The Charlie Kirk Show - A New Job for the Pillow Merchant? with Mike Lindell and Thomas Massie

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00:01:27.000 Mike Lindell joins us.

00:01:29.000 Mike, you're a great American patriot.

00:01:31.000 Love having you on.

00:01:32.000 You're also running for RNC chair.

00:01:34.000 I have not had a chance to have you on the program to discuss that.

00:01:37.000 And I'm super glad you're running because we have to make changes with Ronna Romney running the RNC.

00:01:43.000 Mike, make the case.

00:01:44.000 Why should you run the RNC?

00:01:46.000 Well, it's like a big business, and I'm very good at running businesses and business with adversity.

00:01:52.000 I have over 2,000 employees and we've made it through some of the biggest adversity you could imagine.

00:01:58.000 And the RNC has not changed what they do based on their current footprint.

00:02:04.000 And I've checked, I've really investigated a lot of it now, but let's just take the big donors that don't, and the micro donors, they don't trust the RNC anymore.

00:02:13.000 We've had five losses in a row and five apps I give Rana in a row.

00:02:19.000 And when you take almost 40% of the money that comes from a donor and you're going to fundraising, the fundraiser and going to the person that runs the project in a particular state, that's like being a middleman.

00:02:35.000 That's way too much.

00:02:36.000 So you can fix that.

00:02:38.000 Also, the platforms, Charlie, within the RNC, I heard just an example.

00:02:43.000 You know, their machine that runs at your email blast and your text marketing.

00:02:48.000 I heard that the Gmails, just their Gmails alone, 90% were going into spam before the 2022 election.

00:02:55.000 Well, yes, granted, Gmails are almost 35% of all your emails.

00:03:01.000 And they are working on, they did go after Google on that.

00:03:04.000 So that was a good move they made.

00:03:06.000 But there's also 30 some other email platforms.

00:03:09.000 They all need to be looked at to make their all working efficiently.

00:03:14.000 And then I would, the first thing I would do too is set up an information hub like I have with my own cause of America, dealing with all 50 states on a weekly basis.

00:03:23.000 168 heads are better than one. 0.66

00:03:26.000 And I've been calling them all, you know, talking to them, finding out what they see as problems.

00:03:31.000 And also one of the biggest things that comes up is communication.

00:03:34.000 If you have something good going over going on in Nevada, you better let people over in Florida know about it too.

00:03:40.000 So that we and the other thing that I bring to the table is marketing and branding.

00:03:45.000 Yeah, I bring it.

00:03:46.000 Instant trust to the RNC, instant trust.

00:03:49.000 If I'm my, by the way, my, my, my wage would go right back into the RNC in its current form.

00:03:56.000 But I'll tell you, if I have to look a donor in the eye and say, hey, put money into this, it's like buying a pillow.

00:04:02.000 Every product I have, I use myself.

00:04:04.000 I believe in it.

00:04:05.000 Or why how would I, why would I dare go ask a donor for money, Charlie?

00:04:09.000 And Mike, you've been a donor yourself.

00:04:10.000 You've given serious money.

00:04:12.000 I mean, not just the RNC, but you've given, I would say, $10 plus million dollars to the effort of good and noble cause the last couple of years.

00:04:19.000 Is that correct?

00:04:21.000 Well, I put in, I put my own money, probably about 40 million the last couple of years.

00:04:26.000 Okay, well, I'm off by a factor of four.

00:04:28.000 No, no, I'm complimenting you.

00:04:30.000 That's so, so you're, you're invested here.

00:04:32.000 This is not a chance to extract.

00:04:35.000 You say, hey, I want my country to succeed and I want 40 million bucks.

00:04:39.000 Let's get this figured out.

00:04:41.000 100%.

00:04:42.000 And Charlie, you bring up the biggest point there where I'm the person for the job is if the RNC, one of the biggest problems is why did you have this when you should have had the biggest red wave in history, when Donald Trump should have overwhelmingly won, which he did.

00:04:59.000 But when you have all the platforms broken, when I say, you know, you need to have paper ballots hand counted, you need to fix the voter rolls, fix mail-in voting, all of these things.

