The Charlie Kirk Show - May 17, 2024


A Hung Trump Jury?


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Trump's lawyer, Todd Blanche, is called out for being a liar in the cross-examination of Michael Cohen. This was an aha moment that changed the trajectory of the case, and the entire political commentary world.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:02.000 We break down the disastrous, the shocking, the aha moment that spun the political commentary world on its head yesterday when Michael Cohen was called out for the liar that he is in the cross-examination at the Trump Hush Money Trial, as they call it, in New York.
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00:03:09.000 Yesterday was terrible for Michael Cohen.
00:03:13.000 Absolutely disastrous.
00:03:16.000 The Daily Mail, I think, summed it up the best.
00:03:19.000 Michael Cohen is torn to shreds by Trump's attorneys in blistering cross-examination over Stormy Daniels' hush money payments.
00:03:30.000 This is a train wreck.
00:03:32.000 This was an aha moment.
00:03:35.000 And I just love the way that the Daily Mail, Rob Cruley over the Daily Mail, puts it.
00:03:41.000 It said, it created an aha moment just as the case barrels towards its conclusion, the sort of pin drop shock common to courtroom TV dramas, but rare in real life.
00:03:57.000 So what exactly happened?
00:04:01.000 The lead up to this was pretty remarkable.
00:04:05.000 So you have to remember on direct, Cohen was very rehearsed.
00:04:10.000 We even have, you know, rep Dan Goldman saying he rehearsed with him.
00:04:14.000 I'm assuming he spent hours and hours and hours with the prosecution.
00:04:20.000 Everything he said seemed rote.
00:04:22.000 It seemed rehearsed.
00:04:23.000 It seemed canned.
00:04:25.000 And then on day one of cross-examination, I heard from some reporters in the room, a little underwhelming.
00:04:31.000 Now, some of the Trump criticisms of his lawyers, Todd Blanche specifically, is that he hasn't been aggressive enough.
00:04:38.000 So I'm sure they went to a room, they put together their plan, and man, did they execute it.
00:04:43.000 Rarely will you ever see such broad sweeping agreement that something went so well for Donald Trump.
00:04:52.000 And we're talking from CNN.
00:04:54.000 We're talking to MSNBC.
00:04:56.000 MSNBC called it a moment of real triumph for the Trump team.
00:05:00.000 Anderson Cooper looked shocked.
00:05:02.000 As a matter of fact, let's go ahead and play that clip because, you know, it was a shocking moment.
00:05:09.000 I'm going to pull that clip up in just one second.
00:05:12.000 This was a real moment where the case really could hinge.
00:05:18.000 It could be determined on this one moment.
00:05:21.000 And I'm going to get through exactly, but I want to play this Anderson Cooper clip here.
00:05:25.000 186. 0.54
00:05:26.000 Let's go ahead and play 186.
00:05:28.000 You know, on a cross-examination, lawyers want to kind of put the witness in a, you know, build a box around the witness and then slam it shut.
00:05:37.000 And that's what Todd Blanche did to Michael Cohen.
00:05:40.000 It was an extraordinary cross-examination by Todd Blanche.
00:05:43.000 And, you know, Michael Cohen's, throughout the day, Michael Cohen, when cornered, when he found himself in a corner, he does have a pattern of suddenly not understanding the question that's being asked or seemingly kind of, I mean, one could say buying time to try to figure out how he wants to answer.
00:06:01.000 Michael Cohen was cornered in what appeared to be a lie, I think, to many in the room.
00:06:10.000 So caught in a lie.
00:06:12.000 What is the lie?
00:06:13.000 Michael Cohen said that he, three days earlier, he had testified that he had made a phone call to Trump confirming that the payment to Stormy Daniels had been made.
00:06:23.000 It was very, very, like I said, rehearsed.
00:06:26.000 So he looked confident.
00:06:27.000 He looked like it was a really bad day for the Trump campaign.
