00:00:58.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:06.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:03:53.000And so the media makes decisions every single day.
00:03:58.000Kind of like the best analogy I would say is kind of birds flying south for the winter.
00:04:04.000They're all flying in the same direction, but they kind of form a V by looking horizontally at the other bird to make sure they're kind of all in unison.
00:04:12.000So it's not direct collusion, but it's certainly coordination.
00:04:16.000Now, the New York Times is kind of the lead bird leading people down south, to just finish the metaphor of the analogy, as I'm sure there's holes people can point in it.
00:04:25.000But it's a generally good analogy in the point that people say, oh, Charlie, is there kind of like a Monday morning meeting where the media gets on every, you know, they all kind of get on the same page?
00:04:36.000There are times where there is direct collusion between news organizations where they have specific talking points distributed, but that seems to be very, very rare.
00:04:45.000It seems to be more like coordination, where a couple of quote-unquote thought leaders get the talking points distributed, they pick them up and they repeat them.
00:04:52.000It's kind of very much like Operation Mockingbird.
00:04:55.000We hear it, we internalize it, we see it.
00:04:57.000And there are kind of guardrails where bad behavior is certainly punished from the regime media.
00:05:04.000And I lived through this very briefly where a couple summers ago, I think it was the summer of 19, if I'm not mistaken.
00:05:18.000I wrote an op-ed for the Washington Post arguing to break up tech companies.
00:05:22.000The Washington Post, to their credit, I think they've changed since, they took the piece and they published the piece about kind of rescinding Section 230.
00:05:29.000And I mean, I could criticize the Washington Post all day long.
00:07:03.000And what's so fascinating is how many moderate Republicans for years told me that we can't talk about reversing Roe versus Wade because people will lose their mind and that there will be protests in the streets and we'll lose voters.
00:07:18.000And what that shows, and I want you to imagine for a second, I want to push your boundaries, how much of our action, how much of our potential boldness is held hostage by the belief the left is going to lose their mind and we're going to lose politically when in reality that might not be the case.
00:07:35.000How many big, ambitious, exciting ideas could we be implementing to better the American nation that we kind of stop short because people say, oh, no, no, bad things might happen.
00:07:48.000Now, for years, I was told by moderate Republicans, Charlie, stop talking about abortion.
00:07:53.000Stop talking, we're going to lose voters.
00:07:56.000It's going to be cataclysmic and you'll unite the left.
00:07:59.000Well, I'm reading the New York Times just weeks after the leak, and it is nowhere to be found.
00:08:07.000Now, this was not the case with Floyd Apalooza.
00:08:11.000During Floyd Apalooza, it was everywhere.
00:08:14.000Non-stop racial reconciliation, 1619 Project Promotions, the New York Times.
00:08:21.000Robin D'Angelo, White Fragility, Ibram X. Kendi, Taha Nisi Coates.
00:08:27.000Non-stop drumbeat of promotion and profiling, of stories, promotion, and platforming is a better word to use than profiling.
00:09:09.000Now, again, I think that if they didn't go all out on Floyd and race, all out on vaccines and masks, all out on Ukraine, I think the Roe versus Wade would have had more spice to the Democrats' recipe for the destruction of America.
00:09:27.000I think their base is legitimately exhausted.
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00:13:17.000I agree with him on very little on many issues, but man, is he talented?
00:13:20.000And when he goes after Bill Gates and all these globalists, it's like, wait, so Bill Gates, like the guy that looks like incredibly unhealthy, is the guy that's lecturing us on health policy.
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00:14:19.000So Rogan, by the way, is lecturing us about vaccines.
00:14:34.000You know, as we do come up with vaccines, we want vaccines that are infection blocking in long duration, which today, you know, the vaccines have saved millions of lives, but they don't have much in the hip duration, and they're not good at infection blocking.
00:14:52.000Oh, wait, so if they're not good at infection blocking, would it be fair to say that they're a treatment, not a vaccine?
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00:15:01.000And so he says they save millions of lives.
00:15:04.000How many people have been harmed by the vaccine?
00:15:07.000Very legitimate question, according to VARES, according to the Pfizer data.
00:15:10.000And then additionally, and more holistically, how would the vaccine hold up if it is a treatment, which is the proper way to categorize it?
00:15:19.000A highly risky treatment and not a very good one.
00:15:22.000How does that treatment stand up against other interventions that we're not allowed to talk about, Mr. Gates?
00:15:27.000Like ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, monoclonal antibodies, intravenous therapy, vitamin D booster shot, ozone therapy, and many others.
00:15:37.000So Gates admits it doesn't prevent transmission.
