The Charlie Kirk Show - A Fourth of July Free Speech Birthday Present with Sen. Eric Schmitt and Liz Murrill

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, we reflect on Independence Day and we talk about the good news of a judge who strikes down a tyrannical pattern of behavior and also the Solicitor General of Louisiana.

00:00:11.000 We talk about the recent injunction that happened in California.

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00:01:16.000 Happy Wednesday.

00:01:17.000 I want to begin by celebrating Independence Day.

00:01:22.000 We did not broadcast live in observance of the holiday.

00:01:25.000 Holiday literally comes from the idea of a holy day.

00:01:29.000 That's where we get the word holiday from.

00:01:30.000 And I do believe that Independence Day should be regarded in the holy.

00:01:35.000 It's one of the most important days in human history.

00:01:38.000 Thomas Jefferson wrote it: 56 people signed it, and they changed history forever.

00:01:43.000 They said very clearly, when in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and nature's God entitle them.

00:02:00.000 A decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to separation.

00:02:07.000 I'm going to press pause before I continue.

00:02:10.000 That right there is a universal claim.

00:02:13.000 When in the course of human events, it means it is applicable today.

00:02:16.000 And in some ways, the argument made in the Declaration of Independence is actually more relevant today than even back then.

00:02:25.000 Thomas Jefferson goes on to say that if you are a tyrant, a despot, a dictator, and you are taking the liberty and the freedom away of a people, those people have a right to separate, to challenge.

00:02:40.000 Thomas Jefferson continued by saying, We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

00:02:52.000 That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their powers and the consent of the governed.

00:02:59.000 Time out.

00:03:00.000 He's telling you what government should be, not what government is.

00:03:04.000 Thomas Jefferson is saying here that governments are formed by you, the people, but he says something that is so profound that was never really put into place except maybe Athenian democracy didn't last long.

00:03:16.000 Deriving their powers from the consent of the governed, not from King George, not from some monarchy, not from some oligarchy, but from you, the people.

00:03:28.000 That whether any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it and to institute a new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form as to them shall seem most likely to affect their safety and happiness.

00:03:48.000 And this is super important.

00:03:49.000 Thomas Jefferson then uses an old Greek term that we should use again, which comes from prudentia or practical knowledge.

00:03:57.000 He says, prudence, indeed, we don't teach prudence anymore because our government education system, it's all about technical knowledge and new fashionable trends, not about ancient classical wisdom to be able to tell the difference between the holy and the profane and good from evil.

00:04:15.000 Prudence indeed will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes.

00:04:22.000 It shouldn't be changed just because you don't like little things.

00:04:25.000 It should be for significant and heavy reasons.

00:04:28.000 And accordingly, all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

00:04:40.000 But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, invinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism.

00:04:53.000 Sound familiar?

00:04:55.000 It is their right, it is their duty to throw off such government and to provide new guards for their future security.

00:05:03.000 Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies, and such now is the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government.

00:05:13.000 The history of the present king of Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states.

00:05:25.000 To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.

00:05:27.000 It started universal and went very specific.

00:05:31.000 What Thomas Jefferson wrote and what 56 courageous men decided to sign was a document that said human beings have a moral right to be free, that we are free in the state of nature, and that governments are formed to protect our rights.

00:05:50.000 This is one of the most consequential, important moments in human history. 0.64

00:05:54.000 And we are seeing the promise of 1776 be eroded every single day by the current regime in D.C., the Uniparty regime. 0.93

00:06:02.000 They do not believe in the promise of 1776.

00:06:05.000 They believe in a permanent Marxist monarchy, the protection of the Leviathan, of the administrative state.

00:06:11.000 Unfolding in front of us today is the daily melee, the battle, the tension between what our founding fathers believed in 1776, as they say in this document, why does government exist?

00:06:25.000 To protect our rights, and they're there because we gave them permission.

00:06:29.000 The current Marxist monarchy doesn't believe that.

00:06:32.000 They believe that the state is God.

00:06:34.000 They believe that it is their role in history to continue with uninterrupted momentum to steamroll and to run us over.

00:06:41.000 And we can continue to celebrate the promise of July 4th, 1776. 0.72

00:06:48.000 And we should.

00:06:49.000 We should study this.

00:06:50.000 We should teach our children this.

00:06:51.000 We need to pass down the significance of this.

00:06:55.000 And today is July 5th, 2023.

00:06:59.000 And it has to, I think it's worthy of noting before we get to a beautiful piece of news that happened yesterday, actually.

00:07:05.000 That these wealthy men who signed this document, they very well might have signed a death warrant.

00:07:13.000 You know, the radical left and even the uniparty people in D.C., they say, oh, America was not founded on godly principles.

00:07:21.000 Why then was God mentioned four times in the Declaration of Independence?

