The Charlie Kirk Show - A False Gospel Infecting the American Church with Allie Beth Stuckey

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00:02:32.000 Hey, Allie.

00:02:33.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:34.000 Thank you so much for having me.

00:02:35.000 I heard you gave a great speech.

00:02:37.000 Oh, thank you.

00:02:38.000 At our Student Action Summit.

00:02:39.000 Thanks.

00:02:39.000 I love it.

00:02:40.000 It's my second favorite conference right after YWLS.

00:02:43.000 Well, and that one we're going to be doing again, hopefully in person.

00:02:45.000 I know.

00:02:46.000 It's super sad that we couldn't have it this year.

00:02:48.000 For obvious reasons.

00:02:49.000 Yeah.

00:02:50.000 So there's a lot to talk about in the world.

00:02:52.000 Yeah, there is.

00:02:53.000 And so I asked you, what do you want to talk about?

00:02:55.000 And you said, I don't know anything.

00:02:57.000 Yeah, I'll talk about anything.

00:02:58.000 So let's folk.

00:03:00.000 I mean, I just said, well, let's talk about the Bible.

00:03:02.000 So why not?

00:03:02.000 Because I actually love when we get to talk about faith on this podcast.

00:03:05.000 We do it every so often.

00:03:07.000 Your faith's very important to you.

00:03:09.000 We have a lot of people that have a misperception of Christianity.

00:03:13.000 Yeah.

00:03:14.000 So tell us why you're a Christian.

00:03:16.000 Well, I'm a Christian.

00:03:17.000 Thankfully, I have a really good foundation in my parents.

00:03:20.000 I know that you do as well.

00:03:22.000 Some people kind of scoff at the fact that, oh, you have the same beliefs that your parents do.

00:03:27.000 You're only a Christian because your parents raised you that way.

00:03:29.000 I actually think it's an immense privilege to be able to say, yeah, I had parents who brought me up in the Lord and brought me to church and taught me who made the world and who makes the rules.

00:03:39.000 And that really is the foundation of my faith.

00:03:42.000 But, you know, things become your own when you go off on your own in college and then you're in the real world and you realize that it really does have to become personal because it also becomes a little bit of a, a little bit of a fight, a little bit of a battle when you're up against people who don't believe the same things that you do.

00:03:56.000 You have to know why you believe what you believe.

00:03:59.000 It's not just that God makes sense of the world.

00:04:01.000 I don't understand the existence of truth or morality or right and wrong or any kind of moral order without the creator.

00:04:09.000 But also, there has to be a dealing with injustice.

00:04:12.000 There has to be a dealing with sin.

00:04:14.000 And that's the biggest question I think that all of us deal with.

00:04:16.000 Like, who's going to deal with the bad stuff?

00:04:18.000 Not just in the world, but also in me.

00:04:21.000 And we have this like internal longing for redemption, for things to be made new, for things to be made better, for us to be made clean.

00:04:27.000 And that is only found in Jesus Christ.

00:04:30.000 And so, just talking about kind of the philosophical and theological why, that's the why it deals with the good and the bad.

00:04:37.000 And it gives me hope for a culmination of all of life's craziness that one day there will be perfect peace.

00:04:43.000 We won't be talking about politics.

00:04:44.000 We'll be worshiping Jesus together.

00:04:46.000 Thankfully.

00:04:47.000 And that hope just anchors us in the midst of all this craziness.

00:04:47.000 Yeah.

00:04:51.000 So people ask all the time, Charlie, do you ever have doubts?

00:04:55.000 How do you answer that question?

00:04:57.000 So I heard a pastor once say that faith without doubts is like a body without antibody.

00:04:57.000 Yes.

00:05:02.000 So we actually need doubts to be able to wrestle through our faith and answer those tough questions.

00:05:07.000 The good news is that people that are much smarter than me have wrestled with the very same questions that I've had.

00:05:13.000 I think a lot of times we have this hubris to think that if I have a question about like, why does God let bad things happen?

00:05:19.000 I'm the first person to ever ask that.

00:05:21.000 And the answer is going to be found somewhere deep inside me.

00:05:24.000 And so we have this, there's this trend of deconstructionism that is really kind of a progressive movement within the church to deconstruct your faith, but then not reconstruct it into any kind of biblical Christianity, but reconstruct it with all of these secular, progressive ideologies into something that really doesn't look like Christianity at all in a way to try to pick and choose what you like from the Bible and discard the things that you don't like from the Bible.

