The Charlie Kirk Show - December 06, 2020


A Global Game of Thrones with Lance Wallnau


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Lance Wildnow joins Charlie Kirk on the Charlie Kirk Show to talk about the crisis in Christianity and what the church should do about it. Charlie and Lance talk about why the church is not fighting for freedom and what we can do to fix it.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.
00:00:00.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk show, Lance Wildnow, we talk about how churches are not stepping up and fighting right now and what we can do about it and the crisis in Christianity.
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00:00:35.000 Lance Wildnow is here.
00:00:36.000 Buckle up.
00:00:37.000 Here we go.
00:00:40.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:42.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:00:44.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:00:47.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:00:50.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:00:51.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:00:52.000 His spirit is love of this country.
00:00:54.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:01.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:10.000 That's why we are here.
00:01:12.000 Hey, everybody.
00:01:13.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:15.000 Super thrilled to be joined by a friend of mine, Lance Wallnow, who is the author of many different books.
00:01:21.000 Build the wall now.
00:01:23.000 Yes.
00:01:24.000 So there's so many places we can start.
00:01:27.000 I just want to say that you are a brilliant mind.
00:01:29.000 You really understand what's going on in our country.
00:01:31.000 You're a Christian.
00:01:32.000 You're an American patriot.
00:01:33.000 Just kind of lead with what we were talking off air.
00:01:36.000 You were saying that there's a new religion that is seeping into this country, a civic leftist religion.
00:01:40.000 Let's start there and we can have fun.
00:01:43.000 Yeah, sure.
00:01:44.000 Because, you know, I think that the evangelical and perhaps even the pro-life community is realizing that as they were becoming awakened in Trump's populist movement, to what he represents, that there's actually another religion that they're running into.
00:01:59.000 And it's progressive fundamentalism. 0.58
00:02:02.000 And it's become, and we didn't realize it, but the entire Black Lives Matter Corporation thing, the kneeling and the sports events, this is all religious symbiology that is closing in on the traditional Christian world. 0.78
00:02:18.000 And we used to just like want a separation of church and state. 0.87
00:02:20.000 That's what we would always hear when we would start preaching.
00:02:23.000 We'd be told separation of church and state.
00:02:25.000 Well, the state has now separated itself from boundaries and is assimilating the church. 0.53
00:02:31.000 And the idea of separation of church and state, not even in our founding documents, written in a singular letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Convention, and also was an incorrect ruling by Hugo Black, a former KKK member.
00:02:46.000 Can you talk about how, if we are even to take that at face value, how about we keep the state out of the church?
00:02:52.000 Yeah, well, good point.
00:02:53.000 And, you know, what was really telling for me was if you remember the conversation with Donald Trump, it really was the breakout moment when Donald Trump met with the evangelical community up at a Marriott Hotel in New York.
00:03:04.000 It was fascinating to me that one of the first things that Donald Trump opened up with was repealing the Johnson Amendment so that you're free to be able to speak freely in your pulpits about whatever you want.
00:03:17.000 And what was amazing is he paused thinking there would be this thunderous applause, and there was none.
00:03:22.000 It was like in the old show Laugh In, where, you know, the joke was one person would applaud in the audience.
00:03:28.000 And I sat there stunned because he's taking in the fact that, oh, evidently that's the pastors don't want to have that responsibility to have an opinion.
00:03:36.000 They were hiding behind that theoretic separation issue.
00:03:40.000 So he moved on to, he moves on to, well, what about they're going to take away your guns?
00:03:45.000 Oh, now they're all applauding.
00:03:46.000 He said, oh, he makes a note.
00:03:48.000 Okay, this guns is important, but speaking from the pulpit is not.
00:03:51.000 We should have known right then we got a weakness in our own ranks.
00:03:55.000 We don't want to have opinions.
00:03:57.000 That is such a good point.
00:03:59.000 And I do have to say, I have had the blessing of getting to know some phenomenal pastors through this entire process, but they're very, they're very few of them.
00:04:08.000 Rob McCoy, Jack Hibbs, James Cadiz, Ken Graves.
00:04:13.000 You know, we're networking with them as best as we can. 1.00
00:04:16.000 But there's far too many Christians that are like, well, it's the Johnson Amendment. 1.00
00:04:20.000 Don't you understand? 0.61
00:04:20.000 Which, first of all, it's a misunderstanding of the Johnson Amendment. 0.61
00:04:23.000 You could still talk about civic affairs.
00:04:25.000 I mean, Jack Hibbs goes as far to show his congregation how to vote.
00:04:29.000 They fill out the ballots and he mails in the sermons to the IRS saying, take away my tax exempt status.
00:04:34.000 Pretty aggressive.
00:04:35.000 Rob McCoy does the same thing.
00:04:37.000 And nothing's happened to them yet.
00:04:39.000 Not to say anything that won't happen, but basically they're telling the world, we don't care.
00:04:43.000 It's not a priority to us to have some sort of charitable designation.
00:04:47.000 Oh, it is crazy.
00:04:48.000 So a friend of mine, Cheon, who is this vote?
00:04:52.000 Nutty, he's a great, great church.
00:04:53.000 And he's telling me, he says that in their church, that the members are under the threat of being fined if they go to the church.
00:05:02.000 Imagine this.