00:05:10.000 Charlie, I've been working on this for two years.

00:05:13.000 I'm two years ahead of anybody on this.

00:05:15.000 And we have so much going on.

00:05:17.000 We have over 200 counties that have committed to going to paper.

00:05:20.000 But with those platforms, that manifestation of all the work of myself and others over the next two years is going to, you're going to see the fruits of that.

00:05:29.000 But so that part, I don't even have, because people say, well, Mike, we want you to continue going on that.

00:05:35.000 No, that's ready.

00:05:36.000 Now I just sit back.

00:05:37.000 I've got lawyers, everybody else working on that.

00:05:40.000 So that's a big thing that got fixed or that is getting fixed.

00:05:45.000 So all these other silos within the RNC, they'll be able to function not only better, but you will have a fair playing field.

00:05:56.000 That was one of the biggest things.

00:05:57.000 This is important.

00:05:58.000 I mean, Mike, running a $200 to $300 million operation doesn't intimidate you.

00:06:02.000 You kind of understand how to do that, right?

00:06:04.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:06:05.000 I mean, because these numbers sometimes, for someone who really has not that kind of experience of running big operations, you know, because for example, the financials came out and they're spending 700 grand on flowers and all that.

00:06:18.000 Now, they said that's a small percentage, but Mike, you running a big business know that it's the margins that make success.

00:06:25.000 That's right.

00:06:26.000 So talk about that.

00:06:27.000 Yeah, you know, it's I view every, I'll give you an example.

00:06:31.000 I view every one of my, I'm on over, I don't know, thousands of radio stations and podcasts.

00:06:37.000 But I view every one of them.

00:06:38.000 Like, what if it was my only one or every part of my business?

00:06:41.000 What if you had to rely just on this?

00:06:43.000 You want to make that part the best it can be.

00:06:46.000 And you're not only in the RNC right now, you're not just getting no return on your investment, but you're the money you are putting in, you better make, you better maximize that and look at each part.

00:06:58.000 You can't just say, oh, let's just collect more money because we're spending 40% on overhead.

00:07:04.000 Charlie, I've ran a foundation.

00:07:06.000 I set up my own about four or five years ago where it was in 104 countries and we were less than 5% overhead.

00:07:14.000 Now, that's unheard of, but that, but it's just, I'm just telling you, this is what I can do.

00:07:21.000 You want to make everything streamlined as best as it can be.

00:07:25.000 There's a thing called WinRED within the RNC and Data Trust.

00:07:29.000 Win Red, quite frankly, I think it's double what it should be.

00:07:33.000 That's a merchant server.

00:07:34.000 I've looked at that.

00:07:35.000 I'm going, why is it almost 4%?

00:07:37.000 It should be 2%.

00:07:38.000 Well, everyone says, well, that's the question of percentage.

00:07:41.000 But percentage or two, Mike, that's the difference between my pillow being profitable or unprofitable.

00:07:47.000 Absolutely.

00:07:48.000 And these numbers, when you're in business, you know, I'm going to tell you too: you duplicate your successes and you look at deviations.

00:07:57.000 Like my company, Charlie, 500 of my employees have my direct number and everyone says, What?

00:08:03.000 You're kidding.

00:08:04.000 Out of 2,000 employees, 500 have my direct number.

00:08:06.000 They will call me if there's a deviation, so we have communication.

00:08:10.000 But if I'm not hearing from them, I know that everything's running perfect.

00:08:13.000 Now, when I say that, is if you got all these states and territories, if you have a success or a deviation, hey, we had something really good happen here.

00:08:23.000 I want to know about it immediately so that I can reach out to everyone else and duplicate that.

00:08:28.000 Duplicate your successes.

00:08:30.000 If something bad went on, I'm going to let the other ones know: hey, we don't want to do this.

00:08:34.000 And when I talk about, I specifically talk about two is fundraising for the states.

00:08:40.000 And they've asked me as I've called these 168 as I've been going through them.

00:08:45.000 They asked me, they go, well, Mike, you know, Ronna gave us this and she promised us this money from the RNC money.

