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00:01:58.000Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:00.000I am just so honored and thrilled to be joined by a legend, Dr. Wayne Grudem, who's a theologian and is just one of the most clear thinkers in all of Christianity when it comes to every aspect of life, interpreting the Bible correctly.
00:02:17.000But also, your book, Politics According to the Bible, is amazing.
00:02:22.000You gave it to me, I think it was a year and a half ago or two years ago when we first met in Arizona.
00:02:27.000I've learned so much from it and from your, I guess I could call it a Bible commentary.
00:02:41.000So for some people in our audience that don't know you, you are a living legend in the Christian world, and you are really an authority figure in the modern era on the Bible, on the inerrancy of scripture, on understanding the harmonies of the scriptures, and also interpreting it, applying it to today's time.
00:03:04.000I first became aware of you when you wrote a piece, and then I think you went back on it and then wrote again with Trump in 2016.
00:03:14.000Yes, I wrote something called Why Voting for Donald Trump is a Morally Good Choice.
00:03:18.000And then this Excess Hollywood material came out, and I said, I wrote a second piece saying I think he should withdraw because of what was in those tapes.
00:03:28.000But after four or five days, I realized I was helping Hillary to win.
00:03:33.000And so I wrote a third piece called, If you Don't Like Either Candidate, Vote for Trump's Policies.
00:03:38.000And that's where I ended up, and that's where I am today.
00:03:40.000Well, no, I wouldn't say I don't like either candidate.
00:03:43.000I don't like Joe Biden as a candidate.
00:03:45.000I do think President Trump is doing a fantastic job as president in spite of the incredible, unfair hostility of the press.
00:03:56.000We get a lot of emails from young Christians across the country that listen to our political commentary.
00:04:02.000And we do talk about Christianity every so often on this podcast, and we have pastors.
00:04:09.000However, there is a significant push to try and persuade young Christians to vote for Joe Biden.
00:04:17.000Can you just help build out first and foremost, before we even get into Joe Biden versus Trump, how should a Christian approach government?
00:04:26.000What kind of framework should they be working from a biblical worldview?
00:04:32.000Well, we live in the United States in a unique situation, Charlie.
00:04:36.000In ancient history and even more recent history, there were kings that ruled over governments, and the only way you could influence government was become a friend of the king or an advisor.
00:04:46.000Daniel was that, Nehemiah was that, Mordecai was that.
00:04:51.000But today, we have a much better way to influence government.
00:04:55.000We vote, we campaign, and we can help different campaigns.
00:04:59.000We can talk to each other because we have a government that is ultimately determined by the people of the United States.
00:05:06.000An amazing government, an amazing constitution.
00:05:10.000But I think our goal as Christians should be to influence government for good.
00:05:17.000Charlie, I went and looked in the Bible to see if there were any examples of God's people influencing not the government of Israel, any examples of God's people influencing secular government.
00:05:51.000And Nehemiah was an advisor to the king.
00:05:56.000Esther went in before King Ahashuaris and risked her life to protect the Jewish people from destruction.
00:06:03.000And Esther's relative Mordecai was second in command over the kingdom.
00:06:10.000So those are the narrative of scripture views those examples with approval.
00:06:16.000And they're examples of God's people influencing government for good.
00:06:23.000And I see another example in the New Testament where John the Baptist in Luke 3.19 rebuked Herod, who was the Roman ruler, rebuked Herod for all the evil things he had done.
00:06:33.000And that had to include a number of public policies.
00:06:37.000So I see this, Charlie, as examples throughout history of God's people influencing nations in a positive way.
00:06:45.000I see that as an outworking of God's promise to Abraham in Genesis 12, where God told Abraham, In you shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.
00:06:53.000And I think throughout history, Christians have brought blessing to nations through their influence.
00:06:59.000And there's a book by Alvin Schmidt called How Christianity Changed the World, which gives a lot of examples I could go into, but I don't know if you want to go that way.
00:07:08.000I would love to, and it's similar to a book we've talked about.
00:07:11.000And I guess we've had the book that built your world by Vishal Mengal Waldi.
00:07:15.000I don't know if you're familiar with that.
00:07:17.000I've heard of him and heard of a similar piece of literature.
