The Charlie Kirk Show - A Modern Day Screwtape Letters with Steve Deace

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk show.

00:00:01.000 Steve Dace about his new movie, Nefarious.

00:00:03.000 Is there a devil?

00:00:04.000 Oh, yeah.

00:00:05.000 And he talks about a very powerful new film.

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00:01:17.000 Welcome back, everybody.

00:01:18.000 I encourage all of you to check out Nefarious, the new movie out.

00:01:22.000 It's very powerful.

00:01:24.000 Steve Dace is the mastermind behind it.

00:01:27.000 And I believe he has been spiritually under attack the last couple of days.

00:01:31.000 Steve, first, how is your health?

00:01:33.000 Well, Charlie, I'm sitting here talking to you with a hole on the left side of my chest where bacteria is still draining.

00:01:39.000 But other than that, man, I'm great.

00:01:41.000 How are you?

00:01:42.000 Well, I'm glad you have a good spirit about it.

00:01:45.000 And what exactly happened?

00:01:48.000 Well, we made a hella movie that exposes the enemy and pissed him off.

00:01:53.000 That's really what happened. 1.00

00:01:55.000 And then I played into it with some stupid fake macho stuff. 1.00

00:01:58.000 You know, the old, I ain't got time to bleed. 1.00

00:02:00.000 I'll worry about this later.

00:02:02.000 I got back from our red carpet premiere in Dallas last week and I started having some swelling on the left side of my upper body.

00:02:12.000 And I thought, you know, I said it'll go away.

00:02:14.000 I got too much to do for the movie promotion.

00:02:17.000 I'll worry about it later.

00:02:18.000 Sunday, the pain just got to be really bad.

00:02:21.000 Monday morning, I woke up and it was searing, excruciating.

00:02:24.000 And they gave me an antibiotic shot at the urgent care.

00:02:30.000 That didn't really help.

00:02:32.000 By Monday night, I was out of it, running fevers, disoriented, trembling.

00:02:36.000 Wife rushed me to the ER, and they literally had to carve this bacteria out of my left upper torso.

00:02:44.000 And if I'd not listened to her and gone to the ER, if this had gone on another 12 hours, you and I might be having a much different conversation right now.

00:02:52.000 Or I might, you know, still be coming out of surgery and recovering and not able to talk to you.

00:02:57.000 So luckily, we got in when we did.

00:03:00.000 So let's talk about the movie.

00:03:03.000 Why would the enemy be so bothered about your movie?

00:03:07.000 If we had made a cheesy film, I think if we had failed in our mission to show that Christians can make sophisticated, gritty material that doesn't have to violate our values and honors our worldview, but relates to the level of storytelling that the average American is used to right now.

00:03:27.000 I think if we had failed in threading that very difficult needle, I think we'd all be doing great.

00:03:33.000 But we didn't.

00:03:34.000 Our creative team, starting with Carrie Solomon and Chuck Concelman, who wrote God's Not Dead and then wrote and directed Unplanned, they wrote and directed this film, inspired by my book, A Nefarious Plot.

00:03:48.000 They made my book better.

00:03:49.000 They elevated it.

00:03:50.000 Sean Patrick Flannery's performance as our demon nefarious is Nicholson in the shining level.

00:03:57.000 It's Anthony Hopkins-like.

00:03:59.000 In fact, he kind of looks like Anthony Hopkins.

00:04:01.000 Yes.

00:04:01.000 Yeah, I've heard that too.

00:04:03.000 And we kind of base this a little bit off of the exchanges between Hannibal and Clarice in Silence of the Lambs.

00:04:08.000 Very similar.

00:04:09.000 Very similar.

00:04:10.000 If Flannery was not great as the demon, then I think we'd all be okay.

00:04:15.000 But I think that we've created something here that I think our people have said for years they want our side to make movies like this.

00:04:23.000 It's just hard because can we realistically portray evil Charlie without offending our own people or glorifying it?

00:04:32.000 That's a tough line to walk.

00:04:34.000 I think we managed to do it and truly expose the enemy for who he is and not in a way that makes him humorous or anti-hero or appealing, but exposes him for the nihilist and the liar that he is.

00:04:46.000 And I think, you know, that's why it's been so hard for us to get screens.

00:04:49.000 That's why it's been hard on us physically.

00:04:52.000 Our two directors both got COVID pneumonia during Delta variant.

00:04:55.000 We had to shut down filming for several months.

00:04:58.000 They're both in their 60s.

00:05:00.000 Yeah, it was just, it's been a challenge to get to this date, but we're almost here to release.

00:05:04.000 And I don't think he can stop us now.

00:05:06.000 So let's set up the premise.