00:07:25.000 In fact, at the end of the document, it says, we appeal to the supreme judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do in the name of the authority of the good people of these colonies.

00:07:36.000 This reads like a prayer.

00:07:38.000 It reads as we are appealing to the ultimate power.

00:07:43.000 This was a vertical appeal that we, the people, we appeal to who gave us life, who breathed us into existence.

00:07:55.000 And that tension played out in the Revolutionary War.

00:07:58.000 These 56 signers from Samuel Adams to George Walton, you know, 55 out of 56 of them were Bible-believing church attending Christians, and they put everything on the line.

00:08:09.000 They put everything on the line so that a new nation could be formed.

00:08:14.000 We call that our birthday.

00:08:16.000 Isn't that interesting that we call that our birthday?

00:08:19.000 Not the ratification of the Constitution, not the ratification of the Bill of Rights.

00:08:23.000 Why was that day, July 4th, 1776, our birthday?

00:08:29.000 Because that was the beginning of the North Star of our nation.

00:08:33.000 All men are created equal.

00:08:34.000 We have a right to self-government.

00:08:36.000 Do not get in our way.

00:08:38.000 It is a universal claim that is just as applicable to our times today.

00:08:45.000 It's because it was not written for the times.

00:08:47.000 It was written to stand the test of time because human beings do not change.

00:08:51.000 Human beings are going to be self-interested.

00:08:53.000 If you do not pass down the values of virtue, prudence, temperance, and discipline, you will get into a state of chaos and disorder.

00:09:04.000 This is why we should not have a competing Juneteenth Independence Day.

00:09:09.000 It's one of the most important days in human history.

00:09:13.000 The creation of the world, the transmission of the great moral app on Sinai, the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Magna Carta, July 4th, 1776.

00:09:25.000 That's not an exhaustive list, but those are some of the most important things ever to happen.

00:09:32.000 Our individual sovereignty emanates from God, not from government.

00:09:35.000 And that is a debated fact right now in D.C. In fact, they believe the state can do no wrong.

00:09:41.000 And I'm going to, with this backdrop and this gratitude that we should feel that we live in the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world, that these 56 courageous, wisdom-filled, God-fearing men gave us this nation.

00:09:56.000 Yesterday, we saw this play out where the deep state, the uniparty, the administrative state, they wanted to do something, and a certain judge delivered a July 4th gift saying you can't do that.

00:10:10.000 And just remember, those 56 signers of the Declaration would be indicted for seditious conspiracy today if the Department of Justice had anything to say about it.

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00:10:58.000 So on Independence Day, we saw this very, I don't even want to call it a debate, this collision, this clash play out.

00:11:06.000 So on one side, you have the Marxist monarchy, the oligarchy.

00:11:10.000 We've talked a lot about them, the Leviathan, the deep state of government, the Uniparty.

00:11:14.000 And it's been reported, in fact, we were involved in this.

00:11:17.000 The federal government went out of their way to demand that social media companies censor tweets of mine, censor social media posts of people they do not like, all under the guise of fighting disinformation or public health.

00:11:33.000 Remember the standing weekly meeting that Yoel Roth from Twitter had with the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

00:11:40.000 Remember when they showed up to Mark Zuckerberg and they said, hey, there might be some Russian disinformation.

00:11:46.000 Basically, threatening these companies that if they do not censor, if they do not silence the accounts that they demand, that there might be retribution.

00:11:58.000 So, there was a lawsuit that was filed against this.

00:12:00.000 And on July 4th, of all days, on Independence Day, a federal judge issued a temporary injunction.

00:12:09.000 So, we had a lot of good rulings last week on religious liberty, student loan amnesty.

00:12:15.000 Thankfully, the bribe is what we call it, the student loan bribe, and on affirmative action.

00:12:20.000 Now, a federal judge yesterday issued a preliminary injunction that blocks the Biden regime and his agencies and officials from meeting or communicating with social media companies around and about protected speech.

00:12:34.000 The reason for this injunction is that we know from the Twitter files and elsewhere how the government has used these meetings to request that private companies police disinformation.

00:12:45.000 It's a way of privatizing mass censorship.

00:12:47.000 And by the way, it's just so fitting.

00:12:49.000 We are actually in the final stages of preparing a lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security for injuries that they put towards our social media accounts here on the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:13:00.000 Now, this is a preliminary injunction, not a final ruling.

00:13:04.000 But when an injunction like this strong comes down, it's basically a very, very strong hint about how a judge is likely to rule.

00:13:13.000 The judge, Terry A. Doughty, a Trump appointee, wrote in his order yesterday that the plaintiffs, quote, have produced evidence of a massive effort by defendants from the White House to federal agencies to suppress speech based on its content.

00:13:28.000 The press reaction to itself is just something else.

