Learn English with Charlie Kirk, former White House Chief Strategist and founder of Turning Point USA, a youth organization dedicated to fighting for freedom on campuses across the country. Today's episode is a tribute to Independence Day, and a reminder of the importance of the Declaration of Independence.
00:00:00.000Hey everybody, we reflect on Independence Day and we talk about the good news of a judge who strikes down a tyrannical pattern of behavior and also the Solicitor General of Louisiana.
00:00:11.000We talk about the recent injunction that happened in California.
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00:01:17.000I want to begin by celebrating Independence Day.
00:01:22.000We did not broadcast live in observance of the holiday.
00:01:25.000Holiday literally comes from the idea of a holy day.
00:01:29.000That's where we get the word holiday from.
00:01:30.000And I do believe that Independence Day should be regarded in the holy.
00:01:35.000It's one of the most important days in human history.
00:01:38.000Thomas Jefferson wrote it: 56 people signed it, and they changed history forever.
00:01:43.000They said very clearly, when in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and nature's God entitle them.
00:02:00.000A decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to separation.
00:02:07.000I'm going to press pause before I continue.
00:02:10.000That right there is a universal claim.
00:02:13.000When in the course of human events, it means it is applicable today.
00:02:16.000And in some ways, the argument made in the Declaration of Independence is actually more relevant today than even back then.
00:02:25.000Thomas Jefferson goes on to say that if you are a tyrant, a despot, a dictator, and you are taking the liberty and the freedom away of a people, those people have a right to separate, to challenge.
00:02:40.000Thomas Jefferson continued by saying, We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
00:02:52.000That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their powers and the consent of the governed.
00:03:00.000He's telling you what government should be, not what government is.
00:03:04.000Thomas Jefferson is saying here that governments are formed by you, the people, but he says something that is so profound that was never really put into place except maybe Athenian democracy didn't last long.
00:03:16.000Deriving their powers from the consent of the governed, not from King George, not from some monarchy, not from some oligarchy, but from you, the people.
00:03:28.000That whether any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it and to institute a new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form as to them shall seem most likely to affect their safety and happiness.
00:03:49.000Thomas Jefferson then uses an old Greek term that we should use again, which comes from prudentia or practical knowledge.
00:03:57.000He says, prudence, indeed, we don't teach prudence anymore because our government education system, it's all about technical knowledge and new fashionable trends, not about ancient classical wisdom to be able to tell the difference between the holy and the profane and good from evil.
00:04:15.000Prudence indeed will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes.
00:04:22.000It shouldn't be changed just because you don't like little things.
00:04:25.000It should be for significant and heavy reasons.
00:04:28.000And accordingly, all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
00:04:40.000But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, invinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism.
00:04:55.000It is their right, it is their duty to throw off such government and to provide new guards for their future security.
00:05:03.000Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies, and such now is the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government.
00:05:13.000The history of the present king of Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states.
00:05:25.000To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.
00:05:27.000It started universal and went very specific.
00:05:31.000What Thomas Jefferson wrote and what 56 courageous men decided to sign was a document that said human beings have a moral right to be free, that we are free in the state of nature, and that governments are formed to protect our rights.
00:05:50.000This is one of the most consequential, important moments in human history.
00:05:54.000And we are seeing the promise of 1776 be eroded every single day by the current regime in D.C., the Uniparty regime.
00:06:02.000They do not believe in the promise of 1776.
00:06:05.000They believe in a permanent Marxist monarchy, the protection of the Leviathan, of the administrative state.
00:06:11.000Unfolding in front of us today is the daily melee, the battle, the tension between what our founding fathers believed in 1776, as they say in this document, why does government exist?
00:06:25.000To protect our rights, and they're there because we gave them permission.
00:06:29.000The current Marxist monarchy doesn't believe that.
00:06:59.000And it has to, I think it's worthy of noting before we get to a beautiful piece of news that happened yesterday, actually.
00:07:05.000That these wealthy men who signed this document, they very well might have signed a death warrant.
00:07:13.000You know, the radical left and even the uniparty people in D.C., they say, oh, America was not founded on godly principles.
00:07:21.000Why then was God mentioned four times in the Declaration of Independence?
00:07:25.000In fact, at the end of the document, it says, we appeal to the supreme judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do in the name of the authority of the good people of these colonies.
00:07:38.000It reads as we are appealing to the ultimate power.
00:07:43.000This was a vertical appeal that we, the people, we appeal to who gave us life, who breathed us into existence.
