The Charlie Kirk Show - A Memo From a Deep State Insider: The Coup Against President Trump Exposed

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00:02:34.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show, joined by my friend and total American patriot, Rich Higgins, author of the memo, a terrific book that everyone should pick up.

00:02:46.000 20 Years Inside the Deep State, Fighting for America First.

00:02:50.000 Rich, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:52.000 Hey, Charlie, thanks for having me.

00:02:54.000 So, Rich, the kind of the phrase deep state is thrown around a lot.

00:02:58.000 What is it?

00:02:59.000 How deep is it?

00:03:00.000 And some people say it doesn't exist.

00:03:02.000 Please build it out for us.

00:03:05.000 I think four or five years ago, people would have said it doesn't exist.

00:03:10.000 I think people now are beginning to understand it's very real.

00:03:14.000 And it's the unelected government, basically, right?

00:03:17.000 It's the chairman of the joint staff pushing back against the president.

00:03:21.000 It can be Judge Sullivan keeping General Flynn, you know, dragging him through the mud for three or four years now.

00:03:29.000 These are people that we, the people, didn't elect.

00:03:32.000 We didn't put into power.

00:03:34.000 Yet they exercised a tremendous amount of authority over us.

00:03:38.000 So how did this happen?

00:03:40.000 How did the deep state get staffed, created?

00:03:43.000 And just kind of be as specific as you can because a lot of people are either unwilling or unable to see the full picture.

00:03:53.000 Well, I think you have to go back a number of years.

00:03:55.000 There's some of it is just sort of normal ebb and flow of governance, right?

00:04:00.000 I mean, bureaucracy does its thing.

00:04:03.000 And so there's a natural inclination in these institutions that have tremendous resourcing, tremendous amount of authority.

00:04:12.000 I mean, the Defense Department alone spends $700 billion a year.

00:04:16.000 Most people can't even comprehend that type of money.

00:04:18.000 And so there's a natural sort of belief that takes root that you can do what you need to do and you respond to the people over you.

00:04:29.000 I think though what's happened, particularly in the past really 30, 40 years, but it really came to the forefront during the Obama administration is that craven opportunists like Hillary Clinton got themselves into positions where they were able to put their own networks inside of these institutions and then wield power within the institutional bureaucracy through corruption,

00:04:55.000 graft, political pressure, blackmail, et cetera.

00:04:59.000 And so much of what President Trump has been doing for the past couple of years has been battling this residual corruption.

00:05:06.000 So you write about this in the book, The Memo.

00:05:09.000 Tell us a little bit about the book.

00:05:11.000 And it says, read the actual memo that caused a firestorm inside the White House and around the world.

00:05:15.000 What is the memo?

00:05:16.000 Well, back in 2016, I had been one of the counterterrorism advisors for the Trump campaign.

00:05:22.000 And then, you know, certain, so we knew early in the campaign that, you know, we weren't colluding with Russia. 0.81

00:05:30.000 I mean, that was just ridiculous. 0.73

00:05:31.000 Clearly, it was Hillary Clinton's political. 0.67

00:05:35.000 What shocked us was that after November 8th, the operation seemed to intensify.

00:05:43.000 And, you know, I had worked in the Pentagon for a number of years in the black operations world where we would do things like what we were seeing happen to President-elect Trump and then President Trump.

00:05:53.000 We would do things like this to Saddam Hussein, for example, where we would leak his transcripts or leak the transcripts of his generals plotting against him.

00:06:03.000 And yet we see with President Trump, they were leaking his phone calls to the president of Mexico, his phone calls to the president of Australia.

00:06:10.000 And so we began to say, well, what's really happening here?

00:06:12.000 Well, several of us at the National Security Council saw what was going on and the new movie How Plot Against the President elaborates on this.

00:06:19.000 We began looking at, okay, what's really going on here?

00:06:22.000 And in an effort to warn the president and then some of the people I'd met around the campaign, some of your friends, right, Don Jr. and others, wrote a memo that basically laid out what I thought was the scope of what was happening.

00:06:34.000 Now, at the time, I was operating with a very finite amount of knowledge and wrote it not knowing that what we know now.

00:06:44.000 There was a crossfire hurricane.

00:06:45.000 There were all these operations.

00:06:46.000 They were spying on the president.

00:06:48.000 They were trying to subvert and sabotage him.

00:06:51.000 And General McMaster wasn't a big fan of that.

00:06:54.000 And he moved to have me removed.

00:06:57.000 And it created a little bit of a firestorm in the summer of 2017.