00:05:09.000 We had a whole hour on C.S. Lewis last week.

00:05:11.000 Screwtape Letters is a very, this is very similar.

00:05:14.000 Was that an inspiration?

00:05:15.000 Is it kind of a spinoff?

00:05:17.000 And so the basic premise of the film, and the trailer is excellent.

00:05:20.000 And I was admittedly, as soon as I saw the trailer, I was like, oh, wow, this is not like the left behind movies.

00:05:26.000 Wow. 0.54

00:05:26.000 This is not, meaning, I mean, it's just like most Christian films are awful. 0.54

00:05:30.000 I'm just, I'm going to be honest.

00:05:31.000 They're terrible, unwatchable.

00:05:33.000 The cinematography is just poor.

00:05:35.000 The writing is sloppy.

00:05:37.000 You know, it's just really terrible.

00:05:38.000 And, but what this, this film, you almost feel as if you're watching maybe Ozark or you're watching something with obviously using red cameras, you know, filmed 20, 30, 40, 50 times, really good writing, and with obviously a redemptive moral arc.

00:05:57.000 Set up the framing, right?

00:05:59.000 So what is this movie about?

00:06:02.000 So when you're trying to adapt a book, you know, my book, A Nefarious Plot, I wrote it as a sequel homage to the screw tape letters.

00:06:09.000 And so, you know, this in screw tape letters, Lewis talks about, as your audience knows, because you guys just discussed it, taking down of us as individuals, deceiving us as people.

00:06:18.000 And in a farious plot, the demon nefarious writes about how he took down an entire country called the United States.

00:06:25.000 And so like a screw tape letters, the book's a 200-page polemic of a demon ranting at you.

00:06:31.000 Hard to turn that into a movie, right?

00:06:33.000 You can't just have a demon looking into the camera and dunking on you for an hour and a half.

00:06:36.000 And so we needed a MacGuffin.

00:06:38.000 What's the device?

00:06:39.000 And so the story that we're going to tell in the movie is the origin of this demonic manuscript.

00:06:44.000 Where did it come from?

00:06:45.000 And by the time we get to the end of the movie, you'll know.

00:06:48.000 And the MacGuffin for this is there is a cultic serial killer on death row named Edward Wayne Brady because there's a law, I think, that all great serial killers need to have three names.

00:06:57.000 And so Edward Wayne Brady is on death row in Oklahoma.

00:07:00.000 He's exhausted 10 years of appeals.

00:07:02.000 And on the day of his execution, he has tried one more emergency stay on the grounds that he is demonically possessed and therefore unfit to commit these crimes.

00:07:11.000 The court is mandated by law to do a psychiatric eval.

00:07:15.000 They appoint an atheist psychiatrist because unless you hire Jordan Peterson, there's like no other kind.

00:07:20.000 And so he comes in, convinced this is all a scam and they're going to check the box and execute this guy tonight and move on.

00:07:27.000 It's a waste of time.

00:07:28.000 And he gets a lot more than he bargained for during his intimate individual encounter with this demon that causes him to reevaluate his entire worldview, find out that he's not as smart as he thought he was.

00:07:42.000 We made this movie to go to Nineveh.

00:07:44.000 We made this movie for you to take your unbelieving friends and family. 1.00

00:07:46.000 But not Sodom.

00:07:47.000 There's a difference.

00:07:49.000 There's a difference.

00:07:49.000 Yes.

00:07:49.000 Sodom is a forsaken place.

00:07:51.000 That's right.

00:07:51.000 Nineveh can repent.

00:07:53.000 That's what Jonah, Jonah did.

00:07:55.000 Yes.

00:07:56.000 And so you can show them our trailer, show them our marketing.

00:07:59.000 It's going to look very slickly, highly produced.

00:08:01.000 We did that.

00:08:02.000 We didn't spare any expensive.

00:08:03.000 We are going to play the trailer in a sec, but keep going.

00:08:05.000 Yeah.

00:08:06.000 And you'll show them.

00:08:06.000 They're going to think, wow, that looks cool.

00:08:08.000 That looks dope.

00:08:08.000 It might even freak you out a little bit.

00:08:10.000 Just remember, though, it's marketing.

00:08:12.000 We get them in the theater, and I promise you, this film is going to say to them in about 94 minutes everything you've ever wanted to say to them about, do you understand the stuff you're advocating?

00:08:23.000 how crazy it is, where it's truly from, the line you want us to cross as a society.

00:08:27.000 And we won't come back from it if you do.

00:08:29.000 This is almost like the theatrical version of Scared Straight.

00:08:33.000 Okay.

00:08:33.000 So we take them.

00:08:34.000 We filmed it at an actual prison, a live prison, Granite State prison in Oklahoma, where the first movie to ever film in a live prison in the state.

