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00:02:34.000Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show, joined by my friend and total American patriot, Rich Higgins, author of the memo, a terrific book that everyone should pick up.
00:02:46.00020 Years Inside the Deep State, Fighting for America First.
00:02:50.000Rich, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:04:03.000And so there's a natural inclination in these institutions that have tremendous resourcing, tremendous amount of authority.
00:04:12.000I mean, the Defense Department alone spends $700 billion a year.
00:04:16.000Most people can't even comprehend that type of money.
00:04:18.000And so there's a natural sort of belief that takes root that you can do what you need to do and you respond to the people over you.
00:04:29.000I think though what's happened, particularly in the past really 30, 40 years, but it really came to the forefront during the Obama administration is that craven opportunists like Hillary Clinton got themselves into positions where they were able to put their own networks inside of these institutions and then wield power within the institutional bureaucracy through corruption,
00:04:55.000graft, political pressure, blackmail, et cetera.
00:04:59.000And so much of what President Trump has been doing for the past couple of years has been battling this residual corruption.
00:05:06.000So you write about this in the book, The Memo.
00:05:31.000Clearly, it was Hillary Clinton's political.
00:05:35.000What shocked us was that after November 8th, the operation seemed to intensify.
00:05:43.000And, you know, I had worked in the Pentagon for a number of years in the black operations world where we would do things like what we were seeing happen to President-elect Trump and then President Trump.
00:05:53.000We would do things like this to Saddam Hussein, for example, where we would leak his transcripts or leak the transcripts of his generals plotting against him.
00:06:03.000And yet we see with President Trump, they were leaking his phone calls to the president of Mexico, his phone calls to the president of Australia.
00:06:10.000And so we began to say, well, what's really happening here?
00:06:12.000Well, several of us at the National Security Council saw what was going on and the new movie How Plot Against the President elaborates on this.
00:06:19.000We began looking at, okay, what's really going on here?
00:06:22.000And in an effort to warn the president and then some of the people I'd met around the campaign, some of your friends, right, Don Jr. and others, wrote a memo that basically laid out what I thought was the scope of what was happening.
00:06:34.000Now, at the time, I was operating with a very finite amount of knowledge and wrote it not knowing that what we know now.
00:07:29.000And I think the president, you know, I've only met with the president a couple of times over the years.
00:07:34.000The president understands much more fully now the nature of the fight he was walking into, right?
00:07:40.000I mean, it was difficult for a businessman who, you know, even though he knew maybe he was going to have to learn a few things to manage the government, you're never expecting anything like this, right?
00:07:52.000You know, Lincoln had to sneak into Washington, D.C. because he came here to stop the spread of slavery to the new states, right?
00:08:00.000I think President Trump probably should have snuck into Washington, D.C., because he had been elected, I think, to stop this leftist revolutionary drift in the country.
00:08:10.000And that was the unspoken point of MAGA, right?
00:08:13.000It was this counter-revolutionary movement that he is now the leader of.
00:08:19.000And I think he thought these institutions were perhaps what we think of the citadels of the West, right?
00:08:27.000You never think of FBI as someplace where leftism exists, right?
00:08:40.000Why do Republicans in Congress refuse to acknowledge and recognize this?
00:08:45.000I think the simplest way to describe it is: if you look at the left, they have interest in socialist programs, statistic development, the control of government, right?
00:08:55.000But they're globalist in their orientation.
00:08:59.000If you look at the right, their tendencies to be, you know, profit-based, corporate-based chamber-type stuff, but also globalist in their orientation.
00:09:09.000And the common denominator between the two tends to be they're global, they share these globalist networks.
00:09:15.000And so it's been a process of education.
00:09:17.000And I think the president's doing this, it's just slow.
00:09:23.000We're slowly seeing the change in the Republicans, and some are dragging their feet, and some are outwardly opposed to the president.
00:09:29.000But, you know, the Republican Party is facing a critical choice here, not unlike the Whig Party did in 1854, right?
00:09:36.000We are either going to move to address this communist socialist drift, or we're going to go the way of the dodo bird.
00:09:44.000We're going to disappear in a new party, for example, when the Republican Party was born to stop the splitter of slavery.
00:09:50.000I think there are a lot of historical, you know, historical similarities there.
00:09:56.000Can you comment on how sophisticated and how well-staffed some of these agencies of government are by people that actually bitterly hate our country?