00:05:50.000 But when we have doubts, when we have questions, when, for example, maybe you had a church leader growing up who ended up being a huge hypocrite, and that just made you really doubt your faith and wonder if all of this is true, the great thing is, is that there are Christians, tried and true Christians, who have fought through and answered these questions, who can tell you where to go in the word of God.

00:06:10.000 So rather than fleeing the church, fleeing scripture and fleeing the Christians who have surrounded you your whole life, go into that community, go into scripture and ask those questions.

00:06:20.000 Those questions are good.

00:06:21.000 God's not scared of your questions.

00:06:23.000 He's not too small for your questions.

00:06:25.000 He's not like, oh, I've never heard that question before.

00:06:28.000 If he is the creator of truth and he's the source of all wisdom, the Bible says that if we ask for wisdom in the book of James, that he promises to give it.

00:06:37.000 James 1.

00:06:38.000 So, yes.

00:06:38.000 So, wisdom is both a promise, but it's also a process, as the book of Proverbs tells us.

00:06:44.000 And so, we seek wisdom in the place where we know it is in God's word, and we ask in humility for God to give us the wisdom that we're looking for.

00:06:53.000 Yeah, I love when you and I go to a lot of campuses where there's kind of a guy that comes up and he's 19 years old, and he's 19, 20 years old, and he believes he's the first person ever to think of the question, how could God ever allow bad things to happen?

00:07:08.000 And he loves asking the question.

00:07:10.000 God bless him for that.

00:07:11.000 And it's, there have been people that have been wrestling with this since the beginning of time.

00:07:16.000 And so, can you talk about, you know, we have a lot of people that are searching on this podcast, and we get wonderful emails, people that are finally really committing their life to Christ, which is awesome.

00:07:25.000 And that is not the primary focus of this podcast.

00:07:27.000 We're unapologetic of our beliefs, obviously, but we talk about a lot of other stuff, as you all know.

00:07:31.000 But I think it points people to Christ as the more we talk about liberty, we want to find its source.

00:07:36.000 Can you talk about how the scriptures have impacted your life and why do you believe the Bible?

00:07:43.000 Some people have emailed us in disagreement.

00:07:45.000 They say, oh, it's just a bunch of mythology.

00:07:46.000 It's a bunch of fables.

00:07:47.000 It's outdated.

00:07:49.000 It's more than that.

00:07:50.000 Why is it more than that for you?

00:07:51.000 Well, that's a really long question.

00:07:53.000 And like I was saying earlier, there are people who are so much smarter than me that thankfully have wrestled through that and have looked at the history of the Bible, why the biblical canon includes those 66 books. 0.66

00:08:05.000 That's what Protestants believe anyway, and why we believe that's the inerrant word of God.

00:08:09.000 And so there's this resource. 0.95

00:08:11.000 It's a huge resource and it's called Systematic Theology.

00:08:14.000 It's by Wayne Grudem.

00:08:16.000 If you haven't had him on your own, Wayne's been on our podcast.

00:08:18.000 I was about to say, he is the perfect thing.

00:08:19.000 He's a Phoenix too.

00:08:20.000 Yeah, he's incredible, but he's such a wealth of biblical theological knowledge.

00:08:25.000 And that is an amazing resource for people to look into for how did we get the Bible?

00:08:31.000 Why is it trustworthy?

00:08:32.000 Why do we believe that it's different than any other book?

00:08:35.000 And so we could go through the history and the logic and the apologetics of all of that, but I'll just direct you to that.

00:08:41.000 I think one of the most compelling arguments that I've heard for Christianity, kind of what I was saying in the beginning, is that it helps us deal with these existential questions that all humans are born having.

00:08:50.000 Like secular humanism, it doesn't have an answer for these questions because it basically just sees us as evolved animals.

00:08:56.000 And so we are just these clumps of matter, but it can't answer questions like, why do we long for purpose?

00:09:04.000 Why do we long for belonging?

00:09:06.000 Why do we long for beauty?

00:09:08.000 Why is there such a thing as beauty?

00:09:10.000 All of these very big and almost intangible questions that all human beings have, they're found in the source that created these things.

00:09:17.000 And it's only answered in this idea that we were made in God's image, which doesn't mean that we are gods, that we are divine ourselves, but we have attributes that are similar or that reflect the trying God's nature.

00:09:32.000 And I am someone who really cares about, I really care about fairness.