00:13:31.000 The Washington Post writes up for several paragraphs saying that, oh, a Trump judge did this, and now you're trying to say that the federal government can't contact social media companies.

00:13:41.000 The New York Times spin was even more glaring.

00:13:44.000 Their main takeaway was that the decision was, quote, a ruling that could curtail efforts to fight disinformation.

00:13:49.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:13:50.000 Where in the United States Constitution is it the role of government to police citizen speech?

00:13:57.000 What you guys call disinformation six months later gets proven to be a fact.

00:14:03.000 The federal government said that it's disinformation to say that the virus came from a Wuhan Institute of Virology.

00:14:09.000 They say that it was disinformation.

00:14:11.000 When we said that schools being closed were going to be bad for children, they said it was disinformation.

00:14:16.000 When we said that the Hunter Biden laptop was legit, in fact, we lost our Twitter account.

00:14:21.000 I lost my Twitter account for a week because I talked about the Hunter Biden laptop at the behest of the federal government in the midst of an election.

00:14:32.000 So what they call disinformation, just give a little bit of time, it turns out to be then soon an irrefutable fact.

00:14:37.000 Why is the federal government playing air traffic control over what we can say and can't say?

00:14:45.000 They're the traffic cops now of speech.

00:14:48.000 They've sometimes said disinformation can be true things weaponized against democracy.

00:14:55.000 If you speak out against trans stuff, they said you could be spreading medical disinformation.

00:15:00.000 Even though our own CDC, the Center for Disease Control and NIH, were spreading legitimate disinformation over the last couple of years.

00:15:08.000 So we've had a tradition in this country, the government does not get involved in domestic speech, period.

00:15:14.000 And it's worked.

00:15:16.000 Even though we've had Operation Mockingbird and we've had all sorts of different stuff.

00:15:22.000 The state of our media and our regime at this point, their modern day pravda, hilariously, pravda means truth in Russian.

00:15:29.000 Awfully ironic.

00:15:31.000 Standing up to demand more censorship.

00:15:35.000 The very same agencies that Republicans like Lindsey Graham and others created post 9-11 are now being used against patriots who dare challenge the regime.

00:15:48.000 We were so scared after 9-11, oh, they're going to start bombing more buildings.

00:15:51.000 And we gave away all this freedom, all this liberty.

00:15:54.000 Patriot Act, Department of Homeland Security, FBI.

00:15:59.000 And these agencies went from law enforcement to intelligence agencies where they're bored and they hate you.

00:16:07.000 This federal judge said, no, no, no, no, you're not allowed to do this.

00:16:10.000 A victory for liberty and freedom.

00:16:11.000 And wait till I play some pieces of tape.

00:16:13.000 The regime, they are furious that a federal judge would come in and say on July 4th, you can't do that.

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00:18:46.000 Joining us now is Senator Schmidt, who started the case, Missouri v. Biden.

00:18:52.000 Senator, welcome to the program.

00:18:53.000 I want to say congratulations because this was a good injunction.

00:18:56.000 It hasn't seen itself all the way through.

00:18:58.000 But Senator, why don't you walk through this case and why you decided to start this process while you were Attorney General of Missouri?

00:19:05.000 Sure.

00:19:06.000 It's great to be with you, Charlie.

00:19:07.000 Well, yesterday was a big win for free speech and, I mean, a crushing defeat for censorship.

00:19:12.000 I mean, it's got to hold, but it's a very, very positive injunction that, you know, if the government wants to challenge it, they'll go to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.

00:19:21.000 And I'm sure this case may or may not make it.

00:19:23.000 Well, it may or may not make its way all the way to the Supreme Court, but this is the most important free speech case in a generation at least.

00:19:30.000 And so when I was AG, we filed this lawsuit, Missouri versus Biden, that alleged that a bunch of different Biden administration agencies essentially were suppressing speech, mostly with conservatives.

00:19:42.000 But you saw it play out whether it was the origins of COVID.

00:19:46.000 I had an opportunity to take Anthony Fauci's deposition.

00:19:49.000 So after I was elected to the Senate, before I was sworn in, we took his deposition.

00:19:54.000 We could talk about that if you want to.

00:19:56.000 It's just mind-boggling.

00:19:58.000 Origins of COVID, Hunter Biden laptop theory.

00:20:01.000 We took the deposition of Elvis Chan, who was the FBI agent that essentially was having monthly then weekly meetings, warning these social media giants of a Russian hack and leak operation involving the Hunter Biden laptop, even though they had the laptop in the fall of 2019.

00:20:16.000 And so you saw that.

00:20:17.000 You saw whether it was the efficacy of masks, transmissibility of COVID with the vaccine.

00:20:23.000 I mean, all these, the myriad of these agencies colluding with big tech to censor speech in violation of the First Amendment was the reason we filed the lawsuit.

