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00:01:44.000This is the most important vote that'll be in this Congress, a defining moment, not just for American conservatism, but for America itself.
00:01:53.000To boil it down to its bare essence, they want to take away all the power from the grassroots movement here, the MAGA movement, and just the American people.
00:02:04.000Right now, the people are the head of the credits community.
00:02:35.000And I can point you to Nancy Mace's Twitter feed.
00:02:37.000I mean, people who are not considered ultra-maga extremists, people are not in the House Freedom Caucus.
00:02:42.000Many of the rising stars that have had McCarthy's blessing heretofore, the Wesley Hunts, the Byron Donalds, the Nancy Maces, they're all coming out and they're eviscerating this because they understand it's not sellable.
00:02:55.000This is an unlimited, this locks in all of Biden's radical plans.
00:03:06.000CNN's showing you as more people understand how the system works, as more people understand how they run these deficits, have the Federal Reserve funded by printing money, and the rest of the world's revolting against that.
00:03:18.000That is how you overthrow the ruling class in this country.
00:03:22.000And they are doing a, this is their redoubt.
00:03:25.000And so they don't want it to be one year.
00:03:28.000So next May, we would have a national conversation during a presidential election.
00:03:33.000The first time in history, we'd have a national conversation about the finances of the country, about this orgy of spending, about our balance sheet, about interest rates, about the Federal Reserve.
00:03:44.000We would actually have a discussion of why we have gone from a republic now to an empire and have a deep, meaningful discussion with the left, with the centrists, and with the right, what this country needs from the people talking about it, not the media puppets, not the uniparty, not the ruling class, not the lords of Wall Street, not the tech oligarchs in Silicon Valley.
00:04:08.000The American people having a frank, detailed, and quite frankly intense conversation at the beginning of a presidential election, the entire presidential campaign would be no, they do not want that.
00:04:19.000So they kick it what they've always do.
00:04:20.000They kick it past the election into 2025.
00:04:23.000More than anything, this shows that they have complete and total contempt for you, for your intelligence.
00:04:44.000There are now dozens of reports up there from Heritage, from Club for Growth, from Freedom Works, from Nancy Mace, from Byron Donalds, people who would not be normally allies of the war room.
00:04:58.000And what everybody should do, because this is what they fear, you should get on the phone, and particularly if you're in a Red District, you should tell your congressman and said, look, let me just cut to the chase.
00:05:50.000I think, look, people have made their own decisions.
00:05:52.000Congressman Massey, like he said last night, as an engineer, he wanted to, you know, as a politician, he wanted to vote against it, but the engineer in him took over, and that's what he voted.
00:06:03.000I think people are very disappointed in that.
00:06:06.000You know, Congressman Massey's a little idiosyncratic, and I think people have to deal with that.
00:06:11.000But more importantly than Massey, we got retraded on the deal.
00:06:14.000The deal at the beginning that they signed off on to have McCarthy as leader, it had to have unanimity, unanimity coming out of the rules committee.
00:06:24.000You had to, you had Coleman, or you had Ralph Norman, and you had Chip Roy, who renosed that was supposed to be able to carry it.
00:06:35.000There was always, it had to be unanimity among the Republicans.
00:06:37.000This was a bait and switch by, because they just suspended the deal they had made because they must do this.
00:07:18.000This is a defining moment in American, modern American political history because we scraped through and got a, we won 10 or 12 seats pickup.
00:07:29.000And from day one of this Congress, this audience, your audience, the populist nationalist MAGA, have exerted tremendous influence, and they hate that every second of the day.
00:07:40.000And so now they have come out with this tissue of lies.
00:07:43.000You have had certain people that are supposedly MAGA in the House Freedom Caucus that are out there trying to hawk the spin.
00:07:49.000Everybody's going to have to weigh and measure that.
00:07:51.000So there'll be plenty of time for accountability after that.
00:07:53.000But I will say this, and particularly for the House Freedom Caucus people and people in red districts, the citizens should weigh and measure it and make your own decision.
00:08:21.000If they believed of the 1.5 trillion to 2.1 trillion, what CBO and all these things are spending, if they believed that there was a penny, not a dollar, not $10, if they believed it was a penny of real savings, of real cuts, they would put a number in the cap.
