The Charlie Kirk Show - A Kamala Harris Cui Bono? with Sen. Ron Johnson and Ben Weingarten

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00:00:01.000 Today in the Charlie Kirk show, Ben Weitgarten joins the program as we talk about the latest in the Biden documents.

00:00:07.000 And then Senator Ron Johnson, who I'm thrilled won his reelection, joins us as well.

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00:01:13.000 The midterms were definitely underwhelming.

00:01:16.000 But one of the victories that I was most thankful for, that I was pleased to see, was the reelection of Senator Ron Johnson from the great state of Wisconsin.

00:01:26.000 And boy, did he earn re-election.

00:01:29.000 A ton of money came in from out of state against him.

00:01:32.000 They spent early, and he won.

00:01:34.000 He won convincingly, and he has earned that seat.

00:01:37.000 He has been a terrific representative from Wisconsin on the issues that many senators have decided to run away from.

00:01:43.000 Senator Ron Johnson was early just asking questions about the vaccine safety, about vaccine efficacy, and he leaned into that even when he was 12 months out from an election cycle.

00:01:53.000 And I'm sure some consultants say stay away from it.

00:01:55.000 And he still won his election and he really earned it.

00:01:57.000 And Senator Ron Johnson joins us right now.

00:01:59.000 Senator, welcome back to the program.

00:02:01.000 Hello, Charlie.

00:02:02.000 Hope you're doing well.

00:02:03.000 I am.

00:02:03.000 Thank you.

00:02:03.000 So, Senator, let me ask you about the $1.7 trillion omnibus bill.

00:02:07.000 You did not vote for it, but it was very disappointing to see some of your colleagues rush this through.

00:02:13.000 I'd love your reaction to that and also your reaction to the new House rules that will hopefully prevent another omnibus of this size and this kind of a monstrosity ever from passing again.

00:02:24.000 I obviously was disappointed that we had so many Republican senators join with the Democrats to pass a bill that nobody read.

00:02:33.000 Nobody knows what all is in it.

00:02:35.000 They certainly understand some of the elements.

00:02:38.000 We as a conference, as Republican Senate conference, we have a resolution against earmarks.

00:02:46.000 And now there have been two pieces of legislation where we've signed up, or some of us have, up to the trough and accepted the earmarks and then gone back to our states and bragged about it.

00:02:57.000 So it's pretty repulsive.

00:02:59.000 There's certainly a group of us that fought pretty hard against it.

00:03:03.000 We tried to raise public awareness to try and deter our Republican colleagues from supporting it, but in the end they did.

00:03:10.000 You know, the day after my election, I wrote a piece that the Wall Street Journal ran.

00:03:15.000 This was hoping that we would have a majority in the Senate, and it just laid out this is how we ought to handle being the majority.

00:03:22.000 You can apply the same thing to the House.

00:03:24.000 And I think what the House did in their leadership, the battle over the speakership, they pretty well embraced an awful lot what I was talking about, passing a budget, return function to the Congress.

00:03:37.000 And you start doing that by passing a budget.

00:03:39.000 Hopefully it is a very conservative budget, coming as close to balance as possible, which we're tantalizingly close.

00:03:46.000 Charlie, I mean, just, I know people don't like numbers, but we had revenue of $4.9 trillion last year.

00:03:53.000 That's what we spent in 2019 before the pandemic.

00:03:57.000 But we've gone on this spending blowout where we're up to well over $6 trillion spending a year.

00:04:05.000 And there are people in both parties that are happy to do that.

00:04:08.000 But pass a budget as close to balance as possible.

00:04:12.000 If you can't balance it, okay, you're going to have to increase the debt ceiling.

00:04:15.000 We're not going to default under debt, but use the debt ceiling the way it was designed to be used.

00:04:21.000 Attach to it fiscal controls.

00:04:23.000 I laid out four pieces of legislation I'd like to see.

00:04:26.000 Preventing Government Shutdown Act, Full Faith and Credit, the Reigns Act, and then reduce the size of the federal government through attrition act.

00:04:34.000 Those would be four fiscal controls that if they would attach that to a debt ceiling increase, I'd vote for it.

00:04:41.000 And then use that budget to drive an appropriation process where you bring up these bills.

00:04:46.000 They'll still be massive.

00:04:48.000 They'll still be grotesque, but at least it'll give all of us an opportunity to take a look at what we're spending our money on in a more detailed way, more thoughtful way.

