00:00:00.000Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Mike Lindell joins us to make the case for why he should run the RNC.
00:00:05.000And then Thomas Massey, one of the most honest and courageous members of Congress, talks about how he is going to let the dogs loose against the Intel agencies.
00:00:15.000And I ask him bluntly, is he worried about his safety?
00:00:18.000And his answer should send chills down the spine.
00:00:53.000He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:59.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:46.000Well, it's like a big business, and I'm very good at running businesses and business with adversity.
00:01:52.000I have over 2,000 employees and we've made it through some of the biggest adversity you could imagine.
00:01:58.000And the RNC has not changed what they do based on their current footprint.
00:02:04.000And I've checked, I've really investigated a lot of it now, but let's just take the big donors that don't, and the micro donors, they don't trust the RNC anymore.
00:02:13.000We've had five losses in a row and five apps I give Rana in a row.
00:02:19.000And when you take almost 40% of the money that comes from a donor and you're going to fundraising, the fundraiser and going to the person that runs the project in a particular state, that's like being a middleman.
00:03:06.000But there's also 30 some other email platforms.
00:03:09.000They all need to be looked at to make their all working efficiently.
00:03:14.000And then I would, the first thing I would do too is set up an information hub like I have with my own cause of America, dealing with all 50 states on a weekly basis.
00:04:12.000I mean, not just the RNC, but you've given, I would say, $10 plus million dollars to the effort of good and noble cause the last couple of years.
00:04:42.000And Charlie, you bring up the biggest point there where I'm the person for the job is if the RNC, one of the biggest problems is why did you have this when you should have had the biggest red wave in history, when Donald Trump should have overwhelmingly won, which he did.
00:04:59.000But when you have all the platforms broken, when I say, you know, you need to have paper ballots hand counted, you need to fix the voter rolls, fix mail-in voting, all of these things.
00:05:10.000Charlie, I've been working on this for two years.
00:05:13.000I'm two years ahead of anybody on this.
00:05:17.000We have over 200 counties that have committed to going to paper.
00:05:20.000But with those platforms, that manifestation of all the work of myself and others over the next two years is going to, you're going to see the fruits of that.
00:05:29.000But so that part, I don't even have, because people say, well, Mike, we want you to continue going on that.
00:06:05.000I mean, because these numbers sometimes, for someone who really has not that kind of experience of running big operations, you know, because for example, the financials came out and they're spending 700 grand on flowers and all that.
00:06:18.000Now, they said that's a small percentage, but Mike, you running a big business know that it's the margins that make success.
00:06:43.000You want to make that part the best it can be.
00:06:46.000And you're not only in the RNC right now, you're not just getting no return on your investment, but you're the money you are putting in, you better make, you better maximize that and look at each part.
00:06:58.000You can't just say, oh, let's just collect more money because we're spending 40% on overhead.
00:08:04.000Out of 2,000 employees, 500 have my direct number.
00:08:06.000They will call me if there's a deviation, so we have communication.
00:08:10.000But if I'm not hearing from them, I know that everything's running perfect.
00:08:13.000Now, when I say that, is if you got all these states and territories, if you have a success or a deviation, hey, we had something really good happen here.
00:08:23.000I want to know about it immediately so that I can reach out to everyone else and duplicate that.
00:09:03.000I've been to all 50 states except for two in the last year alone.
00:09:07.000And that's including Hawaii and Alaska.
00:09:11.000So I take, I've been, I've been at the grassroots Charlie dealing from the grassroots all the way up to meeting with all the attorney generals and all the politicians, but mostly you're down at the precinct level.
00:09:22.000And this is, and then up through the RNC.
00:09:24.000And like you said, I've been an El Partsman.
00:10:17.000I bring instant trust because I know I can fix it.
00:10:20.000Charlie, I did my due diligence and seen what was broken and seen what needs to be fixed before I even put my hat in there and knowing that I could do the job.
00:11:46.000So, Mike, a concern that one of our listeners has emailed us that I think is important to navigate is they're worried that you and Harmit are going to split the America first vote.
00:11:57.000Now, I don't know how big of a deal that is because a vote not for Rana actually just lowers the threshold for Rana.
00:12:04.000It's actually the opposite of what they're saying.
