00:00:00.000Hey everybody, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:02.000We break down the disastrous, the shocking, the aha moment that spun the political commentary world on its head yesterday when Michael Cohen was called out for the liar that he is in the cross-examination at the Trump Hush Money Trial, as they call it, in New York.
00:00:21.000Why this is such a bomb show, what it means, and why it matters.
00:00:24.000We also welcome Kurt Schlichter to the show, who's a lawyer who tells us just exactly what a clown show this all is.
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00:03:35.000And I just love the way that the Daily Mail, Rob Cruley over the Daily Mail, puts it.
00:03:41.000It said, it created an aha moment just as the case barrels towards its conclusion, the sort of pin drop shock common to courtroom TV dramas, but rare in real life.
00:05:28.000You know, on a cross-examination, lawyers want to kind of put the witness in a, you know, build a box around the witness and then slam it shut.
00:05:37.000And that's what Todd Blanche did to Michael Cohen.
00:05:40.000It was an extraordinary cross-examination by Todd Blanche.
00:05:43.000And, you know, Michael Cohen's, throughout the day, Michael Cohen, when cornered, when he found himself in a corner, he does have a pattern of suddenly not understanding the question that's being asked or seemingly kind of, I mean, one could say buying time to try to figure out how he wants to answer.
00:06:01.000Michael Cohen was cornered in what appeared to be a lie, I think, to many in the room.
00:06:13.000Michael Cohen said that he, three days earlier, he had testified that he had made a phone call to Trump confirming that the payment to Stormy Daniels had been made.
00:06:23.000It was very, very, like I said, rehearsed.
00:06:27.000He looked like it was a really bad day for the Trump campaign.
00:06:32.000But it turns out Todd Blanche brings out the records and said, you're lying.
00:06:38.000He said, it was actually about a 14-year-old crank caller, and you called Trump's security guard to get advice on how to deal with this kid, a 14-year-old.
00:06:49.000So not only are you a scumbag that is a convicted liar, you're not only a scumbag that records your clients, in this case, Donald Trump, this bombshell recording that didn't actually do anything.
00:07:37.000Cohen does this thing where he tries to buy time and give himself a little space to kind of come up with his answer.
00:07:44.000It was so telling based on his body language and his reaction when Blanche cornered him with this, when he shut the door on him, that you could just feel the air go out of the room.
00:09:42.000And again, this has been a point of contention with President Trump.
00:09:45.000Trump likes his lawyers like attack dogs.
00:09:49.000So this prankster, this prank caller, this crank caller, 14-year-old.
00:09:54.000This guy had been harassing Cohen, apparently, this 14-year-old, right?
00:09:58.000Right in that October 2016 time period.
00:10:02.000And on one occasion, he forgot to hide their caller ID.
00:10:06.000So Cohen told him that he would have to explain themselves to the Secret Service, being a tough guy.
00:10:12.000The caller responded by saying he was only 14 years old.
00:10:15.000Cohen then messaged Trump's bodyman, Keith Schiller, shortly before 8 p.m. on October 24th to ask who he could talk to about the prankster and how to handle the matter, according to the messages read aloud in court.
00:10:29.000Kollog showed that Cohen made a call at 8.02 that lasted only 96 seconds, which means he could not have been calling about Daniels and the crank caller.
00:10:44.000That was a lie because you were actually talking to Mr. Schiller about you were getting harassing calls from a 14-year-old, he said in the most dramatic of the moment of the case so far.
00:10:53.000Cohen, who has adopted a meek hangdog air throughout, protested.
00:10:57.000He said Daniel's update was only brief.
00:11:06.000I think the transcript doesn't read as dramatic as that moment, again, in the courtroom when the air went out of the room for Michael Cohen and the prosecution.
00:11:14.000It was an absolute train wreck, that Grisham moment, as MSNBC put it.
00:11:24.000But again, normal people in Main Street America need to get it through their heads.
00:11:30.000And so when you have this many people saying the same thing that Michael Cohen's a liar and he got caught out in court, that starts to filter on down.
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00:11:55.000As Sir Edmund Burke said, the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing, and we're not going to do nothing.
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00:13:57.000Well, John Yu, who's been on this show, asked that same question, Play Cut 198.