00:06:32.000 But it turns out Todd Blanche brings out the records and said, you're lying.
00:06:38.000 He said, it was actually about a 14-year-old crank caller, and you called Trump's security guard to get advice on how to deal with this kid, a 14-year-old. 0.99
00:06:49.000 So not only are you a scumbag that is a convicted liar, you're not only a scumbag that records your clients, in this case, Donald Trump, this bombshell recording that didn't actually do anything. 0.99
00:07:02.000 It wasn't bombshell at all. 1.00
00:07:04.000 But you're a scumbag who's going after a 14-year-old crank caller. 1.00
00:07:08.000 It was a really powerful moment. 1.00
00:07:10.000 And why?
00:07:10.000 So if you were in the courtroom, and so yesterday I saw this tweet from Eric Trump and just said, wow, with a bunch of fire emojis.
00:07:17.000 And so I was with the team.
00:07:18.000 I was like, what is this about?
00:07:19.000 What is this about?
00:07:20.000 Well, turns out Eric Trump was sitting there and saw the moment.
00:07:25.000 And it's almost hard to, I think, put into words.
00:07:28.000 I spoke to some of the people that were inside the courtroom yesterday, and they said, and I think Anderson Cooper alluded to that.
00:07:35.000 He kind of does this.
00:07:37.000 Cohen does this thing where he tries to buy time and give himself a little space to kind of come up with his answer.
00:07:44.000 It was so telling based on his body language and his reaction when Blanche cornered him with this, when he shut the door on him, that you could just feel the air go out of the room.
00:07:56.000 Everybody said it was electric. 0.94
00:07:58.000 It was so clear that Cohen, the famed perjurer and convicted liar, got caught with another one.
00:08:06.000 So, what does this mean for the rest of the trial?
00:08:10.000 So, are any of the other things that Michael Cohen has alluded to and alleged in this trial is that going to hold up?
00:08:18.000 Well, I don't necessarily think so.
00:08:20.000 Play cut 190.
00:08:22.000 Okay, Randy, thank you for waiting.
00:08:23.000 Your turn now.
00:08:24.000 Recoverable for the prosecution?
00:08:28.000 No.
00:08:29.000 Can I stop there or do you want me to keep going?
00:08:32.000 You can elaborate.
00:08:33.000 He had one job to do, and he couldn't do it on something so simple.
00:08:37.000 Tell us about a conversation.
00:08:38.000 And the worst part of it is on direct, he sounded so convincing.
00:08:42.000 He sounded so smooth, so good.
00:08:44.000 It was such a good day for the prosecution.
00:08:46.000 Describes a conversation and then completely shoots the pooch where it looks like that conversation absolutely, actually never happened.
00:08:56.000 Done.
00:08:57.000 Done.
00:08:58.000 This is CNN, folks.
00:09:00.000 This is CNN.
00:09:02.000 Let's play another one.
00:09:03.000 Let's go to MSNBC.
00:09:04.000 A moment of real triumph for the Trump team, 200.
00:09:09.000 So about an hour ago, Katie Turr came out and we were asking about sort of the mood and the tenor.
00:09:14.000 And she said it was calm, quiet, almost serene.
00:09:17.000 And I said, you know, we're kind of looking for that John Grisham moment.
00:09:21.000 And she said, we have not had that.
00:09:23.000 And she texted me just five minutes ago, maybe, and she said, We just had your Grisham moment.
00:09:30.000 I'm eating my hat.
00:09:32.000 This is a moment of real triumph for Todd Blanche.
00:09:35.000 You could even hear it in his voice.
00:09:37.000 He is not a person to get excitable very easily.
00:09:40.000 Not excitable really easy.
00:09:42.000 And again, this has been a point of contention with President Trump. 0.89
00:09:45.000 Trump likes his lawyers like attack dogs. 0.97
00:09:49.000 So this prankster, this prank caller, this crank caller, 14-year-old. 0.98
00:09:54.000 This guy had been harassing Cohen, apparently, this 14-year-old, right?
