The Charlie Kirk Show - July 24, 2021


A Journey Around the World with Sec. Mike Pompeo


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In this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show, we sit down with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to discuss his time in Congress, his path to becoming a cabinet secretary, and what it means to be a conservative in the Trump administration.

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00:03:14.000 Hey, everybody.
00:03:16.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:03:17.000 With us today, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
00:03:20.000 Welcome.
00:03:20.000 Charlie, it's great to be with you.
00:03:22.000 You just gave a barn burner speech at our Turning Point USA Student Action Summit, and students seem pretty fired up.
00:03:28.000 Yeah, they're fired up.
00:03:30.000 My speech was fun, and we had a good time, and they are on fire for America and for Freedom.
00:03:35.000 It's great.
00:03:36.000 I had a chance to meet a bunch of them out there in the cross hallways today and shake their hand and thank them for what they're doing.
00:03:41.000 This is a generation that is going to fundamentally grab hold of the conservative tradition and drive it forward.
00:03:46.000 That's awesome.
00:03:47.000 And you are a true conservative, and you were in Congress.
00:03:50.000 And I want to talk a little bit about your biography, then get into kind of your role as Secretary of State, which I think you were phenomenal.
00:03:58.000 You graduated first of your class at West Point.
00:04:00.000 Is that right?
00:04:00.000 That's true.
00:04:01.000 Long time ago.
00:04:02.000 That's very impressive, though, I have to say.
00:04:04.000 Very impressive.
00:04:05.000 And then you ran for a lot of in-between, ran for Congress in Kansas.
00:04:10.000 In Kansas in 2000, in the 2010 election.
00:04:13.000 And then served in Congress, and then you ran the CIA under Trump and then Secretary of State.
00:04:20.000 Is that right?
00:04:21.000 Yeah.
00:04:22.000 Two things that are worth thinking about that really were formative for me.
00:04:25.000 One is I ran two manufacturing businesses in Kansas before I went to Congress.
00:04:29.000 They made airplane parts and then oil and gas equipment reel, no BS, American manufacturing.
00:04:34.000 It was a lot of fun.
00:04:35.000 And at that same time, I was a fifth-grade Sunday school teacher.
00:04:38.000 And that shaped my capacity to run the State Department.
00:04:42.000 Oh, really?
00:04:44.000 So are you Protestant, Catholic?
00:04:46.000 So we attend Eastminster Presbyterian Church in Wichita, Kansas.
00:04:50.000 With a name like Pompeo. 0.86
00:04:51.000 I code if you're a Roman Catholic.
00:04:53.000 No, I'm an evangelical Christian.
00:04:54.000 My wife and I co-taught the class, and it was a lot of fun.
00:04:58.000 We hope we helped a group of kids understand how to read the Bible and love the Lord.
00:05:02.000 Well, praise God.
00:05:04.000 So I want to go through the different theaters around the world and how much they've been screwed up over the last six months.
00:05:10.000 But I first just want to get one comment: your thoughts on this idea of our embassies flying the Black Lives Matter flag.
00:05:17.000 Could you imagine if, under your direction, something like that happened?
00:05:22.000 I mean, how is this even allowed under State Department protocol?
00:05:26.000 So there's a bit of history there.
00:05:28.000 When I was a member of Congress, I traveled to an embassy and saw the gay pride flag flying from the embassy, and I was infuriated. 0.92
00:05:38.000 And so I wrote a letter at that point in time, but that's all I could really do. 0.81
00:05:41.000 But then I became Secretary of State.
00:05:43.000 And when I became Secretary of State, when those embassies worked for me, I made very clear we were going to fly one flag from the flagpole at an American embassy.
00:05:52.000 That was going to be the American flag.
00:05:54.000 Charlie, you thought I'd have taken away their last nickel.
00:05:58.000 The consternation, the lawsuits, the threats were staggering.
00:06:01.000 And so it was truly disheartening to see at the main State Department facility in Washington, the main flagpole that is the center point for American diplomacy, that the whole world would see the picture and they would know what they were looking at there in Foggy Bottom.
00:06:14.000 To watch the BLM flight fly from that flagpole was just tragic.