00:10:47.000Now, how pervasive that is, I don't know.
00:10:49.000But what concerns me the most is that the upper echelons of these institutions were selected by other members of this Marxist movement to be promoted, to be put in these positions of power because they subscribe to this leftist Marxist dogma.
00:11:03.000It's a hard thing for a lot of Americans to realize and recognize that our government, which is supposed to be by and for the people, is actually one that has been subverted by the ruling class, that the ruling class and corporations and technology and media, they have all kind of converged and they want the government for their interests.
00:11:22.000They think the people are an impediment.
00:11:24.000They're an obstacle for their kind of dominion over the American homeland.
00:11:30.000In fact, they don't even want an American homeland.
00:11:32.000The one common denominator between the corporate class and the environmentalists and the left wing is that they actually want a weaker America, almost like a borderless type society that can allow them to have the free flow of people and goods.
00:13:37.000Well, I mean, let's just look, for example, at Peter Strzok, infamously a member of the Crossfire Hurricane Team, the leader of the Crossfire Hurricane Team, if you will, at least from the FBI standpoint.
00:13:50.000After he was removed, you know, from his role as a day-to-day officer executing special agent duties, where did they put him?
00:14:00.000And I think, you know, the fact that they would use him to vet potential candidates coming into the FBI should have been a huge red flag going up for everybody.
00:14:11.000And what worries me is we saw it inside the Defense Department as well.
00:14:16.000I did a stint as a professor over at the National War College.
00:14:20.000And, you know, I had a student there who was a Navy SEAL captain, 06, soon to be admiral.
00:14:27.000He was asked to write a master's thesis.
00:14:30.000And he told me, you know, I would like to write about terrorism, jihadi, Islam, all these other subjects, things that he'd been dealing with for the 10, 12 years we'd been at the war at that time.
00:14:41.000But no, he wanted to write about the environment as a risk.
00:14:47.000He said, because I know the people who will choose me to be admiral will want to see that.
00:14:52.000And that tells you kind of what's going on inside these institutions.
00:14:56.000There's a slant where they've so infiltrated key positions.
00:15:02.000So when I say this, it's not that they are everywhere in the department, but because they naturally gravitate towards positions of influence, things like the IG, the general counsel's office, the personnel office, they're not necessarily in command or the CEO.
00:15:20.000The old CIA adage always was: you don't need to recruit the general, just recruit the janitor.
00:16:46.000We see it in the Department of Education.
00:16:47.000We see it in every single way imaginable, where now a president's orders are completely disobeyed.
00:16:54.000Can you tell us what your opinion is of what happens if Biden takes office and the kind of reversal of a lot of these things?
00:17:05.000Wow, I think I'll keep it brief and we can really go into this.
00:17:10.000I don't think Biden will ever take office.
00:17:13.000Biden is a stalking horse candidate for Kamala Harris and her mark.
00:17:19.000She is part of the California lawyer Marxist cabal with other folks like Holder, with Val Jarrett's part of that same crowd and several of them.
00:17:27.000But she was chosen by the hidden Democratic Party power establishment to be kind of their, if you will, vessel in the presidency.
00:17:39.000And so Biden is out there perhaps as a getaway car, right, or for Crosswater Hurricane.
00:17:44.000But also, he at least appears vanilla to people who've known him for a long time.
00:17:51.000And he doesn't fall into historically the AOC categorization.
00:17:56.000But Kamala is the most left-wing senator we have.
00:18:00.000And we need to be mindful of this going into the voting booth or if you're early voting.
00:18:04.000I mean, she is a true revolutionary candidate.
00:18:07.000And the people behind her are even worse.
00:18:10.000I try to tell this to a lot of voters, and some people aren't believing.
00:19:02.000I think you should challenge her to a debate.
00:19:04.000I think that's exactly what he needs to do.
00:19:06.000And I think, you know, we need to really get our minds around the idea of Attorney General Keith Ellison, where, you know, I mean, guy is an open supporter of Antifa, you know, talks and talks openly about seditious activities, going after conservatives.
00:19:24.000I mean, the thing that I think is most frightening is we're battling these institutions right now, recognizing that at least within the White House, we have an ally, right?
00:19:34.000And he's trying to battle back against these institutions on our behalf.
00:19:39.000What I fear is that, you know, this, you know, the cabal behind Kamala, you know, the cabal that's behind Biden, candidly, these are the same folks who spied on the president, who, you know, illegally wiretapped his campaign.