00:08:51.000 I said, well, I don't know how that works.

00:08:53.000 I'm not going to promise you that, but I will promise you this.

00:08:56.000 I will come to each and every state and territory and I will raise money there.

00:09:00.000 That's what I can do.

00:09:01.000 That's what I've done.

00:09:02.000 I don't take a fee.

00:09:03.000 I've been to all 50 states except for two in the last year alone.

00:09:07.000 And that's including Hawaii and Alaska.

00:09:11.000 So I take, I've been, I've been at the grassroots Charlie dealing from the grassroots all the way up to meeting with all the attorney generals and all the politicians, but mostly you're down at the precinct level.

00:09:22.000 And this is, and then up through the RNC.

00:09:24.000 And like you said, I've been an El Partsman.

00:09:26.000 I've been a donor.

00:09:27.000 I'm a little upset when they collect money in 2020, tens of millions of dollars based on, hey, we're going to look into the election.

00:09:35.000 We're going to look into election fraud and crime and election integrity.

00:09:38.000 And they never spent a dime on that.

00:09:40.000 There's got to be some accountability there.

00:09:42.000 So here's the test.

00:09:44.000 If I were to ask an average person, what is the my pillow slogan?

00:09:49.000 They'd say, well, it's the best night's sleep you'll ever have.

00:09:52.000 What's the RNC slogan?

00:09:54.000 That right there.

00:09:55.000 And that's just an interesting, you know how to market, Mike.

00:09:58.000 I mean, yeah, if you got a brand, we've got a slogan for the midterms.

00:10:02.000 What was the slogan?

00:10:03.000 Yeah, we for the midterms.

00:10:04.000 I don't know.

00:10:05.000 Who does know?

00:10:07.000 But they, but the RNC, it needs to be, it needs a new brand.

00:10:12.000 It needs to be the brand of success.

00:10:14.000 And that's the first thing.

00:10:17.000 I bring instant trust because I know I can fix it.

00:10:20.000 Charlie, I did my due diligence and seen what was broken and seen what needs to be fixed before I even put my hat in there and knowing that I could do the job.

00:10:28.000 I care about this country.

00:10:30.000 I love my country.

00:10:31.000 And we can't lose the American dream because we're at the most critical time in history right now.

00:10:37.000 If we don't change things now, it's over.

00:10:37.000 That's right.

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00:11:46.000 So, Mike, a concern that one of our listeners has emailed us that I think is important to navigate is they're worried that you and Harmit are going to split the America first vote.

00:11:57.000 Now, I don't know how big of a deal that is because a vote not for Rana actually just lowers the threshold for Rana.

00:12:02.000 Walk us through that, Mike.

00:12:04.000 It's actually the opposite of what they're saying.

00:12:08.000 It's very important that we both are in this race because when you get to California and when they vote on the 27th, you have to have 85 of the 168.

00:12:21.000 So, and I believe that there are people, as I've been talking to members and they're saying, I'm voting for you, Mike.

00:12:28.000 They believe in me, everything I've done.

00:12:30.000 And Harmeet's getting the same thing, and she's talking to them all.

00:12:34.000 And so let's just, between the two of us, we need to keep, if you keep Rana under 85 on the first vote, remember, this doesn't, now you just go into the next vote.

00:12:47.000 The bottom person does not get taken off, Charlie.

00:12:50.000 So the vote, you just keep giving votes and votes, but I believe back with Ryan Spriebus, it took seven votes.

00:12:55.000 Now, if Harmee, I mean, if Rana is under 85, which I believe she's sitting now around 70, 75, that's what I'm, you know, by my best estimations.

00:13:06.000 And also, I want to tell everyone, there's no machines in this vote, everybody.

00:13:10.000 And it is a secret vote.

00:13:14.000 So people can say all they want.

00:13:17.000 They're out there that, you know, they might say just like they do with their president.

00:13:20.000 You might have some going, I'm not going to vote for Mike Lindell.

00:13:23.000 Or you might have some say, I'm voting for Rana, but they're really not voting for Rana because no one's going to know when that secret vote ballot goes in.

00:13:31.000 But Charlie, it's very important.