00:14:04.000So I think if you're Trump, you leave them with this message at the end of the Cohen trial, at the end of Cohen's testimony, which is, did we cross the Rubicon?
00:14:13.000Did we go after a former president for the first time in the history of this republic in 235 years for this guy, for this kind of witness, for these kinds of charges?
00:14:25.000The other thing I would say is you could, I think there's a good chance that this judge would have to dismiss these charges as not proven even before you put on a defense.
00:14:35.000Now, I think that's a little bit wishful thinking.
00:14:38.000You would assume you're dealing with a judge that would be nonpartisan, unbiased.
00:14:44.000I don't think that's what we're dealing with, unfortunately, in New York.
00:14:57.000It's an important day for the country.
00:14:59.000Because at some level, this case is about more than whether or not one political party in this country can summon a bunch of jurors and can summon a bunch of prosecutors and judges and get them to try and throw the leading candidate for president into jail.
00:15:19.000It's about more than that, because that's obviously what they wanted to do.
00:15:22.000They wanted to take him off the chessboard.
00:15:26.000It's about the character of this country.
00:15:29.000It's about how much virtue is left in the population that makes up the citizenry of this great country.
00:16:03.000Do they have enough virtue left in them to look at this as the blatant assault on our democracy and our rules and norms and traditions that it is and reject the party that is perpetrating these assaults on our republic?
00:16:18.000That is a really important question that is still an open question.
00:16:23.000But as these clips come out, as you see it from top to bottom, from Fox, CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, New York Times, everybody saying the same thing, that this was a big bombshell moment for the defense, for the Trump campaign.
00:16:42.000That is going to help get the normies, the people that aren't paying such close attention, invested in the outcome of this case in a way that they need to be.
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00:17:14.000And in the words of John Yu, did we really cross the Rubicon for this guy?
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00:19:45.000The ability to take a witness and to pick apart his, her, or their story and test whether it's true or false or a little of both.
00:20:00.000And this is something that is hundreds and hundreds of years old.
00:20:06.000If you've ever seen A Man for All Seasons, the movie about Thomas Moore, where he cross-examines Richard Rich, the guy who's lying about him, you know, trying to get him executed, up to, you know, Al Pacino and Justice for all and all those.
00:20:26.000And of course, you can't handle the truth.
00:20:29.000Cross-examination is just, it is central to the truth discovery purpose of our justice system.
00:20:36.000And I got to tell you, when you are doing a cross, and I'm a trial lawyer, I do trials about 30 years.
00:20:46.000There are few things as much fun as a good cross with your clothes on.
00:20:55.000So now, when you look, first of all, it is a whole trial is a scam in a disparate, but it is an utter disgrace that an agency of any level of an American government, this time the state of New York, would bring in a witness who is a known perjurer, a known liar, a convicted perjurer.
00:21:20.000I mean, the guy's a convict, and put him up as their key witness against a guy 50% or so of Americans want to see as their next president.
00:22:19.000Let's go through your personal resume of crimes and lies.
00:22:23.000He's just saying, and he's tightening it so Cohen can't shift out of it.
00:22:29.000And eventually, you know, the most famous exchange, of course, was the 14-year-old prank baller call where Cohen said, well, I called Trump and Trump agreed to this giant Stormy Daniels conspiracy, which isn't a conspiracy and isn't against the law, but let's put that aside.
00:22:51.000A 96-second call, and Blanche was able to get him to, you know, recommit to, yeah, that was all about Trump.
00:23:01.000And then he starts dropping in other evidence like text that show is really about a 14-year-old prank caller.
00:23:10.000And, you know, when that's going on, the room gets quiet.
00:23:16.000When you're doing the cross, there's nothing but you and the guy on the stand that you're literally eviscerating.
00:23:26.000The key to a great cross is to know all your facts and have them at hand.
00:23:31.000If you have to put up an exhibit, you need to have your second chair, a junior lawyer, paralegal, whatever, ready and totally coordinated with you.
00:24:28.000I mean, does this how bad is the scale one to 10?
00:24:32.000In a real case, a legal case, which this is not, it's Nagasaki times Biroshima.
00:24:41.000You know, times be a Star Wars sequel in the level of disaster.
00:24:48.000I mean, it's, I, but this isn't a normal case, and he's not really talking to the jury.