00:04:58.000 And hopefully we can avoid this, not even end of year.

00:05:02.000 It's into the next fiscal year where you're passing these mini-buses or omnibuses that, again, nobody reads.

00:05:08.000 It's negotiated by staff members of a few, the leadership, appropriation chairs and congressional and White House leadership.

00:05:19.000 And you get an up or down vote. 0.97

00:05:22.000 And generally, it's clogged, chock full of all kinds of crap that we should not be passing in the federal government. 0.97

00:05:28.000 Again, our system is completely broken here. 0.98

00:05:31.000 And it's unsustainable.

00:05:32.000 I mean, you've been talking about this for years.

00:05:33.000 The fiscal health of the nation is in dire straits.

00:05:37.000 And there's only so many things you can do.

00:05:40.000 It doesn't matter how creative your ruling elite think they are.

00:05:44.000 You can raise interest rates.

00:05:45.000 You can cut spending or raise taxes or inflate your way out.

00:05:48.000 That's about it.

00:05:50.000 There's not other options at your disposal.

00:05:52.000 And I'm afraid we're going to be left with no option but inflate our way out of this in a long-term growth cycle.

00:05:58.000 We're going to say, hey, you got to get used to 7% to 10% annual inflation, which would just be a catastrophe for the integrity of the U.S. dollar and for middle Americans in more ways than one. 0.92

00:06:08.000 So, Senator, I also want to ask you about this dialogue you had with Chuck Todd.

00:06:12.000 I thought you handled it really well.

00:06:13.000 And Chuck Todd couldn't, I mean, he just set you up so perfectly in a sense where he said, and I'm going to play the tape here.

00:06:19.000 Do you have a crime that you think Hunter Biden has committed?

00:06:22.000 And I just screamed at my TV.

00:06:24.000 I said, how much time you got, Chuck Todd?

00:06:25.000 My goodness.

00:06:26.000 Play Cut 46, and I want your reaction.

00:06:28.000 Do you have a crime that you think Hunter Biden committed?

00:06:31.000 Because I've yet to see anybody explain it is not a crime to make money off of your last name.

00:06:39.000 So, Chuck, you ought to read the Marco Polo report where they detail all kinds of potential crimes.

00:06:46.000 I mean, for Chuck Todd to say that is so incredible, whether it be illegal, unregistered foreign lobbying, money from the mayor of Moscow's wife, the Chinese stuff, not to mention just all the other domestic crimes that he might have committed.

00:06:58.000 Senator, your reaction.

00:07:00.000 Well, Chuck Todd didn't want to hear about that.

00:07:02.000 And that's where he started interrupting me once again.

00:07:05.000 Again, he doesn't call me on and invite me on his shows.

00:07:08.000 And by the way, he hasn't invited me on a show for two years because we had a similar discussion, I guess we'll call it, two years ago after January 6th, where, again, he accused me of being an arsonist.

00:07:20.000 I said, no, no, Chuck, you lit the fire.

00:07:23.000 It's a biased media that certainly conservatives understand are helping to inflame our politics.

00:07:29.000 So again, people like Chuck Todd, leftists, don't really want to hear the other side of the story.

00:07:36.000 They're so confident in their own liberal viewpoint that they don't really believe in free speech.

00:07:42.000 And so he's even though he's, you know, again, you're not going to see evidence if you never look for it.

00:07:47.000 And so the left never looks for wrongdoing on their part.

00:07:52.000 And so it was unfortunate.

00:07:54.000 I went on the show in good faith, hopefully to have a discussion, hopefully to be able to convey a conservative viewpoint to a broader audience.

00:08:03.000 And it's really kind of strange, too.

00:08:07.000 I don't recall too many times where you have a major news network anchor just completely insult a sitting U.S. Senator.

00:08:17.000 Go back into your little cocoon there.

00:08:19.000 It's like, give me a break.

00:08:21.000 I tried to respond with respect.

00:08:23.000 tried to respond with just the truth and integrity, but he was having nothing of it.

00:08:27.000 Well, I mean, you made Chuck Todd relevant for just a little period of time.

00:08:31.000 His ratings are in the gutter.

00:08:33.000 And I mean, look, you're exactly, you read the Marco Polo report.

00:08:36.000 I mean, if I'm not mistaken, 459 potential crimes that Hunter Biden violated.

00:08:40.000 Is that correct?

00:08:42.000 Well, that's, again, that's what he's laying out.