00:09:37.000 Like I hate injustice.

00:09:39.000 I hate bullies.

00:09:40.000 I hate when people get away with bad things. 0.62

00:09:42.000 I hate when people are deceitful or manipulative.

00:09:44.000 I hate when the vulnerable are trampled on.

00:09:47.000 And we can look at the world and sometimes I just feel like despairing because it feels like justice is never going to be executed, like right will never prevail.

00:09:56.000 And then I think about the promises in God's word that going back to that question of why does God let bad things happen?

00:10:03.000 Well, actually, God promises to defeat the evildoers.

00:10:06.000 He promises to defeat Satan forever and to rule in perfect peace.

00:10:10.000 That God is not just letting bad happen.

00:10:12.000 He's going to exact revenge on those who do evil.

00:10:15.000 And so putting my hope in that and asking or answering all of those existential questions that I and every human being since the beginning of time has had in such a beautiful and redemptive story of Jesus taking away our sins and then defeating evil once and for all.

00:10:32.000 I can't think of a better satisfaction for those ponderings that we all have naturally.

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00:11:38.000 Yeah, the Bible in three words, can you believe it?

00:11:40.000 Is creation, fall, redemption.

00:11:42.000 It's hardly, you know, there's a lot more to it than that, but that's that's the story of the Bible.

00:11:42.000 Yeah.

00:11:46.000 Yeah.

00:11:46.000 Can you talk about where you think our country has been going because we've decided to kind of discard the Bible as a coffee table book or something that's not even worthy of reading?

00:11:57.000 What do you think the consequences have been culturally in our country and across the world?

00:12:02.000 You know, some people think that this is a very recent phenomenon, that only in the past five years or so have we kind of embraced postmodernism and progressivism, this idea that there is no absolute truth, that moral relativism and all that.

00:12:16.000 And yes, I do think things have accelerated over the past five years, but this has been happening for a very long time.

00:12:22.000 And there are various avenues in our country that we can look at.

00:12:25.000 Okay, where did this leftist progressive postmodern secular indoctrination start?

00:12:30.000 I mean, you can look at teachers' unions, how they became more activist in the 1960s.

00:12:35.000 You can look at some of the values in our government.

00:12:37.000 And so there's a lot of different possible sources of it.

00:12:40.000 But I think what you see is just a detachment from reality and a detachment from truth.

00:12:45.000 I was talking to an atheist the other day who I really like and really respect.

00:12:49.000 And she said something along the lines of, you know, it must be funny to people on the right to see us arguing about what is a man and what is a woman.

00:12:56.000 And I said, you know, actually, it's sad because to me, that's the consequence of godlessness because what is anything?

00:13:02.000 Like, what is right?

00:13:03.000 What is wrong?

00:13:04.000 What is biology?

00:13:04.000 Why does science matter more than someone's feelings?

00:13:07.000 Why does biology matter at all?

00:13:09.000 Why do definitions matter if there isn't a transcendent source of truth?

00:13:14.000 If there isn't, as C.S. Lewis says, a great moral lawgiver from which we get our definitions of right and wrong.

00:13:20.000 Of course, we're going to be arguing about things that we thought had been decided for millennia, but now we're asking such basic questions like, what is life?

00:13:29.000 When does life begin?

00:13:30.000 Why do we care about babies' lives?

00:13:32.000 What is a man? 0.97

00:13:32.000 What is a woman? 0.97

00:13:33.000 Is freedom really good? 1.00

00:13:34.000 Should we even want freedom?

00:13:35.000 These are very basic questions that have been asked and answered by a lot of people. 0.99

00:13:40.000 But because we've been infected by postmodernism, which I like to say makes hearts of stone and brains of mush, we're now asking very stupid questions because we don't know what truth is anymore. 0.98

00:13:51.000 Yes. 0.96

00:13:51.000 And so can you talk about the impact you think it's had with young people in particular? 0.96

00:13:55.000 I think it's created the most miserable generation in American history because they have no idea what it actually means to live a meaningful life and they don't know what to try to pursue.

00:14:05.000 And so human beings are aiming creatures.

00:14:08.000 We need something to aim at.

00:14:10.000 And the Bible and Christ give us the ultimate aim, which of course is truth and is his sacrifice for us and his love, but a love in a very specific way.

00:14:21.000 I think that we throw around the word love too often.

00:14:24.000 You know, probably one of the most used sermons ever.

