The Charlie Kirk Show - April 27, 2023


A Jaw-Dropping Prediction About Trump with Bill O'Reilly and Julie Kelly


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Bill O'Reilly joins us to talk about Tucker Carlson and his new book, "Killing the Witches." And Julie Kelly makes a prediction about Donald Trump's criminal future. Bill and Bill also discuss the latest in the Tucker Carlson case.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today the Charlie Kirk show.
00:00:01.000 Bill O'Reilly joins us and Julie Kelly, two very powerful interviews here about Tucker Carlson.
00:00:07.000 And Julie Kelly makes a prediction, a jaw-dropping prediction about Donald Trump's criminal future.
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00:01:29.000 Here we go.
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00:02:13.000 Joining us now is Bill O'Reilly.
00:02:15.000 Bill, welcome back to the program.
00:02:17.000 You have a new book out.
00:02:18.000 Let's start with that.
00:02:18.000 Tell us about it.
00:02:20.000 Killing the Witches will be out in September.
00:02:22.000 I hope we can talk that month about it.
00:02:25.000 It's essentially the horror of Salem, Massachusetts.
00:02:28.000 We take you through the 20 individuals who were murdered by the authorities in New England.
00:02:37.000 But we start off in the Mayflower, put you on a boat, you come on over to the New World, and then things rapidly get out of control.
00:02:45.000 Second half of the book is Benjamin Franklin, who actually witnessed this witch trial stuff in Boston where he was born.
00:02:51.000 He was a kid at the time.
00:02:52.000 And then the third part is about demonic possession today.
00:02:57.000 So this is another one of those killing books that I don't think people are going to be able to put down.
00:03:02.000 So Bill, just quick question on it.
00:03:04.000 What did you learn in the process of doing this?
00:03:06.000 I always ask you this as we go through your books.
00:03:08.000 What was eye-opening?
00:03:09.000 What was, you know, you probably had a perception of what you thought was happening during that.
00:03:13.000 What was the biggest thing you learned in the process of writing the book?
00:03:17.000 That the way we live in America today with religion and the state was shaped by the Salem witch trials.
00:03:24.000 So it's relevant to right this second.
00:03:27.000 And the second thing is all of the unbelievably strange stuff that happened on the set of the movie The Exorcist.
00:03:37.000 It is absolutely incredible what happened during that shoot.
00:03:41.000 And it has been underreported.
00:03:44.000 So those are the two headlines that I'll bring out.
00:03:47.000 Very good.
00:03:48.000 The book is now available, Killing the Witches, Bill O'Reilly.
00:03:52.000 So Bill, I have to ask about the big media news of the week.
00:03:56.000 I mean, you've been in the room and on the other end of the phone with the Fox stuff.
00:04:00.000 What's your take on the Tucker deal?
00:04:02.000 And I mean, is this, do you think there were other political dynamics at play here?
00:04:06.000 Was it lawsuit related?
00:04:08.000 What is your take?
00:04:10.000 Well, what finally happened was this lawsuit filed by one of his bookers who taped him and his staff continually.
00:04:21.000 And the word is that she's got 90 tapes.
00:04:25.000 So she went into the Tucker Carlson program, you know, with a tape recorder, trying to get bad stuff so she could sue, which she has in Manhattan. 0.63
00:04:37.000 And her lawyer, you know, they're lined up, Charlie, you know this, from New York to L.A. to sue anybody for anything.
00:04:43.000 Yep.
00:04:44.000 So this woman did that, has these tapes. 1.00
00:04:49.000 Fox News knows a bit of what's on the tapes.
00:04:53.000 The lawyer goes in and says, if you don't pay my client all this money, we're going to put the tapes out.
00:04:59.000 And so Fox is facing another lawsuit coming off Dominion.
00:05:03.000 Then you had 60 Minutes.
00:05:05.000 You had Ray Epps.
00:05:06.000 He basically told the whole world, Tucker Carlson ruined my life, the lives of my family.
00:05:12.000 You think that lawsuit's coming down?
00:05:14.000 That looked like it was getting set up there to me.
00:05:18.000 So this was going to be an ongoing thing.