00:24:56.000Now, there's a small chance he might get somebody to hang.
00:24:59.000Uh, there's no chance they'll get an acquittal in my opinion.
00:25:02.000Okay, well, I've been wrong before, but what he's really doing is he's cross-examining for America to say, this is what the Democrats have put up.
00:25:40.000I will tell you, there is one juror, and I actually had this conversation a couple of times yesterday and the day before with various people that are actually inside the courtroom.
00:25:48.000One journalist in particular I was speaking with said he can figure out who the true social guy is.
00:25:56.000So there's one juror that gets their news from True Social, which obviously is Trump's social media network.
00:27:49.000But again, I mean, this isn't a real legal case like other ones, because if it wasn't Donald Trump, if it was Donald Trump, A, the case never would have been filed.
00:28:03.000And B, the jurors would be sitting there going, why are we here?
00:28:11.000I made this point earlier in the hour as well.
00:28:12.000This is actually a case for the American public.
00:28:15.000I think the bigger question with all of this lawfare assault on Donald Trump is, are we a nation that can see a brazen politicization of our institutions and reject it?
00:28:26.000Or will the party that is doing the lawfare attack, will they be rewarded for it, right?
00:28:33.000So I actually think this is a larger existential civilizational defining question.
00:28:38.000These are a civilizational defining five months.
00:28:42.000But just let's play out the scenarios.
00:28:45.000If I'm right, which, you know, I'm going to take, I'm going to get a bet with somebody on this.
00:28:50.000I think this is going to be a hung jury.
00:28:52.000What would that mean to the Democrats' lawfare assault on Donald Trump if the one jurisdiction in which they just have a completely stacked deck, New York City, well, and DC, if they are not able to be successful in attaching convicted felon to the front of Donald Trump's intro?
00:29:12.000Look, I'm trying to be objective and objectively, it is devastating for the Democrats if they get a hunger.
00:29:20.000If he gets acquitted, I mean, holy cow, but I don't think it's bad.
00:29:25.000But if he gets a hung jury, yeah, it's devastating because Donald Trump's going to walk out and say, yeah, you know, they brought out this perjurer and a bunch of Democrats on the jury believed it.
00:29:37.000Because you know, the jurors, the activists, the lonely wine women of the jury, horrible liberal wine women, are immediately going to go on MSNBC and be interviewed about this.
00:29:51.000We're going to know exactly who they are, right?
00:29:55.000Well, there are two lawyers on the jury.
00:30:02.000I'm telling you, and I don't think they're sequestered, by the way.
00:30:05.000They're seeing that the clips from yesterday were, I played a lot of them already.
00:30:10.000They're calling this a moment of triumph.
00:30:11.000They're calling it an absolute shredding of Michael Cohen on the stand.
00:30:16.000Well, when you look at the syndrome is strong, but go ahead.
00:30:20.000Well, look, Anderson Cooper and Eli Honey, who are no friends of Trump and who I don't agree with very often, they were just, you know, essentially shell-shocked at how bad Cohen was.
00:30:32.000Now, I wasn't fitting in the courtroom.
00:31:45.000They had to get rid of Flynn with in-depth interviews, archival footage, and never before seen personal records of the man behind the headlines.
00:32:14.000I don't know how many we're going to get to here.
00:32:16.000So, for our audience's sake, MTG basically, you know, tells rep Crockett, who's a real piece of work, that she's obviously not able to read what's in front of her because, and they were arguing about Mary Garland because she has fake eyelashes.
00:34:06.000I prefer, you know, the founding fathers deliberating about great issues of national importance, of natural law, and the place of man and God in government.
00:34:20.000But that's not what we've got, Andrew.
00:34:23.000What we've got is essentially, I don't know, it looked like a cat fight to me.
00:34:30.000You know, I when everybody agrees that we want to change the rules back, then I'm all for it.
00:34:41.000Until then, you know, if people want to get into brawls, that's fine.
00:34:49.000All right, Kurt, we got to keep playing the clips.
00:35:57.000Well, you know, I believe I read something like that in the Federalist Papers.
00:36:06.000You know, I mean, they sound like a bunch of, you know, they sound like a bunch of guys on drag race arguing with each other on Bravo Channel.