00:00:29.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:00:50.000And I'm glad we have this opportunity to talk about it because my heart was heavy when I saw you getting kind of beat up in the Christian circles over standing for truth of all things.
00:01:32.000He approached me in an event, was very positive about it.
00:01:35.000And he liked some social media posts of mine that were not controversial in the slightest, that were all facts and all data.
00:01:40.000In fact, it was calling out the double standards of the left.
00:01:43.000What about Ralph Northam's past transgressions?
00:01:47.000So a non-member of his church started to make a big deal out of this.
00:01:50.000And then he goes on the stage and apologizes for saying it, saying that's not really what he believes, which now has resulted in the total slander of my name associated with it.
00:01:58.000And no benefit on their behalf because he ended up losing any connection with the city.
00:03:33.000We won't be able to continue when truth is being challenged and we are being asked to compromise in appeasement where the world is in desperate need of truth.
00:03:48.000When there's deceit out there, there's censorship.
00:04:38.000I made a series of videos in the last couple of weeks that some said were controversial.
00:04:44.000I don't consider it to be controversial in the slightest.
00:04:46.000The first video was really going after people that were posting the black squares on social media who were completely reinforcing and pushing power, if you will, to a narrative that is about destroying the Western prescribed nuclear family.
00:05:03.000Our job is to disrupt the Western prescribed nuclear family, to abolish prisons, abolish police, and also hyper-focus on skin color, not contents of character, not spirituality.
00:05:12.000And so I started to, I spoke out initially about that.
00:05:16.000I made another video talking about data and science and statistics about how it is a tragedy when an unarmed black man is killed by a police officer.
00:05:25.000However, it is not a widespread tragedy.
00:05:28.000And so both those things can be independently true and also harmoniously true.
00:05:32.000And that somehow really irritated people because it seemed as if during a moment that we were having in the country, you weren't allowed to say that, which really bothers me.
00:05:43.000It's like you have to sit down and shut up.
00:05:45.000In fact, I was on an email chain with an individual of conservatives who literally said, Charlie, it's time for you to sit down and shut up to what's happening.
00:06:06.000When I started to see church leaders, pastors, posting the black squares, posting on their Twitter and their Facebook and their Instagram themselves and their family at Black Lives Matter rallies.
00:06:26.000I went back to their post, nothing about the horror of abortion, nothing about the epidemic of fatherlessness in the black community.
00:06:33.000Instead, it was, I'm going to get into the stream of the narrative right now to either make myself safe, mark myself safe from group humiliation, or maybe it makes them feel good.
00:06:51.000I love the way you did that on that posting because if we truly stand behind the simplicity of a black tile, and that's the effort we're going to make, and you look at 2016, 2020, which is the only time you see in the media Black Lives Matter.
00:07:13.000But the reality is they're nowhere to be found.
00:07:17.000And these churches that put up that black tile, it doesn't do squat because you're supporting an organization that they know very little about because they haven't studied to show themselves approved.
00:08:41.000And it's about 400,000 abortions a year in the black community.
00:08:45.000If you see a black woman on a subway in New York City, statistics show she's more likely to end up going to Planned Parenthood than the delivery room.
00:08:52.000If you see a pregnant black woman on the bus or the subway or walking the streets of Fifth Avenue.
00:08:56.000And so my criticism towards these pastors was mostly focused on, wait a second, if black lives matter to you, if that is now the thing that matters the most to your activist, your activist mentality, your activism, I should say, your silence on abortion is deafening.
00:09:13.000And also, I also look at the posting of the black tile as something even deeper than attributing to a, let's just say, a malevolent group, which it is.
00:09:41.000And what's not true is that this is a widespread, out-of-control, structural problem that is beyond reproach, that warrants hundreds of thousands of individuals in the streets.
00:10:13.000However, when I say something is not true, that's not what I'm saying.
00:10:15.000What I'm saying is not true is when I see people that say a black person can't walk down the street without the credible threat of a police officer gunning them down.