00:15:40.000The point of inoculation is to try to get your body exposed enough that it starts to build white blood cells, that it recognizes the potential virus so you don't get infected in the first place.
00:15:57.000They had to lie about the vaccine in this sense.
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00:16:17.000Therefore, it no longer gets its immunity protections from the federal government.
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00:17:12.000But that is not at all the same thing as is it better than the other treatments and prevents potential infection.
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00:18:09.0002000 Mules is taking the world by storm.
00:18:13.000The number 2000mules.com, it's the Dinesh D'Souza film research done by True the Vote.
00:18:18.000We just had an unbelievable event with Dinesh here in Phoenix, Arizona.
00:18:23.000It was like 2,000 people for 2,000 mules.
00:18:26.000And with us right now to kind of give an update on how the film is doing and also kind of go through some of these ridiculous fact checks that have emerged is the great Dinesh D'Souza.
00:18:54.000And we're starting to see, I think, a change in how the media is covering this.
00:18:58.000You're starting to see kind of a validation almost where they are covering it now in the Washington Post and the Daily Beast, albeit they're doing it sloppily, dishonestly, and in a way to try to delegitimize the film.
00:19:13.000I think it actually further platforms the movie.
00:19:15.000Let's just talk more broadly than we can get into specifics.
00:19:18.000What's your reaction on how this movie is being covered by the mainstream media?
00:19:24.000Well, it seems to me that they went in two phases.
00:19:27.000In the first phase, they unleashed some fact checkers, PolitiFact, Ali Swenson, AP, a couple of other articles, and they tried to be dismissive, like geotracking doesn't really work and those kinds of things, which were kind of manifestly absurd.
00:19:44.000And I think even the left realized that's really not going to do the job.
00:19:48.000So now they've unleashed their bigger guns, Philip Bump of the Washington Post.
00:19:55.000There's a big New York Times article that's seemingly underway, hasn't come out yet.
00:19:59.000And NPR tried to sort of get us on the issue of an ancillary murder that's discussed in the movie, as if to say, you know, we lied about it.
00:20:07.000So there's sort of this second wave of liberal attack, much more detailed, tries to be more sophisticated, but I think it's not, it's really not landing a real glove on the movie either.
00:20:20.000And so kind of part of their case is that let's just start with the main indictment that if this was true, then the movie would be invalidated is the technology of which the entire thesis is built upon, which is geolac, geotracking, geolocation data.
00:20:38.000You can't use it, even though law enforcement used it to find the January 6th protesters.
00:20:42.000They used it to obviously solve the murder in the film.
00:20:45.000They've used it in many different cases, but for whatever reason, you can't use it when it comes to election fraud.
00:20:50.000What's your reaction to that accusation?
00:20:54.000Well, let's grant the accusation for a minute, just for hypothetical purposes.
00:20:58.000And let's say that geotracking is only accurate to within 30 feet.
00:21:02.000This is basically Philip Bump of the Washington Post.
00:21:05.000Well, the beauty of what Truth of Vote did in their search algorithm by saying we're going to try to find mules who went to 10 or more Dropboxes is that if you are within 30 feet of 10 or more Dropboxes, I think it's safe to say that you're up to no good.
00:21:22.000The reason is that these aren't post office boxes.
00:21:24.000You don't go to drop bills or write your mom.
00:21:27.000These are ballot drop boxes, the only purpose of which is to receive ballots.
00:21:33.000So again, a lot of the criticisms of the movie, things like, well, maybe people are delivering votes of family members.
00:21:39.000Well, again, why would you go to 10 or more drop boxes to do that?
00:21:44.000The geotracking, in fact, is very accurate.
00:21:46.000It's accurate to within really somewhere between 18 inches and two feet.
00:21:51.000But you don't even need that kind of accuracy for a Dropbox.
00:21:53.000You just want to basically place someone right in front of the Dropbox.
00:21:58.000And in an age where the CDC is using geotracking to see, for example, if people are maintaining social distancing of six feet, well, I mean, how could you do that if geotracking wasn't accurate to within six feet?
00:22:09.000Well, and then there's also a very simple counter argument to Philip Bump on the Washington Post, which is, okay, then why would they go to one Dropbox after the other immediately after the other?
00:22:19.000So it'd be one thing if they were an election worker, then, okay, over a long period of time, they might be going to an election, taking, you know, taking launch.
00:22:27.000But no, they are going, their pattern was Dropbox to Dropbox to Dropbox to Dropbox to Dropbox.
00:22:33.000So it wasn't just that they did 10 Dropboxes.
00:22:46.000Like I have to hit every single one of the boxes and check them all.
