The Charlie Kirk Show - A Full Defense of 2,000 Mules with Dinesh D’Souza

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, it's And the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:01.000 Dinesh D'Souza joins us to push back on the falsehoods that are being spread about his film.

00:00:06.000 And also, are you surprised by the reaction of the Roe versus Wade leak?

00:00:11.000 That story seems to have disappeared, interestingly enough.

00:00:14.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:00:17.000 Support the Charlie Kirk show at charliekirk.com/slash support or get involved with TurningPointUSA Today at tpusa.com.

00:00:23.000 That is tpusa.com at tpusa.com.

00:00:27.000 You click on the great reset button, give a gift of any amount, and get my free book, The Conservative Response to the Great Reset.

00:00:33.000 Very simple.

00:00:34.000 Click on the Great Reset, give a gift of any amount, and get a booklet delivered to your home for a gift of any amount.

00:00:39.000 I think you're really going to enjoy it.

00:00:40.000 The conservative response to the great reset.

00:00:43.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:00:44.000 Here we go.

00:00:45.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:47.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

00:00:49.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:52.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:00:56.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:57.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:58.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:01:06.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:15.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:18.000 Brought to you by the Loan Experts I Trust, Andrew and Todd at Sierra Pacific Mortgage at andrewandTodd.com.

00:01:27.000 I want to reinforce this point, which I'd love your thoughts.

00:01:30.000 Email me freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:01:32.000 Have you been surprised or have you been just right on pace?

00:01:39.000 Or are you kind of underwhelmed by the lack of protests that have happened with Roe versus Wade?

00:01:51.000 That Roe v. Wade looking to be overturned, I mean, we expected kind of like a thermonuclear political event.

00:01:59.000 That was kind of the rumblings.

00:02:02.000 It's going to be the biggest protest we've ever seen, and that just hasn't really materialized.

00:02:07.000 Democrats haven't really received the boost, and it doesn't look like there's that much enthusiasm behind that.

00:02:12.000 I mean, it's really interesting.

00:02:15.000 I had someone that actually messaged me, a friend from Chicago, and they said, I actually forgot about the issue.

00:02:23.000 And so did I. Not that it doesn't matter.

00:02:26.000 I mean, obviously, life is a huge issue.

00:02:28.000 You guys know that.

00:02:29.000 I'm constantly pushing forward on that issue.

00:02:32.000 I'm not saying it's not important, but it wasn't kind of on the top of my news here.

00:02:36.000 And I look, I have the New York Times.

00:02:38.000 It's part of my martyrdom, as Dennis Prager would say.

00:02:41.000 I read the New York Times, so you don't have to.

00:02:44.000 Ukraine, Russia, Ukraine, Taiwan.

00:02:49.000 Buffalo's black children are afraid it could happen to me. 0.92

00:02:52.000 So hyper-racist stuff. 0.98

00:02:54.000 Baby formula shortage.

00:02:55.000 Nowhere on the front page of the New York Times.

00:03:00.000 And I just kind of have a couple theories with this.

00:03:03.000 Maybe the abortion topic isn't this kind of polarizing topic that it once was.

00:03:08.000 I think it could be polarizing, of course.

00:03:10.000 I think it could be divisive.

00:03:11.000 But what if America is actually more states' rights than we would have ever thought on this topic?

00:03:17.000 What if this actually de-radicalizes the issue that otherwise we thought was more heated than any other issue in American politics?

00:03:26.000 This was always like the third rail, the third rail.

00:03:28.000 You're allowed to debate tax policy.

00:03:30.000 You're allowed to talk about all these other things.

00:03:33.000 But abortion, people always got the most passionate about.

00:03:37.000 So you have to look at the news cycle as kind of like how much real estate you're able to allocate to certain stories.

00:03:44.000 There's only so much time, so much oxygen you could pour into things.

00:03:47.000 There's only so much that you are able to cover.

00:03:51.000 You have to prioritize.

00:03:53.000 And so the media makes decisions every single day.

00:03:58.000 Kind of like the best analogy I would say is kind of birds flying south for the winter.

00:04:04.000 They're all flying in the same direction, but they kind of form a V by looking horizontally at the other bird to make sure they're kind of all in unison.

00:04:12.000 So it's not direct collusion, but it's certainly coordination.

00:04:16.000 Now, the New York Times is kind of the lead bird leading people down south, to just finish the metaphor of the analogy, as I'm sure there's holes people can point in it.

00:04:25.000 But it's a generally good analogy in the point that people say, oh, Charlie, is there kind of like a Monday morning meeting where the media gets on every, you know, they all kind of get on the same page?

00:04:34.000 Not really.

00:04:36.000 There are times where there is direct collusion between news organizations where they have specific talking points distributed, but that seems to be very, very rare.

00:04:45.000 It seems to be more like coordination, where a couple of quote-unquote thought leaders get the talking points distributed, they pick them up and they repeat them.

00:04:52.000 It's kind of very much like Operation Mockingbird.