00:05:03.000 So what's happening there is like the canary in the coal mine.
00:05:08.000 And what's amazing to me is that more pastors in California wouldn't move in solidarity as one and begin to have services.
00:05:16.000 So you literally have the problem where the churches are willing to cooperate with the state and submit to the state instead of stand up.
00:05:25.000 It's just like the Reformation all over again, in search of a Martin Luther.
00:05:29.000 That's right.
00:05:30.000 And they submit under a sloppy and I think incorrect theological reading of Romans 13, where in Romans 13, it says submit to all people and rulers of authority.
00:05:40.000 What is not mentioned, though, is that in a constitutional republic, we're in charge.
00:05:44.000 We are the co-rulers.
00:05:45.000 We the citizens are.
00:05:46.000 And so a proper reading is that when our natural rights are violated, then the ruler should be submitting to us is the point.
00:05:54.000 They should be submitting to our will.
00:05:56.000 Precisely.
00:05:57.000 So now we're having this shocking new wave of awakening, a root awakening, maybe before a great awakening.
00:06:03.000 And what's happening is we're discovering the legislators who we say, oh, we've got Republican legislators.
00:06:09.000 Oh, I see how this works.
00:06:10.000 The election has to be certified.
00:06:13.000 And then we're finding the waffling weakness that's in Republican legislators because they have no knowledge that the evangelical pro-life people that are making up 35 to 40% of their constituency actually want them to stand up and represent them because we haven't let our voice be heard.
00:06:28.000 They're just discovering, oh, we exist locally as well.
00:06:33.000 That's exactly right.
00:06:34.000 And the thing that bothers me, there's so many directions I want to take this, but let's just stay focused on kind of the Christian kind of aspect of this are these pastors, in particular, people like Andy Stanley and John Piper and the guy from New York, Tim Keller, who have been so, they all have their different flavors of handling this.
00:06:54.000 John Piper went as far to say that he couldn't find a moral choice in this election.
00:06:59.000 And I can make an argument.
00:07:00.000 John Piper influenced some of these swing states.
00:07:03.000 I mean, we're talking about margins.
00:07:04.000 If there's no, we know there's fraud.
00:07:06.000 We know all this.
00:07:06.000 But even with that, let's pretend John Piper and Andy Stanley, who is where I am right now.
00:07:11.000 I'm in Georgia, Atlanta, Georgia.
00:07:14.000 Andy Stanley, the son of Charles Stanley, who says we should get rid of the Old Testament.
00:07:18.000 He brought a transgender person on stage at his church.
00:07:22.000 And then he said, I don't like cultural war Christianity.
00:07:23.000 We're keeping our church closed towards the spring.
00:07:27.000 He went out early.
00:07:28.000 I mean, he did it.
00:07:29.000 I watched the video.
00:07:31.000 This was like an early responder who said, hey, we're just going to suspend having church until next year.
00:07:38.000 And I thought, what the heck?
00:07:40.000 This is bold leadership, apostolic leadership for the church in the 21st century. 0.54
00:07:45.000 We're just going to shut down.
00:07:46.000 And I could see what they're thinking.
00:07:47.000 We're going to avoid the whole election process.
00:07:50.000 And we'll open up shop when things get sorted out.
00:07:53.000 Yeah.
00:07:53.000 And Andy still hasn't committed to when he'll reopen his church.
00:07:56.000 But imagine if Andy Stanley in Georgia, a state that as of the results are right now, if we're to accept all this nonsense and this fraud, continues, Trump did not win.
00:08:07.000 Why?
00:08:07.000 A small decline in evangelical support in northern Atlanta, in the Roswell-Alpharetta area.
00:08:13.000 Well, I wonder whose churches are up there.
00:08:15.000 I wonder who has an influence there.
00:08:17.000 People like Andy Stanley.
00:08:18.000 If they would have stood for life, if they would have stood for our country, if they would have stood for religious freedom and liberty.
00:08:23.000 But you bring up a great point, which is these pastors enjoy not being political.
00:08:27.000 They get to have bigger budgets, bigger buildings, more baptisms.
00:08:32.000 They get their unlimited tithes and offerings.
00:08:34.000 And actually, a lot of these pastors, they enjoy a closed church because they don't have to deal with all the people coming up to them.
00:08:40.000 They get to go give their pre-taped deal on Thursday morning, sleep in on the weekends.
00:08:46.000 They don't have to do any of the sort of kind of the what they call to be a little bit more of the grunt work of running a church, right?
00:08:52.000 You have to counsel people.
00:08:53.000 You have to put your arms around people.
00:08:54.000 They're kind of like, I can now kind of be a YouTube star.
00:08:57.000 And we were never called to have a YouTube channel as a church.
00:09:03.000 Epidemiologically, there's no reason for the church to be closed.
00:09:06.000 As a matter of fact, it violates one verse these guys ought to be on, which is neglect not the assembling of yourselves together.
00:09:14.000 The Christian community actually increases its power by its proximity to each other and gathering.
00:09:21.000 And it could be argued that as long as they could find Zoom and web alternatives and people continue to give their offerings, they now can actually pair back on staff, building expenses, and their cash flow positive with less work. 0.74
00:09:36.000 However, what they've done is they've forfeited their spiritual authority to lead the body of Christ.
00:09:41.000 And I think a backlash is going to come and they're all going to pay a price.
