The Charlie Kirk Show - A Parent's Guide For Escaping the Trans Delusion

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00:01:59.000 Hello, everybody.

00:02:00.000 How are we doing?

00:02:01.000 All right.

00:02:02.000 So I am not going to speak for long here.

00:02:04.000 We have a very special guest.

00:02:06.000 Please take a seat, everybody.

00:02:07.000 And I was in Nebraska yesterday.

00:02:09.000 I want to be covering my Nebraska stuff lately.

00:02:12.000 There's been a lot going on there.

00:02:13.000 I'll tell you that story later once it's completed.

00:02:17.000 But I have been going to college campuses, as you know, for 11 years and following, especially the last couple of years, this trans movement.

00:02:27.000 And we were told that, you know, it's just for adults, not a big deal.

00:02:32.000 And now we see the reality that it is institutionalized in our schools, in our medical practice.

00:02:38.000 We see families now being bombarded with this idea that all of a sudden your son is your daughter and your daughter is your son.

00:02:48.000 And it is here in local schools.

00:02:50.000 It is in Scottsdale Unified School District.

00:02:53.000 It is in the local Phoenix schools.

00:02:55.000 And when one of these topics comes up, especially one that is pushed so aggressively and ferociously, I want to make sure that I can learn from the best possible people out there.

00:03:05.000 And this is a topic that impacts so many different things.

00:03:09.000 It impacts children.

00:03:10.000 It impacts the family.

00:03:12.000 It impacts freedom of speech.

00:03:14.000 It impacts the bond that you have between your child.

00:03:17.000 It impacts whether or not we are going to defend children from the predators that are going after them to try and castrate them.

00:03:25.000 And there is one individual that I came across.

00:03:27.000 She came on my show, and I told our team, I said, she's spectacular.

00:03:32.000 And she's different because unlike a lot of these wacky people that go on TV that talk about the trans issue, she's actually a doctor, not like a Jill Biden doctor, like actually a doctor.

00:03:46.000 And she's a child psychiatrist who's been in the room.

00:03:51.000 When a 14-year-old says, I'm a boy now, when a family comes in panic and says, we've been to three different specialists and they say my son has to now go on hormone blockers, cross-sex hormones, and potentially go for surgery.

00:04:06.000 And she is a person of courage, of incredible clarity.

00:04:11.000 Her book, Lost in Transnation, that's why I have my hands full here.

00:04:13.000 So I want to make sure I promote the book, is I'm almost done with it. 0.99

00:04:18.000 It is the prominent book, the premier book, where you, if you want to get the download of exactly how sinister and evil it is, this is the book.

00:04:27.000 And I'm just thrilled that she's here tonight.

00:04:29.000 We're going to dialogue for quite some time.

00:04:31.000 I don't know if we're going to have time to get to questions because there's so much to cover.

00:04:35.000 And this will motivate you for next year.

00:04:38.000 I have a mission. 0.99

00:04:39.000 I want you guys to help join us in this mission: that we have to shut down every gender-affirming care clinic in Arizona, and we've got to get them all shut down. 0.98

00:04:48.000 And you will be motivated to do that. 0.99

00:04:49.000 Get on your feet and join me in welcoming Dr. Miriam Grossman.

00:05:11.000 Dr. Grossman, welcome to Arizona.

00:05:14.000 I'm thrilled to be here.

00:05:16.000 Absolutely thrilled.

00:05:18.000 And I want to just reiterate: Dr. Grossman is a woman of courage.

00:05:23.000 So many doctors are staying silent during this just hideous moment where they're afraid of the backlash.

00:05:32.000 Dr. Grossman has spoken out.

00:05:34.000 She is leading the charge.

00:05:35.000 So, Dr. Grossman, I want to get right into it.

00:05:38.000 How did we get here?

00:05:39.000 In your book, Lost in Transnation, you dedicate an entire chapter to an individual by the name of John Money.

00:05:46.000 Educate our audience on who this person was.

00:05:50.000 Well, I'm certainly going to do that.

00:05:53.000 I want to just show one slide because I want to start at the very beginning.

00:06:01.000 The beginning, okay?

00:06:03.000 Sex is not assigned at birth.

00:06:08.000 Sex is established at conception.

00:06:18.000 The moment that the egg and the sperm unite, you have a new life.

00:06:24.000 That life is either male or female.

00:06:26.000 Those are the two choices, male or female. 0.96

00:06:30.000 That is permanent, that is never going to change. 0.96

00:06:35.000 So that is the beginning of everything.

00:06:38.000 And that's what I always want people to keep in mind as they're listening to this whole, how should I call it, a very dark chapter in medicine.

00:06:49.000 A very dark chapter.

00:06:51.000 So how it started, John Money.

00:06:55.000 John Money was a psychologist from New Zealand.

00:07:00.000 His interest was hermaphrodites.

00:07:03.000 Hermaphrodites is the old term that was used for very, very rare individuals that at the time they're born, they have ambiguous genitalia, and it's impossible to say for sure if they are male or female.

00:07:21.000 So they used to be called hermaphrodites.

00:07:24.000 They're now called intersex.

00:07:27.000 Still extremely, extremely rare.

00:07:31.000 Dr. Money became interested in these babies and how they should be raised.

00:07:38.000 Because when a child is born, back then, no ultrasounds, obviously, it was really at birth then, that one of these kids was born, and the doctors didn't know if it was a boy or a girl for sure.

00:07:53.000 It was a medical emergency, and it was a family crisis.

00:07:57.000 What do you tell the family?

00:07:59.000 What's the family going to tell the other kids, the grandparents, the whole world?

00:08:04.000 So, Dr. Money became a specialist in this area.

00:08:08.000 Now, he came up with a theory.

00:08:12.000 John Money's theory is that everyone is born neutral. 0.56

00:08:18.000 He called it gender neutral.

00:08:21.000 And he used the word gender for the very first time to apply to humans.

00:08:28.000 Because before that, gender was a grammatical term that was used, you know, in French and Spanish, right, in many languages, nouns are either feminine or masculine.

00:08:43.000 And that's how the word gender was originally used.

00:08:47.000 John Money came along, he took that word and he applied it to humans.

00:08:53.000 And he said that gender is how a person feels about whether they are male or female, as opposed to their biology.

