The Charlie Kirk Show - A Message to the American Church: Be Strong and Do Not Fear with Pastor Rob McCoy

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00:00:08.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:09.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

00:00:12.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:15.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:00:18.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:19.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:20.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

00:00:22.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.

00:00:27.000 Turning point USA.

00:00:29.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:00:37.000 That's why we are here.

00:00:40.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:41.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:43.000 I am joined again by my pastor and friend, Rob McCoy.

00:00:47.000 Good to be with you, Charlie.

00:00:48.000 It's a lot happening in the country right now, Rob.

00:00:50.000 There sure is. 0.89

00:00:50.000 And I'm glad we have this opportunity to talk about it because my heart was heavy when I saw you getting kind of beat up in the Christian circles over standing for truth of all things. 0.89

00:01:02.000 Bizarre to me.

00:01:03.000 Yeah, to kind of catch our audience up on what's been happening.

00:01:07.000 I'm not going to say any names, but it's not hard to find if you look it up online.

00:01:12.000 But a specific pastor of a very big church in Alabama decided to like my social media posts.

00:01:18.000 This person's a friend.

00:01:19.000 I've gotten to know him.

00:01:20.000 He was going to have me out and speak at his church.

00:01:23.000 And he was going to pay me to come and speak at his church.

00:01:27.000 And for whatever reason, he has liked my social media content.

00:01:30.000 I thank him for that for some time.

00:01:32.000 He approached me in an event, was very positive about it.

00:01:35.000 And he liked some social media posts of mine that were not controversial in the slightest, that were all facts and all data.

00:01:40.000 In fact, it was calling out the double standards of the left.

00:01:43.000 What about Ralph Northam's past transgressions?

00:01:47.000 So a non-member of his church started to make a big deal out of this.

00:01:50.000 And then he goes on the stage and apologizes for saying it, saying that's not really what he believes, which now has resulted in the total slander of my name associated with it.

00:01:58.000 And no benefit on their behalf because he ended up losing any connection with the city.

00:02:04.000 And it's the cancel culture.

00:02:06.000 City contracts, affiliation with local governments.

00:02:09.000 You can't appease the left.

00:02:11.000 No, and I've had a series of now.

00:02:15.000 I have to play defense over the whole thing.

00:02:18.000 And what was so bizarre is I didn't ask this individual to like those posts.

00:02:22.000 And it very easily could have been confronted and explained that Charlie is a Christian.

00:02:28.000 We do recognize that.

00:02:31.000 And so.

00:02:32.000 I'm going to go further with that.

00:02:34.000 You're not just a Christian, Charlie.

00:02:36.000 This is a season in the body of Christ where, similar to Acts chapter 4 and 5, completely surrounded by persecution in some respects.

00:02:46.000 That, I mean, in Acts chapter 4 and 5, you see 11 different government entities coming after the disciples, Peter and John.

00:02:53.000 And they're telling them that they're not allowed to preach in the name of Jesus.

00:02:57.000 And you can find in Acts where, actually, verse 29, he says, we ought to obey God rather than man.

00:03:06.000 And they're contending.

00:03:08.000 And what's fascinating about it is they tell him to be quiet, and they know that Herod and Pontius Pilate are after them.

00:03:16.000 And they don't ask God to silence them.

00:03:19.000 They ask God to give them more boldness to stand upon truth.

00:03:22.000 You're not just a Christian, Charlie.

00:03:24.000 You're standing boldly upon truth at great expense to yourself.

00:03:28.000 And this is a time where God is testing the church.

00:03:31.000 It's a refiner's fire.

00:03:33.000 We won't be able to continue when truth is being challenged and we are being asked to compromise in appeasement where the world is in desperate need of truth.

00:03:48.000 When there's deceit out there, there's censorship.

00:03:50.000 There's the cancel culture.

00:03:52.000 And you're going to be attacked when you stand upon truth.

00:03:55.000 And you do that.

00:03:56.000 And I commend you.

00:03:57.000 And the attacking doesn't bother me, actually.

00:03:59.000 I know it doesn't.

00:03:59.000 And that's what the interesting part of this story is.

00:04:01.000 I get called these names every single day, regardless of a cultural crisis or not.

00:04:06.000 And what bothered me, though, was that someone who's in charge of a 66,000-member church decided not to stand for truth.

00:04:14.000 That's what bothered me about this story.

00:04:16.000 Me being attacked and slandered, get in line.

00:04:18.000 I mean, that's a daily occurrence.

00:04:21.000 This is a real test on the body of Christ, in that we're going to be revealed for what it is we truly consider the most important thing.

00:04:32.000 If it's Instagram followers as opposed to truth, then that's going to be revealed.

00:04:37.000 Let's talk about that.

00:04:38.000 I made a series of videos in the last couple of weeks that some said were controversial.

00:04:44.000 I don't consider it to be controversial in the slightest. 0.58

00:04:46.000 The first video was really going after people that were posting the black squares on social media who were completely reinforcing and pushing power, if you will, to a narrative that is about destroying the Western prescribed nuclear family.

00:05:01.000 BlacklivesMatter.com, it says that. 0.68

00:05:03.000 Our job is to disrupt the Western prescribed nuclear family, to abolish prisons, abolish police, and also hyper-focus on skin color, not contents of character, not spirituality.

00:05:12.000 And so I started to, I spoke out initially about that.

00:05:16.000 I made another video talking about data and science and statistics about how it is a tragedy when an unarmed black man is killed by a police officer.

00:05:25.000 However, it is not a widespread tragedy.

00:05:28.000 And so both those things can be independently true and also harmoniously true.

00:05:32.000 And that somehow really irritated people because it seemed as if during a moment that we were having in the country, you weren't allowed to say that, which really bothers me.

00:05:41.000 Yeah, it doesn't fit the narrative. 0.95

00:05:43.000 It's like you have to sit down and shut up.

00:05:45.000 In fact, I was on an email chain with an individual of conservatives who literally said, Charlie, it's time for you to sit down and shut up to what's happening.

00:05:55.000 It's just unbelievable to me to hear.

00:05:58.000 And I'm not going to say any names.

00:05:59.000 I'm not in the business of doing that.

00:06:01.000 But then I made a video because it really started to bother me, Rob.

00:06:04.000 And let's talk about it.

00:06:06.000 When I started to see church leaders, pastors, posting the black squares, posting on their Twitter and their Facebook and their Instagram themselves and their family at Black Lives Matter rallies.

00:06:20.000 And I spoke out very forcefully.

00:06:21.000 I said, it's very interesting for some of you celebrity pastors out there.

00:06:25.000 I went back to Sanctity Life Sunday.

00:06:26.000 I went back to their post, nothing about the horror of abortion, nothing about the epidemic of fatherlessness in the black community. 0.50

00:06:33.000 Instead, it was, I'm going to get into the stream of the narrative right now to either make myself safe, mark myself safe from group humiliation, or maybe it makes them feel good.

00:06:49.000 Yeah.

00:06:51.000 I love the way you did that on that posting because if we truly stand behind the simplicity of a black tile, and that's the effort we're going to make, and you look at 2016, 2020, which is the only time you see in the media Black Lives Matter. 0.78

00:07:09.000 Massive spikes in traffic on media.

00:07:13.000 But the reality is they're nowhere to be found.

00:07:17.000 And these churches that put up that black tile, it doesn't do squat because you're supporting an organization that they know very little about because they haven't studied to show themselves approved.

00:07:28.000 They don't know.

00:07:29.000 They think that truth is held only within the confines of scripture.