00:08:42.000 And so this film will show them without any F-bombs, no nudity, not a drop of blood in the film, nothing that deserves its R rating.

00:08:51.000 Why did it get an R rating?

00:08:52.000 Usually you can negotiate with the, I mean, obviously not in this case, but usually you can plead your case.

00:08:59.000 Yes.

00:09:00.000 We could have appealed it.

00:09:01.000 It would have taken up to 90 days.

00:09:02.000 Oh, there you go.

00:09:03.000 Forbid us from release the film when we wanted, but they gave us an R rating because they saw what a successful evangelist is.

00:09:08.000 Of course, I'm debating.

00:09:10.000 They don't want your audience to go see it.

00:09:11.000 I'm debating whether or not the appeal would have been worth it because I know, I mean, and I'm glad because we're partnering with you.

00:09:16.000 We're talking a lot about it.

00:09:17.000 I'm glad you guys put in the copy that you guys gave us.

00:09:21.000 Parents still go see it, even though, because the R rating thing is just such a no-fly zone for so many Christian families, right?

00:09:28.000 I mean, I don't even go see some R movies anymore.

00:09:30.000 It's just like, okay, every other word's a swear word.

00:09:32.000 But what do they say for dramatic elements, rated R or something?

00:09:36.000 Is that what they're saying?

00:09:37.000 Yeah, there won't be a rationale for a rated R movie like that the rest of this year or maybe any other year.

00:09:44.000 Disturbing elements.

00:09:46.000 Oh, is that right?

00:09:47.000 I was completely making it up.

00:09:49.000 No, that is literally what they said.

00:09:51.000 Some disturbing elements.

00:09:52.000 Hold on.

00:09:52.000 Wait, hold on.

00:09:53.000 So the devil is disturbing.

00:09:54.000 Interesting.

00:09:55.000 Yes.

00:09:55.000 Hollywood.

00:09:56.000 I thought you guys worshiped Satan.

00:09:58.000 So I'm going to ask you a question after the break, Steve, that I'm not going to give you a heads up at.

00:10:03.000 I think it's a question that I don't know the answer to.

00:10:06.000 And I'm going to spring it on you.

00:10:08.000 I'm going to surprise you.

00:10:09.000 30 seconds and we're going to play the trailer out of the break.

00:10:12.000 How can people see this film?

00:10:14.000 Because I know there's some distribution complexities.

00:10:18.000 Yes.

00:10:18.000 Go to nefarious tickets.com right now.

00:10:21.000 You'll right away find out the closest showing.

00:10:24.000 We're in about a thousand theaters now around the country.

00:10:26.000 We have doubled our theaters in just the last three weeks because of the demand.

00:10:30.000 Nefarious Tickets.com is where you can go.

00:10:33.000 Showtime start this weekend.

00:10:34.000 Nefarious Tickets.com.

00:10:36.000 That's great.

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00:11:51.000 I want to play the full trailer because it deserves it to nefarious.

00:11:55.000 Think you're watching something that Amazon, Prime or HULU produced.

00:12:02.000 It's very powerful.

00:12:03.000 They did a great job.

00:12:04.000 Play cut 72.

00:12:09.000 Hello, you should have accepted my offer, James.

00:12:24.000 Execution scheduled for 11 p.m.

00:12:27.000 He's trying to convince us he's gone insane and therefore incapable of being executed.

00:12:34.000 I need you to prove he's faking it.

00:12:37.000 Edward, i'm gonna ask you some questions.

00:12:42.000 I'm not Edward, i'm a demon.

00:12:45.000 Demons aren't really a thing.

00:12:51.000 What happened to?

00:12:52.000 We own him, we.

00:12:57.000 He's a master manipulator. 1.00

00:12:59.000 You have your head so twisted around you think you're the killer, not him, and give me something to make him believe you prove to me you're a demon. 0.99

00:13:13.000 Probably just a coincidence. 0.97

00:13:19.000 I want to talk to the real.

00:13:20.000 Edward makes me do that.

00:13:23.000 I can't stop him.

00:13:25.000 I need you to see something you got a fan did the same thing with all his victims.

00:13:33.000 I'm trying to Edward, but you have to answer my questions.

00:13:35.000 You have to tell me the truth.

00:13:39.000 It can go away.

00:13:40.000 It can go away.

00:13:43.000 Yes?

00:14:13.000 like you to do.

00:14:16.000 Steve Steve, that is uh, some powerful stuff.

00:14:25.000 We made that trailer.

00:14:26.000 Everything in that trailer is in the movie.

00:14:28.000 It's just not necessarily presented in the movie the way you see it in the trailer.