00:04:55.000 We hear it, we internalize it, we see it.

00:04:57.000 And there are kind of guardrails where bad behavior is certainly punished from the regime media.

00:05:04.000 And I lived through this very briefly where a couple summers ago, I think it was the summer of 19, if I'm not mistaken.

00:05:13.000 Was it the summer of 19?

00:05:14.000 Is Andrew around?

00:05:15.000 Yeah, where I wrote the piece for the Washington Post.

00:05:17.000 And that's right.

00:05:18.000 I wrote an op-ed for the Washington Post arguing to break up tech companies.

00:05:22.000 The Washington Post, to their credit, I think they've changed since, they took the piece and they published the piece about kind of rescinding Section 230.

00:05:29.000 And I mean, I could criticize the Washington Post all day long.

00:05:32.000 Here's what I will say.

00:05:33.000 They have legitimate distribution.

00:05:34.000 People read it.

00:05:35.000 People take it seriously.

00:05:36.000 I wish it wasn't the case, but it was the case.

00:05:38.000 It is the case.

00:05:39.000 However, when I published for The Washington Post, was that 19?

00:05:45.000 Yeah, it was July 19.

00:05:46.000 I was right.

00:05:47.000 When I published for The Washington Post, the response was remarkable because it wasn't even attacking my ideas.

00:05:55.000 The response was, how dare you, Washington Post, publish an op-ed by Charlie Kirk?

00:06:01.000 It wasn't even like Charlie's ideas are bad.

00:06:04.000 They just tried to invalidate the entire publication by saying, how dare you allow anyone like that?

00:06:09.000 We saw this similar with Senator Tom Cotton when he wrote a piece for the New York Times and basically glitched the entire New York Times.

00:06:17.000 It just kind of went into overdrive and overheated.

00:06:21.000 If you guys ever spend time in the Arizona sun or in the summer, you ever see where your phone kind of gets too hot where it can't work?

00:06:27.000 Have you ever experienced this phenomenon where it says your phone needs to cool down?

00:06:32.000 It kind of has the temperature thing?

00:06:34.000 That's what Tom Cotton did to the New York Times.

00:06:37.000 Just kind of the whole thing, it's like, nope, can't work anymore.

00:06:40.000 Too hot.

00:06:42.000 Happens all the time in Arizona.

00:06:44.000 Connor says it happens in my car sometimes.

00:06:48.000 But the media seems to have kind of collaboratively agreed through coordination.

00:06:54.000 And I'm just looking, I'm looking at the Wall Street Journal.

00:06:56.000 I have the New York Times here.

00:06:59.000 The Roe v. Wade thing isn't a winner. 0.58

00:07:03.000 And what's so fascinating is how many moderate Republicans for years told me that we can't talk about reversing Roe versus Wade because people will lose their mind and that there will be protests in the streets and we'll lose voters.

00:07:18.000 And what that shows, and I want you to imagine for a second, I want to push your boundaries, how much of our action, how much of our potential boldness is held hostage by the belief the left is going to lose their mind and we're going to lose politically when in reality that might not be the case.

00:07:35.000 How many big, ambitious, exciting ideas could we be implementing to better the American nation that we kind of stop short because people say, oh, no, no, bad things might happen.

00:07:48.000 Now, for years, I was told by moderate Republicans, Charlie, stop talking about abortion.

00:07:53.000 Stop talking, we're going to lose voters.

00:07:56.000 It's going to be cataclysmic and you'll unite the left.

00:07:59.000 Well, I'm reading the New York Times just weeks after the leak, and it is nowhere to be found.

00:08:07.000 Now, this was not the case with Floyd Apalooza.

00:08:11.000 During Floyd Apalooza, it was everywhere.

00:08:14.000 Non-stop racial reconciliation, 1619 Project Promotions, the New York Times.

00:08:21.000 Robin D'Angelo, White Fragility, Ibram X. Kendi, Taha Nisi Coates.

00:08:27.000 Non-stop drumbeat of promotion and profiling, of stories, promotion, and platforming is a better word to use than profiling.

00:08:35.000 Non-stop.

00:08:37.000 I don't, I'm expecting, but I'm not seeing in New York.

00:08:41.000 Where in the New York Times is woman in Arkansas dreads that one day she can't have an abortion.

00:08:50.000 Where's the story?

00:08:51.000 I mean, I could write it for them.

00:08:52.000 It's probably going to come at some point.

00:08:54.000 That's not to say they're not going to get re-excited about it before.

00:08:57.000 They're not going to cover it.

00:08:58.000 But if that story had pop, the Roe versus Wade being rescinded, it would be ubiquitous.

00:09:07.000 It would be everywhere.

00:09:09.000 Now, again, I think that if they didn't go all out on Floyd and race, all out on vaccines and masks, all out on Ukraine, I think the Roe versus Wade would have had more spice to the Democrats' recipe for the destruction of America.

00:09:27.000 I think their base is legitimately exhausted.