00:07:55.000And that tension played out in the Revolutionary War.
00:07:58.000These 56 signers from Samuel Adams to George Walton, you know, 55 out of 56 of them were Bible-believing church attending Christians, and they put everything on the line.
00:08:09.000They put everything on the line so that a new nation could be formed.
00:08:38.000It is a universal claim that is just as applicable to our times today.
00:08:45.000It's because it was not written for the times.
00:08:47.000It was written to stand the test of time because human beings do not change.
00:08:51.000Human beings are going to be self-interested.
00:08:53.000If you do not pass down the values of virtue, prudence, temperance, and discipline, you will get into a state of chaos and disorder.
00:09:04.000This is why we should not have a competing Juneteenth Independence Day.
00:09:09.000It's one of the most important days in human history.
00:09:13.000The creation of the world, the transmission of the great moral app on Sinai, the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Magna Carta, July 4th, 1776.
00:09:25.000That's not an exhaustive list, but those are some of the most important things ever to happen.
00:09:32.000Our individual sovereignty emanates from God, not from government.
00:09:35.000And that is a debated fact right now in D.C. In fact, they believe the state can do no wrong.
00:09:41.000And I'm going to, with this backdrop and this gratitude that we should feel that we live in the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world, that these 56 courageous, wisdom-filled, God-fearing men gave us this nation.
00:09:56.000Yesterday, we saw this play out where the deep state, the uniparty, the administrative state, they wanted to do something, and a certain judge delivered a July 4th gift saying you can't do that.
00:10:10.000And just remember, those 56 signers of the Declaration would be indicted for seditious conspiracy today if the Department of Justice had anything to say about it.
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00:10:58.000So on Independence Day, we saw this very, I don't even want to call it a debate, this collision, this clash play out.
00:11:06.000So on one side, you have the Marxist monarchy, the oligarchy.
00:11:10.000We've talked a lot about them, the Leviathan, the deep state of government, the Uniparty.
00:11:14.000And it's been reported, in fact, we were involved in this.
00:11:17.000The federal government went out of their way to demand that social media companies censor tweets of mine, censor social media posts of people they do not like, all under the guise of fighting disinformation or public health.
00:11:33.000Remember the standing weekly meeting that Yoel Roth from Twitter had with the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
00:11:40.000Remember when they showed up to Mark Zuckerberg and they said, hey, there might be some Russian disinformation.
00:11:46.000Basically, threatening these companies that if they do not censor, if they do not silence the accounts that they demand, that there might be retribution.
00:11:58.000So, there was a lawsuit that was filed against this.
00:12:00.000And on July 4th, of all days, on Independence Day, a federal judge issued a temporary injunction.
00:12:09.000So, we had a lot of good rulings last week on religious liberty, student loan amnesty.
00:12:15.000Thankfully, the bribe is what we call it, the student loan bribe, and on affirmative action.
00:12:20.000Now, a federal judge yesterday issued a preliminary injunction that blocks the Biden regime and his agencies and officials from meeting or communicating with social media companies around and about protected speech.
00:12:34.000The reason for this injunction is that we know from the Twitter files and elsewhere how the government has used these meetings to request that private companies police disinformation.
00:12:45.000It's a way of privatizing mass censorship.
00:12:49.000We are actually in the final stages of preparing a lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security for injuries that they put towards our social media accounts here on the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:13:00.000Now, this is a preliminary injunction, not a final ruling.
00:13:04.000But when an injunction like this strong comes down, it's basically a very, very strong hint about how a judge is likely to rule.
00:13:13.000The judge, Terry A. Doughty, a Trump appointee, wrote in his order yesterday that the plaintiffs, quote, have produced evidence of a massive effort by defendants from the White House to federal agencies to suppress speech based on its content.
00:13:28.000The press reaction to itself is just something else.
00:13:31.000The Washington Post writes up for several paragraphs saying that, oh, a Trump judge did this, and now you're trying to say that the federal government can't contact social media companies.
00:13:41.000The New York Times spin was even more glaring.
00:13:44.000Their main takeaway was that the decision was, quote, a ruling that could curtail efforts to fight disinformation.
00:14:11.000When we said that schools being closed were going to be bad for children, they said it was disinformation.
00:14:16.000When we said that the Hunter Biden laptop was legit, in fact, we lost our Twitter account.
00:14:21.000I lost my Twitter account for a week because I talked about the Hunter Biden laptop at the behest of the federal government in the midst of an election.
00:14:32.000So what they call disinformation, just give a little bit of time, it turns out to be then soon an irrefutable fact.