00:14:33.000 We made this movie very subversively.

00:14:35.000 We marketed this movie very subversively.

00:14:38.000 Uh, for 75 plus years, Charlie Hollywood has lured us in half of our brain, knowing this is an infestation.

00:14:44.000 We should not let it into our psyche.

00:14:46.000 The other half though, is entertained, wants to see where the story goes, what happens to the characters.

00:14:51.000 You know, Jesus said the children of men are more shrewd than the children of light, so we're gonna learn from them. 0.99

00:14:55.000 Here we're flipping the script, we turn the tables.

00:14:58.000 We now made a film that looks and sounds compelling to them to draw them in, but it's really uh, it's really uh, an advertisement for Our worldview.

00:15:08.000 It just does it in more subtle ways than I think Christians have done in the past, which is why we have not always been successful at doing films. 0.95

00:15:15.000 So, Steve, let me ask you, two minutes remaining, which is a bigger threat to America or the equal threats, people that worship the devil or people who do not believe the devil exists.

00:15:25.000 The latter for sure.

00:15:26.000 The latter for sure.

00:15:29.000 We're typically pretty good historically in the West against the open and honest adversary.

00:15:35.000 Subtlety or the things that hide in the shadows or the phantom menaces are the things that the angels of light.

00:15:41.000 We know to run from a wolf, Charlie.

00:15:43.000 It's the wolf in sheep's clothing that is the problem.

00:15:46.000 And that's, we're surrounded by them.

00:15:46.000 All right.

00:15:48.000 As Augustine said, many, there are many sheep without, many wolves within.

00:15:52.000 And, you know, that's the biggest issue we have right now, the comfort and cowardice within the Western population right now that won't either recognize or stand up and oppose the honestly and open demonic.

00:16:08.000 If you can get people to acknowledge that there is a devil, then there might be an inverse, a God, a creator.

00:16:18.000 Is that one of the things you're attempting to do with this film?

00:16:21.000 Yes.

00:16:22.000 They've heard from all the Hawaiian shirted guys, Charlie.

00:16:24.000 They've heard from all the sweater-vested guys, everybody in khaki pants, the nice guys with their giant auditoriums and their slamming praise teams.

00:16:33.000 For the last 30-plus years, they've just rejected all that and turned away from it.

00:16:36.000 They don't care.

00:16:37.000 So now it's time for a little old-time religion. 0.82

00:16:40.000 It is time to grab this culture by the proverbial throat and give it a little tough love. 0.85

00:16:44.000 It's gotten a softer cell for a generation.

00:16:46.000 It has rejected it.

00:16:47.000 A new generation.

00:16:48.000 31 horror films, Charlie, were released by Hollywood last year.

00:16:52.000 31.

00:16:54.000 That's how attracted to the darkness this culture is.

00:16:57.000 So if that's where Nineveh is, we have to go to Nineveh. 0.93

00:17:00.000 As the great prophet Sam Kinnison once said, we move where the food is.

00:17:04.000 31 horror films.

00:17:07.000 None of them have a redemptive arc.

00:17:08.000 This one does.

00:17:10.000 It's a nefarious movie.

00:17:11.000 We're going to talk about that more after the break.

00:17:13.000 Steve Dace is with us.

00:17:14.000 I encourage you all to check it out.

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00:18:16.000 Check it out.

00:18:20.000 How can people learn more about the film and support it?

00:18:24.000 And is it going to be in theaters, Steve?

00:18:26.000 We're going to be in about a thousand theaters to open this weekend, despite the fact there are six movies opening this weekend on top of all the other films that are out there.

00:18:36.000 But the theaters have seen so much activity, demand for the movie, so many pre-sale tickets sold that we're still going to be in close to a thousand theaters.

00:18:45.000 You can find out which theater near you and get tickets at nefarious tickets.com.

00:18:51.000 That's nefarious tickets.com.

00:18:54.000 Okay, so let's talk.

00:18:56.000 There's a lot going on right now.

00:18:57.000 The trans thing is definitely one of the biggest issues facing America. 0.99

00:19:01.000 Most pastors are too cowardly and too weak to engage in this issue. 0.85

00:19:06.000 My team tells me you have an opinion on the Dylan Mulvaney stuff, and we can go from there. 0.98

00:19:11.000 What is your take?

00:19:12.000 And I'd love to hear it.

00:19:15.000 I think that we are beyond virtue signals.

00:19:18.000 I think that we're beyond now the obnoxious pandering every June during quote-unquote pride month. 0.99

00:19:27.000 That's coming up.

00:19:28.000 It's just, I'm sorry to interrupt.

00:19:30.000 You got Juneteenth, and you got, I mean, really, we don't have enough.