00:09:32.000 The whole nation is exhausted.

00:09:33.000 We live in a fatigued time.

00:09:36.000 And kind of like when you're in the fourth quarter of a sports game or you're in game seven, is who wants it more?

00:09:42.000 And right now, if you play out the metaphor, the left is tired.

00:09:50.000 It's like they want a break.

00:09:52.000 I'm reading this, and this is just very standard New York Times provda about the Ukraine and all that stuff.

00:10:00.000 I'm sure some of it's fine, but this is not the kind of energy of the activist base that I think they would have hoped.

00:10:09.000 I just find it interesting.

00:10:10.000 I'd love your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:10:13.000 I receive so many texts from people: Charlie Roe versus Wade is going to make us lose the house.

00:10:17.000 Well, a couple weeks later, no one's even talking about it anymore.

00:10:21.000 Maybe everyone who told us not to do bold, ambitious, and good things were wrong.

00:10:29.000 Have you ever heard of American wagu?

00:10:32.000 No, it's not a superfood that will make you live forever or the name of a newest TikTok dance, terrible app.

00:10:37.000 It's some of the sought-after best beef in the world.

00:10:41.000 And I can get you two free pounds of it.

00:10:43.000 Look, I had the wagu here.

00:10:45.000 It is unbelievable.

00:10:48.000 For a limited time, Good Ranchers is giving you two pounds of American Wagoo burgers for free with my code Kirk.

00:10:54.000 I'm telling you, these burgers, if you have anyone mad at you, just give them one of these burgers.

00:11:00.000 It's what I call reconciliation.

00:11:03.000 That's how good these burgers are.

00:11:04.000 Let me tell you, this stuff is incredible.

00:11:06.000 Not only is it the best burgers I've ever tried, but my wife and I, we're even thinking about making tacos, meatballs, and producer Connor, he's cooking it at 3:30 in the morning.

00:11:14.000 At 3:30 in the morning, he's cooking wagu.

00:11:17.000 And when you add Good Ranchers wagu, it makes everything better. 1.00

00:11:20.000 If you do not know this, Good Ranchers sells 100% American meat that is steakhouse quality.

00:11:25.000 That means you can visit goodranchers.com/slash Kirk to get a box of American meat and get two pounds of free American wagu burgers, free shipping added to your order.

00:11:34.000 Trust me when I tell you, the perfect way to kick off summer is with these burgers and everything else they sell.

00:11:39.000 From boxes like the Ranchers Classic, their best-selling combo of beef and chicken, and their new prepper kit.

00:11:44.000 That's right, they got a prepper kit to help you stock up on food to make sure you have the security you need.

00:11:49.000 Everything is delicious and high quality.

00:11:50.000 With meat prices soaring, I love that when you subscribe, you lock in the price and get $25 off every box.

00:11:56.000 So, as long as you're subscribed, your price will not change.

00:11:59.000 Two pounds of free Wagu burgers and zero inflation.

00:12:02.000 Just go get both with my promo code Kirk.

00:12:05.000 If you don't buy the meat in your house, then tell the person who does to grab two free pounds of Wagu burgers today before they're gone.

00:12:11.000 Goodranchers.com, promo code Kirk.

00:12:13.000 That's goodranchers.com, promo code Kirk.

00:12:18.000 So, let's go to Bill Gates.

00:12:21.000 So, Bill Gates is at the World Economic Forum.

00:12:24.000 And how this guy ever got in charge of being in charge of health is just beyond me.

00:12:30.000 And the courageous Joe Rogan has one of the best, the best takes on this.

00:12:38.000 Why do we trust Bill Gates on health again?

00:12:42.000 Let's just first set the table with Rogan talking about Bill Gates, play cut 47.

00:12:49.000 When a guy like that says that, I'm like, are you making money because of this?

00:12:52.000 Like, why are you saying that?

00:12:53.000 And by the way, you look like because if you're eating those plant-based burgers or whatever the you're doing, like, you're obese. 0.95

00:13:02.000 Like, a guy like that telling people about he's got these breasts and this gut. 1.00

00:13:08.000 And I'm like, this is crazy. 0.95

00:13:12.000 You can see why they hate Joe Rogan, the courageous and the brilliant Rogan.

00:13:17.000 I agree with him on very little on many issues, but man, is he talented?

00:13:20.000 And when he goes after Bill Gates and all these globalists, it's like, wait, so Bill Gates, like the guy that looks like incredibly unhealthy, is the guy that's lecturing us on health policy.

00:13:31.000 You would think that if you're worth like $110 billion, you'd get a trainer, supplements.

00:13:35.000 I have to say, like, Bezos, to his credit, he certainly is big into the biohacking thing.

00:13:42.000 Like, Bezos probably has a supplement guy.

00:13:45.000 He has a trainer.

00:13:46.000 He has a nutritionist.

00:13:48.000 Like, he's jacked.

00:13:49.000 Like, Bezos has it going on.

00:13:52.000 Like, Bezos used to be low energy and beta male.