00:07:33.000 But yet in Philippians, it says whatsoever things are true, which means you have to find truth in politics.

00:07:38.000 You have to find the truth in biology.

00:07:40.000 You have to find the truth in physics.

00:07:42.000 You've got to study to show yourself approved unto God.

00:07:45.000 And that means that you have to rightly divide that. 0.98

00:07:47.000 So if you're going to stand upon Black Lives Matter, Love Hopes All Things.

00:07:52.000 I know that They're sympathetic and empathetic to what happened to George Floyd and everyone else who's been every human being.

00:08:00.000 I got that.

00:08:01.000 So, love hopes all things.

00:08:03.000 But to be ignorant of what Black Lives Matter stands for and to ask your congregations to support that, that is unconscionable.

00:08:11.000 You have not studied. 0.80

00:08:12.000 You have not done your homework. 0.92

00:08:14.000 And then to dump on you in relation to that, this statistic, 13% of America is black Americans.

00:08:23.000 And you break that down, male, female, the 6.5% female, break it down to childbearing.

00:08:28.000 That's 4% of the population of America is responsible for 40% of the abortions. 0.92

00:08:33.000 It's a holocaust on the black community through abortion.

00:08:36.000 Nothing's being said from the pulpits in relation to that because it's not a popular position. 0.78

00:08:40.000 They don't say anything.

00:08:41.000 And it's about 400,000 abortions a year in the black community.

00:08:45.000 If you see a black woman on a subway in New York City, statistics show she's more likely to end up going to Planned Parenthood than the delivery room. 0.59

00:08:52.000 If you see a pregnant black woman on the bus or the subway or walking the streets of Fifth Avenue.

00:08:56.000 And so my criticism towards these pastors was mostly focused on, wait a second, if black lives matter to you, if that is now the thing that matters the most to your activist, your activist mentality, your activism, I should say, your silence on abortion is deafening.

00:09:13.000 And also, I also look at the posting of the black tile as something even deeper than attributing to a, let's just say, a malevolent group, which it is. 0.51

00:09:13.000 Yeah. 0.51

00:09:25.000 I'm talking about the organization.

00:09:26.000 I'm talking about the leadership.

00:09:28.000 I'm talking about the goals and the aims.

00:09:32.000 I look at it as surrendering to something that is not true.

00:09:39.000 Right.

00:09:40.000 And culture's driving them, not them.

00:09:41.000 And what's not true is that this is a widespread, out-of-control, structural problem that is beyond reproach, that warrants hundreds of thousands of individuals in the streets.

00:09:59.000 That is not true. 0.97

00:10:00.000 And that's what bothers me the most is when you put that black tile up, of course, black lives matter, all lives matter.

00:10:08.000 And I say that time and time again, and people say, oh, you can't say I don't.

00:10:11.000 Well, I say it.

00:10:12.000 It's racist to say that.

00:10:13.000 However, when I say something is not true, that's not what I'm saying.

00:10:15.000 What I'm saying is not true is when I see people that say a black person can't walk down the street without the credible threat of a police officer gunning them down.

00:10:15.000 It's not true.

00:10:24.000 Just not true.

00:10:25.000 It's just statistically untrue. 0.94

00:10:27.000 In fact, it's more true that a police officer will be killed by a black person than an unarmed police, police, an unarmed black man will be killed by a police officer. 0.60

00:10:35.000 In fact, it's more true that a white person, statistically even factoring in demographics and age and proportion of population, a white individual is more likely to be killed by a police officer than a black person. 0.65

00:10:44.000 In fact, the studies shown, according to the University of Maryland College Park and Michigan State University, and independent studies by black researchers at Harvard University show that police officers show a multiple amount of restraint towards black individuals that commit crimes than white individuals that commit crimes. 0.66

00:10:59.000 In fact, there is data to show that police officers go out of their way to try to not engage into violence. 0.54

00:11:06.000 And so one isolated incident in Minnesota that is evil and was a sin, and he's going to be held accountable.

00:11:12.000 And the other officers as well. 0.98

00:11:14.000 Who are cowards. 0.88

00:11:15.000 Interesting, in our city, as you know, I held the position of mayor for the city of Thousand Oaks.

00:11:21.000 And I was mayor following the shooting that happened in the borderline dance hall.

00:11:27.000 And we lost 12 of our citizens, young people, and two of them were from our congregation.

00:11:34.000 And the officer that went in to stop the shooter didn't look at skin color.

00:11:39.000 He just went in to stop evil.

00:11:40.000 As Romans 13 says, he's a minister of justice to execute wrath on those who do evil.

00:11:45.000 So Officer Healis goes in and he's waylaid.

00:11:49.000 The guy ambushes him and shoots him.

00:11:52.000 He didn't die from that.

00:11:53.000 It was the CHP officer that came down and a bullet from his weapon killed Officer Healas.

00:11:58.000 But Officer Healis and that CHP officer put that gunman on notice where he went into the office and capped himself and stopped the killing.

00:12:06.000 And there were hundreds of kids that could have been killed.

00:12:08.000 There were 12 that were.

00:12:10.000 Of the 12 that were killed, one of them in particular, his brother, Blake Dingman, was the victim.

00:12:17.000 His brother's Aiden.

00:12:18.000 Aiden went on Instagram and he was upset.

00:12:22.000 And he said, Was there white privilege for my brother when he was killed?

00:12:28.000 And the fascinating thing about Thousand Oaks is it was T.O. Strong after the shootings and the fires, T.O. Strong.

00:12:34.000 And we named a freeway after Officer Healas.

00:12:37.000 And we were all about our officers and supporting them.

00:12:40.000 And everyone in America was in complete agreement.

00:12:43.000 I haven't met one person who was the opposite.

00:12:46.000 Everyone that I've met and everyone that they've met, full agreement, what happened to George Floyd was evil.

00:12:51.000 End of story.

00:12:53.000 But yet, overnight, we have targeted our police.

00:12:58.000 Over 700 have been injured.

00:12:59.000 Others have been murdered.

00:13:02.000 And two black police officers, Patrick Underwood, David Dorne.

00:13:05.000 David Dorne, you know, he wasn't he chief of police.

00:13:09.000 And he was 77 years old.

00:13:10.000 77 years old.

00:13:12.000 He was retired, but still was a police officer, always a police officer, is upset that a local pawn shop is being looted.

00:13:18.000 Looted.

00:13:19.000 And he goes to defend his community and tries to de-escalate the situation.

00:13:22.000 And yet he gets killed on a Facebook Live for a television.

00:13:25.000 And the churches in America, instead of stepping into these communities that are burning, step behind the narrative of the organization that's responsible for the destruction of these cities, the looting of these cities, supporting a party that is every single one of these cities, Democrat governor, Democrat mayor, Democrat, Democrat, all the way down the line.

00:13:48.000 They're the ones burning.

00:13:49.000 They're the ones decimated. 0.98

00:13:50.000 And Black Lives Matter, Act Blue, it all goes to the Democratic Party. 0.65

00:13:54.000 And our pastors don't realize this.

00:13:58.000 And yet you're standing upon truth.

00:14:01.000 Candace is standing upon truth.

00:14:02.000 David Harris Jr. is standing upon truth.

00:14:04.000 All these folks.

00:14:05.000 And they're ridiculed and the church decides to join the narrative because it's convenient and it gets more Instagram followers.

00:14:11.000 That's unconscionable.

00:14:12.000 What do you have to say specifically to these pastors?

00:14:16.000 Speak to them.

00:14:16.000 Yeah, I want to speak to them because I've held office.