00:14:28.000 It's kind of like the introductory sermon 101 for a pastor who kind of has to pinch it is the different types of love, which you know well of Phileo, Eros, Sergei, and Agape are the different types of love that God has given us.

00:14:42.000 But what do you think this impact has had on young people and students?

00:14:46.000 And if there is a young person listening to this right now that is kind of stuck in this nihilistic postmodern rut, what can they do?

00:14:52.000 Yeah, I think where I see it the most, you know, my audience is predominantly young women, probably college age to, you know, young moms.

00:15:00.000 And what we are bombarded with on a daily basis, speaking of love, is this self-love culture.

00:15:06.000 And that's why I wrote a book about it.

00:15:08.000 That's kind of why I asked.

00:15:09.000 Yeah, because I've been seeing just so many young women, but young people in general who are weighed down by, I know this sounds paradoxical, but the misery of self-love, this misery of self-sufficiency.

00:15:22.000 And even though self-love and self-empowerment, it all sounds really good because of course we don't believe in self-loathing.

00:15:28.000 We don't want self-deprecation, of course.

00:15:30.000 And I agree with that.

00:15:31.000 But this idea that you are enough on your own and all you have to do is to love yourself more and you'll be happy.

00:15:38.000 You'll be able to chase your dreams.

00:15:39.000 All your relationships will come together.

00:15:41.000 All it is is what I call trendy narcissism.

00:15:44.000 It's actually making people far too focused on ourselves.

00:15:48.000 I posit that we do not have a self-love deficit in this country, that we're all kind of born with the natural instinct of self-protection and to meet our own needs.

00:15:57.000 We don't actually have to be taught to take care of ourselves.

00:16:00.000 What we need is a purpose outside of ourselves.

00:16:03.000 Because if self-love were the problem, then we would all be a lot happier by now because we have been preached the message of just think about yourself, put yourself first.

00:16:12.000 All that matters is that you're happy in the moment.

00:16:14.000 Just love yourself more.

00:16:16.000 Feel good about yourself.

00:16:17.000 Empower yourself.

00:16:19.000 Okay, well, the generation that has been the greatest beneficiary of that, Generation Z, is more depressed, more anxious, more lonely, more purposeless, more godless than any other generation.

00:16:30.000 So it can't, that can't be the problem.

00:16:32.000 Self-love can't be the problem.

00:16:34.000 I would say, if we're looking at the problem, look at the correlation between godlessness, the increase in godlessness in this youngest generation and their misery and their sadness.

00:16:44.000 And I'm not saying, hey, if you just pray more, you'll automatically be happier and that's it.

00:16:51.000 No, I'm talking about having an eternal sense of purpose, that this world is bigger than you, that your life is bigger than you, that other people matter too, that you don't just exist for yourself and to make yourself to make yourself happy and to serve yourself.

00:17:06.000 I think that does wonders to people's mindset and even that overused term today, mental health.

00:17:13.000 And if you have a service mind, you actually end up being a lot more fulfilled.

00:17:17.000 And that's what happens when you mature.

00:17:19.000 The definition of maturity is when people start to look at not just what their own actions impact themselves, how their actions might impact other people.

00:17:28.000 And an immature person is someone who, no matter what they do, their actions will never impact other people.

00:17:33.000 For example, an immature person, someone who never leaves the basement.

00:17:36.000 No matter what they do that day, unless they do something on social media or whatever, if they just play video games by themselves, their actions are going to have really no bearing on other people.

00:17:46.000 That's immaturity.

00:17:47.000 It takes actually a lot of responsibility to go, and someone relies on you to show up on time to actually produce something of value.

00:17:54.000 And all of this is rooted in the biblical canon and the biblical ideas and biblical truth.

00:18:01.000 And this also has had to do a lot with kind of, and I want you to talk about the differences between Christianity and other religions, because there's been this kind of Eastern religion influx where a lot of the self-love nonsense actually comes from.

00:18:14.000 This kind of quasi-Buddhist yoga culture where I can ascend to a higher level of peace because it's all about me.

00:18:22.000 And I make a very provocative argument, but I don't really care.

00:18:24.000 It's what I do, that Buddhism is the ultimate most selfish religion.

00:18:28.000 It's all you care about is yourself.

00:18:29.000 You spend seven hours a day not talking, being completely unproductive.

00:18:34.000 That's unbelievably selfish.

00:18:36.000 Like you're wasting your time just worrying about finding your own inner peace.

