort the being, then see the being.
00:05:52.000Why do you think the pro-abortion lobby is so against laws that would say, okay, let's just find an introductory step to require ultrasound, ultrasound notification?
00:06:17.000So anything that will, you know, Jesus said years ago, the truth, if you know the truth, it'll set them free and it'll set them free from the deception that wants them to kill their own children.
00:06:27.000And so they don't want them to know that this real baby that they'll regret it the rest of their lives and all of the hazards many taking the abortion pill.
00:06:35.000And they're driven to promulgate abortion, as you said in your program many months ago when they met for the State of the Union address of wearing pins.
00:06:52.000And I think at the end of the genesis, the root of all this, Frank, very spiritually driven, but money is behind it as well.
00:07:01.000And the genocide, technocratic, billionaire elitists like Gates and others push them with an agenda to, I don't know if you're familiar with Malthusian economics, but it's about population control.
00:07:17.000And, you know, all that plays into the environmental folks as well.
00:07:21.000So, so, Dan, preborn.org is the website.
00:07:26.000Can you just walk through what you would consider to be an ordinary case of a woman in crisis?
00:07:33.000What are the one-liners that you most hear?
00:07:35.000What are the things that you hear from women that have a plan to terminate their pregnancy?
00:07:44.000And what are the responses that you are able to successfully give to protect life?
00:07:50.000Well, 48% of the time, it's my mother will kill me.
00:07:55.00048% of the time, the mother of a pregnant girl, grandmother's baby, that's at hazard pushing the pregnant girl to abort.
00:08:02.000I just spoke with one this morning, and you know, she mother didn't even know she was sexually active, and so she sees abortion as a quick and easy way, painless way out, but in fact, on her the rest of her life.
00:08:15.000And to that, we would say, uh, bring her in, let her see her grandbaby on the altar.
00:08:23.000And 80% of the time, it changes both of their minds.
00:08:26.000When it's humanized in the mind, it's not just a problem, then, right?
00:08:29.000It's a baby, and that'll make a big difference.
00:08:33.000Another 42% of the time, girl will say, Well, my boyfriend back in the lobby is pushing me to, or husband's pushing me to abort.
00:08:42.000And remember, there was one where they came in and he said that to us, and we said, Bring him in.
00:08:49.000And we put a little fetal model in his hand and said, This is the size of your son or daughter right now in your girlfriend's womb.
00:09:31.000And it's one thing to say that we're against abortion as we well all should be in the politics behind it, but it's another thing to do something practical to actually significantly stop it.
00:10:41.000That is preparewithkirk.com, preparewithkirk.com.
00:10:47.000So, Dan, if I heard you correctly, a majority of the women that come into your clinics or come into the work you do, the excuse they give is they're getting pressure either from their parent or their boyfriend and/or the person who impregnated them to terminate their child.
00:11:06.000I totally can understand, you know, moms pressuring their daughters because suburban moms think that if their daughter has a child too early, it's a burden.
00:11:16.000In fact, the biggest pushers of abortion in America are like menopausal 50 or 60-year-old women that live in the suburbs of Denver and Chicago.
00:11:27.000Like they're hostile towards this issue.
00:11:31.000Yeah, first off, spiritually for sure, but I do think that we are a culture that idolizes image and your daughter gets pregnant out of wedlock.
00:11:52.000And As a result, they see abortion as a quick, easy, painless answer out of it, but don't realize destroy their relationship with their daughter, destroy their daughter's God-given motherly heart.
00:12:07.000They're the ones that push her to do it.
00:12:09.000And so it's just a bad outcome all the way around.
00:12:11.000And then the trauma that women go through because of abortion, particularly chemical abortion now, is exacerbated even beyond what it was before abortion without law.
00:12:20.000So, yeah, I was unaware, though, that Charlie, that's an interesting fact that those are the most virulent supporters of abortion.
00:13:04.000So, preborn.org, can you also talk about how you offer the assistance of the other things that a mom might need if they're on the lower income ladder, right?
00:13:13.000They might be worried about diapers or breastfeeding assistance or formula.
00:13:17.000Walk us through how you're able to offer resources as well.
