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00:01:58.000Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:00.000With us is one of the most amazing people in Washington, D.C. He's a fighter, and I'm just going to tell you his new book right off the bat.
00:03:06.000The biggest complaint I get from voters is the fact Republicans go to D.C. and we win elections, but then they become somebody totally different in committee and especially on votes.
00:03:16.000And it's as if they tell their voters what they want to hear and then they don't actually do what they say they're going to do.
00:03:25.000That phenomenon does happen, I think, all too often.
00:03:28.000My attitude is we make this job too complicated.
00:03:30.000What did you tell the voters you were going to do when you put your name on the ballot and you went out and campaigned?
00:03:36.000If they elect you, you should probably just go do what they elected you to do, do what you said you would do.
00:03:42.000But the real reason that people don't do that, I think, is because it's just easier.
00:03:46.000You get here and the mainstream press comes after you, the bureaucracy comes after you, the establishment, the swamp, pick whatever term you want.
00:03:54.000It's just easier to keep your head down and not have to face the mainstream press saying bad things about you or lying about you.
00:04:02.000But my attitude is: look, I tell this to guys in the Freedom Caucus, I tell to my colleagues, if the mainstream press isn't saying something bad about you, you're probably not doing anything any good.
00:04:12.000So just get used to that and understand that's what it's going to be like if you're actually going to fight for the things that make America the greatest country ever.
00:04:38.000And, you know, you're from Ohio, so you know all about that whole operation, but he almost declared war on the conservative wing of the Republican Party.
00:04:47.000And it seems as if there is a greater platform for conservatives now.
00:04:51.000So let's talk about what will happen if Republicans take back the House of Representatives, which it looks like that is almost imminent.
00:05:46.000If we win, the second part of your question, Charlie, if we win, it's going to be tough to pass anything because Joe Biden will still be in the White House.
00:05:54.000But I do think we can do our constitutional obligation, which is the proper oversight, do the kind of investigations that need to happen in every single committee.
00:06:03.000I mean, think about the ways and means committees should try to figure out how did thousands of Americans' tax returns become public.
00:06:09.000The Oversight and Judiciary Committee, we should be working together to figure out all the whole Dr. Fauci gain of function, lab leak theory, everything else.
00:06:17.000We should be looking at the Department of Justice, which is sick, the FBI counterterrorism division on moms and dad.
00:06:23.000So there's lots of investigations where we need to get the truth to the American people.
00:06:28.000So I think we'll see a lot of focus there and appropriately so if in fact we win and take back the House and the Senate.
00:06:34.000Well, I'm pleased to hear that because we've been saying on our show that the mandate needs to be that we're going to take back the House and it's not going to happen in one election cycle.
00:06:44.000We still have the regime in the White House.
00:06:46.000We're going to find out where this virus came from.
00:06:48.000We're going to find out why we gave $85 billion to the Taliban.
00:06:52.000We're going to find out why the Department of Justice went after James O'Keefe in an early morning raid for a diary.
00:06:59.000And I think what we're getting at, Congressman, is that the American people want answers.
00:07:04.000Because the system our founders gave us, as you know, is so brilliant, but oversight has been so lacking of these federal bureaucracies and these agencies.
00:07:13.000Can you talk a little bit about kind of what it's been like under Pelosi's regime, especially the last couple of years?
00:07:20.000You've been in Congress, you know, now under Republican control, Democrat control.
00:07:24.000You guys don't even get to say anything in some of these committee meetings.
00:07:37.000Democrats have given us increased crime.
00:07:40.000They've given us record inflation and they've given us Dr. Fauci, right?
00:07:44.000Americans, and you think about all the bad policies.
00:07:48.000What scares me more than anything is when you think about freedom, what the Democrats have done in the last year to the First Amendment, to the most basic liberties we have, the very First Amendment, the Bill of Rights of the Constitution.
00:08:17.000And you're right, Speaker Pelosi has kicked people off a committee.