00:19:34.000 All right.

00:19:36.000 June has essentially become Pander Month in America. 0.63

00:19:40.000 I think this is religious zeal.

00:19:44.000 I don't think Budweiser didn't vet the marketing coordinator that they brought in.

00:19:49.000 I think that this is a recognition of ecclesiastical authority.

00:19:53.000 It's just a different religion. 0.98

00:19:55.000 Dylan Mulvaney showed up at the White House.

00:19:58.000 Dylan Mulvaney is anointed.

00:20:00.000 He's a prophet.

00:20:01.000 He's a priest or an apostle.

00:20:03.000 And we don't recognize it in Christianity anymore because we don't really respect God's authority, let alone ecclesiastical or scriptural authority.

00:20:11.000 We're kind of just, you know, reducing God down to a buddy and what makes us feel good.

00:20:16.000 So we don't really recognize this sort of commitment, conviction, and zeal any longer in our Pleasant Valley Sunday experience.

00:20:22.000 But that's what it looks like.

00:20:24.000 This is just a demonic variation of it. 0.99

00:20:26.000 All these companies didn't just, I think, get immediately and simultaneously dumb. 0.96

00:20:31.000 I think that the memo went out. 0.98

00:20:33.000 This is our anointed.

00:20:34.000 This is our prophet, our priest, our apostle, Dylan Mulvaney recognized, and they did.

00:20:38.000 And they genucked it accordingly.

00:20:40.000 And the money they've lost, the billions they've lost, those are sacrifices that you make, whether it's in the Valley of Ben Hidden to Molech or whether it's to the spirit of the age of woke corporatism.

00:20:52.000 But you do this to show that you are one of the special.

00:20:56.000 You're in the group.

00:20:57.000 This is how cults behave.

00:21:00.000 And so that's exactly what you're watching.

00:21:01.000 Let me ask you then.

00:21:01.000 So, Steve, is it fair to say then that that ideology is more important than what Christ also warned us about, which is the love of money?

00:21:10.000 That's what's interesting, isn't it?

00:21:11.000 Because it's not actually in their best profit material interest to do this.

00:21:16.000 So help me make sense of that.

00:21:19.000 The love of money is a basic carnal instinct.

00:21:22.000 Yes.

00:21:24.000 That's a basic form of human manifestation of human sin, a basic form.

00:21:29.000 Let me give it to you.

00:21:30.000 Let me give you another example if you don't mind.

00:21:32.000 Okay.

00:21:32.000 And so I've got three kids.

00:21:34.000 The youngest is 16.

00:21:36.000 And when I was growing up, our parents were scared to death that we were going to be fornicating.

00:21:40.000 All right.

00:21:41.000 Things have gotten so warped and depraved now that when you catch your teenager fornicating now, Charlie, you're almost relieved. 0.99

00:21:48.000 Okay, they're not gay. 0.99

00:21:49.000 They're not trans. 1.00

00:21:50.000 That's a basic sin.

00:21:51.000 I can deal with that.

00:21:51.000 Basic sinfulness.

00:21:53.000 We wrestle with that in our generation.

00:21:55.000 Teenage hormones, we can handle that.

00:21:57.000 Okay.

00:21:58.000 That's what the love of the craven love of mammon is, a basic level of carnality.

00:22:03.000 What I'm talking about is you're given over to a different form of worship now.

00:22:08.000 You're not a sinner.

00:22:10.000 You're not a skeptic.

00:22:12.000 You're in unbelief territory. 0.93

00:22:14.000 Your heart has been hardened to truth.

00:22:17.000 You no longer can be shamed by your morality.

00:22:21.000 You have embraced a whole new religious rubric and metric now.

00:22:25.000 You're giving sacrifices to another God.

00:22:28.000 And since there aren't any other gods, we're really talking about darkness and demonics here.

00:22:33.000 That's what I think we are dealing with.

00:22:35.000 I think we started off with pandering, and that's what Pride Month and Rainbow Oreos and Rainbow Twizzlers and everything else became.

00:22:44.000 We're now, though, moving on into we must now genuine and recognize the true authority.

00:22:49.000 Well, two thoughts.

00:22:50.000 I think that there's going to be kind of a rebellious attitude this June towards the gay pride flags.

00:22:58.000 I mean, like, I just think people are really going to be having enough of it.

00:23:01.000 It will be interesting to see.

00:23:03.000 And obviously, I have to say this every time: stay peaceful.

00:23:05.000 Don't do it. 0.99

00:23:06.000 I mean, honestly, like, I could just see somebody just being like, screw you. 1.00

00:23:09.000 Like, I'm not going to go into your coffee shop because you have the trans flag. 1.00

00:23:12.000 Like, I'm not going to do that.