00:13:20.000Yeah, so a woman walks into our center, Charles, she's got three options.
00:14:47.000If a baby's born and parents child, we're there with two years worth of clothes and cribs and car seats and diapers, most truckloads of those to help her choose life.
00:14:57.000So I know you're very familiar with the pregnancy center movement, Darlene.
00:15:00.000This is the answer in the states where it's needed the most.
00:15:06.000Working Christian ministers actually working together.
00:15:08.000It's amazing in these centers across America offering these compassionate answers to women.
00:15:16.000We have changed from an obligation-based society to a rights-based society.
00:15:24.000Said otherwise, rights, you're only thinking about yourself, obligation, you're thinking about others.
00:15:29.000And people in the audience, by the way, you have an obligation to help the unborn.
00:15:33.000One of the motivating factors, though, of people getting an abortion is they immediately think about a rights-based way of looking at it instead of an obligation of there's another human being involved.
00:15:52.000If you are pro-life, listen, if you're pro-life and you say, I vote pro-life, I want pro-life candidates, I like that Roe versus Wade is repealed.
00:18:13.000Well, Charlie, thanks so much for having me on.
00:18:17.000Basically, I wrote this book after a few years of seeing gender-confused kids in my office and their parents and seeing the utter devastation that this belief system, this ideology is wreaking on society, on kids, on families, on our society in general.
00:18:43.000And the devastation is really more than anything I've seen.
00:18:48.000And believe me, in my 40 years of practicing psychiatry, child psychiatry, I've seen a lot.
00:19:02.000These catastrophes of a child coming home suddenly and claiming that they're the opposite sex and demanding that their parents call them by a different name and new pronouns and take them to a gender clinic for puberty blockers and opposite sex hormones.
00:19:23.000It's based on bogus ideas with no medical foundation, meaning the idea that your identity can be completely separate from your physical reality, from your biology.
00:19:48.000But it is being taught as facts to our kids.
00:19:53.000Our young kids in preschool are being taught, indoctrinated, as if they it was, it's possible that they are a mistake, that they were identified incorrectly as a boy or a girl, and that this happens quite commonly, and that may be the case with them.
00:20:16.000And this idea is planted in their heads from a very early age.
00:20:21.000And what I am saying is that this is dangerous and this is wrong.
00:20:25.000And parents need to have the information and the tools to prevent these ideas from gaining a foothold in their family.
00:20:36.000So in other words, my book, Lost in Transnation, it is for those families that are currently going through this catastrophe, but it is even more so for families who have yet to face such a thing so that they can preempt it, they can avoid it, they can inoculate their child against it.
00:20:58.000So doctor, there's several places I want to go with this.
00:21:00.000The first, I want to pick up on something you said.
00:21:02.000You said you've been in this space for 40 years and you've seen some really bad ideas.
00:21:07.000There's this revisionist history as if scientists or scientism never gets anything wrong.
00:21:11.000Can you remind our audience of how we used to embrace bad ideas?
00:21:16.000For example, that we should probably press pause on this trans thing for no other reason than there hasn't been a great track record over the last hundred years with some of these fats.
00:21:25.000I mean, lobotomies is the first one that comes to mind, right?
00:21:33.000And I think that you're correct in calling this a medical scandal similar to the lobotomy scandal, in which I will remind people that the doctor that came up with the idea of placing something that looked like an ice pick through a patient's eye socket and into their brain to cut off or to sever the connection of their frontal lobes.
00:22:02.000He won a Nobel Prize for coming up with that idea.
00:22:06.000And this was in order to supposedly cure severe mental illness.
00:22:12.000And many thousands, I think 40 to 50,000 individuals in this country, including JFK's sister, had this procedure done.
00:22:24.000And lo and behold, after a while, people realize that they are not benefiting from this procedure.
00:22:31.000To the contrary, they were made into zombie-like individuals.
00:22:40.000And this is going to be seen what we're going through now with so-called gender affirming care, which is an Orwellian term, because in order to affirm someone's gender of the opposite sex, you have to deny their reality.
00:22:57.000Now, as a psychiatrist, I will tell you that it is a dangerous thing to deny reality.
00:23:12.000If you cannot do that, you're going down a dangerous path.