00:05:20.000 And they made the decision, the people that run Fox News, to get out of it.
00:05:26.000 And that's basically what corporations do.
00:05:28.000 There's no more Tammy Wynette, stand by your man. 1.00
00:05:31.000 Doesn't matter how loyal, how good you were, how much money you made them, what you did.
00:05:35.000 Doesn't matter.
00:05:36.000 If they think you're a liability, you get thrown overboard.
00:05:39.000 And so, you know, I guess my question also would be then, what would your advice be to Tucker as he contemplates his next move?
00:05:44.000 And how intense are these non-disparagement clauses and these kind of NDAs?
00:05:50.000 Are they going to have him locked down for the next couple years?
00:05:53.000 Nobody knows that.
00:05:55.000 I assume Mr. Carlson has good attorneys.
00:06:00.000 You know, I can't answer the question as far as specifics on what he has, what he doesn't have, but I can tell you he'll make a fortune, as you know, Charlie, in social media.
00:06:13.000 If he can set up his own apparatus like I did six years ago, ironically, it was six years almost to the week.
00:06:20.000 I left, and then he left six years later.
00:06:23.000 Well, I immediately formed billoreilly.com and the no spin news.
00:06:28.000 And I was actually startled to see this week the Wall Street Journal wrote about how successful we have been because nobody ever writes anything good about me in a print press.
00:06:37.000 But Carlson can do exactly the same thing and make a bloody fortune.
00:06:43.000 And that's what I assume he'll do.
00:06:45.000 Yeah, and so it's an interesting question.
00:06:48.000 I guess it's all speculation at this point.
00:06:50.000 But, you know, Fox deciding to depart from someone who is rating, ratings are down 30 or 40 percent.
00:06:59.000 But I guess their calculation right now is they want blue chip advertisers to come back or, you know, just is there anything to the abrupt nature of this bill?
00:07:10.000 I mean, they want the boycotts to obviously stop, but this doesn't seem very calculated or prudent on behalf of Fox.
00:07:18.000 Maybe I'm missing something.
00:07:20.000 Well, it depends how you look at it.
00:07:22.000 So when I left them, Fox News, they took a tremendous hit.
00:07:28.000 Carlson was put in there, but he lost about 1,200,000 of my audience for two years.
00:07:34.000 And then he pivoted to the right.
00:07:35.000 He decided to do what Rush Limbaugh did, and he was very successful in doing that.
00:07:41.000 And he put back some of the audience, but he was not the highest-rated show on the Fox News channel.
00:07:46.000 That's the five.
00:07:47.000 So the calculation I believe that was made was: look, the whole cable news industry is a sinking ship.
00:07:54.000 And if you look at the ratings last six months, the 25 to 54 audience, that's the audience that listens to you primarily, is gone.
00:08:03.000 Not only from Fox, but on CNN, MSNBC, and the network news.
00:08:08.000 Gone.
00:08:09.000 Younger Americans don't want it anymore.
00:08:11.000 My theory on it is it's too boring.
00:08:15.000 And Carlson was not boring, which is why he did well.
00:08:19.000 He wasn't boring.
00:08:20.000 He didn't know what he was going to say.
00:08:21.000 Most of the other programs.
00:08:23.000 news programs on television are absolutely stupefyingly dull.
00:08:28.000 And younger people just don't have the time for that anymore, so they're gone.
00:08:28.000 Yes.
00:08:32.000 So I think the calculation was made.
00:08:33.000 Look, we know that this is a dying industry.
00:08:37.000 It's going to be around, but it's, you know, a shadow of what it was when I was, you know, number one for 16 years.
00:08:48.000 And so we'll get to get as much money as we can.
00:08:51.000 We'll take a hit with Ducker Carlson, and they will.
00:08:54.000 There's no doubt about it.
00:08:55.000 But we'll just try to vacuum up as much money because this isn't a long-term game.
00:09:00.000 Fascinating.
00:09:01.000 Well, Bill, I encourage everyone to check out your book.
00:09:04.000 Thank you for spending time with us here.
00:09:06.000 And I agree with you.
00:09:08.000 I think the media landscape is dramatically changing in a very serious way.