00:12:08.000It's very important that we both are in this race because when you get to California and when they vote on the 27th, you have to have 85 of the 168.
00:12:21.000So, and I believe that there are people, as I've been talking to members and they're saying, I'm voting for you, Mike.
00:12:28.000They believe in me, everything I've done.
00:12:30.000And Harmeet's getting the same thing, and she's talking to them all.
00:12:34.000And so let's just, between the two of us, we need to keep, if you keep Rana under 85 on the first vote, remember, this doesn't, now you just go into the next vote.
00:12:47.000The bottom person does not get taken off, Charlie.
00:12:50.000So the vote, you just keep giving votes and votes, but I believe back with Ryan Spriebus, it took seven votes.
00:12:55.000Now, if Harmee, I mean, if Rana is under 85, which I believe she's sitting now around 70, 75, that's what I'm, you know, by my best estimations.
00:13:06.000And also, I want to tell everyone, there's no machines in this vote, everybody.
00:13:17.000They're out there that, you know, they might say just like they do with their president.
00:13:20.000You might have some going, I'm not going to vote for Mike Lindell.
00:13:23.000Or you might have some say, I'm voting for Rana, but they're really not voting for Rana because no one's going to know when that secret vote ballot goes in.
00:13:34.000Let's say, which it will, it'll go to the second, it goes into the second vote now.
00:13:39.000I don't, once you've left the Rana bucket, you're not going back in that bucket because now, because now we're there, both Harmeet and I have great change that we bring to the RNC because the RANA, you can't have the same input and get the same output.
00:13:59.000I want to tell you right thing right now, this is something that if I was head of the RNC right now, and I'm not, but I'm the one getting the word out, there is something so terrible that could happen this Saturday to not just the state of South Dakota, but the RNC in general and our whole country.
00:14:18.000And this is this, that we put in over the last two years, people at the precinct level, Charlie, and at the precinct level, all over the country.
00:14:29.000And in South Dakota, it was hundreds more that have been sat empty for decades at the precinct committee level.
00:14:35.000Now, last June, they were put into power.
00:14:43.000They actually voted out a very bad Secretary of State and voted in a very good one.
00:14:48.000And so then these, then they also vote on all the rest of the GOP throughout the state of South Dakota.
00:14:56.000Well, that vote would be coming up in February.
00:14:58.000So what the GOP did in South Dakota, they're having a special meeting this Saturday.
00:15:05.000Everybody get ready for this to vote on to get rid of the precinct strategy or the precinct committee people's votes.
00:15:14.000In other words, they're going to vote them out that they could never vote again in the history of South Dakota.
00:15:20.000And so you basically, if that sets a precedent for this country, every precinct person in the country would lose their, that's our foundation of the RNC.
00:16:05.000Ronna McDaniel should be all over the news and all over everything right now and saying, hey, we can't have this or the Republican Party's destroyed from the grassroots.
00:16:16.000And I did talk, I actually talked to Harmit about this too.
00:16:21.000We talked on Sunday about this because I said, what would you do if you were in?
00:17:13.000The end of the year is right around the corner, and it's time for you to consider a change in your investment plan.
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00:18:34.000And he's going to really go after the Intel agencies.
00:18:38.000It's Thomas Massey, who's just terrific from Kentucky.
00:18:42.000Congressman Massey, welcome to the program.
00:18:44.000Hey, thanks for having me on, Charlie.
00:18:46.000So, Congressman Massey, explain to us what is this new committee and what is the goal of the new church and pike committee that has now been launched.
00:18:58.000Yeah, I'll give you the formal name of it.
00:19:00.000It's the select subcommittee on the weaponization of the federal government.
00:19:05.000And our charter, we got a very broad charter that was granted to us as a result of all that hard work that Chip Roy and some of the other folks did in negotiating the speaker's race.
00:19:19.000And one of the things that we got in the negotiations was the ability to get information on ongoing investigations.
00:19:28.000You know, that's the hardest thing about this committee is going to be getting the federal government to turn over the documents.
00:19:49.000They may take us to court to avoid releasing it.
00:19:52.000But at least in the charter of this committee, we've stated plainly and clearly that that's on the table.