00:23:14.000 Okay.

00:23:14.000 I'm going to move on to somewhere else.

00:23:16.000 And so that's number one.

00:23:17.000 Number two, it's interesting you say that, Steve.

00:23:19.000 There was, I was struck once by a private conversation recently, the last six months, of a Christian parent that came up and they said, Charlie, there is an issue, but I'm actually really relieved.

00:23:28.000 You know, my, I happened to stumble upon my 19-year-old watching pornography, but at least it wasn't gay pornography. 0.97

00:23:34.000 So I was really relieved. 0.96

00:23:35.000 I was like, okay, you have a very serious problem here.

00:23:38.000 And the fact that that's a moment of relief, is that similar to what you were saying?

00:23:43.000 Yes.

00:23:44.000 Yes.

00:23:44.000 Yeah.

00:23:45.000 This is where we go beyond the base sin in its natural form is a warp is a warping of the desires that God puts instilled in us, right?

00:23:55.000 Separated from his will, the desire for the other sex, the desire for sexual pleasure, the desire to perpetuate the species. 0.74

00:24:02.000 Separated from his will, we use that to sin.

00:24:06.000 The desire for achievement, the desire for significance, the desire to provide and protect for my family, separated from him and his will, that can become green and materialism, right?

00:24:17.000 Those are basic manifestations of human sin.

00:24:21.000 What I'm talking about now is when you take the next step now, and you are embracing a whole different ethical system, a whole different morality, because you are worshiping a different God, a different value system, meaning that you're not in conflict with God's will any longer.

00:24:39.000 You've rejected it.

00:24:41.000 And that's it.

00:24:42.000 So I have a working hypothesis, a speech I'm giving across the country, Steve.

00:24:45.000 It's nothing, there's other people that have written it.

00:24:47.000 So it's just a variation on other good ideas.

00:24:49.000 But there's about five fake religions.

00:24:51.000 What you're arguing is that we're returning to kind of the pagan river civilization.

00:24:57.000 Yes.

00:24:57.000 That the actual five books of Moses were written as a refutation of, right?

00:25:02.000 Which is this idea of monotheism, one God, the wholeness of God, that polytheism and paganism is actually the norm.

00:25:10.000 The Aztecs, the Incans, the Mayans, the Chinese, right? 0.89

00:25:13.000 The Far Eastern religions, the Mesopotamians, the Egyptians.

00:25:18.000 It's almost as if I hate to say it's natural, but monotheism is not natural.

00:25:23.000 That's what we're learning, actually.

00:25:25.000 Right.

00:25:26.000 Correct.

00:25:27.000 We are in a post-Christian West now, post-Christian. 0.99

00:25:30.000 So, what will the post-Christian West look like? 0.91

00:25:33.000 What the pre-Christian West look like? 0.92

00:25:35.000 Pagan.

00:25:35.000 It'll be pagan in origin.

00:25:37.000 And so, what today's progressives really are, they're regressives.

00:25:41.000 Their desire really is to take us not forward in time, but back in time to a pre-biblical, pre-Pentateuch, pre-canon, pre-Judeo-Christian understanding of the world, before God raises Moses up to call a nation to himself apart from the rest of the world, before God sends his son for a new covenant now to bring all the nations to him, separate from the rest of the world.

00:26:06.000 What was the world like it was like this?

00:26:09.000 No, that's right.

00:26:10.000 The world and the 10 plagues, each one of them was a middle finger to a fake repudiation of the Egyptian religions. 0.98

00:26:18.000 Yeah, there was a fake God, the fake God of Ra, the sun god, you know, the fake worshiping of the Nile when the Nile turned blood red.

00:26:28.000 And so, so, Steve, this is a fascinating conversation I don't think most Christians grasp.

00:26:33.000 Some will say that we're in a spiritual war, but do they not quite recognize that it's the return of the old gods?

00:26:39.000 Now, let me be very clear: we mean small G, not big G God.

00:26:42.000 I was watching the Daily Wire with Jordan Peterson and Dennis Prager, and they spent they wasted 10 minutes, in my opinion, debating whether or not we think they're gods.

00:26:50.000 We don't think they're gods, we think that they are not omniscient, they're not omnipresent, they did not create the world, but we think people treat them as gods.

00:26:58.000 Therefore, we use that vocabulary.

00:27:01.000 Explain that a little bit and then talk about what are these things.

00:27:04.000 And I think they're almost being pseudo-resurrected now into the West, earth worship, religion of anti-racism, the religion of tolerance.

00:27:15.000 This is nothing new.

00:27:16.000 It is reconfigured, repurposed old river civilization beliefs that are now considered to be breakthroughs of modernity.