00:14:19.000 And I know the cultural mountain of influence in regards to politics.

00:14:24.000 I know how things operate legislatively because I've participated in it.

00:14:28.000 And I want to say to them, as they're in their pulpits, their ignorance of what is necessary to move this nation in a direction that would honor God, a system of laws that God has established.

00:14:40.000 Because 430 years after Abraham was saved by grace in Genesis, God gives the law.

00:14:46.000 And he gives the law not so that we can't keep it and we're saved by grace.

00:14:50.000 It's deeper than that.

00:14:52.000 He gave it so that we could live together and understand how to operate in community with moral knowledge.

00:14:58.000 But we've abandoned that understanding.

00:15:00.000 We don't help in educating our congregations and discipling them on what government looks like infused by the wisdom that God gives through the scriptures.

00:15:09.000 So when you stand upon socialism and you think that that's kind of hip and in vogue with your young people, you're in violation of two of the Ten Commandments.

00:15:18.000 Your scriptural knowledge, we've abdicated contending for truth beyond the pulpits and the word of God.

00:15:25.000 And we've left ourselves ignorant of truth within politics.

00:15:29.000 And we've also abdicated how the media informs us.

00:15:33.000 We don't care about truth in those other areas.

00:15:35.000 And that's detrimental to our communities.

00:15:37.000 And I think it's worse than that, Rob.

00:15:39.000 You have pastors actively participating in the world.

00:15:41.000 Actively participating.

00:15:42.000 It's not just that they're silent.

00:15:42.000 Yeah.

00:15:43.000 Silence is a separate issue.

00:15:48.000 It's worse.

00:15:49.000 They're complicit.

00:15:50.000 They're pushing power.

00:15:51.000 They are raising money.

00:15:53.000 I have seen pastors from Southern California, and I will not say churches.

00:15:58.000 Well, from the group of churches that I'm affiliated with.

00:16:01.000 That have massive social media followings that are posting homemade signs that they made, no accident, with their children, Rob, at a Black Lives Matter protest that says all lives don't matter until Black Lives Matter.

00:16:17.000 The other one has blacklivesmatter.com, the website to push traffic to it on that homemade website.

00:16:23.000 Yeah.

00:16:23.000 Children, six years old, Christian.

00:16:26.000 How did it get to this?

00:16:27.000 Well, in addition, we're talking about white privilege.

00:16:30.000 I mean, this is contrary to Deuteronomy, where it says, and we do this idea with social justice, even from the pulpits.

00:16:36.000 There's nothing before the word justice.

00:16:37.000 It's just justice.

00:16:39.000 And even in Deuteronomy, the Lord says you're not going to be favor.

00:16:43.000 You won't favor the poor or the rich.

00:16:46.000 Justice operates regardless.

00:16:48.000 You can't show.

00:16:48.000 It's supposed to be blind.

00:16:49.000 It's supposed to be blind.

00:16:51.000 And yet we, as ministers, would rather yield to popularity than what the word says and the truth of that.

00:17:00.000 And we're bending ourselves into a pretzel to try to accommodate the left.

00:17:04.000 And you know what?

00:17:05.000 They can't be appeased.

00:17:07.000 And all you're going to end up doing is compromising the truth for a lie, and you'll exchange the truth for a lie.

00:17:12.000 And we'll be more strictly judged as ministers.

00:17:15.000 And Charlie, when I look at folks like you and Candace and David and others that I went down the list of.

00:17:21.000 Stephen Davis.

00:17:22.000 Stephen Davis.

00:17:23.000 MAGA Hulk.

00:17:24.000 MAGA Hulk.

00:17:25.000 When I look at folks that are doing this, standing for truth, and Fog City Midge, when I see folks like that standing in the midst of conflict, unwavering, and speaking truth, that is what the ministry should be doing.

00:17:47.000 It has to cost us something.

00:17:49.000 And yet we are compromising for the sake of popularity.

00:17:53.000 And that's dangerous.

00:17:55.000 How did it get to that, though?

00:18:00.000 When you look at the formation of the early church after Pentecost and the Spirit Falls, persecution has never been a problem for the church.

00:18:06.000 It's always been a healthy thing for the church.

00:18:10.000 The fear of man is a snare.

00:18:12.000 And we get to a place where we're content with the popularity because it really does become a business.

00:18:21.000 And now we're having to examine ourselves in the light of the persecution that's coming against the truth.

00:18:27.000 And the church is, you're being weighed in the balance and you're being found wanting.

00:18:33.000 And really, I love this part, refiner's fire.

00:18:38.000 My heart's one desire is to be holy, set apart for you, Lord.

00:18:42.000 The refiner's fire.

00:18:43.000 You put all this ore in, you heat it up to an unbelievably hot temperature, it liquefies, and then the slag, the impurities by the intense temperature float to the surface, and the refiner skims off the slag and knows the metal's pure when he can see his reflection in the metal.

00:19:00.000 There's a lot of slag in the church, and God's turning up the temperature.

00:19:04.000 And that stuff's floating to the surface and revealing really what it is that's most important to us.

00:19:09.000 And it's not the truth, sadly.

00:19:10.000 You know what's really interesting, what I'm finding, is that conservatives, outspoken conservatives, Candace, David Harris Jr., Stephen Davis, who's an Agahul we have on the podcast, and many others.

00:19:24.000 Benny Johnson.

00:19:25.000 Benny, yeah.

00:19:25.000 What's interesting, though, this is a theory I've been working out.

00:19:29.000 They're Christians.

00:19:31.000 They're also conservatives.

00:19:32.000 But they're persecuted all the time.

00:19:34.000 By the church.

00:19:35.000 By the church, too.

00:19:36.000 But they're by the secular word, everyone.

00:19:38.000 And so I get pastors that are reaching out to me privately asking me for advice how they can speak out.

00:19:45.000 And I say, it's in your question.

00:19:48.000 Speak out.

00:19:49.000 Amen.

00:19:50.000 And they, and I hand off some of these to you because you're able to articulate it differently.

00:19:55.000 But I'm not even able to process a world where I would stay silent.

00:20:01.000 I can't even imagine being in a community where I have to say, well, you know, we have to just kind of, you know, you're not running a hardware store, and there's nothing wrong with running a hardware store, but you're in the business of truth definitionally by running a church.

00:20:18.000 So you would think that persecution or offending or losing membership, which won't happen, by the way, that is a false fear planted by Satan.

00:20:25.000 The opposite will happen.

00:20:26.000 And even if it was, who cares?

00:20:29.000 So what?

00:20:31.000 They committed themselves to the apostles' teaching, and the Lord added to their numbers daily those who are being saved.

00:20:36.000 You look in the book of Acts 4 and 5, Ananias and Sapphira are struck dead for bringing deception into the church and wanting to appear as something they weren't.

00:20:46.000 It wasn't wrong that they gave money.

00:20:48.000 It wasn't even wrong that they held a portion back.

00:20:50.000 I mean, they were actually generous.

00:20:52.000 What was wrong is they lied.

00:20:54.000 And it wasn't to man.

00:20:55.000 They lied to God.

00:20:57.000 If we think that we're pulling something off because we're playing this game of walking on both sides, God's not impressed.

00:21:03.000 And nobody messes with his bride.

00:21:05.000 And when his bride is under fire like it was in Acts 4 and 5, he's striking these people dead to protect the church.

00:21:13.000 And what do they ask for when they're under persecution?

00:21:16.000 What does Peter and John ask for?