00:07:03.000 So there's a lot I want to unpack there.

00:07:06.000 So I remember when this memo kind of came to light, and I remember the backlash, and I remember people talking about it.

00:07:14.000 Has anything improved?

00:07:17.000 I think a lot has improved.

00:07:18.000 I mean, I think the president putting in John McIntyre in particular, it's a huge upgrade.

00:07:25.000 I love Johnny.

00:07:26.000 He is absolutely 1,000% MAGA.

00:07:29.000 And I think the president, you know, I've only met with the president a couple of times over the years.

00:07:34.000 The president understands much more fully now the nature of the fight he was walking into, right?

00:07:40.000 I mean, it was difficult for a businessman who, you know, even though he knew maybe he was going to have to learn a few things to manage the government, you're never expecting anything like this, right?

00:07:50.000 There was no historical precedent.

00:07:52.000 You know, Lincoln had to sneak into Washington, D.C. because he came here to stop the spread of slavery to the new states, right?

00:08:00.000 I think President Trump probably should have snuck into Washington, D.C., because he had been elected, I think, to stop this leftist revolutionary drift in the country.

00:08:10.000 And that was the unspoken point of MAGA, right?

00:08:13.000 It was this counter-revolutionary movement that he is now the leader of.

00:08:19.000 And I think he thought these institutions were perhaps what we think of the citadels of the West, right?

00:08:27.000 You never think of FBI as someplace where leftism exists, right?

00:08:31.000 Or the CIA as a leftist entity.

00:08:34.000 But today we see they are.

00:08:36.000 So, yes.

00:08:40.000 Why do Republicans in Congress refuse to acknowledge and recognize this?

00:08:45.000 I think the simplest way to describe it is: if you look at the left, they have interest in socialist programs, statistic development, the control of government, right?

00:08:55.000 But they're globalist in their orientation.

00:08:57.000 It's for the betterment of the world.

00:08:59.000 If you look at the right, their tendencies to be, you know, profit-based, corporate-based chamber-type stuff, but also globalist in their orientation.

00:09:09.000 And the common denominator between the two tends to be they're global, they share these globalist networks.

00:09:15.000 And so it's been a process of education.

00:09:17.000 And I think the president's doing this, it's just slow.

00:09:20.000 And the American voter is doing this.

00:09:22.000 It's just slow.

00:09:23.000 We're slowly seeing the change in the Republicans, and some are dragging their feet, and some are outwardly opposed to the president.

00:09:29.000 But, you know, the Republican Party is facing a critical choice here, not unlike the Whig Party did in 1854, right?

00:09:36.000 We are either going to move to address this communist socialist drift, or we're going to go the way of the dodo bird.

00:09:44.000 We're going to disappear in a new party, for example, when the Republican Party was born to stop the splitter of slavery. 0.56

00:09:50.000 I think there are a lot of historical, you know, historical similarities there.

00:09:56.000 Can you comment on how sophisticated and how well-staffed some of these agencies of government are by people that actually bitterly hate our country?

00:10:07.000 I can give you an anecdote, right?

00:10:09.000 I mean, it's just an anecdote, but it's one of those things that shocked me into the reality of it.

00:10:14.000 In probably 2011, I was in the Pentagon.

00:10:17.000 I was with one of the advisors to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

00:10:20.000 We had stopped by a gift shop there to pick up a bank that she wanted to give to him at the time.

00:10:28.000 We go into the gift shop, we see all these little statues there.

00:10:31.000 One of the statues there is of Ronald Reagan.

00:10:34.000 She looks at the Ronald Reagan statue, and it has a little quote under him. 0.51

00:10:38.000 She looks at it, she looks at me, and she says, I wouldn't buy that statue unless it had a bullet in its head and blood coming out.

00:10:45.000 So there are several of them inside.

00:10:47.000 Now, how pervasive that is, I don't know.

00:10:49.000 But what concerns me the most is that the upper echelons of these institutions were selected by other members of this Marxist movement to be promoted, to be put in these positions of power because they subscribe to this leftist Marxist dogma.

00:11:03.000 It's a hard thing for a lot of Americans to realize and recognize that our government, which is supposed to be by and for the people, is actually one that has been subverted by the ruling class, that the ruling class and corporations and technology and media, they have all kind of converged and they want the government for their interests.

00:11:22.000 They think the people are an impediment.

00:11:24.000 They're an obstacle for their kind of dominion over the American homeland.

00:11:30.000 In fact, they don't even want an American homeland.