00:08:44.000 Again, I'm not saying that those are all correct, but what the Marco Polo report does is it just shows the contents of the Hunter Biden computer and is grotesque.

00:08:55.000 And one of the things I pointed out on the show, for example, this was in our report, Hunter Biden over the course of five months between 2018 and 2019 spent about $30,000.

00:09:06.000 This isn't all he spent. 0.53

00:09:07.000 This is over that timeframe on prostitutes associated with the Eastern European sex ring.

00:09:15.000 This is the same time when Joe Biden was offering to pay about $100,000 of Hunter Biden's expenses.

00:09:20.000 Now, I don't know.

00:09:21.000 I think soliciting prostitution is a crime.

00:09:25.000 And what is grotesque about it is, you know, these women that are in these sex trafficking rings are being sex trafficked.

00:09:35.000 You know, I don't think they're charging Hunter Biden thousands of dollars because they're doing it out of their own free will.

00:09:42.000 I mean, there's something happening here.

00:09:44.000 And when you're engaging in that, you are engaging in vile, vile behavior.

00:09:50.000 And apparently that doesn't really disturb people like Chuck Todd.

00:09:56.000 It should disturb everybody.

00:09:58.000 And Chuck Grassley and I tried to warn the American public prior to the 2020 election that if they elect Joe Biden, he's going to be a compromised president for a host of reasons.

00:10:07.000 I mean, because of the conduct of his son, because of the foreign financial entanglements, because of his family's ties to the Chinese government and what they knew about those ties.

00:10:18.000 And so now you have University of Pennsylvania takes over $50 million from Chinese donors.

00:10:26.000 And then 160 members of their faculty write a letter to Merrick Garland saying, you know, shut down the China Initiative, which was part of a justice program to investigate Chinese theft intellectual property.

00:10:37.000 And Merrick Garland shuts it down.

00:10:40.000 And we have a liberal media that just looks, if they even look at it, they just shrug, oh, nothing to see here.

00:10:46.000 There's all kinds of potential crime, all kinds of potential compromise that could definitely impact our national security.

00:10:53.000 But the mainstream press isn't worried about that.

00:10:55.000 They're just worried about Trump, And if you remember, the whole Russian inclusion hoax, the reason the media carried the water of that false narrative was all under the guise of, can you imagine how dangerous it'd be for America if an American president was compromised, those types of financial foreign entanglements?

00:11:16.000 Well, Trump wasn't.

00:11:17.000 Biden is big time.

00:11:20.000 And the mainstream media won't even cover it.

00:11:22.000 They won't touch it, but instead you have to be talked down to condescendingly by Chuck Todd.

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00:12:12.000 So, Senator, unfortunately, being in the Senate minority, you're not going to have as much power to be able to subpoena or to be able to cross-examine witnesses, but you'll still get some time.

00:12:24.000 Can you walk us through what your personal plans are to hold Fauci accountable and Walensky and the vaccine manufacturers?

00:12:32.000 Well, Charlie, you may or may not be aware.

00:12:34.000 I've already sent close to 50 different oversight letters on a host of issues.

00:12:40.000 One of the most troubling ones that I literally just got a back of the hand response was the end of December of 2021, where I was highlighting the apparent out-of-control manufacturing process where we show these hot lots.

00:12:56.000 Let me just quickly off some numbers.

00:12:57.000 So, for the flu vaccine, over 30 years, there's been one lot of flu vaccine that had 137 adverse events reported on the VAR system.

00:13:07.000 So, again, for the flu, one lot, 137 adverse events.

00:13:11.000 With the COVID vaccine, we have one lot that has 5,297 adverse events.

00:13:17.000 We have 186 lots with over 8,000 adverse events.

00:13:23.000 80% of all U.S. adverse events are associated with just 1% of the vaccine lots.

00:13:29.000 80% of serious adverse events are associated with about 5% of the lots.

00:13:33.000 Now, I come from manufacturing.

00:13:35.000 That is a manufacturing process on paper that looks completely out of control.

00:13:40.000 It took the FDA almost a year to get back to me.

00:13:44.000 And what they basically reported is the CDC, and they just said, well, we don't see any variation in lots.

00:13:49.000 Okay, well, their VAYER system right now is showing almost 1.5 million adverse events, 33,469 deaths.

00:13:59.000 By the way, 179 of those deaths are occurring within six-month to 17-year-olds.