00:20:33.000 And of course, if you read the judge's ruling yesterday on the injunction, I mean, it's pretty strong language.

00:20:39.000 And it shouldn't be lost, Charlie, that this was sent out on the 4th of July on Independence Day.

00:20:45.000 I mean, that is not an accident here.

00:20:47.000 And so the judge, you know, this is a federal judge, not me saying it, not you saying it, a federal judge saying that the case arguably involves the most massive attack against free speech in U.S. history and comparing it to this Ministry of Truth, which, of course, we allege in this vast censorship enterprise.

00:21:04.000 And so the government doesn't get to censor speech and they can't outsource it either.

00:21:07.000 And so I was proud to bring the lawsuit and we were able to get, you know, pretty deep into discovery.

00:21:12.000 And that evidence essentially ruled the day yesterday.

00:21:14.000 And what it says is that these agencies from the CDC to the FDA to DHS to White House officials can no longer do this.

00:21:24.000 I mean, there's an order now on the books preventing them from engaging in this kind of activity.

00:21:28.000 And now the Senate will try to hold their feet in the fire, but it's a big win.

00:21:32.000 It is.

00:21:33.000 And there's other components that I want to kind of talk about here.

00:21:37.000 The first of which is we do not know how deep the censorship actually goes.

00:21:41.000 Thanks to Elon Musk and the Twitter files, we can almost connect two separate, otherwise separate pieces, right?

00:21:46.000 Which is the complaint that you started, Missouri v. Biden.

00:21:50.000 Then we have all out here Twitter files, standing meetings of the FBI with Yoel Roth.

00:21:55.000 We have communications of the FBI with Twitter.

00:21:58.000 We also have Zuckerberg, who went on Joe Rogan's program, who said, oh, yeah, the FBI just kind of showed up and told us that there was going to be potentially Russian disinformation stuff and to be on the lookout for it.

00:22:08.000 Very suspicious.

00:22:09.000 And so, Senator, I'm going to play a piece of tape here of the spin from Pravda, CNN, where they say, oh, it's just communicating.

00:22:16.000 It's just communicating.

00:22:17.000 And then I want you to respond to this, why CNN is so wrong here, because this is the party line.

00:22:23.000 By the way, Senator, you're really onto something with this complaint because the ferocious response from the media on this means that we're hitting a nerve, a central nerve of something that they're awfully protective over.

00:22:37.000 Play cut two, please.

00:22:38.000 But the ruling itself is the opposite of judicial conservatism.

00:22:42.000 This is one of the most aggressive, far-reaching rulings you'll ever see.

00:22:45.000 What this judge is purporting to do is to micromanage, really, the day-to-day interactions between essentially the entire executive branch, all these agencies that are listed as defendants, and the leading social media companies.

00:22:57.000 And in the actual temporary injunction, the judge basically says, you're not allowed, administration, to talk to these social media companies about any protected free speech except for cybersecurity threats, national security threats, criminal threats.

00:23:13.000 But where's the line?

00:23:14.000 Well, the line is called the United States Constitution.

00:23:16.000 Senator, your response.

00:23:18.000 No, absolutely, Charlie.

00:23:19.000 Look, this is, it's a remarkable.

00:23:21.000 Look, I'm 40, 48.

00:23:22.000 I just turned 48.

00:23:23.000 So I'm Gen X.

00:23:24.000 So I grew up in an era where liberals and organizations like the ACLU, right, defended the First Amendment, I mean, in free speech.

00:23:35.000 And now it's conservatives that are pushing back and saying, wait a minute, we can have a robust debate.

00:23:42.000 We can agree or disagree, but you don't get to censor speech.

00:23:44.000 The government doesn't get to censor speech because they deem it to be, quote, misinformation or disinformation.

00:23:50.000 And now you see these same legacy media outlets like the New York Times, who yesterday, you know, had a headline saying this will prevent the government from combating disinformation.

00:24:01.000 I mean, Woodward and Bernstein are dead at this point, right?

00:24:04.000 Like this is just, they are now, the very amendment that protects their ability to write these stories and issue editorials that protects them, they could care less because it's as long as it's sort of the content that they want or the viewpoint that they want.

00:24:20.000 And they turn now into completely sort of parroting the talking points of the current regime as opposed to defending people to speak their mind.

00:24:29.000 And I think it's important to take a step back, Charlie.

00:24:31.000 The reason why the First Amendment is so important is the founders understood, and it's appropriate, you know, just coming off the 4th of July.

00:24:39.000 They knew human nature.

00:24:40.000 They had seen what governments have done.

00:24:42.000 Every tyrant in the history of the world has tried to aggregate power.

00:24:46.000 One of the ways you do that is you quell dissent.