00:06:21.000 This is an organization that is deeply against America.
00:06:24.000 It's a Marxist organization.
00:06:25.000 There are people who don't believe in the very things our diplomats are supposed to be doing around the world.
00:06:30.000 And for this administration to have permitted that to fly from an American flagpole, I'm not sure I have an adjective that can accurately describe how disheartening it was to see and how un-American it felt to me to have been.
00:06:43.000 And overtly political, too.
00:06:44.000 I mean, they say it's not political, but of course it is.
00:06:46.000 No, it's deeply political.
00:06:48.000 This is an organization of the left.
00:06:50.000 Yes.
00:06:50.000 And this is an organization to which many in the Democrat Party have pledged falty.
00:06:55.000 So, yeah, no, this was not only a, it was not only political, but it was deeply inconsistent with the value set of America.
00:07:01.000 The equivalent that we used on our show is what if every State Department flag flew an NRA flag that says gun rights are human rights.
00:07:08.000 No, look, I made those arguments.
00:07:08.000 Something.
00:07:10.000 You should know when I was under attack, simply making the case that this was an American facility.
00:07:17.000 It should have an American flag.
00:07:18.000 And I was right, and they're wrong.
00:07:22.000 And it seems like social activism has become one of the same in the federal government.
00:07:26.000 Okay, let's start closest to home, and then we'll go all the way around the world.
00:07:29.000 So I want to just kind of get your opinion and your diagnosis of where the most messed up theaters of conflict are and then kind of talk about what you guys did.
00:07:37.000 Let's start with Cuba.
00:07:39.000 So Cuba's kind of been in the news lately.
00:07:41.000 It seems that this administration has just been caught flat-footed, unable to really denounce communism, unprepared for that, I guess you could say.
00:07:51.000 You guys did a wonderful job with Cuba, which was at first under the Obama administration, they were eating hot dogs and go to baseball games together with the Castro dictators.
00:07:59.000 You guys kind of put Cuba in its proper place.
00:08:00.000 Can you talk about that?
00:08:01.000 So we took a fundamentally different view. 0.83
00:08:03.000 We flipped the switch on Cuba 180 degrees. 0.99
00:08:05.000 It began, right? 1.00
00:08:06.000 It always begins at the beginning. 0.98
00:08:08.000 It begins with the Cuban people.
00:08:09.000 These are people who love freedom.
00:08:11.000 They want nothing more than out from under the tyranny that was brought to them by Castro and now his successor crony.
00:08:17.000 And so we were going to do everything we could to help them.
00:08:19.000 That always begins with taking away money and power from the people who are the oppressors.
00:08:23.000 And so we began to put a sanctions regime in place. 0.87
00:08:26.000 I made the declaration when I became secretary that they were a state sponsor of terror. 0.58
00:08:30.000 They've sponsored terror around the world.
00:08:31.000 All of this putting pressure on the regime.
00:08:34.000 And I can promise you this.
00:08:36.000 Had the uprising taken place seven months ago, it would have taken two seconds for the State Department to issue a statement saying that these are people that are loving freedom.
00:08:46.000 The communist dictatorship is evil, and we're with the people of Cuba.
00:08:49.000 It took them several days.
00:08:51.000 And frankly, I think the president had to read from a three by five card.
00:08:54.000 He keeps doing this.
00:08:55.000 I can't explain it.
00:08:56.000 I can't explain it.
00:08:57.000 But you're just saying, and it's a little bit, it's like this narrow thing.
00:09:00.000 Have you ever seen this?
00:09:01.000 You know what I'm talking about?
00:09:01.000 I do, exactly.
00:09:02.000 It's like a weird piece of paper.
00:09:04.000 I can't figure it out.
00:09:05.000 They're custom-made?
00:09:06.000 I can't figure it out, but I can tell you the advice he's getting from those little things.
00:09:09.000 And what's written on now is like, talk, breathe.
00:09:14.000 Right?
00:09:15.000 You are president.
00:09:17.000 You know what I mean?
00:09:18.000 It is remarkable.
