The Charlie Kirk Show - A Defense of British Colonialism? With Prof. Bruce Gilley

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, is colonialism a good thing?

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00:01:52.000 Everyone heard the news yesterday.

00:01:54.000 Queen Elizabeth passed away.

00:01:55.000 She was a stoic, wise, and phenomenal leader in public life for 70 years, never had a misstep, never had a scandal.

00:02:06.000 She loved her country, and she saw she entered one world, and when she passed away, it was a completely different world.

00:02:14.000 Her passing, of course, has basically had every single apparatchic on social media, not every single one, but a lot of the apparatchiks on social media say that she was representing a genocidal colonialist empire, all this nonsense, which I think actually opens an opportunity for us to defend British colonialism.

00:02:36.000 This is a contrarian take.

00:02:38.000 This is something that you will not hear on a college campus, but I think it's time to lean in and defend our friends across the pond.

00:02:47.000 And no better person to help us do this than someone who has published extensively on this topic, actually has published a piece, The Case for Colonialism, a response to my critics by Professor Bruce Gilly.

00:03:00.000 And he joins us right now.

00:03:01.000 Professor, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:03:04.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:03:05.000 It's great to be here.

00:03:06.000 So, Professor, walk us through your argument, the case for colonialism.

00:03:10.000 That is a thought crime to say in decent and public society today.

00:03:15.000 As we remember the Queen of England and her passing, it seems appropriate to talk about the British Empire.

00:03:21.000 Why is colonialism something that we should defend?

00:03:25.000 All the empirical data shows very clearly that if you were colonized, in particular, if you were colonized by the British, and the longer they colonized you and the more intensely they colonized you, the more you are likely to be democratic, developed, stable, law-abiding, and free society today.

00:03:45.000 The empirical evidence is a slam dunk, and there's no doubt about it.

00:03:50.000 There's lots of things I've put out there showing this.

00:03:53.000 Nobody really debates that, but of course, the critics are all from the Faculty of Film Studies and flower design.

00:04:00.000 So they don't actually have the capability to understand facts and data.

00:04:04.000 But if you're on the social science side, like I am, you know, it's this dirty secret.

00:04:07.000 We all know this, but nobody's allowed to admit it because, as you say, that's a thought crime on campus.

00:04:12.000 The second reason is not just was it good, but the people knew it was good and it was legitimate.

00:04:18.000 And the reason colonialism, especially British colonialism, survived and thrived as long as it did is because it was essentially carried out by the colonized, not by the British.

00:04:27.000 There were a few white guys hanging around, but most of the colonial police, officials, legislators, judges were the people in the colonies themselves.

00:04:36.000 And they knew from their own pasts that life had got immeasurably better once the British arrived. 0.84

00:04:42.000 And the tragedy, of course, is it got immeasurably worse as soon as the British left.

00:04:48.000 So there is almost an incantation that exists on these campuses, Berkeley.

00:04:53.000 I know that you're up at Portland State, wherever I speak, they will always revert back to colonialist rule and the massacring of indigenous people.

00:05:02.000 That is not the case of the British Empire.

00:05:05.000 They might be conflating it with other empires, maybe, you know, conquests or attempts of the Portuguese or the Spanish.

00:05:12.000 But the British were very benign.

00:05:14.000 In fact, they did everything they possibly could to institute the rule of law, habeas corpus, respect for the individual.

00:05:22.000 Tell our audience about the legacy that the British Empire left and really helped develop the modern world as we know it.

00:05:32.000 Yeah, so I mean, on the question of violence, of course, what they do is they say, well, any form of colonialism is itself evil.

00:05:38.000 Therefore, every time a British policeman in Kenya arrests a thief, that's genocidal because that's violence, right?

00:05:46.000 So they don't make a distinction between justified and legitimate use of force, like with a police or counter-terrorist operations, which the British had a lot of.