00:09:13.000 And it's uncertain kind of all the different incentives and dynamics that are playing into this and whether or not Fox is going to be able to survive.
00:09:25.000 And I mean, I guess my last question, Bill, is did your non-compete block you from starting no spin news?
00:09:30.000 Or, you know, was that something?
00:09:32.000 I didn't have a non-compete.
00:09:34.000 Oh, wow.
00:09:35.000 Okay.
00:09:36.000 So the question, look, for us, it was different.
00:09:40.000 It was a business decision.
00:09:42.000 All right.
00:09:43.000 They made a decision, and my attorneys, I think the best in the world, came in and said, all right, you know, you got to pay this contract out, which they did.
00:09:53.000 No problem with that.
00:09:54.000 All right.
00:09:54.000 They fulfilled every congratula obligation.
00:09:57.000 And, you know, we wish you the best.
00:10:01.000 That's all it was.
00:10:03.000 And it was, and that's my philosophy.
00:10:06.000 I don't want to work for anybody who doesn't want me.
00:10:09.000 Okay.
00:10:09.000 And now, just like you, I work for myself.
00:10:13.000 Yep.
00:10:14.000 How much better is that?
00:10:16.000 I love it.
00:10:17.000 You're your own boss.
00:10:18.000 Yeah.
00:10:19.000 I mean, you and I are sympathetic though, because we do different things, but we're in social media.
00:10:26.000 Nobody tells us what to do.
00:10:28.000 All right.
00:10:29.000 We put out a product.
00:10:30.000 There are millions of people who will sample a product.
00:10:34.000 And if they like it, they'll stay.
00:10:36.000 And I don't have to deal with corporate meetings.
00:10:38.000 I don't have to deal with nonsense.
00:10:39.000 I don't deal with any of this.
00:10:41.000 I got a lot more time to spend with my kids and to do the things I want to do.
00:10:46.000 So for Tucker Carlson, the abruptness of it, as you point out very astutely, is a shock.
00:10:54.000 And it's not only a shock to him, but his whole staff.
00:10:57.000 I know everybody over there.
00:10:58.000 And most of the people at Fox News, the worker bees, are really good people. 1.00
00:11:02.000 They really are good people.
00:11:04.000 I feel bad for them because there's blood in the streets now.
00:11:07.000 And there's going to be layoffs over there. 0.98
00:11:09.000 Salaries are going to get cut.
00:11:11.000 The ratings are going to go down.
00:11:12.000 Management will change.
00:11:14.000 Pandemonian.
00:11:15.000 Meanwhile, Kirk and O'Reilly, I mean, we're singing a song because we got our own operations.
00:11:20.000 Exactly right.
00:11:21.000 We go right to the folks.
00:11:22.000 We go right to the folks.
00:11:24.000 We go straight to the people.
00:11:25.000 In fact, we become stronger because of it.
00:11:28.000 And look, you know this guy.
00:11:29.000 It takes a risk to own and operate your own stuff, but you're your own boss and you bet on yourself.
00:11:34.000 And it's the way to go.
00:11:36.000 Absolutely.
00:11:38.000 And Carlson will find that out because he is talented and he does have name recognition and a following.
00:11:46.000 And when he does do whatever he's going to do on social media, people will sample it.
00:11:52.000 So it doesn't mitigate what's happened.
00:11:55.000 I feel bad for him.
00:11:57.000 You know, these people who are taping everybody, let your audience decide what kind of folks they are.
00:12:05.000 But it is a perilous world, and television news is a wicked industry.
00:12:12.000 It definitely is.
00:12:13.000 Bill, thank you for being generous with your time.
00:12:15.000 I encourage everyone to check out Bill O'Reilly's new book.
00:12:18.000 He is prolific.
00:12:18.000 I can't keep up with all these books.
00:12:20.000 Killing the Witches by Bill O'Reilly.
00:12:21.000 Bill, thanks so much.
00:12:23.000 Okay, Charlie, talk soon.
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00:13:39.000 They've indicted Donald Trump.
00:13:40.000 They take O'Keefe off the chessboard.