00:09:04.000 Two separate things.

00:09:06.000 It was his brainchild, his idea, and he had good reason to come up with that theory, as you've read.

00:09:14.000 Yes, and Dr. Grossman, let's go deeper into this.

00:09:17.000 He started kind of on the fringes, but then became celebrated and was funded by our government for 25 years.

00:09:26.000 Correct.

00:09:26.000 And his theory was then put to the test in a horrific, now very public example, what was called the Money Twin Experiment.

00:09:38.000 Correct.

00:09:38.000 Tell us about this.

00:09:40.000 Okay, so he proposed that we are all born gender neutral, and that meant that a boy had the potential of living his life as a girl, and vice versa, all depending on the first three years of life how they would be influenced by their environment.

00:10:01.000 So it was 100% he proposed.

00:10:05.000 It was, none of it was biology.

00:10:08.000 It was all environment.

00:10:10.000 It was a social construction.

00:10:12.000 So that typically masculine traits like, you know, preferring rough and tumble play and, I don't know, trucks and, you know, girls liking makeup and dolls.

00:10:26.000 And he said that's all a social construction.

00:10:30.000 It was all put on this neutral infant when he or she was born.

00:10:36.000 So that was his theory.

00:10:38.000 Now, there's not much really that he could do with it because how do you prove something like that?

00:10:46.000 But he was a very eminent, respected psychologist at Johns Hopkins, and he opened a clinic for these kids who were ambiguous, their genitalia was ambiguous, and he ran the team that would endocrinologists and surgeons decide how to help these kids.

00:11:09.000 What happened is that a family appeared in his office one day, a family by the name of Reimer, and they came from Winnipeg, Canada, a blue-collar family, young 20, 21 years old with parents.

00:11:27.000 And they had gone through a terrible tragedy in which they gave birth to twin boys.

00:11:34.000 They were completely healthy. 0.83

00:11:36.000 They took the kids to be circumcised at eight months, and the first boy that they brought in for the circumcision, the equipment had a malfunction, and the penis was burnt off. 0.98

00:11:52.000 The boy's penis was burnt off at the age of eight months. 0.90

00:11:57.000 The other boy, his twin, did not go through the procedure, obviously. 0.99

00:12:02.000 They went home.

00:12:03.000 They were devastated.

00:12:06.000 What are we going to do with this child?

00:12:08.000 How are we going to raise him?

00:12:10.000 How will he ever have a normal life?

00:12:12.000 And they got various advice, but in general, no one really was sure about what to tell them.

00:12:19.000 They, one day, were watching television, this was in the 60s, and they see John Money on there, Professor John Money, speaking, sophisticated, you know, well-spoken, sounds completely reliable, a medical authority.

00:12:40.000 And he says that a boy can be successfully raised as a girl as long as the process starts early enough.

00:12:51.000 They thought, God sent us Dr. Money.

00:12:56.000 And they immediately arranged to take their twins down to Baltimore and go to Johns Hopkins and see Dr. Money.

00:13:06.000 They thought that he was the answer to their prayers.

00:13:11.000 The truth was that they were the answer to his prayers because he was looking to, he was looking for fame, he was looking for recognition, and he wanted to prove his gender theory was correct.

00:13:27.000 And look who shows up on his doorstep. 0.58

00:13:29.000 The perfect, the perfect sample.

00:13:34.000 These identical twins raised in the same environment, but one, he was going to advise the parents, to raise the one who went through the accident as a girl.

00:13:47.000 And therefore, he had the potential here, John Money, of finding a proof of concept, let's call it, of his theory that a girl, a boy, now these are normal boys.

00:14:01.000 These are not kids who are hermaphrodites or intersex or anything.

00:14:05.000 These were normal boys. 0.98

00:14:08.000 But he was saying that the boy with no penis can be successfully raised as a girl. 1.00

00:14:14.000 He told the parents that the boy should be castrated. 0.99

00:14:19.000 So, in other words, the penis had been obliterated during the circumcision, but the boy still had testicles. 1.00

00:14:27.000 John Money said, we have to remove the testicles. 0.99

00:14:30.000 That's castration. 0.99

00:14:32.000 We have to do a preliminary surgery so that this child will look a little bit like a girl in terms of genitalia. 1.00

00:14:40.000 You're going to change his name from Bruce to Brenda.

00:14:45.000 Well, they picked the name Brenda.

00:14:46.000 That wasn't Dr. Money.

00:14:48.000 You're going to dress Brenda in pink outfits with frilly frills and raise her as a girl alongside her twin brother. 0.87

00:15:01.000 And so they did.

00:15:03.000 They did exactly what Dr. Money told them to.

00:15:07.000 And they said years later, the mom was interviewed on Oprah, I think it was, in the 90s.

00:15:17.000 And she said, we looked at John Money like he was God.

00:15:22.000 And so of course we did whatever he told us to do.

00:15:26.000 Now what happened is a long story.

00:15:29.000 It's a book in and of itself.

00:15:30.000 We'd be here all day talking about it.

00:15:33.000 I'll just shorten this by saying that John Money began to report this experiment as a great success when the twins were about six years old.

00:15:44.000 And he went out publicly, he wrote papers, he gave speeches, it was reported in the lay press as well, not just the professional associations, and he claimed that this girl, Brenda, was thriving.

00:15:58.000 She felt like a girl.

00:16:00.000 She was doing great in school with friends.

00:16:03.000 She was a bit of a tomboy, but she was thriving as a girl.

00:16:09.000 And he continued to report this experiment as a success year after year.

00:16:15.000 And every year, the parents, the Rhymer parents, would bring the twins down to Dr. Money for a checkup and then go home and continue. 0.88

00:16:26.000 Well, P.S.

00:16:28.000 It was not at all a big success.

00:16:31.000 Brenda was absolutely miserable.

00:16:35.000 Brenda was so masculine in terms of, and I'll say her, I don't know what pronoun to use, but in terms of Brenda's interests and what she preferred, the toys and the activities and what she wanted, the outfits that she wanted to wear.

00:16:59.000 She took her twin brother's toys.

00:17:02.000 She was aggressive.

00:17:04.000 She got into fights.

00:17:07.000 She didn't have any friends, but the kids at school called her Cave Woman because her mannerisms and the way that she walked were so masculine. 0.96

00:17:19.000 She suffered terribly.