00:21:17.000 What do the disciples ask for when Herod and all these government entities are coming after him?

00:21:21.000 What do they ask for?

00:21:22.000 They didn't ask for them to vanquish those who are coming after him.

00:21:25.000 They said, Lord, look upon their threats.

00:21:28.000 But they said, for us, Lord, would you give us a boldness to proclaim your word?

00:21:36.000 They wanted to stand even more bold.

00:21:39.000 What a wonderful time to be alive.

00:21:42.000 And then the country is so overwhelmed with censorship and a compromising of the truth.

00:21:50.000 They're looking for a beacon of truth that they can say that person's standing.

00:21:56.000 And I love the idea.

00:21:59.000 In the book of Acts that Luke wrote, he's a doctor.

00:22:03.000 He didn't use medical terms when he said that the sick were brought to them and then Peter's shadow would lay them down and Peter's shadow would cross them and the ones that were tormented would be made well.

00:22:16.000 The word sick is not a medical term that Luke would use for an illness.

00:22:21.000 It means weak.

00:22:22.000 It means not knowing right and wrong, not knowing law and unlawful behavior.

00:22:27.000 It means they didn't have any moral fiber.

00:22:29.000 They were cast in the wind of doubt.

00:22:32.000 And they see a guy like Peter walk by and he's just empowered by the Lord, fearless.

00:22:37.000 And his shadow covers them and it says the tormented.

00:22:40.000 The word tormented translated in the Greek means those that incite to a mob.

00:22:44.000 Everyone's looking going, does anyone have answers to this?

00:22:48.000 And they're looking to the church and the church is buying into this distortion of truth.

00:22:58.000 And people are saying, oh, you stand upon that, your church is going to shrink.

00:23:02.000 Just the opposite, like you pointed out.

00:23:04.000 People want you to stand upon that.

00:23:06.000 They want to know what the word has to say about the economy, about immigration, about race relations.

00:23:12.000 They want to know.

00:23:14.000 And we got to be able to teach them.

00:23:16.000 And Charlie, you do that.

00:23:19.000 And for the pulpits in America to decry what you do, you're more effective than 95% of the pastors in this country.

00:23:26.000 Well, it's not a competition.

00:23:27.000 I know it isn't, but it's a necessary time for us to stand upon truth.

00:23:27.000 It's a thank you.

00:23:31.000 I say that as a challenge to the pastors, not as a competition, to wake up.

00:23:36.000 This is what we get to do.

00:23:36.000 Don't be afraid.

00:23:37.000 Well, we, praise God, our podcast has been ranked very high, and we're the top-ranked podcast that speaks openly about faith more so than any of these other celebrity pastor podcasts.

00:23:48.000 And, you know, if it stays there, great.

00:23:49.000 If it doesn't, you know, God will use it for good.

00:23:51.000 But it's interesting because we got an email this morning from a young man who says, I grew up in a pretty religious home.

00:23:58.000 I walked away from, I don't know where to start, but I've been inspired by how you have said that faith gives you comfort and direction.

00:24:06.000 Amen.

00:24:06.000 Where do I go?

00:24:07.000 And so you call this the Galatians 3.

00:24:09.000 Yeah, I love it.

00:24:11.000 I almost feel like the Lord led both you and I to that passage.

00:24:15.000 Because when we met, the church didn't understand you.

00:24:20.000 And I had been introduced to you that, oh, that's Charlie Kirk. 0.96

00:24:22.000 He's a conservative, but he doesn't know the Lord because he's got homosexuals on Turning Point USA.

00:24:27.000 He's got folks that are atheists and agnostics on Turning Point. 0.98

00:24:30.000 And they start going down the list of what's acceptable.

00:24:33.000 And obviously, he can't be born again.

00:24:36.000 And then I meet you.

00:24:37.000 And not only did I hear just a recording of you professing your faith, meeting you in person, watching you contend for truth.

00:24:46.000 And I was moved by your commitment to the Lord and your love for the Lord and your commitment to his word and to stand by it.

00:24:53.000 But then walking into the pulpits that are myopic and truncated in their gospel, they can't access the world you've had access to.

00:25:02.000 And they think that we're not allowed to soil ourselves in a world where people don't profess our faith.

00:25:08.000 But because of your knowledge of our founders and the brilliance of the laws of nature, nature's God, and delving into these philosophical thinkers and understanding the dynamics of politics, as Aristotle said, it's the highest form of community.

00:25:21.000 You're studying to show yourself approved. 0.99

00:25:23.000 They're ignorant. 0.97

00:25:25.000 And then when the Lord brought us to action, excuse me, Galatians 3, I called you because that was what the Lord showed me that God had gifted you with. 0.96

00:25:33.000 Read it.

00:25:34.000 I will.

00:25:36.000 So Paul is telling the church in Galatia, he just says to them, but before faith came, this is Galatians 3, 23 through 25.

00:25:43.000 You can read the entire chapter, but this is a part that hit me.

00:25:47.000 Paul says, but before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.

00:25:54.000 Therefore, the law was our tutor.

00:25:55.000 It's actually this idea of guardian.

00:25:57.000 It's a really beautiful term.

00:25:59.000 The law was our guardian to bring us to Christ that we might be justified by faith.

00:26:05.000 But after faith has come, we're no longer under that guardian.

00:26:10.000 God gave us the law, and our founders understood this so that we could live together and realize, thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not covet, thou shalt not.

00:26:24.000 And when you had these three to five million Jews that come out of slavery, placed in the wilderness, and God gives them the moral law, they lived together for 40 years without a police force or standing army because they understood government.

00:26:37.000 They understood we're accountable to God and accountable to each other, and they search the scriptures, appoint godly men who are not covetous over thousands, hundreds, fifties, tens.

00:26:45.000 That's where they got federal, state, county, local government.

00:26:48.000 The Lord is our king, our lawgiver, and our judge.

00:26:53.000 That's where you get executive, legislative, and judicial out of Isaiah.

00:26:57.000 And our founders understood this.

00:26:59.000 But now in the pulpits for the last 50 years, we've abdicated our responsibility in the public square.

00:27:04.000 And we have no idea how government operates.

00:27:06.000 And we say, oh, I just preached the gospel.

00:27:08.000 When did the gospel not speak to every realm of culture?

00:27:14.000 And well, politics is dirty.

00:27:16.000 I hear that from pastors.

00:27:17.000 I go, so's the church.

00:27:18.000 What's your point?

00:27:18.000 And then they say, you know, I'm tired of voting for the lesser of two evils.

00:27:22.000 I go, unless Jesus is running for office, you'll always be voting for the lesser of two evils.

00:27:27.000 It is an excuse to abdicate your responsibility, to study.

00:27:31.000 Study means work hard, to show yourself approved, that you're not ashamed.

00:27:36.000 If I asked you a question on any policy in this country, you would be able to give a biblical defense of why you stand the way you stand on every single one of these issues.

00:27:45.000 That's not going to be found in the pulpits of America.

00:27:48.000 I was challenged by my ignorance.

00:27:50.000 The Bible says, the pastoral epistle and Timothy, pray for kings and those in authority that we would live quiet and peaceable lives in all godliness and reverence.

00:27:58.000 Ask a pastor this.

00:28:00.000 And congregants, ask your pastors this.

00:28:02.000 That's a pastoral epistle.

00:28:03.000 It's a commandment.

00:28:05.000 And based on that, name by name the five city council members and the five school board members in your community that you, pastor, are praying for by name and the issues that they're dealing with that would allow your citizens to live quiet and peaceful lives in all godliness and reverence.