00:07:21.000He comes at it from an Eastern perspective, Indian, looking into our experiment.
00:07:29.000Yes, some of the examples that influenced me, way back in the Roman Empire, Christian influence led to the outlawing of abortion and infanticide and child abandonment in 374 AD.
00:08:26.000Going forward, throughout history, in various places and times, Christians have been responsible for women gaining voting rights and property rights and other protections, education, because of a conviction that both men and women are created in the image of God and deserve equal rights.
00:08:45.000In the 1830s, in the United States, there was an abolitionist movement seeking to abolish slavery.
00:08:54.000Two-thirds of the leaders of that abolitionist movement were Christian clergymen preaching politics from the pulpit saying that slavery was immoral and needs to be abandoned.
00:09:07.000And they eventually had an influence on the nation that succeeded.
00:09:14.000Going over, oh, the War of Independence from Great Britain, in the 17, I think it was 1750 in Boston, a pastor preached a sermon called Discourse on Unlimited Submission, where he was saying unlimited submission to George III, King of England, was morally wrong from the Bible and its teachings about freedom.
00:09:40.000And that sermon was reprinted many times in 1750, had a great influence on the American thinking that normally Christians should submit to government, but when the government becomes tyrannical and oppressive and doing more harm than good, then Christians have a responsibility to escape from it, as Moses and the people of Israel did from Egypt.
00:10:03.000So the American pastors had a great influence on the Declaration of Independence, ultimately, from Great Britain.
00:10:14.000Overseas, other countries, in India, there was a terrible practice of burning widows alive with their dead husbands, which the widows didn't have a very good experience at their husbands' funerals.
00:10:36.000But Christian influence led to the outlawing of that practice in India.
00:10:40.000And in China, there was a practice of binding, that was outlawed, the burning of widows alive with their husbands was outlawed in, I believe, 1829, but I have to check.
00:10:53.000In 1912, Christian influence led to the banning of the cruel practice of binding women's feet, crippling practice of binding women's feet that was outlawed.
00:11:06.000And then, in our more recent history, my memory, not yours, Charlie, a Baptist pastor named Martin Luther King began preaching from the Bible, saying that segregation and discrimination are morally wrong and the laws need to be changed.
00:11:25.000And that led to the civil rights movement and changing our laws and in our society.
00:11:32.000So Christians throughout history have influenced government for good.
00:11:36.000And I think you are doing that same thing today.
00:11:41.000And so some of the pushback I get, and I'm not alone in receiving this criticism, is that some Christians believe that we should not be in the public square, that we as Christians should stay away from politics, that the church has no role in politics.
00:12:01.000And this has now been almost the prevailing and dominant viewpoint of many of the biggest churches in the country.
00:12:10.000Your incredibly, incredibly effective point of mentioning Joseph and Nehemiah, Esther, I missed all the names, but they're phenomenal.
00:12:34.000And so is it your position that we as Christians are called to do whatever part we can, small or big, to try and influence public policy or elections or for the welfare or the betterment of the nation that we're in?
00:13:12.000This world is not my home, that kind of thinking.
00:13:15.000But I go back to Jeremiah the prophet, who spoke to the exiles, the Jewish exiles who had been taken away from Palestine, their homeland of Israel, and they were carried away 800 miles to Babylon.
00:13:48.000It's commonly peace, but peace and a positive everything is right in relationship with God and you and the world.
00:13:55.000Seek the welfare, well-being, the good of the city where God has sent you into exile and pray to the Lord on its behalf, says Jeremiah, for in its welfare you will find your welfare.
00:14:07.000So Jeremiah is telling them to bring blessing through their prayers to the kingdom of Babylon as long as they are there and in exile.
00:14:16.000So we should influence civil government for good while we're here on earth as exiles.
00:14:23.000And the other answer to that is, what do we do with 1 Timothy 2, where Paul says, Pray for those in authority that you might live quiet and peaceable lives.
00:14:30.000Right, we're to pray for good government.
00:14:31.000I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way.
00:14:42.000So if we're to pray for good government, pray for change in government, isn't it right also to work as God calls us for good government?
00:14:52.000So some pastors will say, I don't get involved in politics because of Romans 13.