00:10:27.000In fact, it's more true that a police officer will be killed by a black person than an unarmed police, police, an unarmed black man will be killed by a police officer.
00:10:35.000In fact, it's more true that a white person, statistically even factoring in demographics and age and proportion of population, a white individual is more likely to be killed by a police officer than a black person.
00:10:44.000In fact, the studies shown, according to the University of Maryland College Park and Michigan State University, and independent studies by black researchers at Harvard University show that police officers show a multiple amount of restraint towards black individuals that commit crimes than white individuals that commit crimes.
00:10:59.000In fact, there is data to show that police officers go out of their way to try to not engage into violence.
00:11:06.000And so one isolated incident in Minnesota that is evil and was a sin, and he's going to be held accountable.
00:11:53.000It was the CHP officer that came down and a bullet from his weapon killed Officer Healas.
00:11:58.000But Officer Healis and that CHP officer put that gunman on notice where he went into the office and capped himself and stopped the killing.
00:12:06.000And there were hundreds of kids that could have been killed.
00:13:19.000And he goes to defend his community and tries to de-escalate the situation.
00:13:22.000And yet he gets killed on a Facebook Live for a television.
00:13:25.000And the churches in America, instead of stepping into these communities that are burning, step behind the narrative of the organization that's responsible for the destruction of these cities, the looting of these cities, supporting a party that is every single one of these cities, Democrat governor, Democrat mayor, Democrat, Democrat, all the way down the line.
00:14:16.000Yeah, I want to speak to them because I've held office.
00:14:19.000And I know the cultural mountain of influence in regards to politics.
00:14:24.000I know how things operate legislatively because I've participated in it.
00:14:28.000And I want to say to them, as they're in their pulpits, their ignorance of what is necessary to move this nation in a direction that would honor God, a system of laws that God has established.
00:14:40.000Because 430 years after Abraham was saved by grace in Genesis, God gives the law.
00:14:46.000And he gives the law not so that we can't keep it and we're saved by grace.
00:14:52.000He gave it so that we could live together and understand how to operate in community with moral knowledge.
00:14:58.000But we've abandoned that understanding.
00:15:00.000We don't help in educating our congregations and discipling them on what government looks like infused by the wisdom that God gives through the scriptures.
00:15:09.000So when you stand upon socialism and you think that that's kind of hip and in vogue with your young people, you're in violation of two of the Ten Commandments.
00:15:18.000Your scriptural knowledge, we've abdicated contending for truth beyond the pulpits and the word of God.
00:15:25.000And we've left ourselves ignorant of truth within politics.
00:15:29.000And we've also abdicated how the media informs us.
00:15:33.000We don't care about truth in those other areas.
00:15:35.000And that's detrimental to our communities.
00:15:37.000And I think it's worse than that, Rob.
00:15:39.000You have pastors actively participating in the world.
00:15:53.000I have seen pastors from Southern California, and I will not say churches.
00:15:58.000Well, from the group of churches that I'm affiliated with.
00:16:01.000That have massive social media followings that are posting homemade signs that they made, no accident, with their children, Rob, at a Black Lives Matter protest that says all lives don't matter until Black Lives Matter.
00:16:17.000The other one has blacklivesmatter.com, the website to push traffic to it on that homemade website.
00:17:25.000When I look at folks that are doing this, standing for truth, and Fog City Midge, when I see folks like that standing in the midst of conflict, unwavering, and speaking truth, that is what the ministry should be doing.
00:18:00.000When you look at the formation of the early church after Pentecost and the Spirit Falls, persecution has never been a problem for the church.
00:18:06.000It's always been a healthy thing for the church.
00:18:43.000You put all this ore in, you heat it up to an unbelievably hot temperature, it liquefies, and then the slag, the impurities by the intense temperature float to the surface, and the refiner skims off the slag and knows the metal's pure when he can see his reflection in the metal.
00:19:00.000There's a lot of slag in the church, and God's turning up the temperature.