00:13:43.000 But sometimes, sometimes their relentless campaign against conservatives has us forces us to take ourselves off the board, the chessboard, meaning we take ourselves out of the game.
00:14:06.000 So there's a fascinating article, American Mind, called New Coke.
00:14:13.000 Many, you might or may not remember this.
00:14:15.000 Do you remember how the Koch brothers were vilified for years in 2012, 13, or 14?
00:14:21.000 They were targets of every possible vector of attack because they were billionaire oligarchs that wanted to control our society. 0.73
00:14:31.000 And the Koch brothers were criticized.
00:14:34.000 They were attacked.
00:14:36.000 They were scrutinized.
00:14:37.000 They were vilified in dramatic ways.
00:14:43.000 You see, the Koch brothers put hundreds of millions of dollars into these causes, mostly under an economic liberty, economic freedom campaign.
00:14:54.000 But now there's a new article: New Coke, a foundation veers left.
00:14:59.000 You see, David Koch passed away.
00:15:02.000 Charles Koch, who is worth, how much is Charles Koch worth?
00:15:05.000 Like $120 billion?
00:15:07.000 One of the wealthiest people on the planet.
00:15:11.000 Oh, $59 billion.
00:15:12.000 Only $59 billion.
00:15:13.000 But yeah, $59 billion.
00:15:15.000 And Julia Koch, who is the heir to David Koch's fortune, is worth $60 billion, who passed away.
00:15:24.000 They made a decision to now become left-wing to become liberal-ish.
00:15:33.000 The article at AmericanMind.com says Koch's rhetorical shift is easy to document.
00:15:40.000 They no longer talk about economic freedom.
00:15:43.000 They represent a true change in values and priorities, not merely a new outreach strategy.
00:15:48.000 They no longer talk about economic freedom.
00:15:50.000 They now talk about racial justice.
00:15:53.000 They talk about social justice.
00:15:55.000 This used to be one of the biggest financers of the American right.
00:15:58.000 Yes, from a libertarian perspective, but they're not even doing that anymore.
00:16:03.000 Now, from a libertarian, they are just talking about watered-down social justice wokey.
00:16:08.000 What I'm getting at here is the left will non-stop blitzkrieg you.
00:16:14.000 And what Koch has decided to do with the Koch brothers, not Coca-Cola, K-O-C-H, Koch has decided to do, is just become liberal light.
00:16:23.000 Will you keep us?
00:16:24.000 Will you stay away from us?
00:16:26.000 They used to be attacked mercilessly.
00:16:30.000 But now the Koch network has basically joined the resistance.
00:16:34.000 This article at AmericanMind.com talks about how they no longer talk about economic liberty.
00:16:40.000 They talk about social justice.
00:16:47.000 In the area of free speech, leadership took the edge off defending offensive speech, protected speech to focus on peace and harmony, but compromised on peace as well.
00:16:56.000 Peace as well as free speech.
00:16:59.000 They say here in one of their network communications that they have a new discussion group at the Koch Network on race and contemporary political life.
00:17:08.000 Participants discuss the problem of lack of common language or approach to radicalized discourse.
00:17:14.000 The Koch brothers are funding, well, not just Koch, Charles Koch is funding the future of equity.
00:17:20.000 They also have a new seminar at Koch, according to this article, Noel Ijitev's argument that, quote, treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity and other works that appear to be rooted in critical race theory more than any ground of classical liberalism.
00:17:39.000 The Kokes used to be financiers and pushers for liberty, for limited government. 1.00
00:17:44.000 But because of how the left treated them, they took themselves out of the game.
00:17:49.000 And they are now social justice warrior, pseudo-resistance left-wing forces.
00:17:56.000 It's a remarkable transformation over the last decade.
00:17:59.000 It's worthy of a longer and deeper dive to just remind you of what the Kokes used to stand for. 1.00
00:18:04.000 And now they're basically center-left multi-billionaire activists.
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00:19:30.000 What is the backstory here?
00:19:31.000 Proud Boy J6 case goes to jury.
00:19:34.000 Let's start from the beginning.
00:19:35.000 Who is getting tried?
00:19:37.000 What are the allegations here and why does it matter?