00:13:55.000 And he's like, I got $150,000, $150 billion.

00:13:59.000 Like, we're going to go after it.

00:14:00.000 And he looks good.

00:14:02.000 I mean, Bezos is not my guy at all, obviously, but I mean, just the whole thing, it's just, it's just laziness.

00:14:07.000 It's sloppiness.

00:14:08.000 It's like, Bill Gates, if you're going to go on a worldwide tour trying to convince people to improve their health, you're not exactly winning people over where you're just kind of like incredibly weak and overweight.

00:14:19.000 So Rogan, by the way, is lecturing us about vaccines.

00:14:19.000 Rogan says the best.

00:14:24.000 Let's go to Cut 45, where Gates is now admitting the vaccines we have are no longer good at infection blocking.

00:14:32.000 Play Cut 45.

00:14:34.000 You know, as we do come up with vaccines, we want vaccines that are infection blocking in long duration, which today, you know, the vaccines have saved millions of lives, but they don't have much in the hip duration, and they're not good at infection blocking.

00:14:52.000 Oh, wait, so if they're not good at infection blocking, would it be fair to say that they're a treatment, not a vaccine?

00:14:57.000 This is just the most important and most operative follow-up question.

00:15:01.000 And so he says they save millions of lives.

00:15:02.000 Say, hold on a second.

00:15:04.000 How many people have been harmed by the vaccine?

00:15:07.000 Very legitimate question, according to VARES, according to the Pfizer data.

00:15:10.000 And then additionally, and more holistically, how would the vaccine hold up if it is a treatment, which is the proper way to categorize it?

00:15:19.000 A highly risky treatment and not a very good one.

00:15:22.000 How does that treatment stand up against other interventions that we're not allowed to talk about, Mr. Gates?

00:15:27.000 Like ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, monoclonal antibodies, intravenous therapy, vitamin D booster shot, ozone therapy, and many others.

00:15:37.000 So Gates admits it doesn't prevent transmission.

00:15:40.000 The point of inoculation is to try to get your body exposed enough that it starts to build white blood cells, that it recognizes the potential virus so you don't get infected in the first place.

00:15:53.000 If, you see, they had to lie.

00:15:55.000 This is a very important thing.

00:15:57.000 They had to lie about the vaccine in this sense.

00:16:00.000 They had to tell you this noble lie in their mind, as Plato would call it, a narrative of deceit, because as soon as they would say that the vaccine doesn't prevent infection, well, then it actually, from a technological, medical technology point of view, it ceases to be a vaccine.

00:16:17.000 Therefore, it no longer gets its immunity protections from the federal government.

00:16:21.000 Therefore, these companies could be sued into oblivion for the adverse events and reactions.

00:16:25.000 And then, if there were other treatments available, which they said they were not, which is exactly why they had to punish ivermectin, exactly why they had to go after hydroxychloroquine, exactly why they had to suppress the conversation of vitamin D booster shots.

00:16:37.000 But now Gates is like, oh, yeah, it's actually not good against infection.

00:16:39.000 Then is it actually a vaccine?

00:16:41.000 Or is it a vino?

00:16:44.000 A vaccine in name only.

00:16:45.000 I just came up with that, like a rhino.

00:16:49.000 Which, again, I'm not even getting into the whole Gates thing where he says it saved millions of lives.

00:16:54.000 There is some evidence to show that if you do not have adverse reactions and you don't drop dead of deep vein thrombosis or you don't drop dead of a heart attack or you don't have other adverse events, that there are some studies to show that the vaccine very well could potentially produce some white belt white blood antibodies.

00:17:12.000 But that is not at all the same thing as is it better than the other treatments and prevents potential infection.

00:17:19.000 And Gates now admits that.

00:17:23.000 Look, as you know, our friend Mike Lindell has amazing passion and especially has a passion to help everyone get the best sleep of their life.

00:17:30.000 He didn't stop by simply creating the best pillow.

00:17:32.000 Now Mike has done it again by introducing my slippers.

00:17:35.000 For unlimited time, you'll save $90 on a pair of my slippers.

00:17:38.000 This blowout sale of the year won't last, so order now.

00:17:41.000 Mike has taken over two years to develop this.

00:17:43.000 The my slippers are designed to wear indoors out all day long, made with my pillow foam and impact gel to help prevent fatigue, made with quality leather suede.

00:17:52.000 Call 800-875-0425 or click on promo code Kirk or mypillow.com.

00:17:57.000 Click on the Radio Listener Square and use promo code Kirk.

00:18:00.000 This offer will not last long.

00:18:02.000 So order now with promo code Kirk at mypillow.com, promo code Kirk at mypillow.com.

00:18:09.000 2000 Mules is taking the world by storm.

00:18:13.000 The number 2000mules.com, it's the Dinesh D'Souza film research done by True the Vote.

00:18:18.000 We just had an unbelievable event with Dinesh here in Phoenix, Arizona.

00:18:23.000 It was like 2,000 people for 2,000 mules.