00:09:58.000 Right in that October 2016 time period.
00:10:02.000 And on one occasion, he forgot to hide their caller ID.
00:10:06.000 So Cohen told him that he would have to explain themselves to the Secret Service, being a tough guy.
00:10:12.000 The caller responded by saying he was only 14 years old.
00:10:15.000 Cohen then messaged Trump's bodyman, Keith Schiller, shortly before 8 p.m. on October 24th to ask who he could talk to about the prankster and how to handle the matter, according to the messages read aloud in court.
00:10:29.000 Kollog showed that Cohen made a call at 8.02 that lasted only 96 seconds, which means he could not have been calling about Daniels and the crank caller.
00:10:42.000 So that's what Blanche said.
00:10:44.000 That was a lie because you were actually talking to Mr. Schiller about you were getting harassing calls from a 14-year-old, he said in the most dramatic of the moment of the case so far.
00:10:53.000 Cohen, who has adopted a meek hangdog air throughout, protested.
00:10:57.000 He said Daniel's update was only brief.
00:11:00.000 And Todd Blanche goes, That is a lie.
00:11:03.000 You can admit it.
00:11:05.000 And that's the moment.
00:11:06.000 I think the transcript doesn't read as dramatic as that moment, again, in the courtroom when the air went out of the room for Michael Cohen and the prosecution.
00:11:14.000 It was an absolute train wreck, that Grisham moment, as MSNBC put it.
00:11:20.000 So here's why this is important.
00:11:22.000 We all know this case is a sham.
00:11:24.000 But again, normal people in Main Street America need to get it through their heads.
00:11:30.000 And so when you have this many people saying the same thing that Michael Cohen's a liar and he got caught out in court, that starts to filter on down.
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00:12:43.000 They say, do you know why you were reaching out to Mr. Schiller in the evening of October 24th, 2016?
00:12:49.000 Yes.
00:12:50.000 Why?
00:12:50.000 Because I needed to speak to Mr. Trump and I knew that Keith Schiller was with him.
00:12:54.000 Why did you need to speak to Mr. Trump at that point to discuss Stormy Daniels?
00:12:59.000 Why did you call him to discuss Stormy Daniels?
00:13:01.000 Today, at a minimum, he called Schiller in order to discuss the 14-year-old.
00:13:07.000 Within 30 seconds of the phone call ending, he then, Michael Cohen texts Schiller the phone number for the 14-year-old.
00:13:17.000 The phone call was about the 14-year-old at a minimum.
00:13:19.000 Right.
00:13:20.000 I mean, there was an immediate follow-up on that topic.
00:13:23.000 So to answer the question, why did you call Schiller, answer, because of a 14-year-old? 0.57
00:13:29.000 So Michael Cohen, the convicted perjurer, is getting outed for the rat that he is, which begs the question, why?
00:13:41.000 Why would they, why would the prosecution, why would this Democrat lawfare assault put so much weight onto somebody like Cohen? 0.79
00:13:51.000 Everybody described Michael Cohen as their star witness.
00:13:55.000 The star witness.
00:13:57.000 Well, John Yu, who's been on this show, asked that same question, Play Cut 198.
00:14:04.000 So I think if you're Trump, you leave them with this message at the end of the Cohen trial, at the end of Cohen's testimony, which is, did we cross the Rubicon?
00:14:13.000 Did we go after a former president for the first time in the history of this republic in 235 years for this guy, for this kind of witness, for these kinds of charges?
00:14:25.000 The other thing I would say is you could, I think there's a good chance that this judge would have to dismiss these charges as not proven even before you put on a defense.
00:14:35.000 Now, I think that's a little bit wishful thinking.
00:14:38.000 You would assume you're dealing with a judge that would be nonpartisan, unbiased.
00:14:44.000 I don't think that's what we're dealing with, unfortunately, in New York.
00:14:48.000 But let's just look at this.