00:05:57.000 They had a lot of that because there were a lot of elite traditionalists who liked to engage in slave raiding and plundering and enslavement of other tribes.

00:06:05.000 And they didn't like the fact that the British imposed this civic institutions on these places because it basically deprived them of their traditional prerogatives.

00:06:14.000 So what the British did in these places was not only create the civic institutions, the rule of law, the property rights, the equal access to the political system, the expansion of rights, especially for minorities and women, right?

00:06:27.000 They were the big beneficiaries here.

00:06:29.000 But, you know, at a more fundamental level, the British created these nations.

00:06:33.000 So when people say they colonized us, it's a joke because there was no us until the British came.

00:06:40.000 There were a bunch of internecine slaving feuds going on, or you were actually in the hands of another alien empire that wasn't the white man, but it was much worse.

00:06:51.000 So when people say they colonized us, it's not correct.

00:06:54.000 They colonized the territory and created you as a nation.

00:06:58.000 And places like Kenya and Nigeria are Kenya and Nigeria because the British were there. 0.99

00:07:03.000 So a counter argument people would say is that we can't even have a conversation, and you kind of alluded to this, to the fruits of benign or benevolent colonialism, because colonialism itself is an act of aggression.

00:07:17.000 This is such a sloppy argument because it ignores the fact that every major power prior to the British Empire tried to become an empire themselves.

00:07:26.000 I mean, this was the goal.

00:07:29.000 This was in the kind of muscle memory of leaders from Alexander the Great to Julius Caesar.

00:07:29.000 This was the ambition.

00:07:35.000 It's what you did.

00:07:36.000 You conquered lands and you tried to benefit the motherland.

00:07:40.000 Britain went about it a different way, where they said, okay, we're going to build an empire, but there is a through line here where we're going to try to respect local traditions, but also bring in a philosophy and a thought process that actually might improve these parts of the world.

00:07:58.000 Can you talk about how these people that say, oh, colonialism is awful and terrible, it's the same sort of sloppy argument that they use towards slavery, where they ignore that every single mass power prior to the British Empire participated in much more brutal colonialism than them, but it was the British Empire that actually changed it.

00:08:17.000 Please, please elaborate on that.

00:08:19.000 Yeah, so you're absolutely right.

00:08:20.000 I mean, slavery and empire are the norm in human history. 0.54

00:08:23.000 And every society, especially African societies, were endemic for being slaving and empire building. 1.00

00:08:33.000 I mean, all of Southern Africa is basically an empire of the Bantu who now claim that they're the indigenous peoples. 1.00

00:08:39.000 It was the Bantu who kicked the Afrikaners out of South Africa, which is kind of a joke because the Bantu themselves had come in and systematically exterminated the indigenous peoples of South Africa. 1.00

00:08:49.000 But they claimed they were being colonized by the Afrikaners.

00:08:53.000 So, yes, empire and slavery are the norms in human civilization.

00:08:57.000 Along come the British and to some extent, the French and the Dutch in this kind of early 19th century.

00:09:03.000 And what's happening is these countries themselves are starting to develop these classic liberal norms about individual rights, about property rights, about political participation, about accountability, about freedoms and whatnot.

00:09:17.000 And they can't help but share those ideas with their colonies.

00:09:22.000 Indeed, you know, their argument is we're not racists.

00:09:26.000 And the evidence that we're not racist is we think everyone can benefit from these same institutions, right?

00:09:31.000 I mean, colonialism, in my mind, was the greatest anti-racist program in world history because it was the first time any empire said, we think everybody has the potential to benefit from the excellent institutions we've developed.

00:09:45.000 So the kind of dilemma of colonialism was it was essentially a self-liquidating enterprise is that once you start spreading those ideas and those institutions, it's going to be natural that those people are going to start taking an interest in their own self-government.

00:10:00.000 Well, that was the plan all along.

00:10:01.000 And that's what happened in this country.

00:10:03.000 And it happened in all those colonial countries too.

