00:01:23.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:31.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:55.000She was a stoic, wise, and phenomenal leader in public life for 70 years, never had a misstep, never had a scandal.
00:02:06.000She loved her country, and she saw she entered one world, and when she passed away, it was a completely different world.
00:02:14.000Her passing, of course, has basically had every single apparatchic on social media, not every single one, but a lot of the apparatchiks on social media say that she was representing a genocidal colonialist empire, all this nonsense, which I think actually opens an opportunity for us to defend British colonialism.
00:02:38.000This is something that you will not hear on a college campus, but I think it's time to lean in and defend our friends across the pond.
00:02:47.000And no better person to help us do this than someone who has published extensively on this topic, actually has published a piece, The Case for Colonialism, a response to my critics by Professor Bruce Gilly.
00:03:06.000So, Professor, walk us through your argument, the case for colonialism.
00:03:10.000That is a thought crime to say in decent and public society today.
00:03:15.000As we remember the Queen of England and her passing, it seems appropriate to talk about the British Empire.
00:03:21.000Why is colonialism something that we should defend?
00:03:25.000All the empirical data shows very clearly that if you were colonized, in particular, if you were colonized by the British, and the longer they colonized you and the more intensely they colonized you, the more you are likely to be democratic, developed, stable, law-abiding, and free society today.
00:03:45.000The empirical evidence is a slam dunk, and there's no doubt about it.
00:03:50.000There's lots of things I've put out there showing this.
00:03:53.000Nobody really debates that, but of course, the critics are all from the Faculty of Film Studies and flower design.
00:04:00.000So they don't actually have the capability to understand facts and data.
00:04:04.000But if you're on the social science side, like I am, you know, it's this dirty secret.
00:04:07.000We all know this, but nobody's allowed to admit it because, as you say, that's a thought crime on campus.
00:04:12.000The second reason is not just was it good, but the people knew it was good and it was legitimate.
00:04:18.000And the reason colonialism, especially British colonialism, survived and thrived as long as it did is because it was essentially carried out by the colonized, not by the British.
00:04:27.000There were a few white guys hanging around, but most of the colonial police, officials, legislators, judges were the people in the colonies themselves.
00:04:36.000And they knew from their own pasts that life had got immeasurably better once the British arrived.
00:04:42.000And the tragedy, of course, is it got immeasurably worse as soon as the British left.
00:04:48.000So there is almost an incantation that exists on these campuses, Berkeley.
00:04:53.000I know that you're up at Portland State, wherever I speak, they will always revert back to colonialist rule and the massacring of indigenous people.
00:05:02.000That is not the case of the British Empire.
00:05:05.000They might be conflating it with other empires, maybe, you know, conquests or attempts of the Portuguese or the Spanish.
00:05:14.000In fact, they did everything they possibly could to institute the rule of law, habeas corpus, respect for the individual.
00:05:22.000Tell our audience about the legacy that the British Empire left and really helped develop the modern world as we know it.
00:05:32.000Yeah, so I mean, on the question of violence, of course, what they do is they say, well, any form of colonialism is itself evil.
00:05:38.000Therefore, every time a British policeman in Kenya arrests a thief, that's genocidal because that's violence, right?
00:05:46.000So they don't make a distinction between justified and legitimate use of force, like with a police or counter-terrorist operations, which the British had a lot of.
00:05:57.000They had a lot of that because there were a lot of elite traditionalists who liked to engage in slave raiding and plundering and enslavement of other tribes.
00:06:05.000And they didn't like the fact that the British imposed this civic institutions on these places because it basically deprived them of their traditional prerogatives.
00:06:14.000So what the British did in these places was not only create the civic institutions, the rule of law, the property rights, the equal access to the political system, the expansion of rights, especially for minorities and women, right?
00:06:29.000But, you know, at a more fundamental level, the British created these nations.
00:06:33.000So when people say they colonized us, it's a joke because there was no us until the British came.
00:06:40.000There were a bunch of internecine slaving feuds going on, or you were actually in the hands of another alien empire that wasn't the white man, but it was much worse.
00:06:51.000So when people say they colonized us, it's not correct.
00:06:54.000They colonized the territory and created you as a nation.
00:06:58.000And places like Kenya and Nigeria are Kenya and Nigeria because the British were there.
00:07:03.000So a counter argument people would say is that we can't even have a conversation, and you kind of alluded to this, to the fruits of benign or benevolent colonialism, because colonialism itself is an act of aggression.
00:07:17.000This is such a sloppy argument because it ignores the fact that every major power prior to the British Empire tried to become an empire themselves.