00:19:04.000And that stuff's floating to the surface and revealing really what it is that's most important to us.
00:19:10.000You know what's really interesting, what I'm finding, is that conservatives, outspoken conservatives, Candace, David Harris Jr., Stephen Davis, who's an Agahul we have on the podcast, and many others.
00:19:50.000And they, and I hand off some of these to you because you're able to articulate it differently.
00:19:55.000But I'm not even able to process a world where I would stay silent.
00:20:01.000I can't even imagine being in a community where I have to say, well, you know, we have to just kind of, you know, you're not running a hardware store, and there's nothing wrong with running a hardware store, but you're in the business of truth definitionally by running a church.
00:20:18.000So you would think that persecution or offending or losing membership, which won't happen, by the way, that is a false fear planted by Satan.
00:20:31.000They committed themselves to the apostles' teaching, and the Lord added to their numbers daily those who are being saved.
00:20:36.000You look in the book of Acts 4 and 5, Ananias and Sapphira are struck dead for bringing deception into the church and wanting to appear as something they weren't.
00:21:59.000In the book of Acts that Luke wrote, he's a doctor.
00:22:03.000He didn't use medical terms when he said that the sick were brought to them and then Peter's shadow would lay them down and Peter's shadow would cross them and the ones that were tormented would be made well.
00:22:16.000The word sick is not a medical term that Luke would use for an illness.
00:23:37.000Well, we, praise God, our podcast has been ranked very high, and we're the top-ranked podcast that speaks openly about faith more so than any of these other celebrity pastor podcasts.
00:23:48.000And, you know, if it stays there, great.
00:23:49.000If it doesn't, you know, God will use it for good.
00:23:51.000But it's interesting because we got an email this morning from a young man who says, I grew up in a pretty religious home.
00:23:58.000I walked away from, I don't know where to start, but I've been inspired by how you have said that faith gives you comfort and direction.
00:24:37.000And not only did I hear just a recording of you professing your faith, meeting you in person, watching you contend for truth.
00:24:46.000And I was moved by your commitment to the Lord and your love for the Lord and your commitment to his word and to stand by it.
00:24:53.000But then walking into the pulpits that are myopic and truncated in their gospel, they can't access the world you've had access to.
00:25:02.000And they think that we're not allowed to soil ourselves in a world where people don't profess our faith.
00:25:08.000But because of your knowledge of our founders and the brilliance of the laws of nature, nature's God, and delving into these philosophical thinkers and understanding the dynamics of politics, as Aristotle said, it's the highest form of community.
00:25:21.000You're studying to show yourself approved.
00:25:25.000And then when the Lord brought us to action, excuse me, Galatians 3, I called you because that was what the Lord showed me that God had gifted you with.
00:25:59.000The law was our guardian to bring us to Christ that we might be justified by faith.
00:26:05.000But after faith has come, we're no longer under that guardian.
00:26:10.000God gave us the law, and our founders understood this so that we could live together and realize, thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not covet, thou shalt not.
00:26:24.000And when you had these three to five million Jews that come out of slavery, placed in the wilderness, and God gives them the moral law, they lived together for 40 years without a police force or standing army because they understood government.
00:26:37.000They understood we're accountable to God and accountable to each other, and they search the scriptures, appoint godly men who are not covetous over thousands, hundreds, fifties, tens.
00:26:45.000That's where they got federal, state, county, local government.
00:26:48.000The Lord is our king, our lawgiver, and our judge.
00:26:53.000That's where you get executive, legislative, and judicial out of Isaiah.
00:27:18.000And then they say, you know, I'm tired of voting for the lesser of two evils.
00:27:22.000I go, unless Jesus is running for office, you'll always be voting for the lesser of two evils.
00:27:27.000It is an excuse to abdicate your responsibility, to study.
00:27:31.000Study means work hard, to show yourself approved, that you're not ashamed.
00:27:36.000If I asked you a question on any policy in this country, you would be able to give a biblical defense of why you stand the way you stand on every single one of these issues.