00:22:50.000And not only that, but a lot of them would make, would hit some drop boxes and then they would return to one of these boat stash houses or left-wing organizations to pick up more ballots and then go on to more drop boxes.
00:23:03.000Let's be clear, geotracking can tell the difference between someone who's stationary in front of an object and someone who's going right by it.
00:23:10.000So when people say things, some of the fact checkers, well, these are just cab drivers driving by or moms going back and forth to soccer practice or whatever for their kids.
00:23:19.000No, geotracking is not going past a Dropbox and onto a library.
00:23:24.000It's going to a Dropbox, back to your car, onto another Dropbox, back to your car, and onto the next one.
00:23:30.000And so then they also, they can't refute the video evidence.
00:23:41.000So that would immediately, just by logical analysis, disqualify the mom going to soccer practice.
00:23:48.000And so you kind of asked Philip Bump from the Washington Post or any of these charlatans that cover this film, like, let's just put on kind of our common sense hat here.
00:23:56.000You think that going to 15 Dropboxes between 1 a.m. and 4 a.m., also being caught on camera and doing that over and over again, and then also going to a Democrat nonprofit organization is not reason to believe that there might be some smoke here?
00:24:13.000Well, what happens with these guys like Bump and others, Tom Dreisbuck of NPR and so on, is they make individual criticisms, which if you hadn't seen the movie, are plausible on their face.
00:24:24.000And so they'll say, for example, that isn't it common for people to take photos of themselves after they voted?
00:24:29.000They're very proud of exercising their citizenship duties.
00:24:32.000Well, yeah, but we don't see on the video people taking photos of themselves with an eye-voted sticker.
00:24:38.000We see mules dropping in ballots and standing behind the camera, taking photos of the ballots going in.
00:24:44.000Now, that would much more plausibly be explained.
00:24:47.000Like I got to show that I didn't just go throw out the ballots in a trash can.
00:25:01.000Yeah, if all the mules from the beginning to the end were wearing gloves, you'd say maybe it's COVID.
00:25:06.000But when you see mules not wearing gloves in the early voting, not wearing gloves on election day, but then they start wearing gloves at a certain date in December for the Georgia runoffs, and they're doing it right after an indictment in Arizona where the FBI is able to bust some bad guys because they left fingerprints on multiple ballots.
00:25:24.000And then the word goes out among the mules, let's start wearing latex gloves.
00:25:27.000So which is a better explanation of the facts as you see before you?
00:25:34.000Obviously, it's the, let's make sure we don't leave our fingerprints on the ballot theory.
00:25:38.000Well, and then they all, yeah, they just take them off immediately when they're done.
00:25:41.000I mean, that's the gloves serve their purpose, which was the purpose of anonymizing them.
00:25:46.000So then some people on the right say they're not convinced, Dinesh, because they didn't see mules going to more than one Dropbox all throughout videos.
00:26:06.000Yeah, it's not necessary because in a sense, you could say that just for the same reason in a murder trial, DNA evidence or fingerprint evidence is better than eyewitness evidence.
00:26:54.000So you have clearly established, based on the geotracking alone, the presence of the phone at that location.
00:27:01.000And then it is corroborated by the video that you do have.
00:27:04.000Now, obviously, if there were video at all the other locations, you would expect to find him on the video.
00:27:09.000But what if there's video at only one Dropbox out of 10?
00:27:12.000Then the mule who goes to 10 Dropboxes is only found on the one, but he's found on the one at the exact point that the geotracking says his cell phone was there.
00:27:22.000And so, for some people on the center right that aren't on payroll for the propaganda media, what I'm really disappointed in is that this movie is now confirmation of a very obvious gut feeling that none of this made any sense until now, right?
00:27:37.000So, we came up with terms like ballot laundering.
00:27:40.000We were kind of confused how Donald Trump was able to win 26 out of 27 of the Bellwether counties, but was not able to win the White House.
00:27:49.000There was a lot of confusion around all of that.
00:27:51.000Remember that how Republicans advanced in the House considerably, but they didn't have those kind of tails in the places necessary.
00:27:59.000But what you're able to demonstrate, though, is not just in states, and I want to make this very clear, is that the kind of running up the score, the increase was in very particular counties in states, even more in particular parts of the counties and states where it wouldn't have been able to be picked up.
00:28:16.000For example, these were heavy Democrat areas as they were.
00:28:20.000So, this is the argument that some people make.
00:28:22.000Well, Charlie, why didn't they do this in all the house races, right?
00:28:25.000Well, because they're in more suburban districts or rural districts where this sort of behavior would have been spotted probably by people.