00:07:36.000You conquered lands and you tried to benefit the motherland.
00:07:40.000Britain went about it a different way, where they said, okay, we're going to build an empire, but there is a through line here where we're going to try to respect local traditions, but also bring in a philosophy and a thought process that actually might improve these parts of the world.
00:07:58.000Can you talk about how these people that say, oh, colonialism is awful and terrible, it's the same sort of sloppy argument that they use towards slavery, where they ignore that every single mass power prior to the British Empire participated in much more brutal colonialism than them, but it was the British Empire that actually changed it.
00:08:20.000I mean, slavery and empire are the norm in human history.
00:08:23.000And every society, especially African societies, were endemic for being slaving and empire building.
00:08:33.000I mean, all of Southern Africa is basically an empire of the Bantu who now claim that they're the indigenous peoples.
00:08:39.000It was the Bantu who kicked the Afrikaners out of South Africa, which is kind of a joke because the Bantu themselves had come in and systematically exterminated the indigenous peoples of South Africa.
00:08:49.000But they claimed they were being colonized by the Afrikaners.
00:08:53.000So, yes, empire and slavery are the norms in human civilization.
00:08:57.000Along come the British and to some extent, the French and the Dutch in this kind of early 19th century.
00:09:03.000And what's happening is these countries themselves are starting to develop these classic liberal norms about individual rights, about property rights, about political participation, about accountability, about freedoms and whatnot.
00:09:17.000And they can't help but share those ideas with their colonies.
00:09:22.000Indeed, you know, their argument is we're not racists.
00:09:26.000And the evidence that we're not racist is we think everyone can benefit from these same institutions, right?
00:09:31.000I mean, colonialism, in my mind, was the greatest anti-racist program in world history because it was the first time any empire said, we think everybody has the potential to benefit from the excellent institutions we've developed.
00:09:45.000So the kind of dilemma of colonialism was it was essentially a self-liquidating enterprise is that once you start spreading those ideas and those institutions, it's going to be natural that those people are going to start taking an interest in their own self-government.
00:10:01.000And that's what happened in this country.
00:10:03.000And it happened in all those colonial countries too.
00:10:05.000And so when Queen Elizabeth comes to power, I mean, the fruits of British colonialism are ripening as these places develop this desire for self-government.
00:10:16.000And that's the greatest testament to British colonialism.
00:10:19.000I want to talk about the significance and the importance of this argument because a lot of the radical revolutionary fervor is built on this false premise.
00:10:28.000Because they say, if colonialism, therefore, reparations, property confiscation, therefore we can disentangle ourselves from Western tradition.
00:10:37.000So it's very important that we have a focused argument here.
00:10:40.000It's not just some sort of academic debate.
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00:12:14.000I think that colonial people should pay massive reparations to the British people for all of the public goods the British provided to them and the tax monies the British provided to them.
00:12:23.000Actually, I don't think that's a good idea.
00:12:24.000But I think if you're going to talk reparations, the reparations are going in the other way for sure.
00:12:30.000I mean, just look at the gap in income and life expectancy levels between places that are British colonies, that were British colonies and places were not.
00:12:38.000I mean, do you want to live in the Bahamas or do you want to live in Haiti?
00:12:41.000I mean, these comparisons are just epic and the gift of British colonialism was huge.
00:12:48.000And the genocide thing is funny too, because, you know, this is a modern woke.
00:12:53.000We call these the woke grandchildren of the colonial subjects, right?
00:12:57.000The colonial peoples at the time never thought of this as anything but legitimate use of force by horrible warlords and terrorists.
00:13:07.000So for instance, in Kenya, when a small segment of the Kikyuyu group rose up and started murdering the white farmers who were the bedrock of the food supply in Kenya, and the British appropriately set up a counterinsurgency campaign that was overwhelmingly and massively staffed by Kenyans, including Kikuyu Kenyans, right?
00:13:29.000The Kenyans saw this as an amazingly great British contribution.
00:13:33.000The first president of Kenya praised the British counterinsurgency campaign.
00:13:39.000I mean, this was seen as a gift of the British to establish stability and the rule of law and to fight against criminals and terrorists.
00:13:48.000And it's only with the passing of that generation and then maybe one more that you get these grandchildren suddenly talking about how they're victims and how their grandparents were victims and demanding reparations for alleged victimization.
00:14:00.000I mean, it's complete modern fabrication, and it doesn't represent the views of the colonized peoples at the time.
00:14:07.000So in closing here, Professor, I want to ask, why is it that the British Empire acted the way they did, but maybe French or the Spanish or the Portuguese might have been less successful?