00:19:39.000 So there are five members of the Proud Boys, including their group leader, Enrique Eterio, who have been undergoing this four-month trial marathon trial in Washington, D.C.
00:19:52.000 The first set of charges, Charlie, were handed down to four of these men in the spring of 2021.
00:19:59.000 Four of them have been held in pretrial detention, meaning denied bail as they awaited trial.
00:20:06.000 This will be almost two years.
00:20:07.000 These innocent men have been held behind bars.
00:20:10.000 So this trial is going on.
00:20:12.000 Closing arguments were Monday and Tuesday.
00:20:14.000 They faced seditious conspiracy charges, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, various other charges.
00:20:22.000 So this went to the jury on Tuesday afternoon.
00:20:25.000 They continue to deliberate and we're waiting to see what happens.
00:20:29.000 Unfortunately, this Department of Justice has a near perfect conviction rate in January 6th trials.
00:20:36.000 So it's very likely these men will be found guilty of a charge that is comparable to treason, which is seditious conspiracy.
00:20:43.000 So what exactly did these men do on January the 6th, 2021?
00:20:49.000 What were their actions?
00:20:50.000 What did they do?
00:20:52.000 They did a variety of different things.
00:20:54.000 And Charlie, this is a First Amendment case.
00:20:57.000 It's very important.
00:20:58.000 And I have a lot of coverage at AmericanGreatnessamGreatness.com.
00:21:03.000 But the government really relied on chat messages and encrypted chats, private messaging.
00:21:10.000 They had almost 500,000 messages, not just from Proud Boys, Charlie, but numerous FBI informants who were embedded in the group months before January 6th, who were also present in these group chats.
00:21:23.000 Basically, they traveled to Washington, D.C. differently.
00:21:27.000 Some of the men didn't even know each other, these defendants before January 6th.
00:21:32.000 They went to the Washington Monument to hold a rally.
00:21:35.000 They stopped at food trucks because, of course, all insurrectionists need to load up on tacos before you go over the government.
00:21:41.000 They need calories. 0.83
00:21:42.000 Yeah, of course.
00:21:43.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:21:44.000 And so they brought no weapons.
00:21:46.000 They had no firearms.
00:21:48.000 They showed up as Proud Boys have, as you know, for years to defend law enforcement and people who are being attacked by BLM and Antifa when police wouldn't do anything or were overwhelmed.
00:22:01.000 One of the men, Dominic Pizzola, he's the only one accused of violence or destruction of property.
00:22:07.000 He used a riot shield that he had gotten to protect himself from incoming flashbangs and rubber bullets by police.
00:22:14.000 He then used that to smash one of the windowpanes in the Senate.
00:22:21.000 Enrique Terrio, the group's leader, was not even in Washington, D.C. at the time.
00:22:26.000 Ethan Nordine was seen walking through open doors with Capitol Police standing right there, not arresting him.
00:22:34.000 So they were doing different things at different places.
00:22:37.000 The bottom line is there is no case for seditious conspiracy.
00:22:42.000 Certainly they could be charged with trespassing or vandalizing property.
00:22:47.000 No one is accused of assaulting a police officer.
00:22:50.000 This is simply all for optics, Charlie.
00:22:52.000 And the reason why the outcome of this trial matters is because the government is going to use this, any convictions, special counsel Jack Smith, to indict Donald Trump on the very same offenses.
00:23:06.000 That's why the government tried so hard, pulled every dirty trick in the book, was helped every step of the way by Judge Tim Kelly to ensure that they are going to get guilty verdicts out of this jury.
00:23:16.000 Well, so let me ask you, you're trying to tell me that federal informants were in these text messages with this language leading into January 6th.
00:23:24.000 Did the federal agents do anything to try to prevent them from actually acting on January 6th or maybe executing an arrest warrant before January 6th?
00:23:34.000 Or were they encouraging the type of behavior throughout?
00:23:39.000 So, this is such an interesting question, Charlie, because as you know, I've covered the Whitmer fetnapping hoax.
00:23:45.000 In that situation, you had informants and undercover agents working with their handling agents to stitch this group together to organize events where they could record evidence.