00:14:06.000 26% of the deaths are occurring on day 0, 1, or 2 following vaccination.

00:14:11.000 So I realize they'll always say that the VAYER system is imperfect.

00:14:15.000 It doesn't prove causation, but that would concern me.

00:14:18.000 It's been concerning me since about March of 2021 when they'd already registered about 4,400 deaths.

00:14:24.000 So I'll keep pressing the case.

00:14:26.000 I may not be able to hold hearings, but what I've been able to do is bring some of these global experts, these doctors have had the courage and compassion to treat COVID patients and speak out.

00:14:37.000 I'll keep doing those events like I did last January in my COVID-19 second opinion event.

00:14:42.000 December, we had a follow-up where we talked about the vaccines and how they could possibly be causing injuries.

00:14:47.000 So, you know, Charlie, this is the main reason I ran.

00:14:50.000 Nobody was advocating for the vaccine injured.

00:14:53.000 Nobody's really admitting that there are vaccine injuries, and as a result, these people can't get help.

00:14:59.000 So I'm going to focus on this.

00:15:02.000 I'll and certainly help Jim George and James Coner as much as possible in their investigations.

00:15:08.000 We're actually writing up a report right now of how our investigation was sabotaged by people, for example, in the FBI, Democrat lawmakers, and others.

00:15:18.000 So we'll do everything we can to assist in the House oversight of the weaponization of the federal agencies, but I'm going to really focus on vaccine injuries and the travesty of our response to COVID.

00:15:34.000 Well, God bless you for that because there are not enough lawmakers that are doing that.

00:15:38.000 This should be a bipartisan issue.

00:15:40.000 It affects everybody.

00:15:42.000 And so, Senator, when you bring up theirs, their response is that, well, it's not accurate.

00:15:47.000 I think it's actually undercounted potentially because the process of filling out varies is not easy or simple.

00:15:53.000 It is a 30 to 45 minute process to go through that.

00:15:57.000 And now, Senator, we have this new wrinkle when it comes to some people are saying that the vaccine was not properly approved and the Moderna vaccine might even be put in, it's being put on pause in certain countries.

00:16:10.000 And so, Senator, one minute remaining, why is it that you are one of the few lawmakers that is willing to speak out or at least even ask questions about this topic?

00:16:21.000 Well, let's face it, everybody was on board with this, as was I.

00:16:24.000 I supported Operation War Speed.

00:16:26.000 She used far greater caution, but other members produced videos, pushing, certainly encouraging people to get the vaccine.

00:16:34.000 Doctors obviously asked their patients to do it.

00:16:37.000 Nobody wants to admit that maybe they should have exercised some more caution.

00:16:40.000 Maybe their advice caused harm.

00:16:43.000 So we're in an enormous state of denial nationwide, quite honestly.

00:16:49.000 But people have to recognize reality and people who've been vaccinated and injured, they need help.

00:16:54.000 And so we have to look at the truth.

00:16:55.000 We have to look at facts.

00:16:56.000 And that's certainly where I'm going to continue to pursue.

00:16:59.000 God bless you, Senator Johnson.

00:17:00.000 Congratulations again.

00:17:02.000 Please keep fighting.

00:17:03.000 And we really appreciate your conviction towards what is good.

00:17:06.000 Thank you so much.

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00:18:17.000 Joining us now is Ben Weitgarten from Real Clear Investigations.

00:18:20.000 Ben, welcome to the program.

00:18:22.000 We have actually not been covering the Biden document story nearly as much as the mainstream press or most conservative media.

00:18:29.000 Not that I don't believe it's important.

00:18:30.000 I just think other issues are actually more important, World Economic Forum and Davos.

00:18:34.000 And so I'll admit, I haven't been tracking this hour by hour.

00:18:37.000 Walk me through it.

00:18:38.000 Walk our audience through what is the latest.

00:18:40.000 There's a special counsel.

00:18:41.000 What do we know?

00:18:42.000 And we'll go from there.

00:18:44.000 Yeah, and I think, incidentally, there's a link here between this story and the WEF and some of the broader themes that you focus on, which is that we have, once again, the national security and law enforcement apparatus in effect interfering in our domestic politics at the highest level is with dueling special counsels.

00:19:07.000 And it hasn't really been framed this way, but dueling special counsels into two leading candidates for the presidency in 2024 on virtually the same grounds, although obviously significant differences over the classification authority that each of these men have.