00:27:45.000That's not going to be found in the pulpits of America.
00:27:50.000The Bible says, the pastoral epistle and Timothy, pray for kings and those in authority that we would live quiet and peaceable lives in all godliness and reverence.
00:28:05.000And based on that, name by name the five city council members and the five school board members in your community that you, pastor, are praying for by name and the issues that they're dealing with that would allow your citizens to live quiet and peaceful lives in all godliness and reverence.
00:28:22.000You not only don't know their names, you have no idea the issues they're dealing with because you've abdicated that responsibility in a nation that they govern by our consent because we're the sovereign.
00:28:36.000And then they have the audacity to throw back at me, Romans 13.
00:28:39.000Oh, God appoints all positions of authority, bro.
00:28:43.000You know, that God gave us Gavin Newsom.
00:28:47.000And you're not supposed to fight against, you have to obey.
00:28:50.000We're to be subject to our governing authorities.
00:28:54.000Yeah, let's not forget, Pastor, that our founders understood that as well.
00:28:59.000And that's why they made you and I the authority, we the people.
00:29:03.000And those that govern govern by our consent.
00:29:07.000And we have the ability in this government to push back.
00:29:11.000And they're bound by the Constitution.
00:29:13.000Can you name how many articles, Pastor, in those?
00:30:04.000And the founders understood the value of the pulpit in America and how critical it was to the king, we the people.
00:30:11.000They knew that only a republic can be governed by moral people and truth had to be contended for.
00:30:16.000They knew the weakness of man, so they divided power between executive, legislative, and judicial, separating it, knowing the power wants to concentrate and keeping in the hands of the people.
00:30:27.000And to do that, they gave them the most amazing counselors.
00:30:32.000And they did that by the very first amendment in the Bill of Rights.
00:30:37.000The freedom of the press, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and the freedom to peaceably assemble, peaceably assemble for a right of redress of grievances against the government.
00:30:47.000They knew that a press that was wisely educated and moral would pursue truth.
00:30:53.000But now they're pursuing censorship and their narrative, and it's no longer about truth.
00:30:58.000They knew the pulpits being free would be able to declare truth and teach people how to be truthful within the journalistic world, how to be truthful within the realms of government, how to be true in every vestige of culture.
00:31:14.000And they gave speech, and speech in the beginning was the word.
00:31:37.000And not only that, we yield to it when we should be standing upon truth because that's the only thing that will set people free.
00:31:45.000And when they hear that, then we stand with them for a right to peaceably assemble for redress of grievances against the government that governs by our consent.
00:31:53.000And they're not teaching their people how to participate.
00:31:59.000When we make the Lord's prayer, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
00:32:03.000I asked the pastors, what does a government like that look like?
00:32:15.000Where we all have to be the same and there's no creativity?
00:32:19.000Where we're not allowed to accumulate wealth, even though all the laws are the protection of wealth and that capitalism is spoken of in the scriptures.
00:32:26.000Of course, they wouldn't know that because they didn't study.
00:32:29.000Is government the answer to generosity and benevolence?
00:32:52.000So I'm more than twice your age, which is even more frustrating to me.
00:32:57.000And you cast a shadow so big by towering.
00:33:03.000And you're not going to accept this because you hate compliments.
00:33:06.000But I'm declaring to the pastors out there, Candace Owens casts a shadow.
00:33:11.000You know, David Harris Jr., all the folks we've listed, they cast a shadow of truth that those who are tormented look up and say, wow, there is hope in this world.
00:33:22.000I can have a life that isn't going to be ruined in the next ice age or whatever it is, global warming, where they peddle in disinformation that scares our young people so that they can paralyze them by fear and ignorance.
00:33:41.000And yet you're out there educating them.
00:33:44.000I want the pulpits in America to be inspired by the courage all of you have shown in this generation.
00:34:38.000In fact, evidenced by the story I began with.
00:34:39.000They like what I'm saying literally by pushing a button of approval on digital media.