00:13:34.000 Let's say, which it will, it'll go to the second, it goes into the second vote now.

00:13:39.000 I don't, once you've left the Rana bucket, you're not going back in that bucket because now, because now we're there, both Harmeet and I have great change that we bring to the RNC because the RANA, you can't have the same input and get the same output.

00:13:57.000 You need a different input here.

00:13:59.000 I want to tell you right thing right now, this is something that if I was head of the RNC right now, and I'm not, but I'm the one getting the word out, there is something so terrible that could happen this Saturday to not just the state of South Dakota, but the RNC in general and our whole country.

00:14:18.000 And this is this, that we put in over the last two years, people at the precinct level, Charlie, and at the precinct level, all over the country.

00:14:29.000 And in South Dakota, it was hundreds more that have been sat empty for decades at the precinct committee level.

00:14:35.000 Now, last June, they were put into power.

00:14:40.000 They all got voted in.

00:14:41.000 They went to the convention.

00:14:43.000 They actually voted out a very bad Secretary of State and voted in a very good one.

00:14:48.000 And so then these, then they also vote on all the rest of the GOP throughout the state of South Dakota.

00:14:56.000 Well, that vote would be coming up in February.

00:14:58.000 So what the GOP did in South Dakota, they're having a special meeting this Saturday.

00:15:05.000 Everybody get ready for this to vote on to get rid of the precinct strategy or the precinct committee people's votes.

00:15:14.000 In other words, they're going to vote them out that they could never vote again in the history of South Dakota.

00:15:20.000 And so you basically, if that sets a precedent for this country, every precinct person in the country would lose their, that's our foundation of the RNC.

00:15:30.000 That's our base.

00:15:32.000 And I was on a call with, I was on a call with thousands of the grassroots, three calls I made this week were concerned over this.

00:15:42.000 And I had one in Arizona said, oh, this could never happen in Arizona.

00:15:47.000 I said, hey, the times we're in now, you better stop stuff at its genesis.

00:15:52.000 You better stop this.

00:15:53.000 So it is so important.

00:15:55.000 I called the governor.

00:15:56.000 I reached out to the governor of South Dakota, Christy Noams, and I said, Christy, you need to come out with a statement.

00:16:01.000 I haven't heard her statement yet, Charlie.

00:16:03.000 This is a big concern. 0.59

00:16:05.000 Ronna McDaniel should be all over the news and all over everything right now and saying, hey, we can't have this or the Republican Party's destroyed from the grassroots.

00:16:16.000 And I did talk, I actually talked to Harmit about this too.

00:16:21.000 We talked on Sunday about this because I said, what would you do if you were in?

00:16:25.000 She'd be all over it.

00:16:26.000 We both would be all over this. 0.98

00:16:28.000 And Ronna McDaniel is sitting there.

00:16:30.000 I don't know if she doesn't know, but I would think she does.

00:16:34.000 Maybe that's something that she has no problem with.

00:16:39.000 She doesn't care then about the grassroots people, about the precinct committeemen.

00:16:43.000 It's a shame, Charlie.

00:16:44.000 It really is.

00:16:45.000 And we just got to pray that they don't vote them, vote out the precinct people, because this would be it.

00:16:53.000 Mike, I'm really glad you're running.

00:16:54.000 And I love your passion for America.

00:16:57.000 $40 plus million dollars that you've spent to save the country.

00:17:00.000 You are an investor, not a taker.

00:17:01.000 And there's so few people like that.

00:17:03.000 God bless you, Mike.

00:17:04.000 Thank you so much.

00:17:04.000 God bless you.

00:17:05.000 Charlie, and you're awesome.

00:17:06.000 You've done great things for our country, and we're proud of you.

00:17:09.000 Thanks.

00:17:09.000 See you in Dana Point, Mike.

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00:18:15.000 One of the most exciting developments from last week's negotiations is the new church committee.

00:18:25.000 And one of the members of that new church committee is one of my favorite members of Congress.

00:18:29.000 He loves the Constitution.

00:18:31.000 He loves liberty.

00:18:32.000 He's honest and he's tough.