00:17:22.000 And when time came for her to enter puberty, John Money arranged for her to be put on estrogen so that she would begin to grow breasts. 0.99

00:17:38.000 And he tried to convince her, he worked very hard at convincing her to have surgery so that she would have a faux vagina. 0.98

00:17:46.000 And that's where she put her foot down. 0.99

00:17:49.000 And she ran out of John Money's office to never return.

00:17:55.000 She was so miserable that she became suicidal.

00:17:59.000 And her psychiatrist at the time told her parents that they must tell her the truth.

00:18:05.000 They must tell both twins the truth.

00:18:08.000 And they did.

00:18:09.000 They sat them down.

00:18:11.000 Each parent took a different twin and they took them out and explained to them what had happened.

00:18:18.000 And Brenda, how did she feel at that moment when she found out she had been born a boy?

00:18:24.000 She described later on that she felt overwhelming relief.

00:18:31.000 Otherwise, she said she felt like she was going crazy.

00:18:36.000 She knew she wasn't a girl.

00:18:40.000 And so she felt incredible relief to learn about what had happened.

00:18:44.000 And of course, she was devastated as well.

00:18:47.000 But she was relieved and she immediately picked a new name.

00:18:52.000 She didn't go back to Bruce.

00:18:54.000 She picked the name David.

00:18:56.000 Do you remember that?

00:18:58.000 Why the name David?

00:19:00.000 Because she said, he said, all my life, I feel like I've been fighting this giant like David fought Goliath.

00:19:19.000 So he returned to David.

00:19:24.000 He obviously stopped the estrogen.

00:19:27.000 He had a number of surgeries on his genitals, and he lived as a boy and a young man.

00:19:36.000 He ended up getting married.

00:19:40.000 He adopted his wife's three children, and it did sound for a while as if this was going to have a happy ending.

00:19:48.000 However, these boys were so damaged, apart from the fact that they were used for this experiment, Every time they went down to see John Money, he was sexually abusing them. 0.98

00:20:03.000 Okay, he was a monster. 0.99

00:20:05.000 John Money was a wicked man. 0.99

00:20:09.000 And I want to just interject for a second.

00:20:12.000 John Money is considered to be a hero in every one of your taxpayer-funded universities. 1.00

00:20:18.000 He is the godfather of this entire transgender craze. 0.99

00:20:23.000 And I want, that story is so important for you to know because we are living through a consecutive multi-decade lie where even he was not able to prove his hypothesis with the perfect set. 1.00

00:20:37.000 In fact, he ran away from this.

00:20:38.000 It was debunked.

00:20:40.000 And so everything we're living through right now is a byproduct of this one individual that needs to become a household name, where the idea of gender came from him, the concept of transgender. 0.97

00:20:52.000 And he was, as you say, a monster and vile, didn't care about the truth, didn't care about children. 0.95

00:20:59.000 And then Dr. Grossman talked about how, because he was so, quote, well-respected, he started a cottage industry of gender and transgender care that has now completely gone out of control. 0.90

00:21:12.000 So I want to explain two things.

00:21:14.000 You see, David didn't become, didn't go public with his story for like 20, 25 years.

00:21:25.000 That's very important.

00:21:25.000 That's important.

00:21:27.000 Because during all those years, and you know what?

00:21:30.000 His mom wrote to John Money when David was 14 and they told him that he was a boy and he immediately switched to being David.

00:21:40.000 His mother wrote a letter.

00:21:43.000 This is in the 70s, 70s, maybe the early 80s.

00:21:50.000 And she wrote him a letter to John Money telling him that this had happened, that his experiment was not a success.

00:21:57.000 His experiment was a failure.

00:22:01.000 He continued to report the experiment a huge success.

00:22:06.000 And so what happened is that in all these fields of medicine and social sciences, psychology, sociology, you know, you name it, his idea that there was this thing called gender, which was completely separate from biology, it became canonized, let's say.

00:22:32.000 It became, everyone accepted it as truth.

00:22:35.000 As dogma.

00:22:36.000 As dogma.

00:22:38.000 And so it kind of evolved over the years and it entered into feminism and there was into the universities, into our sex education, which is where I discovered it. 0.91

00:22:54.000 And it's basically why we are where we are right now.

00:22:59.000 Now, another thing that I want to explain about John Money is that he had his own reasons for coming up with this theory that gender is separate from sex.

00:23:11.000 His reason is because he himself was very uncomfortable with being a man.

00:23:19.000 He had grown up in a farm in New Zealand, and his father was a raging, abusive alcoholic who used to beat him and beat his mother.

00:23:32.000 John Money was a small, delicate boy, obviously very unlike his father.

00:23:42.000 And in his child's mind, which is what children do, they think, well, if that's a man, I don't want to be a man.

00:23:52.000 I want to be like my gentle mom and my aunt, who was also living in the same household. 0.72

00:24:00.000 I don't want to be like this monster alcoholic father who kills animals, shoots birds in the garden, beats up his mother, beat up him.

00:24:11.000 So John Money was very honest about it. 0.98

00:24:13.000 He wrote in one of his books that he feels that his manhood, his male physicality, is vile. 0.97

00:24:23.000 So these days, we would call that gender dysphoria. 0.66

00:24:26.000 And so then, Dr. Grossman, talk then about how you came in contact with this and how now the entire scientific and medical community has been captured by this. 0.64

00:24:36.000 This started as a social, this started as a contagion that John Money launched, and it is now at Phoenix Children's Hospital.

00:24:44.000 It is now at Mayo Clinic.

00:24:46.000 It is now at the American Medical Association, the American Association of Pediatrics.

00:24:52.000 It is now the standard care.

00:24:53.000 And I want to hope, I just want to make this set in.

00:24:56.000 If you go to a run-of-the-mill pediatrician here in Phoenix and your child says, as a daughter, I am now a boy or I am now a girl or vice versa, the standard care, thanks to John Money's original sin, is not watchful waiting, and we'll get into all of that, but it's medication, cross-sex hormones, testosterone, estrogen, and eventually surgery.

00:25:21.000 So Dr. Grossman, talk about how you came across this and how captured our medical institutions have become.