00:14:50.000 So, you know, yesterday was a very important day for this trial.
00:14:55.000 And why is it an important day?
00:14:57.000 It's an important day for the country.
00:14:59.000 Because at some level, this case is about more than whether or not one political party in this country can summon a bunch of jurors and can summon a bunch of prosecutors and judges and get them to try and throw the leading candidate for president into jail.
00:15:19.000 It's about more than that, because that's obviously what they wanted to do.
00:15:22.000 They wanted to take him off the chessboard.
00:15:26.000 It's about the character of this country.
00:15:29.000 It's about how much virtue is left in the population that makes up the citizenry of this great country.
00:15:36.000 Are we going to fall for it?
00:15:39.000 Are we going to accept these assaults on our republic?
00:15:45.000 Is it going to affect polling?
00:15:47.000 Are people going to say, you know what? 0.98
00:15:49.000 Yeah, he's a convicted criminal, a convicted felon, Donald Trump.
00:15:55.000 Or is the American, is the American people, are they strong enough to look at this? 0.81
00:16:02.000 Are they wise enough?
00:16:03.000 Do they have enough virtue left in them to look at this as the blatant assault on our democracy and our rules and norms and traditions that it is and reject the party that is perpetrating these assaults on our republic?
00:16:18.000 That is a really important question that is still an open question.
00:16:23.000 But as these clips come out, as you see it from top to bottom, from Fox, CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, New York Times, everybody saying the same thing, that this was a big bombshell moment for the defense, for the Trump campaign.
00:16:42.000 That is going to help get the normies, the people that aren't paying such close attention, invested in the outcome of this case in a way that they need to be.
00:16:52.000 And we have a real shot.
00:16:53.000 This is an existential threat to our republic and to the future of this country.
00:16:57.000 The next five months are critically important because we're asking a question: will we be taken hostage by a movement that seeks to destroy the foundations of the country or will we fight back?
00:17:10.000 Will we be smart enough, wise enough, good enough?
00:17:14.000 And in the words of John Yu, did we really cross the Rubicon for this guy?
00:17:18.000 Look at this.
00:17:19.000 The defense is showing in court.
00:17:22.000 In one podcast statement, Cohen says, I truly effing hope that this man ends up in prison.
00:17:28.000 And he said that about Trump.
00:17:30.000 In another clip that they showed to the jury, Michael Clohen makes clear that he would enjoy Trump's downfall.
00:17:37.000 It won't bring back the year that I lost or the damage done to my family, but revenge is a dish best served cold.
00:17:45.000 Cohen could be heard to say, You better believe that I want this man to go down.
00:17:51.000 Consider what they did. 0.99
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00:19:02.000 Kurt Schlichter, who's a senior columnist for townhall.com, as well as a brilliant legal mind and a talented lawyer in his own right.
00:19:10.000 Kurt, welcome to the show.
00:19:12.000 Hey, thanks for having me.
00:19:16.000 Kurt, so you've had, I'm assuming, a little time to digest the Cohen train wreck yesterday on Cross by Todd Blanche.
00:19:25.000 Just sum it up for us.
00:19:27.000 You are a lawyer.
00:19:29.000 I am not.
00:19:29.000 Tell us how bad was that moment?
00:19:33.000 And really, there were multiple moments, but how bad was yesterday?
00:19:37.000 Well, let's explain first what's going on.
00:19:40.000 Cross-examination.
00:19:45.000 The ability to take a witness and to pick apart his, her, or their story and test whether it's true or false or a little of both.
00:20:00.000 And this is something that is hundreds and hundreds of years old.
00:20:06.000 If you've ever seen A Man for All Seasons, the movie about Thomas Moore, where he cross-examines Richard Rich, the guy who's lying about him, you know, trying to get him executed, up to, you know, Al Pacino and Justice for all and all those.
00:20:26.000 And of course, you can't handle the truth.
00:20:29.000 Cross-examination is just, it is central to the truth discovery purpose of our justice system.