00:18:34.000 And he's going to really go after the Intel agencies.

00:18:38.000 It's Thomas Massey, who's just terrific from Kentucky.

00:18:42.000 Congressman Massey, welcome to the program.

00:18:44.000 Hey, thanks for having me on, Charlie.

00:18:46.000 So, Congressman Massey, explain to us what is this new committee and what is the goal of the new church and pike committee that has now been launched. 0.88

00:18:57.000 Great.

00:18:58.000 Yeah, I'll give you the formal name of it.

00:19:00.000 It's the select subcommittee on the weaponization of the federal government.

00:19:05.000 And our charter, we got a very broad charter that was granted to us as a result of all that hard work that Chip Roy and some of the other folks did in negotiating the speaker's race.

00:19:19.000 And one of the things that we got in the negotiations was the ability to get information on ongoing investigations.

00:19:28.000 You know, that's the hardest thing about this committee is going to be getting the federal government to turn over the documents.

00:19:35.000 A lot of it's going to be classified.

00:19:37.000 They're going to throw up all kinds of reasons.

00:19:39.000 And so their favorite reason is to say ongoing investigation, not going to comment, that they're not going to be able to do that.

00:19:47.000 Of course, they may try it.

00:19:49.000 They may take us to court to avoid releasing it.

00:19:52.000 But at least in the charter of this committee, we've stated plainly and clearly that that's on the table.

00:19:59.000 The other thing that we got in the negotiations was that if we hit up against a wall, let's say we're going down.

00:20:07.000 some trail on the FBI and it turns out there's another three-letter Intel agency involved.

00:20:15.000 We are basically a functional appendage of the Intel Committee.

00:20:20.000 So we will be able to get any level of classification, any level of classification of document that's necessary to pursue this investigation.

00:20:34.000 And then what our broad charter is, that's sort of some of the specific things that were hammered out.

00:20:39.000 When you say what is within our jurisdiction and what is not, well, anything involving the civil liberties of Americans is within our jurisdiction.

00:20:48.000 Wow.

00:20:49.000 At first, you know, at first, you would, what would first come to mind, I think, are the Twitter files and the fact that the FBI was actively engaged in colluding with a corporation to censor American speech.

00:21:04.000 But there's also privacy issues.

00:21:06.000 There are lots of civil liberties that could be infringed, and all of those are on the table.

00:21:11.000 So what is going, what is the strategy, not if, but when you guys encounter the labyrinth, the created maze of the intel agencies.

00:21:21.000 Right now, Christopher Wray and all of the criminals that are running our government are creating trapdoors and double-side mirrors and smoke screen to try to draw out the process.

00:21:33.000 Now, you said that this is going to be done in a skiff, which I'm a little torn on, I'll be honest.

00:21:40.000 Will there be a public component to this as well?

00:21:43.000 Absolutely.

00:21:44.000 We'll do our homework in the skiff.

00:21:46.000 Good.

00:21:47.000 And then when we find something that the American people need to know about, we will have public hearings.

00:21:52.000 And our charter lasts until January, two years from now.

00:21:58.000 We have the entire Congress to do this work.

00:22:01.000 We have a large budget.

00:22:02.000 The budget's the size of the January 6th committee budget.

00:22:05.000 And they spent a lot of money.

00:22:07.000 They wasted a lot of money on nothing there.

00:22:10.000 We're going to spend that same amount on real things for the American people, not about some political event that happened once or not about the third impeachment of the president.

00:22:19.000 This is about the American people.

00:22:21.000 It's not about relitigating any politicians' outcomes.

00:22:27.000 But what they did, they blazed the trail.

00:22:30.000 They went to court to get a lot of those documents, and they were dealing with a friendly administration, of course, but they set the precedent.

00:22:37.000 And now we've got that precedent to go after these documents ourselves.

00:22:42.000 And, you know, we have to issue a final report at the end, but that doesn't mean that we can't issue interim reports, make interim statements, and have hearings available to the public as we go along.

00:22:54.000 And just know, Charlie, that they're going to be the administrative state is going to be front running us, I think.

00:23:02.000 They're going to try.