00:15:18.000So for listeners who may not have their Bible app open, let every person be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
00:15:35.000And then in Romans 13, 4, Paul says the civil authority is God's servant for your good, God's servant for your good.
00:15:44.000Well, if people who work in government are God's servant for our good, we should do what we can to help them and encourage them in their work.
00:15:53.000But that's part of God's work on earth, is to call people to some to work in business, some in medicine, some in education, but some in government.
00:16:04.000And so some Christians say that, what's the point?
00:16:10.000I think you've just outlined a very compelling argument that we are commanded biblically to, as you mentioned, want good government and want the betterment of the nation.
00:18:16.000And I think you put it there for a reason.
00:18:18.000And it's similar to a piece you just wrote where your title was The Threat of Judicial Tyranny is the case to vote against Biden, but you have number one as judges.
00:18:44.000In starting the government of the United States, the founders of our country were able to start from scratch and construct a government as they thought best.
00:18:55.000And there were what I heard somebody say is the greatest collection of political geniuses ever assembled in one place.
00:19:03.000And they had different views, so they argued back and forth, but they came to compromise on many issues and they came up with a U.S. Constitution, which is amazingly wise.
00:19:12.000Here's the situation: government has to have enough power to govern the country so we don't have anarchy.
00:19:21.000But then how is government going to be itself restrained?
00:19:25.000And how are we going to keep government from becoming a tyranny, dictator, An evil emperor.
00:19:35.000The answer that the founders of the Constit and the authors of the Constitution came up with was: we're going to divide power or separate power in various areas.
00:19:45.000We're going to separate national from local power.
00:19:48.000So states and cities have a lot of power.
00:19:51.000I think states in the United States have more power than any regional governments in any country that I know of on earth, and I've been to a lot of countries.
00:20:00.000And then at the national level, power is separated between the Congress, which is legislative, the president, which is the executive branch, and the judicial, which is the judges.
00:20:13.000And then there's a separation of power from the government to the people because we have protected the right of freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, freedom to petition the government for grievances, right to bear arms.
00:20:55.000So power to govern is scattered throughout all these different branches.
00:21:01.000The essence of the separation of power, the heart of it, is judges are the final rulers who the final determiners, the final evaluators of whether someone is breaking the rules or not.
00:21:18.000Because over the Congress, over the president, over the Supreme Court, over the states, over the national government, over all those branches of government is the Constitution.
00:21:29.000And the judges are to say: if you step outside the bounds of the Constitution, your law is no good.
00:21:38.000So now we have a liberal idea that came along a few decades ago.
00:21:43.000Judges can invent new laws and say that they're part of the Constitution when they're not.
00:21:51.000So in 1973 in Roe v. Wade, we had the judges of the Supreme Court, the justices, say there's a right to abortion in the Constitution, where the Constitution has not one word about abortion.
00:22:05.000And then Obergefell recently, there's a right to same-sex marriage in the Constitution.
00:22:10.000Well, the authors of the Constitution would have been astounded to think anybody could see that.
00:22:16.000Well, here it is right here in this phrase, due process of law.
00:22:21.000So the judges are all of a sudden making laws and laws respecting freedom of religion as well.
00:22:30.000Charlie, imagine a football game where the referee comes and picks up the football and runs it to the end zone, to the red team's end zone, giving the blue team a touchdown.
00:22:44.000And the red team protests and says, referee can't carry the ball into the end zone.
00:22:49.000And the referee says, look at the NFL rule book, Rule 15.2.3.
00:22:55.000The referee shall be the final determiner of the position of the ball.
00:23:03.000And then the red team says, that doesn't mean you can pick up the ball and take it into the end zone.
00:23:08.000It's not what it meant when it was written.
00:23:10.000And the referee said, I say that's what it means.
00:23:24.000He does the same thing over and over again.
00:23:26.000And there's nothing anybody can do to stop him because he's the final determiner.
00:23:30.000So that's what's happening, what's happened with our Supreme Court.
00:23:33.000When they stopped judging laws and started making laws, the separation of powers, there's two great powers to make laws and to judge laws, evaluate, that separation of powers was destroyed.
00:23:48.000And now the Republicans, if Amy Coney Barrett is confirmed, which I think she will be.