00:08:20.000She didn't allow the minority leader to put people on the select committee that's January 6th, this completely political operation they've got over there.
00:08:30.000It's unprecedented action she has taken.
00:08:33.000So I think the American people see it for what it is.
00:08:38.000And that's why we're going to win, I think, in November.
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00:09:39.000So, you know, when Newt Gingrich on the program, Newt said that if we take back the House, we can't go back to business as usual.
00:09:46.000We're going to have to kind of make Pelosi feel some of the pain she inflicted on Republicans, meaning that, you know what, you might not get committee assignments.
00:10:00.000We might have a Fauci virus commission and all this.
00:10:02.000You know, if you're chairman of the Judiciary Committee, is there going to be, you know, I know it's an if and if and if, and I understand all that, but just a lot of voters, they kind of want to hear, like, hey, is it going to be equal time for Nadler and you?
00:10:16.000I mean, or is it going to be like, hey, we're in charge now.
00:10:18.000We're going to go find out what's actually happened.
00:10:20.000So today in committee offered a resolution to subpoena documents from the Attorney General, the FBI director, the Secretary of Education, and the president of the School Boards Association who sent the initial letter on September 29th that began this whole episode of targeting parents, putting a threat tag on moms and dads.
00:10:38.000So the chairman said, nope, we're not going to take up the resolution to subpoena those documents.
00:10:43.000So if we're in charge, we will subpoena those documents.
00:10:59.000I think they just wanted the letter as an excuse, as a pretext to do what they wanted to do, which was target parents and chill the speech of moms and dads because they didn't like that political growth they were seeing out there.
00:11:11.000So it was much like the letter was exactly like the dossier in the Trump Russia investigation, where Jim Comey wanted to go after President Trump, wanted to spawn his campaign.
00:11:31.000And God bless this whistleblower who came forward with his email that shows that Tim Langin, head of the counterterrorism division at the FBI, sent out this email putting this, saying to FBI agents around the country, put this threat tag on parents, this designation, used counterterrorism measures to go after mom's dad.
00:12:14.000Used to be the number one question I would get.
00:12:17.000I always recall this, I think I was in the Tulsa airport and I come walking out of the restroom and there's some big guy with a big cowboy hat.
00:12:24.000He's like staring at me and he walked up and I was a little nervous because he come walking right up to me and that's exactly what he said.
00:12:29.000He just pointed at me and says, when is someone going to jail?
00:12:32.000Because American people are so sick of the double standard.
00:12:34.000But I walked through the big investigations that I had the privilege of serving, you know, being a part of as a member of the Judiciary Committee, the Oversight Committee.
00:12:43.000I talk about when the IRS targeted folks that watch your show.
00:12:48.000I talked about when I was on the Benghazi committee, what happened there and the information we had to get and the whole email server in Hillary Clinton.
00:12:54.000And then, of course, I get into the impeachment issue and the Trump-Russian investigations and all those things where Adam Schiff told us a bunch of baloney and I walk them through all those.
00:13:04.000So that's kind of what I think the readers will enjoy reading sort of, again, the behind the scenes stuff that happens when you do these big investigations.
00:13:13.000And you point out that Lois Lerner was targeting people and yet she gets her pension and it's never had a consequence at all for the action she took against American citizens.
00:13:25.000And so do you think that what's one of the ways we could structurally change this?
00:13:30.000I mean, I get this question all the time too.
00:13:32.000And the problem is it creates cynicism and then it creates these show trials where it's like, oh, we're going to keep people in solitary confinement because they went in and took selfies at the Capitol.
00:13:42.000And look, we denounced the violence on that day.
00:13:46.000But we want an equal application of justice, obviously.
00:13:49.000And you have these people that are in solitary confinement in Gitmo style conditions.
00:13:55.000And yet, meanwhile, you have James Comey and Hillary Clinton and let alone Hunter Biden, who could do whatever he wants to do, sell massive pieces of art.