00:23:04.000 You know how the FBI works.

00:23:06.000 This is not a conspiracy theory, by the way.

00:23:08.000 We know that Comey was leaking stuff to the New York Times when he was disgruntled so that he could control the narrative on Trump.

00:23:18.000 And we've seen that before.

00:23:20.000 We see leaks that aren't always attributed to somebody, but we know where they came from.

00:23:24.000 They're going to do that sort of thing.

00:23:26.000 And there may be leaks from the Democrats on this committee.

00:23:30.000 You know, they're there.

00:23:32.000 They're going to be there.

00:23:33.000 There will be five Democrats if they choose to populate them on this committee.

00:23:37.000 And I hope they do.

00:23:37.000 I hope they put serious Democrats down there.

00:23:40.000 You know, actually, I hope they put some of the most progressive members of their conference on that committee, you know, like Roe Conna or Zoe Lofgren.

00:23:50.000 These are people who I've worked across the aisle with on matters of war powers and privacy and infringement.

00:23:57.000 I love how the Democrats in the debate yesterday on the floor when we voted to establish this committee, they call it the tinfoil hat committee, the MAGA conspiracy grievance committee.

00:24:08.000 But the reality is a lot of stuff we're going to be looking at involves the same things that Democrats have co-sponsored with me in the past, like getting, make sure, making sure that if you're spying on Americans, by golly, you got a warrant and you're in compliance with the Constitution.

00:24:24.000 So we'll see how this goes if the Dems decide to just stay on the obstructionist side.

00:24:28.000 If they do, they run the risk of looking like fools when we uncover what's there. 0.97

00:24:34.000 I agree. 0.96

00:24:35.000 I have been searching for the old civil liberty Democrats.

00:24:38.000 They just all seem to be kind of Intel regime defenders now.

00:24:42.000 But it used to be the enthusiasm for checking and balancing the security state used to be a largely left-wing issue.

00:24:50.000 It was Dennis Kucinich and it was the old school Democrats.

00:24:53.000 They're just gone now, basically.

00:24:56.000 Bernie Sanders talks a good game sometimes on it, but I think a deal with the devil has been negotiated where they say, hey, you don't touch the Intel agencies and we're just going to go after Republicans.

00:25:05.000 And it's really a sad and unfortunate reality.

00:25:08.000 But do you think you could get an Elon Omo?

00:25:10.000 I mean, I don't think she should be on it because I think she's just awful.

00:25:13.000 But I mean, a Pramila Jayapal.

00:25:16.000 I mean, the only reason I say that is I think that the communists in the Democrat Party, and I use that word intentionally, I think they might be somewhat interesting members to have because they're afraid that the Intel agencies will then be pivoted against them at some point.

00:25:33.000 What are your thoughts on that?

00:25:35.000 Well, let me give you an example of a Democrat who's been a good faith actor, at least on this one issue.

00:25:41.000 He's in the Senate, unfortunately, Ron Wyden.

00:25:44.000 I believe it was Wyden's questioning that got Clapper to lie to Congress about whether broad swaths of surveillance were happening against Americans.

00:25:58.000 Clapper just lied.

00:25:59.000 He lied to Congress, lied to the American people.

00:26:01.000 And I would love to see a Democrat like Ron Wyden on this committee.

00:26:06.000 You would hope that some of the progressives would be there.

00:26:09.000 I mentioned Roe Conno because in the Twitter files, he was the one Congressman that was inside of that in those emails.

00:26:17.000 And he said, hey, this doesn't look good.

00:26:20.000 Looks like maybe violating the First Amendment.

00:26:24.000 So my hat's off to him.

00:26:26.000 I talked to Roe yesterday on the floor and I said, hey, get on this committee with us.

00:26:31.000 And it's interesting.

00:26:32.000 Back when I got my start in politics and the liberty movement was really getting popular, the complaint I always received from the left in regard to civil liberties was the well-documented campaign in the late 60s and 70s that infiltrated the Black Panthers and infiltrated the Global Communist League.

00:26:54.000 And they weren't wrong.