00:09:21.000 Look, I wish they'd go back and just adopt the same model. 1.00
00:09:23.000 If they did, I'm convinced the Cuban people would have the space they need to ultimately change the nature of what's going on there. 0.96
00:09:28.000 It doesn't appear that's the path they're headed down.
00:09:30.000 They're going to placate the regime.
00:09:32.000 They'll still send money to them.
00:09:35.000 This is absolutely tragic.
00:09:36.000 Anybody who's met any of the folks who have lived in Cuba and then come to the United States knows that the United States has a responsibility to help the Cuban people be successful and free.
00:09:45.000 And this really is the window to liberate the Cuban people from this repressive government.
00:09:50.000 I mean, in the 70s and 80s, there was somewhat of a Soviet kind of actor at play.
00:09:56.000 And right now, this is basically an opportunity where the younger generation is ready to rise up.
00:10:01.000 At the very least, we could provide internet service through satellites.
00:10:05.000 There's all sorts of creative ideas.
00:10:05.000 Yes.
00:10:07.000 There are lots of ideas, certainly given them the ability to connect and communicate.
00:10:11.000 Remember, that's what we did in Poland, what Reagan did in Poland, right?
00:10:15.000 He'd helped the solidarity movement with printing presses and the capabilities a different time, but the capacity for them to communicate with them.
00:10:20.000 And it's lighter than the sword.
00:10:21.000 And this is something we could do.
00:10:23.000 We could do it rather easily.
00:10:24.000 I suspect this administration is going to walk away from that opportunity.
00:10:27.000 Unfortunately, I think Cuba is going to kind of just be forgotten.
00:10:30.000 So let's go to Europe.
00:10:32.000 You guys did a wonderful job of totally changing the way that European negotiations are done.
00:10:37.000 I think you gave, I think it was NATO, the most beautiful building I've ever seen in the history of the world, but we didn't only pay for it as taxpayers.
00:10:44.000 Is that right?
00:10:45.000 That's right.
00:10:48.000 We have great friends in Europe.
00:10:50.000 They're an ally and partner in our security apparatus, but for an awful long time, we let them just walk all over us.
00:10:56.000 That ended when President Trump and I came into the capacity to influence it.
00:11:01.000 We only asked of them that they do as much as we did.
00:11:03.000 If they needed security, great.
00:11:05.000 We'd be happy to be partners in that security arrangement and push back against the threats, but they needed to step up.
00:11:10.000 And it was remarkable to be there on the very first trip that I took with the president when we went to the NATO summit.
00:11:16.000 And he simply said, you all made some promises about the money you're going to spend.
00:11:20.000 Could you just make good on them? 0.63
00:11:22.000 And it was as if we'd have walked in as a skunk in the garden party, but we were right. 0.96
00:11:22.000 That's right. 0.96
00:11:28.000 In the end, we made them do it.
00:11:30.000 We created the environment where they knew it was in their best interest to do it.
00:11:34.000 So some $440 billion of European taxpayer money now to support our efforts.
00:11:40.000 The Secretary General there, a fellow named Jens Stoltenberg, an amazing person, thanks us for saving NATO in that sense, of building out a NATO that now was common, right?
00:11:50.000 It was a common defense unit.
00:11:51.000 Before it had been the American defense unit with a handful of stragglers, it was really important work that President Trump did there.
00:11:57.000 And I think that one will actually last.
00:12:00.000 And geopolitically, it's much smarter to try to build partners than just have America just subsidize the entire thing.
00:12:06.000 You know this, Charlie.
00:12:07.000 If you don't have any skin in the game, you're less likely to be to be there when it matters most at the moment with that.
00:12:12.000 It's fairpunk when the challenge comes, right?
00:12:15.000 When that moment comes, if you don't have any skin in the game, it's pretty easy to walk away. 0.93
00:12:19.000 And the Europeans were in a place where they could have easily walked away.
00:12:22.000 Now they've got a lot more investment there.
00:12:23.000 So one more thing I want to focus just on the European theater is the stunning reversal from the media that they're perfectly okay with Russian pipelines going into Germany.
00:12:32.000 They're perfectly okay with meetings with Vladimir Putin in secrecy.
00:12:37.000 And I mean, the position of your administration is that Russian is an enemy and an adversary.