00:19:59.000The other thing that we got in the negotiations was that if we hit up against a wall, let's say we're going down.
00:20:07.000some trail on the FBI and it turns out there's another three-letter Intel agency involved.
00:20:15.000We are basically a functional appendage of the Intel Committee.
00:20:20.000So we will be able to get any level of classification, any level of classification of document that's necessary to pursue this investigation.
00:20:34.000And then what our broad charter is, that's sort of some of the specific things that were hammered out.
00:20:39.000When you say what is within our jurisdiction and what is not, well, anything involving the civil liberties of Americans is within our jurisdiction.
00:20:49.000At first, you know, at first, you would, what would first come to mind, I think, are the Twitter files and the fact that the FBI was actively engaged in colluding with a corporation to censor American speech.
00:21:06.000There are lots of civil liberties that could be infringed, and all of those are on the table.
00:21:11.000So what is going, what is the strategy, not if, but when you guys encounter the labyrinth, the created maze of the intel agencies.
00:21:21.000Right now, Christopher Wray and all of the criminals that are running our government are creating trapdoors and double-side mirrors and smoke screen to try to draw out the process.
00:21:33.000Now, you said that this is going to be done in a skiff, which I'm a little torn on, I'll be honest.
00:21:40.000Will there be a public component to this as well?
00:22:07.000They wasted a lot of money on nothing there.
00:22:10.000We're going to spend that same amount on real things for the American people, not about some political event that happened once or not about the third impeachment of the president.
00:22:21.000It's not about relitigating any politicians' outcomes.
00:22:27.000But what they did, they blazed the trail.
00:22:30.000They went to court to get a lot of those documents, and they were dealing with a friendly administration, of course, but they set the precedent.
00:22:37.000And now we've got that precedent to go after these documents ourselves.
00:22:42.000And, you know, we have to issue a final report at the end, but that doesn't mean that we can't issue interim reports, make interim statements, and have hearings available to the public as we go along.
00:22:54.000And just know, Charlie, that they're going to be the administrative state is going to be front running us, I think.
00:23:37.000I hope they put serious Democrats down there.
00:23:40.000You know, actually, I hope they put some of the most progressive members of their conference on that committee, you know, like Roe Conna or Zoe Lofgren.
00:23:50.000These are people who I've worked across the aisle with on matters of war powers and privacy and infringement.
00:23:57.000I love how the Democrats in the debate yesterday on the floor when we voted to establish this committee, they call it the tinfoil hat committee, the MAGA conspiracy grievance committee.
00:24:08.000But the reality is a lot of stuff we're going to be looking at involves the same things that Democrats have co-sponsored with me in the past, like getting, make sure, making sure that if you're spying on Americans, by golly, you got a warrant and you're in compliance with the Constitution.
00:24:24.000So we'll see how this goes if the Dems decide to just stay on the obstructionist side.
00:24:28.000If they do, they run the risk of looking like fools when we uncover what's there.
00:24:56.000Bernie Sanders talks a good game sometimes on it, but I think a deal with the devil has been negotiated where they say, hey, you don't touch the Intel agencies and we're just going to go after Republicans.
00:25:05.000And it's really a sad and unfortunate reality.
00:25:08.000But do you think you could get an Elon Omo?
00:25:10.000I mean, I don't think she should be on it because I think she's just awful.
00:25:16.000I mean, the only reason I say that is I think that the communists in the Democrat Party, and I use that word intentionally, I think they might be somewhat interesting members to have because they're afraid that the Intel agencies will then be pivoted against them at some point.
00:25:35.000Well, let me give you an example of a Democrat who's been a good faith actor, at least on this one issue.
00:25:41.000He's in the Senate, unfortunately, Ron Wyden.
00:25:44.000I believe it was Wyden's questioning that got Clapper to lie to Congress about whether broad swaths of surveillance were happening against Americans.
00:26:32.000Back when I got my start in politics and the liberty movement was really getting popular, the complaint I always received from the left in regard to civil liberties was the well-documented campaign in the late 60s and 70s that infiltrated the Black Panthers and infiltrated the Global Communist League.
00:26:55.000I mean, in some sense, it kind of became folklore in the American left where, you know, Elizabeth Warren, a lot of these people were raised in an environment where their kind of big shtick was, we could have taken over America if it wasn't for the Intel agency.