00:25:27.000 Okay, so I came across all this in 2008 when I was studying sex education, because I was a psychiatrist at UCLA and my patients there were UCLA students, and so many kids had an STD that I just couldn't.

00:25:46.000 I couldn't understand what, especially the young women.

00:25:51.000 I wanted to see what are kids being told about preserving their sexual health?

00:25:57.000 So I started digging into what kids are told by Planned Parenthood and other organizations that get millions and millions of our tax dollars in order to create these curricula and lo and behold, I mean I discovered a lot about that, and that was that was another book that I wrote, but one of the things I discovered is this thing about gender and that kids were being told in a matter-of-fact way,

00:26:25.000 not that this is a theory and that, you know maybe, maybe not.

00:26:30.000 No, it's always presented with incredibly arrogant certainty, authority and these and it's simply not true.

00:26:40.000 So what, what kids?

00:26:42.000 What I discovered in 2008 that kids were being told is this idea of gender being separate from one's physical body, and it's just.

00:26:52.000 You know, there are people, it's a normal variant when individuals do not feel comfortable with their sex, and when that happens, then their bodies have to be brought into alignment with their feelings and I just thought what the heck We are telling kids that.

00:27:17.000 Kids who need stability in terms of their identity.

00:27:22.000 Kids who need to hear the truth about biology and about development.

00:27:29.000 What is this?

00:27:31.000 And that's how I slowly got into it.

00:27:36.000 I discovered to what degree the medical organizations, including my own American Psychiatric Association, American Psychological Association, have been taken over.

00:27:49.000 Now, how does that happen?

00:27:51.000 You know, you were mentioning to me earlier that a lot of people think it's like a conspiracy theory to suggest that an organization like the American Academy of Pediatrics, 67,000 members, has been taken over by radical gender ideology.

00:28:08.000 How could that be?

00:28:11.000 I'll tell you exactly how that can be.

00:28:14.000 The way it happens is that you have a small number of activist doctors and they have a certain agenda that they wish to steamroll through without discussion, without debate, without hearing from rank and file members of the organization.

00:28:41.000 And they do exactly that.

00:28:43.000 So the way that these medical organizations are structured is that if, say, for example, the American Academy of Pediatrics is going to come out with a policy statement, you know, saying that sex is assigned at birth and there's people who are cisgender, there's people who are non-binary and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

00:29:03.000 How does that happen, such a policy statement?

00:29:07.000 Well, in the American Academy of Pediatrics, it actually happened because there was one person, one activist pediatrician, who wrote these guidelines in 2018.

00:29:22.000 They were the most radical, everything that you hear, everything that your kids hear, all the jargon, all the cisgender and non-binary and puberty blockers are completely reversible and we're just giving kids the time to think and these are just all normal variants.

00:29:44.000 All of that stuff was written by one pediatrician by the name of Jason Rafferty.

00:29:52.000 Jason Rafferty was a young guy, well he's still a young guy, but he was at that time, I think he was still in training to become a child psychiatrist.

00:30:03.000 He's a pediatrician and he's a child psychiatrist.

00:30:05.000 Anyway, I'm giving too many details.

00:30:07.000 He wrote this policy statement and the LGBT committee of maybe 10 or 12 individuals agreed to it.

00:30:19.000 And then the board of directors of the American Academy of Pediatrics agreed to it.

00:30:25.000 And there you go, it's published.

00:30:28.000 So what now is the, I hate to use the word normal, but standard care for, let's say, right here in Phoenix, 15-year-old gets brought in by their parents.

00:30:38.000 I see a TikTok video.

00:30:39.000 By the way, there's a 5,000% increase in transgender youth.

00:30:43.000 Is that correct?

00:30:43.000 Yeah, I have.

00:30:44.000 Do you have a slide on that, Dr. Grossman?

00:30:46.000 Yeah, as the person who is.

00:30:46.000 See, I'm seguing nicely to it.

00:30:49.000 Oh, there we go.

00:30:49.000 Does that look normal, everybody?

00:30:52.000 Okay, this is showing the 5,000% increase.

00:30:57.000 This is not a little issue, everybody.

00:30:59.000 If you have a child, they will come in contact with the social contagion.

00:31:04.000 I'm going to say something that might be controversial. 0.90

00:31:06.000 The trans virus is a greater threat to them than COVID-19 ever was. 0.99

00:31:11.000 I'm going to say that. 1.00

00:31:12.000 Would you agree with that?

00:31:17.000 That is absolutely true.

00:31:19.000 Yes.

00:31:20.000 Because COVID is not a threat to we're not getting into COVID threat.

00:31:23.000 I don't want to, but I'm just saying that that's why I tried to. 0.73

00:31:29.000 If you're a 13-year-old, I have much greater concern you are going to get under the trans ideology virus than COVID-19 birth threat. 0.93

00:31:37.000 And I can tell you, in terms of it being a what is a social contagion? 0.68

00:31:41.000 A social contagion is well known in psychology.

00:31:44.000 It's when feelings, beliefs, or behaviors spread within a friend group.

00:31:51.000 And that friend group can be a real friend group like in person, but it can also be a friend group online.

00:31:58.000 Now, I can tell you that I have patients.

00:32:00.000 I had a young woman say to me that she never experienced any discomfort.

00:32:07.000 She identified as a boy, I guess, or non-binary.

00:32:11.000 It's a nonsense term.

00:32:13.000 But whatever it was.

00:32:15.000 She didn't identify as a girl.

00:32:17.000 And she told me that she had never had unhappiness or dysphoria about her hips.

00:32:23.000 It was always her breasts and other things.

00:32:26.000 She never had any issues with her hips. 0.89

00:32:29.000 She has a friend who's also a girl identifying as a boy.

00:32:34.000 And this friend, she told me, goes on and on and on about how much she hates her hips. 1.00

00:32:39.000 Lo and behold, my patient now has dysphoria about her hips. 1.00

00:32:45.000 Okay, so these things spread.

00:32:49.000 And that's the only way that we would see something like that.

00:32:53.000 This is not an organic process of a condition spreading within a culture, within a society.

00:33:03.000 This is a contagion of kids, mostly girls, not all girls, maybe 60%, 65% of these kids are girls.

00:33:16.000 But I don't want to downplay the risk to boys.

00:33:18.000 There's a huge risk to boys as well.

00:33:21.000 But they're hearing about it.

