The Charlie Kirk Show - A Four Point Plan to Win the War Against Big Tech with Blake Masters

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00:02:23.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:25.000 With us today, it's a friend of mine, Blake Masters.

00:02:27.000 Blake, welcome.

00:02:28.000 Thanks for having me.

00:02:28.000 Thanks.

00:02:29.000 Blake is running for the United States Senate in Arizona.

00:02:32.000 Never ran for anything before, unless you ran for like student body president Stanford or where?

00:02:38.000 No, like middle school.

00:02:40.000 Yeah.

00:02:40.000 So your candidacy is one that's getting headlines, but I actually really don't want to talk about politics with you.

00:02:46.000 We can if you want.

00:02:47.000 I'd rather talk about ideas and where our country has gone wrong because I think you have a lot to say in that regard.

00:02:56.000 I just want to give our audience some context.

00:02:58.000 You recently joined Tucker Carlson.

00:03:00.000 Tucker had some really good things to say about you jumping into the race.

00:03:04.000 You have a background in tech, best-selling author, New York Times, number one, 3 million copies sold.

00:03:10.000 The book is called Zero to One.

00:03:12.000 We'll flash it on our screen.

00:03:14.000 And you kind of lived a comfortable and good life.

00:03:17.000 And all of a sudden, you want to get into the nastiest kind of thing you possibly can do.

00:03:23.000 Has the country really gone so wrong that you have to get into politics now?

00:03:27.000 I think it has.

00:03:28.000 Like, in some sense, it'd be great if we just had Republican politicians who were going to get the job done, who actually paid attention to what's happening in the country, who actually cared.

00:03:28.000 I think it has.

00:03:39.000 And it seems like we don't.

00:03:40.000 So it actually seems like the most important thing to do.

00:03:42.000 Obviously, I don't need to tell you how important this Arizona Senate seat is, but I think it very well could determine whether or not we have a good country in the next 10 or 20 years.

00:03:51.000 So that's it.

00:03:52.000 I mean, I totally agree.

00:03:53.000 And so let's talk about this.

00:03:54.000 So from a policy standpoint, you're in what I would call kind of a new Republican.

00:03:59.000 JD Vance reminds me a lot of kind of what you talk about.

00:04:03.000 I know you guys know each other, but there's this idea that we as conservatives need to get the basics correct.

00:04:09.000 We need to almost commit to why we're in this in the first place, which is strong families and a strong nation, and then also be unafraid to kind of challenge this, some of this dogma that's been dominating the party.

00:04:24.000 Walk us through that.

00:04:25.000 Yeah, it's like most Republican politicians still parrot lines from, you know, the Reagan administration.

00:04:33.000 And it's like Reagan was a great leader.

00:04:35.000 Okay, he was a great Republican, but that doesn't mean that we're in 1980.

00:04:38.000 It doesn't mean that we're in 1985 right now.

00:04:41.000 And if you think about it, it's like, look at the society that, you know, that Reagan sort of took charge of in 1980, in the 70s, you know, things were stagnant and you had crazy stagflation.

00:04:53.000 It was a consolidated economy.

00:04:56.000 And we needed deregulation.

00:04:58.000 We needed the spirit of dynamism, which I think Reagan had a lot of good policies to address that.

00:05:03.000 We also had to fight the Soviet threat, right?

00:05:07.000 We were fighting communism.

00:05:08.000 It was capitalism versus communism.

00:05:11.000 And so the deregulation, the focus on free markets, all of that made a lot of sense then.

00:05:16.000 Even our China policy made sense then, right?

00:05:19.000 You needed China to industrialize.

00:05:21.000 We wanted China to be more our ally vis-a-vis the Soviets.

00:05:25.000 And so we had a relatively free trade policy with China.

00:05:29.000 That made sense in 1987, you know, but then times changed.

00:05:33.000 We defeated the Soviets.

00:05:34.000 Communism collapsed.

00:05:36.000 The wall fell.

00:05:37.000 And so now it's 1990, 1992, 1994.

00:05:40.000 And what do you do?

00:05:42.000 Do you keep doing the same exact thing?

00:05:44.000 Well, that's what our leaders decided to do.

00:05:46.000 We've offshored our entire industrial base.

00:05:49.000 We helped China industrialize.

00:05:52.000 And for the last 20 or 30 years, we haven't updated the playbook.

00:05:55.000 We've just been repeating the same mindless capitalism versus socialism mantras, and it hasn't actually worked.

00:06:02.000 And this is what President Trump came along and did in 2016.

00:06:05.000 He pointed out, hi, we've been getting taken advantage of for China by China for the last 25 years, and I'm here to put a stop to it.

00:06:12.000 This is something that Republicans need to update instead of just kind of burying their head and doing the things that used to work decades ago.

00:06:19.000 So you're kind of making an argument that from your generation's perspective, it's time for fresh thinking and also to challenge some of this orthodoxy or dogma, as I would call it.

00:06:33.000 One issue in particular you care about, I want to get really into the weeds with you on, is big tech.

00:06:38.000 Yeah.

00:06:39.000 And I always joke around when Mark Zuckerberg testified in front of Congress, I think half the senators asked him if they could get back into their Facebook account because they were logged out.

00:06:48.000 Right.

00:06:49.000 Right.

00:06:49.000 Is the Facebook the thing on the phone?

00:06:51.000 Yeah.

00:06:52.000 Is that like a phone book?

00:06:53.000 It's a series of tubes.

00:06:54.000 The internet is a series of tubes.

00:06:56.000 They're lecturing Mark Zuckerberg on the internet, and they just sound ridiculous.

00:07:00.000 And Mark Zuckerberg laughed the entire time.

00:07:02.000 Facebook stock goes up from those hearings because people know these regulators, they just don't even know what they're talking about.

00:07:09.000 It's a real problem.

00:07:10.000 So you come from that world.

00:07:12.000 You come from the Menlo Park mentality.

00:07:15.000 You literally went to Stanford.

00:07:17.000 Yes.

00:07:17.000 How big is the threat of tech?

00:07:20.000 I think it's huge.

00:07:21.000 And, you know, it's probably existential.

00:07:23.000 It's like, why is it?

00:07:24.000 That's a good idea.

00:07:24.000 Google.

00:07:25.000 Google at this, I mean, these companies, they're more powerful than most governments.