00:24:49.000 And when the power of the government comes in and says, you can say this and you can't say that under penalty of law or the power of the federal government doing that with these myriad agencies, that's a very dangerous thing because the First Amendment protects that pressure release bail, right?

00:25:03.000 We have a bunch of different viewpoints spread across the continent.

00:25:06.000 And in order to avoid political violence, it's very important for people to feel like they can go into the town square and speak their mind, express themselves, or the virtual town square now.

00:25:15.000 And so, but the Democrats, you know, and the left want to narrow that bandwidth of what's acceptable speech.

00:25:20.000 And so you see this is the reason why political correctness, you know, people pushing back against that.

00:25:26.000 It's the same reason why they find these kinds of instances of censorship so offensive because they understand viscerally that we need to be able to, you know, express ourselves and the government has no business in regulating that.

00:25:38.000 But yeah, you're right.

00:25:39.000 The legacy media, CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, they're losing their minds because they know that they've been in on this, whether it was in 2016, whether it was in 2020, whether it was during COVID.

00:25:51.000 They've all been working closely together.

00:25:52.000 They don't like that this could get broken up.

00:25:55.000 And now we have evidence.

00:25:56.000 Let's just take one example.

00:25:56.000 Hunter Biden laptop.

00:25:58.000 I lost my Twitter account during the Hunter Biden laptop thing for a week because we now can say factually and assuredly, the federal government was basically saying, hey, take this down, take this down, take this down.

00:26:10.000 And by the way, I was put on a Twitter blacklist and we're even looking at legal action, Senator, just from our own personal perspective, especially with this injunction, I think, will only make it more likely that we could potentially get some sort of relief from losing our social media accounts because we participated in wrongthink.

00:26:28.000 But Senator, I think you hit something very powerful.

00:26:30.000 We only have about three minutes remaining here, but they're going to do this again in 2024.

00:26:34.000 They're using active measures to interfere with the 2024 election.

00:26:38.000 Department of Justice going after Justice going after Trump is one of the reasons they're so angry.

00:26:42.000 Again, this is just speculation, but it makes you wonder, were they planning a censorship 2.0 campaign where they had like that 51 Intel agencies using that as a reason?

00:26:52.000 And now this federal judge says, no, no, no, you're not even allowed to talk to these agencies.

00:26:57.000 It makes you wonder, did they have a political plan?

00:27:00.000 It's worked, right?

00:27:00.000 It's the playbook.

00:27:02.000 This playbook has worked now.

00:27:03.000 And you mentioned it.

00:27:04.000 If it wasn't for our lawsuit last year, last spring, and then the Twitter files, all of this stuff would still be quote unquote a conspiracy theory, right?

00:27:12.000 They'd be able to dismiss all it.

00:27:13.000 So you've got to be courageous.

00:27:15.000 You've got to push back.

00:27:16.000 In the Senate now, I'm actually pushing legislation that I filed that says, look, if you've engaged in this kind of activity, social media company, you lose your Section 230 protection liability.

00:27:25.000 We also ought to have a private right of action, quite frankly, against government officials who engage in this kind of expression of speech.

00:27:32.000 So there's more to do, but we've got to expose the number one, which we've done.

00:27:36.000 We have to stop it, which we've now been able to do.

00:27:39.000 And we've got to stay on offense here.

00:27:41.000 There isn't, I mean, there's so many important issues. confronting our country, but I can't think of anything more important than this fundamental idea of being able to speak your mind.

00:27:49.000 It's just, we're endowed with this right, and government's job is to protect that right, not to infringe upon it.

00:27:55.000 And you hit this earlier, is that the socialists and the far left wingers, they used to kind of be running around in neurotic circles saying, we're being censored by the government.

00:28:04.000 We're being censored.

00:28:05.000 In fact, when I got my start 10 years ago, it was far left wing groups on campus that would always tell me that the FBI is infiltrating the International Workers Association.

00:28:14.000 I'd kind of roll my eyes, like, okay, yeah, whatever.

00:28:17.000 Now they seem thrilled to do it.

00:28:19.000 They say, oh, yeah, now that we control the intel agencies, we can crush the fascists. 0.97

00:28:23.000 We can crush the right-wingers. 0.55

00:28:25.000 It's deeply unhealthy for our country.

00:28:27.000 And in fact, how successful would our political movement be if we didn't have intel agencies getting in the way of our politics?

00:28:35.000 The fact that we're able to win the elections that we are and build the consensus that we are, it's remarkable because not only are we up against the media, up against the billionaire oligarchs, up against all these incredible plutocrats, we have a federal government that is whispering in the ears of the main channels of communication saying, shut up Charlie Kirk, shut up Dan Bongino, put him on blacklists.

00:28:58.000 Really is amazing.

00:28:59.000 And Senator Schmidt deserves the credit from Missouri.

00:29:01.000 He started this legal complaint when he was attorney general of Missouri.