00:14:37.000Why is the federal government playing air traffic control over what we can say and can't say?
00:14:45.000They're the traffic cops now of speech.
00:14:48.000They've sometimes said disinformation can be true things weaponized against democracy.
00:14:55.000If you speak out against trans stuff, they said you could be spreading medical disinformation.
00:15:00.000Even though our own CDC, the Center for Disease Control and NIH, were spreading legitimate disinformation over the last couple of years.
00:15:08.000So we've had a tradition in this country, the government does not get involved in domestic speech, period.
00:15:31.000Standing up to demand more censorship.
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00:15:54.000Patriot Act, Department of Homeland Security, FBI.
00:15:59.000And these agencies went from law enforcement to intelligence agencies where they're bored and they hate you.
00:16:07.000This federal judge said, no, no, no, no, you're not allowed to do this.
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00:19:07.000Well, yesterday was a big win for free speech and, I mean, a crushing defeat for censorship.
00:19:12.000I mean, it's got to hold, but it's a very, very positive injunction that, you know, if the government wants to challenge it, they'll go to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.
00:19:21.000And I'm sure this case may or may not make it.
00:19:23.000Well, it may or may not make its way all the way to the Supreme Court, but this is the most important free speech case in a generation at least.
00:19:30.000And so when I was AG, we filed this lawsuit, Missouri versus Biden, that alleged that a bunch of different Biden administration agencies essentially were suppressing speech, mostly with conservatives.
00:19:42.000But you saw it play out whether it was the origins of COVID.
00:19:46.000I had an opportunity to take Anthony Fauci's deposition.
00:19:49.000So after I was elected to the Senate, before I was sworn in, we took his deposition.
00:19:54.000We could talk about that if you want to.
00:19:58.000Origins of COVID, Hunter Biden laptop theory.
00:20:01.000We took the deposition of Elvis Chan, who was the FBI agent that essentially was having monthly then weekly meetings, warning these social media giants of a Russian hack and leak operation involving the Hunter Biden laptop, even though they had the laptop in the fall of 2019.
00:20:17.000You saw whether it was the efficacy of masks, transmissibility of COVID with the vaccine.
00:20:23.000I mean, all these, the myriad of these agencies colluding with big tech to censor speech in violation of the First Amendment was the reason we filed the lawsuit.
00:20:33.000And of course, if you read the judge's ruling yesterday on the injunction, I mean, it's pretty strong language.
00:20:39.000And it shouldn't be lost, Charlie, that this was sent out on the 4th of July on Independence Day.
00:20:47.000And so the judge, you know, this is a federal judge, not me saying it, not you saying it, a federal judge saying that the case arguably involves the most massive attack against free speech in U.S. history and comparing it to this Ministry of Truth, which, of course, we allege in this vast censorship enterprise.
00:21:04.000And so the government doesn't get to censor speech and they can't outsource it either.
00:21:07.000And so I was proud to bring the lawsuit and we were able to get, you know, pretty deep into discovery.
00:21:12.000And that evidence essentially ruled the day yesterday.
00:21:14.000And what it says is that these agencies from the CDC to the FDA to DHS to White House officials can no longer do this.
00:21:24.000I mean, there's an order now on the books preventing them from engaging in this kind of activity.
00:21:28.000And now the Senate will try to hold their feet in the fire, but it's a big win.
00:21:33.000And there's other components that I want to kind of talk about here.
00:21:37.000The first of which is we do not know how deep the censorship actually goes.
00:21:41.000Thanks to Elon Musk and the Twitter files, we can almost connect two separate, otherwise separate pieces, right?
00:21:46.000Which is the complaint that you started, Missouri v. Biden.
00:21:50.000Then we have all out here Twitter files, standing meetings of the FBI with Yoel Roth.
00:21:55.000We have communications of the FBI with Twitter.
00:21:58.000We also have Zuckerberg, who went on Joe Rogan's program, who said, oh, yeah, the FBI just kind of showed up and told us that there was going to be potentially Russian disinformation stuff and to be on the lookout for it.
00:22:17.000And then I want you to respond to this, why CNN is so wrong here, because this is the party line.
00:22:23.000By the way, Senator, you're really onto something with this complaint because the ferocious response from the media on this means that we're hitting a nerve, a central nerve of something that they're awfully protective over.
00:22:38.000But the ruling itself is the opposite of judicial conservatism.
00:22:42.000This is one of the most aggressive, far-reaching rulings you'll ever see.