00:19:55.000These are the folks who, you know, basically, you know, they attempted to conduct a coup.
00:20:16.000Bannon's wrong because by firing Comey, he forced their side to reveal their networks, to show what they were doing and to displace.
00:20:29.000And it was the first time that he had actually hit back at them.
00:20:32.000And it was important because I think it was how the problem kind of came to be scoped.
00:20:36.000Now, to go back to your question, I think should Kamala Harris come in, you're looking at crazy policy positions like free health care for illegal immigration or for illegal immigrants.
00:20:47.000You're looking at a defense department that is just gutted, turned into a kind of an imperial police force, perhaps even directed internally.
00:21:01.000We'd see a continuation of just the, I don't even know how to describe the Obama administration's policies towards the police, right?
00:21:10.000I mean, I have relatives who are police officers, and they're kind of shell-shocked by what's happened in this country, where so many of their elected officials now seen as are hostile to them.
00:21:25.000So these are just, you know, these are wave top things that we can expect to see coming out with them.
00:21:30.000But your right to own a weapon and your free speech and the use of critical race theory to drive hate speech laws upon us.
00:21:38.000I mean, it would just be, I don't think you can even imagine it would be so bad.
00:21:42.000Yeah, there's a French phrase that was said, I think, by Louis XV, and it's been used multiple times.
00:21:48.000It's apra neu les déluge, which is after us the flood.
00:22:31.000You know, most Americans, they think, you know, you just strap into the secretary or the AG job and you just turn the ship.
00:22:38.000These are ocean-going exile, you know, super tankers that the best way to turn them is to turn them slowly and deliberately in a direction over time.
00:22:48.000And I think that the AG has shown he's doing that.
00:22:51.000He maneuvered quickly, just, you know, just look at the way he maneuvered quickly to shut down Mueller.
00:22:57.000Look at the scope expansion he's allowed Durham to have.
00:23:02.000They're looking at what happened in terms of sabotaging the campaign.
00:23:05.000They're looking at with Jensen what happened during the presidency itself, all the way up to include what they did under the special counsel's office with more, particularly Weissman, right?
00:23:22.000Well, the scale of this conspiracy is massive with hundreds of actors, government actors, private sector actors, all of it behind this wall of classified information.
00:23:32.000So when we heard last week that DNI Ratcliffe has released a thousand new sets of documents to the Durham team.
00:23:41.000What the American public needs to understand is they weren't provided to the Durham team.
00:23:45.000The Durham team has already seen them.
00:24:53.000You're working your way up through the organization.
00:24:56.000And my personal opinion is they're working their way up to President Obama and certainly Susan Rice.
00:25:03.000Whether or not they ever go to the political level remains a question, but the only person who had the remit across all of these agencies to have understood the scope of this, because it wasn't just the FBI.
00:25:51.000Now, what I would tell the voters out there is if you want justice, re-elect Trump.
00:25:56.000Allow Barr and Durham to finish their work.
00:25:58.000If you're not happy with how fast they're going, look, my personal opinion was when they originally stood up these investigators, they should have moved to establish a special counsel, but I understood the scope of it.
00:26:22.000You'd have the DOJ investigating itself, right?
00:26:24.000And so even if Barr and Durham are doing everything by the book and legitimately, the outside perception is, oh, they're not going fast enough.
00:26:33.000Yeah, but here's what I don't understand: is Mueller's scope very well could have aligned with this, though.
00:26:38.000Mueller had a very broad scope, and Mueller didn't look into any of this stuff.
00:26:44.000So we already had a special counsel that was supposed to look in, and you would know the charging documents better than I would, but it was Russian interference in the American election was basically it, right?
00:26:54.000And yet he indicted Manafort and Stone on non-Russian charges.
00:27:00.000So if you see a crime, you're supposed to refer the crime.
00:27:02.000Manafort just, I mean, Manafort, Mueller just wanted scalps.
00:27:17.000And I think, you know, when you, when you look back upon it, that special counsel fatigue perhaps inhibited the way we thought about dealing with this.
00:27:28.000Unfortunately, what we saw with Mueller was he was put in there, and It looks like largely because he was, you know, he was the Joe Biden of special counsels, right?
00:27:39.000And it was Weissman running the show, okay?
00:27:42.000And I think when you look back at this, remember the operational design from the very beginning, going back to even before July 2016, was to put in place a series of actors that would look like, if not, be actively involved in activities with the Russians.