00:29:05.000 He has some other big wins that he's going to share as well.

00:29:08.000 This is a win.

00:29:09.000 This is a win, everybody, that this federal judge on Independence Day said, no, you cannot do that.

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00:32:31.000 Senator, you also were the driving force behind the student loan decision as well.

00:32:38.000 Tell us about that.

00:32:39.000 Yeah, it's interesting.

00:32:41.000 Late last week, that was a huge win for taxpayers and the rule of law.

00:32:45.000 And then we got the 4th of July ruling on the free speech case.

00:32:49.000 So it's been a good case for the things we believe in.

00:32:52.000 But yeah, look, there's just, I think there's a couple of arguments here.

00:32:55.000 One is there's a fundamental fairness argument.

00:32:57.000 There's just, it's fundamentally unfair for the working class guy or gal who made a different decision in life or they paid off their loans or they never took them out in the first place to then be stuck with the student loan tab that's not been paid by the tenured theater professor, right?

00:33:15.000 There's just a fundamental fairness and people understand that the polling would indicate that.

00:33:20.000 And that was a driving force here.

00:33:21.000 But the legal argument here is there's just no statutory authority or constitutional authority at all that gives this administration just the ability with a stroke of a pen to wipe away a half a trillion dollars worth of debt, maybe up to a trillion.

00:33:35.000 I mean, the estimates are, you know, vary, but you think about that.

00:33:38.000 It's a huge win for taxpayers to not have to soak that up.

00:33:42.000 And then thirdly, this was, look, everybody, this is a cynical political ploy by Joe Biden to get votes.

00:33:49.000 And now he's scurrying to make it look like this wasn't just, you know, something to get votes to get younger people who have debt, you know, more enthusiastic about his campaign.

00:33:59.000 I mean, that's all this ever was.

00:34:02.000 And so it's unconstitutional.

00:34:03.000 It's interesting, Charlie, too.

00:34:04.000 So not many people pay attention to, nor what I expect into your first speech on the Senate floor.

00:34:10.000 So I was elected last fall.

00:34:11.000 The first speech that I gave, and these are two very important issues that relate to these two cases: are, you know, this is the greatest country in the history of the world.

00:34:20.000 We celebrated it yesterday.

00:34:21.000 Ben Franklin, when he walks out of the Constitutional Convention and asked about what kind of government you have, he says, of course, a republic if you can keep it, because it's hard work, right?

00:34:30.000 And the Constitution provides those guardrails to keep it.

00:34:33.000 But the two biggest threats, in my view, are a supercharged administrative state and a tax on free speech.

00:34:39.000 That's what my speech was about.

00:34:40.000 And here we go, right?

00:34:41.000 You've got the administrative state.

00:34:43.000 Nobody ever, Congress never voted on this student loan debt forgiveness scam.

00:34:49.000 And if it's such a good idea, let Congress vote on this stuff.

00:34:52.000 And it wouldn't just extend there. 0.57

00:34:53.000 It's all this green, you know, Green New Deal nonsense that they try to push through these agencies. 0.91

00:34:57.000 So I think it's a big win for separation powers.

00:35:00.000 It's a big win for the rule of law.

00:35:01.000 It's a big win for taxpayers again, a half a trillion dollars.

00:35:04.000 So, yeah, we led that fight when I was AG and then the Supreme Court ruled on it last week.

00:35:07.000 It was excellent.

00:35:08.000 And congratulations on that.

00:35:09.000 And Senator, can you respond?

00:35:11.000 Joe Biden, hours after the decision, he said he's going to do his own thing again.

00:35:15.000 I mean, these people are relentless, and I think you're pinpointing the threats to our liberty perfectly.

00:35:21.000 The administrative state, it's so bloated, it's so now militarized against the American people, and then an out-of-control executive.

00:35:28.000 Thankfully, we were thanks to President Donald Trump winning the presidency and doing what he said he was going to do.

00:35:34.000 We have kind of this firewall right now of federal judges and Supreme Court judges.

00:35:39.000 But, Senator, can you comment?

00:35:40.000 That is a temporary measure.

00:35:42.000 That is not going to win us.

00:35:44.000 You know, that's not a guarantee it continues.

00:35:47.000 And, Senator, you're probably involved.

00:35:48.000 I don't know if you're on the Judiciary Committee or not in the Senate.

00:35:51.000 Chuck Schumer and all these guys, they're putting radicals on the federal bench right now.

00:35:55.000 So, your thoughts as we close up.

00:35:56.000 Yeah, look, and they don't want to stop there with the radicals that are trying to put on the bench.

00:36:00.000 I mean, one of the most regular things they do in the Senate is vote no on these crazy nominees that they put forward.

00:36:07.000 But I would say, too, to highlight this, and you're, you know, you're rightfully that conference is going to be great.