00:07:29.000 In some sense, in some ways, they're more powerful than the U.S. government.

00:07:33.000 And, you know, Google can swing a presidential election and they can do it in secret.

00:07:38.000 Like, I don't have access to the underlying search algorithms.

00:07:41.000 Who knows how they're tweaking it?

00:07:42.000 Our government doesn't have access to that.

00:07:45.000 And Facebook, maybe when they censor, it's a little bit more transparent.

00:07:49.000 Like they ripped the Hunter Biden laptop story.

00:07:51.000 I think that was a New York Post story, right?

00:07:53.000 It's like one of the biggest newspapers in the country.

00:07:55.000 It was founded by Alexander Hamilton.

00:07:57.000 And Facebook takes this story, which is factual and true.

00:08:01.000 And the week before an election, they rip it off their platform, which is that is political censorship.

00:08:06.000 And Facebook is at the scale where it's as powerful as a government.

00:08:11.000 I think that has huge First Amendment implications.

00:08:13.000 And no company of that scale should be allowed to influence our elections like that.

00:08:18.000 And so if we don't do anything about it, these companies are just going to come and increasingly dominate our politics, dominate our society.

00:08:25.000 There's going to be very little room for any sort of free exchange of ideas.

00:08:28.000 So, but Blake, some people say they're private companies.

00:08:31.000 It's no different than the local baker that shouldn't be forced to make a cake for the gay couple.

00:08:37.000 That is a stupid argument.

00:08:40.000 Tell me why is it stupid?

00:08:41.000 It is stupid.

00:08:41.000 And you know what?

00:08:42.000 Eight years ago, I'm sympathetic to it.

00:08:44.000 I remember the first time.

00:08:45.000 I haven't said it before.

00:08:46.000 I have too.

00:08:47.000 I remember the, and it was less stupid in 2013.

00:08:50.000 I remember when people in Silicon Valley in 2011, 2012, right, when Facebook was going public, people started sounding the alarm, like real tech libertarian type people.

00:08:59.000 And it was like, gosh, maybe we should regulate Facebook as a public utility.

00:09:02.000 And I remember at the time thinking that was crazy.

00:09:05.000 And it probably was crazy back then, although it was somewhat prescient.

00:09:09.000 No, this idea that you have to treat huge multinational corporations that control the flow of information in our society, you have to treat those the same way as you'd treat a hair salon or a bakery.

00:09:21.000 Like that's absolutely absurd.

00:09:23.000 And the Republicans that I'm talking to, you know, activists in the Republican Party, real pro-market type people, pro-entrepreneurship, pro-business, now they're ready to hear this argument.

00:09:34.000 They agree.

00:09:34.000 They know that at a certain point, the government goes and sets the rules for the market.

00:09:40.000 That's what it does.

00:09:41.000 It doesn't mean throw your hands up and let companies get so big that they can dominate an entire society.

00:09:45.000 That's not, that's not what, or if that's what you think laissez-faire is, God help you, because you're not going to have that.

00:09:50.000 Well, I also think the problem is that markets need to be a means to an end.

00:09:54.000 That's right.

00:09:54.000 The market doesn't need to be the end.

00:09:56.000 And this is what I mean about Reaganite dogma.

00:09:58.000 It's like when you raise a whole generation of people to say free market capitalism is the be-all and end-all, it's like, no, free market capitalism is good because it creates a system in which human beings can flourish, in which families can flourish and society can flourish.

00:10:12.000 But the market is a tool that serves human ends.

00:10:16.000 It serves human flourishing.

00:10:18.000 And if you reverse it, it just becomes an idol.

00:10:21.000 You worship the market no matter what happens.

00:10:23.000 Well, then we become, we don't become ends focused.

00:10:28.000 Right.

00:10:28.000 The ends then just is the lack of interference towards your desired company, regardless of any sort of damage that might be occurring or an externality that might be created.

00:10:39.000 So what is the ends that we should demand then, Blake?

00:10:41.000 Because you become a U.S. Senator.

00:10:43.000 What are you going to advocate for through all these sorts of different potential legislative choices you can make?

00:10:51.000 Are you going to say the ends, obviously you're not going to say this, are just like the market.

00:10:55.000 What does success look like?

00:10:57.000 What is the country actually trying to build?

00:10:58.000 I think it's super commonsensical.

00:11:00.000 It's just, can you raise, well, here's one tagline.

00:11:04.000 You have to be able to raise a family in America on one single income.

00:11:09.000 Like that is the goal.

00:11:10.000 That's unthinkable.

00:11:11.000 We used to be able to do it.

00:11:12.000 You used to be able to do it.

00:11:13.000 Globalization happened.

00:11:15.000 A lot of bad policy choices happened.

00:11:17.000 Modernization happened.

00:11:18.000 So it's a complicated story why.

00:11:18.000 You can't do it anymore.

00:11:20.000 But that is, I think, I think a real good distillation of the goal.

00:11:24.000 Like if you can raise a family in America, if you can afford to do that and you live in a safe and secure neighborhood, a community, an actual cohesive community, and you have economic opportunity, you can go and get training.

00:11:36.000 You can go and get educated.

00:11:37.000 You can go get a job.

00:11:39.000 You be free to worship according to your conscience and then have kids and then have grandkids.

00:11:44.000 Like that's what it's about.

00:11:45.000 It's just a healthy society.

00:11:47.000 It's really not complicated.

00:11:49.000 Except our policymakers can't even talk like this.

00:11:51.000 Why have our policymakers made it so complicated?

00:11:54.000 Why is it that that's considered to be a central planning type thing?

00:11:58.000 Why is that?

00:11:59.000 I, again, I think on, well, the left, I think, doesn't care about the family.

00:12:03.000 I think they don't like that program.

00:12:06.000 The whole project of liberalism is to just free people of unchosen bonds.

00:12:11.000 So it's like the idea that you might have to care for your parents someday just as they cared for you.

00:12:15.000 No, no, no, can't do that.

00:12:16.000 We should have a private corporation be like a giant nursing home conglomerate and you should ship your parents off to, you know, something like this.

00:12:24.000 It's just individualism run amok.

00:12:27.000 But like the individual is important.

00:12:29.000 So is the family.

00:12:30.000 So is the community.

00:12:31.000 And I think people on the right understand this a little bit more than the left.