00:10:05.000 And so when Queen Elizabeth comes to power, I mean, the fruits of British colonialism are ripening as these places develop this desire for self-government.

00:10:15.000 Well, that was the plan all along.

00:10:16.000 And that's the greatest testament to British colonialism.

00:10:19.000 I want to talk about the significance and the importance of this argument because a lot of the radical revolutionary fervor is built on this false premise.

00:10:28.000 Because they say, if colonialism, therefore, reparations, property confiscation, therefore we can disentangle ourselves from Western tradition.

00:10:37.000 So it's very important that we have a focused argument here.

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00:11:47.000 In the higher levels of academia that has now, of course, kind of just come down to regular activist circles.

00:11:55.000 A lot of the argument for reparations, for property confiscation, is built on this premise of British colonial abuse of Indigenous people.

00:12:06.000 This argument is very important on many levels.

00:12:08.000 That one in particular, your thoughts?

00:12:12.000 Yeah, I like the idea of reparations.

00:12:14.000 I think that colonial people should pay massive reparations to the British people for all of the public goods the British provided to them and the tax monies the British provided to them. 0.82

00:12:23.000 Actually, I don't think that's a good idea.

00:12:24.000 But I think if you're going to talk reparations, the reparations are going in the other way for sure.

00:12:29.000 There's no doubt about it.

00:12:30.000 I mean, just look at the gap in income and life expectancy levels between places that are British colonies, that were British colonies and places were not.

00:12:38.000 I mean, do you want to live in the Bahamas or do you want to live in Haiti?

00:12:41.000 I mean, these comparisons are just epic and the gift of British colonialism was huge.

00:12:48.000 And the genocide thing is funny too, because, you know, this is a modern woke.

00:12:53.000 We call these the woke grandchildren of the colonial subjects, right?

00:12:57.000 The colonial peoples at the time never thought of this as anything but legitimate use of force by horrible warlords and terrorists.

00:13:07.000 So for instance, in Kenya, when a small segment of the Kikyuyu group rose up and started murdering the white farmers who were the bedrock of the food supply in Kenya, and the British appropriately set up a counterinsurgency campaign that was overwhelmingly and massively staffed by Kenyans, including Kikuyu Kenyans, right? 0.74

00:13:29.000 The Kenyans saw this as an amazingly great British contribution.

00:13:33.000 The first president of Kenya praised the British counterinsurgency campaign.

00:13:39.000 I mean, this was seen as a gift of the British to establish stability and the rule of law and to fight against criminals and terrorists.

00:13:48.000 And it's only with the passing of that generation and then maybe one more that you get these grandchildren suddenly talking about how they're victims and how their grandparents were victims and demanding reparations for alleged victimization.

00:14:00.000 I mean, it's complete modern fabrication, and it doesn't represent the views of the colonized peoples at the time.

00:14:07.000 So in closing here, Professor, I want to ask, why is it that the British Empire acted the way they did, but maybe French or the Spanish or the Portuguese might have been less successful?

00:14:18.000 What made the British approach different?

00:14:20.000 Well, the Spanish and Portuguese, of course, is a different era altogether. 0.98

00:14:23.000 So we're talking 16th, 17th century.

00:14:25.000 It's a different world, different norms, different expectations.

00:14:28.000 So I don't think we want to compare those.

00:14:30.000 But, you know, 19th century, 20th century, British, French, Belgian, Portuguese, Indonesian, German colonialism, we can all compare those very similarly.

00:14:39.000 And it's true that the British often did better, but it's partly just because the British had a bigger empire.

00:14:44.000 They had more kind of best practices circulating.

00:14:47.000 They had better training.

00:14:48.000 I don't think any of these European colonial powers did a bad job.

00:14:51.000 I think the British just did a particularly good one.

00:14:54.000 Professor, thank you so much for joining us.

00:14:54.000 Very good.

00:14:56.000 Professor Gilly from Portland State University.