00:27:26.000 That's a great point.

00:27:28.000 You know, Solomon writes, there is nothing new under the sun.

00:27:31.000 Steve Dace will add only new people under the sun who haven't seen it yet.

00:27:35.000 Okay.

00:27:36.000 The devil has a catalog, and it's not an extensive, it's not an extensive album list.

00:27:41.000 He's not the Rolling Stones.

00:27:42.000 It's really just a greatest hits list like the Eagles.

00:27:44.000 It's the same 10 or 12 songs.

00:27:46.000 Everybody knows the words.

00:27:47.000 No matter how old you are in this audience, you know the words to Hotel California, man.

00:27:51.000 Everybody knows the words.

00:27:52.000 Okay.

00:27:53.000 He just re-racks the same songs over and over again.

00:27:56.000 One of the things that I point out in a nefarious plot is that all the things that was done to America is what they've done to other civilizations.

00:28:03.000 They just had to do it differently to America because America was structured different than other civilizations.

00:28:09.000 Instead of a government that declared it was God or had the right to rule you from God, America said our rights come from God and therefore government has to honor that same God.

00:28:18.000 So they had to structure how they deceive and tempt differently, but it was all the same monikers they have used in the past because all these are things that appeal to our own vanity, to our own desires, to our own sins.

00:28:32.000 James says you're not tempted by anything except that which you actually want.

00:28:36.000 I'm not tempted by drugs.

00:28:38.000 I'm not interested in that.

00:28:39.000 I'm not tempted by becoming an alcoholic.

00:28:41.000 What tempts me? 1.00

00:28:42.000 I love women. 1.00

00:28:42.000 I've got to be careful with that. 1.00

00:28:44.000 That's what I'm tempted by, you know?

00:28:46.000 And so we're only tempted by the things that we actually want.

00:28:50.000 And that's what these things do.

00:28:52.000 They appeal to us.

00:28:54.000 Because here's the thing that Nefarious reveals in both the movie and in the book.

00:28:59.000 Hell's desire, Satan's desire to say, I am like God.

00:29:05.000 I will be like the most high is rivaled only by our own.

00:29:11.000 That's really the great contest between us and the enemy is in our sinful state, who is the most vain.

00:29:18.000 And when people say, well, you know, I get to pick and choose which part of a religion I want to worship and which part I don't, which part I want to obey and which part I don't, which part of the Bible I think is still true and which part is not.

00:29:30.000 You are anointing yourself into Godhood.

00:29:33.000 That is the language of the enemy.

00:29:35.000 And when we start doing that, now we move from the pagan, Charlie, to the satanic.

00:29:40.000 Now we're not just warping heavenly things into godlike status.

00:29:46.000 We are now elevating ourself into that status.

00:29:50.000 I think we can agree the pagan is a sister or a cousin of the satanic, of the Luciferian. 0.98

00:29:56.000 And it's an interesting question.

00:29:59.000 I think the film is brilliant because it takes an atheist. 0.99

00:30:02.000 Like, okay, you're an atheist.

00:30:03.000 You might not believe in God, but do you believe in Satan?

00:30:05.000 Of course I don't.

00:30:06.000 Okay.

00:30:06.000 That's the premise of the film, right?

00:30:08.000 When confronted, we are living in spiritual darkness in many ways.

00:30:14.000 Paul called Satan the prince of this world, the God of this world.

00:30:18.000 Jesus called him the prince of this world.

00:30:21.000 As C.S. Lewis said, we are in enemy-occupied territory.

00:30:26.000 And we need to launch a sabotage campaign, C.S. Lewis said, against the enemy's occupation.

00:30:33.000 Steve, so many different topics that we can cover.

00:30:35.000 Any additional thoughts on this genre that we're discussing here?

00:30:38.000 I think we have to be more comfortable openly analyzing stories supernaturally.

00:30:44.000 I think we're dealing in areas where there is no obvious logical reason.

00:30:49.000 There's a logical reason people would create Medicare.

00:30:52.000 You and I might think it's the best way to help the elderly.

00:30:55.000 You and I might not think it's a constitutional program that it's a logical impulse to want to do something like that for people.

00:31:01.000 Okay.

00:31:02.000 We're talking about things that are illogical.

00:31:04.000 Dylan Mulvaney is illogical.

00:31:07.000 It's not a different opinion of reality.

00:31:09.000 It's unreality.

00:31:10.000 Okay.

00:31:11.000 And so when we get into unreality, the undoing, I mean, as much of an atheist as Ayn Rand was, she created her own philosophy called objectivism because she recognized something has to be objectively true.

00:31:22.000 Otherwise, what's the point?