00:18:40.000 That's like self-love gone completely awry.

00:18:43.000 Yeah.

00:18:43.000 And there might be some therapeutic meditative reason to do that for some people, but the idea, the highest level of achievement for Buddhism is to never talk again.

00:18:54.000 If you talk to a legit Buddhist, it's never to speak, right?

00:18:57.000 That's speaking. 1.00

00:18:58.000 We're doing a terrible job.

00:18:59.000 No, I know, but it's interesting, though.

00:19:01.000 But in Christianity, though, in John 1, speaking is actually the ultimate form of pursuit, right?

00:19:06.000 Yeah.

00:19:07.000 The spreading of words, the spreading of truth.

00:19:09.000 They couldn't be more polar opposites. 0.94

00:19:11.000 And there's other religions we can contrast.

00:19:14.000 Why is Christianity different?

00:19:15.000 Yeah, that's so interesting that you make that connection.

00:19:17.000 And I do talk about that in my book, not specifically about Buddhism, but named?

00:19:22.000 You're not enough and that's okay.

00:19:23.000 I was going to paraphrase it, but I was going to say like escaping.

00:19:26.000 And that's okay.

00:19:26.000 Don't love yourself.

00:19:28.000 No.

00:19:29.000 So you're not enough and that's okay.

00:19:30.000 Escaping the toxic culture of self-love.

00:19:32.000 And just to clarify, it's not a book about self-loathing or why self-loathing is better, but why God's love is profoundly more satisfying than superficial self-love.

00:19:40.000 So definitely check it out.

00:19:41.000 But we talked about in the book, this new age idea that I think is infiltrating the church and in particular women's ministries.

00:19:48.000 And here's how it, here's how it manifests itself without even people realizing.

00:19:52.000 And so you read in something like Girl, Wash Your Face, that the most important thing is your journey to your inner self, and that underneath all of society's expectations and your insecurities and your self-consciousness is this perfect inner goddess.

00:20:08.000 And this is not what they say explicitly, but this is the underneath of these kinds of self-love books.

00:20:12.000 It's this perfect inner goddess.

00:20:14.000 And that if you just journey to find yourself, you find your true authentic self, no matter what people say, if you can brush off the patriarchy and capitalism and all these unjust systems that are holding your true goddess self back, then finally you'll manifest goodness.

00:20:28.000 You'll manifest good things in your life.

00:20:29.000 You'll finally be happy and healthy and chase after your goals.

00:20:33.000 Well, as I like to say, the self can't be both the problem and the solution.

00:20:36.000 So if you're going to read one of these books because you're like, ma'am, my life is in shambles and I'm looking for something to make it better because, you know, I've got these bad character traits or these things in my life, whatever.

00:20:47.000 Well, you can't go deeper inside yourself to find the solution that is also in yourself.

00:20:51.000 You have to go outside of yourself, namely into the God who made you, who provides the satisfaction and fulfillment that you're trying and failing to find inside yourself.

00:21:00.000 And that's just one part of Christianity, ultimately, why Christianity sets itself apart from something like Buddhism, which is ascending to a higher self, which is, by the way, I know I'm going to make some people mad.

00:21:12.000 That's perfect.

00:21:13.000 But some people don't understand that that is also the philosophy that is behind something like the Enneagram.

00:21:20.000 The Enneagram was created by New Age philosophers who believed in ascending to your true self and that personality types would help you get there.

00:21:27.000 I'm not slamming all personality tests as completely destructive. 1.00

00:21:30.000 Just be a female thing. 0.96

00:21:31.000 But just understand that that is the philosophy behind a lot of these things to understanding your true self and knowing who you really are. 0.72

00:21:39.000 That obsession, I've gotten so many emails from women saying, thank you for writing about this because I was so, I got an email from someone the other day who said, I was so obsessed with my Enneagram type that I could not read the Bible without thinking about that because I couldn't figure out which number I was.

00:21:55.000 That everything that I saw was I was trying to figure out the lens through which I should see the world rather than scripture.

00:22:01.000 I was thinking about my Enneagram type.

00:22:03.000 So it can become an idol, this New Age stuff for some people, and it clouds out their real faith.

00:22:08.000 But so those types of New Age movements, Buddhism, other kinds of religions, and a lot of other religions tell you how to ascend to God.

00:22:16.000 So climbing the proverbial hill to get to God, you have to do these things to make yourself holy enough to be God-like or to get to the top of the hill.