00:20:36.000 And I got to tell you, when you are doing a cross, and I'm a trial lawyer, I do trials about 30 years.
00:20:46.000 There are few things as much fun as a good cross with your clothes on.
00:20:55.000 So now, when you look, first of all, it is a whole trial is a scam in a disparate, but it is an utter disgrace that an agency of any level of an American government, this time the state of New York, would bring in a witness who is a known perjurer, a known liar, a convicted perjurer.
00:21:20.000 I mean, the guy's a convict, and put him up as their key witness against a guy 50% or so of Americans want to see as their next president.
00:21:29.000 I mean, just to disrupt.
00:21:32.000 But, you know, the cross-examination of Michael Cohen, let's just say it's not one of the most technically difficult ones out there. 0.98
00:21:46.000 He's a liar. 1.00
00:21:47.000 He's a scammer. 1.00
00:21:50.000 What they're trying to do is establish to the jury.
00:21:53.000 And look, I think the jury is probably going to convict him because they're all hopelessly biased.
00:21:59.000 So they're not really speaking to the jury.
00:22:01.000 They're speaking to America.
00:22:03.000 And when they get, when Talk Lance gets up and just begins boxing in Cohen, and you can just see him setting it up.
00:22:15.000 Mr. Cohen, don't you agree with this?
00:22:17.000 Isn't this true?
00:22:19.000 Let's go through your personal resume of crimes and lies.
00:22:23.000 He's just saying, and he's tightening it so Cohen can't shift out of it.
00:22:29.000 And eventually, you know, the most famous exchange, of course, was the 14-year-old prank baller call where Cohen said, well, I called Trump and Trump agreed to this giant Stormy Daniels conspiracy, which isn't a conspiracy and isn't against the law, but let's put that aside.
00:22:51.000 A 96-second call, and Blanche was able to get him to, you know, recommit to, yeah, that was all about Trump.
00:23:01.000 And then he starts dropping in other evidence like text that show is really about a 14-year-old prank caller.
00:23:10.000 And, you know, when that's going on, the room gets quiet.
00:23:16.000 When you're doing the cross, there's nothing but you and the guy on the stand that you're literally eviscerating.
00:23:26.000 The key to a great cross is to know all your facts and have them at hand.
00:23:31.000 If you have to put up an exhibit, you need to have your second chair, a junior lawyer, paralegal, whatever, ready and totally coordinated with you.
00:23:42.000 Put up exhibit X.
00:23:45.000 Now, Mr. Uh, Mr. Witness, that's your signature on Exhibit X. Exhibit X says it was Tuesday when this happened.
00:23:53.000 Your testimony was it was Wednesday.
00:23:56.000 Which one is the lie?
00:23:58.000 Or are they both lies?
00:24:00.000 You know, and it's a beautiful thing because it's very hard to get a good cross over someone who's not lying.
00:24:11.000 Now, you can bring out good facts, but you don't completely devastate their credibility if there's not.
00:24:20.000 It's very hard to turn someone who's not lying into a liar.
00:24:25.000 Was this devastating?
00:24:26.000 Was this completely devastating?
00:24:28.000 I mean, does this how bad is the scale one to 10?
00:24:32.000 In a real case, a legal case, which this is not, it's Nagasaki times Biroshima.
00:24:41.000 You know, times be a Star Wars sequel in the level of disaster.
00:24:48.000 I mean, it's, I, but this isn't a normal case, and he's not really talking to the jury.
00:24:56.000 Now, there's a small chance he might get somebody to hang.
00:24:59.000 Uh, there's no chance they'll get an acquittal in my opinion.
00:25:02.000 Okay, well, I've been wrong before, but what he's really doing is he's cross-examining for America to say, this is what the Democrats have put up.
00:25:11.000 This is the lie.
00:25:13.000 And I think in that context, it's absolutely devastating.
00:25:19.000 So I just got to pause for one second.
00:25:22.000 So it's like Jar Jar Binks bad.