00:24:06.000And she was very clear in her hearings in the Senate Judiciary Committee that that's what her job would be.
00:24:11.000So it's restoring the separation of powers that protects us from tyranny because the people who judge the laws are just judging whether they're according to the Constitution, which protects us, protects our freedom or not.
00:24:23.000So the answer of the Democrats, many Democrats has been, and Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have not disavowed this.
00:24:30.000They won't answer questions about it, has been, well, that's simple.
00:24:34.000We'll just add six justices to the Supreme Court, more liberal ones who can start making laws again.
00:24:39.000That's adding more referees who can make touchdowns for their favorite team.
00:24:45.000But what that does is it takes the power to make laws and the power to evaluate laws in the same body.
00:24:52.000And that concentration of powers among a small group of people is what James Madison called in the Federalist Papers the essence of tyranny.
00:25:02.000Because they could enact the whole liberal agenda, and we couldn't do a thing about it.
00:25:09.000And the president has the best record on judges that we have seen.
00:25:44.000So one of the complaints that some Christians have about President Trump and Republicans is that they only care about being pro-life and then they don't care about anything after that.
00:26:42.000Why should Christians be pro-life in the sense that you and I are preventing abortion?
00:26:49.000Because the unborn child is a person, is to be treated as a person.
00:26:57.000When after Mary, the mother of Jesus, got the announcement that she was going to bear a son, she went to visit her relative Elizabeth, who was six months pregnant.
00:27:12.000And Elizabeth said, when your greeting came to my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.
00:27:21.000That's John the Baptist before he was born.
00:28:06.000It's a law in the laws of Moses that says if two men are fighting and they strike a woman with a child, a pregnant woman, and then literally the Hebrew text says, so that her children come out, that is, there's a premature birth or miscarriage.
00:28:25.000The penalty is, now this is accidentally causing premature birth or miscarriage.
00:28:31.000If there's no physical harm to the mother or the baby, then there's still a fine to be paid because they endangered human life.
00:28:39.000But if there's any harm to the mother or the baby, you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, arm for arm.
00:28:50.000Now, when you go through the other laws that God gave through Moses, accidentally killing someone, like you're chopping wood and the axe head flies off and hits somebody in the head, that isn't punished with capital punishment.
00:29:09.000So there's a punishment for accidentally killing another human being, not being careful, but it's not death penalty.
00:29:17.000But if you do this with a pregnant woman or her baby, it causes death to either one of them, you lose your life.
00:29:25.000That is, there's a stronger punishment for the harm to an unborn child, for the death of an unborn child, than for any other crime in any other accidental wrongdoing in Israel's history, or Israel's laws.
00:29:41.000So I think that means, Charlie, that God is putting a higher premium on protecting the life of the unborn child than on protecting the life of any, and his mother, than on protecting the life of anybody else in Israelite society.
00:29:54.000Plus, there's just the fact that any woman who's pregnant knows there's a person in there.
00:30:03.000Our son and daughter-in-law recently had a wonderful little baby girl.
00:30:08.000And when the pregnancy was moving along, they got an ultrasound.
00:30:17.000It was so funny that they were trying to decide from the ultrasound whether the baby looked like the dad or the mom.
00:30:23.000But they were thinking of names, they were thinking of him as a separate person.
00:30:32.000And unlike other parts of the mother's body, unlike parts of the mother's body, not other parts, every cell in the baby's body has a different DNA than the mother.
00:30:44.000And I don't know how many cells in a baby's body, but we have over 30 trillion cells in our bodies as adults.
00:31:10.000So these evangelicals for Biden, I've seen the headline, Pro-Life Evangelicals for Biden.
00:31:18.000That's deceptive because when you go to the website, what they're saying is pro-life means, yes, we're concerned about abortion, but they won't say we need laws to prevent abortion.
00:31:30.000They'll just say help unwed mothers carry their pregnancy to term and things like that.
00:31:36.000But pro-life, they say, also means relief of poverty, health care, insurance, health care, opposition to smoking, opposition to racism, and prevention of climate change.
00:31:52.000So pro-life, which has been in English, has had one standard definition, meaning in favor of laws against abortion.