00:28:22.000 You not only don't know their names, you have no idea the issues they're dealing with because you've abdicated that responsibility in a nation that they govern by our consent because we're the sovereign.

00:28:36.000 And then they have the audacity to throw back at me, Romans 13.

00:28:39.000 Oh, God appoints all positions of authority, bro.

00:28:43.000 You know, that God gave us Gavin Newsom.

00:28:47.000 And you're not supposed to fight against, you have to obey.

00:28:50.000 We're to be subject to our governing authorities.

00:28:54.000 Yeah, let's not forget, Pastor, that our founders understood that as well.

00:28:59.000 And that's why they made you and I the authority, we the people.

00:29:03.000 And those that govern govern by our consent.

00:29:07.000 And we have the ability in this government to push back.

00:29:11.000 And they're bound by the Constitution.

00:29:13.000 Can you name how many articles, Pastor, in those?

00:29:15.000 No, they don't.

00:29:15.000 There's seven articles.

00:29:16.000 Do you know why it's broken down?

00:29:18.000 No, I don't.

00:29:19.000 Do you know how we formulated that scripturally?

00:29:21.000 No, I don't.

00:29:22.000 Well, whatsoever things are true, study to show yourself approved.

00:29:26.000 Charlie, you can do that, but they cannot.

00:29:28.000 But they would decry you.

00:29:30.000 That's my burden.

00:29:32.000 And that's what I'm calling pastors to.

00:29:35.000 Your congregants need to be led.

00:29:36.000 And this is the last one because I'm bloviating.

00:29:38.000 My bad, but hey, I'm passionate about this.

00:29:41.000 Don't apologize for talking truth.

00:29:43.000 Amen.

00:29:45.000 This is the last one that really gets me.

00:29:51.000 They govern by our consent.

00:29:53.000 And our founders declared that we are the sovereign, we the people.

00:29:58.000 And every king, and I've told you this, every king needs a counselor.

00:30:01.000 Every president needs a cabinet.

00:30:04.000 And the founders understood the value of the pulpit in America and how critical it was to the king, we the people.

00:30:11.000 They knew that only a republic can be governed by moral people and truth had to be contended for.

00:30:16.000 They knew the weakness of man, so they divided power between executive, legislative, and judicial, separating it, knowing the power wants to concentrate and keeping in the hands of the people.

00:30:27.000 And to do that, they gave them the most amazing counselors.

00:30:32.000 And they did that by the very first amendment in the Bill of Rights.

00:30:37.000 The freedom of the press, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and the freedom to peaceably assemble, peaceably assemble for a right of redress of grievances against the government.

00:30:47.000 They knew that a press that was wisely educated and moral would pursue truth.

00:30:53.000 But now they're pursuing censorship and their narrative, and it's no longer about truth.

00:30:58.000 They knew the pulpits being free would be able to declare truth and teach people how to be truthful within the journalistic world, how to be truthful within the realms of government, how to be true in every vestige of culture.

00:31:14.000 And they gave speech, and speech in the beginning was the word.

00:31:17.000 The word was with God.

00:31:19.000 You speak the truth, it changes the world.

00:31:22.000 The truth is a two-edged sword able to divide the thoughts and the intents of the heart.

00:31:27.000 It's living, it's breathing.

00:31:29.000 Truth is profound, but we've exchanged the truth for a lie.

00:31:34.000 We tolerate deception.

00:31:37.000 And not only that, we yield to it when we should be standing upon truth because that's the only thing that will set people free.

00:31:45.000 And when they hear that, then we stand with them for a right to peaceably assemble for redress of grievances against the government that governs by our consent.

00:31:53.000 And they're not teaching their people how to participate.

00:31:59.000 When we make the Lord's prayer, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

00:32:03.000 I asked the pastors, what does a government like that look like?

00:32:07.000 Freedom of man?

00:32:08.000 Because freedom, liberty is God's idea, not man's.

00:32:12.000 Is freedom equal distribution?

00:32:15.000 Where we all have to be the same and there's no creativity?

00:32:19.000 Where we're not allowed to accumulate wealth, even though all the laws are the protection of wealth and that capitalism is spoken of in the scriptures.

00:32:26.000 Of course, they wouldn't know that because they didn't study.

00:32:29.000 Is government the answer to generosity and benevolence?

00:32:34.000 No.

00:32:36.000 But you know that, and you can give a scriptural defense for it.

00:32:38.000 Do they?

00:32:40.000 And that's why I'm so inspired by you.

00:32:44.000 I'm 55 years old, Charlie.

00:32:45.000 You're 27.

00:32:47.000 26.

00:32:48.000 You're 26?

00:32:49.000 I thought you're 27.

00:32:51.000 Eventually.

00:32:52.000 So I'm more than twice your age, which is even more frustrating to me.

00:32:57.000 And you cast a shadow so big by towering.

00:33:03.000 And you're not going to accept this because you hate compliments.

00:33:06.000 But I'm declaring to the pastors out there, Candace Owens casts a shadow.

00:33:11.000 You know, David Harris Jr., all the folks we've listed, they cast a shadow of truth that those who are tormented look up and say, wow, there is hope in this world.

00:33:20.000 Truth is profound.

00:33:22.000 I can have a life that isn't going to be ruined in the next ice age or whatever it is, global warming, where they peddle in disinformation that scares our young people so that they can paralyze them by fear and ignorance.

00:33:41.000 And yet you're out there educating them.

00:33:44.000 I want the pulpits in America to be inspired by the courage all of you have shown in this generation.

00:33:52.000 And you've inspired me.

00:33:54.000 Thank you.

00:33:55.000 Well, we all just have to do our part.

00:33:57.000 We're doing a small part.

00:33:58.000 And you've poured into me.

00:34:02.000 And you're the only, I don't want to say the only pastor, but the first pastor I met that was like this.

00:34:06.000 And there's Jack Hibbs and the Barnetts here in Phoenix are phenomenal and many others that just stand on truth.

00:34:12.000 I can name them.

00:34:14.000 Many have not had the need of bail.

00:34:16.000 The fact we can name them, though, Rob.

00:34:17.000 That's true.

00:34:19.000 The problem.

00:34:20.000 The list isn't so long I wouldn't know who's on it.

00:34:22.000 Yeah.

00:34:23.000 You know, it's interesting.

00:34:24.000 I have a working theory that when I really dive into it with these pastors, there's a Rubicon that needs to be crossed.

00:34:32.000 And deep down, most of these pastors know what I'm saying is true.

00:34:36.000 And they agree with what I'm saying.

00:34:38.000 In fact, evidenced by the story I began with.

00:34:39.000 They like what I'm saying literally by pushing a button of approval on digital media.

00:34:46.000 However, there is a line where they are perfectly comfortable with telling a bunch of people you're going to hell if you don't make a specific confession and acceptance.

00:34:58.000 That's cool.

00:35:00.000 By the way, that's probably the thing that should offend most people.

00:35:04.000 Eternal damnation.

00:35:06.000 Yeah, you think.

00:35:08.000 I think actually using Aristotelian logic, that would be the ultimate offensive comment that you will never have a nice moment again if you don't do it.

00:35:18.000 There's no party in hell.

00:35:20.000 However, they're cool with that.

00:35:23.000 Some.

00:35:24.000 Sure.

00:35:25.000 Let's struggle over that one.

00:35:26.000 Let's deal with the people that are.

00:35:28.000 Because there are people that do that.

00:35:31.000 But the moment they have to cross the Rubicon, to use a Julius Caesar analogy, the moment that they have to, I don't know.