00:11:32.000 The one common denominator between the corporate class and the environmentalists and the left wing is that they actually want a weaker America, almost like a borderless type society that can allow them to have the free flow of people and goods.

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00:13:29.000 Someone is placing these people into government.

00:13:32.000 Someone is making these decisions.

00:13:35.000 Who are these people?

00:13:37.000 Well, I mean, let's just look, for example, at Peter Strzok, infamously a member of the Crossfire Hurricane Team, the leader of the Crossfire Hurricane Team, if you will, at least from the FBI standpoint.

00:13:50.000 After he was removed, you know, from his role as a day-to-day officer executing special agent duties, where did they put him?

00:13:58.000 Human resources, right?

00:14:00.000 And I think, you know, the fact that they would use him to vet potential candidates coming into the FBI should have been a huge red flag going up for everybody.

00:14:09.000 What is going on here?

00:14:10.000 But we've seen this.

00:14:11.000 And what worries me is we saw it inside the Defense Department as well.

00:14:16.000 I did a stint as a professor over at the National War College.

00:14:20.000 And, you know, I had a student there who was a Navy SEAL captain, 06, soon to be admiral.

00:14:27.000 He was asked to write a master's thesis.

00:14:30.000 And he told me, you know, I would like to write about terrorism, jihadi, Islam, all these other subjects, things that he'd been dealing with for the 10, 12 years we'd been at the war at that time.

00:14:41.000 But no, he wanted to write about the environment as a risk.

00:14:45.000 Well, why?

00:14:46.000 I asked him.

00:14:47.000 He said, because I know the people who will choose me to be admiral will want to see that.

00:14:52.000 And that tells you kind of what's going on inside these institutions. 0.99

00:14:56.000 There's a slant where they've so infiltrated key positions. 0.99

00:15:02.000 So when I say this, it's not that they are everywhere in the department, but because they naturally gravitate towards positions of influence, things like the IG, the general counsel's office, the personnel office, they're not necessarily in command or the CEO. 0.96

00:15:20.000 The old CIA adage always was: you don't need to recruit the general, just recruit the janitor.

00:15:26.000 And that's what these guys have done.

00:15:28.000 They found the keynotes inside the bureaucracies and know how to utilize them.

00:15:32.000 Who is doing that, though?

00:15:34.000 Who is the architect of this plan?

00:15:37.000 What are the names of these people?

00:15:39.000 Well, you know, some of them, Valerie Jarrett, John Podesta, right? 0.82

00:15:42.000 And then there's the guys behind folks like Act Blue, there's David Brock, the Soroses of the world. 0.95

00:15:49.000 Some of them are very well known. 1.00

00:15:51.000 Some of them are lesser knowns.

00:15:52.000 But I think we focus on the big money people and we focus on the media personalities.

00:15:57.000 But what your listeners need to recognize is that this fight is going on in your neighborhood.

00:16:01.000 It's in your school council.

00:16:03.000 It's on your school board.

00:16:04.000 It's in your community council, your homeowners association.

00:16:07.000 So if you sit back and throw your hands up and say, oh, it's too much to do.

00:16:10.000 No.

00:16:11.000 The thing that we have as conservatives, we just want the government to leave us alone.

00:16:16.000 Well, with this threat, they're not going to leave you alone.

00:16:19.000 You have to get engaged.

00:16:20.000 You have to take on those civic responsibilities.

00:16:23.000 And yeah, it's a burden.

00:16:24.000 If you're trying to raise a family and do all that stuff, going to a school board meeting isn't sexy.

00:16:30.000 But if you don't want your kids being taught Marxism, it's pretty important.

00:16:35.000 And so what's really happening, as you're saying, is a multi-institutional offensive strategy by these people to take over our republic.

00:16:44.000 And we've seen it in the agency.

00:16:46.000 We see it in the Department of Education.

00:16:47.000 We see it in every single way imaginable, where now a president's orders are completely disobeyed.

00:16:54.000 Can you tell us what your opinion is of what happens if Biden takes office and the kind of reversal of a lot of these things?

00:17:05.000 Wow, I think I'll keep it brief and we can really go into this.

00:17:10.000 I don't think Biden will ever take office.

00:17:13.000 Biden is a stalking horse candidate for Kamala Harris and her mark.

00:17:19.000 She is part of the California lawyer Marxist cabal with other folks like Holder, with Val Jarrett's part of that same crowd and several of them. 1.00

00:17:27.000 But she was chosen by the hidden Democratic Party power establishment to be kind of their, if you will, vessel in the presidency.

