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00:04:10.000Well, what finally happened was this lawsuit filed by one of his bookers who taped him and his staff continually.
00:04:21.000And the word is that she's got 90 tapes.
00:04:25.000So she went into the Tucker Carlson program, you know, with a tape recorder, trying to get bad stuff so she could sue, which she has in Manhattan.
00:04:37.000And her lawyer, you know, they're lined up, Charlie, you know this, from New York to L.A. to sue anybody for anything.
00:05:55.000I assume Mr. Carlson has good attorneys.
00:06:00.000You know, I can't answer the question as far as specifics on what he has, what he doesn't have, but I can tell you he'll make a fortune, as you know, Charlie, in social media.
00:06:13.000If he can set up his own apparatus like I did six years ago, ironically, it was six years almost to the week.
00:06:20.000I left, and then he left six years later.
00:06:23.000Well, I immediately formed billoreilly.com and the no spin news.
00:06:28.000And I was actually startled to see this week the Wall Street Journal wrote about how successful we have been because nobody ever writes anything good about me in a print press.
00:06:37.000But Carlson can do exactly the same thing and make a bloody fortune.
00:06:45.000Yeah, and so it's an interesting question.
00:06:48.000I guess it's all speculation at this point.
00:06:50.000But, you know, Fox deciding to depart from someone who is rating, ratings are down 30 or 40 percent.
00:06:59.000But I guess their calculation right now is they want blue chip advertisers to come back or, you know, just is there anything to the abrupt nature of this bill?
00:07:10.000I mean, they want the boycotts to obviously stop, but this doesn't seem very calculated or prudent on behalf of Fox.
00:09:08.000I think the media landscape is dramatically changing in a very serious way.
00:09:13.000And it's uncertain kind of all the different incentives and dynamics that are playing into this and whether or not Fox is going to be able to survive.
00:09:25.000And I mean, I guess my last question, Bill, is did your non-compete block you from starting no spin news?
00:09:43.000They made a decision, and my attorneys, I think the best in the world, came in and said, all right, you know, you got to pay this contract out, which they did.
00:13:43.000But sometimes, sometimes their relentless campaign against conservatives has us forces us to take ourselves off the board, the chessboard, meaning we take ourselves out of the game.
00:14:06.000So there's a fascinating article, American Mind, called New Coke.
00:14:13.000Many, you might or may not remember this.
00:14:15.000Do you remember how the Koch brothers were vilified for years in 2012, 13, or 14?
00:14:21.000They were targets of every possible vector of attack because they were billionaire oligarchs that wanted to control our society.
00:14:31.000And the Koch brothers were criticized.
00:14:43.000You see, the Koch brothers put hundreds of millions of dollars into these causes, mostly under an economic liberty, economic freedom campaign.
00:14:54.000But now there's a new article: New Coke, a foundation veers left.
00:16:47.000In the area of free speech, leadership took the edge off defending offensive speech, protected speech to focus on peace and harmony, but compromised on peace as well.
00:16:59.000They say here in one of their network communications that they have a new discussion group at the Koch Network on race and contemporary political life.
00:17:08.000Participants discuss the problem of lack of common language or approach to radicalized discourse.
00:17:14.000The Koch brothers are funding, well, not just Koch, Charles Koch is funding the future of equity.
00:17:20.000They also have a new seminar at Koch, according to this article, Noel Ijitev's argument that, quote, treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity and other works that appear to be rooted in critical race theory more than any ground of classical liberalism.
00:17:39.000The Kokes used to be financiers and pushers for liberty, for limited government.
00:17:44.000But because of how the left treated them, they took themselves out of the game.
00:17:49.000And they are now social justice warrior, pseudo-resistance left-wing forces.
00:17:56.000It's a remarkable transformation over the last decade.
00:17:59.000It's worthy of a longer and deeper dive to just remind you of what the Kokes used to stand for.
00:18:04.000And now they're basically center-left multi-billionaire activists.