00:34:46.000However, there is a line where they are perfectly comfortable with telling a bunch of people you're going to hell if you don't make a specific confession and acceptance.
00:35:08.000I think actually using Aristotelian logic, that would be the ultimate offensive comment that you will never have a nice moment again if you don't do it.
00:36:27.000And to apologize for something that I've never done, to pay reparations for something I've never done, nor my ancestors, and go down the lineage.
00:36:36.000But regardless, the Bible says that he takes our sin and he casts it as far as the east is from the west to be remembered no more.
00:36:46.000We've been cleansed of all unrighteousness.
00:37:19.000They apprehend you and you're immediately released.
00:37:22.000But yet those of you who have the businesses that have been lost, those of you who live these type of lives, you're guilty by the simple fact of your skin color.
00:37:30.000And they pit us against one another to come steal, kill, and destroy, and devour.
00:37:34.000And pastors stand upon that as though they're defending the destruction of a culture built on law and order.
00:37:44.000And the ones that are going to be most affected when we remove the sheepdog, the police, are these inner cities.
00:38:20.000But it's popular, and so they stand upon it, which puts a target on all these police officers who are ministers of justice to execute wrath on those who would do evil.
00:38:29.000They're having to defend constitutional rights from legislators who are violating them to protect we the people.
00:38:35.000And the exact same time they're being targeted by nefarious forces on the left and the right that seek to destroy this constitutional republic, whether it's fascism or communism, which are part of the horseshoe.
00:39:24.000There's a reason why that word has the same Greek meaning in pathos, ethos, logos, Christ, because we took it as absolute truth in the hierarchy.
00:39:33.000We have to understand that you cannot fully understand John unless you understand Socrates, Plato, Aristotle.
00:39:40.000And I could make the argument that Christ studied the classics.
00:39:46.000Because there's that kind of decade that we don't know what Jesus did.
00:39:50.000And as a theologian once told me, he's probably up to some good studying during that decade.
00:40:00.000However, there's something to be said, though, that communicating to those times, there were ceilings that the classics were hitting because they were men.
00:42:14.000And what I find, though, and the reason why churches are lacking the fire that these protesters are lacking and the Christians is because they've been told, and many of these churches, their business model is salvation altar calls, which I have support.
00:42:33.000Because then what you have is those Christians that raise those hands, and I've seen this happen, and it's the most amazing day, and they accept Jesus Christ their Lord and Savior, and they might go as far to get baptized.
00:42:44.000But then a week passes by, a month passes by, and they turn on the news.
00:42:49.000And they see the streets of Seattle being taken over by anarchists.
00:42:52.000And they ask the correct question: how does my faith inform my new faith?
00:43:12.000I'm listening enough about Christian music.
00:43:14.000But, you know, the anarchist thing in Seattle, how am I supposed to make sense of that?
00:43:21.000We don't really take stands on that kind of stuff.
00:43:23.000Well, they're going to take a stand, but it's going to be the one of least resistance.
00:43:28.000And the one of least resistance, but this Christian's like, but I thought you just told me all about this, like, firm truth, and we've got to make decisions.
00:43:33.000We've got to be really clear about things, right?
00:43:35.000And what ends up happening is you have confused and corrupted Christians from that point forward.
00:43:41.000And what comes to me is these Christians come up to me and they say, Charlie, you're one of the few podcasters or thinkers or whatever you want to describe it that connects the gospel to all of a sudden connects to the world because that's where the Christians, outside of that hour a week service or hour and a half week, they got to contest in this world and they're being peppered with, what do I do?
00:44:22.000How many of these Christians have been surrounded by a physical mob?
00:44:25.000But they're passionate about these truths and they stand upon them because they know that these applied in government give them a hope.
00:44:33.000And then you see these activists that are standing upon deception, but they're still passionate about it because someone has at least laid out a roadmap.
00:44:40.000Oh, if we burn all the buildings, then we'll be able to have an idea.
00:44:47.000But the church doesn't know how to equip our young people when they're passionate about wanting a world they can live in with answers to address the issues of their contemporaries that are coming at them.