00:23:16.000Now, what's going on now is that pediatricians, endocrinologists, the American Academy of Pediatrics, all the mainstream medical organizations are going with this narrative, this dangerous narrative that does not have a medical evidence.
00:23:36.000They are telling us that there is strong medical evidence.
00:23:42.000I explain in my book how the evidence is actually extremely poor.
00:23:47.000And the evidence that we do have on these individuals whose sex have been reassigned is a totally different population than who we are looking at now.
00:24:00.000So I don't want to get too deeply into all of this.
00:24:04.000There's a specific follow-up I have on that, though, and I do want to get into the details.
00:24:08.000But doctor, can you walk us through how gender dysphoria would have been treated the textbook way of treatment 30 years ago when you were first getting your career started versus now the textbook treatment of gender dysphoria or gender confusion today?
00:24:26.000Okay, so first of all, when I was being trained to be a medical doctor, child psychiatrist, I heard about this condition called gender identity disorder, but it was so rare.
00:24:39.000I mean, none of us ever expected to see even one individual with gender identity disorder in our entire lives.
00:24:49.000The incidence is up something like 5,000% just in the past 10 years that that's all I do.
00:24:57.000And, you know, of course, there's long, long waiting lists of families that are waiting and hoping to see me and other treatment providers like myself.
00:25:06.000So we are in the midst of an epidemic.
00:25:09.000But to answer your question, 30 years ago, these extremely rare, extraordinarily rare kids, and as evidence of the fact that they were so rare is the fact that in the entire world, Charlie,
00:25:24.000there were only two clinics, two clinics in the entire world, one in Toronto and one in the Netherlands, 30 years ago, only two clinics that there wasn't even any clinic, one in the whole United States to treat these children.
00:25:40.000And what would have been done is called, it's called watchful waiting, which means that exactly what it says.
00:25:49.000You watch them, you monitor and see how they're doing.
00:25:54.000You certainly do not tell them that they are a member of the opposite sex.
00:25:58.000You might say to them, well, you're a boy, you feel like you're a girl, and that's okay.
00:26:15.000And the point is, Charlie, that we have 11 studies from those different clinics that I mentioned earlier on these kids.
00:26:26.00011 out of 11 studies indicate that with time, the vast majority, even over 90% in some studies, will grow out of the gender dysphoria.
00:26:39.000They need to go through normal organic puberty.
00:26:44.000They need to be exposed to that normal hormonal surge of estrogen or testosterone, and then they reach a sense of acceptance about their bodies.
00:26:56.000And now what we're doing is we're intervening at an early, early age before they get that surge of hormones.
00:27:03.000We're preventing the surge of normal hormones.
00:27:07.000We are preventing the very process of puberty that could be very well be the cure to this debilitating condition.
00:27:17.000So now, fast forward to today, watchful waiting is not the standard.
00:27:22.000I'm sure you go through it in the book, chemical castration, gender-affirming care, even proactively asking kids, do you think that you're in the right body, almost seeking out this issue where otherwise does not exist?
00:27:33.000But you're board certified, you're a child psychiatrist.
00:27:37.000Can you just give some ease or comfort to a parent how this should be still treated today?
00:27:44.000Because what you just mentioned, doctor, could be considered abuse in some eyes.
00:27:49.000How dare you tell a nine-year-old that you are not able to change your biological reality?
00:27:56.000Would you, do you or should you make any adjustments for the social contagion we're living through right now?
00:28:00.000Because, doctor, the reason I'm asking this question is parents are presented.
00:28:04.000There's only one way to go about this: drugs, antidepressants, and surgery, as if there are no, there's no other way to quote unquote help your child.
00:28:15.000Well, you know, this is the problem that we have now in this country.
00:28:21.000The U.S. and Canada are becoming outliers in the Western world in terms of how our kids are treated.
00:28:29.000Okay, Sweden, Finland, Norway, Britain have all made a U-turn.
00:28:35.000They were also very big on so-called affirming care with the medical model.
00:28:39.000They looked at the data, they looked at the social contagion, and they realized we are not doing a favor to these kids by medicalizing them.