00:09:46.000 I sure hope so.
00:09:47.000 And it hasn't happened soon enough.
00:09:49.000 What bothers me, in addition to all that, is their apolitical nature as well.
00:09:54.000 A lot of them have, they've said that the church doesn't, should not get involved in politics, that it's dirty for the church to get involved in the civic arena.
00:10:03.000 And now you start to see the consequences of that.
00:10:06.000 And these pastors are going to have to be held accountable.
00:10:09.000 And I mean, some go ahead, please.
00:10:14.000 Yeah, so historically, you want to ask the question and say, so if you were alive during Lincoln's second election, which is probably the only thing I can think of that is like this Trump reelection, the nation, literally, its future, its cohesion will be determined by who's in the executive office.
00:10:31.000 Would they have said that it's wrong in the North to be involved with politics when politics involved the abolition of slavery?
00:10:41.000 To be congruent, they'd have to say, no, we would not be.
00:10:44.000 By the way, there's an interesting thesis I read, which was from a PhD project on what was preached during the Civil War.
00:10:50.000 In the South, pulpits preached about the tyranny of the North and the state's rights of churches not to be ruled by the federal government in Lincoln.
00:11:00.000 In the North, they preached about the abolition of slavery.
00:11:04.000 In the border states, they preached stay out of politics And focus on the kingdom of God, which tells you every one of these churches is a border state church.
00:11:15.000 They don't want to offend the people.
00:11:17.000 I mean, I'm telling you, I won't name any places, but I've been invited to some of these folks, and they'll tell me they always get nervous before they have me speak because they check me out a little more closely.
00:11:26.000 And then they find out how incendiary I am in my broadcast.
00:11:29.000 Me too.
00:11:29.000 And they caution me.
00:11:31.000 By the way, a lot of our people are really not, not everyone here is strong on Donald Trump.
00:11:36.000 So if you could tone it down, I'm thinking, what are you telling me right now?
00:11:40.000 You're telling me that you haven't been clear and congruent enough on the values issues, that your own people are aligned with how to vote values, that I can't even bring up Donald Trump, which by extension is the sanctity of marriage and the sanctity of life and the protection of your business and your right to protect.
00:11:57.000 You haven't actually convinced your people that those are issues.
00:12:01.000 They're telling me an awful lot when they get nervous when I come in.
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00:13:35.000 We were talking about how a lot of these churches have decided not to engage in the civic arena.
00:13:43.000 Some people say that it is not biblical.
00:13:46.000 Can you make the biblical argument for why churches should be involved in politics?
00:13:51.000 Yes, because the church is to be involved with all of life.
00:13:54.000 Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel.
00:13:57.000 Make disciples of nations, not just of people groups.
00:14:01.000 The church's mandate is actually to be a culture shaping influence.
00:14:07.000 And if the only thing that you can address is how to have success in life and peace with God so that you can go to heaven when you die, you're only preaching one part of the gospel.
00:14:18.000 If you had the apostolic generation, the centuries of martyrs, the reformers, listening to the definition of church by modern pastors, they would say it's an alien gospel.
00:14:30.000 They weren't burned alive because they weren't upsetting people.
00:14:34.000 They were burned alive and they were persecuted because they dared to take the message of the gospel into spheres that challenged the ruling elites of their day.
00:14:44.000 And so today you have the same compromise in the face of ruling elites, where we have a lack of courage and conviction regarding our obligation to actually be salt and light in media, in law, in journalism, in academia, in government, in courts.
00:15:00.000 Tell me an area where the gospel doesn't go, and I'll show you an area where the devil will go, and he will dictate terms so that the gospel gets shut down.
00:15:08.000 It's such a good point.
00:15:10.000 And I want to build out that even further because Jesus at Caesarea Philippi said, on this rock, build my.
00:15:19.000 And now the word we use is church, but there's a lot more nuance to that.
00:15:22.000 It was ecclesia, which when Tyndale actually translated the Bible from Koigne Greek to English, the first to really go onto that journey to do so.
00:15:35.000 There was actually people that said, wait a second, ecclesia?
00:15:38.000 That's something a lot different than just a hierarchy of a Catholic church that might be headquartered in Rome.
00:15:43.000 And there's a lot of Catholics that listen to my program.
00:15:45.000 And, you know, I totally respect them.
00:15:47.000 And this is not an anti-Catholic thing.
00:15:48.000 I just have a theological complete disagreement with them in the sense that an ecclesia was actually a political gathering.
00:15:56.000 It was a secular political gathering in Greece where they united around two Greek terms, eleutheria and isonomia, what are the Greek terms for freedom and equality.
00:16:05.000 It was kind of like a city council meeting.
00:16:07.000 That's what an ecclesia was, which is super interesting.
00:16:10.000 And I know I want to just finish this because he didn't use the Greek term for synagogue or temple.
00:16:16.000 He said ecclesia.
00:16:17.000 How are we supposed to interpret that?
00:16:18.000 Well, it's powerful.
00:16:19.000 I mean, first of all, think how radical Jesus was.
00:16:21.000 He uses a Greek term that actually was popularized by Alexander the Great.
00:16:26.000 And instead of referring to religious nomenclature, he said, I am calling out a people who are going to legislate on earth what heaven looks like.