00:12:41.000 If there's places of collaboration we can work on, then so be it, but we don't trust them generally.
00:12:46.000 It doesn't seem that this administration is even close to as harsh on Russia as you guys were.
00:12:52.000 If I remember correctly, you expelled diplomats, sanctions.
00:12:56.000 The ultimate irony is that for two and a half years, they asserted that President Trump was a Russian asset.
00:13:03.000 And for four years, this administration did more to put pressure on Vladimir Putin than the previous one did in eight.
00:13:10.000 It started with a big buildup in our security posture.
00:13:13.000 If you think there's one thing that Vladimir Putin is afraid of, it is a strong, capable U.S. military.
00:13:18.000 We then expelled some diplomats, but we got out of a treaty.
00:13:22.000 There was a treaty that just two countries in it.
00:13:24.000 One of them wasn't complying.
00:13:25.000 And we said, hmm, that's interesting, but we got to get away from this. 0.72
00:13:29.000 And so we walked away from a treaty that made no sense, that was constraining the United States, but not the Russians.
00:13:34.000 And we made clear to Vladimir Putin there were a set of things that we just weren't going to permit to happen, and they didn't happen.
00:13:40.000 And sadly, it appears that President Biden's told them that there's about 16 industries they can't attack.
00:13:45.000 And I don't exactly know what they are, but I feel bad for the 17th.
00:13:49.000 Yeah, I mean, ransomware attacks to the pipelines being built. 0.57
00:13:53.000 And the media is just perfectly, I guess, okay with it or just uninterested when they're not able to caricature a Republican as a Russian agent.
00:14:01.000 If we step up just one more level, the whole world understood for four years that President Trump was serious about protecting America.
00:14:08.000 That's a model we know from the Reagan years, right?
00:14:10.000 This idea of peace through strength.
00:14:11.000 This is a model that the world understood, that there was a leader in America who wasn't going to go put 40,000 soldiers anyplace, but was going to defend the things that mattered, our interests, and was going to have that as a priority.
00:14:22.000 And so I think of that in the context of the Russian.
00:14:26.000 Vladimir Putin knows that he was able to take a fifth of Ukraine under President Obama.
00:14:30.000 Do you think he believes there's any reason that President Biden would react any differently if he decided to take a chunk of Syria or take another chunk in Ukraine or whatever it may be or conduct ransomware campaigns?
00:14:42.000 I don't think he views them as being prepared to do the hard work of defending America.
00:14:48.000 Yes, and Assad is basically consolidated power now, just kind of to a glide path to dictatorship thanks to this kind of new geopolitical world we're living in.
00:15:00.000 Now to the Middle East, it's kind of a segue.
00:15:02.000 You did a wonderful job with Israel and defending the state of Israel against attacks.
00:15:07.000 Back in May, we saw probably a more heated conflict than I think you saw in four years at the Trump administration.
00:15:13.000 Is that fair to say?
00:15:14.000 Yeah, absolutely. 0.86
00:15:16.000 That was an Iranian attack.
00:15:18.000 There was a proxy force called Hamas in the Gaza Strip, but in the end, these were Iranian rockets launching down on Israel. 0.54
00:15:23.000 Iran continues to say that Israel doesn't have the right to exist and want to wipe the little Satan, Israel, and the big Satan off the face of the earth.
00:15:30.000 We were having none of that.
00:15:33.000 We also just were very good at just saying, walk me through the facts on the ground.
00:15:38.000 And when we came to the Middle East, every Secretary of State before had done shuttle diplomacy between Ramallah and Jerusalem to no effect.
00:15:46.000 We said we're happy if the Palestinians have better lives.
00:15:49.000 We want good things for them, but we're not going to let that get in the way of creating peace in the Middle East.
00:15:54.000 And so we built out a set of security understandings that allowed remarkable leaders in Bahrain, in Sudan, Morocco, and in the United Emirates, the Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed, as well as two great leaders, Prime Minister Netanyahu and President Trump, who all were able to come together to say, look, we're going to fundamentally rewrite history in the Middle East.
00:16:12.000 We're going to acknowledge Israel's right to exist.