00:23:55.000 That's not necessarily what happened with the Proud Boys.
00:23:59.000 They did have informants who were Proud Boy members, but what they were telling their handlers even that day at the first breach point, Charlie, was that the Proud Boys had no plan.
00:24:10.000 They had no organization.
00:24:12.000 They were just going to show up to Trump's speech.
00:24:13.000 Some of them didn't even want to go to the Capitol.
00:24:15.000 They wanted to go back to their hotel rooms, telling their handlers there was no plan.
00:24:21.000 So that is something that the defense really has tried to underscore throughout this trial.
00:24:26.000 But look, Charlie, similar to Whitmer, you saw anonymous accounts who were posting some of the most inflammatory rhetoric, including stacking bodies outside the Capitol.
00:24:37.000 This was a phrase that was used repeatedly by the government.
00:24:40.000 But Charlie, we have no idea who said it.
00:24:43.000 None of the defendants said that.
00:24:45.000 So that was the same we saw in Whitmer, right?
00:24:47.000 You had these informants, undercover agents, saying and posting all sorts of outlandish things that were then used by evidence by the Justice Department.
00:24:57.000 But the people who posted that not only are not charged, no one even knows who they are.
00:25:02.000 Isn't entrapment supposed to be illegal, though?
00:25:05.000 I mean, that's what I don't understand.
00:25:06.000 I mean, it's not as if a judge would care, but aren't there clear laws against that?
00:25:12.000 There are.
00:25:13.000 And that's why you'll recall, Charlie, in the first Whitmer fetnapping trial in April of 2022, which took place not in DC, luckily for the defendants, but in Grand Rapids, Michigan, the defense attorneys put on a very compelling and convincing case of FBI entrapment.
00:25:30.000 Two men were outright acquitted.
00:25:32.000 Two men got a hung jury.
00:25:33.000 There was one juror, one holdout juror.
00:25:36.000 And then those two men were retried in August and unfortunately convicted, thanks mostly to the judge, just like we saw in this case.
00:25:45.000 But the defense didn't really make an entrapment argument about the FBI.
00:25:49.000 Their biggest argument was: look, you had at least eight, maybe as many as 15 informants in the Proud Boys.
00:25:55.000 You have zero evidence that they were telling their handlers that, oh my God, the Proud Boys are planning an insurrection.
00:26:02.000 We have to do something.
00:26:03.000 Make sure you have enough law enforcement protection for the Capitol grounds.
00:26:09.000 One of the funniest lines about this was one of their witnesses, who was one of a Proud Boy and then took a plea deal.
00:26:17.000 Said, I can't figure out if the Proud Boys are a political group with a drinking problem or a drinking group with a political problem.
00:26:26.000 This is all based on inflammatory rhetoric in these private chats that the FBI had access to.
00:26:32.000 Charlie, why then did the FBI, Capitol Police, DC Metro, all of the law enforcement agencies in DC, if they thought there was this plan?
00:26:43.000 That's exactly right.
00:26:44.000 So it actually goes both ways.
00:26:46.000 So if the FBI didn't act before January 6th, then it's really hard to make the argument that this was premeditated then because they were aware of all their conversations.
00:26:58.000 Or the FBI was just super incompetent.
00:27:00.000 So which one is it, DOJ?
00:27:02.000 If the FBI was not disturbed, why did they even let them step foot into Washington, D.C.?
00:27:09.000 They were getting real-time chatter and communications.
00:27:13.000 And so I think that a lot of the case hinges on this, but let's tie this all together.
00:27:19.000 This, all this trial, all this points to Jack Smith.
00:27:23.000 And you mentioned this.
00:27:24.000 Why?
00:27:25.000 What in the best case scenario is Merrick Garland hoping?
00:27:29.000 Well, actually, that's not correct.
00:27:31.000 What is Jack Smith hoping Merrick Garland delivers for him?
00:27:35.000 Well, look, Jack Smith is a front.
00:27:37.000 He's a special counsel appointed in November by Merrick Garland to give this pretend phony idea that Jack Smith would be independent.
00:27:45.000 He wasn't even in the country, Charlie, for the first several weeks, but DOJ did.