00:16:35.000 And so the word ecclesia, curiously, not only describes the word for church, but its use in the book of Acts is used in a secular context.
00:16:44.000 When Paul's brought before a gathering in Ephesus and the rulers are there trying to determine what the problem is, the word used for the governing assembly in Acts that was dealing with Paul was the ecclesia.
00:16:58.000 So the word literally means the legislator.
00:17:02.000 And so is so when the church refused, so let's talk about the gates.
00:17:05.000 Jesus said, I will build my church and the gates of hell.
00:17:07.000 So about 20 years ago, I started, I came from a background in business, corporate business.
00:17:12.000 Then I thought that the most responsible thing a Christian should do is be full-time dedicated to the gospel.
00:17:17.000 So I began doing work in churches as a consultant to help churches grow.
00:17:22.000 And while I was doing that, I came across this ecclesia thing.
00:17:25.000 And I said, wait a second, the gates of hell that Jesus talked about are actually the gates of influence.
00:17:32.000 The gates of influence are located over the courts.
00:17:35.000 That's why the Supreme Court's a battle, over the presidency.
00:17:38.000 That's why the presidency is about over finance and corporations, over arts and entertainment.
00:17:44.000 And I began to see something.
00:17:46.000 There's seven domains that shape culture.
00:17:48.000 At the top of each of those verticals are an elites that actually occupy the seats of governing influence, legislating, agreeing, and creating culture in that domain.
00:18:00.000 If the church doesn't go up against those gates of hell, then those gates of hell get fortified against the church.
00:18:07.000 And that's exactly what's happening right now in America from media to Hollywood.
00:18:11.000 It's big Hollywood, big media.
00:18:12.000 Then I discovered Breitbart, Andrew Breitbart. 0.75
00:18:15.000 I'm going, oh my gosh, there's guys that are in the secular arena that see it more clearly than Christians.
00:18:20.000 Big Hollywood, big tech, big corporation, big academia. 0.94
00:18:25.000 These are where the gates are located.
00:18:27.000 And if we don't move towards them, they will be occupied against us.
00:18:32.000 One thing that Rob McCoy, my pastor, says, and I agree with him completely, we kind of coined this together. 0.67
00:18:39.000 While Christians were doing church the last 30 years, the left was doing ecclesia.
00:18:45.000 And that's the divide, right?
00:18:48.000 Is that we were, I mean, a great example of this, and we have to take a break momentarily, is Harris County.
00:18:54.000 Harris County is where Houston is, of course.
00:18:56.000 If you have the combined real estate value of the 10 biggest churches in Harris County, it's $1.6 billion.
00:19:05.000 $1.6 billion.
00:19:06.000 Now, what do they have to show for that?
00:19:08.000 A lot of baptisms.
00:19:09.000 I think that's great. 0.72
00:19:10.000 They have either a lesbian or a gay mayor now in Harris County.
00:19:14.000 It's one of the most quickest growing Democrat counties as far as from Republican to Democrat. 0.92
00:19:18.000 They are getting abortion on demand.
00:19:20.000 There's moves to legalize marijuana.
00:19:22.000 I walked the streets of Houston a couple months ago.
00:19:25.000 I thought I was in San Francisco.
00:19:26.000 So what did that $1.6 billion in buildings get you?
00:19:30.000 A decaying culture around them.
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00:20:40.000 Hey, everybody, welcome back.
00:20:41.000 Lance Walnut here.
00:20:42.000 We were talking about Harris County.
00:20:43.000 Any feedback you want to give on that?
00:20:46.000 Oh, yeah.
00:20:46.000 I mean, this is so real.
00:20:48.000 But it goes back to a point you're making for those folks that are believers out there.
00:20:53.000 But in the gospels, Mark's gospel says, go into all the world, like preach the gospel, and there'll be demonstrating of signs that will follow.
00:21:02.000 So there's your whole group.
00:21:04.000 I mean, believe me, there's hundreds of millions of charismatics and Pentecostals out there that just want to see a revival and they want to hear preaching.
00:21:11.000 Matthew's gospel, Jesus' same commission, go into all the world and teach.
00:21:17.000 And the word teach is used.
00:21:19.000 And what I'm saying now is we focus so much on preaching for revival in America that the left did the teaching and discipled America.
00:21:29.000 The America we were trying to preach to, they actually discipled and educated.
00:21:33.000 Now you've got 50 million youth coming through the academic system having been discipled by false teachers, would be what the Bible says.
00:21:41.000 And they're a weaponized people group that are moving on into culture and they move into all those elite positions because they just shuffle the deck from the university to corporate and to journalism, et cetera.
00:21:53.000 We have to change the way we see our engagement.
00:21:56.000 And if you can't see it in civic and political issues, you're absolutely irrelevant.
00:22:02.000 Jesus told us to make disciples, not converts of all nations.
00:22:06.000 Discipleship is hard.
00:22:07.000 Discipleship takes investment.
00:22:09.000 It takes explanation. 0.54
00:22:11.000 And one of the reasons why we are seeing young Christians become so liberal is because the skinny gene-wearing youth group pastor people that I am a outspoken critic of, they have gone out of their way to either be socially liberal or agnostic completely on these issues.
00:22:29.000 For example, a 14, 15, or 16-year-old will approach a youth group pastor at some of the biggest churches across the country and they'll say, hey, Pastor Jeff.