00:12:34.000 The left is just hedonistic and they don't care about families.

00:12:38.000 The right cares more about families.

00:12:40.000 But again, I think they've made families and family life and a healthy community life subservient to the market.

00:12:47.000 I think they've got it precisely backwards.

00:12:49.000 Again, because I think there's too much of an obsession over the Reaganite past.

00:12:55.000 You know, we just have to, we just have to update.

00:12:58.000 And again, I credit President Trump for, he's not an economic theorist, but he intuited that this was off, that the balance was off.

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00:16:00.000 Let's go back to tech for a second because I do want to really focus on that.

00:16:03.000 Is it time to break up these companies?

00:16:05.000 I think so.

00:16:06.000 I think, so I have sort of like a cute four-part plan here.

00:16:10.000 Section 230.

00:16:11.000 People talk about it a lot.

00:16:12.000 You know, President Trump was tweeting Section 230, caps, caps lock, exclamation point.

00:16:17.000 And so that's become like the thing that people want to hear about.

00:16:20.000 Section 230, though, just means you strip away the sort of platform immunity that these companies enjoy when they act as publishers, when they actually put their thumb on the scale and they say, we're going to censor this, we're going to run this content.

00:16:32.000 They're being publishers, they're being editors, so you should treat them as such.

00:16:35.000 That's fine.

00:16:36.000 I think that's table stakes.

00:16:37.000 We should do it.

00:16:38.000 The companies don't like it, but that's just step one.

00:16:40.000 Step two, I think, is to treat these companies, Facebook, Google, Twitter, et cetera, as common carriers, just like the phone company.

00:16:47.000 So the phone company cannot kick you or me off because we have a conversation about conservative politics.

00:16:54.000 They would love to.

00:16:55.000 They would love to, but they can't do it.

00:16:57.000 We should make sure that Facebook can't do it, not that the phone companies should do it.

00:17:02.000 You treat them as common carriers, public utilities.

00:17:04.000 I think Senator Haggerty had a bill on this that was pretty good.

00:17:07.000 Clarence Thomas wrote about this in a dissent, too.

00:17:09.000 Strongly indicating that we ought to take a look at this.

00:17:12.000 And I agree with Justice Thomas on so much.

00:17:14.000 He's the man.

00:17:15.000 He's the man.

00:17:16.000 But step three is using antitrust to break these companies up.

00:17:19.000 And Republicans have a rich history with antitrust, right?

00:17:22.000 I mean, Theodore Roosevelt, later Barry Goldwater in our homestead here in Arizona, they knew that Republicans are supposed to distrust concentrations of power.

00:17:34.000 And we're good at that when the government's involved.

00:17:36.000 We distrust big government, and rightfully so.

00:17:39.000 But corporate concentrations of power can also be really bad.

00:17:45.000 You know, these antitrust laws that were written 100 years ago were written for the railroads and the telegraph lines, and they may not elegantly fit the new business model where the company, you know, it's free to use Facebook.

00:17:57.000 So in some sense, like, where's the consumer harm?

00:17:59.000 Because you're not actually getting price gouged or something.

00:18:03.000 So I think we need young, smart people in there to maybe rewrite those laws because it's clear to me that Facebook needs to be broken up.

00:18:09.000 So let's focus on the breaking up one.

00:18:11.000 I've heard a lot of different arguments, but you actually know the nuance of this better than I do.

00:18:16.000 And I'm able to tap dance around it.

00:18:18.000 One counter argument is Charlie, it actually will make them stronger.

00:18:22.000 Is that breaking them up has no teeth?

00:18:25.000 Look at Bell is an example that they use.

00:18:28.000 Is there any merit to that argument?

00:18:30.000 I think if you do it the wrong way, maybe it makes them stronger.

00:18:32.000 Or if you have three big problems and you break them up and all of a sudden you have 27 medium-sized problems, maybe that's administrative.

00:18:38.000 So what's the right way to do it?

00:18:39.000 Well, I think you do it in concert with Section 230 in concert with treating them as public utilities.

00:18:44.000 You break up.

00:18:45.000 I mean, so you can break Facebook up cleanly, right?

00:18:47.000 There's WhatsApp, there's Facebook classic, and then there's Instagram.

00:18:51.000 Oculus.

00:18:52.000 Every line of business should be its probably own company.

00:18:52.000 Oculus.

00:18:57.000 And Facebook probably shouldn't have been able to buy WhatsApp in the first place.

00:19:00.000 And that's been a huge challenge and they've won, though.

00:19:02.000 DOJ probably should have, a healthy DOJ probably would have blocked.

00:19:05.000 Or FTC would have led the charge.

00:19:07.000 FTC.

00:19:09.000 Google, for instance, it's like they have their search engine.

00:19:13.000 And with their growing cloud business, they also own so much infrastructure of the core internet.

00:19:19.000 Those should be separate businesses.

00:19:21.000 They're logically separate.

00:19:22.000 And YouTube.

00:19:23.000 And what Google does is they buy a company or two every week for the last, you know, however many years, 15 years, 20 years.

00:19:29.000 They sit on them.

00:19:30.000 They buy it.

00:19:31.000 Maybe they integrate some of the tech, but mostly they just squash it.

00:19:34.000 And that's anti-competitive.

00:19:35.000 Like, why would any market-loving Republican go on working?

00:19:40.000 Do you think the laws speak to that?

00:19:43.000 Yes, partially.

00:19:45.000 And then there's a lack of political will.

00:19:46.000 Yeah, people that want to use a problem, I think.

00:19:49.000 I think a good FTC and a good, I mean, DOJ has an antitrust division.

00:19:53.000 I think they have enough laws on the books to actually sink some teeth into these companies.

00:19:57.000 And there's a lack of political will, or at least there has been up until this moment, to get something done.

00:20:03.000 I also think the laws probably do need to be modernized.

00:20:05.000 And, you know, you got to really study in detail and you probably need people who understand these businesses to go and, again, rewrite these laws.

00:20:11.000 These laws are like 100 years old.

00:20:13.000 So I think it's both.

00:20:14.000 But we do have tools that we're not using right now.

00:20:17.000 So to go back to breaking them up, other people say that we just let the competitors come online.

00:20:24.000 Breaking them up is messy.

00:20:26.000 Build your own social network.

00:20:27.000 Why is that?