00:33:23.000 They're hearing about it at school, online.

00:33:27.000 I don't have to tell you.

00:33:28.000 You hear me at Target?

00:33:29.000 I mean, it's everywhere.

00:33:30.000 And let's the Pittsburgh example.

00:33:33.000 Three out of 30 children in the Pittsburgh Unified School District are transgender.

00:33:33.000 What was it?

00:33:39.000 Is that correct?

00:33:40.000 So one out of 10.

00:33:41.000 Well, I think what they did is they were identifying as either, you know, as non something that their biology was not.

00:33:50.000 I mean, now there's so many options, Charlie. 0.86

00:33:52.000 You don't have to be transgender.

00:33:53.000 It's almost as if if you are not identifying as one of these things, you're missing out.

00:33:58.000 In fact, it is a badge of honor.

00:34:01.000 They go around, they say, well, I'm pansexual or I'm trans this or that.

00:34:06.000 Now, Dr. Grossman, here's where you are at your best.

00:34:09.000 You're a child psychiatrist.

00:34:11.000 Every one of these individuals have untreated, undiagnosed, or ignored underlying mental health issues that get cast aside and instead they go straight to interventions based on a majority do have comorbid psychiatric conditions.

00:34:32.000 Not every single, but a majority for sure have long-standing anxiety, depression.

00:34:39.000 They've been through trauma.

00:34:41.000 They've had family issues.

00:34:43.000 They may be on the autism spectrum, which places a child at increased risk to be attracted to this cult, let's call it, very similar to a cult.

00:34:56.000 So if your kid is on the autism spectrum, you need to know that your kid is more vulnerable to this.

00:35:04.000 There's different reasons for that.

00:35:06.000 But, Oh, so they have comorbid conditions, and what happens is they walk into the pediatrician's office, and you know, what the pediatricians do these days, as I'm sure you're aware, when your kid reaches puberty or just before, you know, they have this thing where they ask the parent to leave.

00:35:28.000 You haven't, you're no, I haven't dealt with that.

00:35:30.000 But should the parent, how should parents deal with that?

00:35:33.000 Okay.

00:35:34.000 Well, first of all, I would say you have to vet your pediatrician.

00:35:38.000 I mean, you have to find out your pediatrician's position regarding this stuff.

00:35:43.000 And if you haven't, or if your p well, if your pediatrician's position is not what it should be, then you don't want to have to use that pediatrician.

00:35:57.000 Now, some people are stuck, they're in an HMO, whatever it may be, they may not have a choice, but you can refuse to leave that room.

00:36:04.000 Because when you leave, what the pediatrician is asking, first of all, they're asking, do you have sex? 0.88

00:36:11.000 If you have sex, do you have sex with boys, girls, or both? 0.99

00:36:18.000 What is your gender identity? 0.99

00:36:21.000 Do you feel comfortable being a boy, comfortable being a girl?

00:36:24.000 And they're going in this direction of the whole gender issue.

00:36:34.000 And they may not, you know, if your child says, well, I'm going to tell you this, but I don't want you telling my mom and dad, well, they may very well not tell you about it.

00:36:47.000 So, you know, there's a wedge that is placed, and this happens at school, obviously, as well.

00:36:53.000 This is a movement that is anti-nuclear family.

00:36:59.000 And they place a wedge between parents and children at a time that the kids need their parents more than anybody else.

00:37:11.000 And so it's extremely destructive.

00:37:14.000 But I think what you were getting at, Charlie, was that when these kids are put on the assembly line and they are told that you can pick a new name and new pronouns and everyone's going to honor that and you can use the boys' restroom and you can do all these things as if you're a boy,

00:37:38.000 their mental health issues end up being pushed to the side and ignored.

00:37:46.000 And these are the very issues that in most cases are the cause of their gender confusion.

00:37:54.000 Now, Dr. Grossman, I want you to talk about watchful waiting.

00:37:58.000 You make the contention that puberty is not the problem.

00:38:02.000 Puberty is the solution.

00:38:05.000 They want to give puberty blockers to these children when your research, your experience, and also just practical knowledge and common sense is that some of these individuals might grow out of or break out of this problem.

00:38:20.000 I want you to understand how evil this is. 0.93

00:38:22.000 We are doing irreversible damage, mass sterilization for kids that are engaging in a fad, mass sterilization campaign.

00:38:32.000 When we used to have a way to handle this, Dr. Grossman, which was watchful waiting.

00:38:36.000 Let's wait a little bit.

00:38:38.000 See if they're going to grow out of it.

00:38:39.000 See if it's a friend group.

00:38:40.000 Is it a social media site?

00:38:42.000 Is it the school they're going to?

00:38:43.000 In fact, you talk in the book, sometimes parents move school districts, they move states.

00:38:48.000 They leave the country.

00:38:49.000 Leave the country.

00:38:50.000 And because, I hope you guys understand, America is now the worst on this topic in the world. 0.55

00:38:55.000 Canada, Canada.

00:38:56.000 Canada is its own. 0.92

00:38:58.000 It's like North Korea.

00:39:02.000 Yeah, it's pretty bad. 1.00

00:39:03.000 It's really bad.

00:39:05.000 Yeah.

00:39:06.000 So yeah, the point is that, you know, we've known for decades in psychiatry that there were very rare individuals whose experience of themselves is that they are in the wrong body.

00:39:21.000 And the approach was always, at least with the children, you know, let me just tell you this.

00:39:28.000 20 years ago, there were only three clinics to help families that had kids like this who were struggling.

00:39:40.000 Not three clinics in the U.S., three clinics in the entire world.

00:39:46.000 That's how rare this was.

00:39:48.000 Okay, there was this clinic in London that was closed recently.

00:39:53.000 The Tavistock Clinic closed.

00:39:56.000 A huge scandal.

00:39:58.000 There was a clinic in the Netherlands in Holland.

00:40:03.000 And there was a clinic in Toronto.

00:40:07.000 So 20 years ago, there was not even one clinic in the U.S.

00:40:12.000 The first clinic in the U.S. was in Boston in 2007.

00:40:16.000 So what was found with those kids was that if, so that's watchful waiting means that you, you know, you give the child emotional support.

00:40:29.000 You might say to the child, well, yes, you're a boy who feels like a girl, but you are still a boy.