00:22:45.000What this judge is purporting to do is to micromanage, really, the day-to-day interactions between essentially the entire executive branch, all these agencies that are listed as defendants, and the leading social media companies.
00:22:57.000And in the actual temporary injunction, the judge basically says, you're not allowed, administration, to talk to these social media companies about any protected free speech except for cybersecurity threats, national security threats, criminal threats.
00:23:24.000So I grew up in an era where liberals and organizations like the ACLU, right, defended the First Amendment, I mean, in free speech.
00:23:35.000And now it's conservatives that are pushing back and saying, wait a minute, we can have a robust debate.
00:23:42.000We can agree or disagree, but you don't get to censor speech.
00:23:44.000The government doesn't get to censor speech because they deem it to be, quote, misinformation or disinformation.
00:23:50.000And now you see these same legacy media outlets like the New York Times, who yesterday, you know, had a headline saying this will prevent the government from combating disinformation.
00:24:01.000I mean, Woodward and Bernstein are dead at this point, right?
00:24:04.000Like this is just, they are now, the very amendment that protects their ability to write these stories and issue editorials that protects them, they could care less because it's as long as it's sort of the content that they want or the viewpoint that they want.
00:24:20.000And they turn now into completely sort of parroting the talking points of the current regime as opposed to defending people to speak their mind.
00:24:29.000And I think it's important to take a step back, Charlie.
00:24:31.000The reason why the First Amendment is so important is the founders understood, and it's appropriate, you know, just coming off the 4th of July.
00:24:40.000They had seen what governments have done.
00:24:42.000Every tyrant in the history of the world has tried to aggregate power.
00:24:46.000One of the ways you do that is you quell dissent.
00:24:49.000And when the power of the government comes in and says, you can say this and you can't say that under penalty of law or the power of the federal government doing that with these myriad agencies, that's a very dangerous thing because the First Amendment protects that pressure release bail, right?
00:25:03.000We have a bunch of different viewpoints spread across the continent.
00:25:06.000And in order to avoid political violence, it's very important for people to feel like they can go into the town square and speak their mind, express themselves, or the virtual town square now.
00:25:15.000And so, but the Democrats, you know, and the left want to narrow that bandwidth of what's acceptable speech.
00:25:20.000And so you see this is the reason why political correctness, you know, people pushing back against that.
00:25:26.000It's the same reason why they find these kinds of instances of censorship so offensive because they understand viscerally that we need to be able to, you know, express ourselves and the government has no business in regulating that.
00:25:39.000The legacy media, CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, they're losing their minds because they know that they've been in on this, whether it was in 2016, whether it was in 2020, whether it was during COVID.
00:25:51.000They've all been working closely together.
00:25:52.000They don't like that this could get broken up.
00:25:58.000I lost my Twitter account during the Hunter Biden laptop thing for a week because we now can say factually and assuredly, the federal government was basically saying, hey, take this down, take this down, take this down.
00:26:10.000And by the way, I was put on a Twitter blacklist and we're even looking at legal action, Senator, just from our own personal perspective, especially with this injunction, I think, will only make it more likely that we could potentially get some sort of relief from losing our social media accounts because we participated in wrongthink.
00:26:28.000But Senator, I think you hit something very powerful.
00:26:30.000We only have about three minutes remaining here, but they're going to do this again in 2024.
00:26:34.000They're using active measures to interfere with the 2024 election.
00:26:38.000Department of Justice going after Justice going after Trump is one of the reasons they're so angry.
00:26:42.000Again, this is just speculation, but it makes you wonder, were they planning a censorship 2.0 campaign where they had like that 51 Intel agencies using that as a reason?
00:26:52.000And now this federal judge says, no, no, no, you're not even allowed to talk to these agencies.
00:26:57.000It makes you wonder, did they have a political plan?
00:27:04.000If it wasn't for our lawsuit last year, last spring, and then the Twitter files, all of this stuff would still be quote unquote a conspiracy theory, right?
00:27:16.000In the Senate now, I'm actually pushing legislation that I filed that says, look, if you've engaged in this kind of activity, social media company, you lose your Section 230 protection liability.
00:27:25.000We also ought to have a private right of action, quite frankly, against government officials who engage in this kind of expression of speech.
00:27:32.000So there's more to do, but we've got to expose the number one, which we've done.
00:27:36.000We have to stop it, which we've now been able to do.
00:27:39.000And we've got to stay on offense here.
00:27:41.000There isn't, I mean, there's so many important issues. confronting our country, but I can't think of anything more important than this fundamental idea of being able to speak your mind.