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00:19:37.000What are the allegations here and why does it matter?
00:19:39.000So there are five members of the Proud Boys, including their group leader, Enrique Eterio, who have been undergoing this four-month trial marathon trial in Washington, D.C.
00:19:52.000The first set of charges, Charlie, were handed down to four of these men in the spring of 2021.
00:19:59.000Four of them have been held in pretrial detention, meaning denied bail as they awaited trial.
00:20:58.000And I have a lot of coverage at AmericanGreatnessamGreatness.com.
00:21:03.000But the government really relied on chat messages and encrypted chats, private messaging.
00:21:10.000They had almost 500,000 messages, not just from Proud Boys, Charlie, but numerous FBI informants who were embedded in the group months before January 6th, who were also present in these group chats.
00:21:23.000Basically, they traveled to Washington, D.C. differently.
00:21:27.000Some of the men didn't even know each other, these defendants before January 6th.
00:21:32.000They went to the Washington Monument to hold a rally.
00:21:35.000They stopped at food trucks because, of course, all insurrectionists need to load up on tacos before you go over the government.
00:21:48.000They showed up as Proud Boys have, as you know, for years to defend law enforcement and people who are being attacked by BLM and Antifa when police wouldn't do anything or were overwhelmed.
00:22:01.000One of the men, Dominic Pizzola, he's the only one accused of violence or destruction of property.
00:22:07.000He used a riot shield that he had gotten to protect himself from incoming flashbangs and rubber bullets by police.
00:22:14.000He then used that to smash one of the windowpanes in the Senate.
00:22:21.000Enrique Terrio, the group's leader, was not even in Washington, D.C. at the time.
00:22:26.000Ethan Nordine was seen walking through open doors with Capitol Police standing right there, not arresting him.
00:22:34.000So they were doing different things at different places.
00:22:37.000The bottom line is there is no case for seditious conspiracy.
00:22:42.000Certainly they could be charged with trespassing or vandalizing property.
00:22:47.000No one is accused of assaulting a police officer.
00:22:50.000This is simply all for optics, Charlie.
00:22:52.000And the reason why the outcome of this trial matters is because the government is going to use this, any convictions, special counsel Jack Smith, to indict Donald Trump on the very same offenses.
00:23:06.000That's why the government tried so hard, pulled every dirty trick in the book, was helped every step of the way by Judge Tim Kelly to ensure that they are going to get guilty verdicts out of this jury.
00:23:16.000Well, so let me ask you, you're trying to tell me that federal informants were in these text messages with this language leading into January 6th.
00:23:24.000Did the federal agents do anything to try to prevent them from actually acting on January 6th or maybe executing an arrest warrant before January 6th?
00:23:34.000Or were they encouraging the type of behavior throughout?
00:23:39.000So, this is such an interesting question, Charlie, because as you know, I've covered the Whitmer fetnapping hoax.
00:23:45.000In that situation, you had informants and undercover agents working with their handling agents to stitch this group together to organize events where they could record evidence.
00:23:55.000That's not necessarily what happened with the Proud Boys.
00:23:59.000They did have informants who were Proud Boy members, but what they were telling their handlers even that day at the first breach point, Charlie, was that the Proud Boys had no plan.
00:24:12.000They were just going to show up to Trump's speech.
00:24:13.000Some of them didn't even want to go to the Capitol.
00:24:15.000They wanted to go back to their hotel rooms, telling their handlers there was no plan.
00:24:21.000So that is something that the defense really has tried to underscore throughout this trial.
00:24:26.000But look, Charlie, similar to Whitmer, you saw anonymous accounts who were posting some of the most inflammatory rhetoric, including stacking bodies outside the Capitol.
00:24:37.000This was a phrase that was used repeatedly by the government.
00:24:40.000But Charlie, we have no idea who said it.
00:24:45.000So that was the same we saw in Whitmer, right?