00:20:28.000 Why wouldn't, why, Blake, should we not just say, go build your own Google?

00:20:32.000 Well, come on, WizKid, Blake man.

00:20:34.000 You're so smart.

00:20:36.000 It's such the parlor experience was so interesting here, right?

00:20:39.000 It's like, go build your own social network.

00:20:41.000 So then some people are like, okay, cool.

00:20:43.000 I built my own social network.

00:20:45.000 Can I stay on the internet?

00:20:46.000 And then, you know, Amazon and Apple and everybody's like, no, we're going to rip you off.

00:20:50.000 And Google, you can't be on our app store.

00:20:52.000 You know, Amazon, AWS, that's powering so much of the infrastructure behind these companies.

00:20:56.000 They'll just kick you off.

00:20:57.000 If Cloudflare, you know, decides to deny you DNS services, it's like your website's off the internet.

00:21:04.000 Congratulations.

00:21:05.000 You can't actually build your own social network because the censorship goes so much deeper.

00:21:09.000 It's like at the infrastructure layer.

00:21:11.000 So I find that argument's in bad faith.

00:21:13.000 Plus, like build your own search engine.

00:21:15.000 Well, you can't do it.

00:21:16.000 Google's a monopoly.

00:21:18.000 If you actually did anything interested, you know, in anything interesting, they just buy you up anyway.

00:21:24.000 But like, you're so what?

00:21:25.000 Even if you built better technology than Google, they have such a network effect, you can't actually compete.

00:21:29.000 Like they're a monopoly.

00:21:31.000 That means that you can't really dislodge them, except you have to use the power of the state to do it.

00:21:35.000 So we're staying under number three.

00:21:37.000 We'll get to number four in a second.

00:21:38.000 So the Section 230 and the treat them as common carriers.

00:21:41.000 I get those.

00:21:42.000 The third one is the biggest opposition amongst the free market libertarian types.

00:21:48.000 The base of the party is like break them up into a million pieces.

00:21:51.000 And it's mostly kind of like a retribute, like a retribution type justice type thing.

00:21:57.000 You know what I mean?

00:21:58.000 Kind of like they screwed up.

00:21:59.000 They want to punish them.

00:22:00.000 Like I want to punish Twitter for kicking President Trump off.

00:22:03.000 I'm the same.

00:22:03.000 Holy crap.

00:22:04.000 So I had a Zoom call recently with a certain tech company leader that you would know, and I'll say it offline.

00:22:11.000 And they're like, well, what's the philosophical argument?

00:22:13.000 Like, I thought you're a free market guy.

00:22:14.000 I said, no, no, no.

00:22:15.000 I want you to suffer.

00:22:16.000 That's the philosophical argument.

00:22:18.000 I said, you have waged cultural jihad on us.

00:22:21.000 Right.

00:22:21.000 And you accept us not, you know, expect us not to use political power.

00:22:26.000 So the question, I guess, with this is some people would say, Charlie or Blake, you break them up, then the Chinese companies are going to rule.

00:22:34.000 Would you really want that to happen?

00:22:35.000 Have you heard this argument?

00:22:37.000 Not specifically.

00:22:38.000 That we want American social media companies to rule, not Chinese companies.

00:22:42.000 Those same people don't even want us to ban TikTok.

00:22:45.000 Exactly right.

00:22:46.000 Which I thought the Trump administration was like close to doing.

00:22:48.000 Unfortunately, didn't quite get that done.

00:22:51.000 Yeah, Huawei is not going to take over the American internet.

00:22:55.000 Well, but I always, I say in response, I say, wait, how is Facebook and Google not already a Chinese company?

00:23:00.000 Totally.

00:23:00.000 They're happy to do whatever.

00:23:01.000 They do whatever they ask.

00:23:02.000 Yep.

00:23:03.000 So it's kind of like, and by the way, I would prefer to have some sort of a company that tries to win over the American consumer than one that has like complete influence.

00:23:12.000 That holds them in complete contempt.

00:23:14.000 Exactly.

00:23:14.000 At least like there's some sort of like a persuasion index.

00:23:17.000 Right.

00:23:17.000 Yeah.

00:23:18.000 No, we can't get into Chinese markets for the most part.

00:23:20.000 I mean, Google's in there a little bit.

00:23:21.000 Facebook can't really get in.

00:23:22.000 And we let TikTok in.

00:23:23.000 Yes.

00:23:24.000 It's just like we let an entire generation of young people send all their data back to CCP in China.

00:23:30.000 We just let it happen.

00:23:31.000 What are the potential downsides of breaking up a company?

00:23:35.000 I mean, gosh, with these companies, I don't see much downside.

00:23:41.000 I really don't.

00:23:42.000 Like, look, the world was pretty good before Facebook, or at least Facebook, you know, there's some benefits, but I think it's a net negative at this point.

00:23:48.000 I don't think you need it.

00:23:49.000 Like, if you ruined Facebook's business, I guess it's like bad for the shareholders.

00:23:53.000 You know, some mostly institutional, but some ma and pa people own Facebook and there'd be some stock losses or something like that.

00:24:01.000 But you could remedy those.

00:24:03.000 Yeah.

00:24:03.000 And it's like the world, you know, Google has been helpful.

00:24:07.000 And it's like the world was also fine before everybody was just like addicted to their phones.

00:24:11.000 Would you expand the tech critique to Apple and Amazon as well?

00:24:15.000 Why are you really focused on the communication technology?

00:24:19.000 Well, we'll get into point four here, which has to do with targeted advertising.

00:24:22.000 But I think Apple's the least bad of these companies.

00:24:25.000 I think it's pretty bad.

00:24:26.000 Like it's happy to use slave labor.

00:24:28.000 Also, Apple News is really bad.

00:24:30.000 It's the editorialization.

00:24:32.000 It's notifying the Washington Post to every 19-year-old in the country.

00:24:36.000 Yep.

00:24:37.000 I think that's bad.

00:24:39.000 I think the monopolistic behavior that Apple engages in on its app store is bad.

00:24:44.000 It's basically like you can't go build your own app store.

00:24:46.000 That's the whole point.

00:24:47.000 You can't really go to the business.

00:24:48.000 They built their own operating system.

00:24:50.000 Yeah, and it's so closed, and now they want to charge app developers 30% of all revenues.