00:25:23.000 Like, that's how bad this was.
00:25:26.000 Only five-year-olds like it, basically. 1.00
00:25:30.000 Let me put it this way: Jar Jar Binks would go, you so suck. 1.00
00:25:35.000 We went there. 0.99
00:25:36.000 We did it.
00:25:37.000 We did.
00:25:38.000 I will tell you.
00:25:40.000 I will tell you, there is one juror, and I actually had this conversation a couple of times yesterday and the day before with various people that are actually inside the courtroom.
00:25:48.000 One journalist in particular I was speaking with said he can figure out who the true social guy is.
00:25:56.000 So there's one juror that gets their news from True Social, which obviously is Trump's social media network.
00:26:02.000 And he says he can pick them out.
00:26:04.000 He's 90% sure he knows which one.
00:26:07.000 And there's one that gets their mail from the Daily Mail.
00:26:09.000 Reading the jury tea leaves is a classic thing.
00:26:14.000 You know, it's this break for lunch.
00:26:16.000 What did juror number six do?
00:26:18.000 Well, he was kind of looking at the ceiling during your examination and the doctor.
00:26:23.000 No, God, now he's not engaged.
00:26:26.000 How about juror number four?
00:26:27.000 Well, you know, she's got two kids in the army. 1.00
00:26:31.000 You know, she cooks for a living.
00:26:32.000 She seems very interested.
00:26:34.000 Maybe she'll be a good conservative juror.
00:26:37.000 I don't know.
00:26:38.000 Yeah, Abby, we do that all the time.
00:26:40.000 And I don't know.
00:26:42.000 And, you know, sometimes you're right and sometimes you're wrong.
00:26:45.000 But I'll tell you, I've had experiences in a case, and fortunately it wasn't me in this one.
00:26:52.000 I had a juror burst into laughter at my opponent.
00:26:58.000 You know, when he said, I mean, burst into laughter and you're just like, oh, God.
00:27:02.000 You know, but I've had jurors roll their eye.
00:27:07.000 You know, I had a juror look at me on one of the few cases I did not prevail in, and he just shook his head.
00:27:14.000 And I was like, okay, well, I'm done.
00:27:17.000 I remember my first trial, I was the second chair, very junior lawyer, and we thought we were going to do well.
00:27:24.000 And a very pretty juror who'd been kind of smiling at me throughout because I was, you know, younger than, she wouldn't meet my gaze.
00:27:34.000 And my boss said, yep, we've lied.
00:27:38.000 And we did lose.
00:27:40.000 We won on appeal.
00:27:41.000 But, you know, trying to read juries is, you know, that's what lawyers do.
00:27:48.000 That's just a thing.
00:27:49.000 But again, I mean, this isn't a real legal case like other ones, because if it wasn't Donald Trump, if it was Donald Trump, A, the case never would have been filed.
00:28:03.000 And B, the jurors would be sitting there going, why are we here?
00:28:06.000 Correct.
00:28:07.000 So, Karen, you make a good point.
00:28:09.000 And I think it is the bigger point.
00:28:11.000 I made this point earlier in the hour as well.
00:28:12.000 This is actually a case for the American public.
00:28:15.000 I think the bigger question with all of this lawfare assault on Donald Trump is, are we a nation that can see a brazen politicization of our institutions and reject it?
00:28:26.000 Or will the party that is doing the lawfare attack, will they be rewarded for it, right?
00:28:33.000 So I actually think this is a larger existential civilizational defining question.
00:28:38.000 These are a civilizational defining five months.
00:28:42.000 But just let's play out the scenarios.
00:28:45.000 If I'm right, which, you know, I'm going to take, I'm going to get a bet with somebody on this.
00:28:50.000 I think this is going to be a hung jury.
00:28:52.000 What would that mean to the Democrats' lawfare assault on Donald Trump if the one jurisdiction in which they just have a completely stacked deck, New York City, well, and DC, if they are not able to be successful in attaching convicted felon to the front of Donald Trump's intro?