00:40:38.000 And we're going to help you with those feelings.

00:40:40.000 And maybe we're going to allow you occasionally at home to wear a dress, to wear a princess outfit.

00:40:49.000 And you kind of help the family through those years.

00:40:54.000 And if these kids have the opportunity to go through normal puberty, the vast majority of them will outgrow this unhappiness with their bodies. 0.67

00:41:07.000 Many of them are gay and lesbian, but they no longer want to be in a different body. 0.67

00:41:12.000 But that is because they went through puberty.

00:41:16.000 Puberty is not a disorder.

00:41:18.000 It's not a disease.

00:41:21.000 It is the most important period of development that we go through, aside from development in the womb.

00:41:33.000 And so we need to go through puberty to become an adult.

00:41:37.000 Puberty is not only about changing, you know, developing secondary sex characteristics such as facial hair and lowered voice and breasts and fat redistribution.

00:41:50.000 I mean, that's part of puberty.

00:41:52.000 But a lot of what's going on in puberty, we don't see.

00:41:55.000 The brain, the brain, there's an explosion of development in the brain.

00:42:02.000 Now, could that possibly be related to the fact that when people reach young adulthood, they realize like, hey, you know what, I'm actually okay with my body.

00:42:12.000 Because they've been permitted to go through these surges of hormones, of estrogen and testosterone.

00:42:20.000 Those hormones are not just going to the sexual organs.

00:42:27.000 They're going all around the body.

00:42:29.000 They're affecting the cardiac system, the lungs, the liver, and the brain.

00:42:34.000 Okay, there's an incredible, it's a, what was that show called, in which those houses would be like re, an extreme re-over, what was it called?

00:42:47.000 Extreme makeover, right?

00:42:50.000 There's an extreme makeover of the brain during puberty.

00:42:55.000 Kids have to go through puberty.

00:42:59.000 And what we're doing is we're putting these kids on puberty sometimes as early as eight or nine years old.

00:43:07.000 Because all these organizations have come out and said that at the very first sign of puberty, which in some kids is early, we need to stop that puberty because it's the wrong puberty.

00:43:21.000 They call it the wrong puberty.

00:43:24.000 There's no wrong body.

00:43:26.000 There's no wrong puberty.

00:43:27.000 So, Dr. Grossman, I think it's important for people to understand that right now, the United Kingdom just came out and they said no more puberty blockers for children.

00:43:40.000 And we were not one to applaud the British universal health care system.

00:43:47.000 Europe is retreating from this right now.

00:43:50.000 Joe Biden and Admiral Levine have come out and they have said that child access to hormones, to cross-sex hormones, to testosterone, estrogen, Joe Biden said it's basically a sin if you do not allow children access to these pharmacological interventions.

00:44:16.000 Yes, they call it life-saving.

00:44:18.000 They call it medical care.

00:44:21.000 And I have to say, I really don't know, you know, the gig is up.

00:44:26.000 I don't know how long they can continue.

00:44:28.000 There's just too much.

00:44:29.000 Every few days, like you said, just today, there was this big news out of the United Kingdom.

00:44:35.000 The CAS report came out.

00:44:38.000 Incredibly important.

00:44:41.000 This pediatrician was assigned by the health system there to study what went on in the clinic that had to be closed down.

00:44:52.000 That's this clinic, by the way.

00:44:54.000 These numbers here are from the Tavistock Clinic.

00:44:57.000 That's one clinic.

00:44:58.000 One clinic.

00:44:59.000 Yeah.

00:45:01.000 Okay, so she took a few years and had a big team of people do this study, and she came out with her conclusions that said we have no evidence that these medical interventions in kids, and even not only medical interventions, the social, the name and pronoun thing, there's no evidence that in the long term these help.

00:45:30.000 To the contrary, the kids that are socially transitioned and they're allowed to, you know, we do the pronouns and the names and all the rest of it, they are much more likely than the peers that are not socially transitioned to go ahead with being medicalized.

00:45:47.000 So they're being put on a path toward harm. 0.87

00:45:52.000 And so then what is pushing these people?

00:45:56.000 This is not supported by the majority of Americans.

00:45:58.000 It's not rooted in science.

00:45:59.000 Yet there are committed ideologues that are insistent.

00:46:07.000 This is a cult-like religion.

00:46:10.000 This is something greater than medicine or science at play here.

00:46:14.000 Yes, it is.

00:46:16.000 There's no medicine or science that supports it.

00:46:19.000 I mean, they try to spin everything.

00:46:22.000 They're trying to spin now, you know, what is male and female and say that it's on this huge spectrum.

00:46:29.000 What's behind it?

00:46:30.000 Well, now you're getting into sort of macro question.

00:46:34.000 I generally deal mostly with the micro, which is the family, the child, what's happening in the organizations, the macro question of, you know, what is behind this?

00:46:46.000 So, you know, first of all, the money.

00:46:50.000 Let's not forget about all the money that's behind it.

00:46:53.000 So every child who's medicalized, who's put on puberty blockers, which almost always is followed by cross-sex hormones, is worth a million dollars because it's lifelong.

00:47:06.000 You're put on these cross-sex hormones, estrogen or testosterone, you have to stay on them your whole life.

00:47:14.000 So I'm told that's going to be about a million dollars per child.

00:47:19.000 And that's to say nothing of all the surgeries.

00:47:22.000 So there's a lot of money behind it.

00:47:26.000 There's also a lot of money in the fact that these people are going to be sterile.

00:47:31.000 And so when they wake up in their 20s and 30s and realize they want biological children, what are they going to do?

00:47:38.000 Surrogacy, assisted reproductive technology is just exploding.

00:47:46.000 And that's also going to be billions.

00:47:48.000 So you're creating a population of consumers of these technological interventions.

00:47:57.000 Now then there are also people who think that as humans we are going to evolve beyond humanity, humanity 2.0, and we are going to defy biology.

00:48:15.000 We are going to enter a world in which we're not limited by our biology.

00:48:24.000 Okay, we will live forever.

00:48:28.000 We can download.

00:48:29.000 There's somebody who's working at creating robots in which you download a person's all their experiences, the way that what they've been through, their beliefs, the way that they talk, the way that they act.

00:48:48.000 And he downloads it.

00:48:50.000 This is Martine Rothblatt.