00:08:38.000They would be very comfortable with that.
00:10:27.000The Warhawks, the neocons that were unwilling to come to the table and budge at all to the sacred cow of the defense budget, which looks more and more as the invade other countries budget.
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00:11:17.000Reports show us that Lindsey Graham was fired up throughout all these negotiations demanding increases to the military budget.
00:11:24.000It's conceivable that we could have got an even better, you know, better deal, domestic spending, all that stuff, if we were willing to actually play ball on the defense budget.
00:11:34.000Steve, we're not negotiating in good faith.
00:11:36.000If we're not willing to actually talk about why do we have military bases in Peru, in Somalia, in every part of the world.
00:11:43.000Because the UNIPA has certain sacrosanct third rail sacred cows you're not allowed to touch, including the Department of Offense, less actually the Department of Defense.
00:11:55.000Well, you know, as a veteran, and I take this very seriously, the defense budget is out of control.
00:12:01.000We have to rethink the entire way that we conduct not just foreign policy, but national security.
00:12:08.000We have to get off of this everything focused on kinetic war.
00:12:11.000We have to start to think of the unrestricted warfare that the Chinese Communist Party is at war with us.
00:12:15.000That's information warfare, cyber warfare, and particularly economic warfare.
00:12:19.000We can bring down the existential threat, the greatest existential threat we have besides, as President Trump would say, the administrative and deep state here in our own nation, the Leviathan, the Chinese Communist Party.
00:12:30.000And I've had experts on the show in six months cutting off from capital and technology in the United States, our market, our capital markets, and a technology.
00:12:49.000Because when you look at the real, all of it from the different departments, over a trillion dollars today, we cannot have a trillion-dollar defense budget.
00:12:58.000We've got to go in and start to think this through.
00:13:00.000And this is, in a sense, that we know we have to win the war against Taiwan in Taiwan to defend Taiwan and the chip factories against the CCP, whether we like it or not.
00:13:12.000But this has to be a totally rethinking.
00:13:15.000And the defense budget, I say this as a hawk, but not a neocon, that we must rethink the defense budget.
00:13:22.000And that should be the first thing on the table to actually have meaningful, smart cuts on where we don't do.
00:13:29.000And the profits of the war profiteers at the defense industry is absolutely incredible and unsatisfactory.
00:13:37.000And Steve, but bigger than every one of those geopolitical threats that Lindsey Graham wants us to believe in, oh, Putin's going to invade Newark, New Jersey tomorrow, is our debt.
00:13:48.000The debt is a national security crisis.
00:13:50.000The national debt is the true threat to our sovereignty.
00:13:54.000I mean, we have existential threats to our sovereignty, 10,000 people coming across the border, but the spending discipline, if you want to actually defend the nation, then get some fiscal sanity and spending discipline.
00:14:07.000Unrestricted warfare is the manual printed in the late 90s by the two brilliant Chinese communist colonels in the PLA that walked through the entire war against the West.
00:14:17.000And central to that is economic warfare.
00:14:20.000The national debt, the interest payments upon it, and plus the low productivity, what this is going to do is not simply the debt and the crowding out effect of having to finance these borrowings.
00:14:31.000It's the fact of, has your nation gotten any better?
00:14:34.000Have you seen the use of proceeds that go into new railroads, that going to new airports, that go into new infrastructure?
00:14:45.000It's just the way that the system works to spread this money out to everybody and to have phony economic growth, not real productivity economic growth based upon free market capitalism.
00:14:56.000This is the debt and the system that leads you to the debt is one of the most, if not the most significant national security.
00:15:04.000All of our allies, including all the third world, is running away from us, including the Saudis.
00:15:10.000The Saudis just, yeah, they said they want to be part of the BRICS, which is that kind of developing nations, you know, Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, now Saudi Arabia and others, because they said, hey, we control the national resources and we do everything in dollars and you're devaluing this as we go.
00:15:50.000And in some ways, look, both parties created this mess.
00:15:53.000But this audience right now, you know, the war room posse, the people that watch us here on Real America's Voice, they're balancing their budgets.