00:14:59.000 If you send your kid to college and you get taught that, you're very lucky because that is a contrarian point of view.

00:15:05.000 Professor, thank you so much.

00:15:05.000 I could tell you that.

00:15:07.000 Thank you.

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00:16:13.000 Many of you know I've been rather upset the last couple of days as the Democrat regime continues to pick off conservative leader after conservative leader.

00:16:25.000 Their strategy is not to win at the ballot box, not to win through debate or dialogue or discussion.

00:16:30.000 Indict Steve Bannon, indict Peter Navarro, raid James O'Keefe's apartment, raid Donald Trump's home.

00:16:36.000 And I've been saying we need Republican attorney generals to be committed to the rule of law, but to go after the criminals in the Democrat Party, to indict them, to investigate them.

00:16:49.000 Because we see so many of these crimes happening, and if that does not happen, they're not going to slow down.

00:16:55.000 Justice must be equally applied.

00:16:58.000 And Republican attorney generals have an opportunity to do that.

00:17:00.000 Joining us is one of the best attorney generals in the country.

00:17:03.000 He's a terrific American patriot, Ken Paxton from the great state of Texas.

00:17:08.000 Ken, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:17:10.000 Hey, Charlie, thanks for having me on.

00:17:12.000 This is a really timely subject and really, I think, one that's really important if we're going to survive.

00:17:19.000 That's exactly right.

00:17:20.000 It's about survival.

00:17:22.000 And so, Ken, I'm pretty fired up.

00:17:23.000 Our audience is fired up because we keep on seeing the abuse of the rule of law, which, of course, we're not calling for on this program, whether it be a DA in Fulton County or the Manhattan District Attorney, they are going after conservatives for a very specific purpose, and they feel as if there is no recourse.

00:17:42.000 There is no accountability at all.

00:17:44.000 They think they can get away with it.

00:17:46.000 Ken, is it time for Republican attorney generals to really put their foot on the gas pedal to investigate the crimes of the American left?

00:17:54.000 Yeah, so it's a very complicated subject.

00:17:57.000 So, for instance, in my state, I was actually, I'm not allowed to go investigate or prosecute anything.

00:18:02.000 It's all up to the local DAs.

00:18:03.000 The legislature has never given me the authority, and the attorney general has never had the authority to have original criminal jurisdiction.

00:18:10.000 So, for instance, there was a case I was investigating.

00:18:13.000 It was referred by the Travis County District Attorney.

00:18:16.000 I was investigating the FBI and the Department of Justice for potential violations of state and federal law.

00:18:22.000 I couldn't do anything about federal law, but we had some issues that we thought were legitimate.

00:18:26.000 And sure enough, they started putting pressure on my office, and the DA backed out, and my authority went away.

00:18:32.000 So, it's very challenging in many states.

00:18:34.000 The attorney general doesn't have the authority, and some they do.

00:18:38.000 For instance, New York, where this is all going on, it's a liberal state.

00:18:41.000 There's really not much you can do.

00:18:43.000 You're going to have a liberal DA, liberal state legislators, liberal governor.

00:18:46.000 And it's, I would not want to live in a state like that because you have no hope.

00:18:49.000 In my state, the legislature could come in and change the law.

00:18:52.000 They haven't.

00:18:53.000 And we're all subject to now some very dangerous laws in Texas with local DAs funded by Soros who control the process.

00:19:01.000 But at least we have the opportunity in Texas to change it if we will.

00:19:05.000 So, Ken, just to make sure I understand the Texas law, and that's a very helpful context.

00:19:09.000 Do you have investigatory powers, though?

00:19:11.000 Are you able to do subpoenas and look into things and then maybe refer it to a local DA?

00:19:15.000 Is that right?

00:19:17.000 I can, I can't do the investigation.

00:19:19.000 As a matter of fact, my investigation stopped when I knew for a fact, and then they turned it around and started investigating me as soon as I couldn't do anything anymore.