00:35:41.000 Abortion?

00:35:44.000 Offend some of my congregants. 1.00

00:35:47.000 Talking about Black Lives Matter, I can't do that.

00:35:53.000 Rob, there are pastors taking knees, not for Christ, but to apologize for something they never did.

00:36:05.000 Charlie, this is the way God made me.

00:36:09.000 I can't change my skin color.

00:36:14.000 I have never owned slaves.

00:36:18.000 I'm not racist.

00:36:23.000 I don't even have to defend it.

00:36:24.000 It's just, it's that simple.

00:36:27.000 And to apologize for something that I've never done, to pay reparations for something I've never done, nor my ancestors, and go down the lineage.

00:36:36.000 But regardless, the Bible says that he takes our sin and he casts it as far as the east is from the west to be remembered no more.

00:36:46.000 We've been cleansed of all unrighteousness.

00:36:49.000 Forgiven.

00:36:52.000 And it's the enemy.

00:36:54.000 It says, who is he that condemns?

00:36:56.000 It's a rhetorical question saying it's Satan who brings the guilt and the condemnation so that you can be shamed.

00:37:02.000 And what's fascinating is we want people to feel guilty for something they've never done.

00:37:08.000 And those that have committed a crime, we don't want to hold them accountable and we let them go.

00:37:12.000 You can burn a building.

00:37:14.000 You can torch a business.

00:37:16.000 You can deface public property.

00:37:19.000 They apprehend you and you're immediately released. 0.94

00:37:22.000 But yet those of you who have the businesses that have been lost, those of you who live these type of lives, you're guilty by the simple fact of your skin color. 0.93

00:37:30.000 And they pit us against one another to come steal, kill, and destroy, and devour. 0.82

00:37:34.000 And pastors stand upon that as though they're defending the destruction of a culture built on law and order.

00:37:44.000 And the ones that are going to be most affected when we remove the sheepdog, the police, are these inner cities.

00:37:51.000 And they still don't see it.

00:37:55.000 And they don't stand in defense of law enforcement, which is beyond my understanding.

00:38:03.000 For the culture to say sweepingly that there's systemic racism in the police force is patentedly wrong.

00:38:12.000 It's just not true.

00:38:13.000 And it's not supported by data.

00:38:14.000 No, not supported by data.

00:38:16.000 It's not anecdotally true.

00:38:18.000 None of it.

00:38:18.000 And it's none of it.

00:38:20.000 But it's popular, and so they stand upon it, which puts a target on all these police officers who are ministers of justice to execute wrath on those who would do evil.

00:38:29.000 They're having to defend constitutional rights from legislators who are violating them to protect we the people.

00:38:35.000 And the exact same time they're being targeted by nefarious forces on the left and the right that seek to destroy this constitutional republic, whether it's fascism or communism, which are part of the horseshoe.

00:38:47.000 They're both oligarchies.

00:38:48.000 It doesn't matter. 0.98

00:38:48.000 They're both terrible. 0.98

00:38:51.000 And they're targeted.

00:38:52.000 And we should be supporting them as fellow ministers.

00:38:55.000 But we don't.

00:38:56.000 I look at police officers as, and here's the very simple.

00:39:02.000 This uses Aristotelian logic.

00:39:05.000 If you're thinking you're using that form of logic, because he discovered it.

00:39:10.000 He didn't give it.

00:39:10.000 God, the laws of logic will exist before and after man.

00:39:14.000 And we know that in John 1.

00:39:15.000 Whatsoever is true.

00:39:16.000 Whatsoever is true.

00:39:17.000 But logos, the idea to think, is actually the Greek term we use to also describe truth, Christ.

00:39:22.000 And Christ, literally in John 1.

00:39:24.000 Right.

00:39:24.000 There's a reason why that word has the same Greek meaning in pathos, ethos, logos, Christ, because we took it as absolute truth in the hierarchy.

00:39:33.000 We have to understand that you cannot fully understand John unless you understand Socrates, Plato, Aristotle.

00:39:40.000 And I could make the argument that Christ studied the classics.

00:39:46.000 Because there's that kind of decade that we don't know what Jesus did.

00:39:50.000 And as a theologian once told me, he's probably up to some good studying during that decade.

00:39:54.000 Now, Jesus knows everything, right?

00:39:55.000 Yeah.

00:39:56.000 And so the studying could have been reminding or remembering or could have been ceremonies.

00:39:59.000 We don't know, right?

00:40:00.000 However, there's something to be said, though, that communicating to those times, there were ceilings that the classics were hitting because they were men.

00:40:08.000 Jesus is God.

00:40:10.000 So understanding that to be true, the laws of logic are critical.

00:40:16.000 Man is flawed.

00:40:17.000 We know that.

00:40:20.000 Amen.

00:40:21.000 Because man is flawed, you need laws.

00:40:23.000 We know that.

00:40:23.000 Yep.

00:40:24.000 Yep.

00:40:25.000 And we've been.

00:40:26.000 The laws are the wise restraints that make men free.

00:40:28.000 Amen.

00:40:28.000 And that used to be what the Harvard Law School used to talk about now.

00:40:32.000 Still on the stairwell, but that's man flawed, need laws.

00:40:38.000 Laws require the enforcement of laws.

00:40:41.000 Right. 0.97

00:40:42.000 Right. 0.59

00:40:42.000 A minister of justice to execute wrath on those who do evil. 0.59

00:40:45.000 Logical, right?

00:40:45.000 So an enforcement of laws must be a human being.

00:40:50.000 Human beings, go back to number one, are flawed.

00:40:54.000 That's it.

00:40:55.000 And they must be held accountable, consent of the governed.

00:40:57.000 Amen.

00:40:58.000 And how do we hold them accountable?

00:41:00.000 By the counselors that defend and stand upon truth because they're educated in all aspects whatsoever is true.

00:41:07.000 And they make disciples, not converts.

00:41:09.000 What's the difference?

00:41:10.000 A convert is you raise your hand to attest to Jesus Christ, you know, that he was crucified, buried, and resurrected.

00:41:21.000 And you're saved by grace through faith.

00:41:23.000 If you believe in your heart and confess with your tongue, Jesus is Lord, you will be saved to the glory of the Father.

00:41:27.000 And you acknowledge that, and you raise your hand, you've been converted.

00:41:32.000 But that's like a baby being born and leaving it on the operating table.

00:41:36.000 Discipleship, you've got to raise that baby.

00:41:38.000 First, it's the milk of the word, and it's all truth that you start to build upon.

00:41:43.000 And the teaching.

00:41:44.000 And you look at Psalm 119, which is all education.

00:41:47.000 It's all about the law.

00:41:48.000 And it's all on how to educate your children.

00:41:50.000 Psalms and Proverbs, wisdom and praise, taking them through all these biblical principles on how we should govern ourselves.

00:41:58.000 We don't teach the entirety of God's Word.

00:42:00.000 We may teach the 66 books of the Bible, but everything boils down to a conversion aspect.

00:42:05.000 Where is Christ in this capacity?

00:42:07.000 We never relay the application of the text to anything regarding the government.

00:42:12.000 That's a good point.

00:42:13.000 And we need to.

00:42:14.000 And what I find, though, and the reason why churches are lacking the fire that these protesters are lacking and the Christians is because they've been told, and many of these churches, their business model is salvation altar calls, which I have support.

00:42:30.000 I do.

00:42:31.000 But then it stops there.

00:42:33.000 Because then what you have is those Christians that raise those hands, and I've seen this happen, and it's the most amazing day, and they accept Jesus Christ their Lord and Savior, and they might go as far to get baptized.