00:28:33.000This is not where if you're doing this in downtown Fulton County, where this might be going on for quite some time, it could kind of blend in.
00:28:41.000Can you elaborate on that a little bit?
00:28:44.000Yeah, there's no question that these techniques have been perfected by Democrats over a long period of time, but they've been perfected at the smaller scale.
00:28:53.000So, for example, it's been well known that absentee ballot fraud, mail-in ballot fraud is the most common type of fraud.
00:29:00.000But in the past, it was a relatively small portion of the overall election.
00:29:04.000I think what happened in 2020 is the Democrats realized we've got a golden opportunity, and that is we can ramp up the fraud 20-fold, 50-fold, and all in areas where there's not like a Republican in sight.
00:29:16.000And I think this also looking bad explains the kind of smugness of the Biden campaign.
00:29:21.000Not only did he not really campaign, it never felt like he had to.
00:29:25.000It's almost like someone told him, listen, you've got this in the bag.
00:29:30.000Sure, eight people show up at your rally, but don't freak out because we've got this kind of locked down.
00:29:36.000So, so this was a case where the Democrats were able to set up a procedure of cheating.
00:29:42.000And Republicans, even though they sort of anticipated it, did not exactly know where it was going to happen and were not able to bust it at the time itself.
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00:30:56.000Dinesh, why is the conservative media, some of it completely silent on 2,000 meals?
00:31:04.000Well, I think with Newsmax and with Fox, one possibility, and I'm only speculating here, is a legal jeopardy.
00:31:13.000Now, there is in fact no legal jeopardy because these networks are being sued by Dominion over their allegations or having aired allegations about machines switching votes and things like that.
00:31:27.000Now, as you know, there's none of that in this film.
00:31:30.000So, I almost feel like the lawyers who blew it the last time and are now in this extremely costly litigation are going to Fox and trying to cover their butts by saying, let's not touch this issue.
00:31:39.000Whereas, in fact, there's no reason that they can't cover this as a legitimate story.
00:31:44.000Again, no one is saying that they have to endorse it or embrace it.
00:31:47.000We're just saying it's really odd that when Dinesh is able to have a 10,000-word conversation with Philip Bump in the Washington Post all about the intricacies of 2,000 Mules, that somehow even the name can't be mentioned by any of the hosts on Fox News.
00:32:02.000Yeah, and so some, I mean, I just want to give a shout out to Salem, the Salem Media Group, for their courage for doing this film.
00:32:12.000It really tells me a lot about the company that Salem is, that they put their name behind this and that they've enthusiastically helped promote it.
00:32:19.000But some of the other objections here from Philip Bump, I mean, I could go through them here, Dinesh.
00:32:24.000For example, they say that there's a sweeping claim at the end that all ballots, these 2,000 mules submitted are for Biden, but none for Trump.
00:32:32.000There's no absolute, there's no way to know that, but they jump to that conclusion.
00:32:36.000Of course, we know that these are in heavily Democratic trafficked areas, so you can assume even 90 or 95% would skew Democrat.
00:32:45.000Yeah, I mean, one way to think about this is that imagine if there were an identical operation that was being organized on the other side.
00:32:54.000And so let's say, for example, Michael Moore made a film and he shows massive paid ballot trafficking and the mules are going to places like the NRA or the Heritage Foundation and collecting ballots.
00:33:08.000And that these ballots are being, and that when you look at the population of mules, you discover most of them belong to a handful of massive evangelical mega churches.
00:33:17.000I mean, would the Democrats have any doubt about saying, wait a minute, this is Republicans cheating?
00:33:21.000They're cheating to deliver Republican votes.
00:33:23.000It'd be obvious that that was the case.
00:33:25.000So here, when you look at the fact that these are Democratic areas, number two, these are far left-wing organizations serving as the so-called vote stash houses.
00:33:34.000And three, there's a considerable overlap between the mule population on the one hand and the kind of Antifa BLM riot population on the other.
00:33:43.000It's pretty obvious that this is a left-wing operation aimed at delivering votes for Joe Biden and the Democrats.
00:33:49.000So in closing, Dinesh, I believe this film is hitting a critical mass.
00:34:20.000I think the idea, this is a film that was made to draw attention to this really critical issue.
00:34:26.000And I was also careful, Charlie, if you notice that this is a film that although Trump, it vindicates Trump, Trump, as you know, is enthusiastic about the film, but Trump is not present in a whole lot of the film.
00:34:38.000In fact, out of 90 minutes, I would say probably less than two minutes features Trump himself.
00:34:43.000And contrast is, for example, Dave Bossi's film, which is about 45 minutes called Rigged, has a long interview with Trump.