00:31:24.000 Okay.

00:31:24.000 We're undoing those things that we used to call natural law or common sense.

00:31:29.000 That level of nihilistic unraveling doesn't come from us.

00:31:32.000 We are totally depraved as sinners, but we're not utterly depraved.

00:31:36.000 That comes from darkness.

00:31:37.000 And I think we need to be more open and express.

00:31:39.000 No, I mean, Ayn Rand wouldn't put up with this stuff.

00:31:42.000 I mean, Ayn Rand had a lot of problems in her hatred of religion was one of them, but she did believe A is A.

00:31:50.000 I mean, she was an Aristotelian.

00:31:51.000 She believed in a natural law, a harmony.

00:31:53.000 She believed everything came back to our senses.

00:31:56.000 And she, I mean, there was a lot wrong with her philosophy, but she wouldn't have put up with this Dylan thing.

00:32:01.000 She would have been like, no, no, no, no.

00:32:02.000 You don't get to determine what is real.

00:32:05.000 A does not become B because of a mental delusion.

00:32:09.000 Correct.

00:32:10.000 If you want to know what Ayn Rand would say about a lot of this stuff today, go read Camille Paglia.

00:32:14.000 That's probably what Ayn Rand would say about a lot of this stuff.

00:32:16.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:32:16.000 That's correct.

00:32:17.000 And so then it becomes the question of: can we build a coalition big enough and courageous enough to push back against it?

00:32:25.000 And I think the American people are largely with us.

00:32:28.000 I think many of them are scared and terrified.

00:32:29.000 The alphabet mafia is a cartel. 0.97

00:32:31.000 They will ruin your life. 0.99

00:32:32.000 They'll send you death threats. 0.83

00:32:34.000 That's what they do to you.

00:32:35.000 They do to me all the time.

00:32:36.000 They'll try to intimidate and harass you.

00:32:37.000 They'll go after you like they do Riley Games. 0.99

00:32:39.000 They'll try Riley Gaines.

00:32:40.000 They'll try to kidnap you and they'll try to do all sorts of different things.

00:32:44.000 How do we best beat them?

00:32:45.000 Two minutes remaining, Steve.

00:32:47.000 We have to get comfortable with being uncomfortable.

00:32:49.000 Right now, the people are with us, but the people want to largely be left alone.

00:32:54.000 I can promise you, I just want to be left alone, or it's not my place to say something.

00:32:58.000 It's not going to happen anytime soon.

00:32:59.000 Booses in every history book that's ever been written won't win. 0.79

00:33:02.000 Okay.

00:33:03.000 And, you know, I think we have got to get more comfortable being uncomfortable.

00:33:06.000 We are going to speak up now.

00:33:08.000 No, Anne Petunia is not going to hijack next Thanksgiving with the latest lower third from MSNBC that she largely doesn't even can't even pronounce.

00:33:16.000 No, we're going to push back.

00:33:17.000 Now, as Christians, we're going to do so in a way that doesn't destroy our witness, but we're not going to be pushovers either.

00:33:24.000 We are going to push back.

00:33:26.000 We are going to resist.

00:33:27.000 I love what Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said recently at Hillsdale College.

00:33:31.000 You've never complied your way out of totalitarianism.

00:33:34.000 The path forward is resistance.

00:33:36.000 And that is what Christians have done. 0.93

00:33:37.000 Civil disobedience, we brought it to this world.

00:33:40.000 We did not say Kaiser curious.

00:33:42.000 We said only Christos curious.

00:33:44.000 Only Jesus is Lord.

00:33:45.000 And we were willing to suffer for that.

00:33:47.000 And our church survived.

00:33:48.000 And those who made us suffer did not.

00:33:50.000 That is the path forward, being willing on some level to risk some form of alienation or suffering for what you believe.

00:33:58.000 Right now, in mass, we're not.

00:34:00.000 And that's why we're losing.

00:34:03.000 Most Christians I talk to, Steve, are unwilling or completely afraid to acknowledge the threat the trans cartel poises. 1.00

00:34:12.000 They're like, oh, they're just, they mean well.

00:34:14.000 No, they don't.

00:34:14.000 They don't mean well.

00:34:15.000 Okay.

00:34:16.000 This is not a well, even if they meant well, it's irrelevant.

00:34:18.000 The intentions, are they doing damage?

00:34:21.000 Yes, they are.

00:34:23.000 That's what matters.

00:34:25.000 Check out Nefarious, Steve Dace.

00:34:27.000 I hope you recover and feel better.

00:34:29.000 Everybody, check it out.

00:34:30.000 Thank you.

00:34:31.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - April 13, 2023

A Modern Day Screwtape Letters with Steve Deace

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