00:48:53.000 This individual, he's a multi, multi, I don't know, billionaire, and he is a.

00:49:04.000 He's a transgender woman.

00:49:06.000 Yeah, he's a man who lives as a woman.

00:49:10.000 I was trying to think, by the way, here's how you always figured out. 0.61

00:49:12.000 If it's trans man, just it's fake man, trans woman, fake woman. 0.72

00:49:16.000 So you just add the word trans, just add fake, and then you go, oh, okay, got it. 0.94

00:49:19.000 Right. 0.99

00:49:24.000 But the thing is.

00:49:24.000 Maybe just a little helpful guide, because I get confused too.

00:49:28.000 He is a brilliant and very accomplished, successful, you know, biotech person, big time.

00:49:37.000 And you can go on YouTube and see a interview with this robot.

00:49:44.000 It's actually just a head, but it's his wife.

00:49:48.000 So his wife is talking to this head that sort of looks like her.

00:49:54.000 Have you seen it? 0.81

00:49:55.000 Yeah, what you're talking about here, this is the entrance into what is called transhumanism.

00:50:00.000 And there's an ideological component that comes out of the Silicon Valley godless world where they say that we can transcend nature.

00:50:10.000 And their belief is that nature is not created.

00:50:13.000 It was an accident.

00:50:14.000 So why should we not use the will of humans to be able to supersede that so that we can be like gods?

00:50:23.000 You know, it reminds me, I don't know about you, but it's the Tower of Babel, right?

00:50:26.000 That was...

00:50:27.000 I think it's Genesis 11.

00:50:28.000 I totally agree, which is Nimrod says we're going to build a city in our name.

00:50:33.000 And God doesn't like it when people do that, by the way.

00:50:36.000 God does not like it when you try to build a city in your name.

00:50:39.000 Okay, so, you know, that is a part of it.

00:50:42.000 But there's many things that are at play here.

00:50:45.000 But again, you know, I don't want to leave people in despair because I really think there's reason to feel optimistic.

00:50:52.000 I have never been as optimistic.

00:50:55.000 I mean, look, there's a huge body count, and there's just horrific stories that I have just, you know, witnessed myself and heard myself.

00:51:05.000 My book, by the way, is dedicated to the parents that have been through this.

00:51:10.000 You'll see in the beginning I have their names.

00:51:14.000 But I do want to leave on a positive note.

00:51:18.000 Yes, so we have a little bit, we have time for two parts.

00:51:20.000 I want to end on the verse, but first, Doctor, I want to get into the super micro for marching orders.

00:51:27.000 How can parents, you know, inoculate themselves from this?

00:51:33.000 And then part B, what to do.

00:51:36.000 Fire alarm.

00:51:38.000 Niece, nephew, your daughter, what happens if they come home and they say those words, mommy, I am actually a boy.

00:51:47.000 Okay.

00:51:47.000 So a good part of my book is about this, but I will tell you that there's a lot you can do to inoculate your family against this.

00:51:58.000 And you want to start as early as possible.

00:52:01.000 If you have teenagers, you can still, obviously, you're going to want to do this as well.

00:52:06.000 But if you have younger children, you want them to understand that they were a boy or a girl from the very first moment that they were created on this earth.

00:52:24.000 And you want them to hear that a lot so that when they do eventually hear that phrase, sex assigned at birth, your kid is going to go like, huh?

00:52:36.000 That's not true.

00:52:38.000 Sex is not assigned at birth at all.

00:52:41.000 So they begin to be able to recognize the lies and the indoctrination.

00:52:46.000 The other thing, other things that you can do to even young children is to remind them that it's wonderful to be a boy or a girl, and there's also many ways of being a boy or a girl.

00:53:01.000 There isn't just one way of being a girl.

00:53:04.000 And there are girls that are more what we would call masculine or whatever.

00:53:10.000 That's personality.

00:53:12.000 And we want our girls and boys to know that they don't have to fit into this box.

00:53:18.000 Oh, you don't like, you know, you don't like sports.

00:53:21.000 Oh, you're into fashion or, I don't know, cooking or whatever it may be.

00:53:28.000 Oh, maybe you're not a boy.

00:53:30.000 This is what kids are hearing now.

00:53:33.000 So you want early on to tell kids that there's many different ways of being a girl or a boy, and that the way that they are is 100% fine.

00:53:47.000 And they shouldn't believe what anyone says.

00:53:54.000 Now, you want your kids, and this is not only true for gender, but for many other subjects, obviously, to be aware that, unfortunately, there's a lot of stuff out there in the world, including maybe in their classroom, that they can't 100% accept.

00:54:13.000 They have to come home.

00:54:14.000 Home has to be the basis for their information.

00:54:24.000 And that doesn't mean you need to have all the answers, because none of us have all the answers.

00:54:29.000 What you do need to be able to say to your kid is, you know what?

00:54:33.000 That is a great question.

00:54:36.000 I don't know the answer right now, but boy, I'm going to go find it for you.

00:54:42.000 And then you go and do your research.

00:54:44.000 You don't have to know all the answers.

00:54:47.000 And also, it's okay to feel a little bit awkward and embarrassed.

00:54:51.000 That's fine.

00:54:53.000 You just can you can acknowledge it.

00:54:55.000 Like, whoa, you know, we've never talked about these things, but I'm so glad you're bringing it up.

00:55:01.000 I mean, someone, you know, one of your kids may come home tomorrow and say, you know what?

00:55:08.000 In school in my class, there's this girl.

00:55:11.000 I've known her for years.

00:55:13.000 We're now supposed to call her by a boy's name.

00:55:16.000 We're supposed to use he, him pronouns. 0.92

00:55:18.000 He's going to be using the boy's bathroom. 0.98

00:55:21.000 Like, whoa, what is this all about?

00:55:24.000 I'm finding that you want to be able to talk to your child about it.

00:55:30.000 And you want to have conversations, even if it's not them coming home, God forbid, and saying, mom, dad, I'm no longer your daughter.

00:55:38.000 I'm your son.

00:55:40.000 You want to have, you want to be educated so that you have the information.

00:55:44.000 But for that first conversation, you want to be curious.

00:55:51.000 Oh, tell me more.

00:55:54.000 I want to learn more.

00:55:55.000 What exactly happened?