00:19:28.000 My hands were tied by state law.

00:19:30.000 And so, I'm a sitting duck.

00:19:32.000 I mean, I can be investigated by them and they can spend, and they are.

00:19:36.000 They'll spend the rest of my life.

00:19:37.000 My life will be spent being investigated by the federal government.

00:19:40.000 That is a fact.

00:19:42.000 Trying to find some way to do what they're doing to Steve Bannon, to do what they're doing to Donald Trump.

00:19:47.000 That is what happens today.

00:19:49.000 If you dare to speak out against the FBI Department of Justice, they do come after you.

00:19:55.000 And so, I mean, it's personal, obviously, for you, Ken, because you understand the game that they play here, right?

00:19:55.000 Yeah.

00:20:00.000 They try to take you out one by one by one.

00:20:02.000 I suppose, is it true, Ken, that you are then able to launch investigations at the request of a local prosecutor?

00:20:10.000 Is that correct?

00:20:12.000 They have to refer it to me.

00:20:14.000 So, for instance, the Travis County DA had originally referred to me.

00:20:17.000 That's how we got it.

00:20:17.000 That's how we knew about it.

00:20:18.000 That's how we were like, whoa, this is a real issue.

00:20:21.000 And she knew it was a real issue.

00:20:23.000 And then it blew up and she backed out.

00:20:25.000 And then my authority went away.

00:20:27.000 And then suddenly I'm being investigated and have been ever since.

00:20:30.000 They never stop.

00:20:31.000 Once they start, they try to look at everything you've ever done in your entire life and find some way that they can go raid your home and put you in jail and indict you.

00:20:42.000 Yeah, so I guess my other question then is: what do you think the game plan is here?

00:20:46.000 Because we need equal application of justice.

00:20:48.000 It's so wrong.

00:20:49.000 I mean, the DOJ investigating you or whether it, which is a total witch hunt, totally political.

00:20:54.000 You know, Peter Navarro, Dinesh D'Souza, Steve Bannon, the list goes on.

00:20:59.000 I mean, how do we stop this?

00:21:00.000 I think you agree that press releases are not enough, that just outrage is not going to cut it.

00:21:06.000 So what's the game plan here?

00:21:07.000 So there's got to be a couple of things.

00:21:09.000 One is you're going to have to have the attorney generals that have that power start exercising and not be afraid.

00:21:17.000 A lot of them are afraid because they're afraid if they start doing stuff like that, and it's true. 0.87

00:21:23.000 They will be under pressure from the Department of Justice.

00:21:26.000 They'll try to turn it on.

00:21:27.000 Second, my state desperately needs to have grand jury reform, desperately needs to have reform so that I have concurrent jurisdiction and I can go deal with issues like this.

00:21:38.000 If we don't, literally, Travis County, Bexar County, San Antonio, all these liberal counties where Soros has basically put the DAs in place are weaponized against us.

00:21:49.000 And there's literally a legislator as a sitting duck too in Texas, including for voter fraud.

00:21:54.000 We can't even prosecute voter fraud anymore.

00:21:56.000 So it's a serious issue in Texas.

00:21:59.000 If our legislature does not resolve this in the upcoming session, I don't know if we can remain a Republican state with the disadvantage that we're at right now.

00:22:07.000 This is very powerful stuff, everybody.

00:22:09.000 I hope we understand.

00:22:10.000 So in the liberal states, attorney generals have the ability to call grand juries and to do criminal investigations.

00:22:16.000 And I'll be honest, I was under the assumption you could do the same.

00:22:19.000 This is very illuminating to me and very helpful.

00:22:23.000 Now, I suppose it was probably the intent was not to have the abuse of power and to have it be local control.

00:22:30.000 But the situation now is actually the opposite.

00:22:32.000 Can you talk about how George Soros is funding these local DA races?

00:22:37.000 I mean, Travis County, obviously, Houston.

00:22:40.000 That's very important information for us to know.