00:18:26.000 And with us right now to kind of give an update on how the film is doing and also kind of go through some of these ridiculous fact checks that have emerged is the great Dinesh D'Souza.

00:18:34.000 Dinesh, welcome back to the program.

00:18:36.000 Charlie, always a pleasure.

00:18:37.000 And it was really fun to be in Arizona.

00:18:39.000 I mean, the level of energy, people were really fired up and they want to see some real change come out of this.

00:18:46.000 They want the movie to be the propeller, but only the first step of a lot of things that have to happen next.

00:18:52.000 Well, you've been doing a great job.

00:18:54.000 And we're starting to see, I think, a change in how the media is covering this.

00:18:58.000 You're starting to see kind of a validation almost where they are covering it now in the Washington Post and the Daily Beast, albeit they're doing it sloppily, dishonestly, and in a way to try to delegitimize the film.

00:19:11.000 But I think it does the opposite.

00:19:13.000 I think it actually further platforms the movie.

00:19:15.000 Let's just talk more broadly than we can get into specifics.

00:19:18.000 What's your reaction on how this movie is being covered by the mainstream media?

00:19:24.000 Well, it seems to me that they went in two phases.

00:19:27.000 In the first phase, they unleashed some fact checkers, PolitiFact, Ali Swenson, AP, a couple of other articles, and they tried to be dismissive, like geotracking doesn't really work and those kinds of things, which were kind of manifestly absurd.

00:19:44.000 And I think even the left realized that's really not going to do the job.

00:19:48.000 So now they've unleashed their bigger guns, Philip Bump of the Washington Post.

00:19:55.000 There's a big New York Times article that's seemingly underway, hasn't come out yet.

00:19:59.000 And NPR tried to sort of get us on the issue of an ancillary murder that's discussed in the movie, as if to say, you know, we lied about it.

00:20:07.000 So there's sort of this second wave of liberal attack, much more detailed, tries to be more sophisticated, but I think it's not, it's really not landing a real glove on the movie either.

00:20:20.000 Yeah.

00:20:20.000 And so kind of part of their case is that let's just start with the main indictment that if this was true, then the movie would be invalidated is the technology of which the entire thesis is built upon, which is geolac, geotracking, geolocation data.

00:20:36.000 They're saying it's not accurate.

00:20:38.000 You can't use it, even though law enforcement used it to find the January 6th protesters.

00:20:42.000 They used it to obviously solve the murder in the film.

00:20:45.000 They've used it in many different cases, but for whatever reason, you can't use it when it comes to election fraud.

00:20:50.000 What's your reaction to that accusation?

00:20:54.000 Well, let's grant the accusation for a minute, just for hypothetical purposes.

00:20:58.000 And let's say that geotracking is only accurate to within 30 feet.

00:21:02.000 This is basically Philip Bump of the Washington Post.

00:21:05.000 Well, the beauty of what Truth of Vote did in their search algorithm by saying we're going to try to find mules who went to 10 or more Dropboxes is that if you are within 30 feet of 10 or more Dropboxes, I think it's safe to say that you're up to no good.

00:21:22.000 The reason is that these aren't post office boxes.

00:21:24.000 You don't go to drop bills or write your mom.

00:21:27.000 These are ballot drop boxes, the only purpose of which is to receive ballots.

00:21:33.000 So again, a lot of the criticisms of the movie, things like, well, maybe people are delivering votes of family members.

00:21:39.000 Well, again, why would you go to 10 or more drop boxes to do that?

00:21:44.000 The geotracking, in fact, is very accurate.

00:21:46.000 It's accurate to within really somewhere between 18 inches and two feet.

00:21:51.000 But you don't even need that kind of accuracy for a Dropbox.

00:21:53.000 You just want to basically place someone right in front of the Dropbox.

00:21:58.000 And in an age where the CDC is using geotracking to see, for example, if people are maintaining social distancing of six feet, well, I mean, how could you do that if geotracking wasn't accurate to within six feet?

00:22:09.000 Well, and then there's also a very simple counter argument to Philip Bump on the Washington Post, which is, okay, then why would they go to one Dropbox after the other immediately after the other?

00:22:19.000 So it'd be one thing if they were an election worker, then, okay, over a long period of time, they might be going to an election, taking, you know, taking launch.

00:22:27.000 But no, they are going, their pattern was Dropbox to Dropbox to Dropbox to Dropbox to Dropbox.

00:22:33.000 So it wasn't just that they did 10 Dropboxes.

00:22:37.000 That's bad.

00:22:38.000 But they did it consecutively.

00:22:40.000 Like that was, they were almost on a, they were on a drug run.

00:22:44.000 Like they were on a mission.

00:22:46.000 Like I have to hit every single one of the boxes and check them all.

00:22:50.000 And not only that, but a lot of them would make, would hit some drop boxes and then they would return to one of these boat stash houses or left-wing organizations to pick up more ballots and then go on to more drop boxes.