00:28:53.000The same child, you know, you have a kid in Boston or in San Francisco who's going to be medicalized at the age of 11 or 12 and given puberty blockers.
00:29:03.000If they lived in Stockholm or Oslo, that would not be happening.
00:29:07.000They would not have access to those treatments because medical authorities there have realized that what the kids need is psychotherapy outside of very, very rare, extraordinary cases.
00:29:18.000And those cases would be placed in a study and they would be monitored very, very carefully, which means that the vast majority, the vast majority of kids do not have access to these treatments that in the U.S. are being given out like candy.
00:29:36.000So I want to give, it is unbelievable.
00:29:40.000And that's why, you know, I got so upset seeing this over and over again, Charlie, that, you know, I had to write this book and I put my heart and soul into it.
00:29:51.000And I'm sure, you know, I have to say this.
00:29:55.000I really think it's going to save families.
00:29:57.000I think it's going to save families from this catastrophe, but they do need to get on top of it soon, you know, sooner than later.
00:30:09.000And they need to know how to answer their child's questions and how to immunize them against this ideology.
00:30:18.000The book is Lost in Transnation by Dr. Miriam Grossman.
00:30:25.000So, Doctor, I want to ask you about one component of this because you're totally right.
00:30:29.000You say that the AMA and all these institutions are captured.
00:30:32.000But I find this to be the most difficult limiting belief to pierce with people that are not as involved in this as you and I.
00:30:40.000So when I tell them that, oh, yeah, the AMA is captured and the CDC is captured on this topic, they don't want, they refuse to believe that the major institutions of power could all be in on it.
00:30:53.000Or, you know, doctor, how do we convince people?
00:30:56.000And is it, am I summarizing this fairly?
00:30:59.000Oh, yes, you certainly are summarizing it.
00:31:02.000But what I would point out, you see, the part of this that people don't understand, I explain in my book, is that when these mainstream organizations come out with policy statements and guidelines, those policy statements and those guidelines are coming from a small committee.
00:31:24.000You know, it could be under 10 or 12 people that have volunteered to be involved in this issue and to produce the policy.
00:31:36.000And these are individuals who oftentimes are going to have their own opinions.
00:31:41.000They are not necessarily going to be following the science.
00:31:46.000And there is actually very little good research in this area because until recently, the condition was so extraordinarily rare.
00:31:57.000There just weren't that many people that had this, as we spoke about earlier.
00:32:03.000And so what happens is that these committees end up being strongly ideological.
00:32:10.000They want the institution to go in a certain direction.
00:32:15.000For example, the American Academy of Pediatrics in 2018 came out with guidelines for the treatment of these kids.
00:32:24.000It was written by one person, one doctor who had just completed his residency and it contains just the whole thing, you know, from A to Z about being born in the wrong body and there's gender fluidity and all the vocabulary, the Orwellian vocabulary.
00:32:44.000So it is just deeply, deeply ideological.
00:32:47.000And then what happens is that these documents are presented that the rank and file pediatricians or the rank and file child psychiatrists never have a say.
00:33:00.000Not only do they never have a say, they're not allowed.
00:33:05.000If they write a letter to the editor, it's not published.
00:33:10.000If they come to their organization and they say, let's have a panel discussion at our annual meeting, it never happens.
00:33:17.000If they, you know, like right now at the American Academy of Pediatrics, there are 24 pediatricians who are members of that organization, and they came up with a proposal four years in a row asking for this issue to be looked at again and asking for discussion on this issue.
00:33:38.000I mean, after all, you know, when you follow their recommendations, you are sterilizing children for God's sake.
00:33:46.000There needs to be debate and discussion and looking at the evidence.
00:33:50.000The American Academy of Pediatrics does not allow those things to happen.
00:33:55.000So what people need to understand is that these organizations have become, at least on this issue, tyrannical.
00:34:04.000And they do not permit dissenting opinions.
00:34:08.000And they do it all under the guise of science.
00:34:10.000And they are taking advantage of people's trust.
00:34:14.000And that's why your voice is so important.
00:34:16.000Your response to the one-liner that is parroted on television and by thousands of pediatricians where they look their parents in the eye and they say, would you rather have a daughter or a dead son?
00:34:30.000This is emotional blackmail of the worst sort.