00:22:39.000 And this pastor, by the way, is probably 27 or 28.
00:22:41.000 He probably just graduated Calvin.
00:22:44.000 If he did, then he's probably a communist or one of the other Midwestern theological schools that teach our kids to hate the country while wrapping it in a nicely tied bow of the gospel.
00:22:54.000 It's a true story, by the way.
00:22:55.000 I'm not exaggerating.
00:22:56.000 And so, but then Pastor Jeff will tell the kid, he'll say, one of two things.
00:23:01.000 We don't get into that.
00:23:02.000 Or yeah, BLM Incorporated is a great group because we're supposed to love all people.
00:23:06.000 And so this 14, 15, and 16-year-old is being taught a false doctrine by their youth pastors.
00:23:12.000 Or if they don't get that answer, that, oh, we don't do that around here because they're under orders from an elder board or from a senior pastor to be apolitical.
00:23:20.000 Then all of a sudden, you know what that 14, 15, or 16 year old is going to do?
00:23:22.000 They're going to go find the answer somewhere else.
00:23:24.000 They're not going to stop asking the question.
00:23:26.000 They're not going to be like, oh, the church told me that we don't take it. 0.68
00:23:28.000 We don't take a stance on abortion, on marriage, on transgender, BLM Incorporated.
00:23:32.000 What these youth pastors don't realize is these kids are inundated politically now from the age of 12.
00:23:37.000 It's on Snapchat.
00:23:38.000 It's on TikTok.
00:23:38.000 It's on Facebook.
00:23:39.000 It's on Instagram, YouTube, pop culture, media, Hollywood.
00:23:43.000 Everything is now wrapped under the guise of climate change, environmentalism, racial justice, everything.
00:23:48.000 So a 13-year-old is going to ask the youth pastor, hey, I have a question.
00:23:52.000 So what do we think of BLM?
00:23:53.000 I'm confused.
00:23:55.000 And if the church doesn't have a satisfactory answer to that, then you're going to lose that kid for a lifetime.
00:23:59.000 They'll become atheists or secular humanists or kind of vanilla Christian.
00:24:04.000 Yeah, and you touched on the real issue.
00:24:07.000 That 27-year-old youth pastor is hired by somebody.
00:24:10.000 That's right.
00:24:11.000 And the criteria for success is not, are you transforming lives according to what the Bible teaches and the Word of God teaches?
00:24:18.000 The metric for success is how many are in your youth group.
00:24:22.000 And they're only reflecting the values of the elder board and the senior pastor, which is the metrics of success in the American church is how many people are attending, how big is your budget, how large is your staff, and how many square feet of buildings do you occupy?
00:24:36.000 To me, one of the singular signs that God is changing the way church is is when COVID hit, and I noticed that it hit everyone, including the churches.
00:24:46.000 And the churches were categorized, curiously enough, as entertainment because the world sees them as a center for entertainment and categorized them with theaters and public sport events.
00:24:58.000 That's how they see us because that's how we define ourselves.
00:25:03.000 And you can't disagree at that assessment.
00:25:06.000 No, you actually can't.
00:25:07.000 No, no, to your point.
00:25:08.000 If you've got this, if you're building a crowd with music and smoke machines, you're actually doing entertainment.
00:25:15.000 So the average Christian out there is confused.
00:25:20.000 The one that listens to our podcast.
00:25:21.000 I get thousands of emails, Lance.
00:25:23.000 No, they're not confused, hopefully, by what we're saying.
00:25:26.000 They're confused on a certain very specific thing because they grew up in a church that has now been revealed as cowardly or as complicit.
00:25:34.000 And they're wondering what they should do.
00:25:37.000 I'm of the opinion to leave the church and do it so biblically and do so lovingly, but make sure you communicate in private to the elder board and the pastor why you're leaving.
00:25:46.000 But I think people have to start voting with their feet.
00:25:49.000 Absolutely.
00:25:50.000 And I think that I always said Donald Trump was a wrecking ball to the spirit of political correctness.
00:25:55.000 I could see him wreck media so that now we know fake news.
00:25:59.000 Fake news is a global shorthand.
00:26:00.000 I mean, I travel around the world and people come up to me smiling and go, fake news.
00:26:04.000 They get it.
00:26:05.000 They actually know it's fake news.
00:26:07.000 So he's exposed the Hollywood values.
00:26:09.000 He's exposed journalism.
00:26:11.000 He's exposed the deep state in government.
00:26:14.000 And now I believe the wrecking ball is hitting the church. 0.99
00:26:17.000 And that wrecking ball is going to now, in a beautiful way, is going to break away those pastors and leaders who Isaiah would say are dumb dogs that have no bark, meaning the shepherd is supposed to warn you when the wolf is coming. 0.99
00:26:33.000 If the shepherd doesn't warn you, they're like the sheepdog that doesn't bark when a wolf is approaching. 0.98
00:26:39.000 We're going to begin to realize, and it's happening right now with these confused people and a lot of Christians, they're going to turn around and say, where has my church been on this? 0.91
00:26:47.000 Where is my leadership on this?
00:26:49.000 And it's going to put pressure on the leaders now because they're going to look at what?
00:26:53.000 Ties, finances, and membership.