00:42:44.000 But then a week passes by, a month passes by, and they turn on the news.

00:42:49.000 And they see the streets of Seattle being taken over by anarchists.

00:42:52.000 And they ask the correct question: how does my faith inform my new faith?

00:42:58.000 Yeah.

00:42:58.000 My salvation.

00:42:59.000 How does it inform what I do here?

00:43:00.000 So they go back to the mega church, the celebrity pastor, say, hey, Pastor, I'm so fired up for Christ.

00:43:06.000 Thank you.

00:43:06.000 As you know, I did the altar call.

00:43:08.000 I did the baptism thing.

00:43:09.000 I'm raising my hand in church during music.

00:43:11.000 I'm born new.

00:43:11.000 I love it.

00:43:12.000 I'm listening enough about Christian music.

00:43:14.000 But, you know, the anarchist thing in Seattle, how am I supposed to make sense of that?

00:43:21.000 We don't really take stands on that kind of stuff.

00:43:23.000 Well, they're going to take a stand, but it's going to be the one of least resistance. 0.99

00:43:28.000 And the one of least resistance, but this Christian's like, but I thought you just told me all about this, like, firm truth, and we've got to make decisions. 0.96

00:43:33.000 We've got to be really clear about things, right? 0.95

00:43:35.000 And what ends up happening is you have confused and corrupted Christians from that point forward. 0.57

00:43:41.000 And what comes to me is these Christians come up to me and they say, Charlie, you're one of the few podcasters or thinkers or whatever you want to describe it that connects the gospel to all of a sudden connects to the world because that's where the Christians, outside of that hour a week service or hour and a half week, they got to contest in this world and they're being peppered with, what do I do? 0.67

00:44:01.000 What do I eat? 0.92

00:44:02.000 How do I do all this?

00:44:03.000 And the church is not equipping them for any of that.

00:44:06.000 And why are we losing our young people?

00:44:08.000 It's real simple.

00:44:09.000 The Bible says, remember thy creator in the days of thy youth, because that's when you're most passionate.

00:44:13.000 You see that with all the Turning Point USA kids.

00:44:16.000 I mean, they're fearless.

00:44:17.000 And they stand on these campuses surrounded by those who are contrary to the mob.

00:44:22.000 By the mob.

00:44:22.000 How many of these Christians have been surrounded by a physical mob?

00:44:25.000 But they're passionate about these truths and they stand upon them because they know that these applied in government give them a hope.

00:44:33.000 And then you see these activists that are standing upon deception, but they're still passionate about it because someone has at least laid out a roadmap.

00:44:40.000 Oh, if we burn all the buildings, then we'll be able to have an idea.

00:44:42.000 It's the mobilization of grievances.

00:44:45.000 And that is so dangerous.

00:44:47.000 But the church doesn't know how to equip our young people when they're passionate about wanting a world they can live in with answers to address the issues of their contemporaries that are coming at them.

00:44:59.000 And who's doing that?

00:45:00.000 You?

00:45:01.000 Turning point.

00:45:03.000 You know, and I can name on one hand a number of other organizations doing that.

00:45:08.000 But that's it.

00:45:09.000 Certainly not the churches.

00:45:11.000 We can't give a ready answer.

00:45:13.000 We're not prepared.

00:45:14.000 We're not equipped for that.

00:45:15.000 Oh, bro, I preach the gospel.

00:45:17.000 What does that mean?

00:45:18.000 I preach the gospel every day, too.

00:45:20.000 Are you inferring that because I know how scripture speaks to different areas of society and how to govern based on that and can give a ready answer, that somehow I've compromised the gospel?

00:45:31.000 The compromising comes on their part, not ours.

00:45:33.000 They're inferring that the gospel is insulated or is absent to politics, the governance, or life.

00:45:40.000 Yeah, they've truncated it and made it myopic.

00:45:42.000 That's correct. 0.99

00:45:43.000 And what ends up happening is you have passive, unfulfilled Christians that leave the church and go towards Eastern religions or spirituality, or they leave altogether. 0.86

00:45:55.000 Or even worse, they become activists misinterpreting the scripture for pseudo-Marxism, which is what you're seeing now. 0.77

00:46:03.000 Because you take a little bit of truth, or you take truth and you just salt a little bit of a lie into it, and over time they buy into it.

00:46:12.000 And then we lose all of our young people because we're not giving them answers, and that's what they're looking for.

00:46:17.000 They're looking for order in a chaotic world.

00:46:21.000 And that's why I tell pastors this and they reject it.

00:46:23.000 I say, Jordan Peterson has brought more people to Christ than any evangelist in the modern era.

00:46:29.000 He's actually the modern-day Billy Graham.

00:46:31.000 And who would have thought that a social psychologist from Canada who is not even a Christian by standards that you and I were, but he knows scripture better than most Christians because he studies the Bible archetypically and he defends the Bible against atheists.

00:46:47.000 For hours on end, he will contest for the truth of the Bible, but it's a different type of truth.

00:46:53.000 It's not the historical, it's a truth of saying these stories matter.

00:46:57.000 You can't just throw this book out.

00:46:58.000 Like, there's something here.

00:47:00.000 And what he argues is that you need order.

00:47:04.000 And, you know, he's not doing well health-wise right now.

00:47:07.000 I think hopefully he'll have a bounce back.

00:47:10.000 We need him right now.

00:47:11.000 Because what he was able to do is bring people out of this forest of chaos and secular leftism.

00:47:16.000 And he can contend in academia for that.

00:47:18.000 And he has the credibility and the social psychology credentials, and he understands the workings of the mind.

00:47:23.000 And unfortunately, a lot of the discourse right now is built on arguments of authority that if you don't have the right credentials, they don't even let you on the stage.

00:47:30.000 And for him, he has all the credentials.

00:47:32.000 But they're even starting to dismiss that as well.

00:47:34.000 Of course they are.

00:47:36.000 And that's why we need brave folks to stand, having done all, to stand.

00:47:40.000 Girding yourself, putting on the armor of God.

00:47:43.000 And then you have this offensive weapon, the sword of scripture.

00:47:47.000 That's an offensive weapon to divide between what is true and what isn't in every realm of creation.

00:47:55.000 Contend, fight.

00:47:57.000 I didn't come to bring peace, but a sword.

00:47:59.000 That sword is truth. 0.94

00:48:02.000 And it turns families. 0.99

00:48:03.000 I mean, we're watching this in our nation right now, that you're canceled in your own family if you don't do the black tile.

00:48:10.000 No, it's even worse.

00:48:11.000 Celebrities are encouraging kids to leave their families at age 14, 15 if their parents don't support Black Lives Matter movement.

00:48:18.000 And report them.

00:48:19.000 That's right.

00:48:20.000 If they're not abiding by this scandemic and everything else that we're being told to accept.

00:48:26.000 And I'm watching churches.

00:48:28.000 This is, I'm in California, Charlie.

00:48:30.000 You know this.

00:48:31.000 Where we have the most draconian lockdown measures on a virus that is highly contagious, but the lethality, the deadliness of it, mortality rate, 99.2 to 99.7% survival rate of those who contract it.

00:48:47.000 And it's hyper-focused on nursing homes and people with pre-65 and older with mortality.

00:48:53.000 But we have draconian lockdown measures that are destroying our economy.

00:48:56.000 And remember this, you know, the unemployed in America are more than the entire population of California, but the unemployed in California is greater than the total of 28 other states.