00:16:15.000 And it took a strong America who was prepared to move our embassy to Jerusalem, to have the Secretary of State acknowledge that Israel is not an occupying force every place that the Israeli people live.
00:16:26.000 Those things brought together under the Abraham Accords truly delivered some lasting peace for the people of the Middle East.
00:16:34.000 I pray that they continue.
00:16:35.000 I think that the Abraham Accords will, but this administration is about to hand the Iranians a whole bunch of money, and that'll be to the detriment of the United States. 0.97
00:16:42.000 When your administration got no credit at all whatsoever for that negotiation, right, which was beyond historic and really was a unified peace against Iran, do you think Iran's going to get a nuclear weapon in this administration?
00:16:56.000 I don't know that they'll get it on their watch, but they'll make real progress. 0.67
00:16:59.000 They're going to have the what do you need to build a nuclear weapon?
00:17:02.000 You need to make sure that you can do it in hidden places so there's no one comes after it.
00:17:07.000 Second, you need to have the money, tools, and resources to build out the infrastructure to do that.
00:17:13.000 And then you need the political cover that gives you the space to do it.
00:17:16.000 The Biden administration is going to provide them each of those three things.
00:17:19.000 And we starved the Iranian regime.
00:17:22.000 They're on their last $4 billion in foreign exchange reserves.
00:17:26.000 It took us two and a half years to put that much pressure on them. 0.61
00:17:30.000 It saddens me because the people in the Gulf, the partners and friends that we have in Israel and America will be more at risk as Iran continues to move close to a nuclear weapon. 0.73
00:17:41.000 Charlie, even as they get close, even when they don't have the completed cycle, their capacity to coerce increases. 0.75
00:17:48.000 Their capacity to say that if you don't do what it is we'd like you to do, Israel, if you don't do what you'd like us to do to the Saudis, then those countries will feel under the thumb because they know Iran is even, even if Iran is only on the cusp of getting those weapon systems. 0.71
00:18:02.000 Yeah, and they will have much more leverage and proxies to do so. 0.58
00:18:06.000 So now I want to kind of end, but it's going to be a long end on the most important of all of them, which is China. 0.89
00:18:11.000 And that is, of course, the one that is the greatest threat, I think, to our way of life here in the West in a variety of different reasons. 0.88
00:18:19.000 The Trump administration, led by you, was kind of the first effort to hold the Chinese Communist Party accountable. 0.85
00:18:26.000 There's a lot that I want to ask you about this, but let's just start with the virus. 0.87
00:18:31.000 Do you think it came from a lab?
00:18:33.000 I do.
00:18:34.000 I think it's a near certainty.
00:18:34.000 I do.
00:18:36.000 And while I can't lay out conclusive proof for you today, you put me in front of a jury in a civil court and I'll win all day long.
00:18:44.000 Criminal Accord might be, I think I could even win there, but I must say.
00:18:44.000 Criminal Court.
00:18:48.000 So the intent threshold, maybe.
00:18:49.000 We'll see.
00:18:50.000 Yeah, this almost certainly came from the lab.
00:18:52.000 Every stick of evidence that we've seen today suggests that they were working on a virus, that they were conducting this research that amps up the virus, makes it certainly more contagious, likely more lethal as well.
00:19:04.000 And they were doing so for a purpose that's not clear, but we know this.
00:19:07.000 We know when they learned that the virus was out on the street that they didn't do the right thing.
00:19:13.000 They knew they had people who were infected.
00:19:15.000 They knew they had people who were highly contagious.
00:19:18.000 They knew the virus was lethal and they sent them across the globe.
00:19:21.000 Charlie, I always compare it to someone who gets behind the wheel when they're drunk.
00:19:25.000 They may not intend to run over someone, but when they do, they're charged with felony murder. 0.98
00:19:30.000 Whether the Chinese intended the results that have flowed, the results of their reckless activities have now resulted in the death of millions of people all across the world. 0.98
00:19:40.000 That alone justifies massive accountability. 0.96
00:19:43.000 So the China issue in general, and I want to ask you about Taiwan because I think that actually might be the thing in play. 0.94
00:19:51.000 What would we, if you were still in power, what would we do to hold them accountable for such a reckless act like that that killed millions of people, that shut down the world economy, lied about it, and they transported their own citizens to almost help spread it. 0.95
00:20:03.000 So it's a long project.