00:36:11.000 Um, hope I can get down there.

00:36:13.000 We're checking on that today.

00:36:14.000 But I think why it's so important for the movement to stay energized here is the Democrats, we kind of lose sight of this a little bit because we won the House and have a slim majority there.

00:36:24.000 But let's just say they take the House somehow, some way in the next four or five years.

00:36:28.000 The truth of the matter is, right now, in the United States Senate, they're a vote away, one vote away from ending the filibuster, packing the United States Supreme Court, adding states to the union, federalizing our elections, and having to open borders and amnesty.

00:36:44.000 That's not conjecture.

00:36:45.000 They said this, that that's what they want to do if they ever just have to have 51 votes to go do it.

00:36:50.000 So, we've got to stay vigilant here.

00:36:52.000 Obviously, 2024 is a big year.

00:36:54.000 We got to win the presidency to take back control of this administrative state and dismantle it.

00:37:00.000 But from a legislative perspective with judges, we've just got to have a firewall to make sure that they stop putting these radicals on the court. 0.98

00:37:07.000 Well, and it goes to show, you know, some people say, Charlie, where's the hope?

00:37:10.000 You should have some hope after the last week.

00:37:12.000 You show up, we win elections, you can get good judges that can then say no to this Marxist monarchy that is declaring war on the Constitution daily.

00:37:22.000 Senator, great job.

00:37:23.000 I hope to see you at our event in Florida.

00:37:24.000 Thank you so much.

00:37:25.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:37:26.000 Thanks for all you do.

00:37:29.000 Missouri v. Biden continues a very important case, which is now being led by the Solicitor General of Louisiana, someone running for Attorney General.

00:37:39.000 Liz Morell joins us now.

00:37:42.000 So, Liz, thank you for joining the program.

00:37:44.000 Tell us the latest and congratulations on the temporary injunction, but how do you anticipate this playing out after that groundbreaking news?

00:37:52.000 Well, you know, it is.

00:37:53.000 It's really historic day.

00:37:55.000 I think it was appropriate that the opinion came out on the 4th of July.

00:37:59.000 I would expect the government's going to appeal.

00:38:02.000 I was expecting that to happen today, but that won't change the historic nature of this opinion and how important it is, I think, for the country.

00:38:11.000 So, the elements of this we're still figuring out and discovering how deep has this censorship regime really gone?

00:38:19.000 It's interagency, and it seems as if there's a very cozy inside-out relationship between the federal government and private social media companies.

00:38:29.000 Charlie, it's well beyond cozy.

00:38:32.000 Um, this is the most extensive collusion and you know, system that I've ever seen.

00:38:38.000 It's a massive federal government enterprise that was created from the White House down through CISA, through the FBI, through HHS, through the Census Bureau, through the CDC.

00:38:54.000 We've got 20,000 pages of documents showing the government's collusion and also their threats to big tech coming straight from the White House.

00:39:04.000 So, the judges' injunction said this was evidence of one of the worst attacks on free speech in U.S. history.

00:39:09.000 Can you elaborate more on that?

00:39:11.000 Well, you know, it's really shocking when the federal government engages in a conspiracy to violate one of the most, if not the most fundamental right in our Bill of Rights, and that is the First Amendment.

00:39:25.000 You know, they have unequivocally, undeniably admitted and given documents that they did not dispute to us that show that they were essentially violating people's rights by censoring their speech, deciding what we could see and think and believe.

00:39:43.000 They even created a whole category called cognitive infrastructure at CISA to embrace redesigning our thoughts.

00:39:52.000 CISA is part of the Department of Homeland Security, has a $3 billion budget and 2,700 employees.

00:40:00.000 What are they supposed to be spending their time doing?

00:40:03.000 You know, I think they're supposed to spend their time guarding pipelines, things like the electrical grid, hardened infrastructure from attacks.

00:40:14.000 That may be cyber attacks.

00:40:16.000 That may also be heart attacks.

00:40:17.000 So that's what CISA was created to do.

00:40:21.000 It certainly was not created to engage in a massive conspiracy to violate people's fundamental rights to free speech.

00:40:30.000 Well, they don't even guard the pipelines.

00:40:32.000 Remember the Dakota Access Pipeline protests?

00:40:36.000 They couldn't even do that.

00:40:38.000 So I want to play a piece of tape here and get your response.

00:40:41.000 This is on MSNBC, Ryan Riley, arguing the FBI isn't policing social media enough, play cut six.

00:40:50.000 I think that, you know, you have to take a step back and acknowledge what the reality is about how the FBI has been interacting with this.

00:40:55.000 And just look at January 6th itself, for example, right?

00:40:58.000 It's not as though the FBI has been going in and saying, hey, take down this post, hey, take down this post.