00:27:10.000Now, I think they're a little bit grandiose and hyperbolic in the telling of their story, but it was somewhat fundamental to being a progressive in the early 2000s was, I'm a progressive and I hate the Intel agencies.
00:27:25.000And some of that might have just been kind of, I hate George W. Bush and I don't like, but that energy just seems to have evaporated.
00:27:38.000I do think there are members on the other side who care about it, but Nancy Pelosi, now it'll be Hakeem Jeffries, gets them all to line up like poodles and do whatever the narrative is that day.
00:27:51.000And the Republican conference has been criticized for not lining up like poodles like the Democrats do, but we're not poodles.
00:28:00.000So, but while we're picking on the Democrats, let me just say that the spy state against Americans, the weaponization of these federal agencies against American citizens, has also happened, I wouldn't say through acts of commission, but possibly through acts of omission from Republicans.
00:28:18.000You know, we've been in charge of judiciary and Intel before, and these things were happening.
00:28:25.000And the only good thing you can say about the Republican chairman and the members of those committees that were in charge when we were in the majority is that maybe it was being hidden from them.
00:28:37.000But I think that's, Charlie, if I could get one point across on your show that I've not, I've actually not said anywhere.
00:28:45.000That's why this is important that it's a select committee, that it's going to be populated with a few members of judiciary and at least, I believe, one member of Intel, but there will be members of the conference on here from other committees.
00:29:02.000And we will have jurisdiction that goes across the different layers.
00:29:06.000And I think it's important because you can't really check your own homework.
00:29:10.000The Intel committee is populated with substantially the same staff they had before and the same on judiciary.
00:29:18.000And Jim Jordan's got, I think, the best staff of anybody because he actually took them from oversight with him.
00:29:24.000And when I was on oversight, I'm familiar with all his staff.
00:29:28.000But it's going to be great also to have new staff with a fresh set of eyeballs that haven't been on any of these committees, outside talent to come in, some of them from the executive branch who know, who have some insight in how things work over there.
00:31:48.000We've got facts about what has gone on.
00:31:51.000And I know we're going to be bumping up not just against the FBI, but the other three-letter agencies and probably three-letter agencies in other countries because it's all so commingled.
00:32:03.000And so I'm going to be a target of a lot of capable efforts.
00:32:08.000So, Congressman, I want to play a piece of tape here.
00:32:10.000And by the way, they are going to come after you in every way, shape, or form.
00:32:44.000You heard from Jim Jordan and other Republicans yesterday about this new effort to investigate what they deem the weaponization of the federal government.
00:32:52.000What is your assessment of that and what concerns you have?
00:32:57.000John, it's an outrageous abuse of power.
00:33:00.000Never before has Congress put in a resolution that it has the authority to investigate ongoing criminal investigations.
00:33:09.000The purpose of it is to interfere with ongoing investigations.
00:33:14.000And that's why I've called it the Republican Committee to Obstruct Justice.
00:33:20.000Well, we debated this on the floor of the House yesterday, and I went down there without a speech written because I knew I would get enough things to talk about, just rebutting all the falsehoods they said.
00:33:33.000Let me start with one of the big lies he said there.
00:33:36.000He said we shouldn't be investigating anything that overlaps with an ongoing investigation.
00:34:07.000There were ongoing criminal investigations as Congress was looking into it.
00:34:11.000There's so many precedents for this that they've flipped their lid.
00:34:16.000Now, one of the reasons that I heard that they shouldn't be investigated from Adam Schiff, the guy who was in charge of keeping them in their constitutional bounds and failed to do his job, at least with some of the three-letter agencies, that Nadler was responsible for FBI, but Schiff was responsible for the rest of them.
00:34:34.000The reason he gave for not having this committee is that if we form this committee and start looking into what they're doing, they'll be reluctant to share information with us that we need to draft legislation.
00:34:48.000And I got up and said on the floor debate, that is evidence that we need to create this committee.
00:34:54.000If anybody in any of those organizations who is reluctant to submit to Congress's oversight authority should be summarily dismissed and fired from that job because they don't understand that they were created by Congress and they're funded by Congress.