00:14:18.000What made the British approach different?
00:14:20.000Well, the Spanish and Portuguese, of course, is a different era altogether.
00:14:25.000It's a different world, different norms, different expectations.
00:14:28.000So I don't think we want to compare those.
00:14:30.000But, you know, 19th century, 20th century, British, French, Belgian, Portuguese, Indonesian, German colonialism, we can all compare those very similarly.
00:14:39.000And it's true that the British often did better, but it's partly just because the British had a bigger empire.
00:14:44.000They had more kind of best practices circulating.
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00:16:13.000Many of you know I've been rather upset the last couple of days as the Democrat regime continues to pick off conservative leader after conservative leader.
00:16:25.000Their strategy is not to win at the ballot box, not to win through debate or dialogue or discussion.
00:16:30.000Indict Steve Bannon, indict Peter Navarro, raid James O'Keefe's apartment, raid Donald Trump's home.
00:16:36.000And I've been saying we need Republican attorney generals to be committed to the rule of law, but to go after the criminals in the Democrat Party, to indict them, to investigate them.
00:16:49.000Because we see so many of these crimes happening, and if that does not happen, they're not going to slow down.
00:17:23.000Our audience is fired up because we keep on seeing the abuse of the rule of law, which, of course, we're not calling for on this program, whether it be a DA in Fulton County or the Manhattan District Attorney, they are going after conservatives for a very specific purpose, and they feel as if there is no recourse.
00:18:03.000The legislature has never given me the authority, and the attorney general has never had the authority to have original criminal jurisdiction.
00:18:10.000So, for instance, there was a case I was investigating.
00:18:13.000It was referred by the Travis County District Attorney.
00:18:16.000I was investigating the FBI and the Department of Justice for potential violations of state and federal law.
00:18:22.000I couldn't do anything about federal law, but we had some issues that we thought were legitimate.
00:18:26.000And sure enough, they started putting pressure on my office, and the DA backed out, and my authority went away.
00:18:32.000So, it's very challenging in many states.
00:18:34.000The attorney general doesn't have the authority, and some they do.
00:18:38.000For instance, New York, where this is all going on, it's a liberal state.
00:19:19.000As a matter of fact, my investigation stopped when I knew for a fact, and then they turned it around and started investigating me as soon as I couldn't do anything anymore.
00:20:31.000Once they start, they try to look at everything you've ever done in your entire life and find some way that they can go raid your home and put you in jail and indict you.
00:20:42.000Yeah, so I guess my other question then is: what do you think the game plan is here?
00:20:46.000Because we need equal application of justice.
00:21:27.000Second, my state desperately needs to have grand jury reform, desperately needs to have reform so that I have concurrent jurisdiction and I can go deal with issues like this.
00:21:38.000If we don't, literally, Travis County, Bexar County, San Antonio, all these liberal counties where Soros has basically put the DAs in place are weaponized against us.
00:21:49.000And there's literally a legislator as a sitting duck too in Texas, including for voter fraud.
00:21:54.000We can't even prosecute voter fraud anymore.
00:21:59.000If our legislature does not resolve this in the upcoming session, I don't know if we can remain a Republican state with the disadvantage that we're at right now.
00:22:07.000This is very powerful stuff, everybody.
00:22:43.000I had a state senator call me, a Republican state senator in the Houston area saying, hey, I need you to investigate a public official who's a Democrat who's committing crimes.
00:23:40.000So the call to action really is that in this next upcoming session, the Texas legislature has to change the law to give the Attorney General of Texas grand jury and prosecutorial authority.
00:23:53.000Is that prosecutorial or authority or ability?
00:23:55.000Would that be an appropriate or prudent change?
00:23:58.000Yeah, there needs to be some type of concurrent jurisdiction so there's some accountability for these DAs because right now they can do whatever they want, including, I mean, how could I stop them if they decided to commit crimes or be a part of it or just authorize it?
00:24:11.000There's nobody that can do anything about it.
00:24:18.000They are the law under themselves and they can actually decide, and they do this in Texas and in these liberal counties, they don't follow Texas law and enforce Texas law.
00:24:26.000They say, well, we're not going to prosecute for stoplifting, even though it's a crime.
00:24:29.000We're not going to prosecute for this abortion, even though it's a crime.
00:24:32.000We're not going to prosecute for this, this, and this.
00:24:35.000We decide with the laws, not the legislature.
00:24:37.000And the legislature, if they don't address this, they're not really making laws that matter because the DA is going to walk and do whatever they want.