00:23:03.000 Let's be clear, geotracking can tell the difference between someone who's stationary in front of an object and someone who's going right by it.

00:23:10.000 So when people say things, some of the fact checkers, well, these are just cab drivers driving by or moms going back and forth to soccer practice or whatever for their kids.

00:23:19.000 No, geotracking is not going past a Dropbox and onto a library.

00:23:24.000 It's going to a Dropbox, back to your car, onto another Dropbox, back to your car, and onto the next one.

00:23:30.000 And so then they also, they can't refute the video evidence.

00:23:30.000 Yeah.

00:23:34.000 And additionally, they also can't refute the time.

00:23:38.000 So 1 a.m., 2 a.m., 3 a.m.

00:23:41.000 So that would immediately, just by logical analysis, disqualify the mom going to soccer practice. 1.00

00:23:48.000 And so you kind of asked Philip Bump from the Washington Post or any of these charlatans that cover this film, like, let's just put on kind of our common sense hat here.

00:23:56.000 You think that going to 15 Dropboxes between 1 a.m. and 4 a.m., also being caught on camera and doing that over and over again, and then also going to a Democrat nonprofit organization is not reason to believe that there might be some smoke here?

00:24:13.000 Well, what happens with these guys like Bump and others, Tom Dreisbuck of NPR and so on, is they make individual criticisms, which if you hadn't seen the movie, are plausible on their face.

00:24:24.000 And so they'll say, for example, that isn't it common for people to take photos of themselves after they voted?

00:24:29.000 They're very proud of exercising their citizenship duties.

00:24:32.000 Well, yeah, but we don't see on the video people taking photos of themselves with an eye-voted sticker.

00:24:38.000 We see mules dropping in ballots and standing behind the camera, taking photos of the ballots going in.

00:24:44.000 Now, that would much more plausibly be explained.

00:24:47.000 Like I got to show that I didn't just go throw out the ballots in a trash can.

00:24:50.000 I did my job.

00:24:51.000 Look, here I am taking photos of the ballots.

00:24:53.000 This is why I need to get paid.

00:24:55.000 That's a plausible explanation of what they're doing.

00:24:58.000 And the rival explanation makes no sense.

00:25:00.000 Similarly, the gloves.

00:25:01.000 Yeah, if all the mules from the beginning to the end were wearing gloves, you'd say maybe it's COVID.

00:25:06.000 But when you see mules not wearing gloves in the early voting, not wearing gloves on election day, but then they start wearing gloves at a certain date in December for the Georgia runoffs, and they're doing it right after an indictment in Arizona where the FBI is able to bust some bad guys because they left fingerprints on multiple ballots.

00:25:24.000 And then the word goes out among the mules, let's start wearing latex gloves.

00:25:27.000 So which is a better explanation of the facts as you see before you?

00:25:31.000 Obviously, it's not the COVID theory.

00:25:34.000 Obviously, it's the, let's make sure we don't leave our fingerprints on the ballot theory.

00:25:38.000 Well, and then they all, yeah, they just take them off immediately when they're done.

00:25:41.000 I mean, that's the gloves serve their purpose, which was the purpose of anonymizing them.

00:25:46.000 So then some people on the right say they're not convinced, Dinesh, because they didn't see mules going to more than one Dropbox all throughout videos.

00:25:54.000 You have that video.

00:25:56.000 You will release that video.

00:25:57.000 But you also are very clear not to concede the point as if that is totally necessary to prove the broader picture.

00:26:04.000 Talk about both of those particulars.

00:26:06.000 Yeah, it's not necessary because in a sense, you could say that just for the same reason in a murder trial, DNA evidence or fingerprint evidence is better than eyewitness evidence.

00:26:17.000 Why?

00:26:18.000 Because it establishes unmistakably that you were there.

00:26:20.000 You're at the crime scene.

00:26:21.000 Now, with eyewitness evidence, somebody could be mistaken.

00:26:24.000 You look like somebody else who's similar features.

00:26:27.000 But if you leave your DNA on the crime scene, you were there.

00:26:30.000 Similarly, if you have a serial killer, for example, go to five different homes with his cell phone and he's geo-tracked.

00:26:38.000 And you can establish definitively, look, he was there because his phone was there.

00:26:41.000 Now, at the third home or the fourth home is the only home where you happen to have a video camera.

00:26:46.000 And so the geotracking tells you he got to that home at 2 a.m. in the morning.

00:26:50.000 You look on the video, boom, there he is.

00:26:51.000 What's he doing?

00:26:53.000 He's up to no good.

00:26:54.000 So you have clearly established, based on the geotracking alone, the presence of the phone at that location.

00:27:01.000 And then it is corroborated by the video that you do have.

00:27:04.000 Now, obviously, if there were video at all the other locations, you would expect to find him on the video.

00:27:09.000 But what if there's video at only one Dropbox out of 10?

00:27:12.000 Then the mule who goes to 10 Dropboxes is only found on the one, but he's found on the one at the exact point that the geotracking says his cell phone was there.