00:17:39.000 And so Biden is out there perhaps as a getaway car, right, or for Crosswater Hurricane.

00:17:44.000 But also, he at least appears vanilla to people who've known him for a long time.

00:17:51.000 And he doesn't fall into historically the AOC categorization.

00:17:56.000 But Kamala is the most left-wing senator we have.

00:18:00.000 And we need to be mindful of this going into the voting booth or if you're early voting. 1.00

00:18:04.000 I mean, she is a true revolutionary candidate.

00:18:07.000 And the people behind her are even worse.

00:18:10.000 I try to tell this to a lot of voters, and some people aren't believing.

00:18:14.000 They're not saying it.

00:18:14.000 They're like, oh, Joe Biden is a good old moderate.

00:18:17.000 And I think we have to pivot.

00:18:19.000 In my opinion, I told this to the president.

00:18:21.000 I said, you are not running against Joe Biden.

00:18:22.000 Just talking about Kamala Harris all day long.

00:18:24.000 You're talking about Biden way too much, way too much.

00:18:27.000 Ignore him.

00:18:28.000 He should just attack Kamala Harris nonstop at every campaign rally.

00:18:31.000 It should be all about, it would drive Biden insane, and it would also make the media confused.

00:18:36.000 And they would cover it.

00:18:37.000 He should go an entire rally where he just talks about Kamala the entire time.

00:18:41.000 And it would change the paradigm because the media, in some ways, would find themselves having to defend Camela.

00:18:47.000 And the entire infrastructure of the Democrat Party actually agrees with Camela.

00:18:54.000 And they know Joe is someone that can win over senior citizen voters like he's running to be the head of the villages.

00:18:59.000 So what do you make about that? 0.99

00:19:02.000 I think you should challenge her to a debate.

00:19:04.000 I think that's exactly what he needs to do.

00:19:06.000 And I think, you know, we need to really get our minds around the idea of Attorney General Keith Ellison, where, you know, I mean, guy is an open supporter of Antifa, you know, talks and talks openly about seditious activities, going after conservatives.

00:19:24.000 I mean, the thing that I think is most frightening is we're battling these institutions right now, recognizing that at least within the White House, we have an ally, right?

00:19:34.000 And he's trying to battle back against these institutions on our behalf.

00:19:39.000 What I fear is that, you know, this, you know, the cabal behind Kamala, you know, the cabal that's behind Biden, candidly, these are the same folks who spied on the president, who, you know, illegally wiretapped his campaign.

00:19:55.000 These are the folks who, you know, basically, you know, they attempted to conduct a coup.

00:20:02.000 They failed for one reason.

00:20:04.000 And the only reason they failed is because the president, using instinct alone, fired Comey.

00:20:09.000 Now, everybody says, oh, you know, we shouldn't have fired Comey.

00:20:12.000 That's where the special counsel came from, everything else.

00:20:14.000 Bannon holds that view.

00:20:15.000 Continue.

00:20:16.000 Bannon's wrong because by firing Comey, he forced their side to reveal their networks, to show what they were doing and to displace.

00:20:29.000 And it was the first time that he had actually hit back at them.

00:20:32.000 And it was important because I think it was how the problem kind of came to be scoped. 0.74

00:20:36.000 Now, to go back to your question, I think should Kamala Harris come in, you're looking at crazy policy positions like free health care for illegal immigration or for illegal immigrants.

00:20:47.000 You're looking at a defense department that is just gutted, turned into a kind of an imperial police force, perhaps even directed internally.

00:20:56.000 Certainly there's spying apparatus directed internally again.

00:21:01.000 We'd see a continuation of just the, I don't even know how to describe the Obama administration's policies towards the police, right?

00:21:10.000 I mean, I have relatives who are police officers, and they're kind of shell-shocked by what's happened in this country, where so many of their elected officials now seen as are hostile to them.

00:21:25.000 So these are just, you know, these are wave top things that we can expect to see coming out with them.

00:21:30.000 But your right to own a weapon and your free speech and the use of critical race theory to drive hate speech laws upon us.

00:21:38.000 I mean, it would just be, I don't think you can even imagine it would be so bad.

00:21:42.000 Yeah, there's a French phrase that was said, I think, by Louis XV, and it's been used multiple times.

00:21:48.000 It's apra neu les déluge, which is after us the flood. 0.61

00:21:52.000 And man, would that be true?

00:21:53.000 Because you're not going to be able to control what happens after this.

00:21:56.000 So, Rich, let me just be honest with you.

00:22:00.000 People are losing faith in the American system.