00:22:24.000 Christianity says, look, Ephesians 2, you're dead in your sin.

00:22:28.000 So if you're dead, you're not just a bad person.

00:22:30.000 You're dead in your sin.

00:22:30.000 You're helpless.

00:22:31.000 You're lifeless. 0.99

00:22:32.000 You're a corpse. 1.00

00:22:33.000 You're going to be buried. 0.97

00:22:34.000 And then Christ comes down the hill to rescue you and to make you alive.

00:22:39.000 That is the gospel.

00:22:40.000 Christianity is the only one who says you cannot ascend the hill.

00:22:43.000 There's no sacrifices that you can do.

00:22:45.000 There's no good that you can do.

00:22:47.000 There's nothing that you can do to make God love you.

00:22:50.000 God loves you because he created you and sent his son to die for you.

00:22:54.000 I'm going to get off my throne.

00:22:55.000 That's what Christmas is.

00:22:57.000 I got off my throne.

00:22:58.000 I came down and I rescued you because you could not save yourself.

00:23:02.000 Every other religion tells you how to ascend to God to save yourself.

00:23:05.000 God says, no, I'm getting off my throne, coming down to you to save you.

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00:24:06.000 A movie that was unintentionally, a great example of this, unintentionally, but it's a phenomenal movie where someone goes and serves, sacrifices, and dies so someone else might live is saving Private Ryan.

00:24:19.000 It's a perfect movie of a rescue mission.

00:24:21.000 Again, it's about actually amazing American heroism, but it's the gospel perfectly.

00:24:28.000 Yeah.

00:24:29.000 Where this is a guy, right, who's slated to be killed and all of his brothers are killed, right?

00:24:29.000 Right.

00:24:35.000 Who's going to go save him?

00:24:37.000 Well, someone who leaves a comfortable life and comes and then dies so he can live.

00:24:42.000 That's the gospel, right?

00:24:43.000 And isn't that interesting that those are the movies that we want to watch?

00:24:45.000 No one wants to watch the movie about cowards.

00:24:48.000 Like no one wants to watch the movie where you're clouting sacrifices.

00:24:51.000 Yes.

00:24:52.000 And all of the best war movies and a lot of just the best movies in general are about that redemption and are about that sacrifice.

00:24:59.000 Again, that speaks to the fact that our hearts are after the gospel, even freaking weirdos in Hollywood.

00:25:04.000 Well, of course.

00:25:04.000 And I mean, you look at two other movies that one was made by a guy who is a Christian.

00:25:10.000 I hear he's fun, to put it lightly, is Mel Gibson. 0.87

00:25:13.000 Braveheart dies.

00:25:15.000 Yeah.

00:25:16.000 Right.

00:25:16.000 With William Wallace literally died.

00:25:18.000 And then also Gladiator.

00:25:20.000 Yeah.

00:25:20.000 But that idea of sacrifice for something of a greater purpose.

00:25:25.000 Yeah.

00:25:26.000 That is a very, that resonates with us on a level that is more than anything we can even process.

00:25:33.000 Yeah.

00:25:33.000 There's a spiritual kind of rhythm to that.

00:25:36.000 Yeah, because we're made in the image of God.

00:25:38.000 And whether we admit it or not, we are all seeking after that.

00:25:42.000 We are all seeking after God in one way or another.

00:25:45.000 And our affinity for that sacrificial story is God created us with it as a tool to guide us to him.

00:25:56.000 So in closing here, let's kind of talk a little bit of politics.

00:26:02.000 Where do you see things?

00:26:03.000 You can take it any way you want.

00:26:06.000 Ooh, well, I'm a little, I don't know when this is coming out, but as I'm recording this, I am worried about the state of Georgia and how it is going to affect the state of the country.

00:26:17.000 And I'm really worried about if it doesn't go the way that, you know, Republicans and conservatives want it to go.

00:26:24.000 I'm worried about the legislation that's coming down the pipeline.

00:26:26.000 I don't think that Democrats care one bit that even if they push all the radical legislation that they want, that they're going to lose the majority in the House and the midterms, which they would.

00:26:35.000 I don't think they care.

00:26:36.000 I think that they are going to, you know, they're going to do whatever they can while they have the opportunity.

00:26:40.000 And we're talking about as much as they can, a radical reconstruction of our systems for the worse.