00:29:12.000 Look, I'm trying to be objective and objectively, it is devastating for the Democrats if they get a hunger.
00:29:20.000 Just devastating.
00:29:20.000 If he gets acquitted, I mean, holy cow, but I don't think it's bad.
00:29:25.000 But if he gets a hung jury, yeah, it's devastating because Donald Trump's going to walk out and say, yeah, you know, they brought out this perjurer and a bunch of Democrats on the jury believed it.
00:29:37.000 Because you know, the jurors, the activists, the lonely wine women of the jury, horrible liberal wine women, are immediately going to go on MSNBC and be interviewed about this.
00:29:51.000 We're going to know exactly who they are, right?
00:29:55.000 Well, there are two lawyers on the jury.
00:29:57.000 There's two lawyers on the jury.
00:29:59.000 You've got a daily mail reader.
00:30:00.000 You've got a truth social.
00:30:02.000 I'm telling you, and I don't think they're sequestered, by the way.
00:30:05.000 They're seeing that the clips from yesterday were, I played a lot of them already.
00:30:10.000 They're calling this a moment of triumph.
00:30:11.000 They're calling it an absolute shredding of Michael Cohen on the stand.
00:30:16.000 Well, when you look at the syndrome is strong, but go ahead.
00:30:20.000 Well, look, Anderson Cooper and Eli Honey, who are no friends of Trump and who I don't agree with very often, they were just, you know, essentially shell-shocked at how bad Cohen was.
00:30:32.000 Now, I wasn't fitting in the courtroom.
00:30:34.000 I'll take their word for it.
00:30:37.000 He must have done badly.
00:30:40.000 Don't put too much hope in the lawyers, okay?
00:30:43.000 After being a lawyer for 30 years.
00:30:46.000 You know, I mean, remember, look, every case I'm in, I disagree completely with the other lawyer.
00:30:53.000 So if some lawyer comes and says, well, lawyers agree, lawyers don't agree.
00:30:57.000 If we all agree, we'd be driving, you know, Yugos.
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00:32:07.000 Kurt, okay.
00:32:08.000 I have a very complex set of emotions behind this clip.
00:32:13.000 Well, it's a series of clips.
00:32:14.000 I don't know how many we're going to get to here.
00:32:16.000 So, for our audience's sake, MTG basically, you know, tells rep Crockett, who's a real piece of work, that she's obviously not able to read what's in front of her because, and they were arguing about Mary Garland because she has fake eyelashes.
00:32:33.000 And then all hell breaks loose.
00:32:35.000 Then AOC gets involved, starts calling her baby girl.
00:32:39.000 And MTG tells AOC she isn't that intelligent.
00:32:42.000 That's why she won't debate her.
00:32:44.000 I mean, this thing, on the one hand, I love MTG for the fight she has.
00:32:49.000 She sometimes, I sometimes hold back some of my other feelings, but I really do appreciate MTG's kind of spunkiness here.
00:32:58.000 But is this really what it's come to, Kurt?
00:33:01.000 Is this really what the People's House, the House?
00:33:04.000 I mean, listen, we've got nothing on the UK.
00:33:06.000 I get it.
00:33:07.000 But okay, let me just play the clip.
00:33:10.000 Then I'm going to get your reaction.
00:33:11.000 And there's a series of clips.
00:33:12.000 It's a long exchange.
00:33:13.000 192.
00:33:14.000 I'd like to know if any of the Democrats on this committee are employing Judge Murshan's daughter. 0.99
00:33:21.000 Is she a porn star? 0.99
00:33:22.000 Do you know what we're here for? 0.99
00:33:24.000 You know we're here.
00:33:26.000 I don't think you know what you're here for.
00:33:28.000 Well, you don't want to talk about it.
00:33:30.000 I think your fake eyelashes are messing up.
00:33:32.000 No, I mean, nothing.