00:22:02.000 They're losing faith in the American system in more ways than one, especially the judicial system.

00:22:07.000 Why don't we have indictments from John Durham?

00:22:11.000 He is working it.

00:22:13.000 I'm a believer in Barr and Durham.

00:22:15.000 Okay, convince me.

00:22:17.000 I think Barr, well, I think Barr is battling his own institution, right?

00:22:22.000 There are legacy bureaucrats that he has to fight his way through in there.

00:22:27.000 There's no question about it.

00:22:29.000 These are huge institutions, Charlie.

00:22:31.000 You know, most Americans, they think, you know, you just strap into the secretary or the AG job and you just turn the ship.

00:22:38.000 These are ocean-going exile, you know, super tankers that the best way to turn them is to turn them slowly and deliberately in a direction over time.

00:22:48.000 And I think that the AG has shown he's doing that.

00:22:51.000 He maneuvered quickly, just, you know, just look at the way he maneuvered quickly to shut down Mueller.

00:22:57.000 Look at the scope expansion he's allowed Durham to have.

00:23:00.000 They're looking at the spying now.

00:23:02.000 They're looking at what happened in terms of sabotaging the campaign.

00:23:05.000 They're looking at with Jensen what happened during the presidency itself, all the way up to include what they did under the special counsel's office with more, particularly Weissman, right?

00:23:14.000 So he's expanded the scope of this.

00:23:17.000 And I think the average American sees it and they think, oh, yeah, a couple guys spied.

00:23:21.000 Why aren't there indictments?

00:23:22.000 Well, the scale of this conspiracy is massive with hundreds of actors, government actors, private sector actors, all of it behind this wall of classified information.

00:23:32.000 So when we heard last week that DNI Ratcliffe has released a thousand new sets of documents to the Durham team.

00:23:41.000 What the American public needs to understand is they weren't provided to the Durham team.

00:23:45.000 The Durham team has already seen them.

00:23:47.000 They already have the classification.

00:23:48.000 Those documents were released to be put in front of a grand jury and the 23 members of the grand jury.

00:23:54.000 Do we know a grand jury has been impaneled?

00:23:56.000 Absolutely.

00:23:58.000 Some people don't agree with that.

00:24:00.000 Some people don't agree, like Tom Fitton and others.

00:24:02.000 I know who doesn't think there's a grand jury.

00:24:05.000 We've had them on our show, so I have to, I have to, I'm not saying either way.

00:24:08.000 I'm just asking the question.

00:24:10.000 I'm telling you, Durham is the real deal.

00:24:10.000 Right.

00:24:12.000 Would it be fair to conjecture that maybe the grand jury is already indicted, but it's a sealed indictment until after the election?

00:24:20.000 Without question, there are sealed indictments.

00:24:22.000 Without question.

00:24:24.000 How do you say this?

00:24:25.000 Without question, that, okay, tell me why.

00:24:28.000 Because, look, I just know folks from in and around the Justice Department who, you know, they know their tells.

00:24:35.000 They understand how the legal process works.

00:24:38.000 Former FBI agents, current FBI agents, DOJ employees.

00:24:42.000 And what they say is in a case like this, you are going to be working your way up through this, like I think Rudy calls it RICO, right?

00:24:51.000 It's a RICO-like investigation.

00:24:53.000 You're working your way up through the organization.

00:24:56.000 And my personal opinion is they're working their way up to President Obama and certainly Susan Rice.

00:25:03.000 Whether or not they ever go to the political level remains a question, but the only person who had the remit across all of these agencies to have understood the scope of this, because it wasn't just the FBI.

00:25:15.000 I mean, the CIA was involved.

00:25:16.000 The NSA was involved.

00:25:17.000 The DOD was involved.

00:25:18.000 Components of other countries' intelligence services were involved.

00:25:22.000 Only the National Security Advisor could have coordinated something like that.

00:25:26.000 And in some ways, maybe that's why she was floated to be Biden's VP for a little while to try to keep this whole thing the getaway car.

00:25:33.000 The getaway car theory. 0.84

00:25:35.000 But I think that the Pelosi cabal got Kamala in there and they said, don't worry, we'll clean this up.

00:25:40.000 If Biden wins, why wouldn't he instruct his DOJ to drop charges and get away if there are sealed indictments?

00:25:48.000 There's no question that that is a risk.

00:25:50.000 No question about it.

00:25:51.000 Now, what I would tell the voters out there is if you want justice, re-elect Trump.

00:25:56.000 Allow Barr and Durham to finish their work.