00:26:47.000 Like we've already seen with Biden's perspective picks for his administration that he is much more concerned with intersectionality and narratives about economic and environmental justice and injustice than he is about actually getting anything done that's good for the country.

00:27:05.000 And Donald Trump, you know, whatever people think about certain parts about Donald Trump, one thing I really liked about him is that he cared about getting things done.

00:27:14.000 He cared about having effective cabinet picks.

00:27:17.000 And I really do think, like, you did a panel with about China earlier at SAS that I just thought was incredible.

00:27:23.000 And there is no worse man for this moment than Joe Biden when it comes to a threat like China and when it comes to our domestic needs.

00:27:31.000 And with all of the personality traits that Donald Trump has, he was the right man for the moment.

00:27:36.000 And I'm worried about the shift of going back into the Obama years, except worse.

00:27:43.000 But, you know, for such a time as this, we'll figure it out.

00:27:46.000 Well, your voice is more important than ever before in this moment.

00:27:49.000 The title of the book is You're Not Enough.

00:27:52.000 And that's okay.

00:27:53.000 And that's okay.

00:27:53.000 I got this.

00:27:54.000 Escaping the toxic culture.

00:27:55.000 I only ask you just because I always screwed up.

00:27:58.000 I think I did it in our first interview.

00:27:59.000 I totally screwed it up.

00:28:00.000 I was like, you're not okay.

00:28:02.000 You're not okay.

00:28:02.000 And that's enough.

00:28:03.000 Yeah, I said that I said.

00:28:05.000 Yeah.

00:28:06.000 Well, I guess that's no, that's not really true.

00:28:09.000 It's a little pink book.

00:28:10.000 Guys can read it.

00:28:11.000 It is kind of geared towards women, but it is a little pink book.

00:28:14.000 Well, I want to compliment you, though, because this, and I meant to chime in, but you were doing a phenomenal job detailing it.

00:28:21.000 This kind of self-love women's ministry culture in a lot of mega churches.

00:28:26.000 And it's really interesting, particularly in the South.

00:28:29.000 This is growing like crazy.

00:28:31.000 I don't know if you've seen that or not as well, but especially in Georgia and Alabama and Texas, there is a massive movement of this kind of Oprah style theology.

00:28:44.000 So Oprah theology is like, well, there's a God, but we'll never know him.

00:28:49.000 And he's ambivalent and you don't pray.

00:28:51.000 You just kind of exist and meander and, you know, we'll go buy a bunch of lotions and something, like whatever.

00:28:58.000 Essential oils, Charlie.

00:28:59.000 It's essential oils. 1.00

00:29:01.000 I don't know what a mimeogram is. 0.94

00:29:03.000 Okay.

00:29:03.000 Whatever that thing.

00:29:04.000 I meant to interrupt you.

00:29:05.000 I've no idea.

00:29:06.000 Enneagram.

00:29:08.000 It's a personality test.

00:29:09.000 Is it like horoscope?

00:29:11.000 Well, it's similar, but defenders of the Enneagram will get really mad if you call it that.

00:29:17.000 What is it?

00:29:18.000 Is it Emmeagram?

00:29:19.000 Enneagram.

00:29:20.000 You see, we're learning.

00:29:21.000 Yeah.

00:29:21.000 It's personality.

00:29:22.000 It's personality type.

00:29:24.000 It's very popular.

00:29:25.000 Is it very popular?

00:29:28.000 Did they like roll dice and stuff?

00:29:29.000 Or is it like they fill out things? 0.87

00:29:31.000 No, I bet Erica's probably taking it.

00:29:32.000 I've taken the test.

00:29:33.000 I guarantee Erica can tell you.

00:29:35.000 What's your numbers?

00:29:37.000 I don't even know.

00:29:39.000 No, I'm not a three.

00:29:40.000 I'm not a three because I'm not an accomplisher.

00:29:43.000 One through nine.

00:29:47.000 Let me ask you this last question, though, about that. 0.84

00:29:48.000 Why do you think women are more likely to do that than men?

00:29:52.000 I've never even heard of it.

00:29:53.000 Yeah.

00:29:53.000 Well, because I think that we are, and I mean this in a really good way.

00:29:57.000 God made us this way.

00:29:58.000 We're more emotional creatures.

00:29:59.000 Like we really want to empathize and understand.

00:30:01.000 And that includes ourself.

00:30:04.000 But the Bible doesn't really call us to that kind of like self-understanding journey.

00:30:08.000 Not that it's bad to understand how we work and the personality and the gift that God gave us.