00:14:04.000Is there something Congress can do about that if you take it, you know, take back the House?
00:14:08.000Or is this just kind of a more structural DOJ thing?
00:14:15.000We can have the hearings, get the facts and the evidence to the American people.
00:14:19.000But in the end, it requires a Justice Department with the proper leadership to enforce the law and to hold people accountable.
00:14:28.000And frankly, to not do things they shouldn't.
00:14:30.000And, you know, we got all the examples where Hillary Clinton gets to testify on the July 4th weekend, but James O'Keefe, as you pointed out earlier, he gets his apartment raided and they take his phone and everything else, it looks like, come in and do all they do.
00:14:45.000Or the couple who weren't at the January 6th rally, who in Alaska, they had the wrong couple.
00:14:51.000They come up and hold them at handcuff and question them, interrogate them for hours.
00:14:56.000I mean, that's the kind of stuff that just is not supposed to happen in the United States of America.
00:15:01.000So our job is to draw attention to it, do the proper oversight.
00:15:05.000But in the end, the executive branch has to hold them accountable.
00:15:08.000They're the only ones that can dight anyone, can indict anyone and take them to trial.
00:15:18.000You take your brother's cookie, a classmate cuts in line, the bully cheats at kickball on the playground.
00:15:24.000You instinctively recognize each event as unfair.
00:15:27.000What you articulate in this book really well is the yearning of the human soul towards justice.
00:15:32.000We are always trying to point towards what is just and what is good.
00:15:37.000And we're getting away from that in a variety of different ways, whether it be an overemphasis on skin color as trying to be a factor in whether or not you should get sentencing or justice administered towards that.
00:15:50.000And I think that the hand the Democrats are playing is one that is wildly unpopular with the American people.
00:15:58.000So maybe you congressman can help explain something for me.
00:16:00.000I asked this of our good friend Mark Meadows.
00:16:04.000I asked this of Newt Gingrich, and everyone has different answers, which is why is it that the House Democrats, the Senate Democrats, and the Biden regime, they are not adjusting as the poll numbers decrease.
00:16:16.000Why is it it seems as if they're getting more radical and accelerating the more backlash they get from the American people?
00:17:09.000And the words that you associate with America, you just talked about them in my book, are freedom and fairness, the freedom to chase down your goals and your dreams in a fair, equal playing field, equal competition, where if you work hard, you have a goal, you have a dream, you can make it happen in this country.
00:17:24.000That's what this country offers its citizens.
00:17:26.000And the Democrats say, no, no, no, everyone's a victim.
00:17:43.000You thank the good Lord you live here.
00:17:45.000I mean, I tell people Moscow in February, it's like 500 below zero.
00:17:50.000I mean, it's the coldest place in the world.
00:17:52.000And you thank the good Lord you live in this great country where you have freedom.
00:17:56.000And that's what concerns me more than anything else.
00:17:59.000So I think it's, remember during impeachment, the one professor the Democrats brought in in the hearings, she said, conservatives, conservatives spread.
00:18:24.000And that's what is just so wrong about where the left is today.
00:18:30.000Did you know that if you shop at Nike, they turn around and give your hard-earned dollars to pro-abortion groups like Planned Parenthood and the Population Council?
00:18:39.000Did you know that Airbnb gave $500,000 to the Marxist BLM incorporated organization?
00:18:47.000Your first vote is at the ballot box, but that isn't enough to defend our traditional Judeo-Christian values.
00:18:54.000Left-wing corporations are subverting our nation and our republic by taking money from conservative customers and giving it to radical organizations that support abortion, gun control, and critical race theory.
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00:20:56.000Yeah, and there's a lot of different ways to kind of go about that, which is, you know, how sustainable is the American project if half the country hates us, right?
00:22:34.000It used to be the left, the true left 10, 20 years ago championed the First Amendment, championed free speech.