00:26:55.000 The moment that the people start to gather, all they got to do is go back to the first century model, gather in the house with people that are genuine seekers of Jesus, invite the presence because an ecclesia isn't necessarily a thousand people.
00:27:08.000 An ecclesia is, in many cases, a small group with governing capacity and begin to come together and watch how quickly primitive Christianity grows when it's taken out of this corporate business model formula. 0.54
00:27:24.000 It's that's exactly right. 0.74
00:27:26.000 So you prophesied, is that the right term for it, that Donald Trump would win back in 16.
00:27:34.000 Did you as well in 2020?
00:27:36.000 Yeah, well, what I did was, so I did.
00:27:38.000 So I put literally, I walked in a book, like page 74 around here.
00:27:41.000 I said two things.
00:27:42.000 I said, every four years, we have an opportunity to redefine like an airplane.
00:27:49.000 We get to pull it back into the gate and define who do we want in the cockpit?
00:27:53.000 Who do we want running this plane?
00:27:55.000 We're on board.
00:27:56.000 We have to elect who's going to, and where are we going to?
00:27:59.000 That every four years. 0.96
00:28:00.000 And what I predicted was this election will be like Al-Qaeda with box cutters. 0.99
00:28:05.000 They will rush the aisle. 0.90
00:28:07.000 The microphone will get taken over by fake news and media.
00:28:10.000 And the cockpit will be loaded with radicals who are going to take you on a crash journey instead of where you thought you were going to go.
00:28:18.000 The important thing is to keep the plane at the gates till you get the box cutters and the terrorists out of the out of the pilot seat.
00:28:26.000 And that was the first thing I said.
00:28:27.000 The second thing I said was the election is going to go this way.
00:28:30.000 Donald Trump will have a landslide.
00:28:32.000 The landslide will be frozen in the news.
00:28:34.000 The news is going to shut down.
00:28:36.000 Ballots, I said it.
00:28:37.000 Ballots will be processed.
00:28:39.000 The process is you're going to wake up and discover that he isn't president.
00:28:42.000 Over the course of a couple of days, the states he won are going to be reversed.
00:28:46.000 And then we're going to end up in a crisis that will end up in courts having to make decisions regarding the illegality of what took place.
00:28:55.000 And that is going to be the future of America.
00:28:58.000 You called it.
00:29:01.000 And that's where we are now.
00:29:03.000 Yeah, nobody wants to have that prophecy, but that's it.
00:29:06.000 But to me, the issue is also it's much bigger than America. 0.70
00:29:09.000 For Christians, they don't get it. 1.00
00:29:10.000 This is a global game of thrones going on now. 1.00
00:29:13.000 The influence of other states.
00:29:15.000 You mentioned Victor Orbin in an earlier broadcast.
00:29:17.000 I think it's interesting that you're identifying certain nations, certain states, where the leaders are actually in alignment with Christian values, putting borders around the culture to preserve it from being invaded by progressive fundamentalism in Europe, as it's also spreading in Central America.
00:29:38.000 But in those cases where these guys are vilified, what I predicted was that Donald Trump would be likened to Cyrus.
00:29:44.000 And this, by the way, this is like 2005.
00:29:46.000 This is before he was elected.
00:29:48.000 I said he'll be called Cyrus.
00:29:50.000 Netanyahu comes to the White House and says, you know, 2,500 years ago, you know, we had Cyrus and you are like Cyrus because he moved the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
00:30:00.000 And then Netanyahu said again, you're Cyrus when he got the Golan Heights deal with Trump. 0.52
00:30:05.000 The point is, Cyrus rulers are secular rulers that God will raise up for praying Christians if the church will learn to work with them.
00:30:14.000 They can work to actually protect their nation so that it doesn't become assimilated by globalists.
00:30:21.000 And oddly enough, Jesus' final teaching, and nobody talks about it, when the Son of Man returns, he'll gather the nations before him and separate them as a shepherd separates sheep from goats. 0.64
00:30:32.000 To me, what we're looking at is goat cities, goat states determine goat nations. 0.88
00:30:37.000 And a goat nation is a nation that fundamentally is antagonistic to the Jewish people and Christians. 0.90
00:30:44.000 Because Jesus said a sheep nation or a goat nation is defined by how you treat my brethren. 0.93
00:30:51.000 And that would be the disciples of Jesus and the Jewish people.
00:30:54.000 So this is a much bigger game we're in than just revival and souls.
00:30:58.000 It's actually nation states.
00:31:02.000 And so you're of the theological interpretation.
00:31:05.000 That means that Jesus, in his return, will actually categorize, just split, judge nation by nation, not just people by people.
00:31:15.000 Absolutely, because in the Bible, nations are always judged in history, and souls are judged at the end of their life.
00:31:23.000 So all judgment with nations occurs.
00:31:26.000 That's why the Apostle Paul said, you know, in one of his, I guess it was in Athens, and he spoke to them and he said, God has determined the times and boundaries of nations that happily they may seek after him that they find him.
00:31:40.000 In other words, all of history is God defining nations and judging nations in their time.
00:31:47.000 And if they seek him, there is an extension of grace and peace.
00:31:51.000 There is an expansion of boundaries of prosperity.
00:31:54.000 If they do not seek him, then they become part of what we look back at as history.
00:31:59.000 And we can see the rise and fall of nations on this basis.
00:32:04.000 What should the Christians' posture at this time be?