00:22:42.000 Yeah, let me set this up.

00:22:43.000 I had a state senator call me, a Republican state senator in the Houston area saying, hey, I need you to investigate a public official who's a Democrat who's committing crimes.

00:22:52.000 And I said, no.

00:22:53.000 He goes, what do you mean no?

00:22:54.000 I said, I don't have the authority to do it.

00:22:55.000 The local DA there, who's a Democrat, if she's okay with it, she can allow him to commit as many crimes as she wants.

00:23:01.000 And she can even be involved herself.

00:23:03.000 There's nothing that anyone can do.

00:23:05.000 Local district attorneys.

00:23:07.000 And I'm talking about in Harris County and San Antonio and Austin.

00:23:10.000 I know for a fact because I used to work with the DAs in two of those counties that were Democrats that were pretty good at prosecuting.

00:23:16.000 And Soros didn't like that.

00:23:18.000 So he spent a lot of money to get rid of Democratic DAs.

00:23:22.000 And we can't, you know, we can't win those elections in Travis County and Bear County.

00:23:25.000 So it's going to be Democratically controlled.

00:23:28.000 But now it's Soros controlled, and he's got, he is weaponizing the district attorneys across the country.

00:23:34.000 And we're sitting on the sidelines waiting to be picked off.

00:23:37.000 And it's happening as we're watching right now.

00:23:40.000 That's right.

00:23:40.000 So the call to action really is that in this next upcoming session, the Texas legislature has to change the law to give the Attorney General of Texas grand jury and prosecutorial authority.

00:23:53.000 Is that prosecutorial or authority or ability?

00:23:55.000 Would that be an appropriate or prudent change?

00:23:58.000 Yeah, there needs to be some type of concurrent jurisdiction so there's some accountability for these DAs because right now they can do whatever they want, including, I mean, how could I stop them if they decided to commit crimes or be a part of it or just authorize it?

00:24:11.000 There's nobody that can do anything about it.

00:24:14.000 There's no count.

00:24:14.000 There's no check on it.

00:24:16.000 There's no accountability.

00:24:18.000 They are the law under themselves and they can actually decide, and they do this in Texas and in these liberal counties, they don't follow Texas law and enforce Texas law.

00:24:26.000 They say, well, we're not going to prosecute for stoplifting, even though it's a crime.

00:24:29.000 We're not going to prosecute for this abortion, even though it's a crime.

00:24:32.000 We're not going to prosecute for this, this, and this.

00:24:35.000 We decide with the laws, not the legislature.

00:24:37.000 And the legislature, if they don't address this, they're not really making laws that matter because the DA is going to walk and do whatever they want.

00:24:45.000 So this is very, very helpful, I think, for our audience that these local district attorneys, in some ways, have power and authority that the Attorney General of Texas does not have.

00:24:55.000 Now, you do have the ability to sue.

00:24:57.000 Is that correct?

00:24:58.000 You could sue the federal government.

00:25:00.000 You could sue private companies.

00:25:02.000 Is that right?

00:25:03.000 Yeah, so I have the right to sue on civil matters, you know, to represent the state against corporations that are committing fraud, to represent the state in issues with the federal government.

00:25:12.000 I even had for 71 years from 1951 on, we had the authority to prosecute one thing, which is voter fraud.

00:25:18.000 And our Republican Criminal Court of Appeals 8-1 struck down that statute saying that it's a separation of powers that the attorney general, because he's in the executive branch, doesn't have the authority to go to court.

00:25:27.000 Now, tell me that's not the most ludicrous thing.

00:25:29.000 That would mean that no attorney general in any state could go to court if they're right about that theory.

00:25:35.000 They, I believe, some of those guys on that Republican court, because we have a bifurcated system, and that Republican court controls all criminal matters.

00:25:43.000 They're the final say.

00:25:45.000 And I believe that Soros worked on that court too, because nobody knows who's on that court.