00:25:58.000 If you're not happy with how fast they're going, look, my personal opinion was when they originally stood up these investigators, they should have moved to establish a special counsel, but I understood the scope of it.

00:26:09.000 Yeah.

00:26:11.000 We're sour on special counsels because they could do whatever they want.

00:26:15.000 Right, exactly.

00:26:16.000 But this case is an example where, you know, this is where you would want a special counsel.

00:26:16.000 We were fatigued.

00:26:22.000 You'd have the DOJ investigating itself, right?

00:26:24.000 And so even if Barr and Durham are doing everything by the book and legitimately, the outside perception is, oh, they're not going fast enough.

00:26:32.000 They're not resourced enough.

00:26:33.000 Yeah, but here's what I don't understand: is Mueller's scope very well could have aligned with this, though.

00:26:38.000 Mueller had a very broad scope, and Mueller didn't look into any of this stuff.

00:26:44.000 So we already had a special counsel that was supposed to look in, and you would know the charging documents better than I would, but it was Russian interference in the American election was basically it, right?

00:26:54.000 And yet he indicted Manafort and Stone on non-Russian charges.

00:27:00.000 So if you see a crime, you're supposed to refer the crime.

00:27:02.000 Manafort just, I mean, Manafort, Mueller just wanted scalps.

00:27:06.000 That's just what he wanted.

00:27:07.000 He wanted to get points on the board as quickly as possible.

00:27:10.000 But wouldn't hiring a foreign agent to do a Russian dossier, wouldn't that fall under Mueller's scope?

00:27:14.000 We already had a special counsel.

00:27:17.000 Right.

00:27:17.000 And I think, you know, when you, when you look back upon it, that special counsel fatigue perhaps inhibited the way we thought about dealing with this.

00:27:26.000 Okay.

00:27:26.000 And I'm not disagreeing with you.

00:27:27.000 I'm agreeing with you.

00:27:28.000 Unfortunately, what we saw with Mueller was he was put in there, and It looks like largely because he was, you know, he was the Joe Biden of special counsels, right?

00:27:37.000 He was sort of there, but not really.

00:27:39.000 And it was Weissman running the show, okay?

00:27:42.000 And I think when you look back at this, remember the operational design from the very beginning, going back to even before July 2016, was to put in place a series of actors that would look like, if not, be actively involved in activities with the Russians.

00:27:57.000 So it was not just that they had a weak predicate for an investigation.

00:28:03.000 They purposely fabricated that predicate.

00:28:07.000 I think the key to all this, and I have competing theories of how this all came together, and you would know it better than I would.

00:28:13.000 I think the key is George Papadopoulos.

00:28:15.000 He's the most curious case, I think, of all this.

00:28:18.000 Can you inform our audience if you agree or disagree with that?

00:28:21.000 And if you agree, just give us, I mean, I read his book.

00:28:23.000 He needed an editor.

00:28:24.000 It was meandering.

00:28:26.000 Great guy, but it takes you have to know a lot of information to understand it.

00:28:32.000 Tell us, I think Papadopoulos shows the international component to this.

00:28:38.000 Right.

00:28:38.000 And I think, okay, I think, very simply put, Papadopoulos was a young kind of wannabe, you know, looking to kind of make his name inside the foreign policy world.

00:28:51.000 And in the oil, I think he was in the oil speculator world, right?

00:28:55.000 And I think because he was relatively young, what we saw was in March, even prior to March of 2016, they had been bumping up against him.

00:29:06.000 He interfaced, I think it was with the Ben Carson campaign and some other same with these other people.

00:29:12.000 So the FBI was already actively looking into these individuals.

00:29:16.000 In March, do you remember the media put a lot of pressure on the president to name his foreign policy advisors?

00:29:22.000 Do you recall that?

00:29:23.000 And all of a sudden, he had that meeting.

00:29:25.000 Well, then we know that on April 5th of 2016, Lynch, Rice, Comey, Brennan, and Clapper met to discuss President Trump's foreign policy team.

00:29:37.000 Now, this is three months before they open Crossfire Hurricane, right?

00:29:43.000 And you see them begin to re-engage in it.

00:29:45.000 Now, what's happening there, and this is really important, is Mifsued who was the professor or something, right?

00:29:52.000 Do we know what happened to him?

00:29:55.000 We don't know exactly what happened to him, but I'm told he's safely stored away somewhere, but I don't know for sure.

00:30:03.000 So all caveats apply there.

00:30:06.000 I will say this: that somehow Durham was able to get a hold of Mitsu's phones.