00:24:54.000 And I have some problems with that.

00:24:55.000 But I will say Apple's the best of them, or I'd say the least bad is probably the way to put it, because they don't rely on targeted advertising for their business.

00:25:04.000 So let's get to number four then.

00:25:05.000 Number four is: I think we should probably just go ahead and ban targeted advertising.

00:25:08.000 What is targeted advertising?

00:25:09.000 Targeted advertising is advertising that these companies can serve to you specifically based on all the crazy large amounts of data they have on you.

00:25:20.000 So Google knows basically everything about you, right?

00:25:23.000 Unless you're very tech savvy and you've taken steps to not use Google or disguise yourself or something, but they have years and years of search history on most people.

00:25:31.000 They know exactly what you've been into on the internet and they build this profile of you and they can use it to basically manipulate you as a consumer, right?

00:25:38.000 So I'm going to be able to serve you ads that I'm highly statistically confident will work, i.e., you're going to spend the money.

00:25:49.000 That really works on people.

00:25:51.000 It's kind of a hard case to make because people don't feel like it works.

00:25:54.000 Everybody wants to think, oh, advertising doesn't work on me.

00:25:56.000 It does work on you.

00:25:57.000 Tell me why.

00:25:58.000 It absolutely does.

00:25:59.000 Because it's, I mean, it just does.

00:26:04.000 Well, what's the data behind that?

00:26:06.000 So if you it basically hacks people's psychology.

00:26:10.000 It's like if like Google knows more about you in some clinical cold sense than your wife does.

00:26:16.000 And the same is true of me.

00:26:17.000 The same is true of everybody.

00:26:18.000 These companies know they know your location.

00:26:21.000 They know how you spend money.

00:26:23.000 They know what you search.

00:26:25.000 They probably know many of our thoughts in some sense before we even think them.

00:26:29.000 I mean, it's like getting into sort of minority report level premonition type stuff.

00:26:35.000 It's really scary.

00:26:35.000 I mean, they have terabytes of data on every individual person.

00:26:38.000 This is not stuff.

00:26:39.000 I guess technically it's data we volunteered to them and technically we signed their user consent by actually using these companies, but it's not real consent.

00:26:48.000 People have no idea how much data these companies are collecting on them and using it against them in this commercial context.

00:26:56.000 Sometimes it's good.

00:26:57.000 Like there's some consumer benefit to this, right?

00:26:59.000 Like on Instagram, I actually get ads that for products I sometimes buy and like and sometimes I can even appreciate that, right?

00:27:07.000 But the downside, the underbelly of it is very dark.

00:27:11.000 And when you let a handful of companies, you know, in a nation of 300 million people, basically acquire so much knowledge about each individual person that you can make what I think are predatory advertising decisions, you get this really weird economic system.

00:27:32.000 I think it just preys on people.

00:27:34.000 I would have maybe less of a problem with it if the companies didn't use these monopoly, monopoly profits to do bad, nefarious political things.

00:27:42.000 But this is why these companies are so profitable.

00:27:44.000 It's the targeted advertising.

00:27:46.000 I think Facebook could still have an interesting business if it had to advertise like a magazine advertises or like a billboard, you know, where you can't specifically and precisely deliver the ads that the person is, you know, going to likely respond to based on all that historical data.

00:27:59.000 Now, I can already hear the Chamber of Commerce screaming and sending a lobbyist to go destroy your political campaign because the argument in response is that the chamber will say, this will make us more ineffective.

00:28:13.000 This will make us less efficient.

00:28:16.000 We won't have as much corporate profits and we'll have to lay off workers.

00:28:20.000 So, for example, the lobbyist will say, Blake, or the spokesperson for the chamber, we buy advertising on Christian radio because we're targeting a Christian radio audience.

00:28:31.000 Why shouldn't we be able to tell Facebook we want to just target people that have liked Christian radio stations?

00:28:36.000 Why is that different?

00:28:37.000 It's going to make advertising a little bit less efficient.

00:28:40.000 And I think there's a definite trade-off to it.

00:28:43.000 We've tilted so far in the direction, though, of just completely letting Facebook and Google and Amazon too.

00:28:50.000 You know, Amazon sells these little devices, right?

00:28:53.000 What is it, the Echo?

00:28:53.000 The Alex.

00:28:54.000 The Alexa and the Echo Dot or whatever.

00:28:57.000 It literally listens to people's living room conversations if it's in the bedroom, if you're sort of unwise enough to put these things in your bedroom.

00:29:04.000 You shouldn't have one at all.

00:29:05.000 It listens to what you say and it will, though they probably say they don't do this, but they absolutely do.

00:29:11.000 They will refine their ad model and add data points into your file to go and serve you ads.

00:29:16.000 And how many people have experienced this, right?

00:29:18.000 Like you're talking to your girlfriend or to your mom or something about a product and 10 minutes later it shows up on your iPhone.

00:29:25.000 Or like, gosh, it'd be fun to go camping.

00:29:26.000 Is that a coincidence?

00:29:27.000 It's not a coincidence.

00:29:28.000 And I think it's really messed up.

00:29:30.000 And I think, you know, you can make some economic efficiency argument.

00:29:35.000 But I think people are kind of sick and tired of that.

00:29:37.000 Or at least when I and a bunch of other people are done telling people how predatory this is and how insane this data collection stuff is, I think people are going to have a real big problem with it because people don't really know what they're giving up.

00:29:51.000 So look, it's not clear to me that we shouldn't just ban targeted ads, or at least that's the table stakes.

00:29:55.000 That's my opening offer.

00:29:56.000 And then maybe you end up with some better regulatory regime where people have more control over what data they're actually giving to these companies.

00:30:04.000 Section 230.

00:30:05.000 Yep.

00:30:05.000 Repeal it.

00:30:06.000 Treat them as common carriers.

00:30:07.000 Yep.

00:30:07.000 Sherman Antitrust Act.

00:30:09.000 Break them up to the extent it makes sense.

00:30:11.000 And then ban targeted advertising.

00:30:13.000 Yeah.

00:30:14.000 I think we should do that.

00:30:15.000 That last one, I mean, I agree.

00:30:16.000 It's sort of nuclear.

00:30:18.000 Well, because you're not just going after the tech companies then.

00:30:20.000 You're going after Estee Laudur.

00:30:24.000 You're going after Marriott.