00:34:35.000And that statement, that threat is often being made while the child is in the room.
00:34:43.000So as a child psychiatrist, you know, I can't, I don't have words that are strong enough to convey how preposterous this is, how unprofessional, and in addition, how incorrect.
00:34:58.000Because what the data show is that while these kids do have an elevated risk of suicidal behavior, suicidal thoughts, which is altogether different than a completed suicide, by the way, they do have an elevated risk, but that risk is no different than other kids with emotional disorders.
00:35:21.000And furthermore, furthermore, there's no good long-term evidence that indicates even if we do affirm the kids and give them what they say they want so much and put them on that medicalized path, there's no indication that the suicide rate is improved.
00:35:54.000But I want to add here that there are two groups that are being ignored.
00:36:00.000And that is the parents and the detransitioners.
00:36:05.000The young people, the young people who have been through the affirmation, have been through the blocking their puberty, taking opposite sex hormones.
00:36:16.000Their voices have forever, the women, their voices have been lowered.
00:36:53.000This is the other limiting belief where people refuse to believe it's as bad as we say it is because they say, oh, no one could be that evil where you're just chopping kids' parts off and you make them go under multiple hours of surgery to castrate them.
00:37:18.000Well, of course, the profit motive is a big one.
00:37:22.000You have to understand, I want your audience to understand, when kids go on blockers at the age of 10 or 12 years old, 90% or over 90% are then going to go on the opposite sex hormone.
00:37:35.000And that means they are a consumer of pharmaceuticals for life.
00:37:44.000Forget about all the expensive surgeries, of course, that they might also have.
00:37:49.000But to maintain that synthetic persona of looking like a female if you're a male and looking male if you're a female, that's going to take hormones every day of your life.
00:38:03.000So the financial aspect of this is absolutely huge.
00:38:07.000Now, the other thing that we have to mention is the philosophy here that is behind a lot of it, I believe, this philosophy of transhumanism.
00:38:19.000And that's, you know, that's the humanity 2.0.
00:38:24.000It's a philosophy of disembodiment, of rejecting our physical bodies and having a life separate or beyond our physicality.
00:38:38.000Now, this is not something I have any expertise in, but since I have been involved with so many families and I have thought deeply about what, like what you just said, like what the hell is going on here, I have discovered this transhumanism element.
00:38:55.000And I do believe, because if you follow the money, a lot, these, you know, millions and millions of dollars that are being pumped into these programs in hospitals and clinics and sex education, a lot of this money is coming from transhumanists and some of them are transgender themselves.
00:39:16.000So final question, the book is lost in transnation, doctor.
00:39:31.000Because 99% of the institutional places will affirm, will do meds, possibly surgery, and go towards this labyrinth of bad, baseless scientific decisions.
00:39:44.000What is a parent or grandparent to do?
00:39:47.000Okay, you avoid gender clinics, gender affirming clinics and therapists at all costs.
00:39:57.000You can find groups of parents that will support you.
00:40:01.000You can find a therapist that will support you.
00:40:04.000Please go to my website, miriamgrossmanmd.com.
00:40:08.000I have a tab there that says resources.
00:40:11.000I have a list of organizations for parents and for providers that can, you know, that'll give you what you need, that will give you support, that will give you the education that you need.
00:40:24.000And please, my book that's coming out next week, I have seven appendices in the back that will tell parents how to be proactive with schools, how to protect your child from the ideology that's being promoted in the schools.
00:40:40.000Some of these schools are just basically indoctrination centers.
00:40:46.000I have some appendices that are written by attorneys that will help you with all the sorts of legal issues that can come up.
00:40:54.000I have an appendix written on how to get control of your child's internet use.
00:41:01.000And I also have the results of a poll, a survey that I did of parents who are in this situation currently.
00:41:09.000And I asked them, what is your advice to other families who have yet to experience this in their homes?
00:41:16.000And I got responses from 500 parents in 17 different countries.
00:41:22.000And I took that advice and it's there for you to learn from.
00:41:51.000Also, email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:41:53.000The first five people that email us who you think Trump should choose as his vice president, if he's the nominee, will get in the running to win a signed book, The College Scam.