00:20:04.000 There's a half a dozen things you can do that are quick and easy.
00:20:07.000 We know who the decision makers were.
00:20:07.000 Examples.
00:20:09.000 Make sure their wives aren't shopping in Paris. 1.00
00:20:11.000 So just pull their Western visas. 1.00
00:20:13.000 Shut them out. 1.00
00:20:15.000 Today we have 360,000 students studying, Chinese students studying in the United States of America.
00:20:20.000 Some of them are good, hardworking Chinese people. 0.72
00:20:22.000 Too many of them are connected to the People's Liberation Army and the Chinese security apparatus called the MSS. 1.00
00:20:27.000 They must get out.
00:20:28.000 So really quick, because we're a student organization, what percentage would you say out of 360,000?
00:20:32.000 Boy, it's hard to know, but this I can say for sure.
00:20:35.000 Very few of those students are able to go home without being contacted by the Chinese government.
00:20:40.000 It can be as easy as, hey, we'd like to talk to you.
00:20:43.000 We know where your parents are, right?
00:20:45.000 Some of them are subtle or less subtle.
00:20:46.000 I'm Italian.
00:20:47.000 I know how the mafia works, right?
00:20:50.000 These are understandings that say, no, we're not agents directly of the Chinese Communist Party, but there is an expectation.
00:20:56.000 And we know the government is watching and monitoring our activity while we're here in the United States.
00:21:01.000 That number is staggeringly big.
00:21:04.000 And so we ought to rethink our policies.
00:21:06.000 You know, our universities today, every time we started to challenge this, Charlie, you can appreciate this.
00:21:10.000 Just like many elites on Wall Street, the university presidents would write letters saying, you don't understand my school can't survive.
00:21:16.000 These students pay full ticket price.
00:21:17.000 Full ticket price.
00:21:18.000 Even at a place that, think about Wichita State, the flagship university in my hometown of Wichita, Kansas, has an enormous capacity for Chinese grants that impact the school's ability to do engineering research and a whole lot of Chinese students.
00:21:32.000 We have to fundamentally rethink. 0.98
00:21:33.000 We have 11,000.
00:21:34.000 We have 360,000 here.
00:21:35.000 We have 11,000 Americans studying in China today.
00:21:38.000 Chinese students.
00:21:39.000 And then last, here's the other big lever that we could get our hands on very, very quickly.
00:21:45.000 Today, the financial community in the United States is so closely tied to the Chinese Communist Party.
00:21:52.000 We need to separate that. 0.92
00:21:53.000 The way to separate is just tell the Chinese when they invest in America, they're going to invest on the same terms we do in China. 0.98
00:22:00.000 They're not going to let us invest there. 0.98
00:22:01.000 And so we should then reciprocally deny them the capacity to do that.
00:22:05.000 Is this the Siffiest? 0.77
00:22:07.000 It's Siffius, but it's also even bigger than that.
00:22:10.000 It's about securities rules.
00:22:12.000 They're trading on an American market and not having to comply with Sarbanes-Oxley, the compliance rules that American companies, frankly, and European and African and Vietnamese companies, China has this big space where we let them get away with the absence of accountability.
00:22:26.000 We have pension funds, American pension funds investing in Chinese companies that are tied to the Chinese military apparatus.
00:22:26.000 Wow.
00:22:33.000 We should make that unlawful. 0.88
00:22:35.000 And these are just a handful of ideas that one could, an administration could do very quickly and would communicate to the Chinese Communist Party that we're no longer going to be your lapdog. 0.90
00:22:35.000 Yes. 0.90
00:22:45.000 We're no longer going to turn the other cheek.
00:22:47.000 We're going to impose enormous costs on your economy until such time as you conform to the set of understandings that are acceptable in the global space.
00:22:57.000 Run your country the way you want to, but we're going to make sure that everything that you do that impacts us, we're going to hold you accountable.
00:23:03.000 What would the longer term projects be for that?