00:33:32.000 Hold on, hold on.
00:33:34.000 Order, Mr. Chairman.
00:33:36.000 That's beneath even more order of your committee.
00:33:42.000 Okay, Kurt, your first reaction.
00:33:47.000 My first reaction is always: what are the rules?
00:33:50.000 You know, is this a solemn place of decorum and respect?
00:33:56.000 Because I haven't seen that from Frockett or Ocasio-Cortez.
00:34:02.000 Now I'm supposed to expect it from NPG.
00:34:04.000 Now, I know what I prefer.
00:34:06.000 I prefer, you know, the founding fathers deliberating about great issues of national importance, of natural law, and the place of man and God in government.
00:34:20.000 But that's not what we've got, Andrew.
00:34:23.000 What we've got is essentially, I don't know, it looked like a cat fight to me.
00:34:30.000 You know, I when everybody agrees that we want to change the rules back, then I'm all for it.
00:34:41.000 Until then, you know, if people want to get into brawls, that's fine.
00:34:49.000 All right, Kurt, we got to keep playing the clips.
00:34:52.000 It's mandatory.
00:34:53.000 193.
00:34:54.000 I do have a point of order, and I would like to move to take down Miss Green's words.
00:35:00.000 That is absolutely unacceptable.
00:35:02.000 How dare you?
00:35:06.000 Are your feelings hurt?
00:35:07.000 Her words down.
00:35:08.000 Oh, oh, girl, baby girl.
00:35:11.000 Oh, really?
00:35:12.000 Don't even play, baby, girl. 1.00
00:35:15.000 We are going to move and we're going to take your words down.
00:35:17.000 I second that motion. 0.61
00:35:18.000 Ms. Green agrees to strike her words.
00:35:20.000 I believe she apologizes.
00:35:22.000 No, no, no, no.
00:35:23.000 Hold on.
00:35:24.000 I'm not apologizing.
00:35:25.000 Well, then they reserve the right to do it.
00:35:27.000 I am not apologizing.
00:35:29.000 Why don't you debate me?
00:35:31.000 Okay, Kurt.
00:35:32.000 Then I'm just going to get to the end here. 0.70
00:35:35.000 This is Congressman Jasmine Crockett ends this whole exchange when Anna Palina Luna is telling her, just calm down, calm down. 0.80
00:35:43.000 I can't hear you. 1.00
00:35:44.000 You're shouting.
00:35:45.000 She goes, Y'all talk noise and then you can't take it.
00:35:49.000 Because if I come and talk bleep about her, y'all gonna have a problem.
00:35:55.000 That's how it ended.
00:35:57.000 Well, you know, I believe I read something like that in the Federalist Papers.
00:36:06.000 You know, I mean, they sound like a bunch of, you know, they sound like a bunch of guys on drag race arguing with each other on Bravo Channel.
00:36:20.000 It's just so tacky. 1.00
00:36:23.000 I mean, AOT is a brain-dead moron. 1.00
00:36:27.000 Crockett's just ridiculous. 1.00
00:36:31.000 My favorite part was when they told them to calm down, because as you and I both know, women love it when you tell them to calm down. 0.98
00:36:39.000 Women love that. 0.98
00:36:40.000 Well, at least it was another woman. 1.00
00:36:42.000 The best part.
00:36:44.000 Imagine being comer who's up there just like, he's just like, no, just, oh, God.
00:36:52.000 It's okay.
00:36:53.000 I will just say this.
00:36:54.000 At least, you know, they're showing some fight.
00:36:56.000 And yeah, I wish we had the decorum and the big ideas and the natural law on this. 0.93
00:37:01.000 You know, but at the end of the day, I look at Jasmine Crockett. 1.00
00:37:04.000 She's literally trying to destroy our country if you boil it down. 0.96
00:37:06.000 So MTG, you know, it is what it is.
00:37:09.000 Kurt, thank you as always for your time.
00:37:12.000 Excellent as always.
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