00:32:06.000 What do you think the call to action is for Christians that feel like they're losing the country and with this election that's been put into chaos? 0.66
00:32:14.000 Well, the answer is this. 0.94
00:32:15.000 I am on too many of these annoying prayer calls because Christians' first nervous reflex is to conduct an intercessory gathering. 1.00
00:32:23.000 And so the other night I was on a prayer call. 1.00
00:32:25.000 I said, look, I was called on to pray.
00:32:26.000 I said, everyone else can pray.
00:32:28.000 Here's what I want you to do.
00:32:29.000 I want you to contact your legislator and I want you to tell them they don't have a political future if they don't stand up for inspecting the integrity of the voting process and respect your vote.
00:32:40.000 Let them know that they're not going to be getting your support as a legislator.
00:32:44.000 And especially if you're in those states, call your legislator, tell them where you live and put the heat on them.
00:32:50.000 We have to get practical.
00:32:52.000 Same thing is happening right now in Phoenix and in Georgia.
00:32:56.000 We have to attend the meetings that surround the expose of fraud.
00:33:02.000 We have to go.
00:33:03.000 And because Wilberforce put it this way, as a great Christian, if you want to overturn evil like slavery, the battle is a battle of public persuasion.
00:33:13.000 We have to be able to move the public mind in the direction of the truth.
00:33:19.000 And in this case, we have to have prayer without works is dead.
00:33:22.000 Faith without works is dead.
00:33:24.000 Nervous praying without corresponding civic action is impotent.
00:33:29.000 You're speaking my language.
00:33:31.000 Terrific.
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00:34:38.000 I love when you said that action is necessary. 1.00
00:34:42.000 A lot of Christians are actually apathetic. 0.57
00:34:45.000 I attribute this to a couple different things.
00:34:48.000 The first of which I think that some people hide because they have an excuse in their eschatology.
00:34:54.000 They think that the world is ending next Tuesday and they say the house is on fire.
00:34:58.000 Let's get the kids out.
00:35:00.000 And I say, well, why don't you put out the fire?
00:35:03.000 But instead, they use it as their excuse.
00:35:05.000 And look, every generation that the last couple of hundred years thought that Christ was returning in their lifetime.
00:35:12.000 And some people use that as an excuse.
00:35:14.000 The other people say that it's not biblical.
00:35:16.000 We've been through that.
00:35:18.000 And the final thing is some people are legitimately scared is they say, I don't want to lose my friends.
00:35:22.000 I don't want to compromise it.
00:35:24.000 So can you walk through that as people give reasons for their political inaction?
00:35:29.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:35:30.000 And fundamentally, you put your finger exactly on what it is.
00:35:34.000 We created in the United States in the era of our peace and prosperity, we moved from the gospel of the kingdom, which is what Jesus referred to some 70 times in the gospels, to the gospel of salvation. 0.71
00:35:48.000 We kind of shifted it around so that the goal of life was to become a Christian so you could go to heaven when you die.
00:35:54.000 And then between now and then, it's how to live a happy life using Bible principles. 0.84
00:36:00.000 With that false focus, and then what was worse was we had eschatology that would talk about the Antichrist of tribulation, but don't worry about it because you're going to be out of here. 0.95
00:36:10.000 So then we have a rapture theology that basically exonerates any Christian from suffering in our generation because by the time it gets bad, you won't be here. 0.90
00:36:19.000 So you double down on your fanatical withdrawal from culture to be as hyper-spiritual as you can be so you get to heaven when you die or don't miss that rapture. 0.91
00:36:27.000 Both of those are erroneous focuses for the church.
00:36:31.000 They're not even biblical.
00:36:32.000 And I believe, I could believe in a rapture, but I believe the rapture is for an overcoming church, not a church that is hiding out for fear of having to go through something.
00:36:41.000 So the proper courageous definition of Christianity is that we go into all the world as salt and light in the sphere that we're assigned to, and we're bringing the gospel of the kingdom.
00:36:54.000 And that means that it's not just salvation.
00:36:56.000 It's what would heaven look like if God was actually to materialize what it looks like on earth.
00:37:02.000 And it's practical.
00:37:03.000 It's not as mysterious as we think.
00:37:05.000 In Wilberforce's case, overturning the power of slavery in England meant that he had to mobilize public opinion by working with the Christians that were in arts and the Christians that were in legislation and the Christians that were in the pulpit to create a conscience in the culture.
00:37:22.000 What we have in America is the decay of conscience because gospel truth isn't preached.
00:37:27.000 And you won't have people convicted of sin if sin doesn't exist.
00:37:31.000 So if you continue to compromise on gender, on marriage, on life, on principles, you actually have no power to even speak to the heart and conscience of a man to let him know that he's not right.
00:37:44.000 So the church has to recover the primitive reality that there is a biblical worldview and that that biblical worldview doesn't mean that you win by being popular or likable.
00:37:54.000 Many times you win because you pierce the conscience.
00:37:59.000 And part of the hyper focus on eschatology came after the creation of the state of Israel.
00:38:06.000 Really, that's when a lot of the eschatological teachings increased.
00:38:10.000 My pastor is a Calvary pastor, so he's pre-trib, pre-millennial.
00:38:15.000 I'm pan-trib.
00:38:16.000 I think it's all going to pan out.