00:26:55.000 I mean, in some sense, it kind of became folklore in the American left where, you know, Elizabeth Warren, a lot of these people were raised in an environment where their kind of big shtick was, we could have taken over America if it wasn't for the Intel agency.

00:27:10.000 Now, I think they're a little bit grandiose and hyperbolic in the telling of their story, but it was somewhat fundamental to being a progressive in the early 2000s was, I'm a progressive and I hate the Intel agencies.

00:27:25.000 And some of that might have just been kind of, I hate George W. Bush and I don't like, but that energy just seems to have evaporated.

00:27:35.000 It's, it's evaporated.

00:27:37.000 It's suppressed.

00:27:38.000 I do think there are members on the other side who care about it, but Nancy Pelosi, now it'll be Hakeem Jeffries, gets them all to line up like poodles and do whatever the narrative is that day.

00:27:51.000 And the Republican conference has been criticized for not lining up like poodles like the Democrats do, but we're not poodles.

00:27:59.000 Okay.

00:28:00.000 So, but while we're picking on the Democrats, let me just say that the spy state against Americans, the weaponization of these federal agencies against American citizens, has also happened, I wouldn't say through acts of commission, but possibly through acts of omission from Republicans.

00:28:18.000 You know, we've been in charge of judiciary and Intel before, and these things were happening.

00:28:25.000 And the only good thing you can say about the Republican chairman and the members of those committees that were in charge when we were in the majority is that maybe it was being hidden from them.

00:28:37.000 But I think that's, Charlie, if I could get one point across on your show that I've not, I've actually not said anywhere.

00:28:45.000 That's why this is important that it's a select committee, that it's going to be populated with a few members of judiciary and at least, I believe, one member of Intel, but there will be members of the conference on here from other committees.

00:29:02.000 And we will have jurisdiction that goes across the different layers.

00:29:06.000 And I think it's important because you can't really check your own homework.

00:29:10.000 The Intel committee is populated with substantially the same staff they had before and the same on judiciary.

00:29:18.000 And Jim Jordan's got, I think, the best staff of anybody because he actually took them from oversight with him.

00:29:24.000 And when I was on oversight, I'm familiar with all his staff.

00:29:27.000 They're great.

00:29:28.000 But it's going to be great also to have new staff with a fresh set of eyeballs that haven't been on any of these committees, outside talent to come in, some of them from the executive branch who know, who have some insight in how things work over there.

00:29:42.000 It's so important.

00:29:43.000 I'm thrilled.

00:29:44.000 I'm ecstatic that you're going to have a green light to be able to check the fourth branch of government.

00:29:49.000 It's a historic opportunity, once in a generation, hasn't happened in my lifetime.

00:29:56.000 This might sound like a strange question, but I know it's on everybody's mind.

00:29:59.000 You're going to be on the committee that will oversee the most powerful institutions on the planet, the FBI, the CIA, maybe the IRS.

00:30:08.000 Are you concerned for your own safety and/or what they might try to do to blackmail you?

00:30:13.000 We know the Intel agencies have files on every lawmaker that might become disagreeable.

00:30:18.000 This is not some sort of tinfoil hat conspiracy theory.

00:30:22.000 I'm sure this has crossed your thoughts.

00:30:26.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:30:27.000 You'd be, by the way, you're not qualified to be on this committee if you don't realize that there will be an effort to discredit me.

00:30:37.000 But you know what?

00:30:39.000 Of all the people that they try to discredit, I've married my high school sweetheart.

00:30:44.000 I don't have an interesting romantic past.

00:30:51.000 We grow our own food.

00:30:53.000 We make our own power.

00:30:55.000 At the end of the day, what are they going to do to me?

00:30:59.000 I'll just go back to my farm and live out my days if they are in any way successful in ruining me.

00:31:05.000 But this is so important, it's worth it.

00:31:07.000 If I can't do it, who can?

00:31:09.000 If I can't break through this, who can't?

00:31:12.000 And that's why I'm, you know, I've been here 10 years.

00:31:15.000 It's easy to get jaded.

00:31:16.000 I'm redoubling my efforts.

00:31:18.000 I'm excited to come to work and work on this every day.