00:30:12.000 I'm told they were able to get a lot of information off of those phones.

00:30:15.000 Now, I don't know if Mitch Sued turned them in himself or they were captured somehow.

00:30:20.000 But he was working with Australian intelligence or something, right?

00:30:24.000 Well, Italian intelligence and possibly British intelligence.

00:30:27.000 But this goes to the scope of this, right?

00:30:29.000 I mean, this was massive.

00:30:32.000 And so what we saw is these operations were, you know, under the Obama administration, spying on political opponents or potential opponents had become normalized.

00:30:45.000 And when you look back at the Obama years, there's one thing that really always struck me about the Obama years was that no dissent was allowed, even for the Democrats, right?

00:30:54.000 You know, he went after Jane Harmon when Menendez pushed back on him about Cuba and the Cuba opening up.

00:31:01.000 They went after Menendez.

00:31:03.000 And so what were they going after them with?

00:31:06.000 I think it was this.

00:31:07.000 I think they were spying on them.

00:31:11.000 You guys have all seen Social Dilemma, Netflix. 0.62

00:31:14.000 Well, maybe not Netflix because they're a pedophile network.

00:31:16.000 But if you've seen Social Dilemma, which, again, I'm not exactly sure how you square that, they talk about how tech insiders explain how social media is engineered to exploit users' data for profit.

00:31:28.000 They call it surveillance capitalism.

00:31:30.000 Look, I'm cool with normal capitalism where I'm willing to participate in the transaction, like every time I go to the store, buy food.

00:31:36.000 But when my data is being harvested so tech billionaires can get even richer, that's where I draw the line.

00:31:41.000 And that's why I put a layer of protection around my data with ExpressVPN.

00:31:45.000 Every time you use the internet, big tech companies and the surveillance capitalists and the oligarchs, they track your searches, messages, and video history.

00:31:54.000 But when you run through ExpressVPN, it hides your IP address, which websites can use to personally identify you.

00:31:59.000 That makes your activity more difficult to trace and sell to advertisers.

00:32:02.000 ExpressVPN also encrypts 100% of your internet data to keep you safe from hackers and from prying eyes.

00:32:08.000 Many VPNs slow down your internet, but not ExpressVPN.

00:32:11.000 It's incredibly fast and easy to use.

00:32:12.000 Just one tap of a button and you're protected.

00:32:14.000 Expressvpn.com slash Charlie.

00:32:16.000 That's E-X-P-R-E-S-S VPN.com slash Charlie.

00:32:20.000 Expressvpn.com slash Charlie.

00:32:22.000 I have an ExpressVPN on right now.

00:32:24.000 Expressvpn.com slash Charlie.

00:32:24.000 Why don't you?

00:32:29.000 So you're a bar believer.

00:32:31.000 You're a Durham defender.

00:32:34.000 You believe that there is wisdom to have these sealed indictments.

00:32:38.000 I would have thought I would want them before the election because Biden was involved in it.

00:32:44.000 I think we knew that wasn't going to come down the road about two or three months ago when the Attorney General said he wasn't seeing any information to carry this forward to the political level.

00:32:54.000 I don't believe that's possible.

00:32:56.000 It's just not possible.

00:32:57.000 We know that now, right?

00:32:58.000 We know, and the president, I think, you know, you could literally see vice president, former Vice President Biden wince.

00:33:06.000 He literally winced when the president went after him after the January 5th meeting, in particular, his attacks that Biden had made on General Flynn.

00:33:15.000 And that's a great piece of footage.

00:33:18.000 I think that really shows the guilty knowledge, if you will, right?

00:33:23.000 And I think where I see this is as somebody who's operated inside these institutions and inside the bureaucracies, I know what Barr and Durham are up against.

00:33:32.000 So I'm a little bit more patient with them.

00:33:34.000 But what are they up against?

00:33:35.000 They're up against 28-year-old Yale graduates that are slow walking and saying, why are we doing this?

00:33:41.000 Or what are they specifically up against?

00:33:44.000 They need to win the information war and the war of public opinion, okay?

00:33:50.000 As well as make these cases.

00:33:52.000 But they will lose that war if Biden wins.

00:33:56.000 I don't think Biden's going to win, and I don't think you do either.

00:33:59.000 I don't think they do either.

00:34:01.000 And I think if we get into a culture where we're pushing, it goes back to like when you're five years old, right?

00:34:09.000 Your mom says two wrongs don't make it right.

00:34:11.000 Pushing for prosecutions under political timelines is what they did.