00:30:26.000 Look, they may just have to advertise just like they did in 2001.

00:30:30.000 And they're going to say, well, our profits weren't as great then.

00:30:32.000 We weren't as many.

00:30:33.000 It's kind of a spray and pray strategy.

00:30:35.000 Who are you, Blake, you collectivist social central planner?

00:30:39.000 I don't know.

00:30:40.000 Far from it.

00:30:40.000 It's better to have a healthy country where you don't just let a few multinational corporations prey on people and you can have a healthy, you know, advertising businesses made money before big data.

00:30:53.000 They really did.

00:30:54.000 And all I'm saying is we got to tilt back in the direction towards consumer privacy and protecting people because they have no idea what these companies are doing with their.

00:31:01.000 Do you think targeted advertising is one of the reasons we've seen such a dramatic acceleration of wealth inequality in our country?

00:31:08.000 I'd have to unpack that and think about it.

00:31:11.000 Well, it makes it easier for big companies to be able to maximize profits.

00:31:15.000 So for example, for every dollar that they would have in their marketing budget, it'll go a lot further with targeted ads than if they just bought radio or television.

00:31:25.000 Sure.

00:31:25.000 So therefore, the 100 most valuable companies just on basically will get more valuable because they will be able to sell more products to people quicker and more efficiently.

00:31:38.000 It certainly doesn't help.

00:31:39.000 I don't know how much it I'm just asking from an economic driving trend.

00:31:44.000 How critical or not has targeted advertising been to some of these other economic trends?

00:31:48.000 I think to the extent the big company, the big tech company, the rise of big tech has contributed to wealth inequality, which is some.

00:31:54.000 I don't think it's mostly.

00:31:55.000 I don't think rising inequality is probably mostly a Silicon Valley phenomenon, although I think the massive success of the big tech companies contributes to it.

00:32:03.000 It definitely doesn't help.

00:32:05.000 I think the inequality problem is probably just much deeper.

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00:34:37.000 Where are the Democrats on this tech issue?

00:34:39.000 I thought they hated big stuff.

00:34:42.000 They used to, and then they realized it's like, well, the White House actually finds it convenient to be able to tell Facebook, hey, that's misinformation.

00:34:49.000 Go ahead and pull that off.

00:34:50.000 Don't let anybody talk about side effects of vaccines, for instance.

00:34:53.000 We wouldn't want to spread disinformation on the platform.

00:34:56.000 So I think now the left or Democrats are finding it convenient.

00:35:02.000 And certainly these companies are ideological.

00:35:04.000 I think Twitter is probably the worst.

00:35:06.000 But I know many rank and file engineers at these companies and most are died in the wool progressives.

00:35:11.000 And so surprise, surprise, these companies, if you zoom out, they have a very left-leaning politics.

00:35:18.000 Democrats used to, yeah, used to be for the little guy, used to be against, you know, corporate concentration of power.

00:35:26.000 Not so much anymore.

00:35:28.000 It's interesting, though, because like President Biden did nominate Lena Kahn to run the FTC.

00:35:35.000 And I think most of his nominations are garbage, just garbage.

00:35:40.000 And Maybe she'll turn out to be a disappointment, but I supported her nomination for what that's worth.

00:35:46.000 And I think it's interesting because she's written about, you know, economic harms to Main Street America that Amazon causes.

00:35:55.000 And I think it's interesting.

00:35:57.000 So we'll see what she does.

00:35:58.000 And they elevated her to chairman, right?

00:36:00.000 Of the FTC.

00:36:01.000 She's got to get confirmed first.

00:36:02.000 She's got to get confirmed.

00:36:03.000 But it's very interesting, though.

00:36:05.000 So we'll see.

00:36:05.000 Will they get serious about this?

00:36:07.000 Or is this just them playing politics and they know there's going to be a rising consumer backlash against these companies?

00:36:12.000 Yeah, I'm more cynical.

00:36:13.000 I think they're doing it as a way to threaten the tech companies to get what they want.

00:36:17.000 Sure.

00:36:17.000 Yeah.

00:36:18.000 Yeah.

00:36:18.000 Politically.

00:36:19.000 Well, that's how antitrust has usually been used.

00:36:19.000 Yeah.

00:36:21.000 That's just, we have the hammer.

00:36:22.000 Don't make us use it.

00:36:23.000 And that's usually.

00:36:24.000 It's sort of Damocles.

00:36:25.000 We're not going to let it fall.

00:36:27.000 That's probably right.

00:36:28.000 That's why it's important to elect Republicans people.

00:36:30.000 I agree.

00:36:30.000 So let's talk about the Republican Party.

00:36:32.000 You've said that they're just kind of stuck in this form of the incantation of the Reagan era.

00:36:39.000 You're trying to change that.

00:36:42.000 And so as you look, as people outside of the state of Arizona look at their candidates, what should they be asking and demanding of their Republican candidates?

00:36:51.000 Because we have a sizable audience here that's very involved.

00:36:55.000 What would you say?

00:36:56.000 I think it's three things.

00:36:57.000 You know, obviously it's important for a candidate to be able to get elected.

00:37:00.000 You got to win a primary and win a general.

00:37:02.000 So every voter needs to be thinking about electability.

00:37:05.000 Two is like, once they're in office, will they vote the right way?

00:37:07.000 And I've talked to so many Republicans in Arizona who are used to hearing good things on the campaign trail.

00:37:12.000 They elect somebody and then that person once in office just takes disappointing vote after vote.

00:37:16.000 What we don't think enough about is point three, which is like, what is this person actually going to do in office?

00:37:22.000 Like why them?

00:37:23.000 Like what is the unique vision of the country that they have?

00:37:28.000 What kind of country are they talking about living in in 10 or 20 years?

00:37:32.000 What's the new thing?

00:37:33.000 And when someone like Josh Hawley, Senator Hawley ran in 2018, I think voters in Missouri could see like he was talking about big tech.

00:37:43.000 He was very concerned about that.

00:37:45.000 That was new.

00:37:45.000 That wasn't that popular to talk about then.

00:37:47.000 You know, we hadn't yet seen much of the censorship from big tech that we saw just in this last 2020 election.

00:37:54.000 So I think he was showing leadership.

00:37:55.000 He was out in front on that issue.

00:37:57.000 And people could tell he was not just a cookie cutter Republican.