00:27:50.000 They took the prosecutors and investigators who were already investigating Donald Trump to January 6th.
00:27:56.000 They moved him to Jack Smith's office.
00:27:58.000 They changed their letterhead to pretend that this is independent.
00:28:01.000 It isn't.
00:28:02.000 But the reason why is, as you know, Jack Smith is investigating January 6th, Trump and his alleged crimes in January 6th.
00:28:11.000 They've actually subpoenaed now Mike Pence, who is going to testify before the grand jury, possibly even tomorrow or next week.
00:28:19.000 But the very first clip, Charlie, that the government played during closing arguments on Monday was not a clip of the Proud Boys committing a violent crime.
00:28:28.000 The clip was from September 2020, the presidential debate in Cleveland, when Donald Trump said, after being goaded by Chris Wallace and Joe Biden to denounce white militia terrorism, said, Proud boys, stand back and stand by.
00:28:44.000 That was the first clip that they played.
00:28:47.000 So Jack Smith has his marching orders.
00:28:50.000 I'm sure he and his team are sitting with bated breath, waiting for the jury to announce that they have a verdict.
00:28:57.000 And if there are convictions, especially in seditious conspiracy, I truly believe that Jack Smith will be one of many criminal indictments that Jack Smith pursues against Donald Trump.
00:29:07.000 So if you were to kind of just do the betting odds, do you think Donald Trump will receive a federal indictment from Jack Smith?
00:29:14.000 100%.
00:29:16.000 Oh, 100%.
00:29:17.000 So you really think it's all happening right there?
00:29:19.000 And that, wow, that's let's just hold that.
00:29:23.000 I want everyone to process that.
00:29:25.000 That's way more of a game changer than some sort of paperwork thing in Alvin Bragg.
00:29:29.000 This could prevent him from running and/or being president.
00:29:34.000 This, a federal indictment, is different.
00:29:38.000 So we're going to talk about that.
00:29:39.000 That's a game changer.
00:29:40.000 100% from Julie Kelly, and she's a very thoughtful person.
00:29:42.000 So I hope you all heard that.
00:29:44.000 All right, Julie Kelly, that's a big statement.
00:29:47.000 100%.
00:29:50.000 Tell me why.
00:29:50.000 I'm sorry.
00:29:51.000 I'm sorry.
00:29:52.000 110%.
00:29:54.000 How's that?
00:29:55.000 Okay.
00:29:55.000 Because look, Charlie, I know exactly what this DOJ is about.
00:29:59.000 And more importantly, I know exactly what these judges have done.
00:30:02.000 They are nothing more, whether it's a Trump-appointed judge like Tim Kelly handling the Proud Boys trial, whether it's Ahmed Maida, Obama appointee, all the way down to Clinton and Reagan-appointed judges.
00:30:14.000 They are all in cahoots.
00:30:16.000 They are nothing but a rubber stamp for this Department of Justice.
00:30:19.000 I totally agree with that.
00:30:20.000 Yeah.
00:30:21.000 And so, and look, you have a grand jury that is going to be made up of the same people who are sitting on regular juries, voters selected from a city that gave Joe Biden 93% of the vote, that hold Donald Trump and his supporters in open contempt.
00:30:37.000 This includes judges.
00:30:39.000 What they say in these hearings and these sentences are outrageous.
00:30:44.000 To your point, where are the Republicans?
00:30:46.000 I've been banging the, especially for the past year about these judges.
00:30:50.000 Look what the left is trying to do to Clarence Thomas and every conservative on the Supreme Court.
00:30:57.000 I mean, they have had the full court press.
00:30:59.000 I can't even get one House Republican to denounce the chief judge of the D.C. District Court who set special pretrial detention guidance for Trump supporters.
00:31:09.000 I can't even get them to write a letter about it. 0.97
00:31:12.000 These people are so worthless. 0.99
00:31:14.000 Yes. 1.00
00:31:14.000 They are. 1.00
00:31:15.000 And so let's, we're unlimited time, so I'm just going to kind of push this forward.
00:31:19.000 Can Donald Trump run if he's under federal indictment or if he's under federal conviction?