00:32:04.000These pro-life evangelicals for Biden are dishonest because they're taking the word pro- or the phrase pro-life and making it mean something it has never meant in American political discourse.
00:32:16.000No one previously has said, I'm pro-life, which means I'm for government increase in government welfare payments, overcoming smoking, overcoming racism, national health insurance, and climate change opposition.
00:32:34.000No one, if you say, to an ordinary conversation I'm pro-life, that doesn't mean you're opposed to climate change.
00:32:54.000They call it depoliticizing the court now.
00:32:57.000That's what the Associated Press is calling it.
00:33:01.000Which means we should have all originalists on the court.
00:33:06.000Because justices who are independent referees are absolutely not political.
00:33:13.000They're returning the power to make laws to the legislatures and the president, the Congress and the President, or the state legislatures and the governors.
00:33:21.000That's depoliticizing the court, is electing conservatives to the or nominating and confirming conservatives as justices.
00:34:25.000So you have here number six, standing with Israel.
00:34:30.000Yes, President Trump moved the American embassy to Jerusalem, which many previous presidents had promised to do, but they haven't followed through.
00:34:38.000That's a characteristic of President Trump.
00:34:40.000He gets things done that others haven't been able to finish.
00:34:44.000His life is a story of achieving impossible goals.
00:34:51.000He's a doer, incredibly energetic worker who doesn't stop until he gets a solution.
00:34:58.000But not just moving the embassy to Jerusalem, which is amazing and I think very right.
00:35:05.000He has negotiated Historic agreements now to normalize diplomatic relations between Israel and Bahrain, Israel and the United Arab Emirates, which is where Dubai is.
00:35:21.000This is a history-changing accomplishment, which the press is ignoring, but it's monumental because I think other countries will follow, other Arab countries will follow and ultimately isolate Iran.
00:35:37.000Iran is the bad bad player in the Middle East right now.
00:36:09.000A partial hardening has come upon Israel, Romans 11:25, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way all Israel will be saved.
00:36:18.000Romans 8:28, as regards the gospel, this is key.
00:36:30.000It's the people of Israel who have rejected Christ.
00:36:33.000But as regards the election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers.
00:36:37.000God has a special plan yet for the Jewish people where I think they will be grafted back into their own olive tree.
00:36:47.000If their trespass means riches for the world, if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean?
00:36:54.000So I think that God has planned that eventually the great revival, Christian revival, is going to come to the Jewish people.
00:37:06.000And I think their gathering into the land of Israel as a nation in 1948, 72 years ago, is God's preparation for that.
00:37:14.000And President Trump is the most pro-Israel president.
00:37:44.000That was an incredibly costly agreement that would have made us more and more dependent on expensive sources of energy, solar energy and wind power, which are unreliable and very expensive.
00:38:01.000It's all based on an idea that carbon dioxide, which is a harmless and necessary gas, carbon dioxide is what comes out of the can when you open a coke and the fizzes.
00:38:14.000And we exhale carbon dioxide when we breathe.
00:38:18.000It's not a poison, it's not a pollutant.
00:38:21.000But the political left has become convinced that the use of coal, oil, and natural gas, releasing carbon dioxide, is going to overheat the earth.
00:38:40.000Do you think that God put these abundant energy sources in the earth, coal, oil, natural gas?
00:38:46.000They're easily easily transportable once we have them and they're very powerful energy sources.
00:38:51.000Do we really believe that God put those things in the earth so that we would use them, but he booby-trapped them so that by using them we would destroy the earth?
00:39:40.000Yeah, that well, I think the position I would advocate is wise use of the earth's resources.
00:39:49.000Not use the earth's resources and pollute the waters of our country, the lakes and the streams, and not raise crops and leave the land unsuitable for future cultivation.
00:40:07.000But wise use of the earth means cutting down trees and planting new ones so that more, ever since 1921, every year there have been more board feet of timber growing in the United States than the year before.
00:40:20.000Because when forest lumber companies come into a wild forest, they cut down the trees that are scattered in random places throughout the area and they plant rows of trees which can get a lot more trees in the same acreage.
00:40:56.000So you also have on this list persuading European nations to pay more for NATO, protecting against false accusations on college campuses, protecting freedom of speech on college campuses.