00:19:24.000 Of course, Donald Trump, then outgoing president versus Joe Biden, then outgoing vice president when these documents were reportedly taken.

00:19:32.000 Where we are now is that we now know that Joe Biden appears to have had classified documents that he had no right to take when he left the office of the vice presidency back in 2017, not only discovered at the Penn Biden Center, but also in his garage at his Delaware residence, as well as I think elsewhere in that residence.

00:19:54.000 We know that purportedly these documents were first uncovered at the Penn Biden Center by his personal lawyers mere days before the midterm elections.

00:20:04.000 That's your first hint that this is suspect.

00:20:06.000 We're also, of course, talking about documents that were removed six years later, now all of a sudden being found by personal lawyers and why they were moving these documents two years after he had entered the presidency at the Penn Biden Center.

00:20:21.000 Of course, very questionable.

00:20:23.000 A couple other points I would make about the timeline because I think it's important context here.

00:20:28.000 The Biden paper's revelations, despite federal authorities knowing about them back in November, did not become publicly known until literally the first business day after Republicans got their house in order.

00:20:42.000 That is after Kevin McCarthy was elected speaker.

00:20:46.000 We knew, of course, that the Republican House would be probing Biden and the deep state.

00:20:50.000 So the second day after that House is seated with McCarthy as Speaker, the House votes to create this new church-style subcommittee at House Judiciary.

00:21:00.000 Of course, that subcommittee is focused on the targeting of conservatives by the DOJ and FBI, which would include, of course, the Mar-a-Lago raid and the rest of the jihad against Trump.

00:21:11.000 Just two days after that committee is established, what does the deep state do?

00:21:15.000 They create a special counsel to look into Joe Biden over the very same thing they putatively were raiding Donald Trump over, which is this handling of classified documents.

00:21:25.000 I'll add one more point on the timeline to add to some intrigue because I've written about kind of viable theories about what's going on here.

00:21:32.000 It just so happens that, of course, a president can actually serve 10 years if they replace a seated president for the last two years and then get elected twice.

00:21:43.000 So, of course, we're now just about at the two plus year mark of Joe Biden's presidency.

00:21:49.000 And if he were to be shunted aside the day after January 20th, then Kamala Harris could assume that office and she could theoretically be president 10 years.

00:21:58.000 Now, however improbable it is to imagine her actually getting elected president, the option is there.

00:22:04.000 And so what I've looked into is, you know, look at that timeline and tell me that this doesn't smell beyond fishy.

00:22:10.000 It just so happens we're finding these documents and Joe Biden is now being probed by the DOJ on the very same grounds that the DOJ was probing Donald Trump.

00:22:19.000 And then look to who benefits by pursuing Joe Biden.

00:22:23.000 And that's what I lay out in this article at the Epoch Times today.

00:22:25.000 Yeah, and that's the old Latin phrase, qui buono, who benefits, right?

00:22:30.000 So I'm going to ask you about that in a second, but I've said this before.

00:22:34.000 I don't think this is a good law.

00:22:36.000 I say that for Trump and Biden.

00:22:37.000 It's kind of like a deep state landmine that can be detonated at any time to take you out.

00:22:43.000 Because, I mean, okay, these are documents.

00:22:45.000 And now Joe Biden was vice president.

00:22:47.000 He mishandled them.

00:22:47.000 He was sloppy with them.

00:22:49.000 And Trump had its Secret Service protected.

00:22:51.000 But the essence of it is we're going to be able to come after you because we don't like you.

00:22:55.000 It doesn't feel constitutionally robust in any way, shape, or form, as if this kind of shadow government can go find some sort of criminal code, USC, whatever, and be like, we don't like you.

00:23:08.000 We're going to take you out.

00:23:09.000 Obviously, I lose no sleep the fact that Joe Biden is being targeted.

00:23:13.000 But answer the question, though, who does benefit from a crossfire operation against Joe Biden?

00:23:21.000 Well, yeah.

00:23:22.000 And also, you're absolutely right.

00:23:23.000 This has been weaponized before to go after people handling of classified documents that the regime does not like.

00:23:30.000 And it's also worth noting, they come up with all sorts of pretexts to go after people they don't like.

00:23:34.000 Look back to Farah, of course, foreign agent registration.

00:23:37.000 It was never used since the 1930s and or like a bunch of Cubans in like the 1990s, they used it.

00:23:43.000 And then Michael Flynn, right?