00:45:20.000Are you inferring that because I know how scripture speaks to different areas of society and how to govern based on that and can give a ready answer, that somehow I've compromised the gospel?
00:45:31.000The compromising comes on their part, not ours.
00:45:33.000They're inferring that the gospel is insulated or is absent to politics, the governance, or life.
00:45:40.000Yeah, they've truncated it and made it myopic.
00:45:43.000And what ends up happening is you have passive, unfulfilled Christians that leave the church and go towards Eastern religions or spirituality, or they leave altogether.
00:45:55.000Or even worse, they become activists misinterpreting the scripture for pseudo-Marxism, which is what you're seeing now.
00:46:03.000Because you take a little bit of truth, or you take truth and you just salt a little bit of a lie into it, and over time they buy into it.
00:46:12.000And then we lose all of our young people because we're not giving them answers, and that's what they're looking for.
00:46:17.000They're looking for order in a chaotic world.
00:46:21.000And that's why I tell pastors this and they reject it.
00:46:23.000I say, Jordan Peterson has brought more people to Christ than any evangelist in the modern era.
00:46:29.000He's actually the modern-day Billy Graham.
00:46:31.000And who would have thought that a social psychologist from Canada who is not even a Christian by standards that you and I were, but he knows scripture better than most Christians because he studies the Bible archetypically and he defends the Bible against atheists.
00:46:47.000For hours on end, he will contest for the truth of the Bible, but it's a different type of truth.
00:46:53.000It's not the historical, it's a truth of saying these stories matter.
00:47:11.000Because what he was able to do is bring people out of this forest of chaos and secular leftism.
00:47:16.000And he can contend in academia for that.
00:47:18.000And he has the credibility and the social psychology credentials, and he understands the workings of the mind.
00:47:23.000And unfortunately, a lot of the discourse right now is built on arguments of authority that if you don't have the right credentials, they don't even let you on the stage.
00:47:30.000And for him, he has all the credentials.
00:47:32.000But they're even starting to dismiss that as well.
00:48:31.000Where we have the most draconian lockdown measures on a virus that is highly contagious, but the lethality, the deadliness of it, mortality rate, 99.2 to 99.7% survival rate of those who contract it.
00:48:47.000And it's hyper-focused on nursing homes and people with pre-65 and older with mortality.
00:48:53.000But we have draconian lockdown measures that are destroying our economy.
00:48:56.000And remember this, you know, the unemployed in America are more than the entire population of California, but the unemployed in California is greater than the total of 28 other states.
00:49:07.000So we're watching these draconian rules ruin our state, and the church is still considered non-essential.
00:49:12.000But the two sacraments in the Protestant realm, I think there's seven in Catholicism, but the two in the Protestant realm, baptism and communion, and they would hinder their congregations from a sacrament that's defended by the First Amendment and allow the governor under a scandemic to tell them they're non-essential and they'll play that role because they don't want to offend so that they can preach the gospel.
00:49:36.000What's the point of the gospel if it doesn't defend truth and stand upon truth?
00:50:33.000For the sake of the governor who keeps moving the goalposts and the statement of these 1,500 health workers that said that, you know, these protests are acceptable, but the lockdown measures for stay-at-home orders still have to be enforced.
00:50:45.000I just said, we're having a justice protest today.
00:53:31.000He is the way, the truth, and the life.
00:53:33.000No man comes to the Father but by him.
00:53:35.000But the entirety of scripture will give you answers on every issue you're struggling with.
00:53:42.000And stay tuned into organizations like Turning Point USA, where they're taking these biblical truths and they're applying them to every vestige of our culture.
00:53:52.000You guys are phenomenal in that regard.
00:53:54.000So for all those seekers, Galatians 3, you're studying these.
00:53:58.000You're going to come to know the God who's given these laws that will give you a hope for a nation that's unlike anything we've ever seen in the 6,000 years of recorded history upon the face of the earth.