00:27:22.000 And so, for some people on the center right that aren't on payroll for the propaganda media, what I'm really disappointed in is that this movie is now confirmation of a very obvious gut feeling that none of this made any sense until now, right?

00:27:22.000 Yeah.

00:27:37.000 So, we came up with terms like ballot laundering.

00:27:40.000 We were kind of confused how Donald Trump was able to win 26 out of 27 of the Bellwether counties, but was not able to win the White House.

00:27:49.000 There was a lot of confusion around all of that.

00:27:51.000 Remember that how Republicans advanced in the House considerably, but they didn't have those kind of tails in the places necessary.

00:27:59.000 But what you're able to demonstrate, though, is not just in states, and I want to make this very clear, is that the kind of running up the score, the increase was in very particular counties in states, even more in particular parts of the counties and states where it wouldn't have been able to be picked up.

00:28:16.000 For example, these were heavy Democrat areas as they were.

00:28:20.000 So, this is the argument that some people make.

00:28:22.000 Well, Charlie, why didn't they do this in all the house races, right?

00:28:25.000 Well, because they're in more suburban districts or rural districts where this sort of behavior would have been spotted probably by people.

00:28:33.000 This is not where if you're doing this in downtown Fulton County, where this might be going on for quite some time, it could kind of blend in.

00:28:41.000 Can you elaborate on that a little bit?

00:28:44.000 Yeah, there's no question that these techniques have been perfected by Democrats over a long period of time, but they've been perfected at the smaller scale.

00:28:53.000 So, for example, it's been well known that absentee ballot fraud, mail-in ballot fraud is the most common type of fraud.

00:29:00.000 But in the past, it was a relatively small portion of the overall election.

00:29:04.000 I think what happened in 2020 is the Democrats realized we've got a golden opportunity, and that is we can ramp up the fraud 20-fold, 50-fold, and all in areas where there's not like a Republican in sight.

00:29:16.000 And I think this also looking bad explains the kind of smugness of the Biden campaign.

00:29:21.000 Not only did he not really campaign, it never felt like he had to.

00:29:25.000 It's almost like someone told him, listen, you've got this in the bag.

00:29:28.000 Don't really worry about it.

00:29:29.000 It's kind of a formality.

00:29:30.000 Sure, eight people show up at your rally, but don't freak out because we've got this kind of locked down.

00:29:36.000 So, so this was a case where the Democrats were able to set up a procedure of cheating.

00:29:42.000 And Republicans, even though they sort of anticipated it, did not exactly know where it was going to happen and were not able to bust it at the time itself.

00:29:53.000 Pay very close attention, everybody.

00:29:55.000 Charlie Kirk here.

00:29:56.000 We're now facing severe food shortages, high inflation, and outrageous fuel prices.

00:30:01.000 Some people are saying there's a looming recession, and possibly things could get even worse.

00:30:06.000 Are you prepared?

00:30:07.000 Do you have enough emergency food stored up for months and months?

00:30:10.000 If not, go to preparewithkirk.com.

00:30:12.000 You'll save $150 on a three-month emergency food kit from MyPatriot supply.

00:30:17.000 Be sure to get at least one kit for each person in your family.

00:30:20.000 Your three-month emergency food kit gives you a wide variety of delicious meals every day, breakfast, lunch, dinner, drinks, and snacks for three full months per person.

00:30:28.000 If the worst happens and you don't have this emergency food kit, you'll regret it.

00:30:32.000 So, go to preparewithkirk.com right now to save $150 per three-month food kit.

00:30:36.000 Act quickly because these kits are selling like hot cakes.

00:30:40.000 Your order ships fast and arrives discreetly in unmarked boxes.

00:30:43.000 You get free shipping as well.

00:30:45.000 So, go to preparewithkirk.com.

00:30:47.000 That's preparewithkirk.com.

00:30:49.000 You're nine meals away from anarchy.

00:30:50.000 Prepare yourself at preparewithkirk.com.

00:30:56.000 Dinesh, why is the conservative media, some of it completely silent on 2,000 meals?

00:31:04.000 Well, I think with Newsmax and with Fox, one possibility, and I'm only speculating here, is a legal jeopardy.

00:31:13.000 Now, there is in fact no legal jeopardy because these networks are being sued by Dominion over their allegations or having aired allegations about machines switching votes and things like that.

00:31:27.000 Now, as you know, there's none of that in this film.

00:31:30.000 So, I almost feel like the lawyers who blew it the last time and are now in this extremely costly litigation are going to Fox and trying to cover their butts by saying, let's not touch this issue.

00:31:39.000 Whereas, in fact, there's no reason that they can't cover this as a legitimate story.

00:31:44.000 Again, no one is saying that they have to endorse it or embrace it.

00:31:47.000 We're just saying it's really odd that when Dinesh is able to have a 10,000-word conversation with Philip Bump in the Washington Post all about the intricacies of 2,000 Mules, that somehow even the name can't be mentioned by any of the hosts on Fox News.