00:25:49.000 Even most Republican lawyers don't know who's on the criminal court of appeals.

00:25:53.000 And now, supposedly, I can't prosecute voter fraud, which means, again, we're back to local DAs in Travis County and Bear County and Houston and Dallas.

00:26:01.000 They get to decide whether voter fraud is prosecuted.

00:26:03.000 And guess what?

00:26:04.000 It'll never happen.

00:26:05.000 And anybody can cheat as much as they want.

00:26:07.000 Yeah, I mean, these laws have to change.

00:26:09.000 And I mean, Soros and all these people are so smart.

00:26:12.000 So they have the Manhattan District Attorney that goes and indicts Steve Bannon, which is far away from even the incident they're saying.

00:26:21.000 They're saying it's the border wall thing, all this kind of nonsense.

00:26:24.000 And after he was pardoned by the president of the United States, and so what you're articulating here, which is very helpful for me, and I think for people in our audience, is it's not just the Department of Justice top down.

00:26:36.000 George Soros has also funded it from the bottom up that they're able to control these local jurisdictions.

00:26:43.000 And, okay, we have the Attorney General's office in Texas of which you can sue.

00:26:47.000 So, you know, you could sue BLM, which a lot of state attorney attorneys general have been doing.

00:26:52.000 And they've been suing for potential fraud or for potential embezzlement and all this.

00:26:56.000 But those are civil suits, right?

00:26:57.000 And those take a long time.

00:26:59.000 And they have a different kind of tone and a different approach, obviously, than a criminal investigatory matter.

00:27:06.000 And so this needs to be reformed almost immediately.

00:27:09.000 Ken, what are your thoughts?

00:27:11.000 We better reform it soon or we're going to lose the country.

00:27:13.000 And I get told all the time by my attorneys not to talk about this because they'll come after me.

00:27:18.000 Well, they've already come after me and they will come after me.

00:27:20.000 And so I know if we don't speak out as Americans and we don't speak out strongly and do it unafraid, even if we're afraid, we have to speak out or they will take over.

00:27:32.000 It's incredibly important.

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00:28:37.000 I want to play a piece of tape here of someone who gets very upset, D.C. Council Member Ward 1, PlayCut 112.

00:28:45.000 We've learned from border towns like El Paso and Brownsville.

00:28:51.000 And in many ways, the governors of Texas and Arizona have turned us into a border town.

00:28:59.000 We don't know how long this will take to resolve.

00:29:01.000 We don't know how long they will continue busing.

00:29:03.000 And so the right thing to do here is to be prepared to ensure we can greet every bus.

00:29:08.000 We can get people off on the right foot.

00:29:10.000 We can get them where they want to go.

00:29:12.000 Ken Paxton, your thoughts.

00:29:14.000 Yeah, I think it's interesting.

00:29:16.000 She's finally getting it.

00:29:17.000 We're not, you know, Texas and Arizona are not the only border states.

00:29:20.000 We're all border states because the Biden administration transports these people around.

00:29:24.000 They invite them to come in.

00:29:26.000 They encourage the cartels to do business here and to transport people not away from Border Patrol, but directly to Border Patrol.

00:29:33.000 These people are not hiding.

00:29:34.000 They're coming in.

00:29:35.000 They say one word asylum.

00:29:37.000 And the Biden administration transports them all over the country.

00:29:40.000 And we're all border states now.

00:29:43.000 Yeah, I mean, but shouldn't they be greeting it with open arms and say, be so excited?

00:29:47.000 And they should be so, I mean, this is now a situation where the rest of the states, they've always talked about how they're sanctuary cities and all this.

00:29:54.000 Now they have to start to feel the pain that Texas has been feeling.

00:29:57.000 Yeah, here's the reality.

00:29:59.000 I mean, they're dealing with like, and I think in D.C., a few thousand, a few hundred in Chicago, a few hundred in New York, maybe a thousand in New York.