00:31:23.000 Federal, your thoughts?
00:31:25.000 He can certainly run under federal indictment.
00:31:28.000 I think the conviction part is a little sketchier with insurrection, but he can certainly run if he's charged and I think even convicted on most of these counts.
00:31:37.000 Okay.
00:31:38.000 So the issue is if he's under conviction, the timeline is not going to favor the government because these are, I mean, well, I mean, they might accelerate it because it's the, it's DC.
00:31:51.000 I mean, it's potential.
00:31:53.000 I mean, what we're looking at, Julie, that he could be standing trial in September of 2024 during the heart of an election.
00:32:01.000 I mean, this is all by design.
00:32:03.000 Joe Biden's advertisement comes out and he has nothing but January 6 imagery.
00:32:07.000 This is all they got.
00:32:08.000 So, I mean, we should probably think deeply about this, right?
00:32:13.000 Well, we should.
00:32:15.000 And I'm so grateful to you for continuing to cover this.
00:32:18.000 You know, the right has completely buried this, especially Fox News, except for Tucker and Laura Ingram occasionally.
00:32:26.000 So, and there were no reporters on any site related to the right who covered the Prowboy trial.
00:32:32.000 Now, look, a lot of them just don't have the resources to do it.
00:32:35.000 But this is the most consequential January 6th trial for many reasons.
00:32:39.000 And also, Charlie, for the precedents that's being set.
00:32:43.000 Seditious conspiracy, really?
00:32:45.000 No American has ever been convicted.
00:32:47.000 This is a post-Civil War statute.
00:32:50.000 They're weaponizing it.
00:32:51.000 They're getting plea deals.
00:32:52.000 They're getting convictions.
00:32:54.000 They're throwing the book at these men for doing nothing except walking into a building, maybe talking smack in chats or online with people.
00:33:05.000 This is very dangerous precedent.
00:33:07.000 And the fact that Republicans still, still, after all their promises, will not, for the most part, touch January 6th or the judges or the Department of Justice or Matthew Graves, the DCUS attorney.
00:33:18.000 They're nothing.
00:33:19.000 These are entities they're responsible for, though, Charlie.
00:33:19.000 They do nothing.
00:33:22.000 They're responsible for it, for all of this.
00:33:25.000 Have they cut a penny?
00:33:26.000 No.
00:33:27.000 Have they written one letter?
00:33:28.000 The DC district reports?
00:33:29.000 Nothing.
00:33:30.000 They've cut nothing.
00:33:31.000 They've fenced off no money.
00:33:32.000 But hey, they've done a couple press releases, Julie.
00:33:35.000 That's big.
00:33:36.000 Op-eds, actually.
00:33:37.000 You know, there was an op-ed the other day.
00:33:39.000 A sharply written op-ed is exactly going to scare the FBI.
00:33:42.000 So, Julie, 30 seconds.
00:33:43.000 I mean, I say this as a committed Trump supporter, but I mean, just do you think this jeopardizes Donald Trump's ability to win the White House in 2024?
00:33:54.000 It could in some quarters.
00:33:56.000 But, Charlie, I think you can suspect this too.
00:33:58.000 It will embolden the base.
00:34:00.000 Well, I know that.
00:34:02.000 A general election, though, right?
00:34:04.000 And I don't mean to cut you off.
00:34:05.000 We're just out of time.
00:34:05.000 I'm just boy, if he's standing, I mean, the state stuff, I don't think swing voters are going to care.
00:34:10.000 That's widely perceived as a witch hunt.
00:34:12.000 But standing federal trial for quote-unquote insurrection, the most insane thing or whatever, seditious conspiracy, man.
00:34:19.000 I mean, people say, well, he can't campaign from jail.
00:34:22.000 I mean, Biden campaigned from a basement.
00:34:24.000 I guess he could.
00:34:24.000 I mean, I don't know.
00:34:26.000 We're talking about some wild stuff.
00:34:27.000 We're out of time.
00:34:28.000 Julie Kelly, come back soon.
00:34:29.000 You heard it there, Julie Kelly, 100%.
00:34:31.000 She thinks he is going to face federal charges.
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