00:24:47.000You had these informants, undercover agents, saying and posting all sorts of outlandish things that were then used by evidence by the Justice Department.
00:24:57.000But the people who posted that not only are not charged, no one even knows who they are.
00:25:02.000Isn't entrapment supposed to be illegal, though?
00:25:05.000I mean, that's what I don't understand.
00:25:06.000I mean, it's not as if a judge would care, but aren't there clear laws against that?
00:25:13.000And that's why you'll recall, Charlie, in the first Whitmer fetnapping trial in April of 2022, which took place not in DC, luckily for the defendants, but in Grand Rapids, Michigan, the defense attorneys put on a very compelling and convincing case of FBI entrapment.
00:26:46.000So if the FBI didn't act before January 6th, then it's really hard to make the argument that this was premeditated then because they were aware of all their conversations.
00:26:58.000Or the FBI was just super incompetent.
00:28:02.000But the reason why is, as you know, Jack Smith is investigating January 6th, Trump and his alleged crimes in January 6th.
00:28:11.000They've actually subpoenaed now Mike Pence, who is going to testify before the grand jury, possibly even tomorrow or next week.
00:28:19.000But the very first clip, Charlie, that the government played during closing arguments on Monday was not a clip of the Proud Boys committing a violent crime.
00:28:28.000The clip was from September 2020, the presidential debate in Cleveland, when Donald Trump said, after being goaded by Chris Wallace and Joe Biden to denounce white militia terrorism, said, Proud boys, stand back and stand by.
00:28:44.000That was the first clip that they played.
00:28:47.000So Jack Smith has his marching orders.
00:28:50.000I'm sure he and his team are sitting with bated breath, waiting for the jury to announce that they have a verdict.
00:28:57.000And if there are convictions, especially in seditious conspiracy, I truly believe that Jack Smith will be one of many criminal indictments that Jack Smith pursues against Donald Trump.
00:29:07.000So if you were to kind of just do the betting odds, do you think Donald Trump will receive a federal indictment from Jack Smith?
00:29:55.000Because look, Charlie, I know exactly what this DOJ is about.
00:29:59.000And more importantly, I know exactly what these judges have done.
00:30:02.000They are nothing more, whether it's a Trump-appointed judge like Tim Kelly handling the Proud Boys trial, whether it's Ahmed Maida, Obama appointee, all the way down to Clinton and Reagan-appointed judges.
00:30:21.000And so, and look, you have a grand jury that is going to be made up of the same people who are sitting on regular juries, voters selected from a city that gave Joe Biden 93% of the vote, that hold Donald Trump and his supporters in open contempt.
00:30:39.000What they say in these hearings and these sentences are outrageous.
00:30:44.000To your point, where are the Republicans?
00:30:46.000I've been banging the, especially for the past year about these judges.
00:30:50.000Look what the left is trying to do to Clarence Thomas and every conservative on the Supreme Court.
00:30:57.000I mean, they have had the full court press.
00:30:59.000I can't even get one House Republican to denounce the chief judge of the D.C. District Court who set special pretrial detention guidance for Trump supporters.
00:31:09.000I can't even get them to write a letter about it.
00:31:25.000He can certainly run under federal indictment.
00:31:28.000I think the conviction part is a little sketchier with insurrection, but he can certainly run if he's charged and I think even convicted on most of these counts.
00:31:38.000So the issue is if he's under conviction, the timeline is not going to favor the government because these are, I mean, well, I mean, they might accelerate it because it's the, it's DC.
00:32:54.000They're throwing the book at these men for doing nothing except walking into a building, maybe talking smack in chats or online with people.
00:33:07.000And the fact that Republicans still, still, after all their promises, will not, for the most part, touch January 6th or the judges or the Department of Justice or Matthew Graves, the DCUS attorney.
00:33:43.000I mean, I say this as a committed Trump supporter, but I mean, just do you think this jeopardizes Donald Trump's ability to win the White House in 2024?