00:55:57.000 What exactly are you thinking?

00:56:00.000 Where did you hear about this?

00:56:02.000 And you want to be loving and not necessarily loving in a way that's accepting, oh, I'm going to immediately call you by a new name and new pronouns.

00:56:14.000 No.

00:56:15.000 In fact, you're not going to do that right now because this is a really big deal.

00:56:15.000 No.

00:56:26.000 You understand that this is what they want right now, but you're not going to give them, just like in many other ways, you don't give them everything they want.

00:56:37.000 This is another area that, you know, your father and I, your mom and I, we need to do a lot of research.

00:56:45.000 And we're going to become experts.

00:56:48.000 We're going to end up knowing so much about this subject, but right now, it's just a time to have conversations.

00:56:57.000 You may not like what I have to say about this, but it's possible in a family to have disagreements about big things and to remain loving and supportive, even with those disagreements.

00:57:15.000 I mean, look, you can say, my sister's a big Democrat. 1.00

00:57:20.000 I'm a Trump person.

00:57:22.000 We're still friends.

00:57:29.000 I wasn't talking about my own family.

00:57:32.000 Doctor, you also say don't freak out in that first conversation.

00:57:35.000 Do not freak out.

00:57:36.000 You can freak out later, scream into the pillow.

00:57:39.000 Right.

00:57:40.000 You can freak out later.

00:57:43.000 You want to try and to stay calm and curious.

00:57:48.000 You can always freak out later, but just not around your kid, because that first conversation is important.

00:57:55.000 Your child is nervous coming to you with that conversation.

00:58:00.000 And your child is curious about how you're going to respond.

00:58:03.000 And your child has been told that if your parent doesn't accept you, that means your parent doesn't love you.

00:58:12.000 That's right.

00:58:12.000 And they've been told that by teachers, guidance counselors, TikTok friends, community.

00:58:17.000 So they're going in bracing for impact to just rebel away.

00:58:22.000 And if you live in California watching online, they can just basically leave the home at age 12 now.

00:58:28.000 That's not an exaggeration.

00:58:29.000 They have transgender refugee camps.

00:58:32.000 Am I right, Dr. Grossman?

00:58:34.000 They are building halfway homes, basically.

00:58:37.000 Well, that's what their frame does, which is that if you believe that your parents are not accepting what you say that you are, they have places where these 12, 13, and 14-year-olds.

00:58:47.000 From out of state.

00:58:48.000 Yes, yes.

00:58:49.000 Then they can go leave the state and get surgical interventions.

00:58:53.000 It's a very dark time that we're living in.

00:58:57.000 It's a dangerous time, but there is so much that you can do.

00:59:00.000 And you want to, look, no relationship is perfect, but you want, parents have to walk this tightrope if they have a child who's made this announcement.

00:59:13.000 And they want, the tightrope is: I'm loving you, I'm supportive of you, you're everything to me, but I'm not letting go of reality.

00:59:24.000 That's the tightrope that you walk.

00:59:28.000 Would you like to go to the verse as we conclude?

00:59:30.000 Okay.

00:59:31.000 So, okay.

00:59:33.000 So, the way that I want to conclude is on a positive note.

00:59:36.000 And I'm sincere here.

00:59:38.000 I'm not just making this out.

00:59:39.000 I really am optimistic.

00:59:41.000 But the reason why we know that this is going to end okay is because we know that in the end, truth prevails.

00:59:57.000 Is that what you want?

00:59:59.000 Yeah.

00:59:59.000 And if you want to stand up and chant it, oh, okay, yeah.

01:00:02.000 So we have this line from Proverbs, and I gave you the Hebrew there.

01:00:13.000 And it basically says that truth is forever, and lies are momentary.

01:00:25.000 Okay, lies can't live forever.

01:00:29.000 And now I want to give you a little Hebrew lesson.

01:00:34.000 And the lesson is, not yet, the lesson is about the Hebrew words for truth and falsehood.

01:00:44.000 So now, next slide.

01:00:47.000 Okay.

01:00:48.000 So over here is the word for truth, falsehood.

01:00:56.000 Now, we are told in the Talmud, which was written at least 1,500 years ago, that there's a message in these letters, for these words.

01:01:11.000 Now, these letters in Hebrew, there's three letters here, and they all are standing firm on the ground.

01:01:24.000 They either have this two feet that are standing firm or this strong base, and they're all sitting firmly on the ground.

01:01:37.000 Whereas this word, this is the word sheker, which means falsehood in Hebrew. 0.61

01:01:46.000 Look at those three letters.

01:01:48.000 They are precarious.

01:01:51.000 They're just kind of, they have either one foot that they're standing on or they have this sort of vertex angle.

01:02:02.000 And this teaches us that falsehood, she cannot live long because it doesn't have a basis to it.

01:02:13.000 It's not standing on firm ground. 0.93

01:02:24.000 And so what I explain throughout my book, and I have this in the book as well, is that the whole ideology, this belief system of gender, is all based on falsehood, on Sheker. 0.87

01:02:40.000 It's like John Money's theory. 0.75

01:02:42.000 It doesn't hold water.

01:02:45.000 It doesn't have a firm basis because it is lies.

01:02:50.000 And we have one lie after the next that has brought us to where we are right now.

01:02:56.000 But trust me, I promise you, the ending of all this is coming.

01:03:03.000 It's going to take some more time, but it's on its way.

01:03:08.000 So do not lose hope.

01:03:12.000 Thank you.

01:03:14.000 And I'll stand with you here.

01:03:17.000 And in the end, truth will win.

01:03:18.000 I just want to say, Dr. Grossman, your work in the trenches, I hope you all understand they attack Dr. Grossman every single day because doctors that speak out, they target.

01:03:29.000 She's been in the room with these parents.

01:03:31.000 She's been in the room with these children.

01:03:33.000 And my prayer is that we'll have hundreds and thousands of doctors as courageous as Dr. Grossman that will stand up and speak out.

01:03:43.000 God bless you, Dr. Grossman.

01:03:45.000 Thank you so much, everybody.

01:03:46.000 We'll see you in a couple weeks.

01:03:48.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:03:49.000 Email us as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.

01:03:52.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

01:03:56.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - April 14, 2024

A Parent's Guide For Escaping the Trans Delusion

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