00:38:00.000 It wasn't just about electing a guy who was going to vote the right way on the whatever issue was.

00:38:06.000 He was actually charting a new course and saying, hey, I see this problem.

00:38:09.000 It's going to get worse.

00:38:10.000 I'm going to get in and do something about it.

00:38:11.000 And I think that's what people need to be looking for in their candidates.

00:38:16.000 Again, in my announcement video, I caused some controversy sort of on the left and the right by repeating that line that I said a few minutes ago.

00:38:25.000 You ought to be able to raise a family in America on one single income.

00:38:30.000 And I think that's like an obviously commonsensical goal.

00:38:35.000 But like, why don't you hear politicians talking that way?

00:38:38.000 Why is that such a weird thing to say?

00:38:40.000 To me, it seems self-evident.

00:38:41.000 So that's interesting.

00:38:42.000 And I think we ought to be electing people who are willing to not just talk about that, but yeah, say it and then craft policy that's actually going to get us there.

00:38:52.000 Otherwise, you're just sort of along for the ride.

00:38:53.000 And I think most politicians in this country, right and left, are just along for the ride, especially the older ones, by the way, which is why I'm sort of excited about this new generation of young leadership that I think we're seeing.

00:39:05.000 Most baby boomers, God bless them, it's like you had your turn.

00:39:08.000 And so if you're a baby boomer politician who's running for office now, mostly you've probably, you know, you're probably rich.

00:39:14.000 You probably had a successful career and you're just looking for a capstone at the end of it.

00:39:19.000 And I think voters can sense this.

00:39:20.000 If someone's 65, 70 years old.

00:39:22.000 There's a lot of that.

00:39:23.000 And they're running for office.

00:39:24.000 Like, what are you doing?

00:39:25.000 What are you, what are you really going to do?

00:39:27.000 Are you really going to have the energy to chart a new course?

00:39:32.000 Which is why I think there's something so exciting about what you're doing too.

00:39:35.000 It's just mobilizing and educating a new generation of young conservatives.

00:39:39.000 Think it's very radical to be in your 20s or 30s and be a conservative.

00:39:42.000 Yes.

00:39:43.000 Because you're basically saying, I believe that we can hold this ship together.

00:39:48.000 I believe that we can have a cohesive America still in 2030 and 2040 and 2050.

00:39:53.000 And that's actually, I think, given the trajectory, given the, you know, the disintegrating society that we have right now.

00:40:01.000 I mean, it's badly broken.

00:40:02.000 I think to have that optimism and to be able to chart a vision where you can articulate how America will be a functioning country in 2050, like that's radical stuff.

00:40:10.000 But I think in a good way, and that's what we need more of.

00:40:13.000 Yeah, there's been very short-term thinking.

00:40:15.000 You know, we did a whole podcast recently on generational theft on not just the financial stuff, the debt, the inflation, but also just other policy decisions, school closures, mask mandates.

00:40:27.000 There has been this nonstop downward plunder.

00:40:30.000 Right.

00:40:31.000 And I'm not a big, like, I don't like the Cortez thing.

00:40:34.000 Everyone before me is a loser and I hate them all.

00:40:36.000 I don't like that.

00:40:37.000 Right.

00:40:37.000 I think that we are called and commanded to respect our elders and people that came before us.

00:40:42.000 But I also think it needs to come with a very valid concern and critique that the generation that kind of has been in the leadership class the last 15, 20 years is violating the Boy Scout ethos of leave no trace.

00:40:55.000 Right.

00:40:55.000 Like they're leaving the campground much worse than they found it.

00:40:59.000 Yeah.

00:40:59.000 And in some sense, it's like they just sort of automatically had an easy ride, the baby boomer generation.

00:41:06.000 Because the greatest generation set up a framework that was incredible.

00:41:10.000 Yeah.

00:41:10.000 If you were born in 1950, things got better and better every year of your life until maybe sometime very recently.

00:41:19.000 But things just automatically seem to work.

00:41:21.000 It was, as Eric Weinstein would say, the ego.

00:41:23.000 The ego.

00:41:24.000 The embedded growth obligation.

00:41:26.000 Yep.

00:41:26.000 Which I think is one of his favorite things.

00:41:27.000 Things just grew.

00:41:28.000 There was.

00:41:29.000 Yeah.

00:41:30.000 Yeah.

00:41:31.000 We can talk about Eric.

00:41:32.000 I love Eric.

00:41:34.000 Things just got better.

00:41:35.000 Things just worked.

00:41:35.000 You know, you had this post-war boom, this economic miracle.

00:41:41.000 It was a unique set of historical conditions.

00:41:44.000 I think we can get back to that level of prosperity, but it doesn't just happen unthinkingly and automatically.

00:41:50.000 And it certainly doesn't happen if you, as the generation in charge, takes your eye off the ball, you know, and the debt that the baby boomers have left us with, just the crazy politics.

00:42:03.000 Like, I think it, in some ways, you know, the leadership class, the elite leadership class that rose to the top was a selfish generation, and we're all going to pay for it.

00:42:12.000 And the question is, can we correct course?

00:42:16.000 Do you find yourself being able to work with the Cortez types, the Talib types, the Omar types?

00:42:24.000 Depends on the issue.

00:42:25.000 Depends.

00:42:25.000 Depends on the issue.

00:42:26.000 But I agree, I mean, I don't think that's the right perspective to take.

00:42:29.000 No, I'm asking just because you say that this corrosive politics has been inherited.

00:42:35.000 Whether we like it or not, 30% of our generation at least are Bolsheviks, right?

00:42:41.000 Probably more.

00:42:42.000 So how do we heal that?

00:42:43.000 So that's the question.

00:42:44.000 I think the future is Generation Z.

00:42:46.000 It is.

00:42:47.000 I think the Millennials, God bless them, I'm a millennial.

00:42:49.000 I'm a millennial.

00:42:50.000 Waste of time.

00:42:50.000 It's a waste of time.

00:42:51.000 Right.

00:42:51.000 I mean, look, I think in Arizona, for instance, I'll peel off enough to have an interesting voting block because I do think it's not all Bolsheviks.

00:43:00.000 But it has a lot of cynics in the millennials.

00:43:02.000 The millennials will not save America.

00:43:05.000 I agree.

00:43:05.000 Generation Z, if America is to be saved.