00:23:44.000 One after the other.

00:23:45.000 More laws, the less justice, as Cicero would say.

00:23:48.000 Continue.

00:23:50.000 So to who benefits from this, the obvious is if you believe that Joe Biden's useful life as a vassal for the entire radical progressive agenda is just about over, you don't really have use for him anymore now with a Republican House that in theory, let's hope is going to completely stonewall and stop the Biden agenda.

00:24:13.000 And with how bad a look he has generally and the baggage around him as the figurehead for your party, now would obviously be a good time to say, step aside, Joe, or potentially we could unleash a barrage of far more damaging things on you if we're really going to have the DOJ and FBI probing you, or at minimum, do not run in 2024.

00:24:34.000 And of course, we've seen reports talking about how Biden intends to run in 2024.

00:24:39.000 Holding this over Joe Biden's head, particularly, let's note when the New York Times literally within hours of when we just started hearing about the Biden papers did a new fresh report on how Hunter Biden's prosecution itself may be in the final stages.

00:24:55.000 If you hold this over Joe Biden's head, there's a lot of leverage here to either get him A, to step aside, which some Democrats would probably like, Kamala Harris would probably like it, B, to get him not to run in 2024, or C, to simply say this, Joe, Hunter Biden is facing prosecution here.

00:25:12.000 We obviously have infinitely more dirt just on your laptop alone, which we've been sitting on for years.

00:25:17.000 So wouldn't you want to walk away on the relative slap on the wrist here of being probed over mishandling of classified documents than actually go down the road of having the deep state sicked on you six ways from Sunday, as Chuck Schumer infamously said about Donald Trump?

00:25:33.000 So there's obvious reasons why Democrats would stand to benefit.

00:25:37.000 And for the deep state, this provides a substantial leverage.

00:25:39.000 But for the deep state itself, it has a much deeper vested interest here beyond the fact that obviously now has substantial control over the 2024 race, obviously by having these dueling special counsels.

00:25:52.000 Of course, I think the timing is significant.

00:25:54.000 You know that the FBI and DOJ are the primary targets of this weaponization subcommittee.

00:25:59.000 So what do they do to try to staunch that blow to try and deflect from the idea that they were targeting conservatives?

00:26:07.000 Well, of course, they say we're going to open up an investigation into Joe Biden on the very same grounds that you were going to be probing us over Donald Trump and raiding Mar-a-Lago.

00:26:17.000 So look, we play both sides the same way and on the same grounds, of course.

00:26:22.000 So even if the American people don't buy that, consider that now that the special counsels are engaging in these probes, you can imagine how much they will stonewall Republicans seeking to investigate these ongoing investigations.

00:26:36.000 Beyond that, think about this.

00:26:38.000 If the case against Donald Trump is pretty weak on mishandling of classified documents, and you know this was a pretext to begin with to get this shock and awe raid at Mar-a-Lago with a show me the man, I'll show you the crime sort of justice system.

00:26:52.000 Now, if you know you can't really make the case that was a legitimate raid and it was really over classified documents, you can ultimately say we are going to act fairly impartially and independently and drop any such charges against Donald Trump, but also drop them against Joe Biden.

00:27:07.000 See, we treated Democrats and Republicans equally here, but we will prosecute Donald Trump on a whole slew of other charges, including potentially obstruction or charges related to January 6th and the 2020 election.

00:27:19.000 So provide substantial optionality here.

00:27:21.000 And let's note something that I raise in my piece.

00:27:24.000 This isn't the first time that the DOJ slash FBI and other agencies, by the way, have been probing two candidates in an election.

00:27:31.000 Of course, in 2016, while you know the deep state did not want Donald Trump to be president at all costs, and they exonerated Hillary Clinton early with Jim Comey drafting the exoneration early, still in the waning days of that race, note that they raised Anthony Weiner's laptop and the emails on that laptop, much to Hillary Clinton's chagrin.

00:27:52.000 They played at both sides.

00:27:54.000 They hedged their bets.

00:27:55.000 And I think you have to look to how does the DOJ, FBI, and broader national security and law enforcement apparatus benefit here.

00:28:03.000 And I think it's clear that they're showing that they are superior essentially to the current president and that they ought to have their say over who the next president is, no matter what.

00:28:12.000 And that speaks to how damaging and disturbing it is when you have what's supposed to be a republic, but an unelected fourth branch of government that wields total power.