00:32:02.000 Yeah, and so some, I mean, I just want to give a shout out to Salem, the Salem Media Group, for their courage for doing this film.

00:32:11.000 Honor to be part of Salem.

00:32:12.000 It really tells me a lot about the company that Salem is, that they put their name behind this and that they've enthusiastically helped promote it.

00:32:19.000 But some of the other objections here from Philip Bump, I mean, I could go through them here, Dinesh.

00:32:24.000 For example, they say that there's a sweeping claim at the end that all ballots, these 2,000 mules submitted are for Biden, but none for Trump.

00:32:32.000 There's no absolute, there's no way to know that, but they jump to that conclusion.

00:32:36.000 Of course, we know that these are in heavily Democratic trafficked areas, so you can assume even 90 or 95% would skew Democrat.

00:32:43.000 What's your reaction?

00:32:45.000 Yeah, I mean, one way to think about this is that imagine if there were an identical operation that was being organized on the other side.

00:32:54.000 And so let's say, for example, Michael Moore made a film and he shows massive paid ballot trafficking and the mules are going to places like the NRA or the Heritage Foundation and collecting ballots.

00:33:08.000 And that these ballots are being, and that when you look at the population of mules, you discover most of them belong to a handful of massive evangelical mega churches.

00:33:17.000 I mean, would the Democrats have any doubt about saying, wait a minute, this is Republicans cheating?

00:33:21.000 They're cheating to deliver Republican votes.

00:33:23.000 It'd be obvious that that was the case.

00:33:25.000 So here, when you look at the fact that these are Democratic areas, number two, these are far left-wing organizations serving as the so-called vote stash houses.

00:33:34.000 And three, there's a considerable overlap between the mule population on the one hand and the kind of Antifa BLM riot population on the other.

00:33:43.000 It's pretty obvious that this is a left-wing operation aimed at delivering votes for Joe Biden and the Democrats.

00:33:49.000 So in closing, Dinesh, I believe this film is hitting a critical mass.

00:33:53.000 The chatter is only intensifying.

00:33:55.000 You know, some films get less popular after the release.

00:33:59.000 Films that have real stickiness, that's where you really got to pay close attention, where it's actually growing.

00:34:05.000 And I'm sure your numbers are showing it as well.

00:34:08.000 It's back in theaters, actually.

00:34:10.000 People can now go see it at specific theaters.

00:34:13.000 Where are we at with this film?

00:34:14.000 Do you think that the potential impact is only just beginning?

00:34:19.000 Yeah, I certainly hope so.

00:34:20.000 I think the idea, this is a film that was made to draw attention to this really critical issue.

00:34:26.000 And I was also careful, Charlie, if you notice that this is a film that although Trump, it vindicates Trump, Trump, as you know, is enthusiastic about the film, but Trump is not present in a whole lot of the film.

00:34:38.000 In fact, out of 90 minutes, I would say probably less than two minutes features Trump himself.

00:34:43.000 And contrast is, for example, Dave Bossi's film, which is about 45 minutes called Rigged, has a long interview with Trump.

00:34:48.000 It's about 10 minutes in the movie.

00:34:50.000 And the reason I did that was because I wanted to emphasize this isn't just about Trump.

00:34:54.000 The votes are being stolen from the American people.

00:34:57.000 They're a subversion of democracy itself.

00:34:59.000 So again, this is an issue like free speech that really transcends politics.

00:35:03.000 I think one reason the left is trying to block its own side from seeing the film.

00:35:07.000 I've seen headlines in places like Media hype that say, we've seen this film, so you don't have to.

00:35:14.000 I think the left is worried that if Democrats saw the film, they would freak out because even Democrats don't want to win by cheating.

00:35:21.000 That's exactly right.

00:35:22.000 Number 2000mules.com.

00:35:24.000 Check it out, 2000mules.com.

00:35:26.000 You can watch it on Rumble Locals on Dinesh's Locals channel, exclusively on RumbleOnline, also SalemNow.com.

00:35:34.000 Or just go to a theater and check it out.

00:35:36.000 We are doing a showing with Dinesh, I think, this weekend in Atlanta, Georgia.

00:35:42.000 And there's going to be some phenomenal energy and people there.

00:35:44.000 So, Dinesh, keep up the wonderful work.

00:35:46.000 We have your back.

00:35:46.000 We've been defending the film all throughout this entire process.

00:35:50.000 And I believe it's just beginning to hit a critical mass.

00:35:53.000 Thank you so much, Dinesh.

00:35:54.000 Charlie, really appreciate it.

00:35:55.000 Thank you so much.

00:35:56.000 We got your back.

00:35:57.000 Thank you.

00:36:00.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:01.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:04.000 Thank you so much for listening.

00:36:05.000 God bless.

00:36:08.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk. com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - May 25, 2022

A Full Defense of 2,000 Mules with Dinesh D’Souza

Episode Stats

Summary

Transcript