00:30:13.000 I think that's all well and good.

00:30:14.000 But when we obsess over that kind of thing, like the self becomes the idol.

00:30:18.000 And it's like that girl who emailed me.

00:30:20.000 It's like, you're not even able to see the world through a biblical lens.

00:30:22.000 And what is God calling me to?

00:30:24.000 But what is appropriate for my personality type? 0.99

00:30:27.000 The Enneagram was created by a freaking lunatic who was, I'm not kidding. 0.96

00:30:32.000 He says he was visited by a demon who told him how to create this whole thing. 0.99

00:30:39.000 And so it's crazy, but it's infiltrated the church.

00:30:41.000 Like churches are using this stuff.

00:30:43.000 I'm like, is the word of God not sufficient for self-understanding?

00:30:48.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:30:49.000 Yeah, women are attracted to it, I think, for that reason. 1.00

00:30:51.000 And a lot of women weren't taught theology.

00:30:54.000 It's like, oh, men need the hard stuff. 0.95

00:30:55.000 And women just kind of need to be told that you're not fat or something like that.

00:31:01.000 Like, that's our biggest problem in the world is that we're insecure about our bodies.

00:31:04.000 And so every book that we read and every sermon that we hear is just about how society is so bad and we have been oppressed.

00:31:12.000 And all you need to know is that Jesus is there to tell you that your hair looks pretty.

00:31:16.000 It's like, no, woman, your biggest problem is men's biggest problem, that you're a sinner who's going to stand before a holy God one day. 0.82

00:31:23.000 And if Jesus Christ is not your justification, then your destination is the same as any sinner. 0.91

00:31:29.000 That's the woman's biggest problem, just like anyone else's. 0.99

00:31:33.000 And if we're not taught proper theology and soteriology, then we're destined, destined for hell, just like anyone else. 1.00

00:31:40.000 I tell people, and we say this on our podcast, the best way I can get people's attention about the gospel is you will die one day, no matter how hard you try.

00:31:48.000 Do you know what's going to happen next?

00:31:50.000 Yeah.

00:31:50.000 If the answer is no, then I hope you look into this podcast and others like it.

00:31:56.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:31:57.000 But I was told that if you wore a mask, that you'll never die.

00:32:02.000 Oh, is that the new marker of the emergency?

00:32:05.000 Yes, that's well, the God of scientism told me that.

00:32:08.000 Yes.

00:32:08.000 So, yeah.

00:32:09.000 That is the new, that is the new religion. 0.97

00:32:11.000 That's the new doctrine. 0.94

00:32:12.000 Yeah.

00:32:12.000 Yes.

00:32:13.000 And patron Saint Anthony Fauci is.

00:32:15.000 You know what's amazing?

00:32:17.000 Is that there is more truth about epidemiology in the Bible than anything Dr. Fauci has ever said.

00:32:23.000 No, it's interesting.

00:32:24.000 You look at the rabbinical laws, washing your hands before eating.

00:32:29.000 I can't say I've ever thought about this.

00:32:30.000 Quarantining the sick.

00:32:32.000 It's in Leviticus.

00:32:33.000 Leviticus 3, right, Andrew, or something?

00:32:36.000 Leviticus, which is if someone in your community or something is sick, remove them.

00:32:42.000 They understood germ theory before anyone else.

00:32:44.000 And the earth, not the earth, the Bible has more insights into a spherical earth.

00:32:50.000 I mean, the Bible is a scientific document just as much as anything else.

00:32:54.000 Yeah.

00:32:55.000 When I say that, the secular angels, but they've never read the Bible.

00:32:59.000 Yeah.

00:33:00.000 They don't know that, but that's another discussion for another time.

00:33:03.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:33:03.000 That's interesting.

00:33:04.000 Ellie, thank you for joining us.

00:33:05.000 And your podcast is relatable.

00:33:08.000 And it's on Blaze TV.

00:33:09.000 You can get it anywhere you listen to podcasts.

00:33:11.000 It's terrific.

00:33:12.000 All right.

00:33:12.000 Thank you, Ellie.

00:33:13.000 Thank you.

00:33:16.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:33:18.000 Again, if you want to support us, go to charliekirk.com slash support.

00:33:21.000 Email us your questions, freedom at charliekirk.com.

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00:33:26.000 God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - January 02, 2021

A False Gospel Infecting the American Church with Allie Beth Stuckey

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