00:30:06.000 We're dealing with 5,000 a day.

00:30:09.000 And then they criticize the governor.

00:30:11.000 Lori Whitefoot calls him a racist and says that he's not a Christian.

00:30:14.000 How come she doesn't criticize Biden when he's transporting hundreds of thousands every month all over the country?

00:30:21.000 He doesn't include us.

00:30:22.000 He doesn't tell us where they're going.

00:30:23.000 They just dumped in these states.

00:30:25.000 I've never heard criticisms from one of these mayors about what Biden is doing.

00:30:30.000 Governor Abbott didn't invite this problem.

00:30:32.000 He's trying to deal with a problem.

00:30:33.000 He's sending a few thousand, and they're extremely critical of him. 0.93

00:30:38.000 It's hypocrisy.

00:30:40.000 No, I think what Greg Abbott is doing is correct.

00:30:43.000 I think that he should send even more than that.

00:30:45.000 In fact, I call for the governor of Texas to send them back to Mexico or wherever they came from, but I don't think he's quite ready for that yet. 0.95

00:30:52.000 And then building the wall and all that.

00:30:54.000 But it's something, and it is, from a PR perspective, rather brilliant because it is exposing the liberal hypocrisy of how they always say diversity is our strength until we actually have to deal with it.

00:31:05.000 Yeah, maybe you should go down to the Rio Grande Valley and recognize that that bus that you think is such an inconvenience, Texas has, how many is it?

00:31:13.000 1,000 a day, 1,500 illegal a day.

00:31:16.000 What's the number now?

00:31:17.000 Almost 2,000 a day?

00:31:19.000 Almost 5,000.

00:31:20.000 It's 5,000 a day.

00:31:22.000 In just Texas?

00:31:23.000 I just did.

00:31:24.000 Yeah, just Texas.

00:31:25.000 So to give you a new Del Rio has like 36,000 people in it, I think.

00:31:30.000 And there were 18,000 people ready to walk into Del Rio.

00:31:33.000 I mean, New York City, in D.C. and Chicago, at least big cities, and can absorb a few hundred illegal immigrants.

00:31:41.000 Del Rio can't even come up with enough food or water to take care of them.

00:31:44.000 All of you have seen pictures of the big house in Ann Arbor, Michigan.

00:31:49.000 You've seen a picture of Arrowhead Stadium.

00:31:54.000 More people than that are illegally just coming into Texas every single month, if I understood you correctly.

00:32:00.000 That's unbelievable.

00:32:01.000 That's an invasion.

00:32:03.000 I mean, Normandy was about 156,000 people.

00:32:06.000 It's an invasion.

00:32:07.000 It's absolutely an invasion.

00:32:09.000 And it's not like it's an accident.

00:32:11.000 I mean, we saw that Trump policies work to reduce immigration, illegal immigration, significantly.

00:32:16.000 And the Biden administration said, we're getting rid of everything that worked-from the wall to all the laws that we're supposed to follow.

00:32:23.000 We're going to make our own laws, and we're going to get the cartels sending these people in.

00:32:28.000 The cartels are making billions of dollars every month, and the Biden administration's in partnership with them.

00:32:32.000 It's incredible.

00:32:33.000 Ken Paxton, the Attorney General of Texas, I learned a lot here.

00:32:37.000 And I think it's time that we start to recognize and realize if we don't reform some of these laws to be able to hold the criminals on the left accountable, they're not going to stop.

00:32:45.000 And for some of you in the audience who might say, oh, they're never going to come after me.

00:32:49.000 Oh, yeah, well, they have 87,000 new IRS agents that might be visiting your business, your home, your church sometime soon.

00:32:55.000 We have to get these people to stop.

00:32:57.000 Ken Paxton, thank you so much.

00:32:59.000 Hey, have a great day.

00:33:00.000 Thanks.

00:33:03.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - September 10, 2022

A Defense of British Colonialism? With Prof. Bruce Gilley

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