00:16:00.000They keep their credit card debt under control.
00:16:03.000They're not spending with reckless abandon.
00:16:09.000There is a disconnect between the working man and woman, their virtue, their principle, their integrity, and the lack thereof of the people in D.C. Ruling class has taken out a second mortgage on you.
00:16:21.000You owe $250,000, all of you, and your families.
00:16:24.000They've taken out a second mortgage under your name, and you're paying for it in taxes and lost productivity and growth in the American economy.
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00:19:04.000Joining us now is one of my favorite senators, and I can tell you he's a man of integrity, and he's really been special, and I'm honored to call him a friend.
00:19:19.000Everyone's talking about McCarthy v. Biden, McCarthy v. But we have to remember there's an upper chamber, and it really hasn't received that much attention or involvement, which I find to be interesting because you still need a 60-vote threshold, from what I understand, to raise the debt ceiling.
00:19:35.000Maybe that's changed because of Senate rules.
00:19:37.000So, Senator, how do you stand on this debt ceiling bill?
00:19:39.000And more broadly, how do your colleagues stand?
00:19:42.000Charlie, this was a big missed opportunity.
00:19:45.000Now, I'm not going to refer to it yet in the past tense.
00:19:49.000There's still time, still time for Americans to demand something better and for Republicans to stand for what they promised they would stand for if given the chance to lead.
00:20:00.000But this was a series of missed opportunities followed up by a series of badly communicated errors.
00:20:08.000In other words, they failed to negotiate even a small fraction of what we promised to deliver.
00:20:13.000And having so failed, they've then repackaged this in a form that they're presenting to the American people as doing things that it doesn't do.
00:20:22.000It claims to save a whole lot of money.
00:20:43.000Number one, it didn't solve the underlying problem, the unconstitutionality of executive branch agencies passing laws without the assent of the American people's elected representatives.
00:20:53.000But it also contains a provision that renders it all moot.
00:20:58.000It contains a provision, Section 265 of the bill says that the Biden OMB director has complete discretion to decide not to comply.
00:21:08.000So time after time, when I see something promised in the bill to the American people, when I read the actual text, some annoying habit that I have, it doesn't do what it claims to do.
00:21:21.000So, Senator, I want to just read some of the talking points that Jim Jordan and Thomas Massey and others, people that you and I really respect, are saying.
00:21:29.000They're saying that this puts the IRS agent funding in suspension.
00:21:34.000They're saying this is a $2 trillion cut.
00:21:36.000Senator, some of this is kind of Washington, D.C. spending news speak.
00:21:41.000And again, I'm not a legislative expert with this stuff.
00:21:43.000There's some things that I would consider myself to be an expert on, such as debating left-wingers on critical race theory, Marxism.
00:22:50.000As far as the future caps that they have in mind, those are largely unenforceable, especially after we get outside of the first two years.
00:22:59.000Those are things that Congress could choose to ignore without any consequence and without any difficulty at all.
00:23:05.000So as far as I can tell, the only thing that this saves involves some of the clawbacks of these unspent COVID funds.
00:23:11.000We're talking somewhere in the range of $6 to $12 billion.
00:23:15.000By contrast, the limit, save, grow bill that was passed by the House about a month ago, which wasn't perfect, but I applauded it and was ready to vote for it eagerly, that would have saved us in year one alone something along the order of a trillion dollars,
00:23:31.000well over a trillion dollars if you take into account the cost savings from the Green New Deal-styled tax credits that were put in place in the Inflation Reduction Act and in the bipartisan infrastructure bill.
00:24:08.000And so what that means is you've got to have not only every single Democrat, and think about how sad this is, by the way.
00:24:15.000We had every or nearly every Republican in the Senate ready to vote for limit, save, grow.
00:24:21.000And if we had focused on that and said that was the deal, that was on the table, something like that at least, we could have forced the Democrats to produce the additional 11, 12, 13 votes to get over the threshold.
00:24:34.000And instead, we start from a premise, which is always where we seem to get when we have a badly negotiated deal, where we start with the premise that all 51 Democrats in the Senate are, of course, going to be for this, because why wouldn't they be?