00:41:03.000 That's what they're alleging, but there's just not a lot of evidence to support that.

00:41:06.000 If you look at the reality, it's like the FBI is not very good at monitoring social media.

00:41:10.000 Just look at what happened on January 6th.

00:41:11.000 There are all of these warning signs, red flags going up all over the place, and they weren't prepared.

00:41:16.000 They didn't do enough.

00:41:18.000 But Liz, help me understand.

00:41:20.000 Is there not an email of the White House to the social media company, take down this post?

00:41:28.000 Yes.

00:41:29.000 Yes.

00:41:30.000 I mean, that's, you know, it kind of reminds me of the old saying, are you going to believe me or your lion eyes?

00:41:35.000 I mean, we've got the documents from these, from the White House, and they did not dispute the correctness or the accuracy of any of those communications.

00:41:48.000 So they were threatening big tech.

00:41:51.000 They were going on television and linking their threats to Section 230.

00:41:59.000 So they were threatening their immunity by overtly going on television and suggesting that if they didn't do more, and then they set up these entire pipelines for sending information to the tech platforms and telling them exactly what to take down.

00:42:17.000 That included Hunter Biden's laptop.

00:42:20.000 It included a parody account of Joe Biden.

00:42:23.000 I mean, these are things that are very clearly protected speech.

00:42:28.000 Without a doubt.

00:42:28.000 And so this is a new argument.

00:42:30.000 Walter Isaacson now says that the government has free speech rights.

00:42:36.000 This is unbelievable.

00:42:37.000 Walter Isaacson is an author and the president and CEO of the Aspen Institute.

00:42:43.000 And he says the government has to have the right to its own free speech, as if the government's rights are being defended.

00:42:50.000 Government has rights?

00:42:51.000 What?

00:42:52.000 Play cut seven.

00:42:53.000 I think Judge Daughty's decision goes too far.

00:42:57.000 We're in the press.

00:42:58.000 We're always used to people from the government saying, hey, don't print that.

00:43:02.000 The social media companies didn't just play along.

00:43:06.000 They colluded and tried to stop some of the flow of information.

00:43:10.000 So I think this is a little bit of a corrective, but I clearly feel that in the end, the decision will be refined somewhat because government has to have the right to have its own free speech to push back when they see things on social media that's anchored dangerous.

00:43:26.000 Okay, this guy runs the Aspen Institute, which by the way, they did tabletop exercises between the FBI with the FBI to censor quote-unquote Russian disinformation.

00:43:34.000 Liz, I've heard a lot of things.

00:43:36.000 I've never heard anybody in public commentary say the government has a right to speech.

00:43:42.000 So there is such a thing as government speech, but the government doesn't have a right to, they have the government doesn't have First Amendment rights.

00:43:51.000 So the government can engage in speech that's a category of speech called government speech, but it's not protected by the First Amendment.

00:44:00.000 So the government doesn't have constitutional rights.

00:44:02.000 People have constitutional rights to be protected from the government.

00:44:07.000 And I think that's what continues to be lost in this discussion is this new narrative that I think you're identifying, Charlie.

00:44:16.000 And that is that the government is actually out there claiming that it has a right to censor our speech.

00:44:22.000 That is a shocking shift away from the First Amendment.

00:44:26.000 Well, yeah, and as if the government is the aggrieved party here, as if they're the ones that deserve special privileges and rights.

00:44:32.000 No, no, we give our liberty, the sovereign, through the consent of the governed to you, not the other way around.

00:44:39.000 And Liz, in closing here, isn't that what's really being decided here?

00:44:43.000 What is the form of government?

00:44:45.000 They want this Marxist monarchy untouched, where if you dare question it, they say, well, we have a right as the government. 0.71

00:44:51.000 And this Aspen Institute, lunatic, he's considered to be an intellectual. 0.99

00:44:54.000 It's one of the most moronic, dangerous things I've heard anybody say, Walter Isaacson. 0.97

00:44:58.000 Isn't this a question of what type of form structure of government we're going to have, a constitutional republic or some sort of unrecognizable technocratic oligarchy? 0.98

00:45:09.000 It absolutely is.

00:45:10.000 I mean, that goes to the heart of what the government claims that it can do and should do in this case.

00:45:17.000 You know, I think this idea that government should be able to censor our speech and decide what we can hear and think and that would create a category of critical infrastructure called cognitive infrastructure is absolute attack on the First Amendment of this and it's terrifying.

00:45:36.000 Liz Murle, thank you so much and best of luck in your candidacy for to become Attorney General of Louisiana.

00:45:41.000 Thanks so much.

00:45:42.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:45:46.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:45:47.000 Everybody, email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:45:50.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

00:45:55.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk. com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - July 05, 2023

A Fourth of July Free Speech Birthday Present with Sen. Eric Schmitt and Liz Murrill

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