00:24:45.000So this is very, very helpful, I think, for our audience that these local district attorneys, in some ways, have power and authority that the Attorney General of Texas does not have.
00:25:03.000Yeah, so I have the right to sue on civil matters, you know, to represent the state against corporations that are committing fraud, to represent the state in issues with the federal government.
00:25:12.000I even had for 71 years from 1951 on, we had the authority to prosecute one thing, which is voter fraud.
00:25:18.000And our Republican Criminal Court of Appeals 8-1 struck down that statute saying that it's a separation of powers that the attorney general, because he's in the executive branch, doesn't have the authority to go to court.
00:25:27.000Now, tell me that's not the most ludicrous thing.
00:25:29.000That would mean that no attorney general in any state could go to court if they're right about that theory.
00:25:35.000They, I believe, some of those guys on that Republican court, because we have a bifurcated system, and that Republican court controls all criminal matters.
00:25:45.000And I believe that Soros worked on that court too, because nobody knows who's on that court.
00:25:49.000Even most Republican lawyers don't know who's on the criminal court of appeals.
00:25:53.000And now, supposedly, I can't prosecute voter fraud, which means, again, we're back to local DAs in Travis County and Bear County and Houston and Dallas.
00:26:01.000They get to decide whether voter fraud is prosecuted.
00:26:05.000And anybody can cheat as much as they want.
00:26:07.000Yeah, I mean, these laws have to change.
00:26:09.000And I mean, Soros and all these people are so smart.
00:26:12.000So they have the Manhattan District Attorney that goes and indicts Steve Bannon, which is far away from even the incident they're saying.
00:26:21.000They're saying it's the border wall thing, all this kind of nonsense.
00:26:24.000And after he was pardoned by the president of the United States, and so what you're articulating here, which is very helpful for me, and I think for people in our audience, is it's not just the Department of Justice top down.
00:26:36.000George Soros has also funded it from the bottom up that they're able to control these local jurisdictions.
00:26:43.000And, okay, we have the Attorney General's office in Texas of which you can sue.
00:26:47.000So, you know, you could sue BLM, which a lot of state attorney attorneys general have been doing.
00:26:52.000And they've been suing for potential fraud or for potential embezzlement and all this.
00:27:11.000We better reform it soon or we're going to lose the country.
00:27:13.000And I get told all the time by my attorneys not to talk about this because they'll come after me.
00:27:18.000Well, they've already come after me and they will come after me.
00:27:20.000And so I know if we don't speak out as Americans and we don't speak out strongly and do it unafraid, even if we're afraid, we have to speak out or they will take over.
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00:29:43.000Yeah, I mean, but shouldn't they be greeting it with open arms and say, be so excited?
00:29:47.000And they should be so, I mean, this is now a situation where the rest of the states, they've always talked about how they're sanctuary cities and all this.
00:29:54.000Now they have to start to feel the pain that Texas has been feeling.
00:29:59.000I mean, they're dealing with like, and I think in D.C., a few thousand, a few hundred in Chicago, a few hundred in New York, maybe a thousand in New York.
00:30:40.000No, I think what Greg Abbott is doing is correct.
00:30:43.000I think that he should send even more than that.
00:30:45.000In fact, I call for the governor of Texas to send them back to Mexico or wherever they came from, but I don't think he's quite ready for that yet.
00:30:52.000And then building the wall and all that.
00:30:54.000But it's something, and it is, from a PR perspective, rather brilliant because it is exposing the liberal hypocrisy of how they always say diversity is our strength until we actually have to deal with it.
00:31:05.000Yeah, maybe you should go down to the Rio Grande Valley and recognize that that bus that you think is such an inconvenience, Texas has, how many is it?
00:32:11.000I mean, we saw that Trump policies work to reduce immigration, illegal immigration, significantly.
00:32:16.000And the Biden administration said, we're getting rid of everything that worked-from the wall to all the laws that we're supposed to follow.
00:32:23.000We're going to make our own laws, and we're going to get the cartels sending these people in.
00:32:28.000The cartels are making billions of dollars every month, and the Biden administration's in partnership with them.
00:32:33.000Ken Paxton, the Attorney General of Texas, I learned a lot here.
00:32:37.000And I think it's time that we start to recognize and realize if we don't reform some of these laws to be able to hold the criminals on the left accountable, they're not going to stop.
00:32:45.000And for some of you in the audience who might say, oh, they're never going to come after me.
00:32:49.000Oh, yeah, well, they have 87,000 new IRS agents that might be visiting your business, your home, your church sometime soon.