00:28:23.000 And as we've seen with the Twitter files and lots of other interventions, is integrally intertwined with our domestic political.

00:28:31.000 They've become the sovereign and it's not sustainable.

00:28:34.000 I want to ask about this piece here.

00:28:36.000 Critical questions for a church-style weaponization committee.

00:28:39.000 Walk us through it.

00:28:40.000 Yeah, the church-style committee is something that I've been advocating for some time.

00:28:46.000 All of the elements of the war on wrong things that our national security and law enforcement apparatus have been engaged in.

00:28:52.000 It's such a vast regime that has run roughshod over so many of our most fundamental rights.

00:29:00.000 And so naturally, given how powerful that regime is, I think it behooves leadership, starting with Jim Jordan, chair of the House Judiciary Committee under which the subcommittee is going to sit.

00:29:11.000 And I believe he's chairing this committee as well, to be very not only strategic and thoughtful, but as tenacious as the left was with the January 6th committee, except in this case, in pursuing actual transparency and accountability and then getting to legislative remedies with real teeth around how you prevent the total corruption, hyper-politicization, and weaponization of this apparatus from ever happening again.

00:29:37.000 And so what I lay out in this piece are just a few simple questions that I think ought to guide the thinking as this committee comes to fruition.

00:29:46.000 Starting with who is going to staff this thing?

00:29:48.000 Because personnel is policy and the pressure the staffers and not only the members, the House members who are going to sit on it, but their personnel are going to be under is going to be immense if they actually start getting towards the truth about the whole size, scope, and nature of the weaponization of the apparatus.

00:30:06.000 You know, I write in the piece essentially that if every member is treated just like Devin Nunes was on the House Intelligence Committee and that they're surveilled by the DOJ, just like Kash Patel, we recently found out was, then you'll know that the members and the staffers are doing their job here.

00:30:21.000 Beyond that, there has to be prioritization because there are just so many different areas where we've seen such asinine and brazen acts of, frankly, intimidation and targeting that they need to be laser focused on a few major things, I believe, rather than trying to grab everything under the state.

00:30:38.000 What do you think those should be?

00:30:39.000 Yeah, to my mind, it's obvious, of course, that this censorship regime that we've seen enacted between the deep state, big tech, and not just the social media platforms, but tech companies writ large is a huge one.

00:30:53.000 Because if you are violating the First Amendment and they did that repeatedly, then all the other amendments ultimately fail if that's gone.

00:31:00.000 So that's obviously number one.

00:31:03.000 I do think that the targeting of wrong thinkers using essentially war on terrorism authorities against domestic dissidents, wrong thinkers in this country is a massive category.

00:31:18.000 You could go a lot of different directions with that.

00:31:20.000 Look, frankly, because John Durham, I don't think, really exposed what happened at Russia Gate.

00:31:24.000 Russia Gate itself could be the focus of this thing.

00:31:26.000 I'm not saying that that should necessarily be the focus.

00:31:29.000 But look, we can talk about targeting of January 6ers and then perhaps even the DOJ's coordination with Democrats, with the January 6th committee, making process punishment there and then referring those purported prosecutable acts to authorities could certainly be encompassed under it.

00:31:47.000 You know, you can obviously look at targeting pro-lifers, not targeting those who would firebomb them.

00:31:53.000 There are so many different areas.

00:31:54.000 So I think it's really incumbent to prioritize just a few.

00:31:57.000 And I've named some of the leading ones, I think, there.

00:32:01.000 And then beyond that, you have to be ready for the counter assault.

00:32:04.000 And we've already seen, go back to Mar-a-Lago.

00:32:08.000 We've already seen the attack on anyone who would dare touch on these areas and want to expose deep state corruption.

00:32:13.000 So you have to anticipate that they're going to come at you with everything they possibly have.

00:32:17.000 So they really need to think through very carefully how they get around the obstruction, the stonewalling, and then the information onslaught they're going to be under.

00:32:25.000 We call that the labyrinth of their creation.

00:32:27.000 It's the fourth branch of government maze, trapdoors, smokes and mirrors.

00:32:31.000 They got to be ready for it.

00:32:32.000 Thanks so much, Ben.

00:32:33.000 Great commentary as always.

00:32:34.000 Thank you.

00:32:35.000 Thanks for having me.

00:32:37.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:32:38.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:32:41.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - January 18, 2023

A Kamala Harris Cui Bono? with Sen. Ron Johnson and Ben Weingarten

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