00:41:14.000It's essential to the functioning of democracy.
00:41:17.000Why should Christians care about freedom of speech?
00:41:20.000Because eventually what will happen without it is you can't preach the gospel publicly.
00:41:26.000China is just cracking down on the church violently, prohibiting the printing of hymns or printing of Bibles.
00:41:38.000Can you make the argument why you think the best form of government is not a theocracy for the Christian biblical worldview?
00:41:47.000Well, Jesus said, render to Caesar that which is Caesar's and render to God that which is God's.
00:41:51.000So he made a distinction between areas of life that are rightfully governed by civil government.
00:42:01.000That is paying taxes to Caesar because Caesar's inscription was on the coin that he held.
00:42:06.000But and render to God the things that are God's indicates that there are some areas of life which the government has no right to control, and that would be certainly our worship and our obedience out of our conscience, obedience to the dictates of our conscience.
00:42:24.000And this is where conservatives or Republicans and Democrats differ.
00:42:28.000The dominant view in the Democratic Party is we should force people to people in creative professions, we should force them to affirm a same-sex marriage, which is contrary to their conscience.
00:42:49.000And driving people, it'll drive people out of many photography, bakers, florists, Drive them out of those occupations and they'll have to find new work after their lifetime has been given to that occupation.
00:43:05.000And forcing doctors and nurses to participate in abortion for sacred licensing, those kinds of things.
00:43:17.000A lot of the feedback I get from swing voters, because we have a lot of people that listen to this podcast.
00:43:24.000Despite our very outward Christian and conservative position, there's a lot of people that enjoy just listening.
00:44:14.000We're going to either have Joe Biden as president and all the Democratic policies that come with him, which I think are very destructive to the nation, and 4,000 appointments that the president gets to make in the federal government.
00:44:28.000We have package A, Biden, or we'll have package B, Trump, with the policies of the Republican Party, which I think are very helpful for the nation and consistent with biblical teaching.
00:44:41.000And 4,000 appointments that the president gets to make.
00:44:45.000Now, in package A, you get Joe Biden's personality, his moral standards, what seems to be his use of government influence for the benefit of his financial benefit of his family.
00:45:40.000And the bodyguards that make me feel the most safe, that I can live my life, do what I need to do, they're the meanest, toughest dudes you'll ever meet.
00:45:52.000And they turn to me and say, don't worry, I got it.
00:45:55.000We go through that crowd, and they're six foot eight, and they got shoulders that could fill the whole door.
00:46:00.000And I think it's just clear that just we have to kind of understand that what kind of president do we want in this time that we're in in our country.
00:46:09.000And we're in a place, it's a democracy, yes, a special kind of democracy called a republic.
00:46:20.000There's a conflict between those who want to allow babies' lives to be snuffed out and those who want to protect babies' lives.
00:46:27.000Between those who want a strong military and those who want a weak military, between those who want a strong economy and those who want high taxes and government control of business, which is a weakened economy, between those who want spiritual freedom, freedom of conscience for Christians, and those who want to suppress Christians and have us p express moral convictions only inside the walls of the church.
00:46:54.000Those who are promoting the validity of homosexuality to be taught in public schools versus those who say as Christians, we don't want our children taught those moral standards.
00:47:12.000There are conflicts at many levels in many policies.
00:47:17.000Those who want us to be able to use their resources for our benefit, use them wisely, and those who want to restrict and forbid us to use the earth's resources.
00:47:28.000Those who think that the best solution to poverty is jobs that allow people to support themselves and give the dignity of work, versus those who think the success is increasing the number of people on welfare, not increasing the number of people, increasing the amount of welfare that is distributed, yeah.
00:48:49.000Rousseau would hold the view that any sinful nature is not that at all, or any activity that you might deem to be impermissible, it's because of the system around you, and you have to change the system.
00:49:26.000I mean, that changed all of, you know, civilization up until that point where there was an idea of blood guilt and an idea of just being group accountability.
00:49:47.000And then there's no accountability for individual wrongdoing.
00:49:55.000And crime and violence and murder increase rapidly, as we're seeing in Chicago, in New York, in other cities controlled by liberal Democrats.