00:34:16.000 All right.

00:34:17.000 And we want to be careful about following the precedent that they've set because eventually it turns into a tit for tap.

00:34:24.000 And I think that we have to have confidence that we're on the side of Rub.

00:34:28.000 I hear you completely.

00:34:30.000 But my fear is that no justice will be done.

00:34:33.000 And I know you don't believe this if Biden, I mean, that Biden will lose.

00:34:37.000 I know you believe that Trump will win.

00:34:38.000 But I think that if Biden wins, this stuff will just get completely dismissed.

00:34:42.000 And so here's my, and here's just where I'm at.

00:34:45.000 And prove me wrong in the couple minutes we have remaining.

00:34:47.000 I don't think any of these people get held accountable.

00:34:50.000 I'm very skeptical.

00:34:51.000 I'm very cynical.

00:34:52.000 I have lost total faith in this.

00:34:54.000 Maybe they're going to have these grand indictments, their sealed indictments, grand jury.

00:34:58.000 And to the level and the sophistication of what these people are able to do from just Hillary's emails, the deletion of them, the tarmac meeting, it seems that these people are allowed to get away with it every single time.

00:35:10.000 Is there evidence to show something to the contrary?

00:35:14.000 There's not evidence on the specific cases you cited.

00:35:18.000 But I think that the accountability isn't sitting inside these institutions.

00:35:18.000 Okay.

00:35:24.000 The accountability is in the voters.

00:35:27.000 Okay.

00:35:28.000 And my personal opinion is that you don't get from where we were, okay, which is single-sided justice system, single-sided bureaucratic decision-making, unaccountable foreign policy, middle class actually being seen as the adversary to the political, quote-unquote, ruling class.

00:35:50.000 If even the idea that there is such a thing as a ruling class in America is so un-American.

00:35:55.000 I know.

00:35:56.000 It's absurd.

00:35:56.000 Exactly.

00:35:57.000 So I think it's on us, we the people, to fix it.

00:36:01.000 We are the sovereigns.

00:36:02.000 So if you want it fixed, get involved.

00:36:05.000 We have far too many people sitting on the sidelines complaining.

00:36:08.000 I am right there with you.

00:36:10.000 Trust me.

00:36:12.000 I could not agree more.

00:36:13.000 I mean, I go to these rallies and people come up to me and they say, well, when's Durham going to indict?

00:36:18.000 And I say, I don't think he will, whatever, you know, whatever.

00:36:20.000 And I said, what are you doing about it?

00:36:21.000 They're like, well, I'm watching TV every day.

00:36:24.000 I'm like, well, the Democrats are out spending us.

00:36:26.000 They're out knocking us.

00:36:28.000 They're out doing all sorts of stuff.

00:36:29.000 You know, what are you doing?

00:36:30.000 So the book is called The Memo.

00:36:32.000 We have one minute remaining.

00:36:34.000 Rich, what's your prediction for Election Day and why?

00:36:38.000 I'm predicting a Trump landslide.

00:36:41.000 I think the people are wide awake.

00:36:43.000 I'll give you my neighborhood.

00:36:44.000 There are probably 100 houses in my neighborhood.

00:36:47.000 There are six Biden signs and 50 new American flags have gone out.

00:36:54.000 Much like if you had asked me six months ago, I wouldn't have had this appraisal.

00:36:58.000 But I think the economy is beginning to recover post-COVID.

00:37:01.000 The president has rightly moved past COVID.

00:37:04.000 And I think that the American people are experiencing a bit of awakening because we need to remember the left, the communists, the Marxists, whatever you want to call them, they left us.

00:37:13.000 We didn't leave them.

00:37:15.000 This is our country.

00:37:16.000 And I think the people know that.

00:37:18.000 We the people know that.

00:37:18.000 They're going to come out in ways they haven't before.

00:37:21.000 We could be going into an interesting time in the transition, though, but we'll see.

00:37:25.000 I pray you're right, everybody.

00:37:26.000 Rich Higgins off of the memo.

00:37:28.000 Lot there.

00:37:29.000 Listen to this episode twice.

00:37:30.000 You'll get more wisdom.

00:37:32.000 Rich, thanks for joining.

00:37:33.000 Everybody, thanks for listening.

00:37:34.000 CharlieKirk.com.

00:37:39.000 What a great conversation that was with Rich Higgins.

00:37:42.000 Thank you guys so much for listening.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - October 14, 2020

A Memo From a Deep State Insider: The Coup Against President Trump Exposed

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