00:49:07.000 So we're watching these draconian rules ruin our state, and the church is still considered non-essential.

00:49:12.000 But the two sacraments in the Protestant realm, I think there's seven in Catholicism, but the two in the Protestant realm, baptism and communion, and they would hinder their congregations from a sacrament that's defended by the First Amendment and allow the governor under a scandemic to tell them they're non-essential and they'll play that role because they don't want to offend so that they can preach the gospel.

00:49:36.000 What's the point of the gospel if it doesn't defend truth and stand upon truth?

00:49:42.000 This is a scam.

00:49:44.000 Study.

00:49:45.000 Point it out to your congregations that this is a lie.

00:49:48.000 And when we opened up the church, all of a sudden they're saying the church is non-essential, but you're allowed to have riots.

00:49:55.000 You're allowed to have protests.

00:49:56.000 No masks on.

00:49:57.000 So we open, you know, and we've been open.

00:50:00.000 And I just told it, we took away all social distancing.

00:50:03.000 And we said, look, if you're concerned about social distancing, we're running the FM station in the parking lot.

00:50:08.000 Sit in your car and enjoy it.

00:50:09.000 But you come in here.

00:50:11.000 Liberty is going to require that you're going to have the consequences.

00:50:15.000 And responsibility.

00:50:16.000 And your self-awareness.

00:50:17.000 And your self-awareness.

00:50:18.000 Measure your risk.

00:50:19.000 Measure your risk.

00:50:20.000 And they come in.

00:50:22.000 And masks are optional.

00:50:24.000 And when they came in, nobody wanted to wear one.

00:50:27.000 I said, you're allowed to greet one another in accordance with how you feel.

00:50:29.000 Everybody hugged each other.

00:50:31.000 And this is the other thing I said.

00:50:33.000 For the sake of the governor who keeps moving the goalposts and the statement of these 1,500 health workers that said that, you know, these protests are acceptable, but the lockdown measures for stay-at-home orders still have to be enforced.

00:50:45.000 I just said, we're having a justice protest today.

00:50:49.000 And everyone laughed.

00:50:50.000 But it's just the wording.

00:50:53.000 If it's a protest, we're allowed to gather.

00:50:55.000 So we're protesting for true justice.

00:50:57.000 And that's it.

00:50:59.000 It's just crazy.

00:51:02.000 So I got to do that for the upcoming visit for the president here in Arizona if they try to shut us down.

00:51:07.000 We're doing a protest for freedom, justice.

00:51:10.000 For God's justice.

00:51:10.000 Yeah.

00:51:11.000 Just do a justice protest because they're saying social justice.

00:51:14.000 Just justice.

00:51:15.000 We're standing for justice.

00:51:18.000 That's it.

00:51:20.000 I love that.

00:51:21.000 Amen.

00:51:22.000 Move the goalpost.

00:51:23.000 We're still there.

00:51:23.000 It's truth.

00:51:24.000 We're standing for justice.

00:51:26.000 But why would the pastors not stand for sacraments and allow their people access?

00:51:33.000 Jesus said, as often as you do this, do this in remembrance of me.

00:51:36.000 You'll know the truth.

00:51:37.000 The truth will set you free.

00:51:38.000 It was the most profound communion service I have ever participated in on that Palm Sunday.

00:51:44.000 I remember.

00:51:45.000 And the press came out in droves.

00:51:48.000 And we haven't had a single outbreak of COVID in our church.

00:51:52.000 Not one.

00:51:54.000 Not one.

00:51:56.000 And we were going to be responsible for the death of hundreds and thousands of people in our city.

00:52:00.000 Not one.

00:52:04.000 And, oh, this is the best.

00:52:06.000 This is classic.

00:52:08.000 So the pastors in the community, I've had a relationship with them for the 20 years I've been there.

00:52:13.000 I love them all.

00:52:15.000 And they'll come to me privately and they'll say, I really appreciate what you're doing, but I publicly won't stand with you.

00:52:24.000 But I just wanted to encourage you.

00:52:26.000 I get it.

00:52:27.000 You know, I'm not the pioneer, but please keep doing what you're doing.

00:52:31.000 I'm praying for you, but I publicly can't stand with you.

00:52:34.000 All right, fine.

00:52:37.000 You know, you're missing out on a really great opportunity.

00:52:40.000 And a number of your congregants are coming over to our church because they don't have a place to go.

00:52:44.000 Yeah.

00:52:45.000 So in closing, what can people do?

00:52:49.000 We have a lot of seekers listening to this.

00:52:50.000 Yeah.

00:52:51.000 Just witness shortly to them.

00:52:55.000 You know, this idea of liberty.

00:52:58.000 Freedom is having choices, but liberty is standing upon truth.

00:53:02.000 Truth is what makes you free.

00:53:05.000 Now, you don't want to use that freedom to put you back into bondage. 0.98

00:53:09.000 So when you're pursuing this idea of how we live together in government with liberty, I would say this to all the seekers.

00:53:15.000 The source of that liberty, the source of that liberty is Jesus. 0.96

00:53:22.000 He's come that you would be set free.

00:53:23.000 You'd know the truth.

00:53:24.000 The truth would set you free.

00:53:26.000 That freedom comes when you stand upon truth.

00:53:29.000 And that truth is found in him.

00:53:31.000 He is the way, the truth, and the life.

00:53:33.000 No man comes to the Father but by him.

00:53:35.000 But the entirety of scripture will give you answers on every issue you're struggling with.

00:53:42.000 And stay tuned into organizations like Turning Point USA, where they're taking these biblical truths and they're applying them to every vestige of our culture.

00:53:50.000 Even with poplitics, I love that.

00:53:52.000 You guys are phenomenal in that regard.

00:53:54.000 So for all those seekers, Galatians 3, you're studying these.

00:53:58.000 You're going to come to know the God who's given these laws that will give you a hope for a nation that's unlike anything we've ever seen in the 6,000 years of recorded history upon the face of the earth.

00:54:08.000 And I tell people where to start.

00:54:09.000 I say, read John.

00:54:10.000 Read John.

00:54:11.000 And read Proverbs.

00:54:12.000 Proverbs is for wisdom.

00:54:12.000 Amen.

00:54:14.000 I've read that pretty much every day since I became a Christian years and years ago.

00:54:18.000 Those are rules for life. 0.92

00:54:19.000 Amen.

00:54:20.000 And what's your Instagram?

00:54:22.000 Oh, what is it?

00:54:23.000 I don't know.

00:54:24.000 Rob Rob Rob underscore McCoy.

00:54:26.000 Okay.

00:54:27.000 Let's give him some followers.

00:54:28.000 Rob, thanks for joining.

00:54:29.000 Oh, thanks, Charlie.

00:54:30.000 You rock.

00:54:31.000 You bless me.

00:54:32.000 And you call me your pastor.

00:54:34.000 You are.

00:54:35.000 I hear you say that.

00:54:36.000 But I'm inspired by you, and you bless me.

00:54:38.000 I'm honored that you would give me that moniker.

00:54:40.000 But more than that, I'm blessed by you, Charlie.

00:54:43.000 We lead pastors that fight.

00:54:45.000 And I can't, I only can find a couple of them.

00:54:48.000 There'll be more.

00:54:49.000 They're coming.

00:54:49.000 They're coming, Charlie.

00:54:50.000 Thanks for joining me.

00:54:51.000 Yeah, God bless you, man.

The Charlie Kirk Show - June 14, 2020

A Message to the American Church: Be Strong and Do Not Fear with Pastor Rob McCoy

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