00:43:08.000 I totally agree.

00:43:09.000 That's where it is.

00:43:10.000 Because I think, I mean, you know, what I'm, I'm 34.

00:43:13.000 I think I'm like slightly older millennial, but still kind of a younger millennial.

00:43:18.000 Yeah.

00:43:18.000 You're at the young end of the millennials.

00:43:22.000 I think that ship has sailed, but I think the Generation Z kids, right, or someone in college right now, or hopefully they're dropping out of college.

00:43:30.000 They see, they look forward at our generation, especially sort of my side of it, and they just see it not working.

00:43:36.000 Like, okay, great.

00:43:37.000 I've done well.

00:43:38.000 It sort of worked for me.

00:43:39.000 You know, I got lucky.

00:43:40.000 But like most of my peers, even the ones that went to Stanford, like they don't, they're not on track to be able to own a home.

00:43:47.000 And they went to Stanford.

00:43:48.000 Say that again.

00:43:49.000 Most of my peers that went to Stanford are not on track to be able to own a home.

00:43:54.000 And they look back at their parents at their age, early 30s.

00:43:56.000 Their parents were like, you know, buying houses back when houses cost like 85 grand.

00:44:01.000 Yeah.

00:44:01.000 I mean, things just worked then.

00:44:03.000 Now people don't.

00:44:05.000 Most, you know, I have three kids, but like literally most of my classmates do not have children and they're 34, 35.

00:44:12.000 You know, there's going to be a ticking time bomb here.

00:44:15.000 People are sort of promised things will work out.

00:44:17.000 And then, surprise, you're 42, you know, you haven't actually saved that much money.

00:44:23.000 You've had a lot of consumptive experiences, you know.

00:44:26.000 But you don't have a wife and you don't have any kids.

00:44:28.000 You don't have a husband.

00:44:28.000 You don't have any kids.

00:44:29.000 Like, what is that?

00:44:31.000 And I, and my hope is that Generation Z looks forward at our generation and says, like, that's not for me.

00:44:39.000 That doesn't work.

00:44:40.000 I don't want to run that playbook.

00:44:42.000 I pray you're right.

00:44:43.000 You said one thing and then we'll close it out.

00:44:45.000 Dropping out of college.

00:44:47.000 Yeah, do it.

00:44:48.000 Tell me why.

00:44:49.000 Well, we at the Teal Foundation, we run a program called the Teal Fellowship.

00:44:54.000 I applied when I was in high school, graduate high school.

00:44:56.000 I made it to the second round.

00:44:58.000 That's funny.

00:44:59.000 I'm a non-successful Teal fellow.

00:45:00.000 There you go.

00:45:01.000 But you dropped out.

00:45:02.000 You didn't go to college.

00:45:03.000 Then you built something awesome instead.

00:45:05.000 I wasn't smart enough.

00:45:06.000 I wasn't involved in.

00:45:07.000 I'm kidding.

00:45:08.000 No, we pay really sort of, you know, crazy, smart young people $100,000 to your program.

00:45:15.000 And the only condition is you got to drop out of school, drop out of college, and most of them start a business.

00:45:20.000 And I think it's been phenomenally successful.

00:45:22.000 It's like $40 billion in collective.

00:45:24.000 $40 billion in market cap, not including Ethereum, Vitalik Butter, and the founder of Ethereum.

00:45:28.000 Ethereum and see if only I would have been able on the ICO on that one.

00:45:32.000 And me too.

00:45:33.000 I was sitting there thinking about doing it and didn't do it.

00:45:35.000 Oops.

00:45:36.000 And it would not have been a lot of money at the time, right?

00:45:38.000 Oh, 500 bucks then would have made like, you know, five, six million.

00:45:41.000 Oops.

00:45:42.000 You can't do that.

00:45:43.000 This is one thing, but you're in Silicon Valley.

00:45:44.000 You miss so many in retrospect all the time, right?

00:45:48.000 You got to be at peace with it.

00:45:49.000 It's fine.

00:45:49.000 But no, we really sparked this conversation about like, is college worth it?

00:45:54.000 College gets more and more expensive every year.

00:45:56.000 Most people get dumber by going to college.

00:45:59.000 You just got to get indoctrinated.

00:46:00.000 You don't actually learn any valuable life skills.

00:46:03.000 Maybe it's good to like, you know, network with your peers or something like that.

00:46:06.000 But you got to have multiple different paths to success in society instead of just pretending that, you know, you're worthless if you don't go and get this degree.

00:46:17.000 I think we let down an entire generation of kids when we say you have to go to college.

00:46:22.000 We make them incur a lot of debt.

00:46:24.000 They get out.

00:46:25.000 They still don't know what to do.

00:46:27.000 I think that's a problem.

00:46:29.000 My next book is going to be The College Scam.

00:46:31.000 When's it come out?

00:46:33.000 September, October issue.

00:46:35.000 Great.

00:46:36.000 Couldn't be a more important topic.

00:46:38.000 Drop out of school, kids.

00:46:38.000 Do something else.

00:46:40.000 Our parents are driving off the road as they hear this right now.

00:46:44.000 Well, look, God bless them.

00:46:45.000 I get it.

00:46:45.000 You want your kid to not fall through the cracks in our society, but what an indictment of society that you have to go through this crazy, expensive process where you literally almost learn nothing just in order to make sure that you're not like homeless someday.

00:46:58.000 Like we have to do better.

00:47:00.000 And that's why you're running blakemasters.com.

00:47:02.000 Is that right?

00:47:03.000 That's right.

00:47:03.000 Any closing thoughts?

00:47:05.000 Thanks for having me on.

00:47:06.000 Yeah, go to blakemasters.com.

00:47:08.000 Most political websites are horrible.

00:47:10.000 You got ads jumping out everywhere.

00:47:12.000 Volunteer, sign up, donate.

00:47:13.000 No, I wanted a really clear one-page website so you can go and understand exactly where I am on the issues.

00:47:18.000 And grateful for any support you can give.

00:47:21.000 BlakeMasters.com.

00:47:22.000 Blake, thanks so much.

00:47:23.000 Thank you.

00:47:26.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:47:27.000 Email us your questions, freedom at charlottekirk.com.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - August 06, 2021

A Four Point Plan to Win the War Against Big Tech with Blake Masters

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