00:27:49.000It's just, we're endowed with this right, and government's job is to protect that right, not to infringe upon it.
00:27:55.000And you hit this earlier, is that the socialists and the far left wingers, they used to kind of be running around in neurotic circles saying, we're being censored by the government.
00:28:05.000In fact, when I got my start 10 years ago, it was far left wing groups on campus that would always tell me that the FBI is infiltrating the International Workers Association.
00:28:14.000I'd kind of roll my eyes, like, okay, yeah, whatever.
00:28:25.000It's deeply unhealthy for our country.
00:28:27.000And in fact, how successful would our political movement be if we didn't have intel agencies getting in the way of our politics?
00:28:35.000The fact that we're able to win the elections that we are and build the consensus that we are, it's remarkable because not only are we up against the media, up against the billionaire oligarchs, up against all these incredible plutocrats, we have a federal government that is whispering in the ears of the main channels of communication saying, shut up Charlie Kirk, shut up Dan Bongino, put him on blacklists.
00:31:23.000And again, these other banks that I deal with, it's like, here's 955,000 pages to sign, and they don't call you back and they don't work weekends.
00:31:31.000I had a problem with one of the things on the process because it was one thing that wasn't filled out.
00:31:34.000And they respond on a Sunday within minutes.
00:31:36.000You're trying to get a response from a woke bank on a Sunday.
00:32:41.000Late last week, that was a huge win for taxpayers and the rule of law.
00:32:45.000And then we got the 4th of July ruling on the free speech case.
00:32:49.000So it's been a good case for the things we believe in.
00:32:52.000But yeah, look, there's just, I think there's a couple of arguments here.
00:32:55.000One is there's a fundamental fairness argument.
00:32:57.000There's just, it's fundamentally unfair for the working class guy or gal who made a different decision in life or they paid off their loans or they never took them out in the first place to then be stuck with the student loan tab that's not been paid by the tenured theater professor, right?
00:33:15.000There's just a fundamental fairness and people understand that the polling would indicate that.
00:33:21.000But the legal argument here is there's just no statutory authority or constitutional authority at all that gives this administration just the ability with a stroke of a pen to wipe away a half a trillion dollars worth of debt, maybe up to a trillion.
00:33:35.000I mean, the estimates are, you know, vary, but you think about that.
00:33:38.000It's a huge win for taxpayers to not have to soak that up.
00:33:42.000And then thirdly, this was, look, everybody, this is a cynical political ploy by Joe Biden to get votes.
00:33:49.000And now he's scurrying to make it look like this wasn't just, you know, something to get votes to get younger people who have debt, you know, more enthusiastic about his campaign.
00:34:11.000The first speech that I gave, and these are two very important issues that relate to these two cases: are, you know, this is the greatest country in the history of the world.
00:34:21.000Ben Franklin, when he walks out of the Constitutional Convention and asked about what kind of government you have, he says, of course, a republic if you can keep it, because it's hard work, right?
00:34:30.000And the Constitution provides those guardrails to keep it.
00:34:33.000But the two biggest threats, in my view, are a supercharged administrative state and a tax on free speech.
00:36:14.000But I think why it's so important for the movement to stay energized here is the Democrats, we kind of lose sight of this a little bit because we won the House and have a slim majority there.
00:36:24.000But let's just say they take the House somehow, some way in the next four or five years.
00:36:28.000The truth of the matter is, right now, in the United States Senate, they're a vote away, one vote away from ending the filibuster, packing the United States Supreme Court, adding states to the union, federalizing our elections, and having to open borders and amnesty.
00:36:54.000We got to win the presidency to take back control of this administrative state and dismantle it.
00:37:00.000But from a legislative perspective with judges, we've just got to have a firewall to make sure that they stop putting these radicals on the court.
00:37:07.000Well, and it goes to show, you know, some people say, Charlie, where's the hope?
00:37:10.000You should have some hope after the last week.
00:37:12.000You show up, we win elections, you can get good judges that can then say no to this Marxist monarchy that is declaring war on the Constitution daily.
00:37:29.000Missouri v. Biden continues a very important case, which is now being led by the Solicitor General of Louisiana, someone running for Attorney General.
00:37:42.000So, Liz, thank you for joining the program.
00:37:44.000Tell us the latest and congratulations on the temporary injunction, but how do you anticipate this playing out after that groundbreaking news?
00:37:55.000I think it was appropriate that the opinion came out on the 4th of July.
00:37:59.000I would expect the government's going to appeal.