00:22:40.000Now they want to squelch any speech that they don't agree with.
00:22:44.000And that I think is in the end the biggest threat to our country because if you can't talk, if you can't speak in a political fashion, none of your other rights matter.
00:22:55.000You can't petition your government if you're afraid to speak out.
00:22:58.000And that's what the left's going after now.
00:23:00.000That's why what you're doing with young people across this country is so darn important because you are standing up for speech and then going to the most tough, difficult places, going to college campuses and doing it.
00:23:10.000That's why I applaud what you're doing.
00:23:17.000If we can't communicate, then it prevents us from being fully human.
00:23:22.000One of the issues that you've been focusing on and that others have is the issue of tech censorship.
00:23:28.000Five years ago, it would have been considered to be a thought crime in Republican circles to say that we want to break up a private company.
00:23:35.000Five or six years ago, that would have been unthinkable.
00:23:38.000I now think we should break these companies up with a sledgehammer and make them suffer and punish them, but I'm not a politician.
00:23:45.000What is the path forward for big tech?
00:23:49.000There's got to be a legislative and a market issue.
00:23:51.000Obviously, Rumble has come out really nicely, Rumble.com.
00:23:57.000What's the path forward when it comes towards big tech?
00:24:00.000When we get back in power and we get President Trump back in the White House, we should, first of all, get rid of their liability protection, Section 230.
00:24:10.000Just take that liability protection away.
00:24:12.000Second, you got to get antitrust issues to this highest court in a much faster, much quicker fashion.
00:24:18.000It's because Justice Thomas has seemed to indicate he wants to deal with this issue.
00:24:22.000So let's get it to the Supreme Court and let the court make a decision on the antitrust concerns.
00:24:26.000The Trump administration brought antitrust actions against Google and Facebook.
00:24:31.000So we would like to get those to the Supreme Court in an expedited way to get answers.
00:24:36.000And then we need to give individuals greater ability to bring a private right of action when their speech gets censored on these big tech platforms because the big platforms now are equivalent to the public square.
00:24:47.000I mean, it's where we talk, where we debate.
00:24:51.000And then finally, the fourth component is what you just referenced.
00:24:55.000And of course, the news this week was Devin Nunes, a great member of Congress, a great friend of yours and mine, is going to be leaving Congress to head up the social media entity that President Trump and business people have created to provide that alternative to the big tech and the left who are censoring conservatives.
00:25:16.000So all four of those things have to happen, and that's got to be our path forward.
00:25:20.000Yeah, and my only regret with the Devin thing is I would have loved to see him be chairman of, is it oversight?
00:25:32.000Sure, did he go down because the Russia thing was unchallenged before Congressman Nunes really got into the weeds there with Kash Patel and they're trying to make cash pay for what he actually uncovered.
00:27:11.000So that's what we have to focus on, securing the border before we move forward on any other question relative to immigration.
00:27:18.000Well, and just, you know, it would be nice to have a little oversight from the House.
00:27:23.000Hey, how many people are waltzing into our country?
00:27:26.000And, you know, meanwhile, we're supposed to care about some sort of Russian-Ukrainian border dispute, which, again, I have really no passion on either side.
00:27:34.000But it's just so funny to see establishment Republicans and Democrats get so angry that Ukraine's borders might be compromised while our borders remain totally porous and wide open.
00:27:44.000And so you have a whole chapter on immigration, and then you talk about impeachment and then COVID-19.
00:27:50.000And then you just kind of have a whole chapter on America.
00:27:52.000For the time we have remaining, just kind of summarize a little bit towards the end of the book, the arguments you make and kind of the call to action for all the readers.
00:28:31.000But then, you know, I will walk them through kind of behind the scenes, what happened in impeachment.
00:28:35.000One of the stories that I relate is when my friends Steve Scalise and Matt Gates stormed the bunker in the basement of the Capitol when Adam Schiff was doing the depositions and hearings for impeachment of the president of the United States in a secret room where the country couldn't see and kind of what happened there and Schiff's reaction.