00:27:57.000So it was not just that they had a weak predicate for an investigation.
00:28:03.000They purposely fabricated that predicate.
00:28:07.000I think the key to all this, and I have competing theories of how this all came together, and you would know it better than I would.
00:28:13.000I think the key is George Papadopoulos.
00:28:15.000He's the most curious case, I think, of all this.
00:28:18.000Can you inform our audience if you agree or disagree with that?
00:28:21.000And if you agree, just give us, I mean, I read his book.
00:28:38.000And I think, okay, I think, very simply put, Papadopoulos was a young kind of wannabe, you know, looking to kind of make his name inside the foreign policy world.
00:28:51.000And in the oil, I think he was in the oil speculator world, right?
00:28:55.000And I think because he was relatively young, what we saw was in March, even prior to March of 2016, they had been bumping up against him.
00:29:06.000He interfaced, I think it was with the Ben Carson campaign and some other same with these other people.
00:29:12.000So the FBI was already actively looking into these individuals.
00:29:16.000In March, do you remember the media put a lot of pressure on the president to name his foreign policy advisors?
00:29:23.000And all of a sudden, he had that meeting.
00:29:25.000Well, then we know that on April 5th of 2016, Lynch, Rice, Comey, Brennan, and Clapper met to discuss President Trump's foreign policy team.
00:29:37.000Now, this is three months before they open Crossfire Hurricane, right?
00:29:43.000And you see them begin to re-engage in it.
00:29:45.000Now, what's happening there, and this is really important, is Mifsued who was the professor or something, right?
00:30:32.000And so what we saw is these operations were, you know, under the Obama administration, spying on political opponents or potential opponents had become normalized.
00:30:45.000And when you look back at the Obama years, there's one thing that really always struck me about the Obama years was that no dissent was allowed, even for the Democrats, right?
00:30:54.000You know, he went after Jane Harmon when Menendez pushed back on him about Cuba and the Cuba opening up.
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00:31:16.000But if you've seen Social Dilemma, which, again, I'm not exactly sure how you square that, they talk about how tech insiders explain how social media is engineered to exploit users' data for profit.
00:31:30.000Look, I'm cool with normal capitalism where I'm willing to participate in the transaction, like every time I go to the store, buy food.
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00:32:34.000You believe that there is wisdom to have these sealed indictments.
00:32:38.000I would have thought I would want them before the election because Biden was involved in it.
00:32:44.000I think we knew that wasn't going to come down the road about two or three months ago when the Attorney General said he wasn't seeing any information to carry this forward to the political level.
00:32:58.000We know, and the president, I think, you know, you could literally see vice president, former Vice President Biden wince.
00:33:06.000He literally winced when the president went after him after the January 5th meeting, in particular, his attacks that Biden had made on General Flynn.
00:33:18.000I think that really shows the guilty knowledge, if you will, right?
00:33:23.000And I think where I see this is as somebody who's operated inside these institutions and inside the bureaucracies, I know what Barr and Durham are up against.
00:33:32.000So I'm a little bit more patient with them.
00:34:54.000Maybe they're going to have these grand indictments, their sealed indictments, grand jury.
00:34:58.000And to the level and the sophistication of what these people are able to do from just Hillary's emails, the deletion of them, the tarmac meeting, it seems that these people are allowed to get away with it every single time.
00:35:10.000Is there evidence to show something to the contrary?
00:35:14.000There's not evidence on the specific cases you cited.
00:35:18.000But I think that the accountability isn't sitting inside these institutions.
00:35:28.000And my personal opinion is that you don't get from where we were, okay, which is single-sided justice system, single-sided bureaucratic decision-making, unaccountable foreign policy, middle class actually being seen as the adversary to the political, quote-unquote, ruling class.
00:35:50.000If even the idea that there is such a thing as a ruling class in America is so un-American.
00:36:44.000There are probably 100 houses in my neighborhood.
00:36:47.000There are six Biden signs and 50 new American flags have gone out.
00:36:54.000Much like if you had asked me six months ago, I wouldn't have had this appraisal.
00:36:58.000But I think the economy is beginning to recover post-COVID.
00:37:01.000The president has rightly moved past COVID.
00:37:04.000And I think that the American people are experiencing a bit of awakening because we need to remember the left, the communists, the Marxists, whatever you want to call them, they left us.
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