00:38:02.000I was expecting that to happen today, but that won't change the historic nature of this opinion and how important it is, I think, for the country.
00:38:11.000So, the elements of this we're still figuring out and discovering how deep has this censorship regime really gone?
00:38:19.000It's interagency, and it seems as if there's a very cozy inside-out relationship between the federal government and private social media companies.
00:38:32.000Um, this is the most extensive collusion and you know, system that I've ever seen.
00:38:38.000It's a massive federal government enterprise that was created from the White House down through CISA, through the FBI, through HHS, through the Census Bureau, through the CDC.
00:38:54.000We've got 20,000 pages of documents showing the government's collusion and also their threats to big tech coming straight from the White House.
00:39:04.000So, the judges' injunction said this was evidence of one of the worst attacks on free speech in U.S. history.
00:39:11.000Well, you know, it's really shocking when the federal government engages in a conspiracy to violate one of the most, if not the most fundamental right in our Bill of Rights, and that is the First Amendment.
00:39:25.000You know, they have unequivocally, undeniably admitted and given documents that they did not dispute to us that show that they were essentially violating people's rights by censoring their speech, deciding what we could see and think and believe.
00:39:43.000They even created a whole category called cognitive infrastructure at CISA to embrace redesigning our thoughts.
00:39:52.000CISA is part of the Department of Homeland Security, has a $3 billion budget and 2,700 employees.
00:40:00.000What are they supposed to be spending their time doing?
00:40:03.000You know, I think they're supposed to spend their time guarding pipelines, things like the electrical grid, hardened infrastructure from attacks.
00:41:30.000I mean, that's, you know, it kind of reminds me of the old saying, are you going to believe me or your lion eyes?
00:41:35.000I mean, we've got the documents from these, from the White House, and they did not dispute the correctness or the accuracy of any of those communications.
00:41:51.000They were going on television and linking their threats to Section 230.
00:41:59.000So they were threatening their immunity by overtly going on television and suggesting that if they didn't do more, and then they set up these entire pipelines for sending information to the tech platforms and telling them exactly what to take down.
00:42:58.000We're always used to people from the government saying, hey, don't print that.
00:43:02.000The social media companies didn't just play along.
00:43:06.000They colluded and tried to stop some of the flow of information.
00:43:10.000So I think this is a little bit of a corrective, but I clearly feel that in the end, the decision will be refined somewhat because government has to have the right to have its own free speech to push back when they see things on social media that's anchored dangerous.
00:43:26.000Okay, this guy runs the Aspen Institute, which by the way, they did tabletop exercises between the FBI with the FBI to censor quote-unquote Russian disinformation.
00:43:36.000I've never heard anybody in public commentary say the government has a right to speech.
00:43:42.000So there is such a thing as government speech, but the government doesn't have a right to, they have the government doesn't have First Amendment rights.
00:43:51.000So the government can engage in speech that's a category of speech called government speech, but it's not protected by the First Amendment.
00:44:00.000So the government doesn't have constitutional rights.
00:44:02.000People have constitutional rights to be protected from the government.
00:44:07.000And I think that's what continues to be lost in this discussion is this new narrative that I think you're identifying, Charlie.
00:44:16.000And that is that the government is actually out there claiming that it has a right to censor our speech.
00:44:22.000That is a shocking shift away from the First Amendment.
00:44:26.000Well, yeah, and as if the government is the aggrieved party here, as if they're the ones that deserve special privileges and rights.
00:44:32.000No, no, we give our liberty, the sovereign, through the consent of the governed to you, not the other way around.
00:44:39.000And Liz, in closing here, isn't that what's really being decided here?
00:44:45.000They want this Marxist monarchy untouched, where if you dare question it, they say, well, we have a right as the government.
00:44:51.000And this Aspen Institute, lunatic, he's considered to be an intellectual.
00:44:54.000It's one of the most moronic, dangerous things I've heard anybody say, Walter Isaacson.
00:44:58.000Isn't this a question of what type of form structure of government we're going to have, a constitutional republic or some sort of unrecognizable technocratic oligarchy?
00:45:10.000I mean, that goes to the heart of what the government claims that it can do and should do in this case.
00:45:17.000You know, I think this idea that government should be able to censor our speech and decide what we can hear and think and that would create a category of critical infrastructure called cognitive infrastructure is absolute attack on the First Amendment of this and it's terrifying.
00:45:36.000Liz Murle, thank you so much and best of luck in your candidacy for to become Attorney General of Louisiana.