00:28:54.000And also, that's the part I think they'll enjoy.
00:28:56.000I also talk a lot about a lot about how we formed the Freedom Caucus and why we did it because John Boehner at the time just was not doing what we told the voters we were going to do relative to Obamacare, relative to Planned Parenthood, relative to spending and other policies, and why we formed the group and then sort of some of the big moments that we had with the early on with the Freedom Caucus.
00:29:35.000I wrote it all out long handle on yellow legal pads.
00:29:37.000And so I think they'll enjoy the behind the scenes look.
00:29:40.000Well, and so many of the superstars that we see, Mark Meadows was the chairman of the Freedom Caucus, if I'm not mistaken, all kind of came from there.
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00:32:05.000And then in these open seats, we're trying to find that conservative candidate who's willing to come here and do what they said they would do, do what the voters elected them to do, fight for the principles that make our country great.
00:32:16.000So we're looking at candidates all over the country and all these open seats as well.
00:32:19.000But as far as incumbents go, I really think of Yvette and Scott is at the top of the list.
00:32:51.000Can you talk about how important the primaries are?
00:32:54.000Because sometimes Republicans don't always focus on them because we need more members of the Freedom Caucus, especially if we're going to win the House by 40 or 50 seats.
00:33:02.000I think it's going to be like 60 to 70.
00:33:04.000I think it's going to be an absolute wipe the floor, a generation type election.
00:33:08.000If that's the case, though, we want to make sure that we have people that really believe in what we believe in.
00:33:16.000Well, no, that's the whole reason behind.
00:33:17.000We have this outside organization, the House Freedom Fund, that we don't control.
00:33:21.000We can't determine the endorsements, but that group is totally focused on the situation you just described.
00:33:27.000Republican leaning seats in a primary.
00:33:29.000Let's make sure we get the conservative candidate in there, the candidate that's most likely to be a part of the Freedom Caucus and fight for the things that we all care about.
00:33:37.000So we spend some time looking at candidates, but in the end, the outside group has to make the determination who they're going to endorse.
00:33:45.000But yeah, that's the kind of race we look at.
00:33:49.000We had a race in Georgia a couple years ago where in this primary, there were some candidates, but the House Freedom Fund got behind Marjorie Taylor Greene and she winds up winning that race and is a great member of Congress.
00:34:01.000So and others, Mary Miller in Illinois, same thing.
00:34:06.000So number of races where we've picked that kind of candidate in those kind of situations.
00:34:11.000And they're now member of Congress and maybe just as importantly, a member of the House Freedom Caucus.
00:35:00.000And he did it in spite of every Democrat against him, everyone in the mainstream press against him, everyone in the bureaucracy against him, which is the part we forget sometimes.
00:35:08.000That's where the power is in this crazy town.
00:35:10.000And then a bunch of Republicans against him.
00:35:12.000But in spite of all that, he said he'd cut taxes.
00:35:44.000In light of what we've now learned about how the left is using schools and teaching this crazy hate America, racist curriculum called CRT and what happened in Virginia.
00:35:56.000I don't think anyone should support any candidate who's not for school choice.
00:36:00.000If they're not for school choice, if they're not for saying to moms and dads, you should be able to decide where your son or daughter gets the best education.
00:36:07.000Even if they're Republican, don't support them unless they're a Republican who supports school choice.
00:36:13.000Make that almost a litmus test because it is so fundamental to the future of our country.
00:36:19.000And we need to have a counter move against the public sector teacher unions and the cartel and their collusion with the National School Board Association, Department of Justice, and all that.
00:36:29.000It is an issue that is breaking the back of the Democrat regime.
00:36:32.000Congressman Jim Jordan, do what you said you're going to do.
00:36:34.000Pretty easy title to remember and a great book.