00:24:57.000That means all they have to do is get nine Republicans to join with the 51 Democrats.
00:25:03.000If they can get at least nine, this thing gets done.
00:25:06.000But remember, Republicans could stop this.
00:25:08.000And this is why I wrote a letter a few weeks ago.
00:25:11.000It was signed by 43 Republicans in the Senate saying that we would oppose cloture.
00:25:17.000That is, we would stop them on the 60-vote threshold vote if they tried to raise the debt ceiling with anything that didn't bring about substantive spending and budgetary reforms.
00:25:30.000Now, I believe this doesn't satisfy that, and it's one of the reasons why I plan to oppose this.
00:25:36.000I'm going to propose amendments, trying to improve it, try to make it better.
00:25:40.000Assuming that we're not able to make it better, I will oppose it, and I hope that my Republican colleagues will as well.
00:25:46.000So, I mean, just speculation, do you anticipate it passing the Senate just based on kind of a, let's just say, walkthrough of the chatter in the hallway?
00:25:57.000Yeah, my gut sense at this point, based on chatter in the hallway, is that it's likely going to pass.
00:26:01.000But there's a lot that has to happen between now and when those votes occur in the Senate.
00:26:07.000It's going to have to withstand some amendment votes.
00:26:10.000And if not, we're going to draw out the time to a degree that my colleagues aren't going to like.
00:26:16.000But once we get through those amendment votes, the picture might look a little bit different, especially as people continue to hear from their constituents who are understandably concerned about this deal.
00:26:26.000Look, it takes 41 senators, just 41 senators.
00:26:47.000If this passes, it will be because enough Republicans helped the Democrats to get this passed.
00:26:52.000Strangely enough, though, the opposition to the bill from the Senate, Senator, is not along the framework that you're articulating.
00:26:58.000Senator Lindsey Graham is saying that he wants to oppose it, but he might vote for it because it doesn't spend enough on foreign aid and military adventures abroad.
00:27:10.000Senator, I have so much respect for you because you're a realist here and you also believe that waste, fraud, and abuse does not stop immediately just because you're going to go buy a missile or have a $5,000 hammer.
00:27:21.000You know, you're a realist at all parts of the budget.
00:27:24.000Senator, can you just offer some context with, I know, full respect for your colleagues of how there's a philosophical difference amongst most Republicans that say they do not want to touch the defense budget at all.
00:27:36.000And I'm afraid that does a disservice to our message of fiscal discipline when we're not willing to touch the sacred cow of the Department of Defense.
00:27:45.000Yeah, first of all, let me say, Charlie, that anyone in the Republican conference or in the Democratic Conference for that matter who has concerns about the bill, I respect that and I want to encourage people taking a skeptical view toward the bill.
00:28:00.000So I'm glad to have anyone joining me, even if it's for a different reason than I would propose.
00:28:03.000Secondly, I believe that defense is one of the most important things the United States government can do.
00:28:11.000It's one of the few things that only we can do and that we must do.
00:28:15.000But at the end of the day, our ability to do the few things that only the United States government can do and that we have to do is impaired when we take on too many other responsibilities that don't have anything to do with what the United States government is supposed to do.
00:28:31.000So if we really want to get a handle on this, we need to control spending.
00:28:36.000And if we don't do that, our ability to fund every one of our true priorities, including and especially national defense, which happens to be one of our largest obligations, appropriately so, is diminished.
00:28:49.000In just a few years, we could find ourselves spending more on interest on our national debt than we spend on national defense.
00:28:58.000That's going to really impair our ability to do everything that needs to be done.
00:29:03.000So that's why I would ask all within the sound of my voice, including and especially those concerned about defense spending.
00:29:08.000If you want to have money to spend on defense, for the love of this great country, step forward and express your concerns with this bill.
00:29:17.000This bill, look, if it did all the things that its lead proponents are claiming that it does, I might well vote for it, but it doesn't.
00:29:28.000And when you read it, you see it's a whole lot of smoke and a whole lot of mirrors, not a lot of cuts at all.
00:29:34.000Senator, you are honest across the board, and our audience appreciates it.