00:38:18.000 And my focus, again, I have some, it's one of my favorite stories to tell.
00:38:25.000 I'm not going to say these pastors' names, but they were arguing lovingly, but very intensely over pan-trib, post-trib and pre-trib and eschatology and Christ's return.
00:38:36.000 And I thought to myself, if only there was this much spirited debate over how we Christians could win school board races.
00:38:43.000 I mean, they're just going after each other.
00:38:45.000 And it's just kind of a coffee shop debate in some ways, right?
00:38:49.000 Because you kind of just list the scriptures that show both ways and there's arguments for both.
00:38:54.000 And then you have to wait which one has more.
00:38:56.000 And again, I'm not saying I'm not a theologian.
00:38:58.000 That's not what I do, right?
00:39:00.000 I just think that the heavy emphasis on it, though, has created a paralyzed church.
00:39:06.000 And you can only do that, how Lindsay's late great planet Earth really kicked it off.
00:39:10.000 You can only do that if you're in a culture that is so supremely insulated in peace and prosperity that you can focus on your end time theories. 0.76
00:39:19.000 Now that's changing because we kind of feel like a little bit more like Bonhoeffer watching Chancellor Hitler just got into office. 0.74
00:39:27.000 Those that are actually awakened realize that the world around them is becoming more dangerous, more menacing. 0.72
00:39:34.000 So that your happy escapism theology may have to shift into how do we build a firewall to preserve ourselves from the coming storm that is there. 0.77
00:39:44.000 And I believe most Christians are there and the churches aren't because, like I said, they built their audience off of a different message. 0.83
00:39:51.000 And the way that you build is the way you keep.
00:39:54.000 And so now you're going to see a groundswell of, I believe, an awakening is in our loins.
00:39:59.000 I would predict that the populist movement is going to produce a backlash from now and it'll be manifest in 2022.
00:40:08.000 And that the 35% or 40% of those voters that voted for Trump that are Christians, pro-life Catholics and evangelical Christians, they have an opportunity now to be a populist movement, rallies included, that are going to bring a fresh contrast between real biblical worldview and the collapse of culture and decay that's all around us.
00:40:32.000 I'd encourage you to look at 1948, which is when we went through our period of revival after the Second World War.
00:40:38.000 Look at what Billy Graham actually preached.
00:40:41.000 Because what Billy Graham preached in his first 20 years was rabid anti-communist, anti-atheism warnings about the destruction and judgment on America if America didn't repent.
00:40:54.000 What put people in Madison Square Garden wasn't what Billy Graham was preaching at the end of his life. 0.52
00:41:00.000 It was what he was preaching in the crisp, cold reality of the Soviet Union having a nuclear bomb. 0.66
00:41:06.000 And at any moment, when I grew up, I was doing drills going under my desk in case there was an atom bomb that went off in my neighborhood.
00:41:13.000 And so there was fear and this sense of anxiety, the Cuban Missile Crisis.
00:41:17.000 A lot of you guys that are younger don't realize that was the anxiety in which the revival that Billy Graham led took place.
00:41:25.000 And after we had success and security and peace, we went into this eschatological escapism and just focused on getting saved and building churches.
00:41:35.000 We're going back to 1948.
00:41:37.000 Yeah.
00:41:37.000 And you heard my podcast on civilizational and population collapse.
00:41:42.000 The numbers are stunning.
00:41:43.000 It's only going to be even more dramatic in the coming years.
00:41:49.000 And I'm afraid that we're going to have to suffer a lot more before that kind of revival is going to be received because we've had it really, really good for a long time.
00:42:02.000 Yeah, but I think that this message, as we see how culture becomes more aggressive against freedom of speech and freedom of worship and the right to assume, the more that the aggression gets targeted so that Christians feel that persecution, I think it's going to have the opposite effect in terms of what the culture expects.
00:42:22.000 It's going to actually cause those that are serious about their faith to remobilize and they will not mobilize around the failed leadership of churches that were asleep at the switch when the problem happened.
00:42:34.000 There's going to be new leaders arising, new awakening happening.
00:42:38.000 Young Awakeners, but Whitfield, Wesley, these Awakeners were in their 20s, Charlie.
00:42:41.000 They're in their 30s.
00:42:42.000 They were your age.
00:42:43.000 So I believe the future belongs to the bold and the bold can seize this populist backlash and can make it a moment when there is extraordinary pushback on the compromised Republicans and the dangerous left.
00:42:59.000 It's well said.
00:43:00.000 How can people support your books and get behind the work that you're doing?
00:43:03.000 I'll give him a free chapter.
00:43:04.000 What do we have?
00:43:05.000 We have lancewallnow.com forward slash thrones.
00:43:10.000 I want to give away a chapter in the book.
00:43:12.000 because I talk about the global game of thrones that's going on right now from China to the World Economic Forum in Europe and the globalist corporations in the United States that want to redefine America, destroy the middle class, bring America down into its proper global role like Obama wanted.
00:43:29.000 And I believe that the church needs to realize it's part of a global contest and our best days are going to start now.
00:43:37.000 Love it.
00:43:38.000 Well, God bless you, my friend.
00:43:39.000 I encourage everyone to check out that website and we have to have you on again soon.
00:43:42.000 Thank you so much.
00:43:43.000 Thank you, Charlie.
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