00:23:06.000 The longer terms are confronting the global footprint that Xi Jinping, the leader in China, Belton Road, their increasing growth in their military, their ever-expanding nuclear capability.
00:23:18.000 Those are the central features. 0.57
00:23:19.000 And then lastly, we have to make sure that the whole world understands when China comes knocking on your door with a commercial offer that looks good, it's too good to be true.
00:23:28.000 You can bet on it. 0.70
00:23:29.000 It is about political control.
00:23:31.000 So that means to build friendships and alliances.
00:23:33.000 We had started this with the Japanese, with the Australians, with the South Koreans, with 1.4 billion people in India that says the West.
00:23:43.000 And I don't mean a direction, but I mean an idea.
00:23:45.000 Western values.
00:23:46.000 Western values.
00:23:47.000 Those with Western values who value free markets and democracy are going to work together to make sure that the Chinese Communist Party doesn't destroy the world in the way Xi Jinping wants to to create global hegemony for the Chinese Communist Party. 0.88
00:24:01.000 It is the single biggest risk outside of the United States to the next generation of Americans. 0.95
00:24:07.000 I mean, I totally agree. 0.99
00:24:08.000 So China is posturing right now over Taiwan, and Taiwan is a sovereign nation, and we should be unafraid to say that.
00:24:15.000 This administration seems to be kind of tap dancing around it.
00:24:19.000 I don't want to get my facts wrong, but they seem to just kind of be hedging.
00:24:22.000 This seems like a potential place of conflict.
00:24:25.000 Is it the United States' role to make sure that Chinese Communist Party forces don't take over Taiwan?
00:24:33.000 This administration has bought the Chinese narrative.
00:24:37.000 The Chinese talk about reunification of Taiwan.
00:24:40.000 It was never.
00:24:40.000 It was part of Crimea.
00:24:41.000 It was, yes, it was never.
00:24:42.000 It was never.
00:24:43.000 It was never part of China.
00:24:45.000 And what I hope is they've actually said some good things about Taiwan, but in the end, it's actions that Xi Jinping will watch.
00:24:51.000 We sold them F-16s.
00:24:53.000 We made soldiers told the Taiwanese F-16s.
00:24:56.000 We made clear that we were going to do all the things that were going to provide the Taiwanese people with the space and resources they need to defend themselves.
00:25:04.000 And then we made clear that we were going to have a Pacific fleet that was fully capable.
00:25:08.000 Yes.
00:25:09.000 I haven't seen this administration do that.
00:25:11.000 Their language is good, but you know this, Charlie.
00:25:13.000 You can't really tell what someone thinks until they get hit in the face.
00:25:16.000 Everyone's a hero to the government.
00:25:16.000 That's right.
00:25:17.000 And I think the Chinese are likely to find a place. 1.00
00:25:20.000 Maybe it's Taiwan where they hit us in the face. 1.00
00:25:22.000 And I hope this administration is prepared to come back over the top.
00:25:25.000 Well, I know you got to run.
00:25:26.000 You got a lot to do.
00:25:27.000 So thank you for being so generous with your time.
00:25:31.000 If you run in 2024, I'm talking.
00:25:33.000 You can listen. 0.91
00:25:34.000 I think China's going to be a major issue.
00:25:36.000 And I think you're better versed than almost anyone else to be able to understand that.
00:25:40.000 And you're a true conservative.
00:25:41.000 So I think it'd be very interesting to kind of see how that all works on the landscape.
00:25:45.000 And maybe the president runs and maybe not.
00:25:47.000 We'll see.
00:25:48.000 But I do think, though, the China issue is going to be like the Soviet issue was in the 80s. 0.83
00:25:52.000 I really do. 0.98
00:25:53.000 I hope that it is.
00:25:54.000 It's that important.
00:25:55.000 Because people talk about inflation.
00:25:56.000 They're talking about critical race theory and all that, all important. 1.00
00:25:58.000 The Chinese issue could be a truly material threat to our way of life. 1.00
00:26:01.000 Slash you. 1.00
00:26:02.000 Thanks for having me on Charlie. 0.82
00:26:03.000 Thanks so much.
00:26:03.000 Appreciate being with you.
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