00:29:38.000If we are going to be this party of fiscal discipline, then we must be willing to also talk about why do we have military bases in every hemisphere in every country, which, by the way, the failure to cut spending, the failure to balance our budget, is a much bigger national security risk than some third world jungle tribe that might be emerging in Peru.
00:30:01.000It's a bigger national security risk that we don't have a strong dollar and that we can't balance our budget.
00:30:06.000That right there is an existential risk to our Republic.
00:30:43.000Yes, I think it really is the trans thing.
00:30:46.000The trans thing has gone so far, it's primal, it's going after kids.
00:30:51.000It is far more animating than the race stuff.
00:30:55.000Now, the race stuff, I believe, is equally as pernicious, equally as dangerous to the Republic, to our core values, to the promise of the West, than almost anything else out there.
00:31:08.000But the race stuff, people get a little uncomfortable with.
00:31:11.00010 years ago, 11 years ago, actually, in the summer of 2012, I remember it vividly, Chick-fil-A was attacked by the left for not coming out in favor of gay marriage.
00:31:20.000Mike Huckabee and others, the great Mike Huckabee, did a pro-Chick-fil-A day of support.
00:31:24.000I remember going to the Chick-fil-A in Schaumburg, Illinois, and standing in line amongst fellow patriots.
00:31:30.000And we bought our food and all as a show of solidarity to try to say, you know what, Chick-fil-A is one of us.
00:31:36.000They refused to go along with the alphabet mafia pride stuff, and that was 10 years ago.
00:31:43.000And Chick-fil-A was criticized when they opened a store in downtown Manhattan as being a hate group.
00:32:02.000Look, Chick-fil-A is a Christian company.
00:32:04.000I'm not here to question the faith of Dan Cathy.
00:32:07.000I'm not here to question the faith of the people that run Chick-fil-A.
00:32:10.000By all accounts, I'm told that they are dutiful Christians and they believe in the Bible and praise God for that.
00:32:17.000But I think they were traumatized to the attacks when they say they stood for traditional marriage, one man, one woman marriage.
00:32:23.000And they were looking for an opening and an opportunity to try to regain some likability amongst the secular Marxists.
00:32:35.000Now, you could call it naivete, I will not.
00:32:37.000You could call it weakness, which I will, but you also could show it the embracing of a serpent ideology, which is DEI.
00:32:45.000Now, during Floyd Apalooza, during the summer of 2020, Dan Cathy, the CEO, and I remember this clip, and now it's finally getting attention again, came out with this just repulsive line of reasoning that we as white people must feel shame and humiliation.
00:33:05.000And he goes on to shine the shoes of a black man next to him, playing into all the false premises of race politics and sectarianism and tribalism and race essentialism.
00:33:21.000And at that revival on the front seat was an older African-American, young older African-American American man that was sitting there.
00:33:30.000And this young man got up that was there in that service, and he'd been so gripped with conviction about the racism that was in that local community, a small town in Texas, that he took a shoebrush and he walked over to this elderly gentleman and he knelt on his knees and he began to shine his shoes.
00:33:55.000And so any expressions of a contrite heart, of a sense of humility, a sense of shame, a sense of embarrassment, begin with an apologetic heart.
00:34:08.000There's another clip where he actually goes and shines the shoes of a black man.
00:34:12.000I do not have time to get into DEI, but right now, Chick-fil-A has on their website a diversity, equity, inclusion director.
00:34:22.000There is no compromising with this, okay?
00:34:24.000Diversity, equity, inclusion is a Marxist, anti-white, anti-Western project.
00:34:53.000But here's what is most disappointing about the Chick-fil-A thing, and why I'm speaking out against it, and I encourage you to as well, is that when I first got into this, when I started Turning Point USA, Chick-fil-A was on our team.
00:35:06.000Chick-fil-A was strong, and they were in our corner.
00:35:09.000So I hold them to a higher standard than Northface.
00:35:13.000I hold them to a standard that you should be in the trenches, not pandering to race politics or DEI or CRT, but rejecting that repulsive ideology.
00:35:25.000And it's disappointing beyond words to see a company that was once on our team act like the people we're fighting.
00:35:35.000Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:35:36.000Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:35:40.000Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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