00:31:23.000 And I think that's what's going to take.

00:31:26.000 It's going to take a dogged perseverance and just sort of ignoring the detractors.

00:31:33.000 You know, the left is saying this is a tinfoil hat committee.

00:31:38.000 This is conspiracy, MAGA conspiracy committee.

00:31:42.000 But it is no conspiracy to know what has gone on.

00:31:46.000 We've seen things that have come out.

00:31:48.000 We've got facts about what has gone on.

00:31:51.000 And I know we're going to be bumping up not just against the FBI, but the other three-letter agencies and probably three-letter agencies in other countries because it's all so commingled.

00:32:03.000 And so I'm going to be a target of a lot of capable efforts.

00:32:08.000 So, Congressman, I want to play a piece of tape here.

00:32:10.000 And by the way, they are going to come after you in every way, shape, or form.

00:32:13.000 And I know you know this.

00:32:15.000 You have an ally here in this program getting information out.

00:32:19.000 Nothing scares the intel agencies and pushes back more than information.

00:32:23.000 Sunlight is the best disinfectant for these cockroaches.

00:32:26.000 Now, the Democrats are messaging this.

00:32:28.000 This is my favorite tape.

00:32:29.000 I saw this on MSNBC and I said, it's so Orwellian.

00:32:32.000 They said that overseeing the weaponization of government is abuse of power.

00:32:38.000 Overseeing the abuse of power is abuse of power.

00:32:41.000 It's just extraordinary.

00:32:42.000 Play Cut 62.

00:32:44.000 You heard from Jim Jordan and other Republicans yesterday about this new effort to investigate what they deem the weaponization of the federal government.

00:32:52.000 What is your assessment of that and what concerns you have?

00:32:57.000 John, it's an outrageous abuse of power.

00:33:00.000 Never before has Congress put in a resolution that it has the authority to investigate ongoing criminal investigations.

00:33:09.000 The purpose of it is to interfere with ongoing investigations.

00:33:14.000 And that's why I've called it the Republican Committee to Obstruct Justice.

00:33:18.000 Congressman Massey, your thoughts?

00:33:20.000 Well, we debated this on the floor of the House yesterday, and I went down there without a speech written because I knew I would get enough things to talk about, just rebutting all the falsehoods they said.

00:33:33.000 Let me start with one of the big lies he said there.

00:33:36.000 He said we shouldn't be investigating anything that overlaps with an ongoing investigation.

00:33:42.000 Hold on a second.

00:33:43.000 What was the January 6th committee?

00:33:45.000 The whole committee was an ongoing investigation.

00:33:48.000 It was, they overlapped with hundreds of ongoing investigations.

00:33:54.000 Or how about the 9-11 report?

00:33:56.000 That wasn't an ongoing investigation?

00:33:58.000 Or the Warren Commission?

00:34:01.000 Or Watergate.

00:34:02.000 Yes.

00:34:03.000 There were ongoing investigations then as well.

00:34:06.000 I ran Contra.

00:34:07.000 There were ongoing criminal investigations as Congress was looking into it.

00:34:11.000 There's so many precedents for this that they've flipped their lid.

00:34:16.000 Now, one of the reasons that I heard that they shouldn't be investigated from Adam Schiff, the guy who was in charge of keeping them in their constitutional bounds and failed to do his job, at least with some of the three-letter agencies, that Nadler was responsible for FBI, but Schiff was responsible for the rest of them.

00:34:34.000 The reason he gave for not having this committee is that if we form this committee and start looking into what they're doing, they'll be reluctant to share information with us that we need to draft legislation.

00:34:48.000 And I got up and said on the floor debate, that is evidence that we need to create this committee.

00:34:54.000 If anybody in any of those organizations who is reluctant to submit to Congress's oversight authority should be summarily dismissed and fired from that job because they don't understand that they were created by Congress and they're funded by Congress.

00:35:12.000 They don't want that to be true.

00:35:14.000 Congressman Massey, we are behind you.

00:35:15.000 I can't wait to see what you discover.

00:35:17.000 God bless you.

00:35:20.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:21.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:25.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.

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