00:51:20.000I have to go through immigration and customs because the United States has an interest, as every other nation on earth does, in controlling who comes into the country.
00:51:45.000I would encourage people who think a border wall is a bad idea to take a concordance or a Bible app and search for the word wall in the Bible.
00:51:56.000There are many examples of walls being a blessing.
00:52:01.000When the wall around Jerusalem was completed, it was a blessing from God, a sign of God's favor.
00:52:10.000And there's a proverb: a man without self-control is like a city broken into and left without walls.
00:52:17.000That's a shameful thing for a city to have.
00:52:20.000Now, cities had gates so people could come in, but there was a control over who came in.
00:52:25.000Wasn't it Nehemiah that helped rebuild the wall?
00:53:00.000But we need the right to control, the ability to control who comes in and who is admitted.
00:53:06.000It's a harm to the country, but it's a harm to those who come in undocumented and secretly and live in a subservient or subordinate class or group that is unknown to the system, but then they can be robbed or beaten and they're afraid to report the crime to the police.
00:53:28.000They're taken advantage of because they don't want it known that they're here without documentation.
00:53:33.000It's a harm to them as well as a harm to the society.
00:53:38.000I think we should let in many, many, many immigrants.
00:53:40.000We let in a million a year legally, which is more than any nation in the world.
00:53:47.000But the American people will not, there will not be a popular will to come to a reasonable solution about immigration until people feel the wall is secure, the border is secure.
00:53:59.000Then, what do we do with people who are here illegally?
00:54:01.000I think there should be a path to citizenship.
00:54:06.000Now, the details of it would have to be worked out in politics.
00:54:10.000But I think, Charlie, and this is my own opinion.
00:54:13.000I think that there's a difference in the political parties.
00:54:16.000The Republicans want a comprehensive immigration reform plan that would allow a lot of immigrants in legally.
00:54:22.000But the Democrats don't want any deal at all because they think it helps them politically to keep on letting more and more undocumented immigrants come into the country because eventually they think they'll become Democratic voters.
00:54:40.000So, in closing, I want to talk about why you think certain churches have remained silent on the political issue and why other churches have embraced kind of critical race theory and BLM Incorporated.
00:54:52.000And so, why do you think that the church does not see these issues as clearly as you do?
00:54:58.000Now, a majority of Christians do, actually, but some of these institutions seem as if they have wavered on some of these issues.
00:55:06.000Is it that they're not teaching proper theology?
00:57:27.000It's judges, tax cuts, building a stronger U.S. military, protecting unborn babies, expanding educational freedom, standing with Israel, negotiating a historic agreement between Israel and the UAE, building a border wall, comprehensive immigration reform proposals, religious freedom and freedom of conscience, withdrawing from Paris Climate Accord, energy production, energy independence, waterways of the U.S., halting the increase in corporate average fuel economy standards, defeating ISIS, persuading European nations to pay more for NATO,
00:57:56.000protecting against false accusations on college campuses, my favorite, protecting freedom of speech on college campuses, 18.
00:58:02.000Protecting boys and girls' bathrooms, locker rooms, and sports teams, very important.
00:58:06.000Negotiating new trade agreements that are more favorable to the U.S., streamlining environmental reviews for major construction projects, sending weapons to Ukraine, standing up to China and Russia, withdrawing from the Iran deal, a wise COVID-19 response, reforming the Department of Veteran Affairs, criminal justice from reducing prescription drug prices, protecting federal property from rioters, and welcoming evangelical Christians in positions of influence.
00:58:30.000And you say the context, refusing to waver in the face of the most biased reporting in American history.
00:58:35.000And you say for every one negative statement of Biden, there's 158 negative evaluations of Trump.
00:58:40.000That's evening news, NBC, CBS, and ABC during June and July.
00:58:45.000I remember that because 158 is the number I see when I step on the scale.
01:00:51.000And then we built up from there what we should actually do in this election, which I think is a very compelling argument from a biblical worldview to re-elect President Trump.
01:01:21.000And if this podcast has moved you, touched you in any way, and you want young people to hear this message and you say, man, I just wish my nephew, my niece, my son, my daughter, my granddaughter would hear messages like this.
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